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Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:40:00 - [1] I have been using blasters on my Thron for a while now for missions and pvp. However whenever I take on a Raven or Apoc either the Damage I do isnt enough or they slowly overcome my tank. My current Setup: High Slots - 3 x Large Regulated Ions - 3 x Large Limited Ions - 2 x Named Nosferataus (24kms range) Med Slots - 1 x Named Web - 1 x MWD - 2 x 16% Cap rechargers Low Slots - 1 x Large Inefficient Armour repairer( 660 HP per 13.5 sec cycle) - Named Thermal, Kinetic and Explosive Hardeners. - 1 x Tungsten Rolled Plates - 2 x Named Cap Fluxes (20% cap recharge,- 10% Sheild boost). nb Uses 8 ogres My Tactics are to mwd to about 10kms web them and start firing and nossing. I can pretty much keep the guns and armour repairer going solid as well as the hardeners if they dont Nos me.If they make the proposed changes to Afterburners so they give a 200% speed boost then I would swap that for the MWD and mebbe put some neutrons on. Any tips on breaking Through the sheild and armour tanks of those smelly caldari and the cap horders of amarr would be fully appreciated.
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:40:00 - [2] I have been using blasters on my Thron for a while now for missions and pvp. However whenever I take on a Raven or Apoc either the Damage I do isnt enough or they slowly overcome my tank. My current Setup: High Slots - 3 x Large Regulated Ions - 3 x Large Limited Ions - 2 x Named Nosferataus (24kms range) Med Slots - 1 x Named Web - 1 x MWD - 2 x 16% Cap rechargers Low Slots - 1 x Large Inefficient Armour repairer( 660 HP per 13.5 sec cycle) - Named Thermal, Kinetic and Explosive Hardeners. - 1 x Tungsten Rolled Plates - 2 x Named Cap Fluxes (20% cap recharge,- 10% Sheild boost). nb Uses 8 ogres My Tactics are to mwd to about 10kms web them and start firing and nossing. I can pretty much keep the guns and armour repairer going solid as well as the hardeners if they dont Nos me.If they make the proposed changes to Afterburners so they give a 200% speed boost then I would swap that for the MWD and mebbe put some neutrons on. Any tips on breaking Through the sheild and armour tanks of those smelly caldari and the cap horders of amarr would be fully appreciated.
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:44:00 - [3] Use two accos or commander/faction stuff.
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:44:00 - [4] Use two accos or commander/faction stuff.
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:45:00 - [5] 2 Accoms and I cant fit jack. It's not an apoc ^^
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:45:00 - [6] 2 Accoms and I cant fit jack. It's not an apoc ^^
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:47:00 - [7] Well, sounds lik you got a nice setup, but the cap fluxes arent what subtract shield boosting, those are cap power relays u must be talking about. As for beating the tanks, Im sure you can take on Amarr ships being VERY close to them, getting under their turret range to where they cant hit you. Caldari is another story, I say just keep nossing them and hope for the best. One setup suggestion though, instead of cap rechargers, why dont you somehow find a way to fit a Heavy Named Cap Booster, and use some Cap Boost charges, I hear they work wonders on Blasterthrons. Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is.
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:47:00 - [8] Well, sounds lik you got a nice setup, but the cap fluxes arent what subtract shield boosting, those are cap power relays u must be talking about. As for beating the tanks, Im sure you can take on Amarr ships being VERY close to them, getting under their turret range to where they cant hit you. Caldari is another story, I say just keep nossing them and hope for the best. One setup suggestion though, instead of cap rechargers, why dont you somehow find a way to fit a Heavy Named Cap Booster, and use some Cap Boost charges, I hear they work wonders on Blasterthrons. Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is.
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:48:00 - [9] Also remember, I am not sure how old you are ingame, but remember, skills make or break your setup, make sure you have at LEAST engineering lvl 5 and electronics lvl 5. And some good cap skills would be cool. Also train up your mechanic skills for better tanking. Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is.
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:48:00 - [10] Also remember, I am not sure how old you are ingame, but remember, skills make or break your setup, make sure you have at LEAST engineering lvl 5 and electronics lvl 5. And some good cap skills would be cool. Also train up your mechanic skills for better tanking. Vin Diesel claims he has never hailed a taxi. He just runs up to them at stop lights, opens the door, shoves the current passenger over, and tells the cab driver what his new destination is.
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Zavier Sozeron 2 Accoms and I cant fit jack. It's not an apoc ^^ Nah, your skills just suck 4ss. ^^
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Zavier Sozeron 2 Accoms and I cant fit jack. It's not an apoc ^^ Nah, your skills just suck 4ss. ^^
Synaig0	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:51:00 - [13] Edited by: Synaig0 on 07/12/2004 16:55:31 note I do NOT fly a megathron but do have extensive experience with rax/brutix Ok.. I personally would ditch the cap stuff in low, drop the ions for electrons, get a cap injector for cap support(u just reduced pg use by dropping to electrons) and get 2 t2 damage mods in there giving u a nice fat damage bonus of 38% on top of the electrons. Also modal electrons are no where near as expensive as the higher class named (ions/neutrons) and should bring your total damage output up by a lot.. I really cant stress the damage mod enough.. the dot (damage over time) difference between electrons and ions is only 6.66% while a single t2 damage mod gives u 23% and the 2nd 15% on top of that. Now I have no id if the megathron can support this with its cpu, but this is just some stuff I learned flying the other blasterboats. --------------------- I'm the guy with the sleepy look...
Synaig0	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:51:00 - [14] Edited by: Synaig0 on 07/12/2004 16:55:31 note I do NOT fly a megathron but do have extensive experience with rax/brutix Ok.. I personally would ditch the cap stuff in low, drop the ions for electrons, get a cap injector for cap support(u just reduced pg use by dropping to electrons) and get 2 t2 damage mods in there giving u a nice fat damage bonus of 38% on top of the electrons. Also modal electrons are no where near as expensive as the higher class named (ions/neutrons) and should bring your total damage output up by a lot.. I really cant stress the damage mod enough.. the dot (damage over time) difference between electrons and ions is only 6.66% while a single t2 damage mod gives u 23% and the 2nd 15% on top of that. Now I have no id if the megathron can support this with its cpu, but this is just some stuff I learned flying the other blasterboats. --------------------- I'm the guy with the sleepy look...
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:52:00 - [15] Edited by: Zavier Sozeron on 07/12/2004 16:57:27 The thing is Cap isnt my problem, I can go on pretty much indefinitely with guns + armour repairer + nos. The real problem is punching through the tanks of other bs. nb late post :)
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2004.12.07 16:52:00 - [16] Edited by: Zavier Sozeron on 07/12/2004 16:57:27 The thing is Cap isnt my problem, I can go on pretty much indefinitely with guns + armour repairer + nos. The real problem is punching through the tanks of other bs. nb late post :)
siim	Posted - 2004.12.07 17:04:00 - [17] Hey m8 if u cant punch through A Ravens shield or Apoc's armor ! Then u dont deserve a blasterthron m8. Easy as that Use a rax or Brutix until u have better skills dude
siim	Posted - 2004.12.07 17:04:00 - [18] Hey m8 if u cant punch through A Ravens shield or Apoc's armor ! Then u dont deserve a blasterthron m8. Easy as that Use a rax or Brutix until u have better skills dude
Abomination	Posted - 2004.12.07 17:15:00 - [19] remove the tungsten plate and fit something that increases your res's, cap, or dmg. Armor plates just make you go slower, and they use valuable grid.
Abomination	Posted - 2004.12.07 17:15:00 - [20] remove the tungsten plate and fit something that increases your res's, cap, or dmg. Armor plates just make you go slower, and they use valuable grid.
Medreena	Posted - 2004.12.07 18:44:00 - [21] Originally by: siim Hey m8 if u cant punch through A Ravens shield or Apoc's armor ! Then u dont deserve a blasterthron m8. Easy as that Use a rax or Brutix until u have better skills dude Wrong, The Raven is one of the hardest tanked ships out there, along with the amarr ships, the problem being that the megathron does kinetic and thermal damage primarly and this (on a correctly setup raven) are the 2 strongest defences. Now even if u manage to get in close with your blasterthron, u most likley sufferd thousands of hit points of damage before you got into your optimal ranges, and the mwd usage to get that far most likley cost a good portion of your cap. Now all the raven pilot has to do is sit there watch this and choose the best torpedo for the job to finish you off. BTW I Fly an Apoc but own a Raven and Megathron also. Skilpoints 13 mil so dont call me a noob Good luck for a raven beating setup. Med The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is for Good Men to Do Nothing...
Medreena	Posted - 2004.12.07 18:44:00 - [22] Originally by: siim Hey m8 if u cant punch through A Ravens shield or Apoc's armor ! Then u dont deserve a blasterthron m8. Easy as that Use a rax or Brutix until u have better skills dude Wrong, The Raven is one of the hardest tanked ships out there, along with the amarr ships, the problem being that the megathron does kinetic and thermal damage primarly and this (on a correctly setup raven) are the 2 strongest defences. Now even if u manage to get in close with your blasterthron, u most likley sufferd thousands of hit points of damage before you got into your optimal ranges, and the mwd usage to get that far most likley cost a good portion of your cap. Now all the raven pilot has to do is sit there watch this and choose the best torpedo for the job to finish you off. BTW I Fly an Apoc but own a Raven and Megathron also. Skilpoints 13 mil so dont call me a noob Good luck for a raven beating setup. Med The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is for Good Men to Do Nothing...
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2004.12.07 20:53:00 - [23] I'll try the named electron fit. Sounds like more damage Time to "go beserk"
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2004.12.07 20:53:00 - [24] I'll try the named electron fit. Sounds like more damage Time to "go beserk"
Thanit	Posted - 2004.12.07 22:14:00 - [25] Edited by: Thanit on 07/12/2004 22:19:11 well, 1v1 there's really little but going blasterthron. For engagements in which you have support however going gankathron is a good option since it works well in larger fights as well. A nice but risky setup for a gankathron is the following: 7x 425mm carbide or better 1x nothing or assault with defenders/lights 1x mwd 2x dampener 1x cap recharger II 1x med repairer II 1x 1600mm plate 4x damage mod 1x RCUII Fits well enough, does awesome damage against battleships at nearly all ranges (down to 5km even and up to 50 with AM). MWD is for travel mainly, can be shut down at battle. Only downside: cap recharge is lowish, cant withstand much fire. Damage is good enough to take down a well tanked Raven pretty damn fast. Get a range of 30 km at least and the two dampeners will more or less guarantee the other guy cant lock you. Fof remain, but as wen know damage is much less with those.
Thanit	Posted - 2004.12.07 22:14:00 - [26] Edited by: Thanit on 07/12/2004 22:19:11 well, 1v1 there's really little but going blasterthron. For engagements in which you have support however going gankathron is a good option since it works well in larger fights as well. A nice but risky setup for a gankathron is the following: 7x 425mm carbide or better 1x nothing or assault with defenders/lights 1x mwd 2x dampener 1x cap recharger II 1x med repairer II 1x 1600mm plate 4x damage mod 1x RCUII Fits well enough, does awesome damage against battleships at nearly all ranges (down to 5km even and up to 50 with AM). MWD is for travel mainly, can be shut down at battle. Only downside: cap recharge is lowish, cant withstand much fire. Damage is good enough to take down a well tanked Raven pretty damn fast. Get a range of 30 km at least and the two dampeners will more or less guarantee the other guy cant lock you. Fof remain, but as wen know damage is much less with those.
Renox	Posted - 2004.12.08 00:14:00 - [27] try dropping some of the tanking stuff and add a few dam mods (2 or 3) " While Celestial Apoc is filled with smack talking, safespot hugging, gate cudling, empire war exploiting
Renox	Posted - 2004.12.08 00:14:00 - [28] try dropping some of the tanking stuff and add a few dam mods (2 or 3) " While Celestial Apoc is filled with smack talking, safespot hugging, gate cudling, empire war exploiting
Araviel	Posted - 2004.12.08 06:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Medreena Originally by: siim Hey m8 if u cant punch through A Ravens shield or Apoc's armor ! Then u dont deserve a blasterthron m8. Easy as that Use a rax or Brutix until u have better skills dude Wrong, The Raven is one of the hardest tanked ships out there, along with the amarr ships, the problem being that the megathron does kinetic and thermal damage primarly and this (on a correctly setup raven) are the 2 strongest defences. Now even if u manage to get in close with your blasterthron, u most likley sufferd thousands of hit points of damage before you got into your optimal ranges, and the mwd usage to get that far most likley cost a good portion of your cap. Now all the raven pilot has to do is sit there watch this and choose the best torpedo for the job to finish you off. BTW I Fly an Apoc but own a Raven and Megathron also. Skilpoints 13 mil so dont call me a noob Good luck for a raven beating setup. Med yup, i have killed every type of BS's in the game solo whit my mega except the raven. so pick your fights and stay away from the ravens unless the pilot is a rookie or short on skills EPIC Recruitment post
Araviel	Posted - 2004.12.08 06:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Medreena Originally by: siim Hey m8 if u cant punch through A Ravens shield or Apoc's armor ! Then u dont deserve a blasterthron m8. Easy as that Use a rax or Brutix until u have better skills dude Wrong, The Raven is one of the hardest tanked ships out there, along with the amarr ships, the problem being that the megathron does kinetic and thermal damage primarly and this (on a correctly setup raven) are the 2 strongest defences. Now even if u manage to get in close with your blasterthron, u most likley sufferd thousands of hit points of damage before you got into your optimal ranges, and the mwd usage to get that far most likley cost a good portion of your cap. Now all the raven pilot has to do is sit there watch this and choose the best torpedo for the job to finish you off. BTW I Fly an Apoc but own a Raven and Megathron also. Skilpoints 13 mil so dont call me a noob Good luck for a raven beating setup. Med yup, i have killed every type of BS's in the game solo whit my mega except the raven. so pick your fights and stay away from the ravens unless the pilot is a rookie or short on skills EPIC Recruitment post
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.12.08 08:15:00 - [31] The re-inforced armor plates, and the cap flux's are a complete waste. You also may want to consider dropping one of those cap rechargers for a scrambler, since they can just warp away otherwise. Other than that, having more nos would help break the tanks, or perhaps having a couple siege launchers will help you vary your damage type when necessary. But 1v1 there isn't much that can kill a heavily tanked apoc before he logs out because CCP is too **ing * to make people stay in space when warp scrambled.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.12.08 08:15:00 - [32] The re-inforced armor plates, and the cap flux's are a complete waste. You also may want to consider dropping one of those cap rechargers for a scrambler, since they can just warp away otherwise. Other than that, having more nos would help break the tanks, or perhaps having a couple siege launchers will help you vary your damage type when necessary. But 1v1 there isn't much that can kill a heavily tanked apoc before he logs out because CCP is too **ing * to make people stay in space when warp scrambled.
Nakir	Posted - 2004.12.08 10:19:00 - [33] In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven.
Nakir	Posted - 2004.12.08 10:19:00 - [34] In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven.
Tiwaz	Posted - 2004.12.08 10:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. agreed There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
Tiwaz	Posted - 2004.12.08 10:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. agreed There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
Synaig0	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:07:00 - [37] damn nice setup Makes me wanna get a mega myself --------------------- I'm the guy with the sleepy look...
Synaig0	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:07:00 - [38] damn nice setup Makes me wanna get a mega myself --------------------- I'm the guy with the sleepy look...
KingsGambit	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:17:00 - [39] The trick to beating a tanked Apoc, which many might miss in their quest to simply try and do damage faster than he/she can repair, is it's cap. Every module on an Apoc is for the most part cap hungry. An Apoc without cap is a sitting duck. Most Apoc pilots will have enough cap recharge to maintain an offense and defense for a very long time, while the Megathron only has a limited time before it's cap runs out. It's the staying power that wins in the end. You want to kill an Apoc, you take away it's cap, hit it where it hurts the most. The Raven is trickier, as it's main offensive weapons will continue to function after it's cap is dry, and can fire FoFs if you jam it. Forcing it to use it's shield booster by piling on the damage is a good idea, so it'll drain it's own cap (it won't run indefinitely like the Apoc will)...but nossing the heck out of it should speed things up a bit, whilst letting you maintain your defenses for longer. Bugs aside, a defender launcher, or maybe a smartbomb to defend against raven's barrage might slow down your cap use (be wary of drones ). Might be worth trying to fit a damage mod or two if you can as well, no point in doing it half hearted. ------------- BYOC Crow Interceptor Deals
KingsGambit	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:17:00 - [40] The trick to beating a tanked Apoc, which many might miss in their quest to simply try and do damage faster than he/she can repair, is it's cap. Every module on an Apoc is for the most part cap hungry. An Apoc without cap is a sitting duck. Most Apoc pilots will have enough cap recharge to maintain an offense and defense for a very long time, while the Megathron only has a limited time before it's cap runs out. It's the staying power that wins in the end. You want to kill an Apoc, you take away it's cap, hit it where it hurts the most. The Raven is trickier, as it's main offensive weapons will continue to function after it's cap is dry, and can fire FoFs if you jam it. Forcing it to use it's shield booster by piling on the damage is a good idea, so it'll drain it's own cap (it won't run indefinitely like the Apoc will)...but nossing the heck out of it should speed things up a bit, whilst letting you maintain your defenses for longer. Bugs aside, a defender launcher, or maybe a smartbomb to defend against raven's barrage might slow down your cap use (be wary of drones ). Might be worth trying to fit a damage mod or two if you can as well, no point in doing it half hearted. ------------- BYOC Crow Interceptor Deals
siim	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:32:00 - [41] Well KING the setup or trick u sayd to take down a Raven is not right Most Raven pilots use 2 heavy nosses ! So when the Blasterthron Approaches it has already been hit by few vollies of Torps and is on its half way armor! When the Blasterthron is under 21km the Raven starts nossing the Blasterthron and eating its cap so in a very short time the megathron dies A good idea how the Megathron would beat a raven 1v1 would be long range Good Luck Zavier ! be aware of the ravens
siim	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:32:00 - [42] Well KING the setup or trick u sayd to take down a Raven is not right Most Raven pilots use 2 heavy nosses ! So when the Blasterthron Approaches it has already been hit by few vollies of Torps and is on its half way armor! When the Blasterthron is under 21km the Raven starts nossing the Blasterthron and eating its cap so in a very short time the megathron dies A good idea how the Megathron would beat a raven 1v1 would be long range Good Luck Zavier ! be aware of the ravens
qrac	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:57:00 - [43] the best setup vs ravens and apocs is blasters, mwd, cap charger (800's), webber and lots of dmg mods. blasters+mwd+web will mean the apoc can't hit u. blasters+dmg mods means the raven can't tank u except if he has commander/officer loot. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
qrac	Posted - 2004.12.08 11:57:00 - [44] the best setup vs ravens and apocs is blasters, mwd, cap charger (800's), webber and lots of dmg mods. blasters+mwd+web will mean the apoc can't hit u. blasters+dmg mods means the raven can't tank u except if he has commander/officer loot. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
qrac	Posted - 2004.12.08 12:00:00 - [45] Edited by: qrac on 08/12/2004 12:39:36 Edited by: qrac on 08/12/2004 12:20:40 Originally by: siim Well KING the setup or trick u sayd to take down a Raven is not right Most Raven pilots use 2 heavy nosses ! So when the Blasterthron Approaches it has already been hit by few vollies of Torps and is on its half way armor! When the Blasterthron is under 21km the Raven starts nossing the Blasterthron and eating its cap so in a very short time the megathron dies A good idea how the Megathron would beat a raven 1v1 would be long range Good Luck Zavier ! be aware of the ravens let's say the raven and the blasterthron end up at 25 km from each other. the first volley will hit the blasterthron when it's just outside its range. the 2nd volley will hit the thron after the thron has started pounding the raven. i don't think the raven can hold out against a blasterthron if the fight starts from 25km and under. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
qrac	Posted - 2004.12.08 12:00:00 - [46] Edited by: qrac on 08/12/2004 12:39:36 Edited by: qrac on 08/12/2004 12:20:40 Originally by: siim Well KING the setup or trick u sayd to take down a Raven is not right Most Raven pilots use 2 heavy nosses ! So when the Blasterthron Approaches it has already been hit by few vollies of Torps and is on its half way armor! When the Blasterthron is under 21km the Raven starts nossing the Blasterthron and eating its cap so in a very short time the megathron dies A good idea how the Megathron would beat a raven 1v1 would be long range Good Luck Zavier ! be aware of the ravens let's say the raven and the blasterthron end up at 25 km from each other. the first volley will hit the blasterthron when it's just outside its range. the 2nd volley will hit the thron after the thron has started pounding the raven. i don't think the raven can hold out against a blasterthron if the fight starts from 25km and under. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
YuuKnow	Posted - 2004.12.08 13:55:00 - [47] Edited by: YuuKnow on 08/12/2004 14:00:25 Never flown a Mega, but I've flown a Raven for about 3 months and lost about 20 of them on test server, so have a pretty good idea of what can beat it. For a raven, try switching your vampires for 1 or 2 smartbombs and then switch the rolled plates with a Large Accomadation or med tech II. Only 1 armour repairer can never keep up with all the torp and cruise missle damage a Raven can dish out, especially at Caldari Bship Level 4 and with 2 Ballistic controls.You might be in cap trouble though if you relied on the Nosferataus for cap (but I doubt it; if so try upgrading your cap rechargers to cap recharger II's and your cap relays to cap relay IIs.....if you can find them anywhere!!.) Can't help ya against a Apoc. That thing is a beast!! Even with 2 vamps I doubt you'll ever drain his cap fast enough if he has good skills. Maybe ditch the vamps so you could fit more Neutron blasters to try to do more damage??
YuuKnow	Posted - 2004.12.08 13:55:00 - [48] Edited by: YuuKnow on 08/12/2004 14:00:25 Never flown a Mega, but I've flown a Raven for about 3 months and lost about 20 of them on test server, so have a pretty good idea of what can beat it. For a raven, try switching your vampires for 1 or 2 smartbombs and then switch the rolled plates with a Large Accomadation or med tech II. Only 1 armour repairer can never keep up with all the torp and cruise missle damage a Raven can dish out, especially at Caldari Bship Level 4 and with 2 Ballistic controls.You might be in cap trouble though if you relied on the Nosferataus for cap (but I doubt it; if so try upgrading your cap rechargers to cap recharger II's and your cap relays to cap relay IIs.....if you can find them anywhere!!.) Can't help ya against a Apoc. That thing is a beast!! Even with 2 vamps I doubt you'll ever drain his cap fast enough if he has good skills. Maybe ditch the vamps so you could fit more Neutron blasters to try to do more damage??
NajZero	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:07:00 - [49] The strategy on a Blasterthron is very simple. On sight, get close to the enemy, scramble and web him, put all guns on him, and stay there until your cap is gone. Normally your Target has been destroyed, otherwhise youre dead. There is no other situation. Kill him as fast as you got cap or he will kill you!
NajZero	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:07:00 - [50] The strategy on a Blasterthron is very simple. On sight, get close to the enemy, scramble and web him, put all guns on him, and stay there until your cap is gone. Normally your Target has been destroyed, otherwhise youre dead. There is no other situation. Kill him as fast as you got cap or he will kill you!
Captin Zoom	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:11:00 - [51] Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. Zoom want Nakirs Megathron that has 21882 in Powergrid or even the lowest powergrid example that has 20801. And wonders if Tiwaz or Synaig0 also has that ship since they think itÆs a nice setup Powergrid Req on the right do the maths 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II2100x7=14700 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb2000/1000 1 MWD1250 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges1750 1 Scrambler1 1 Web1 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer2000 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II175 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay)3/2 2 x Magnetic Vortex II2 Me and the rest of the megatron pilots on the other hand only have a powergrid of 19375 if we dont use Power Diag or Reactor Control Units so we have to use a different setup. High: 1 Modal Mega Neutron, 6 Modal Mega Electrons. The rest is basically the same as Nakirs setup.
Captin Zoom	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. Zoom want Nakirs Megathron that has 21882 in Powergrid or even the lowest powergrid example that has 20801. And wonders if Tiwaz or Synaig0 also has that ship since they think itÆs a nice setup Powergrid Req on the right do the maths 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II2100x7=14700 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb2000/1000 1 MWD1250 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges1750 1 Scrambler1 1 Web1 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer2000 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II175 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay)3/2 2 x Magnetic Vortex II2 Me and the rest of the megatron pilots on the other hand only have a powergrid of 19375 if we dont use Power Diag or Reactor Control Units so we have to use a different setup. High: 1 Modal Mega Neutron, 6 Modal Mega Electrons. The rest is basically the same as Nakirs setup.
Thanit	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:19:00 - [53] 7x blasters of any mix that fits your grid 1x heavy NOS or something that does damage, NO smartbomb ! 1x mwd 1x scrambler 1x web 1x heavy injector 1x large repairer 2x 1600mm plate 3x damage mod 1x rcu II if needed or nano membrane II if not. 9 heavies. Don't worry about cap to repair too much, just gank the hell outta that ship with your uber damage and try and live long enough with your uber armor Nah, silly setup I've never tried actually, but it could work anyway.
Thanit	Posted - 2004.12.08 14:19:00 - [54] 7x blasters of any mix that fits your grid 1x heavy NOS or something that does damage, NO smartbomb ! 1x mwd 1x scrambler 1x web 1x heavy injector 1x large repairer 2x 1600mm plate 3x damage mod 1x rcu II if needed or nano membrane II if not. 9 heavies. Don't worry about cap to repair too much, just gank the hell outta that ship with your uber damage and try and live long enough with your uber armor Nah, silly setup I've never tried actually, but it could work anyway.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.08 17:42:00 - [55] NajZero got it to the point: It's live by the sword and die by the sword. About a setup, try to use a mix of 7 Electron/Ion Blasters, Cap Injector, Mwd, Web, Scrambler, 1 Large Accommodation, 1 Medium Armor Rep II, 3 Hardeners, 2 Magnetic stabs II
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.08 17:42:00 - [56] NajZero got it to the point: It's live by the sword and die by the sword. About a setup, try to use a mix of 7 Electron/Ion Blasters, Cap Injector, Mwd, Web, Scrambler, 1 Large Accommodation, 1 Medium Armor Rep II, 3 Hardeners, 2 Magnetic stabs II
flummox	Posted - 2004.12.08 19:08:00 - [57] What's wrong with the RailaThron ?? i don't understand why you would want to waste 30+ km trying to close range when you can get a few more volleys in the time it takes to close range to use blasters. but, i suck. so, maybe i don't understand... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
flummox	Posted - 2004.12.08 19:08:00 - [58] What's wrong with the RailaThron ?? i don't understand why you would want to waste 30+ km trying to close range when you can get a few more volleys in the time it takes to close range to use blasters. but, i suck. so, maybe i don't understand... there is a fine, but dissasterous line between a fart and a shart. i suggest you make sure which side you want to be on...
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.12.08 19:28:00 - [59] Originally by: flummox What's wrong with the RailaThron ?? i don't understand why you would want to waste 30+ km trying to close range when you can get a few more volleys in the time it takes to close range to use blasters. but, i suck. so, maybe i don't understand... nothing... it's just that a blasterthron dishes more damage faster ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Grimpak	Posted - 2004.12.08 19:28:00 - [60] Originally by: flummox What's wrong with the RailaThron ?? i don't understand why you would want to waste 30+ km trying to close range when you can get a few more volleys in the time it takes to close range to use blasters. but, i suck. so, maybe i don't understand... nothing... it's just that a blasterthron dishes more damage faster ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.08 20:02:00 - [61] Edited by: JoCool on 08/12/2004 20:59:07 Flummox it's its style which attracts people. As I said, like to live by the sword and to die by the sword.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.08 20:02:00 - [62] Edited by: JoCool on 08/12/2004 20:59:07 Flummox it's its style which attracts people. As I said, like to live by the sword and to die by the sword.
Liquid Metal	Posted - 2004.12.08 20:29:00 - [63] ive found a well timed smartbomb nicely counters 50-80% of a ravens offense, you have to do some hardcore clicking, but it makes it a darn sight easier to tank "A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
Liquid Metal	Posted - 2004.12.08 20:29:00 - [64] ive found a well timed smartbomb nicely counters 50-80% of a ravens offense, you have to do some hardcore clicking, but it makes it a darn sight easier to tank "A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.12.08 20:34:00 - [65] tech II cloak for last hight slot rules.. B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.12.08 20:34:00 - [66] tech II cloak for last hight slot rules.. B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Bellicose	Posted - 2004.12.08 22:31:00 - [67] used this one for a while : 6x limeted ion blasters 2x heavy NOS 2xscramblers 1x (cant bloody remember) 1x mwd 4x hardners 1x large acco rep 1x medium tech2 rep 1x powerdiag worked pretty okey not sure though if it could take down a raven Who needs a shovel when you have a nice big cannon? KittenArmy capn' crimson
Bellicose	Posted - 2004.12.08 22:31:00 - [68] used this one for a while : 6x limeted ion blasters 2x heavy NOS 2xscramblers 1x (cant bloody remember) 1x mwd 4x hardners 1x large acco rep 1x medium tech2 rep 1x powerdiag worked pretty okey not sure though if it could take down a raven Who needs a shovel when you have a nice big cannon? KittenArmy capn' crimson
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.08 22:53:00 - [69] Yeah it can, rather good even. If you have a Cap Injector for your blasters - they dry your cap and Nosferatus will be neutralized by most Raven pilots as they use them too.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.08 22:53:00 - [70] Yeah it can, rather good even. If you have a Cap Injector for your blasters - they dry your cap and Nosferatus will be neutralized by most Raven pilots as they use them too.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.12.08 23:34:00 - [71] Originally by: Captin Zoom Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. Zoom want Nakirs Megathron that has 21882 in Powergrid or even the lowest powergrid example that has 20801. And wonders if Tiwaz or Synaig0 also has that ship since they think itÆs a nice setup Powergrid Req on the right do the maths 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II2100x7=14700 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb2000/1000 1 MWD1250 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges1750 1 Scrambler1 1 Web1 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer2000 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II175 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay)3/2 2 x Magnetic Vortex II2 Me and the rest of the megatron pilots on the other hand only have a powergrid of 19375 if we dont use Power Diag or Reactor Control Units so we have to use a different setup. High: 1 Modal Mega Neutron, 6 Modal Mega Electrons. The rest is basically the same as Nakirs setup. Not only that, but you'd run out of Cpu as well. I think the smartbomb version is more than 150 tf short. It does sound like a nice set-up though, if only you could fit it. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.12.08 23:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Captin Zoom Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. Zoom want Nakirs Megathron that has 21882 in Powergrid or even the lowest powergrid example that has 20801. And wonders if Tiwaz or Synaig0 also has that ship since they think itÆs a nice setup Powergrid Req on the right do the maths 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II2100x7=14700 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb2000/1000 1 MWD1250 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges1750 1 Scrambler1 1 Web1 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer2000 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II175 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay)3/2 2 x Magnetic Vortex II2 Me and the rest of the megatron pilots on the other hand only have a powergrid of 19375 if we dont use Power Diag or Reactor Control Units so we have to use a different setup. High: 1 Modal Mega Neutron, 6 Modal Mega Electrons. The rest is basically the same as Nakirs setup. Not only that, but you'd run out of Cpu as well. I think the smartbomb version is more than 150 tf short. It does sound like a nice set-up though, if only you could fit it. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Synaig0	Posted - 2004.12.08 23:38:00 - [73] Edited by: Synaig0 on 08/12/2004 23:42:47 Originally by: Synaig0 note I do NOT fly a megathron but do have extensive experience with rax/brutix Too good to be true I guess What I dont understand though about your setup is that u use electrons and then suddenly a neutron with it.. wouldnt a few ions instead of a single neutron get u more damage? Or is CPU in this case the problem? --------------------- I'm the guy with the sleepy look...
Synaig0	Posted - 2004.12.08 23:38:00 - [74] Edited by: Synaig0 on 08/12/2004 23:42:47 Originally by: Synaig0 note I do NOT fly a megathron but do have extensive experience with rax/brutix Too good to be true I guess What I dont understand though about your setup is that u use electrons and then suddenly a neutron with it.. wouldnt a few ions instead of a single neutron get u more damage? Or is CPU in this case the problem? --------------------- I'm the guy with the sleepy look...
archangel sean	Posted - 2004.12.09 04:36:00 - [75] Edited by: archangel sean on 09/12/2004 04:44:09 Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. This is a proper blasterthron setup. Just switch a few ions for electrons, and it will all fit nicely. However I used to fly blasterthrons, I have switched to ravens for fleet command, due to their 'fire and forget' weapons, it's much easier to do 'other' stuff while fighting. Good tanking + missles kill all types of ships make the raven a superior choice for fleet commanders. The blasterthron itself was a hardcore 1 on 1 pvp ship, that tbh, I enjoyed very much.
archangel sean	Posted - 2004.12.09 04:36:00 - [76] Edited by: archangel sean on 09/12/2004 04:44:09 Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. This is a proper blasterthron setup. Just switch a few ions for electrons, and it will all fit nicely. However I used to fly blasterthrons, I have switched to ravens for fleet command, due to their 'fire and forget' weapons, it's much easier to do 'other' stuff while fighting. Good tanking + missles kill all types of ships make the raven a superior choice for fleet commanders. The blasterthron itself was a hardcore 1 on 1 pvp ship, that tbh, I enjoyed very much.
Alpha Prime	Posted - 2004.12.09 06:13:00 - [77] This is just utter bs, all of it. The Megathron is suppose to be THE closerange ship and still it has problems taking down the raven which is not a closerange ship because of the superior cap and power output. I fly megathrons conctantly and i was the first in my corp to use blasterthrons so i know what im taking about. Something is seriosly wrong when a ship setup for closerange combat, used by a pilot with very high skills for just that purpose , is having problems taking down a ship like the raven without any special equipment. I dont see ravens or apoc beeing forced to used Uber gear just to take on blasterthrons, i dont see Ravens beeing forced to use tech2 launcherss or tech2 missiles just to stand a chanse. So why the ** should a megathron be forced to use special modules. Even with decent skills in a raven , you can outtank, outshoot and outlive a blasterthron , even if he gets within OPTIMAL RANGE using his 7 Guns. To me that seems like someone screwed up with the ballance again. when using Closerange ships, having GOOD skills for jsut that purpose , 7 guns, beeing at optimal range, there should be NOTHING that can outtank your damage before you go down - unless you are beeing fired upon by serveral others ofcourse. But 1on1, a Blasterthron should be superior to even a tanked raven - End of Story !!**. The Megathron is gimped enough already since it only has 3 Medslots free for choise. You say it has 4, bs.. 3 !.. you keep forgetting that the blasterthron is gimped by its need for MWD compared to other BS out there. Therefor it is also doomed to 25% less cap (As if it didnt have enough cap problem) and also 25% shield. A raven dont need to be setup any special way to take on any other BS out there, just pack FoFs and regular Cruise/Torps and you are good to go. The Megathron on the other hand needs to carefully choose its setup and if it runs into the wrong BS, its toast. Question to CCP: Why is it that a closerange ship is having problems with a ship based on missiles ?.. and should it not be fixed. Should it not be made worth the risk you take and the penalty from the MWD to go close range.
Alpha Prime	Posted - 2004.12.09 06:13:00 - [78] This is just utter bs, all of it. The Megathron is suppose to be THE closerange ship and still it has problems taking down the raven which is not a closerange ship because of the superior cap and power output. I fly megathrons conctantly and i was the first in my corp to use blasterthrons so i know what im taking about. Something is seriosly wrong when a ship setup for closerange combat, used by a pilot with very high skills for just that purpose , is having problems taking down a ship like the raven without any special equipment. I dont see ravens or apoc beeing forced to used Uber gear just to take on blasterthrons, i dont see Ravens beeing forced to use tech2 launcherss or tech2 missiles just to stand a chanse. So why the ** should a megathron be forced to use special modules. Even with decent skills in a raven , you can outtank, outshoot and outlive a blasterthron , even if he gets within OPTIMAL RANGE using his 7 Guns. To me that seems like someone screwed up with the ballance again. when using Closerange ships, having GOOD skills for jsut that purpose , 7 guns, beeing at optimal range, there should be NOTHING that can outtank your damage before you go down - unless you are beeing fired upon by serveral others ofcourse. But 1on1, a Blasterthron should be superior to even a tanked raven - End of Story !!**. The Megathron is gimped enough already since it only has 3 Medslots free for choise. You say it has 4, bs.. 3 !.. you keep forgetting that the blasterthron is gimped by its need for MWD compared to other BS out there. Therefor it is also doomed to 25% less cap (As if it didnt have enough cap problem) and also 25% shield. A raven dont need to be setup any special way to take on any other BS out there, just pack FoFs and regular Cruise/Torps and you are good to go. The Megathron on the other hand needs to carefully choose its setup and if it runs into the wrong BS, its toast. Question to CCP: Why is it that a closerange ship is having problems with a ship based on missiles ?.. and should it not be fixed. Should it not be made worth the risk you take and the penalty from the MWD to go close range.
Resdayn	Posted - 2004.12.09 07:09:00 - [79] Hum first of all apoc isnt the ¹ber ship everyone is talking about....sure its a nice gun boat...if you have the skills and equipment it can even tank. it always need 2 accomodations in combat whether its npc or pc, and the best powergrid upgrade things you can find if you go tachies. But a Apoc doesnt survive anything out there because i lost one a few days ago to a blasterthron and let me tell you it wasnt a pretty sight to see my 2 accomodation work for king and country only to delay the inevitable. Took around 2 minutes without the tank it would have taken 0,5-1min. And have you ever been in an apoc versus EW? i think not, that is a pain in the ass while being in an apoc..To maneuver an apoc effectively in combat takes both skill and sp...while with the raven or scorp you can multitask and still own the battlefield....just look at earlier statements about the "use and forget weapons" that can be used at any range and do a fixed amount of damage. not to mention the superb tanking on both the scorp and raven...and i really hate the scorp its to powerful to be a t1 bs Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy...
Resdayn	Posted - 2004.12.09 07:09:00 - [80] Hum first of all apoc isnt the ¹ber ship everyone is talking about....sure its a nice gun boat...if you have the skills and equipment it can even tank. it always need 2 accomodations in combat whether its npc or pc, and the best powergrid upgrade things you can find if you go tachies. But a Apoc doesnt survive anything out there because i lost one a few days ago to a blasterthron and let me tell you it wasnt a pretty sight to see my 2 accomodation work for king and country only to delay the inevitable. Took around 2 minutes without the tank it would have taken 0,5-1min. And have you ever been in an apoc versus EW? i think not, that is a pain in the ass while being in an apoc..To maneuver an apoc effectively in combat takes both skill and sp...while with the raven or scorp you can multitask and still own the battlefield....just look at earlier statements about the "use and forget weapons" that can be used at any range and do a fixed amount of damage. not to mention the superb tanking on both the scorp and raven...and i really hate the scorp its to powerful to be a t1 bs Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy...
qrac	Posted - 2004.12.09 08:31:00 - [81] Originally by: Alpha Prime Even with decent skills in a raven , you can outtank, outshoot and outlive a blasterthron , even if he gets within OPTIMAL RANGE using his 7 Guns. no way unless your skills or setup is crap. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
qrac	Posted - 2004.12.09 08:31:00 - [82] Originally by: Alpha Prime Even with decent skills in a raven , you can outtank, outshoot and outlive a blasterthron , even if he gets within OPTIMAL RANGE using his 7 Guns. no way unless your skills or setup is crap. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.12.09 12:50:00 - [83] Bah, stereotyping is all you do guys. No Raven needs to lose to that 'proper' blasterthron setup that includes 7 guns large+med repper, 3 hardeners and 2 damage mods.... The downside of the blasterthron is its predictability as well as its limited range. Defense agaisnt them is too easy. For example: use an armortanked Raven with some ecm, thron down. Use a few damps to increase his locking time by alot: thron down. Use an mwd (shield penalty to be removed soon by tomb) on your Raven: Thron down. Because of above examples I don't really bother using the standard blasterthron anymore. I go railathron/gankathron or fly some type of suicidal blasterboat with a suprise in it somewhere. Mega needs some cap help, plain and simple. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.12.09 12:50:00 - [84] Bah, stereotyping is all you do guys. No Raven needs to lose to that 'proper' blasterthron setup that includes 7 guns large+med repper, 3 hardeners and 2 damage mods.... The downside of the blasterthron is its predictability as well as its limited range. Defense agaisnt them is too easy. For example: use an armortanked Raven with some ecm, thron down. Use a few damps to increase his locking time by alot: thron down. Use an mwd (shield penalty to be removed soon by tomb) on your Raven: Thron down. Because of above examples I don't really bother using the standard blasterthron anymore. I go railathron/gankathron or fly some type of suicidal blasterboat with a suprise in it somewhere. Mega needs some cap help, plain and simple. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.12.09 13:30:00 - [85] Originally by: Alpha Prime I dont see ravens or apoc beeing forced to used Uber gear just to take on blasterthrons, i dont see Ravens beeing forced to use tech2 launcherss or tech2 missiles just to stand a chanse. So why the ** should a megathron be forced to use special modules. The Blasterthron pilot has to use special modules because that's the only way to make it all fit without using a Co-processor. Incidentally, a Raven pilot has to pack most of his low slots full of power diags to be able to fit six Sieges and two medium guns. And he also will have to use a load of named equipment to make it all fit without a Co-processor. I don't understand all this whining... why should some ship be able to take on every other ship in the game and win? I have both a Blasterthron and a Raven, and when I'm in my Blasterthron I think twice about attacking Ravens, and when I'm in my Raven I think twice about attacking Armageddons (since there's a good chance I will go down in flames before my missiles will even start hitting him). Furthermore, I find it extremely odd that a Caldari pilot is whining that his Gallente battleship has trouble winning against Caldari battleships. Get a grip man! Originally by:** DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.12.09 13:30:00 - [86] Originally by: Alpha Prime I dont see ravens or apoc beeing forced to used Uber gear just to take on blasterthrons, i dont see Ravens beeing forced to use tech2 launcherss or tech2 missiles just to stand a chanse. So why the ** should a megathron be forced to use special modules. The Blasterthron pilot has to use special modules because that's the only way to make it all fit without using a Co-processor. Incidentally, a Raven pilot has to pack most of his low slots full of power diags to be able to fit six Sieges and two medium guns. And he also will have to use a load of named equipment to make it all fit without a Co-processor. I don't understand all this whining... why should some ship be able to take on every other ship in the game and win? I have both a Blasterthron and a Raven, and when I'm in my Blasterthron I think twice about attacking Ravens, and when I'm in my Raven I think twice about attacking Armageddons (since there's a good chance I will go down in flames before my missiles will even start hitting him). Furthermore, I find it extremely odd that a Caldari pilot is whining that his Gallente battleship has trouble winning against Caldari battleships. Get a grip man! Originally by:** DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Medreena	Posted - 2004.12.11 11:47:00 - [87] Edited by: Medreena on 11/12/2004 12:02:18 Edited by: Medreena on 11/12/2004 12:01:22 Edited by: Medreena on 11/12/2004 12:00:48 I guess the problem is the Raven is overpowerd, It's an awesome ship no doubt about but it gets its cake and eats it in many respects. Compare that with the fact that the megathron is badly suited for skirmishes 1v1 (dont get me wrong its a great fleet ship) Heres why: A player can use a raven with much less skill points than a megathron pilot and win (been there done that). The Blasterthron is severley limited to close range vs raven which isnt in the slightest botherd about range (manjor cap usage to get in range for mega needed). Raven can have a awesome tank which is totaly devoted to shields, launcers dont take any cap to run + raven ushaly carries a NoS to aid it further. Megathron just cant keep all its guns and tank going for long it drains its powere too fast, even with cap batteries. Raven needs no named loot to out perform its enemy. Raven can choose its damage type Im not saying nerf the Raven but rather boost the Megathron a bit. It needs somthing else in its favour such as MWD usage bonus or cap reduction for blaster use + blaster range increase or special blaster ammo type like the minmitar have (EMP) close range and does 3 damage types. I use my Megethron as a Sniper-thron.... man its a fun ship if you do that GL guys and answer with reasons behind your thoughts... Med The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is for Good Men to Do Nothing...
Medreena	Posted - 2004.12.11 11:47:00 - [88] Edited by: Medreena on 11/12/2004 12:02:18 Edited by: Medreena on 11/12/2004 12:01:22 Edited by: Medreena on 11/12/2004 12:00:48 I guess the problem is the Raven is overpowerd, It's an awesome ship no doubt about but it gets its cake and eats it in many respects. Compare that with the fact that the megathron is badly suited for skirmishes 1v1 (dont get me wrong its a great fleet ship) Heres why: A player can use a raven with much less skill points than a megathron pilot and win (been there done that). The Blasterthron is severley limited to close range vs raven which isnt in the slightest botherd about range (manjor cap usage to get in range for mega needed). Raven can have a awesome tank which is totaly devoted to shields, launcers dont take any cap to run + raven ushaly carries a NoS to aid it further. Megathron just cant keep all its guns and tank going for long it drains its powere too fast, even with cap batteries. Raven needs no named loot to out perform its enemy. Raven can choose its damage type Im not saying nerf the Raven but rather boost the Megathron a bit. It needs somthing else in its favour such as MWD usage bonus or cap reduction for blaster use + blaster range increase or special blaster ammo type like the minmitar have (EMP) close range and does 3 damage types. I use my Megethron as a Sniper-thron.... man its a fun ship if you do that GL guys and answer with reasons behind your thoughts... Med The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is for Good Men to Do Nothing...
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.11 11:50:00 - [89] A torp-spamming raven with 4 ballistic mods does at least the same damage as a blasterthron, can begin firing at more or less any range it wants, and can tank just as well as a blasterthron (better, since it doesnt have to use 90% of its initial cap to MWD in close). The only reason that anyone would use a blasterthron is nostalgia at this point. They do nothing that cant be done better by a raven or an armageddon. Hell, I would say that right now the dominix is a superior ship to the mega. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.11 11:50:00 - [90] A torp-spamming raven with 4 ballistic mods does at least the same damage as a blasterthron, can begin firing at more or less any range it wants, and can tank just as well as a blasterthron (better, since it doesnt have to use 90% of its initial cap to MWD in close). The only reason that anyone would use a blasterthron is nostalgia at this point. They do nothing that cant be done better by a raven or an armageddon. Hell, I would say that right now the dominix is a superior ship to the mega. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2004.12.11 22:53:00 - [91] Edited by: Zavier Sozeron on 11/12/2004 22:56:07 Thank you everyone for your replies. I would like to make a few points firstly: - I am Never changing to a Caldari BS even if it means i will consistantly loose every fight I take part in - With 2 Nos I can run 1 armour rep + all guns forever.... - Although everyone knows the Mega needs a cap boost why has it never happened? Even caldari pilots are admiting it - Blasters > Rails cos I'm a suicidal freak Any evaluation of these points would be welcomed with additional answers to the original question
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2004.12.11 22:53:00 - [92] Edited by: Zavier Sozeron on 11/12/2004 22:56:07 Thank you everyone for your replies. I would like to make a few points firstly: - I am Never changing to a Caldari BS even if it means i will consistantly loose every fight I take part in - With 2 Nos I can run 1 armour rep + all guns forever.... - Although everyone knows the Mega needs a cap boost why has it never happened? Even caldari pilots are admiting it - Blasters > Rails cos I'm a suicidal freak Any evaluation of these points would be welcomed with additional answers to the original question
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.12.12 00:37:00 - [93] When fighting an apoc, dont try to take out his cap as your offensive weapon, you will end up dead. Instead, devise a setup that can dish out more damage than he can tank. With 2x large accoms, that is 116 dmg per second. Goodluck! -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.12.12 00:37:00 - [94] When fighting an apoc, dont try to take out his cap as your offensive weapon, you will end up dead. Instead, devise a setup that can dish out more damage than he can tank. With 2x large accoms, that is 116 dmg per second. Goodluck! -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.12.12 00:59:00 - [95] Mega does need a cap boost, I cant even run my guns forever with a mwd fitted... -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.12.12 00:59:00 - [96] Mega does need a cap boost, I cant even run my guns forever with a mwd fitted... -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.12 01:40:00 - [97] Made me laugh Hama ;) @ Zavier Sozeron A good set-up Blasterthron is a good ship, just like a good set-up Raven is, or a good set-up Apocalypse. Hell there are even Dominix setups that own. Remember EW Scorpions and range are your only natural enemies. If you're close enough and have a good fitting plus skills, you can consider most ships food. That includes Ravens. There is a very good video that shows some excellent Blasterthron action. You find it in the left bar, under Videos -> Community created. It's called Berserk 2, I suggest you download it to watch it. You'll probably learn more there than you have in these whole 3 pages of a thread.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.12.12 01:40:00 - [98] Made me laugh Hama ;) @ Zavier Sozeron A good set-up Blasterthron is a good ship, just like a good set-up Raven is, or a good set-up Apocalypse. Hell there are even Dominix setups that own. Remember EW Scorpions and range are your only natural enemies. If you're close enough and have a good fitting plus skills, you can consider most ships food. That includes Ravens. There is a very good video that shows some excellent Blasterthron action. You find it in the left bar, under Videos -> Community created. It's called Berserk 2, I suggest you download it to watch it. You'll probably learn more there than you have in these whole 3 pages of a thread.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.12 03:54:00 - [99] If you know your takin on a raven, it would seem packing a couple of assault launchers with a set of defenders would be a good choice. That will put a hurtin on his offence. Certainly his missiles are worth a lot more to him (with all his bonuses and ballistics) than yours are to you. Now that your damage output exceeds his, and you took a few less cruises on the way in, you should be able to outlast at your optimum no? ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Imhotep Khem	Posted - 2004.12.12 03:54:00 - [100] If you know your takin on a raven, it would seem packing a couple of assault launchers with a set of defenders would be a good choice. That will put a hurtin on his offence. Certainly his missiles are worth a lot more to him (with all his bonuses and ballistics) than yours are to you. Now that your damage output exceeds his, and you took a few less cruises on the way in, you should be able to outlast at your optimum no? ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Clipped Wings	Posted - 2004.12.12 04:27:00 - [101] Originally by: Imhotep Khem If you know your takin on a raven, it would seem packing a couple of assault launchers with a set of defenders would be a good choice. That will put a hurtin on his offence. Certainly his missiles are worth a lot more to him (with all his bonuses and ballistics) than yours are to you. Now that your damage output exceeds his, and you took a few less cruises on the way in, you should be able to outlast at your optimum no? Unless they have changed defender missiles, then no, using defenders is not an option...unless you're ready to go to a 100% standstill whenever you fire one off. Most amusing thing I've experienced so far in a blasterthron was to barely outrun the string of torps that would have killed me...Really something you can use, although it delays the time before you can hit yourself, but that is approaching at an angle, then either hope you have a smartbomb, or defenders fitted to take some of them out, or you will have a ball of doom hammering you as you stop. You can take almost any raven tank down with a blasterthron. Almost. I've experienced 2 tanks I didn't manage to break - one where the Raven had me in structure with 3 volleys (even with repairer/hardeners running), and the other tank was based on holding out until it ran out of cap. So, if you can survive ~2 minutes of Raven pounding, then you're pretty much certain he'll be dead. Comforting, eh? :/ On the other side: Taking tanked scorps and sniper tempests our with a blasterthron is a joy :) -Clipped Wings of LFC "I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man." ~William Hazlitt
Clipped Wings	Posted - 2004.12.12 04:27:00 - [102] Originally by: Imhotep Khem If you know your takin on a raven, it would seem packing a couple of assault launchers with a set of defenders would be a good choice. That will put a hurtin on his offence. Certainly his missiles are worth a lot more to him (with all his bonuses and ballistics) than yours are to you. Now that your damage output exceeds his, and you took a few less cruises on the way in, you should be able to outlast at your optimum no? Unless they have changed defender missiles, then no, using defenders is not an option...unless you're ready to go to a 100% standstill whenever you fire one off. Most amusing thing I've experienced so far in a blasterthron was to barely outrun the string of torps that would have killed me...Really something you can use, although it delays the time before you can hit yourself, but that is approaching at an angle, then either hope you have a smartbomb, or defenders fitted to take some of them out, or you will have a ball of doom hammering you as you stop. You can take almost any raven tank down with a blasterthron. Almost. I've experienced 2 tanks I didn't manage to break - one where the Raven had me in structure with 3 volleys (even with repairer/hardeners running), and the other tank was based on holding out until it ran out of cap. So, if you can survive ~2 minutes of Raven pounding, then you're pretty much certain he'll be dead. Comforting, eh? :/ On the other side: Taking tanked scorps and sniper tempests our with a blasterthron is a joy :) -Clipped Wings of LFC "I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man." ~William Hazlitt
CKieschnick	Posted - 2004.12.12 04:40:00 - [103] if i had the option i would really rather not attack a raven in a mega unless meeby insurance was running out or something.
CKieschnick	Posted - 2004.12.12 04:40:00 - [104] if i had the option i would really rather not attack a raven in a mega unless meeby insurance was running out or something.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.12 05:21:00 - [105] Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 12/12/2004 07:13:31 Originally by: JoCool A good set-up Blasterthron is a good ship, just like a good set-up Raven is, or a good set-up Apocalypse. Hell there are even Dominix setups that own. Remember EW Scorpions and range are your only natural enemies. If you're close enough and have a good fitting plus skills, you can consider most ships food. That includes Ravens. In my opinion, a blasterthron isnt a viable setup for combat against intellegent foes. Pretty much any ship you meet, except a tanked apoc or an ECM scorp, will have damage mods. Lots of them. You cant put multiple damage mods on a blasterthron. You need tanking or the trip to your optimal is going to be very, very short. You cant beat a good raven pilot, ever. Ballistic controls + Torpedos are not fun. Fighting a gankageddon setup is equally not fun unless you start within 5k. A well flown dominix has at least 50/50 odds against a blasterthron, if not better. And these are all assuming that you start with full cap 20k away from the target. Ships that can fit multiple (4+) damage mods and retain a small amount of tanking will almost always kill ships that cant, assuming pilots of equal skill. It's why the blasterthron is obsolete. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.12 05:21:00 - [106] Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 12/12/2004 07:13:31 Originally by: JoCool A good set-up Blasterthron is a good ship, just like a good set-up Raven is, or a good set-up Apocalypse. Hell there are even Dominix setups that own. Remember EW Scorpions and range are your only natural enemies. If you're close enough and have a good fitting plus skills, you can consider most ships food. That includes Ravens. In my opinion, a blasterthron isnt a viable setup for combat against intellegent foes. Pretty much any ship you meet, except a tanked apoc or an ECM scorp, will have damage mods. Lots of them. You cant put multiple damage mods on a blasterthron. You need tanking or the trip to your optimal is going to be very, very short. You cant beat a good raven pilot, ever. Ballistic controls + Torpedos are not fun. Fighting a gankageddon setup is equally not fun unless you start within 5k. A well flown dominix has at least 50/50 odds against a blasterthron, if not better. And these are all assuming that you start with full cap 20k away from the target. Ships that can fit multiple (4+) damage mods and retain a small amount of tanking will almost always kill ships that cant, assuming pilots of equal skill. It's why the blasterthron is obsolete. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2004.12.12 08:42:00 - [107] On the topic of defenders... that is the most useles thing (next to damage control) that you could fit on a blasterthron. You have to get into optimal fast, and defenders knock you about, bringing your speed down to 30 m/s. Sounds fine in theory, but doesn't work at all. I don't know, I enjoy flying blasterthrons because its macho way to fight, but tbh when a lvl1 ship (geddon) can beat a blasterthron, things are not balanced. Surely you can fit specific setup to counter specific ship, but the thing is, in a raven you don't have to. One setup to rule them all. Raven is not so hot in fleet battles tho, but oddly enough at ranges of 30+ km, geddon can kick megathrons ass. Oh, well, I guess its my own fault for not being in beta and figuring out that CCP prefer Amarr before making my main char... -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2004.12.12 08:42:00 - [108] On the topic of defenders... that is the most useles thing (next to damage control) that you could fit on a blasterthron. You have to get into optimal fast, and defenders knock you about, bringing your speed down to 30 m/s. Sounds fine in theory, but doesn't work at all. I don't know, I enjoy flying blasterthrons because its macho way to fight, but tbh when a lvl1 ship (geddon) can beat a blasterthron, things are not balanced. Surely you can fit specific setup to counter specific ship, but the thing is, in a raven you don't have to. One setup to rule them all. Raven is not so hot in fleet battles tho, but oddly enough at ranges of 30+ km, geddon can kick megathrons ass. Oh, well, I guess its my own fault for not being in beta and figuring out that CCP prefer Amarr before making my main char... -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
KristofferTr	Posted - 2004.12.12 11:00:00 - [109] Good Point Kingshabit, However: Im both Apoc and Raven Pilot. On the Apoc i can run all modules infinite WITH 1 Large Now leaching from me, if you add a second large NOS i will slowly loose cap if i have everything running. If i was in my Apoc, i would most likely tank the damage, and if you active the second nos i would stop firing eventually to keep my tanking going infinite. I dont think i could beat that Mega if it has Em and Thermal hardners, on the other hand i dont think it can get through my armour. This has actually hapend with a simular setup a couple of times In me Raven i have two large faction named NOS, so if you wanna leach any cap from me you will need 3 or more of those, i rarely run out of cap in it :) Miner - KristofferTr Fighter - Whitelitch Tactical - Lafiele
KristofferTr	Posted - 2004.12.12 11:00:00 - [110] Good Point Kingshabit, However: Im both Apoc and Raven Pilot. On the Apoc i can run all modules infinite WITH 1 Large Now leaching from me, if you add a second large NOS i will slowly loose cap if i have everything running. If i was in my Apoc, i would most likely tank the damage, and if you active the second nos i would stop firing eventually to keep my tanking going infinite. I dont think i could beat that Mega if it has Em and Thermal hardners, on the other hand i dont think it can get through my armour. This has actually hapend with a simular setup a couple of times In me Raven i have two large faction named NOS, so if you wanna leach any cap from me you will need 3 or more of those, i rarely run out of cap in it :) Miner - KristofferTr Fighter - Whitelitch Tactical - Lafiele
dalman	Posted - 2004.12.12 15:09:00 - [111] Well well well... A good megathron fitting, much like the one I used to use myself. 7 guns, 1 nosf, drones. My skillpoints, Named equipment, but nothing "³ber". With all "normal" hits, that yields a damageoutput of 837.4 HP/s. Now, 1 large acco, with skill at 5, repair 64 HPS/s. 2 = 128 (837.4-128)/837.4 = 84.7% resistance needed to keep up. 3 = 192 ... = 77.0% resistance needed to keep up. Needless to say, no 'normal' setup can tank that forever. To tank that, you'll need to set up specificly for only thermal/kinetic and switch most your guns for nosferatus. And a raven CERTAINLY can't tank that forever, even if shields has good resistance against kinetic. The only question is if they can kill me before they die. A gunship that doesn't fit a webbifier certainly can't. A good raven... that will be close. But it will probably not have a webber, and then I could run if it's looking bad. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
dalman	Posted - 2004.12.12 15:09:00 - [112] Well well well... A good megathron fitting, much like the one I used to use myself. 7 guns, 1 nosf, drones. My skillpoints, Named equipment, but nothing "³ber". With all "normal" hits, that yields a damageoutput of 837.4 HP/s. Now, 1 large acco, with skill at 5, repair 64 HPS/s. 2 = 128 (837.4-128)/837.4 = 84.7% resistance needed to keep up. 3 = 192 ... = 77.0% resistance needed to keep up. Needless to say, no 'normal' setup can tank that forever. To tank that, you'll need to set up specificly for only thermal/kinetic and switch most your guns for nosferatus. And a raven CERTAINLY can't tank that forever, even if shields has good resistance against kinetic. The only question is if they can kill me before they die. A gunship that doesn't fit a webbifier certainly can't. A good raven... that will be close. But it will probably not have a webber, and then I could run if it's looking bad. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Thanit	Posted - 2004.12.12 22:32:00 - [113] I'm enjoying a nice ralaithron setup that does lots of damage and negates enemy offense quite well under normal circumstances. Only thin it cant do is scramble. 7 named 425mm rails assault+defenders 1x mwd 2x dampener 1x cap recharger II 1x med repairer II 1x 1600mm plate 1x nano membrane II 3x damage mods 1x RCU It does damage veeery well againt other BS. At ranges above 30km any BS not using two sensor boosters is reduced to FOF's which cant kill you before you kill them under normal circumstances. Then again, ew screws you, as do opponents which have 2 damps as well
Thanit	Posted - 2004.12.12 22:32:00 - [114] I'm enjoying a nice ralaithron setup that does lots of damage and negates enemy offense quite well under normal circumstances. Only thin it cant do is scramble. 7 named 425mm rails assault+defenders 1x mwd 2x dampener 1x cap recharger II 1x med repairer II 1x 1600mm plate 1x nano membrane II 3x damage mods 1x RCU It does damage veeery well againt other BS. At ranges above 30km any BS not using two sensor boosters is reduced to FOF's which cant kill you before you kill them under normal circumstances. Then again, ew screws you, as do opponents which have 2 damps as well
Wuubaa	Posted - 2004.12.13 00:44:00 - [115] 7 ion blasters mwd webber dmg mods in lows ahoy no more tank. Just hope u can get in range U cant be good at dealing dmg and tanking imo.
Wuubaa	Posted - 2004.12.13 00:44:00 - [116] 7 ion blasters mwd webber dmg mods in lows ahoy no more tank. Just hope u can get in range U cant be good at dealing dmg and tanking imo.
Jet Max	Posted - 2004.12.13 00:49:00 - [117] Originally by: Luc Boye On the topic of defenders... that is the most useles thing (next to damage control) that you could fit on a blasterthron. You have to get into optimal fast, and defenders knock you about, bringing your speed down to 30 m/s. Sounds fine in theory, but doesn't work at all. Thats so true! Today i used defenders for the first time in lvl 4 mission.I thought i dun need to get in range, MWD its not working in dead space anyways, so getting slowed down while shooting them wouldnt be a problem. So when Angel BS starts shooting torps at me i realized that i need WHOLE 3 defenders just to take 1 down
Jet Max	Posted - 2004.12.13 00:49:00 - [118] Originally by: Luc Boye On the topic of defenders... that is the most useles thing (next to damage control) that you could fit on a blasterthron. You have to get into optimal fast, and defenders knock you about, bringing your speed down to 30 m/s. Sounds fine in theory, but doesn't work at all. Thats so true! Today i used defenders for the first time in lvl 4 mission.I thought i dun need to get in range, MWD its not working in dead space anyways, so getting slowed down while shooting them wouldnt be a problem. So when Angel BS starts shooting torps at me i realized that i need WHOLE 3 defenders just to take 1 down
Lizzie	Posted - 2004.12.13 03:17:00 - [119] Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. Q: One day at the red light a guy in a BMW wanted to race. I said "OK"...I lost...how should I win the next time? Oh, btw my car is a Nissan Micra A: Equip your Micra with a dual jet engine with afterburners and a scud missile on the roof, if he's against all odds are winning use the scud, it got about 300km reach so you can blast his home if he reaches it, btw you can equip chemical or nuclear warheads on it, nice :P If you're not a handy guy you should buy a Maclaren F1 LM (GIYF). With this setup/car you will beat all enemy cars, the other got no chance. *I hope my sarcasm is well hidden
Lizzie	Posted - 2004.12.13 03:17:00 - [120] Originally by: Nakir In a Blasterthron you can beat any other Ship. Try this. 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II with this setup you will beat all enemy ships, the other got no chance. Try it and you will get through the thickest armor an apoc ever have or same with Raven. Q: One day at the red light a guy in a BMW wanted to race. I said "OK"...I lost...how should I win the next time? Oh, btw my car is a Nissan Micra A: Equip your Micra with a dual jet engine with afterburners and a scud missile on the roof, if he's against all odds are winning use the scud, it got about 300km reach so you can blast his home if he reaches it, btw you can equip chemical or nuclear warheads on it, nice :P If you're not a handy guy you should buy a Maclaren F1 LM (GIYF). With this setup/car you will beat all enemy cars, the other got no chance. *I hope my sarcasm is well hidden
Cracken	Posted - 2004.12.13 03:21:00 - [121] See if you can get your hands on 3 heavy named noses. And use neuts people may say I'm crazy but think what is an apoc or raven pilots worst nightmare, it's running out of cap and shield boosters are cap hungry they eat it like mad. So come in at 15km hit the noses and wham suddenly he's out of cap and can't tank you anymore. And lasers use the most cap. SO just suck away and run 2x large reps. on their cap!!!
Cracken	Posted - 2004.12.13 03:21:00 - [122] See if you can get your hands on 3 heavy named noses. And use neuts people may say I'm crazy but think what is an apoc or raven pilots worst nightmare, it's running out of cap and shield boosters are cap hungry they eat it like mad. So come in at 15km hit the noses and wham suddenly he's out of cap and can't tank you anymore. And lasers use the most cap. SO just suck away and run 2x large reps. on their cap!!!
CKieschnick	Posted - 2004.12.13 05:42:00 - [123] Quote: And use neuts people may say I'm crazy but think what is an apoc or raven pilots worst nightmare, it's running out of cap and shield boosters are cap hungry they eat it like mad. Problem is launchers on a raven arent cap hungry and if the raven is fitted properly the 2 large accoms wont keep up. Raven vs my mega i would try to avoid if the chance did come up it would be a what the hell type situation and just try, but mega vs apoc i would take that any day.
CKieschnick	Posted - 2004.12.13 05:42:00 - [124] Quote: And use neuts people may say I'm crazy but think what is an apoc or raven pilots worst nightmare, it's running out of cap and shield boosters are cap hungry they eat it like mad. Problem is launchers on a raven arent cap hungry and if the raven is fitted properly the 2 large accoms wont keep up. Raven vs my mega i would try to avoid if the chance did come up it would be a what the hell type situation and just try, but mega vs apoc i would take that any day.
YuuKnow	Posted - 2004.12.13 06:23:00 - [125] Originally by: Thanit I'm enjoying a nice ralaithron setup that does lots of damage and negates enemy offense quite well under normal circumstances. Only thin it cant do is scramble. 7 named 425mm rails assault+defenders 1x mwd 2x dampener 1x cap recharger II 1x med repairer II 1x 1600mm plate 1x nano membrane II 3x damage mods 1x RCU It does damage veeery well againt other BS. At ranges above 30km any BS not using two sensor boosters is reduced to FOF's which cant kill you before you kill them under normal circumstances. Then again, ew screws you, as do opponents which have 2 damps as well I faced a railathron a while back that was doting 7 x damage mods and 1-2 tracking computers. My raven was toast. Hit just like a gankageddon......gankathron.
YuuKnow	Posted - 2004.12.13 06:23:00 - [126] Originally by: Thanit I'm enjoying a nice ralaithron setup that does lots of damage and negates enemy offense quite well under normal circumstances. Only thin it cant do is scramble. 7 named 425mm rails assault+defenders 1x mwd 2x dampener 1x cap recharger II 1x med repairer II 1x 1600mm plate 1x nano membrane II 3x damage mods 1x RCU It does damage veeery well againt other BS. At ranges above 30km any BS not using two sensor boosters is reduced to FOF's which cant kill you before you kill them under normal circumstances. Then again, ew screws you, as do opponents which have 2 damps as well I faced a railathron a while back that was doting 7 x damage mods and 1-2 tracking computers. My raven was toast. Hit just like a gankageddon......gankathron.
Talona	Posted - 2004.12.13 12:41:00 - [127] Originally by: *****en And lasers use the most cap I have a feeling that lasers on an apoc use slightly less cap than your blasters do ...
Talona	Posted - 2004.12.13 12:41:00 - [128] Originally by: *****en And lasers use the most cap I have a feeling that lasers on an apoc use slightly less cap than your blasters do ...
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.13 13:28:00 - [129] the mega is a beast not even my apoc with 2x900hp reps could keep up with it in testing. granted i did have 2 of the rong hardeners on but even so i worked out later it would still have beat me with 80% kinetic and 80% thermal resistance. first invest in a accom. second get some better but not t2 caps rechargers. maybe 18%'s you can still find these now and then under a mill as people don't check the value as they are non-t2. next get on to sisi and try the mega with a named 100mn AB. they are alot better in next patch and it may be all you need. pls tell me you are using iridium over AM you will get a 4-8km ish opti and slightly lower dmg but at a lower caps use. you will aslo need GOOD caps skills and you could do with working on repair skills to get the cycle time to 12 sec. You need to carry 2 of each heavy drone type to. ogres only do thermal dmg so often you will have all 8 rendered ineffective. Fit a caps booster and 800 caps charges. i can't see how on earth you will have a problem with apoc in that. they are often very fine tuned on caps use so the slightest bit extra caps drain will mean their guns/tank die after a bit. against a raven i sugest you are in a gang with a frig that can provide a warp to under 10km. this way you can web them and most of ALL you can toggle your mwd offline then use the caps booster to fill the now spare caps space you have. turning the mwd off will not only give you extra caps but make the recharge faster as you now have the same recharge time over more caps. at the same time as dual nosting them you have rendered the dual nosts many ravens carry iniffective and then its just a matter of dmg output. a pilot with high gunnery skills should have no trouble out dmging a raven under 10km. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.12.13 13:28:00 - [130] the mega is a beast not even my apoc with 2x900hp reps could keep up with it in testing. granted i did have 2 of the rong hardeners on but even so i worked out later it would still have beat me with 80% kinetic and 80% thermal resistance. first invest in a accom. second get some better but not t2 caps rechargers. maybe 18%'s you can still find these now and then under a mill as people don't check the value as they are non-t2. next get on to sisi and try the mega with a named 100mn AB. they are alot better in next patch and it may be all you need. pls tell me you are using iridium over AM you will get a 4-8km ish opti and slightly lower dmg but at a lower caps use. you will aslo need GOOD caps skills and you could do with working on repair skills to get the cycle time to 12 sec. You need to carry 2 of each heavy drone type to. ogres only do thermal dmg so often you will have all 8 rendered ineffective. Fit a caps booster and 800 caps charges. i can't see how on earth you will have a problem with apoc in that. they are often very fine tuned on caps use so the slightest bit extra caps drain will mean their guns/tank die after a bit. against a raven i sugest you are in a gang with a frig that can provide a warp to under 10km. this way you can web them and most of ALL you can toggle your mwd offline then use the caps booster to fill the now spare caps space you have. turning the mwd off will not only give you extra caps but make the recharge faster as you now have the same recharge time over more caps. at the same time as dual nosting them you have rendered the dual nosts many ravens carry iniffective and then its just a matter of dmg output. a pilot with high gunnery skills should have no trouble out dmging a raven under 10km. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.12.13 13:42:00 - [131] Originally by: fairimear against a raven i sugest you are in a gang with a frig that can provide a warp to under 10km. this way you can web them and most of ALL you can toggle your mwd offline then use the caps booster to fill the now spare caps space you have. and get spammed by Torpedos, no thx -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.12.13 13:42:00 - [132] Originally by: fairimear against a raven i sugest you are in a gang with a frig that can provide a warp to under 10km. this way you can web them and most of ALL you can toggle your mwd offline then use the caps booster to fill the now spare caps space you have. and get spammed by Torpedos, no thx -------------------------------------------
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:43:00 - [133] imo blasters are only usable if you get dropped form teh enemy within like 20km nowadays. Against Ravens I don't care to use them at all with mwd shield penalty off. I find rails are better up to the task of killing tanked hostiles then blasters. It's just annoying that you can't scramble anyone at 20+km
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:43:00 - [134] imo blasters are only usable if you get dropped form teh enemy within like 20km nowadays. Against Ravens I don't care to use them at all with mwd shield penalty off. I find rails are better up to the task of killing tanked hostiles then blasters. It's just annoying that you can't scramble anyone at 20+km
Fire Hawk	Posted - 2004.12.23 20:26:00 - [135] Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:27:05 Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:26:27 My 1on1 thron setup is : - 3x Mega Modal Neutron's (Antimatter or Ura) - 2x Mega Modal Ion's - 2x Cruise Arba's (FoF Cruise in case of ECM) - 1x Heavy Smarty - 1x XL C5 - 1x FRX Heavy Cap (4 800 charges + 4 in cargohold) - 1x 90% Web - 1x Quad-Lif MWD - 1 RCU II - 1 CPU II - 1 Med Armor Rep II - 3 Magnetic Dmg Mod II Specialy designed for 1vs1, if u catch a BS, he's just dead :) That setup assume u not tanked but no need to, u can beat any BS before he gets u on armor. MWD to him, Web him, Fire, and keep bumping him to prevent him to align to warp, and before he can understand something kill him. That's a piece of cake
Fire Hawk	Posted - 2004.12.23 20:26:00 - [136] Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:27:05 Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:26:27 My 1on1 thron setup is : - 3x Mega Modal Neutron's (Antimatter or Ura) - 2x Mega Modal Ion's - 2x Cruise Arba's (FoF Cruise in case of ECM) - 1x Heavy Smarty - 1x XL C5 - 1x FRX Heavy Cap (4 800 charges + 4 in cargohold) - 1x 90% Web - 1x Quad-Lif MWD - 1 RCU II - 1 CPU II - 1 Med Armor Rep II - 3 Magnetic Dmg Mod II Specialy designed for 1vs1, if u catch a BS, he's just dead :) That setup assume u not tanked but no need to, u can beat any BS before he gets u on armor. MWD to him, Web him, Fire, and keep bumping him to prevent him to align to warp, and before he can understand something kill him. That's a piece of cake
Cyrus XII	Posted - 2004.12.25 21:34:00 - [137] Originally by: Fire Hawk Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:27:05 Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:26:27 My 1on1 thron setup is : - 3x Mega Modal Neutron's (Antimatter or Ura) - 2x Mega Modal Ion's - 2x Cruise Arba's (FoF Cruise in case of ECM) - 1x Heavy Smarty - 1x XL C5 - 1x FRX Heavy Cap (4 800 charges + 4 in cargohold) - 1x 90% Web - 1x Quad-Lif MWD - 1 RCU II - 1 CPU II - 1 Med Armor Rep II - 3 Magnetic Dmg Mod II Specialy designed for 1vs1, if u catch a BS, he's just dead :) That setup assume u not tanked but no need to, u can beat any BS before he gets u on armor. MWD to him, Web him, Fire, and keep bumping him to prevent him to align to warp, and before he can understand something kill him. That's a piece of cake Anyone else test this to see how it works? And could someone post the relevent skills that some of these suggetions miight require? I just got into the thron a few days ago and am loving it. Though Gunnery V is 2 days away, I'm still tearing **** up with 250's, 200's, and blasters. I've done a lot of Blasterax setups so I'm familiar with the concept of tanking and such. Also, what's a good fleet config for a thron? I appreciate your help :) - You will miss 100% of the shots you do not take.
Cyrus XII	Posted - 2004.12.25 21:34:00 - [138] Originally by: Fire Hawk Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:27:05 Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:26:27 My 1on1 thron setup is : - 3x Mega Modal Neutron's (Antimatter or Ura) - 2x Mega Modal Ion's - 2x Cruise Arba's (FoF Cruise in case of ECM) - 1x Heavy Smarty - 1x XL C5 - 1x FRX Heavy Cap (4 800 charges + 4 in cargohold) - 1x 90% Web - 1x Quad-Lif MWD - 1 RCU II - 1 CPU II - 1 Med Armor Rep II - 3 Magnetic Dmg Mod II Specialy designed for 1vs1, if u catch a BS, he's just dead :) That setup assume u not tanked but no need to, u can beat any BS before he gets u on armor. MWD to him, Web him, Fire, and keep bumping him to prevent him to align to warp, and before he can understand something kill him. That's a piece of cake Anyone else test this to see how it works? And could someone post the relevent skills that some of these suggetions miight require? I just got into the thron a few days ago and am loving it. Though Gunnery V is 2 days away, I'm still tearing **** up with 250's, 200's, and blasters. I've done a lot of Blasterax setups so I'm familiar with the concept of tanking and such. Also, what's a good fleet config for a thron? I appreciate your help :) - You will miss 100% of the shots you do not take.
CKieschnick	Posted - 2004.12.26 02:22:00 - [139] unless your enemy is within 5km that setup would probly get you killed =x
CKieschnick	Posted - 2004.12.26 02:22:00 - [140] unless your enemy is within 5km that setup would probly get you killed =x
Max Hardcase	Posted - 2004.12.26 21:18:00 - [141] Anyone ever tried to fit a bunch of overdrive boosters on a Blasterthron ? Would increase the MWD speed immensely.
Max Hardcase	Posted - 2004.12.26 21:18:00 - [142] Anyone ever tried to fit a bunch of overdrive boosters on a Blasterthron ? Would increase the MWD speed immensely.
dalman	Posted - 2004.12.26 21:33:00 - [143] Originally by: Max Hardcase Anyone ever tried to fit a bunch of overdrive boosters on a Blasterthron ? Would increase the MWD speed immensely. Absolutely not worth it. With good scanner use you can make sure to warp in close enough from the beginning. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
dalman	Posted - 2004.12.26 21:33:00 - [144] Originally by: Max Hardcase Anyone ever tried to fit a bunch of overdrive boosters on a Blasterthron ? Would increase the MWD speed immensely. Absolutely not worth it. With good scanner use you can make sure to warp in close enough from the beginning. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.26 21:33:00 - [145] Originally by: Max Hardcase Anyone ever tried to fit a bunch of overdrive boosters on a Blasterthron ? Would increase the MWD speed immensely. One, you dont have any free lowslots on a blasterthron, unless you start dumping damage mods. Two, the reduced cargo bay will decrease your ability to carry cap charges. Three, the structure penalty may change the outcome of a close fight. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.26 21:33:00 - [146] Originally by: Max Hardcase Anyone ever tried to fit a bunch of overdrive boosters on a Blasterthron ? Would increase the MWD speed immensely. One, you dont have any free lowslots on a blasterthron, unless you start dumping damage mods. Two, the reduced cargo bay will decrease your ability to carry cap charges. Three, the structure penalty may change the outcome of a close fight. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Axia Firehead	Posted - 2004.12.27 11:22:00 - [147] Originally by: Fire Hawk Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:27:05 Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:26:27 My 1on1 thron setup is : - 3x Mega Modal Neutron's (Antimatter or Ura) - 2x Mega Modal Ion's - 2x Cruise Arba's (FoF Cruise in case of ECM) - 1x Heavy Smarty - 1x XL C5 - 1x FRX Heavy Cap (4 800 charges + 4 in cargohold) - 1x 90% Web - 1x Quad-Lif MWD - 1 RCU II - 1 CPU II - 1 Med Armor Rep II - 3 Magnetic Dmg Mod II Specialy designed for 1vs1, if u catch a BS, he's just dead :) That setup assume u not tanked but no need to, u can beat any BS before he gets u on armor. MWD to him, Web him, Fire, and keep bumping him to prevent him to align to warp, and before he can understand something kill him. That's a piece of cake why your XLC5 ?? you want to empty your cap ?? your shield booster, without any hardener wont be of any use really. if you use them, you will kill your cap, and being toast before you can kill a tanked apoc.. and, if you don t use it in battle, then a medium is better for after, and use a large armor reparer instead a medium. Carbide industries. Combat director
Axia Firehead	Posted - 2004.12.27 11:22:00 - [148] Originally by: Fire Hawk Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:27:05 Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:26:27 My 1on1 thron setup is : - 3x Mega Modal Neutron's (Antimatter or Ura) - 2x Mega Modal Ion's - 2x Cruise Arba's (FoF Cruise in case of ECM) - 1x Heavy Smarty - 1x XL C5 - 1x FRX Heavy Cap (4 800 charges + 4 in cargohold) - 1x 90% Web - 1x Quad-Lif MWD - 1 RCU II - 1 CPU II - 1 Med Armor Rep II - 3 Magnetic Dmg Mod II Specialy designed for 1vs1, if u catch a BS, he's just dead :) That setup assume u not tanked but no need to, u can beat any BS before he gets u on armor. MWD to him, Web him, Fire, and keep bumping him to prevent him to align to warp, and before he can understand something kill him. That's a piece of cake why your XLC5 ?? you want to empty your cap ?? your shield booster, without any hardener wont be of any use really. if you use them, you will kill your cap, and being toast before you can kill a tanked apoc.. and, if you don t use it in battle, then a medium is better for after, and use a large armor reparer instead a medium. Carbide industries. Combat director
Axia Firehead	Posted - 2004.12.27 11:22:00 - [149] Originally by: Fire Hawk Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:27:05 Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:26:27 My 1on1 thron setup is : - 3x Mega Modal Neutron's (Antimatter or Ura) - 2x Mega Modal Ion's - 2x Cruise Arba's (FoF Cruise in case of ECM) - 1x Heavy Smarty - 1x XL C5 - 1x FRX Heavy Cap (4 800 charges + 4 in cargohold) - 1x 90% Web - 1x Quad-Lif MWD - 1 RCU II - 1 CPU II - 1 Med Armor Rep II - 3 Magnetic Dmg Mod II Specialy designed for 1vs1, if u catch a BS, he's just dead :) That setup assume u not tanked but no need to, u can beat any BS before he gets u on armor. MWD to him, Web him, Fire, and keep bumping him to prevent him to align to warp, and before he can understand something kill him. That's a piece of cake why your XLC5 ?? you want to empty your cap ?? your shield booster, without any hardener wont be of any use really. if you use them, you will kill your cap, and being toast before you can kill a tanked apoc.. and, if you don t use it in battle, then a medium is better for after, and use a large armor reparer instead a medium. Carbide industries. Combat director
Axia Firehead	Posted - 2004.12.27 11:22:00 - [150] Originally by: Fire Hawk Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:27:05 Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:26:27 My 1on1 thron setup is : - 3x Mega Modal Neutron's (Antimatter or Ura) - 2x Mega Modal Ion's - 2x Cruise Arba's (FoF Cruise in case of ECM) - 1x Heavy Smarty - 1x XL C5 - 1x FRX Heavy Cap (4 800 charges + 4 in cargohold) - 1x 90% Web - 1x Quad-Lif MWD - 1 RCU II - 1 CPU II - 1 Med Armor Rep II - 3 Magnetic Dmg Mod II Specialy designed for 1vs1, if u catch a BS, he's just dead :) That setup assume u not tanked but no need to, u can beat any BS before he gets u on armor. MWD to him, Web him, Fire, and keep bumping him to prevent him to align to warp, and before he can understand something kill him. That's a piece of cake why your XLC5 ?? you want to empty your cap ?? your shield booster, without any hardener wont be of any use really. if you use them, you will kill your cap, and being toast before you can kill a tanked apoc.. and, if you don t use it in battle, then a medium is better for after, and use a large armor reparer instead a medium. Carbide industries. Combat director
Sauron Starcrusher	Posted - 2004.12.27 14:08:00 - [151] Shields on a Megathron?? Now that's just crazy. I've spent a lot of my time in some deep deadspace complexes wit my Thron, and I've found a setup that doubles as both a good NPC and PvP setup. There's no speed to it at all, though. But the guns allow different ranges wit different ammo. Highs: 6 named Dual 250mm Rails....tungsten for long range, antimatter for short and hard. (if you can fit 350's on, go for it) 2 siege launchers Mids: 4 cap rechargers (swap one for a warp inhibitor for PvP) Lows: 1 Med Repairer II 1 Large Accommodation Repairer 1 named Thermal, Kenetic, and Explosive active hardeners 2 1600mm Rolled Tungsten platings The tungsten ammo will give a range of 13k to about 55-60k for the NPC's, just swap out for the antimatter when you run into players. As far as the armor is concerned, I've stopped gankers dead in their tracks when they hit my armor. You can keep the med II runnin and only use the large if you need a quick boost. All your resistances will be above 50%, and you'll have over 10K of armor.
Sauron Starcrusher	Posted - 2004.12.27 14:08:00 - [152] Shields on a Megathron?? Now that's just crazy. I've spent a lot of my time in some deep deadspace complexes wit my Thron, and I've found a setup that doubles as both a good NPC and PvP setup. There's no speed to it at all, though. But the guns allow different ranges wit different ammo. Highs: 6 named Dual 250mm Rails....tungsten for long range, antimatter for short and hard. (if you can fit 350's on, go for it) 2 siege launchers Mids: 4 cap rechargers (swap one for a warp inhibitor for PvP) Lows: 1 Med Repairer II 1 Large Accommodation Repairer 1 named Thermal, Kenetic, and Explosive active hardeners 2 1600mm Rolled Tungsten platings The tungsten ammo will give a range of 13k to about 55-60k for the NPC's, just swap out for the antimatter when you run into players. As far as the armor is concerned, I've stopped gankers dead in their tracks when they hit my armor. You can keep the med II runnin and only use the large if you need a quick boost. All your resistances will be above 50%, and you'll have over 10K of armor.
Zardock	Posted - 2004.12.27 16:24:00 - [153] If you really want to kill a tank quickly use 4 NOS and 4 blasters. Have fun.
Zardock	Posted - 2004.12.27 16:24:00 - [154] If you really want to kill a tank quickly use 4 NOS and 4 blasters. Have fun.
F4ze	Posted - 2004.12.28 13:21:00 - [155] Edited by: F4ze on 28/12/2004 13:22:11 I just beat a Raven yesterday in my blasterthron. The pilot had well over 10mil skillpoints and was using ZW-4100 and Arbalest sieges, 2 heavy nos, 4 PDU II + 1 cap recharger II. My setup: 6 modal mega electron 2 heavy nos 1 mwd 1 web 1 scramble 1 cap injector 2 large acco repairers 3 hardeners (explosive, kinetic, thermal) 1 PDU II 1 mag field stab II It took me all 12 cap800 charges (the maximum you can carry) before he went down. The problem was not tanking the damage, but holding out longer than he did. I had to activate my second repairer only occasionally. I've been thinking on swapping the large acco with a medium armor repairer II and drop the PDU II in favor of an extra damage mod or EM hardener. Edit: fight started @ 25km and I was at 50% cap and no shields when I started hitting him.
F4ze	Posted - 2004.12.28 13:21:00 - [156] Edited by: F4ze on 28/12/2004 13:22:11 I just beat a Raven yesterday in my blasterthron. The pilot had well over 10mil skillpoints and was using ZW-4100 and Arbalest sieges, 2 heavy nos, 4 PDU II + 1 cap recharger II. My setup: 6 modal mega electron 2 heavy nos 1 mwd 1 web 1 scramble 1 cap injector 2 large acco repairers 3 hardeners (explosive, kinetic, thermal) 1 PDU II 1 mag field stab II It took me all 12 cap800 charges (the maximum you can carry) before he went down. The problem was not tanking the damage, but holding out longer than he did. I had to activate my second repairer only occasionally. I've been thinking on swapping the large acco with a medium armor repairer II and drop the PDU II in favor of an extra damage mod or EM hardener. Edit: fight started @ 25km and I was at 50% cap and no shields when I started hitting him.
Frost88	Posted - 2005.01.07 14:37:00 - [157] I've debated this for a while with friends. We decided the Megathron is an 'everything or nothing' ship. The most important thing to remember is no fight lasts forever, so having a setup that can run MWD, Tank and guns indefinitely is pointless. Drunkenmaster was a true Mega pilot (I think he's back in the game now too), and his setup played on the fact you didn't need to last long to win. I can't remember it exactly, and with all the T2 stuff flying arund these days it's pretty dated, but in effect... Neutrons, mwd, cap injector, 2 large reapairers and damage mods. Maybe a PDU or so to fit it all. Point is you warp in close, you get close, you kill very fast. Gallente philosophy denotes that time not spent in bars having fun is wasted time, the megathron was built so Gallente can spend less time fighting, more time in bars! In a fight you either win very quickly, or you lose very quickly, either way, more bar time. ------------------------------------------------ I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
Zavier Sozeron	Posted - 2005.01.10 13:43:00 - [158] Edited by: Zavier Sozeron on 10/01/2005 13:44:38 With the new Afterburner changes in place i thought this Topic needed a revival. After some testing and some attacks on gatecamps i found this setup to make most amarr and caldari bs end up running like babies. However I did have to start within 25 kms of the bs so it was a risky strategy. Setup: High Slots : 5 x Anode Mega Electron Particle Cannon I, 2 x Modal Mega Neutron Particle Cannon, 1 x E500 prototype Energy Vampire Med Slots: 1 x X5 prototype Webber, Warp Scrambler I, Large Elechtrochemical Cap booster loaded with 800's, 1 x 100mn afterburner II Low SLots: 2 x Magnetic Stabilizer II, N-Type kinetic, thermal and explosive hardeners, 1 x Large armour repairer, Cap power relay. With this setup i could tank the ravens missiles fairly effectively giving me the time to stick it to him with my blasters. The Amarr bs started missin at around 10kms so once I got under that it was only a matter of time. The cap booster allowed me to keep both armour rep and guns blazing constantly. The only real weakness of this setup is long multiple pvp ad i can only carry 10 x 800 boosters (4 loaded in cap booster 6 in hold). Otherwise for a 1 v 1 it is great.
Muad 'dib	Posted - 2005.01.10 14:56:00 - [159] Originally by: Marcus Aurelius It's just annoying that you can't scramble anyone at 20+km For more isk than i can dream of you could buy a Tobias' Modified Warp Disruptor (40k, -2 strength) and a Tobias' Modified Stasis Webifier (40k, -75% speed) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- /\|\. '/\' The Wild West Made Me Quicker On The DRAW Than You
archangel sean	Posted - 2005.01.13 08:33:00 - [160] Originally by: flummox What's wrong with the RailaThron ?? i don't understand why you would want to waste 30+ km trying to close range when you can get a few more volleys in the time it takes to close range to use blasters. but, i suck. so, maybe i don't understand... Because at close range, you can deal alot of damage, and keep the target from running with the web and strength2 warp scramblers.(also, your victim will **** in his/her pants through fear)
Cyperinn	Posted - 2005.01.24 15:08:00 - [161] 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II humm....nice setup, but basicly I dont have enough CPU to let this setup work... I need 2k more pg and 120 more CPU
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.01.24 15:32:00 - [162] Originally by: Cyperinn 7 x Ion Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Nos or Large Smartbomb 1 MWD 1 Heavy FRX Prototype Cap Injector with 800charges 1 Scrambler 1 Web 1 x Large Accomodation Armor repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 3 x Armor Hardener (expl. kin, thermal or only 2 with Cap relay) 2 x Magnetic Vortex II humm....nice setup, but basicly I dont have enough CPU to let this setup work... I need 2k more pg and 120 more CPU Lol, yeah sure, I could come up with a nice setup too if youd give me unlimited power and cpu. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Thrak	Posted - 2005.01.24 15:36:00 - [163] Might as well give out mine since its pretty reitred atm: 6 Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I 2 Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I 1 Quad LiF Fueled Booster Rockets 1 Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I 1 Faint Warp Prohibitor I 1 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 1 Large 'Accomodation' Vestment Reconstructer I 1 Energized Adaptive Nano Plating I 1 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1 Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit 3 Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabalizer Used to work ok, CCP did a stealth nerf on the way blasters track since Exodus however. Popping cruisers at 20km used to be fun as well.
Spikum	Posted - 2005.01.31 17:56:00 - [164] i prefer: 6 Ion blaster tech2 \|2 Nosferatus(Size depends on the rest of your CPU/PWRG left) 1 MWD 1 webber 1 Disruptor 1 Cappbosst800 2 Large accomodation \|Kinetic,explosive and thermic armor hardener each one time CPU/PDU Depends on your skill and which named stuff u got.
masumi	Posted - 2005.02.14 11:35:00 - [165] Ok I am sort of a newb but whats the biggest problem you could have if your fighting someone ?---- There cap no power = dead soooooo just set up your ship with 6 nos and a few harderners some speed and 2 missiles wap scamby n a jammer Watch the guy your fighting sit there and squirm till he blows up PS: caldari people get relly mad when a megathron blows them up with missils its funny
Lucky Luke	Posted - 2005.02.15 15:26:00 - [166] I can see everyone is talking about blasters and iron, what about 425 mm rails II, is they no good? I'm looking for a setup for my mega.
Niki Silver	Posted - 2005.02.24 02:33:00 - [167] Originally by: archangel sean also, your victim will **** in his/her pants through fear) LOL Now that is funny - thanks for the good laugh =)
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.03.02 17:12:00 - [168] I'm loving a few of these theoretical setups. I'm telling you, with my Weapon Upgrades, Engineering and Electronics 5, I can't fit half of these. Most of them run short on cpu, but I especially like the 7xIon Cannon II setup which is 3000 grid short. I'm going to disregard the fleet setup here. That one is simple. Fit 7 Mag Stab's II, 4 Tracking Comps and throw whatever railgun you can fit in the highs. Sure, you can try 6 damage mods and a coproc, you might need a RCU II or so, but the idea is simple. In the sticky that got me here are three links to NPC setups, so those aren't all that interesting either. More interesting is a 1v1 or small skirmish setup. The type of PvP where you actually need to tank. The Blasterthron variant is the obvious choice here. I believe you should build a Blasterthron reversed. You don't put weapons first and then try to fit some tank; instead, you figure out your lowslots and then fit whatever blaster cannons you can in the highs. I didn't mention midslots as these are fixed for any Blasterthron. You simply CANNOT put anything else in it, unless you favor an ineffective ship. For those who don't know, midslots are - 100mn MWD - Heavy Capacitor Booster (often referred to as Cap Injector) - Webber - Scrambler (both 7,5 km or 20km works; whatever you prefer) So what do we put in the lowslots? Since this is a PvP setup, I'm going to assume we don't want to risk tens of millions in expensive named modules just to make it fit. I'm of course referring to N-Type hardners (at 5-8 million each), which cost only 20 cpu each, taking a LOT of pressure of off your cpu, which is really, really, low on a Thron. Instead we fit with tech I Modules as far as it allows. Aside from a tank we also want some damage mods, since you can't really compete without them. Lucky for us we have that cap injector in a midslot, so we don't no stinkin' cap relays. That gets me to the following lowslot layout - 1 x Large Repairer - 1 x Med Repairer II - 1 x Thermal Hardner - 1 x Kinetic Hardner - 1 x Explosive Hardner - 2 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II (Note: if you're sure you won't fight Minmatars, I'd advice fitting a third Mag Stab II instead of the explosive hardner. You ain't gonna beat a Raven anyway) That doesn't leave much room on the highs, especially in the CPU department. I'm gonna need to fit a Nosferatu as frigate and cruiser defense and it also helps me to keep those guns going. Additionally, it might prove useful when you're up against a cap-tweaked Apoc. Looking at the cpu I have left, it leaves me no choice than to use Electron Blasters. Trying to fit 7 of them will result in CPU shortage (yup, that's right, this does, contrary to popular believe, NOT fit with the lows and mids filled with non-named gear). Lucky for us, there is this thing called the regulated Electron Blaster Cannon, which is the worst named gun, but also uses the least cpu of them all. And to top it off, they're cheap as hell (700k-1m each, as opposed to 500-700k for a tech I), so they won't cripple your wallet too much. Fitting 7 of these will fit fairly easy; easy enough to stick an Ion or two or a Tech II Electron along with them. However, since I'm obsessed with using the same guns in all slots, I never tested how many Ions you can fit. Setup Summarized: Highslots: 7 x Regulated Electron Blaster Cannon 1 x Heavy Nosferatu Medslots: 1 x 100mn Microwarp Drive 1 x Heavy Cap Injector 1 x Statis Webifier 1 x Warp Scrambler Lowslots: 1 x Large Armor Repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 1 x Thermal Hardner 1 x Kinetic Hardner 1 x Explosive Hardner 2 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II This will beat the crud out of most battleships with proper tactics. Things to fear: * EW scorp. If he scrambles just MWD out of Scramble Range and warp away. You can't win. Period. * Gankageddon. If you're within 25km, MWD up close, cross your fingers and pray. Once you're in orbit, he's dead. Otherwise, warp away. * Ravens. No matter how good the odds look, you will never have more than about 50% chance vs a Raven. A pilot with maxed skills will beat the living crap out of you. Things to laugh at: * Tanked-to-the-teeth Apoc. Nice try, boy. The Nozzle will disrupt your cap balance and I could already break your tank in the first place. * Cap-draining Phoon. Time your Repairer to start its cycle together with the Cap Injector. One useless Typhoon. * Autocannon Tempest. He's basically using your setup, except your is 50% more damaging and has an extra lowslot. ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?"
Lorth	Posted - 2005.03.02 17:40:00 - [169] Really nice post, if I'll add some more info and oppions here as well. In regards to your low slot set up. If you wish to save CPU, it is fesable to fit a membrane rather then a active hardener. If you fit say a thermal or a kinetic membrane you end up with ~60% resistance rather then ~67% with the active hardener. This is assuming you are either useing tech 2 or a faction mod. Personally I'm leaning toward fitting an EM hardener rather then an explosive, as there are some many amar ships out there nowadays. Simply only two races are going to do explosive damage, Caldarie and Min. Against caldarie I would advice running, its not worth fighting them with out fitting specifically for them. Further, most tempests are set up as 1400mm platforms, meaning hardener or no, once you get in blaster range you will still wtfpwn them. As for the high slot load out. Well your going to be stuck fitting electrons, or ions. Personally I go for electrons for the cap use and ease of fitting. Also of consideration, modal electrons will do more damage then the best ions. However, if your poor, or don't like spending lots of cash on a pvp set up then you could possibly go for a mix of ion's and electrons. Personally I havn't done this my self in a very long time so I can't give you exact fittings, but it does work some what better then an all electron fitting. Cap, its your weakness. You need cap booster 800's. Theres no way around it, you can not get a passive cap recharge high enough on a blasterthron to be at all workable. I personally believe that it is better to say screw cap recharge and rely tottaly on your boosters. With good skills a mega set up as in the above post can fight for about 3 min before runnign out of cap assuming the fight starts at 20km. Which in most cases will be enough to kill your opponent given the high amount of damage you can inflict(yes I know about megapulse.)
duckling1	Posted - 2005.03.02 18:18:00 - [170] 4x Modal Mega Neutron 2x Modal Mega Electron 2x E500 NOS 1x Quad Lif 1x web 1x scramble 1x cap recharge 1x Large accomodation repair 2x armor hardner of choice. 2x damage mod 2x cap relay With all my mechanical/ engeneering/ gunnery skills, I couldn't keep this setup running long enough to kill a raven with double NOS fitted. Most of the times I tried to go around the fights with a Raven. The rest was not the biggest problem Duck ---------------------------------------------
ElMesar	Posted - 2005.03.18 13:13:00 - [171] i belive smothing like this could work just fine on a mega... high slots 7x modal mega electron med slots 1xquad lif booster rockets 2x heavy capacitor booster 1x scramble low slots 2xlarge acomodation vestment 1xkinetic hardener 1xthermic hardener 1xexplosive hardener 2x magnetic field stab. II I belive taht this kind of a fitting would give you enough time to ***** a shield tank of a raven. Yet still i belive a megathron should recive another bonus, pointing in directon of MWD cap penalty, if some ships have 10% bonuses (raven, appoc, arma...), why not giving mega a third 5% bonus on reducing cap penalty when using-fitting MWD, it would sure make lifes of megathron pilots a bit easier.
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.03.18 22:13:00 - [172] tested today with similar setup: 7x modal electron, 1x heavy nosf 1x quad lif, web, scrembler, injector 1x large accomodation, med t2, 2x dmg mods, 3 hardeners does not work vs tanked raven(4x pduII), and does not work vs gankaraven(5x ballistic) I rather avoid ravens in future. But apoc's tank is no problem, i can easily outdmg that.
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.03.18 22:34:00 - [173] Edited by: Kaeten on 18/03/2005 22:35:20 A raven cannot +be beaten at the current time with a proper 7 gun 1 nos blastathron. Raven with damage mods eat megathrons. Gankegeddon eats megathrons (not as much as ravens though) ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Milan22	Posted - 2005.03.19 00:33:00 - [174] Originally by: Kaeten Edited by: Kaeten on 18/03/2005 22:35:20 A raven cannot +be beaten at the current time with a proper 7 gun 1 nos blastathron. Raven with damage mods eat megathrons. Gankegeddon eats megathrons (not as much as ravens though) Not so sure, I beat twice a Raven 1v1 with 6 blasters and 2 NOSes. ;)
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2005.03.19 04:08:00 - [175] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 19/03/2005 04:09:02 Here is the trick to beating everything (except nos apocs and ravens.) In my opinion, blasterthron is not meant to tank. 5x neut 1x ion 1x elec 1x mwd 1x em hardener 1x therm hardener 1x kinetic hardener 1x 1600 tungsten 6x mag stab 2 Use someone in a frig to do the scrambling and webbing, or drop the kinetic hardener and put on a 20km. I am the OG PIIIIIMP
Spektral	Posted - 2005.03.19 13:19:00 - [176] First thing, I cannot fly a mega, though i think they have great potential. I keep seeing people go for just thermal and kinetic damage for weapons (drones, etc) if you had explosive drones (berserkers i beleieve) this damage would tip the scales in your favor. most people tank em,therm =amarr, or kin thermal =caldari, gallente. Thermal is one of the most tanked damages, why would you load ogres??? Explosive damage from 10 drones should break the back of an opponent's tank, and if he is spread tanked that just means that your guns are that much more effective. Just my two cents worth.
Savage Quell	Posted - 2005.03.19 17:35:00 - [177] Here is a nice and expensive setup that actually fits: 2 x Mega Ion Blaster Cannon II 5 x Mega Electron Blaster Cannon II 1 x Heavy Diminishing NOS 1 x Quad LIF MWD 1 x Fleeting Propulsion Webber 1 x Faint scrambler 1 x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Injector 1 x Large Accomodation Armor Repairer 1 x Medium Armor Repairer II 4 x Faction Armor Hardeners 1 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10 x Berserker Drones I must add that I have a -3% cpu for turrets implant. Alternatively you can swap out an Ion Blaster for an extra NOS. This setup has proven its worth in combat, although I must say that I haven't fought a 1 billion Raven setup with maxed skills yet (I'd probably lose a fight like that). ______________________________________ Unintended consequences of purposive action.
Bobbeh	Posted - 2005.03.20 05:17:00 - [178] Why does every fit dual reppers? It seems so pointless, infact I would suggest fitting no armour repairers, a 1600 Tungsten has about 41.5Seconds worth of Large Carapace fixing in it. That is usually about the same time it takes to break a ravens shields? Anyway i will post my setup when i finished it. Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
Lorth	Posted - 2005.03.20 07:02:00 - [179] I've been thinking of doing the following set up my self. Forgive me if this doesn't fit, though I'm about 99% it does, but I'm at work and not able to be in game to check. Keep in mind most everything is named as well. 7 electrons, nos Standerd mids 1 (maybe 2) large accomo's, 5-6 damage mods. The general idea being gankageddon, MWD style. Stupid damage, crummy tank, everything the megathron is supposed to be.
Sadist	Posted - 2005.03.20 07:20:00 - [180] How come no one tries rails? Shouldn't you beat raven with a railathron? Stay at 50-60km and pound away, laughing at his torps. Im very clueless on this subject of BS combat, so please tell me why rails wont work. _______________________________________________
Lorth	Posted - 2005.03.20 07:31:00 - [181] Rails work, and work well. The problem is, you can't warp scamble from 60km away. Yes you can do enough damage to kill a raven before his torps catch up and kill you. However, theres no way to get him to stay in the same place. Thats the problem with long range set ups. Your limited to killing small targets, which die before they can warp. Or bringing a friend with you to do the scrambling work. Rails, are for fleets/groups. If your in a small group, or solo, blasters are ushally the way to go.
DARTHxFREE	Posted - 2005.03.20 10:16:00 - [182] so many setup posts, and theoretical posts, has any one actually beat a raven solo? tel us your war story's >:-E3 !!!rrraY I'm an anti pirate,...life's the wrong way round.
Bobbeh	Posted - 2005.03.20 11:35:00 - [183] Try this Lorth 6x mega electron II 1x modal mega electron 1x malkuth siege 1x 100mn MicroWarpdrive 1x X5 Webifier 1x J5 Warp Scrambler (7.5k) 1x Medium Capacitor Injector 1x 1600mm Tungsten 3x N-type Hardeners 3x Mag field Stab II Mjolnir torpedos + ogres. I think that would fair well Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
Cowboy	Posted - 2005.03.20 12:28:00 - [184] Edited by: Cowboy on 20/03/2005 12:30:39 I have beaten ravens and apocs with this: High: 7 electron blaster IIs 1 Hvy Nos Med: 100mn MWD Webber 7.5k scramb Hvy cap inject Low: 3 passive hardners 1 1600 plate 1 Lrg named rep 1 med techII rep 1 Mag stab II I was also able to tank a raven and mega on a 2 vs 1 1/4th for a bit. I got the raven into struct, but I popped when she had about 5% stuct left. Thank god a corpmate was in a frig (the 1/4th) to finish the job "Come on God. Answer me. For years I am asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered? Have you already said to the world, here is justice, here is punishment, here..............in me"
Lorth	Posted - 2005.03.20 22:24:00 - [185] Originally by: DARTHxFREE so many setup posts, and theoretical posts, has any one actually beat a raven solo? tel us your war story's I have beaten 2 ravens solo. The first, I knew the guy was in a raven, so I equiped 2 large smart bombs. Was able to tank the few torps that got through with only a medium repairer. Ironically, though I'm not certain how, I missed the pod with SB's going off. The second. Wapring to a gate, in an empty system. The raven pilot enters through the gate I was warping to. As luck would have it I land about 3km away from him. My initial reaction was to try and run, since I know what a raven can do to megathrons. However, I was webbed, and scrambled. So I took my beating like a man, and fired back. Forced him to warp out when he hit armor (he had stabs.) To be honest, even under these ideal conditions, I prob would have lost the fight. I was nearly out of cap, and only a few boosters ramaining. Had the raven pilot not had stabs, and stuck around I'm pretty certain he would have won.
jamesw	Posted - 2005.03.21 00:21:00 - [186] I fought a couple of Ravens solo in my mega (in the short time i had one). I killed one (starting distance 12km), the fight ending with him dead and me at 10% armour. The other (starting @ 25km), I was forced to warp out just as I started to really eat through his shields. I had the following fitout for both fights: 6 Electrons (mix of anode/regulated) 2 hvy nos Mwd, web, scram, hvy cap injector Large Automated, 4 x Energized adaptive nano II's, 2 wcs. I had the wcs on because I was still testing - my intention being to change them for dmg mods when I got a bit more of a feel for the ship. I ended up hating it, losing it and never bothered to get another. As a note on the above setup, I would have made the following changes: 3 x energized adaptive nano II's + explosive hardener. I also would have fitted a 7th gun on, and changed the wcs to damage mods. With those changes made, the ship would have most likely beat the second raven. I can honestly understand why people don't like the megathron - every time I fly one I am astounded at how hard it is to fit a decent setup, and even then you can hardly compete with other BS. All I can say is try the Dominix - it's not gimped like the mega is. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
Mariarchi Desperado	Posted - 2005.03.29 20:12:00 - [187] Edited by: Mariarchi Desperado on 29/03/2005 20:23:40 Edited by: Mariarchi Desperado on 29/03/2005 20:23:19 Okay, I'm trying to set up a blasterthron, and have a few questions... What sort of damage do you do with these setups? I am using: 2 Anode Mega Electron, 5 Regulated Mega Electron, Heavy Nos 100mn MWD, Heavy Cap Injector, Statis Webifier, Warp Scrambler Large Armor Repairer, Medium Armor Repairer II, Thermal Hardner, Kinetic Hardner, Explosive Hardner, 2 Magnetic Field Stabilizer II and getting terrible damage per shot in testing, less than with my 425s at 40km. Or is it the fact that they hit a lot more often that is the advantage? Also, is the web only useful for frigs and intys? because i was thinking about trying some sort of ECM, so i don't take as many hits... Finally I BLOODY HATE CAP INJECTORS! only being able to carry around just enough cap booster 800 charges for 1 battle is ridiculous. I wish I could get good a passive cap recharge rate I hope the hybrid love will help a bit, but all the same
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.03.29 20:49:00 - [188] What i think is really unfair is that ravens beat megathrons at close range. Everyones sayig that the dps of a raven is shorter than any other turret ship because of the flight time. I say feck off cause when a raven is sitting next to you it ain't gonna take that long for the torps to hit. The ridiclous thing is that the raven can tank and do damage sametime at close range which imo is not fair. What is needed is that the blasters get a damage increasment, not range, not cap reducion , not fitting but a damage increase since u have to get within 10k to use it. And to use any other ammo you would be an ass. Anyway back to the raven/apoc thing. Use a smartbomb against ravens and just orbit the apoc. They shold both die. ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.03.29 21:27:00 - [189] Originally by: Cowboy Edited by: Cowboy on 20/03/2005 12:30:39 I have beaten ravens and apocs with this: High: 7 electron blaster IIs 1 Hvy Nos Med: 100mn MWD Webber 7.5k scramb Hvy cap inject Low: 3 passive hardners 1 1600 plate 1 Lrg named rep 1 med techII rep 1 Mag stab II I was also able to tank a raven and mega on a 2 vs 1 1/4th for a bit. I got the raven into struct, but I popped when she had about 5% stuct left. Thank god a corpmate was in a frig (the 1/4th) to finish the job isnt the 1600mm plate a waste? ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Mariarchi Desperado	Posted - 2005.04.02 11:36:00 - [190] Quote: I was also able to tank a raven and mega on a 2 vs 1 1/4th for a bit. I got the raven into struct, but I popped when she had about 5% stuct left. Thank god a corpmate was in a frig (the 1/4th) to finish the job -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- isnt the 1600mm plate a waste? Sounds like he needed a bit more really
Stormfront	Posted - 2005.04.17 05:48:00 - [191] Edited by: Stormfront on 17/04/2005 05:49:15 Just podded my alt in his Raven and me in a megathron on the test server. The smartbomb went off prematurely :p Ofcourse, the smarti option is only feasible in VERY SPECIFIC circumstances. You cannot do it in empire unless off gates/stations in low sec. You cannot use it in ops where you might have friggie tacklers going at it. So basically, if you know you are facing a Raven and are doing a 1v1, 1 smarti can nullify nearly 60+% of a Ravens dmg output. Ofcourse, I'm using a 300hp dmg smarti. Its doable in any ship, but I think the tempest does it best with the smarti... due to its lack of cap needs on guns.
Cummilla	Posted - 2005.04.19 21:03:00 - [192] Lorth is on the money with that idea for a pure damage setup megathron. If you and a friend setup such a ship for a duo of max damage megathrons, you will become FEARED in the area in which you operate. Large blobs will form to repulse your threat heh Raven pilots will wither to your combined damage. It's about as fun as Eve gets
JMcClane	Posted - 2005.05.19 11:36:00 - [193] Edited by: JMcClane on 19/05/2005 11:37:03 I've been trying to setup my Megathron in these last few days, and I've come up with something like this. It might not beat the tanks, but I believe it should be pretty decent in combat. High Slots: 7x Electron Blaster Cannons 1x Unstable Power (Heavy Neutralizer) Med Slots: 100mn Afterburner Heavy Electrochemical (800 charges) X-5 Webifier (Less CPU usage) Fleeting Warp Disrupter (20km) Low Slots: 2x Large Accomodation 3x Armor Hardeners 1x Damage Mod Tech II 1x CPU II Drone bay full of Heavy Drones. Without the CPU I can't fit the two large accoms and the neutralizer. Warp in on top of your opponent, warp scramble him, web him, blast him and tank the damage.... keep the tacklers of by the neutralizer and drones. Cargohold full of more 800 charges and more antimatter. I guess the setup will hold cap for about 2-3-4 minutes, but to be honest, I've rarely been in a fight that last any longer than that. Either I'm dead, the opponents is, they left, or we left. Electrons have less Damage Modifier than Ions, but also faster Rate of Fire. If you calculate Damage Per Second, you don't loose all that much by going Electron!
Lorth	Posted - 2005.05.19 11:53:00 - [194] Originally by: JMcClane Edited by: JMcClane on 19/05/2005 11:37:03 I've been trying to setup my Megathron in these last few days, and I've come up with something like this. It might not beat the tanks, but I believe it should be pretty decent in combat. High Slots: 7x Electron Blaster Cannons 1x Unstable Power (Heavy Neutralizer) Med Slots: 100mn Afterburner Heavy Electrochemical (800 charges) X-5 Webifier (Less CPU usage) Fleeting Warp Disrupter (20km) Low Slots: 2x Large Accomodation 3x Armor Hardeners 1x Damage Mod Tech II 1x CPU II Drone bay full of Heavy Drones. Without the CPU I can't fit the two large accoms and the neutralizer. Warp in on top of your opponent, warp scramble him, web him, blast him and tank the damage.... keep the tacklers of by the neutralizer and drones. Cargohold full of more 800 charges and more antimatter. I guess the setup will hold cap for about 2-3-4 minutes, but to be honest, I've rarely been in a fight that last any longer than that. Either I'm dead, the opponents is, they left, or we left. Electrons have less Damage Modifier than Ions, but also faster Rate of Fire. If you calculate Damage Per Second, you don't loose all that much by going Electron! Three things. First, you need a MWD. You'll be dead long before you get anywheres close to most ships with out it. Second, don't use a nuet. The mega has cap problems, even with the changes to hybrids, and your really only making it worse with the neut. The idea behind a blasterthron is to out damage a tank rather then waiting for the guy to run out of cap. This slot is much better severed with either a med smart bomb II or a nos. Third: Buy some regulated electrons. (or limited, which ever uses the least cpu) They are cheap, and honestly can be found for almost recycle value in some systems. That will help with the CPU problems your going to end up with. Also keep in mind, the meag is very CPU gimped. Your going to want to tran weapons upgrades 5 if you havn't done so already.
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.05.19 12:07:00 - [195] ummmm... you cannot break apoc's tank with 7x modal electrons & 2x dmg mods, heavy nosf & skills at lvl4(gallente bs, large hybrids, gunnery - oh my god i don't have bs related skillz at lvl5, but raven requires bs related skills lvl3 to wtfpwn many things). & 8 heavy drones. Simply he will tank you 4ever. Tried this on sisi many times, if there is decent pilot in apoc, he will survive. On the other hand, ravens go down with electron setup & 2x LAR & 3x hardeners/t2 membranes as they run out of cap after a minute or so. And i hope some ccp genius wont make shield tank more cap effective or xl t2 easier to fit. But i'd say situation is pretty much ballanced, as tanked apoc cannot kill you. On the other hand, gank mode(neutrons or at least neutron/ion mix) will die vs raven, but will melt apoc pretty fast.
siim	Posted - 2005.05.19 12:11:00 - [196] omg another resurrected thread
Bobbeh	Posted - 2005.05.19 14:08:00 - [197] It is a ship setup thread, that is why. At the moment i use: 3x Modal Mega Neutron 4x Modal Megal Electron 1x Malkuth Siege 1x Quad Lif 1x Named Web 1x Named Scrambler 1x Electrochemical Cap Injector 1x Large Armor Rep II 3x N-type Hardeners 3x Mag Stab II I find that this can beat most ships 1v1. Raven's / Armageddons are tricky but you should pull through. I find the most important thing with the megathron is pushing the damage up high enough to break someones tank. After you have broken that tank every point of DPS you have extra is worth much more. For example, say a raven can repair 100 damage per second. You blasterthron setup with 2 damage mods does 125 DPS. Your setup with 3 damage mods does 150 DPS. You are only doing 20% more damage but you will get the ravens shields down in half the time. 3v3 and similar, fit another repairer. Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.05.19 14:42:00 - [198] so guys im currently training for large t2 guns, wich ones should i train for first? Blasters or Rails? I want to both PvP and PvE in a megathron. ______________________ Pod from above.
jamesw	Posted - 2005.05.19 15:24:00 - [199] If a fight starts at under 20km. (its up to you to make it start that way) 7 mega neutrons (best named u can afford, or t2 if it fits), large smarty 100mn ABII, 20k disrupt, 2 x sensor booster II 5 Damage Mods, 2 x 1600 Plates. Gives u ~12,000 armour and a hellish damage mod. No need to tank the incoming damage as the enemy will die VERY quickly. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.05.19 16:05:00 - [200] Originally by: Admiral Pieg so guys im currently training for large t2 guns, wich ones should i train for first? Blasters or Rails? I want to both PvP and PvE in a megathron. get rails first. They are so much more practicle. ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Kyska	Posted - 2005.05.21 03:08:00 - [201] Rails work, and work well. The problem is, you can't warp scamble from 60km away. Yes you can do enough damage to kill a raven before his torps catch up and kill you. However, theres no way to get him to stay in the same place. No, they don't, and no, you can't. Warp scrambling aside, a rail-a-thron cannot break the tank of a decent raven pilot (I don't mean a mission-n00b) before the mega pilot caps out, if using antimatter. If using a lower-damage ammo, a 100% damage rail-a-thron with 100% skills will not be able to take down a tanked raven in any amount of time even slightly reasonable. Once those torps start hitting, a full-damage mega WILL have to warp out. In short, the way it stands right now, the best rail-a-thron pilot in game can't take down a tanked raven with even a 'decent' pilot. Blasters may or may not be a different story. -Kyska
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.05.21 04:40:00 - [202] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Admiral Pieg so guys im currently training for large t2 guns, wich ones should i train for first? Blasters or Rails? I want to both PvP and PvE in a megathron. get rails first. They are so much more practicle. In what ways are they more practical? Keep in mind now that altough i said i wanted to both PvP and PvE the emphasis is on PvP. ______________________ Pod from above.
slip66	Posted - 2005.05.21 05:52:00 - [203] Originally by: JoCool NajZero got it to the point: It's live by the sword and die by the sword. About a setup, try to use a mix of 7 Electron/Ion Blasters, Cap Injector, Mwd, Web, Scrambler, 1 Large Accommodation, 1 Medium Armor Rep II, 3 Hardeners, 2 Magnetic stabs II yup proper setup WILL punch thru any apoc or raven setup. Its all about the range, setup the fight so your in 10k or less and you win hands down. NOTHING can tank you. If you have to travel into the range well your just rolling the dice depending on how far out you start and hope your skills are better then your opponets. The megas two best friends have to be either a jammer or covert ops.
Lorth	Posted - 2005.05.21 07:01:00 - [204] Edited by: Lorth on 21/05/2005 07:09:49 Originally by: Kyska Rails work, and work well. The problem is, you can't warp scamble from 60km away. Yes you can do enough damage to kill a raven before his torps catch up and kill you. However, theres no way to get him to stay in the same place. No, they don't, and no, you can't. Warp scrambling aside, a rail-a-thron cannot break the tank of a decent raven pilot (I don't mean a mission-n00b) before the mega pilot caps out, if using antimatter. If using a lower-damage ammo, a 100% damage rail-a-thron with 100% skills will not be able to take down a tanked raven in any amount of time even slightly reasonable. Once those torps start hitting, a full-damage mega WILL have to warp out. In short, the way it stands right now, the best rail-a-thron pilot in game can't take down a tanked raven with even a 'decent' pilot. Blasters may or may not be a different story. -Kyska I still begg to differ, you can run rails and anti matter, for a long time, even with only one or two cap rechargers. Add in the fact that you have at least a minute before the torps catch up, you can damage that raven enough to force him to warp out. And unless my math is horribly wrong, you are out damaging the ravens tank, even with out a full out gank set up. I come up with about 300 damage/second, against hardned shields. I put the raven at some where around a 1/4 armor before he starts doing damage to you, assuming he has hardeners, and a c5-l. This is useing the set up I'm flying at the moment, with tech 1 guns, with my skills, and not a full out gank set up. EDIT: This math was done using the calculater in windows XP, and after a few beers, Im nearly certain its right, but keep that in mind if its some how way off.
Edmund Duke	Posted - 2005.05.25 10:51:00 - [205] Edited by: Edmund Duke on 25/05/2005 10:52:03 Another Blasterthron setup... Hight slot: 3Ions blaster canon 3Regulated mega electron phase 2Heavy nos Med slot:* MWD Statis Scrambler Heavy capacitor booster, avec des cap 800 (4charger et 4 en soute). Low slot: Large armor reparer Medium armor reparer TII 2*hardener explosif Hardener kinetic Hardener thermic CPU TII And of course heavy drone ;)
Polarized	Posted - 2005.05.25 11:11:00 - [206] 7 Electron Blaster Cannon II 1 Heavy Diminishing Nosferatu 1 Hakim's Modified MWD (or Core X-type) 1 Domination Webifier 1 Domination Scrambler 1 Chelm's Modified Injector 1 Brynn's Modified Large Armor Repairer 1 True Sansha Large Armor Repairer 1 55% Explosive Hardener 1 55% Thermic Hardener 1 55% Kinetic Hardener 1 55% EM Hardener 2 Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer This all fits on my Navy Megathron
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.05.25 11:16:00 - [207] Originally by: Polarized 7 Electron Blaster Cannon II 1 Heavy Diminishing Nosferatu 1 Hakim's Modified MWD (or Core X-type) 1 Domination Webifier 1 Domination Scrambler 1 Chelm's Modified Injector 1 Brynn's Modified Large Armor Repairer 1 True Sansha Large Armor Repairer 1 55% Explosive Hardener 1 55% Thermic Hardener 1 55% Kinetic Hardener 1 55% EM Hardener 2 Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer This all fits on my Navy Megathron That's very nice, feel free to stroke it daily in its gold-plated hangar. Unless ofc you are going to take it out to play, in which case you are hereby invited to fly it over into Delve region and pwn us with it. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.05.25 11:26:00 - [208] Edited by: LUKEC on 25/05/2005 11:26:41 still, t2 modal electrons wont pwn apocs tank if you have only 2 dmg mods on. And no matter what tank you have, you won't kill geddon with t2 MPs(except if you start at 1000m, or have anti amarr tank)
Polarized	Posted - 2005.05.25 11:35:00 - [209] Originally by: Rod Blaine That's very nice, feel free to stroke it daily in its gold-plated hangar. Unless ofc you are going to take it out to play, in which case you are hereby invited to fly it over into Delve region and pwn us with it. I pvp with it, and I've killed with it :)
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.05.25 12:01:00 - [210] Originally by: Polarized Originally by: Rod Blaine That's very nice, feel free to stroke it daily in its gold-plated hangar. Unless ofc you are going to take it out to play, in which case you are hereby invited to fly it over into Delve region and pwn us with it. I pvp with it, and I've killed with it :) Good. I dilike people stroking their platinum plated officer modded BS's in yulai thinking they'd pwn in it but not daring to even undock cause of suicide kessies. The damage issue is right tho, and well tnaked apoc can withstand 7 electrons with just 2 damage mods, uber or not. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Loka	Posted - 2005.05.25 12:11:00 - [211] HI: 6xIon Cannon, Electron Cannon, heavy NOS MED: MWD, Webber, 7,5 scrambler, heavy Taped Inj LOW: 2x large AR, 3x dmg II, 2x Tracking Enhancer II 10x Wasp _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.05.25 12:31:00 - [212] 6x ion IIS 1x electron II 1xMWD 1xcap injector 1xweb 1xscram 1xlarge rep 3xhardners 3xdmg mods and yes i do have faction **** on it to allow it all to fit. wrecks for ~1150 or so, has a dmg mod just under 8 and a rof of just over 3.5. If anything can tank this setup, it deserves to live. The only problem is starting at range. Anything above 20km and dont even bother, just run away. As was said, covert ops is ur best friend. Start at ~5km and obliterate anything in a matter of seconds Ravens are atm still a problem. A fully loaded bane gank raven will toast u b4 his cap dies Forums: Sharks - MC
Loka	Posted - 2005.05.25 14:11:00 - [213] Originally by: Eyeshadow The only problem is starting at range. Anything above 20km and dont even bother, just run away. Managed to kill a Apoc 60km away from me :P He though he would kill me before i reached him. Well at least he was in my hull, when i arrived :D. But his drones werent able to finish me off, before i finished him PS: I love hatemails, they make my day ... hehe _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Killage	Posted - 2005.06.11 08:37:00 - [214] Seems to me from reading through this thread that the general consensus is that Ravens are just still too overpowered. Lets hope the missile changes make a difference. No Gheyvens for me thanks, I'm going for gunnery all the way baby
LordHong	Posted - 2005.06.11 09:31:00 - [215] um...missile changes are going to make ravens better than they curently are against battleships, they no longer have the problem of "aaarrrgh i'm dead and they've warped out before my first torp hit them" ----------------------------------------------- --No Apologies, No Regrets-- _(\_/)_ \_____/ Bunny pie anyone?
Ethan Tomlinson	Posted - 2005.07.27 19:37:00 - [216] Would this all fit and do well? Hi: 7 mega modal neutrons, 1 e500 cap drain medium: quad lif, true sansha heavy cap injector, fleeting webber, t2 target painter lows: t2 large armor repairer, t2 medium armor repairer, shadow serpentis explosive hardener, n-type kinetic, n-type thermic, t2 mag field stab, 1 true sansha RCU to me that sounds like it would do pretty good against any bs or a couple of hac's
Fuazzole	Posted - 2005.07.27 20:29:00 - [217] Edited by: Fuazzole on 27/07/2005 20:31:58 medium rep in pvp is a wasted slot my BS skills are ****, but on the test server i do better with just using as much plate as i can fit , armor reps are so slow for me its a buffer worth like 1.5 minutes of repair from 2 larg reps and save the cap for the mwd or an shield booster just to buffer more
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.07.27 21:15:00 - [218] Most people don't know this, but after you web your prey, and you're runing low on energy. You can offline the MWD and get a boost in core as a last ditch effert
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.07.27 21:17:00 - [219] Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 27/07/2005 21:18:36 Originally by: Killage Seems to me from reading through this thread that the general consensus is that Ravens are just still too overpowered. Lets hope the missile changes make a difference. No Gheyvens for me thanks, I'm going for gunnery all the way baby Actually, it made them strong. So, not only do they fire faster, harder, and still mix damage types up. They can still put 100% of their core into their tank Also, Knitic and Themral that is pretty much mixed even is crap. Espcially when everyone tanks them. Plz do put int he proposed ammo changes and make me thermal heavy.
DeathMarshellKerensky	Posted - 2005.08.05 01:41:00 - [220] Ok, im new to the game, but I have had alot of ideas as far as what i would like to do in the months to come. I do however have a question. Why dont i see much about rail guns, it seems its almost all blasters... Do railguns just suck later in the game since they have slow firing? Also, reading alot of stuff about ravens, it seems that ravens and apocs are really really strong, and the megathron isnt that great. At the same time im told that the ships are really balanced, this makes me wonder. Perhaps the Megathron can do more damage, or be more efficent, but only if it has assistance from a logistic ship. Turning that around, wouldnt that mean a raven or apoc with a logistics support would play god against a thron? So far in the game the ships seem really balanced, but again, from what i have read the Battleships seem like Amarr and Caldari have the supreme advantage. Finally, to end this, i was watching some player vids where i saw a thron and a raven get eaten by a single apoc, not to mention the scorpions and much more that were demolished.
Stuart85	Posted - 2005.08.05 03:58:00 - [221] Originally by: DeathMarshellKerensky Ok, im new to the game, but I have had alot of ideas as far as what i would like to do in the months to come. I do however have a question. Why dont i see much about rail guns, it seems its almost all blasters... Do railguns just suck later in the game since they have slow firing? Also, reading alot of stuff about ravens, it seems that ravens and apocs are really really strong, and the megathron isnt that great. At the same time im told that the ships are really balanced, this makes me wonder. Perhaps the Megathron can do more damage, or be more efficent, but only if it has assistance from a logistic ship. Turning that around, wouldnt that mean a raven or apoc with a logistics support would play god against a thron? So far in the game the ships seem really balanced, but again, from what i have read the Battleships seem like Amarr and Caldari have the supreme advantage. Finally, to end this, i was watching some player vids where i saw a thron and a raven get eaten by a single apoc, not to mention the scorpions and much more that were demolished. Hmm...thing are quite balanced in the battleship class anyway. Cruisers and HACs aren't, especially if your Caldari. The Thron, as far as I know, is still the ultimate close range battleship, but takes a lot of skills to use properly. There's nothing wrong with rails, but they don't take full advantage of the Megathrons main strength, and other ships can do the long-range gun-boat thing better than a Thron with rails does. For PvP, go for a short range blaster setup. As for the videos you saw, they may be old, or the ships may have been setup badly, or the pilots were new, or...or...you get the picture. There's too many variables to really make a proper judgement from a simple video. The Apoc is an excellent ships but there's no reason why a Thron couldn't hand it it's ass at close range. If you having doubts about going Gallente, don't. Gallante and Amarr are probably the favoured races at the moment. You have very good battleships in the Megathron and the Dominix, brilliant (maybe the best) HACs in the Deimos and Ishtar, and you have the best standard Cruiser, the Thorax. Yes, the Amarr are lucky bastards. When it comes to combat, they don't have any weak classes of ships! Grrr. But the way Eve changes constantly, they may not be that way for long. crosses fingers Swing the berf bat at the Amarr! Ahem. As for us Caldari, our Raven is the lone jewel. A brilliant vessel. The Scorp is good but highly specialised in it's EW role, I would rather have had another combat ship. Ah well. Our cruisers are rubbish and our HACs even more so. A lot of our ships don't know if they want to be missile boats or rail boats, they get a bonus to one while suiting the other and end up performing badly overall. Count yourself lucky. Caldari used to be seen as the 'no-brainer' race. That's now (has been for a long time if you ask me) the Amarr.
DARKKK	Posted - 2005.08.05 11:19:00 - [222] Missile patch came... and i still cannot break raven's tank with electrons. They even got boost skill, so their cap last longer, launcher price dropped, torps do more dmg / time. But my skills got up a little. Atm, my favorite is: 7x neutrons II AB, 2x web, scram 5x dmg mod, 1600mm plate, repper Those 2x webs have nice effect on HACs trying to get under guns. They die in few volleys
JoCool	Posted - 2005.08.05 13:18:00 - [223] That's probably not the most fortunate setup to face a Raven with, but as you said your intention was to hunt HACs with it.
Gronsak	Posted - 2005.09.10 22:19:00 - [224] so far 99% of the psots are , well to put it nicely, stupid they dont fit: CPU and/or PG probs they use faction stuff which isnt realistic fitting T2 guns onto a mega is near impossible: t2 electrons do less dmg than t1 cheap named neutrons, and u can fit both t2 ions can not be fitted without a a cpu mod: fit cheapo named or t1 ions and replace the cpu mod with a dmg mod = same thing t2 nautrons can be fitted at all without a cpu mod, in which case the ion story holds i wish i had skilled in t2 lasers rather than t2 hybrids i have yet to see anything setup on this thred that is better than the t1 neutron story /me is ****ed off that its impossible to fit a t2 mega
Lord Timelord	Posted - 2005.09.11 08:06:00 - [225] I'm currently 3 Wins & 1 Loss fighing in my Megathron against a Raven. The 1 loss was against a Navy Issue Raven, but I figured "what the hell..." and gave it a try. Here's my current Megathron Setup. Bear in Mind that I currently have over 17.5 Million Skillpoints to equip this setup, since I've been playing EVE for over 1.5 years. Not to mention that I have top of the line Tech II Implants in the five avaliable Hardwiring slots, which helps skills siginificantly. Hi-Slots: 7x - Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerators 1x - Named Nosferatau Med-Slots: 1x - 100MN MWD II 1x - Electrochemical Cap Injector w/800 Cap Charges 1x - Tracking Computer II (or) Named Webber (depends on target) 1x - Named Warp Scrambler Low-Slots: 1x - Large Armor Repairer II (800 Repair every 12 seconds with current skills) 4x - Named Active Armor Hardeners 1x - Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1x - Named Cap Relay Drones: 10x - Bezerker II's for explosive damage Normal hits are usually 175-350 damage, and wrecking hits are 1,100+ damage, and most ships fall to this onslaught quickly. Im my expierence, the Ravens get me deep into armor when they finally run out of cap. When they run out of cap (usually around 80-120 seconds), they are quickly incinerated. It is by no means a perfect setup, but it's the best that I've been able to shoehorn into the Mega so far. I was using 2x - Cap Recharger II's and a Disruptor before reading this thread. I've since put in the named Cap Injector, and have been able to last long enough in a battle for the enemies cap to run out. Any Gallente Pilot that armor tanks, needs to have Repair Systems and Armored Warfare up to Level 5. I consider these essential survival skills. __________ Visit GETCo's website at http://www.megathron.com
Paradox Eve	Posted - 2005.09.26 08:47:00 - [226] Edited by: Paradox Eve on 26/09/2005 08:50:21 "Passive aggressive" Megathron setup: You wont be running down poor NPCers in belts with this (sorry Mr. Pirate), but the idea is to either start close or force them to come to you. Mids: 2 x sensor dampeners 1 x scrambler 1 x AB/web/sensor booster With good skills, your dampners will force most BSs with a single sensor booster into NOS and blaster ranges. Also, clearly, saves you fitting and cap issues otherwise filled by MWD and Cap Boosters- so you can run a better tank/better blasters in thier place. And, of course, no worries about all the dmg you have to take getting to your target- you will take none.
Apoccolipse	Posted - 2005.10.11 19:36:00 - [227] I use same setup as timelord, find it very efficient if you use 1 em hardener and 2 therms when you are up agains a apoc or arma with any sort of lasers, although any ravens you come across can prove more interesting and may require you to fit explosive kinetic and thermal hardeners, which can sometimes be a pain if you are stuck at a pos while you change them
Ilmonstre	Posted - 2005.11.07 12:05:00 - [228] Originally by: siim Hey m8 if u cant punch through A Ravens shield or Apoc's armor ! Then u dont deserve a blasterthron m8. Easy as that Use a rax or Brutix until u have better skills dude hey siim i just wanted to say you suck and if its a raven pilot with torps and cap boosters you will be in a bit of trouble in a blasterthron
Ilmonstre M. Corp	Posted - 2005.11.07 12:05:00 - [229] Originally by: siim Hey m8 if u cant punch through A Ravens shield or Apoc's armor ! Then u dont deserve a blasterthron m8. Easy as that Use a rax or Brutix until u have better skills dude hey siim i just wanted to say you suck and if its a raven pilot with torps and cap boosters you will be in a bit of trouble in a blasterthron
suicide	Posted - 2005.11.07 12:49:00 - [230] my current megathron setup: High: 7 x Ion Blaster II Mid: Quad Lif Fueled MWD Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Battery Warp Scrambler X5 Prototype Webber Low: Large Armor Repairer II 3xHardeners (Thermal/Kinetic/Explosion) all T2, gives resistance of (60/59.5/70.75/70.75) 1600mm Nanofiber (only -5% to speed) and with those resistances and the total armor of 8612 i have a pretty decent tank) Megnetic Field Stabilizer T2 T2 cpu 10 x T2 Heavy Drones CPU Load: 755/756 PG Load: 17643/19375 Extra: 8mil SP in Hybrid Gunnery Armor/Cap skills maxed Gallente BS LVL5 MWD Skills nearly Maxed Soon having an alt Boosting my armor resistances/Armor repair cycle time, and he allready gives me a nice boost in locking time and speed of the ship, and a little boost in shield ( :P ) You currently have 133 skills and 27,309,454 skill points
suicide Caldari Synergy.	Posted - 2005.11.07 12:49:00 - [231] my current megathron setup: High: 7 x Ion Blaster II Mid: Quad Lif Fueled MWD Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Battery Warp Scrambler X5 Prototype Webber Low: Large Armor Repairer II 3xHardeners (Thermal/Kinetic/Explosion) all T2, gives resistance of (60/59.5/70.75/70.75) 1600mm Nanofiber (only -5% to speed) and with those resistances and the total armor of 8612 i have a pretty decent tank) Megnetic Field Stabilizer T2 T2 cpu 10 x T2 Heavy Drones CPU Load: 755/756 PG Load: 17643/19375 Extra: 8mil SP in Hybrid Gunnery Armor/Cap skills maxed Gallente BS LVL5 MWD Skills nearly Maxed Soon having an alt Boosting my armor resistances/Armor repair cycle time, and he allready gives me a nice boost in locking time and speed of the ship, and a little boost in shield ( :P ) You currently have 133 skills and 27,309,454 skill points
ReAPeRR	Posted - 2005.11.13 23:21:00 - [232] Having trouble with ravens? use a cloaking device and lightem up no need for a mwd to kill ur cap;p and no damage taken on ur way there lol
ReAPeRR	Posted - 2005.11.13 23:21:00 - [233] Having trouble with ravens? use a cloaking device and lightem up no need for a mwd to kill ur cap;p and no damage taken on ur way there lol
Lygos	Posted - 2005.11.13 23:29:00 - [234] This is like a thread out of a cheap slasher flick. It just keeps coming back. "Everything I love is combustible."
Lygos Finis Actum	Posted - 2005.11.13 23:29:00 - [235] This is like a thread out of a cheap slasher flick. It just keeps coming back. --- T2 Risk \| Corp Divisions
ChalSto	Posted - 2005.11.22 12:46:00 - [236] My current setup: 7X Reg-Electons; 1X Heavy-Nos Named-Webber, Named-Scrambler, Named-MWD, Named-CapBooster 2X T2-MagFieldStabs, 3X Named-ArmorHardeners, Med-Repper, Large-Repper 4m Skillpoints and a -3%Gun¦s-CPU-Implant. Fights started from 5-18km from Target -> Apoc down, Geddon down, Phoon down, Tempest down..........Raven? Test fight with a friend (he 1m Skillpoints less than me) and in optimal Range for me -> Mega down........... WHERE IS BALANCE??????????????? btw I avoid Scorps -> 99% all cases EW!!!
ChalSto The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2005.11.22 12:46:00 - [237] My current setup: 7X Reg-Electons; 1X Heavy-Nos Named-Webber, Named-Scrambler, Named-MWD, Named-CapBooster 2X T2-MagFieldStabs, 3X Named-ArmorHardeners, Med-Repper, Large-Repper 4m Skillpoints and a -3%Gun¦s-CPU-Implant. Fights started from 5-18km from Target -> Apoc down, Geddon down, Phoon down, Tempest down..........Raven? Test fight with a friend (he 1m Skillpoints less than me) and in optimal Range for me -> Mega down........... WHERE IS BALANCE??????????????? btw I avoid Scorps -> 99% all cases EW!!! Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
Jadeon	Posted - 2005.11.22 13:15:00 - [238] Originally by: ChalSto My current setup: Fights started from 5-18km from Target -> Apoc down, Geddon down, Phoon down, Tempest down..........Raven? Test fight with a friend (he 1m Skillpoints less than me) and in optimal Range for me -> Mega down........... WHERE IS BALANCE??????????????? Yep reading your kills it is obvious you need a nerf...
Jadeon Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2005.11.22 13:15:00 - [239] Originally by: ChalSto My current setup: Fights started from 5-18km from Target -> Apoc down, Geddon down, Phoon down, Tempest down..........Raven? Test fight with a friend (he 1m Skillpoints less than me) and in optimal Range for me -> Mega down........... WHERE IS BALANCE??????????????? Yep reading your kills it is obvious you need a nerf...
Kilpelainen	Posted - 2005.11.22 13:23:00 - [240] Originally by: Jadeon Originally by: ChalSto My current setup: Fights started from 5-18km from Target -> Apoc down, Geddon down, Phoon down, Tempest down..........Raven? Test fight with a friend (he 1m Skillpoints less than me) and in optimal Range for me -> Mega down........... WHERE IS BALANCE??????????????? Yep reading your kills it is obvious you need a nerf... Yes funny stuff. Btw. is med repper worth it. Adaptive nano or plate could be better but havn't tested it, mega i mean. ***
Kilpelainen FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2005.11.22 13:23:00 - [241] Originally by: Jadeon Originally by: ChalSto My current setup: Fights started from 5-18km from Target -> Apoc down, Geddon down, Phoon down, Tempest down..........Raven? Test fight with a friend (he 1m Skillpoints less than me) and in optimal Range for me -> Mega down........... WHERE IS BALANCE??????????????? Yep reading your kills it is obvious you need a nerf... Yes funny stuff. Btw. is med repper worth it. Adaptive nano or plate could be better but havn't tested it, mega i mean. *Member of the John Sheridan look-a-like club
ChalSto	Posted - 2005.11.22 13:53:00 - [242] found another "nice" setup 7X Mondal-Mega-Ion-Particle-Accelerator I, last slot free (useless on this setup -> no CPU left )-: Named-Webber, Named-Scrambler, LiF-Fueled-Booster-Rockets, Named-CapBooster 2X T2-MagFieldStabs, 3X N-Type ArmorHardeners, T2-Med-Repper, Large-Accom. Fitts with 4m Skillpoints and do a **** load of dmg. And I think after the patch (Cpa-Charges get halfed in size!!) you can maybe fit 2X Large-Accoms and can survive a Raven-DOOM for about.....hmm....let¦s say.......3-4min? Hope so... finger cross
ChalSto The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2005.11.22 13:53:00 - [243] found another "nice" setup 7X Mondal-Mega-Ion-Particle-Accelerator I, last slot free (useless on this setup -> no CPU left )-: Named-Webber, Named-Scrambler, LiF-Fueled-Booster-Rockets, Named-CapBooster 2X T2-MagFieldStabs, 3X N-Type ArmorHardeners, T2-Med-Repper, Large-Accom. Fitts with 4m Skillpoints and do a **** load of dmg. And I think after the patch (Cpa-Charges get halfed in size!!) you can maybe fit 2X Large-Accoms and can survive a Raven-DOOM for about.....hmm....let¦s say.......3-4min? Hope so... finger cross Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
Mtthias Clemi	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:09:00 - [244] this thread has lost usefullness for me becuase there are like 30 different set ups lol, what to choose! http://miniprofile.xfire.com/bg/sf/type/0/Mattias14.png Maximum signature image dimensions are 400*120 pixels - Udat
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:09:00 - [245] this thread has lost usefullness for me becuase there are like 30 different set ups lol, what to choose! -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:56:00 - [246] This thread is so old it predates the current eve patch version by about 6 months... I'd look for more recent suggestions, things change rather fast in eve sometimes. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.12.06 11:56:00 - [247] This thread is so old it predates the current eve patch version by about 6 months... I'd look for more recent suggestions, things change rather fast in eve sometimes. [center] Old blog
Dr Rane	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:43:00 - [248] Edited by: Dr Rane on 06/12/2005 14:43:23 Edit
Dr Rane Amarr	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:43:00 - [249] Edited by: Dr Rane on 06/12/2005 14:43:23 Edit Originally by: Oveur I'm Tuxford.
Emsigma	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:54:00 - [250] Edited by: Emsigma on 06/12/2005 14:55:08 Hrmz.. i tried something today: megat: 7x electron t2, 1x med nosf 1x mwd, 1x web, 1x scram, 1x heavy cap injector 2x large accos, 3x faction hardeners, 2x damage mods t2 arma: 7x dual pulse t2 1x web, 1x 20km scram, 1x heavy cap injector 2x large t2 reps, 3x faction hardeners, 3x damage mods t2 With these setups the geddon... ...has 4x the optimal and more fallocc ...has 10% more dps ...has more cap and better recharge ...has better tanking abilities (t2 reps > accos) ...has the same amount of drones Sooo... in what way is the megathron "the king of close up combat"? Test assumed same skills for both setups and a -3% cpu implant for turrets and the fact that you have 3x faction hardeners laying around cuz without them there is not one change in hell that you can fit a blasterthron in any way at all. All non faction/T2 mods are best named ---------- // emsigma
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2005.12.06 14:54:00 - [251] Edited by: Emsigma on 06/12/2005 14:55:08 Hrmz.. i tried something today: megat: 7x electron t2, 1x med nosf 1x mwd, 1x web, 1x scram, 1x heavy cap injector 2x large accos, 3x faction hardeners, 2x damage mods t2 arma: 7x dual pulse t2 1x web, 1x 20km scram, 1x heavy cap injector 2x large t2 reps, 3x faction hardeners, 3x damage mods t2 With these setups the geddon... ...has 4x the optimal and more fallocc ...has 10% more dps ...has more cap and better recharge ...has better tanking abilities (t2 reps > accos) ...has the same amount of drones Sooo... in what way is the megathron "the king of close up combat"? Test assumed same skills for both setups and a -3% cpu implant for turrets and the fact that you have 3x faction hardeners laying around cuz without them there is not one change in hell that you can fit a blasterthron in any way at all. All non faction/T2 mods are best named ---
Emsigma	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:22:00 - [252] And also tested now. Geddon held up 151 seconds running every module on auto. Megat held up 110 seconds running every module on auto except mwd which only fired once. During that time the geddon dealt 84k damage and repaired 19k armor During the same time the megat dealt 55k damage and repaired 13k armor But hey.. the megat is the king of close up combat ---------- // emsigma
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2005.12.06 15:22:00 - [253] Edited by: Emsigma on 06/12/2005 15:24:34 And also tested now. Geddon held up 151 seconds running every module on auto. Megat held up 110 seconds running every module on auto except mwd which only fired once. During that time the geddon dealt 84k raw damage and repaired 19k armor During the same time the megat dealt 55k raw damage and repaired 13k armor But hey.. the megat is the king of close up combat Edit: assuming the blasterthron could start to fire on the geddon at the same time as the geddon started to fire on the megat. ---
Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2005.12.06 16:25:00 - [254] I do not know anything about the megathron (except what I can look up in the items database), but I have one question ... is something like this possible ? hi: 5x large neutron blaster, 2x siege launcher, 1 heavy nosf mids and lows as needed ... again I have no clue how the mega works. ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum I realy liked my signature. Oh well ...
Hugh Ruka Caldari	Posted - 2005.12.06 16:25:00 - [255] I do not know anything about the megathron (except what I can look up in the items database), but I have one question ... is something like this possible ? hi: 5x large neutron blaster, 2x siege launcher, 1 heavy nosf mids and lows as needed ... again I have no clue how the mega works. Originally by: JP Beauregard The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
StarLite	Posted - 2005.12.06 17:04:00 - [256] Untill the mega gets within 15Km, the apoc wont hit jack all anyomore and his gun DPS will be very close to 0 :) ___________________________________________________
StarLite Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.12.06 17:04:00 - [257] Untill the mega gets within 15Km, the apoc wont hit jack all anyomore and his gun DPS will be very close to 0 :) _______________________________________________________________________ This sig is guarded by SigGuard(c)
Emsigma	Posted - 2005.12.06 18:46:00 - [258] This ** kept me ed the whole day... that the blasters are so stupidly worthless you have to fit faction ** to even get a full rack of the WORST blasters on... and then it is still inferior to any other bs in the game if set for blasters :( ---------- // emsigma
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2005.12.06 18:46:00 - [259] This ** kept me ed the whole day... that the blasters are so stupidly worthless you have to fit faction ** to even get a full rack of the WORST blasters on... and then it is still inferior to any other bs in the game if set for blasters :( ---
danneh	Posted - 2005.12.06 21:13:00 - [260] Originally by: Emsigma Edited by: Emsigma on 06/12/2005 14:55:08 Hrmz.. i tried something today: megat: 7x electron t2, 1x med nosf 1x mwd, 1x web, 1x scram, 1x heavy cap injector 2x large accos, 3x faction hardeners, 2x damage mods t2 arma: 7x dual pulse t2 1x web, 1x 20km scram, 1x heavy cap injector 2x large t2 reps, 3x faction hardeners, 3x damage mods t2 With these setups the geddon... ...has 4x the optimal and more fallocc ...has 10% more dps ...has more cap and better recharge ...has better tanking abilities (t2 reps > accos) ...has the same amount of drones Sooo... in what way is the megathron "the king of close up combat"? Test assumed same skills for both setups and a -3% cpu implant for turrets and the fact that you have 3x faction hardeners laying around cuz without them there is not one change in hell that you can fit a blasterthron in any way at all. All non faction/T2 mods are best named The geddon pilot was simple better then you?
danneh Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.12.06 21:13:00 - [261] Originally by: Emsigma Edited by: Emsigma on 06/12/2005 14:55:08 Hrmz.. i tried something today: megat: 7x electron t2, 1x med nosf 1x mwd, 1x web, 1x scram, 1x heavy cap injector 2x large accos, 3x faction hardeners, 2x damage mods t2 arma: 7x dual pulse t2 1x web, 1x 20km scram, 1x heavy cap injector 2x large t2 reps, 3x faction hardeners, 3x damage mods t2 With these setups the geddon... ...has 4x the optimal and more fallocc ...has 10% more dps ...has more cap and better recharge ...has better tanking abilities (t2 reps > accos) ...has the same amount of drones Sooo... in what way is the megathron "the king of close up combat"? Test assumed same skills for both setups and a -3% cpu implant for turrets and the fact that you have 3x faction hardeners laying around cuz without them there is not one change in hell that you can fit a blasterthron in any way at all. All non faction/T2 mods are best named The geddon pilot was simple better then you?
Rigsta	Posted - 2005.12.06 21:22:00 - [262] Originally by: Zavier Sozeron Low Slots - 1 x Large Inefficient Armour repairer( 660 HP per 13.5 sec cycle) A large accom or a Tech 2 repairer, along with a better armour repair systems skill to reduce the cycle time will make a difference here. Could be the difference you need seeing as they slowly overcome your tank. NOTE: No, I did not read all 6 pages!! ----------------------------------------------- My Ideas: Drones wish list <-- 2 years old :O
Rigsta Gallente Raddick Explorations NxT LeveL	Posted - 2005.12.06 21:22:00 - [263] Originally by: Zavier Sozeron Low Slots - 1 x Large Inefficient Armour repairer( 660 HP per 13.5 sec cycle) A large accom or a Tech 2 repairer, along with a better armour repair systems skill to reduce the cycle time will make a difference here. Could be the difference you need seeing as they slowly overcome your tank. NOTE: No, I did not read all 6 pages!! Originally by: Jim McGregor I felt the disturbance... it was like a million voices suddenly stopped whining for a second. Unfortunantly it then continued.
Emsigma	Posted - 2005.12.07 08:32:00 - [264] Edited by: Emsigma on 07/12/2005 08:32:19 Originally by: danneh The geddon pilot was simple better then you? Both chars had exactly the same fitting skills, mechanic, engineering skills and gunnery skills (lvl5 all fitting, lvl4 all cap, lvl4 spec and lvl4 bs) ---------- // emsigma
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2005.12.07 08:32:00 - [265] Edited by: Emsigma on 07/12/2005 08:32:19 Originally by: danneh The geddon pilot was simple better then you? Both chars had exactly the same fitting skills, mechanic, engineering skills and gunnery skills (lvl5 all fitting, lvl4 all cap, lvl4 spec and lvl4 bs) ---
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.07 10:20:00 - [266] probably better to not tank at all... Just fit 7x t2 neutrons and 7x dmg mods(6 and plate) AB t2, web, warp disruptor, sensor booster... and give 1bil isk to GOD that u end up at 4km :) Anyway i found out that blasterdomi works wonders for me.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.12.07 10:20:00 - [267] Edited by: LUKEC on 07/12/2005 10:27:18 probably better to not tank at all... Just fit 7x t2 neutrons and 7x dmg mods(6 and plate) AB t2, web, warp disruptor, sensor booster... and give 1bil isk to GOD that u end up at 4km :) anyway, armor tanks are not really problematic due to the slow 'healing' cycle, 2x LAR is quite impossible to fit on most ships... And you get into your optimal and they don't really hit THAT much. On the other hand, ravens still boost shields like crazy, have better resist and still hit you for full dmg. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
Emsigma	Posted - 2005.12.07 10:26:00 - [268] Exactly... the ONLY blaster setup that is somehow effective in combat is the gank.. which will be rendered useless after next patch :) ---------- // emsigma
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2005.12.07 10:26:00 - [269] Exactly... the ONLY blaster setup that is somehow effective in combat is the gank.. which will be rendered useless after next patch :) ---
Zolofine	Posted - 2005.12.12 09:54:00 - [270] The only setup that ever worked on a mega in pownall mode is a gank setup. What you are trying to accomplish here is to make the be all end all in close combat. When you think about it (and if ships are balanced as CCP claims) then this automatically results in one logical outcome for a setup... a gank setup. When you use a gank setup, the battle is won before you fight it (meaning you warp in at the right range etc, leave little to chance), simple as that. Btw, you were comparing a semi tank/gank setup to a total gank setup like a gankgeddon. Even with some armor repping/hardening in place, the tanking potential of a geddon sucks to say the least. Dies a cap death pretty fast and doesn't repair alot of damage when you look at it. EVE is a game of sizors/stone/paper. There is a counter for everything. A jack of all trades will always be beaten by a sizor/stone/paper setup in a pure 1v1 duel. Rig a gankthron, who needs reps anyways? Warp in close and dish out some ungodly damage. You don't even have to worry about running out of cap or overcoming another battleships tanks... nothing can tank the damage, not even a T2 resitance tank. But yah it's a risky setup, don't do your homework or get caught with your pants down and you'll be floating home in your egg. AS for the Raven VS thron debate. Same deal, gank it or float home. If you are going to mwd over to a raven while being tossed around by banes you might aswell warp out since that's what you'll be doing anyways, either with your ship and an ego dent, or in your egg, you pick ;-). Park right up next to a Raven, lock it fast and unleash hell. Badass setups require badass balls and are nothing like the typical 'sit outside scrambling range and take sniper potshot hoping to eventuall make a kill', this stuff is for larger battles where it doesn't even matter if you are tanked or not. The blasterthron is **** as a tank (even semi). A tanked mega is good for NPCing and smallish skirmishes (5-8 ships), in fleet battles it serves no prupose, neither in duels. I've seen semi tanked blasterthrons do amazing stuff in small skirmishes. Seen tanked railthrons do great against badass NPC rats. Never seen semi tanked blaster/railthrons do anything worth mentioning in a 1v1 or fleetbattle, other than blow up, warp out or get a lucky break on a nubpilot.
Zolofine Obsidian Inc.	Posted - 2005.12.12 09:54:00 - [271] The only setup that ever worked on a mega in pownall mode is a gank setup. What you are trying to accomplish here is to make the be all end all in close combat. When you think about it (and if ships are balanced as CCP claims) then this automatically results in one logical outcome for a setup... a gank setup. When you use a gank setup, the battle is won before you fight it (meaning you warp in at the right range etc, leave little to chance), simple as that. Btw, you were comparing a semi tank/gank setup to a total gank setup like a gankgeddon. Even with some armor repping/hardening in place, the tanking potential of a geddon sucks to say the least. Dies a cap death pretty fast and doesn't repair alot of damage when you look at it. EVE is a game of sizors/stone/paper. There is a counter for everything. A jack of all trades will always be beaten by a sizor/stone/paper setup in a pure 1v1 duel. Rig a gankthron, who needs reps anyways? Warp in close and dish out some ungodly damage. You don't even have to worry about running out of cap or overcoming another battleships tanks... nothing can tank the damage, not even a T2 resitance tank. But yah it's a risky setup, don't do your homework or get caught with your pants down and you'll be floating home in your egg. AS for the Raven VS thron debate. Same deal, gank it or float home. If you are going to mwd over to a raven while being tossed around by banes you might aswell warp out since that's what you'll be doing anyways, either with your ship and an ego dent, or in your egg, you pick ;-). Park right up next to a Raven, lock it fast and unleash hell. Badass setups require badass balls and are nothing like the typical 'sit outside scrambling range and take sniper potshot hoping to eventuall make a kill', this stuff is for larger battles where it doesn't even matter if you are tanked or not. The blasterthron is **** as a tank (even semi). A tanked mega is good for NPCing and smallish skirmishes (5-8 ships), in fleet battles it serves no prupose, neither in duels. I've seen semi tanked blasterthrons do amazing stuff in small skirmishes. Seen tanked railthrons do great against badass NPC rats. Never seen semi tanked blaster/railthrons do anything worth mentioning in a 1v1 or fleetbattle, other than blow up, warp out or get a lucky break on a nubpilot.
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.12 11:32:00 - [272] mhm... i used to fly semi tanked thron... i might say quite sucessfully. Just you have to avoid certain situations. Now i found better way to fry.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.12.12 11:32:00 - [273] mhm... i used to fly semi tanked thron... i might say quite sucessfully. Just you have to avoid certain situations. Now i found better way to fry. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
ChalSto	Posted - 2006.01.18 12:20:00 - [274] Fact: There is NO chance for a megathron to kill a dezent raven.....never ever.... A raven can tank and gank at the same time (due to the fact, that launchers don¦t need cap). Blasterthron will die......he can¦t never ever punch through a normal raven¦s shield-tank (too high kin/therm resistance) and after 2min the blasterthorn is dead (faster with everything higher than Caldari-BS L4). Railathron can¦t punch though a raven¦s shield-tank............blasters dish out more and faster dmg than rail.......so why you should do more dmg with rails? But with a crazy setup you can kill ravens wth a megathron 6X Large-NOS, 2X Siege-Launchers + Heavy-Tank (2 Large- repper). Fit it, like you will fit a vampire-domi. dmg is crappish, and the raven pilot will laugh at you the first minute. But after the 2nd minute he¦ll realize, that he¦s out of cap and that you tank all his dmg...............and you will still own him with 2 lanchers.........funny as hell
Eight Ace	Posted - 2006.01.18 12:42:00 - [275] Yeah I have had sucess on test vs ravens using .. 4 x modal mega ion blaster 4 x e500 energy vamp 1 x web of some sort 1 x 20KM scram 2 x cap recharger II ( or 1 and a 100mn AB ) 2 x large armor rep II 2 x energized reactive nano 1 x energized adaptive nano 1 x energized thermal nano 1 x energized kinetic nano drones. Same deal as the poster above. The raven pilot starts out laughing then when he works out that he can't break your tank and he's running out of boosters, he's scrambled, webbed and the damage is very slowly wearing his shields down he kinda realises that it's not going to be a good day. If he starts at about 20KM away from you without the AB fitted it's slooooow to catch him but you will cause the thron is very slightly faster than the raven. On tranq he would be able to call in reinforcements from a long way away before he goes down but then again, so can you. There was one guy on test who completely raped this setup but he admitted afterwards to having 6M points in missiles, I think I had changed a low as well leaving a weak spot in the tank. Best thing is you can get this setup for 1.49 isk. Girruz 1.49 isk forra ship.
Dro	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:47:00 - [276] I dont know what some people in this thread have been smoking but a half decent blasterthron will tear a raven up. Myself and a few corp mates where engaged by a blaster mega, he engaged our ceo who was flying a raven(his skills are good..T2 shield tank, T2 torps etc.) this mega was a beast.. we killed it but our raven was well into structure when the mega went down. had it been 1v1 there wouldnt have been much contest. Not 100% sure on all the megas fitting but he did have. 7xLarge Neutron II's, 3x1600mm rolled tungsten, Damage control II, no Rep and mag stabs out the ass. for the record we had a Raven, nano Phoon and 2 thorax's in the fight. - Dro
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:50:00 - [277] N-n-n-n-n-necro! -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" Might As well Train Another Race
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:51:00 - [278] Originally by: Dro I dont know what some people in this thread have been smoking but a half decent blasterthron will tear a raven up. Myself and a few corp mates where engaged by a blaster mega, he engaged our ceo who was flying a raven(his skills are good..T2 shield tank, T2 torps etc.) this mega was a beast.. we killed it but our raven was well into structure when the mega went down. had it been 1v1 there wouldnt have been much contest. Not 100% sure on all the megas fitting but he did have. 7xLarge Neutron II's, 3x1600mm rolled tungsten, Damage control II, no Rep and mag stabs out the ass. for the record we had a Raven, nano Phoon and 2 thorax's in the fight. - Dro Original post = in 2004. Last post before you = over a year ago. Wave to the people that will randomly bump this in 2009!
Dro	Posted - 2007.04.06 02:00:00 - [279] aww cmon i thought the classics where the best.
Xianthar STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.06 02:22:00 - [280] Originally by: Fire Hawk Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:27:05 Edited by: Fire Hawk on 23/12/2004 20:26:27 My 1on1 thron setup is : - 3x Mega Modal Neutron's (Antimatter or Ura) - 2x Mega Modal Ion's - 2x Cruise Arba's (FoF Cruise in case of ECM) - 1x Heavy Smarty - 1x XL C5 - 1x FRX Heavy Cap (4 800 charges + 4 in cargohold) - 1x 90% Web - 1x Quad-Lif MWD - 1 RCU II - 1 CPU II - 1 Med Armor Rep II - 3 Magnetic Dmg Mod II Specialy designed for 1vs1, if u catch a BS, he's just dead :) That setup assume u not tanked but no need to, u can beat any BS before he gets u on armor. MWD to him, Web him, Fire, and keep bumping him to prevent him to align to warp, and before he can understand something kill him. That's a piece of cake that setup just made me spit milk out of my nose Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])

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