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Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.12.08 08:15:00 - [31] The re-inforced armor plates, and the cap flux's are a complete waste. You also may want to consider dropping one of those cap rechargers for a scrambler, since they can just warp away otherwise. Other than that, having more nos would help break the tanks, or perhaps having a couple siege launchers will help you vary your damage type when necessary. But 1v1 there isn't much that can kill a heavily tanked apoc before he logs out because CCP is too **ing * to make people stay in space when warp scrambled.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.12.08 08:15:00 - [32] The re-inforced armor plates, and the cap flux's are a complete waste. You also may want to consider dropping one of those cap rechargers for a scrambler, since they can just warp away otherwise. Other than that, having more nos would help break the tanks, or perhaps having a couple siege launchers will help you vary your damage type when necessary. But 1v1 there isn't much that can kill a heavily tanked apoc before he logs out because CCP is too **ing * to make people stay in space when warp scrambled.
Nakir	Posted - 2004.12.08 10:19:00 - [33] In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven.
Nakir	Posted - 2004.12.08 10:19:00 - [34] In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven.
Tiwaz	Posted - 2004.12.08 10:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. agreed There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
Tiwaz	Posted - 2004.12.08 10:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. agreed There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
Synaig0	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:07:00 - [37] damn nice setup Makes me wanna get a mega myself --------------------- I'm the guy with the sleepy look...
Synaig0	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:07:00 - [38] damn nice setup Makes me wanna get a mega myself --------------------- I'm the guy with the sleepy look...
KingsGambit	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:17:00 - [39] The trick to beating a tanked Apoc, which many might miss in their quest to simply try and do damage faster than he/she can repair, is it's cap. Every module on an Apoc is for the most part cap hungry. An Apoc without cap is a sitting duck. Most Apoc pilots will have enough cap recharge to maintain an offense and defense for a very long time, while the Megathron only has a limited time before it's cap runs out. It's the staying power that wins in the end. You want to kill an Apoc, you take away it's cap, hit it where it hurts the most. The Raven is trickier, as it's main offensive weapons will continue to function after it's cap is dry, and can fire FoFs if you jam it. Forcing it to use it's shield booster by piling on the damage is a good idea, so it'll drain it's own cap (it won't run indefinitely like the Apoc will)...but nossing the heck out of it should speed things up a bit, whilst letting you maintain your defenses for longer. Bugs aside, a defender launcher, or maybe a smartbomb to defend against raven's barrage might slow down your cap use (be wary of drones ). Might be worth trying to fit a damage mod or two if you can as well, no point in doing it half hearted. ------------- BYOC Crow Interceptor Deals
KingsGambit	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:17:00 - [40] The trick to beating a tanked Apoc, which many might miss in their quest to simply try and do damage faster than he/she can repair, is it's cap. Every module on an Apoc is for the most part cap hungry. An Apoc without cap is a sitting duck. Most Apoc pilots will have enough cap recharge to maintain an offense and defense for a very long time, while the Megathron only has a limited time before it's cap runs out. It's the staying power that wins in the end. You want to kill an Apoc, you take away it's cap, hit it where it hurts the most. The Raven is trickier, as it's main offensive weapons will continue to function after it's cap is dry, and can fire FoFs if you jam it. Forcing it to use it's shield booster by piling on the damage is a good idea, so it'll drain it's own cap (it won't run indefinitely like the Apoc will)...but nossing the heck out of it should speed things up a bit, whilst letting you maintain your defenses for longer. Bugs aside, a defender launcher, or maybe a smartbomb to defend against raven's barrage might slow down your cap use (be wary of drones ). Might be worth trying to fit a damage mod or two if you can as well, no point in doing it half hearted. ------------- BYOC Crow Interceptor Deals
siim	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:32:00 - [41] Well KING the setup or trick u sayd to take down a Raven is not right Most Raven pilots use 2 heavy nosses ! So when the Blasterthron Approaches it has already been hit by few vollies of Torps and is on its half way armor! When the Blasterthron is under 21km the Raven starts nossing the Blasterthron and eating its cap so in a very short time the megathron dies A good idea how the Megathron would beat a raven 1v1 would be long range Good Luck Zavier ! be aware of the ravens
siim	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:32:00 - [42] Well KING the setup or trick u sayd to take down a Raven is not right Most Raven pilots use 2 heavy nosses ! So when the Blasterthron Approaches it has already been hit by few vollies of Torps and is on its half way armor! When the Blasterthron is under 21km the Raven starts nossing the Blasterthron and eating its cap so in a very short time the megathron dies A good idea how the Megathron would beat a raven 1v1 would be long range Good Luck Zavier ! be aware of the ravens
qrac	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:57:00 - [43] the best setup vs ravens and apocs is blasters, mwd, cap charger (800's), webber and lots of dmg mods. blasters+mwd+web will mean the apoc can't hit u. blasters+dmg mods means the raven can't tank u except if he has commander/officer loot. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
qrac	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:57:00 - [44] the best setup vs ravens and apocs is blasters, mwd, cap charger (800's), webber and lots of dmg mods. blasters+mwd+web will mean the apoc can't hit u. blasters+dmg mods means the raven can't tank u except if he has commander/officer loot. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
qrac	Posted - 2004.12.08 12:00:00 - [45] Edited by: qrac on 08/12/2004 12:39:36 Edited by: qrac on 08/12/2004 12:20:40 Originally by: siim Well KING the setup or trick u sayd to take down a Raven is not right Most Raven pilots use 2 heavy nosses ! So when the Blasterthron Approaches it has already been hit by few vollies of Torps and is on its half way armor! When the Blasterthron is under 21km the Raven starts nossing the Blasterthron and eating its cap so in a very short time the megathron dies A good idea how the Megathron would beat a raven 1v1 would be long range Good Luck Zavier ! be aware of the ravens let's say the raven and the blasterthron end up at 25 km from each other. the first volley will hit the blasterthron when it's just outside its range. the 2nd volley will hit the thron after the thron has started pounding the raven. i don't think the raven can hold out against a blasterthron if the fight starts from 25km and under. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
qrac	Posted - 2004.12.08 12:00:00 - [46] Edited by: qrac on 08/12/2004 12:39:36 Edited by: qrac on 08/12/2004 12:20:40 Originally by: siim Well KING the setup or trick u sayd to take down a Raven is not right Most Raven pilots use 2 heavy nosses ! So when the Blasterthron Approaches it has already been hit by few vollies of Torps and is on its half way armor! When the Blasterthron is under 21km the Raven starts nossing the Blasterthron and eating its cap so in a very short time the megathron dies A good idea how the Megathron would beat a raven 1v1 would be long range Good Luck Zavier ! be aware of the ravens let's say the raven and the blasterthron end up at 25 km from each other. the first volley will hit the blasterthron when it's just outside its range. the 2nd volley will hit the thron after the thron has started pounding the raven. i don't think the raven can hold out against a blasterthron if the fight starts from 25km and under. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
YuuKnow	Posted - 2004.12.08 13:55:00 - [47] Edited by: YuuKnow on 08/12/2004 14:00:25 Never flown a Mega, but I've flown a Raven for about 3 months and lost about 20 of them on test server, so have a pretty good idea of what can beat it. For a raven, try switching your vampires for 1 or 2 smartbombs and then switch the rolled plates with a Large Accomadation or med tech II. Only 1 armour repairer can never keep up with all the torp and cruise missle damage a Raven can dish out, especially at Caldari Bship Level 4 and with 2 Ballistic controls.You might be in cap trouble though if you relied on the Nosferataus for cap (but I doubt it; if so try upgrading your cap rechargers to cap recharger II's and your cap relays to cap relay IIs.....if you can find them anywhere!!.) Can't help ya against a Apoc. That thing is a beast!! Even with 2 vamps I doubt you'll ever drain his cap fast enough if he has good skills. Maybe ditch the vamps so you could fit more Neutron blasters to try to do more damage??
YuuKnow	Posted - 2004.12.08 13:55:00 - [48] Edited by: YuuKnow on 08/12/2004 14:00:25 Never flown a Mega, but I've flown a Raven for about 3 months and lost about 20 of them on test server, so have a pretty good idea of what can beat it. For a raven, try switching your vampires for 1 or 2 smartbombs and then switch the rolled plates with a Large Accomadation or med tech II. Only 1 armour repairer can never keep up with all the torp and cruise missle damage a Raven can dish out, especially at Caldari Bship Level 4 and with 2 Ballistic controls.You might be in cap trouble though if you relied on the Nosferataus for cap (but I doubt it; if so try upgrading your cap rechargers to cap recharger II's and your cap relays to cap relay IIs.....if you can find them anywhere!!.) Can't help ya against a Apoc. That thing is a beast!! Even with 2 vamps I doubt you'll ever drain his cap fast enough if he has good skills. Maybe ditch the vamps so you could fit more Neutron blasters to try to do more damage??
NajZero	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:07:00 - [49] The strategy on a Blasterthron is very simple. On sight, get close to the enemy, scramble and web him, put all guns on him, and stay there until your cap is gone. Normally your Target has been destroyed, otherwhise youre dead. There is no other situation. Kill him as fast as you got cap or he will kill you!
NajZero	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:07:00 - [50] The strategy on a Blasterthron is very simple. On sight, get close to the enemy, scramble and web him, put all guns on him, and stay there until your cap is gone. Normally your Target has been destroyed, otherwhise youre dead. There is no other situation. Kill him as fast as you got cap or he will kill you!
Captin Zoom	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:11:00 - [51] Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. Zoom want Nakirs Megathron that has 21882 in Powergrid or even the lowest powergrid example that has 20801. And wonders if Tiwaz or Synaig0 also has that ship since they think itÆs a nice setup Powergrid Req on the right do the maths 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II2100x7=14700 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb2000/1000 1 MWD1250 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges1750 1 Scrambler1 1 Web1 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer2000 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II175 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay)3/2 2 x Magnetic Vortex II2 Me and the rest of the megatron pilots on the other hand only have a powergrid of 19375 if we dont use Power Diag or Reactor Control Units so we have to use a different setup. High: 1 Modal Mega Neutron, 6 Modal Mega Electrons. The rest is basically the same as Nakirs setup.
Captin Zoom	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. Zoom want Nakirs Megathron that has 21882 in Powergrid or even the lowest powergrid example that has 20801. And wonders if Tiwaz or Synaig0 also has that ship since they think itÆs a nice setup Powergrid Req on the right do the maths 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II2100x7=14700 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb2000/1000 1 MWD1250 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges1750 1 Scrambler1 1 Web1 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer2000 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II175 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay)3/2 2 x Magnetic Vortex II2 Me and the rest of the megatron pilots on the other hand only have a powergrid of 19375 if we dont use Power Diag or Reactor Control Units so we have to use a different setup. High: 1 Modal Mega Neutron, 6 Modal Mega Electrons. The rest is basically the same as Nakirs setup.
Thanit	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:19:00 - [53] 7x blasters of any mix that fits your grid 1x heavy NOS or something that does damage, NO smartbomb ! 1x mwd 1x scrambler 1x web 1x heavy injector 1x large repairer 2x 1600mm plate 3x damage mod 1x rcu II if needed or nano membrane II if not. 9 heavies. Don't worry about cap to repair too much, just gank the hell outta that ship with your uber damage and try and live long enough with your uber armor Nah, silly setup I've never tried actually, but it could work anyway.
Thanit	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:19:00 - [54] 7x blasters of any mix that fits your grid 1x heavy NOS or something that does damage, NO smartbomb ! 1x mwd 1x scrambler 1x web 1x heavy injector 1x large repairer 2x 1600mm plate 3x damage mod 1x rcu II if needed or nano membrane II if not. 9 heavies. Don't worry about cap to repair too much, just gank the hell outta that ship with your uber damage and try and live long enough with your uber armor Nah, silly setup I've never tried actually, but it could work anyway.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.08 17:42:00 - [55] NajZero got it to the point: It's live by the sword and die by the sword. About a setup, try to use a mix of 7 Electron/Ion Blasters, Cap Injector, Mwd, Web, Scrambler, 1 Large Accommodation, 1 Medium Armor Rep II, 3 Hardeners, 2 Magnetic stabs II
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.08 17:42:00 - [56] NajZero got it to the point: It's live by the sword and die by the sword. About a setup, try to use a mix of 7 Electron/Ion Blasters, Cap Injector, Mwd, Web, Scrambler, 1 Large Accommodation, 1 Medium Armor Rep II, 3 Hardeners, 2 Magnetic stabs II
flummox	Posted - 2004.12.08 19:08:00 - [57] What's wrong with the RailaThron ?? i don't understand why you would want to waste 30+ km trying to close range when you can get a few more volleys in the time it takes to close range to use blasters. but, i suck. so, maybe i don't understand... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
flummox	Posted - 2004.12.08 19:08:00 - [58] What's wrong with the RailaThron ?? i don't understand why you would want to waste 30+ km trying to close range when you can get a few more volleys in the time it takes to close range to use blasters. but, i suck. so, maybe i don't understand... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.12.08 19:28:00 - [59] Originally by: flummox What's wrong with the RailaThron ?? i don't understand why you would want to waste 30+ km trying to close range when you can get a few more volleys in the time it takes to close range to use blasters. but, i suck. so, maybe i don't understand... nothing... it's just that a blasterthron dishes more damage faster ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.12.08 19:28:00 - [60] Originally by: flummox What's wrong with the RailaThron ?? i don't understand why you would want to waste 30+ km trying to close range when you can get a few more volleys in the time it takes to close range to use blasters. but, i suck. so, maybe i don't understand... nothing... it's just that a blasterthron dishes more damage faster ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage

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