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Kilpelainen
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2005.11.22 13:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Jadeon
Originally by: ChalSto
My current setup:
Fights started from 5-18km from Target -> Apoc down, Geddon down, Phoon down, Tempest down..........Raven? Test fight with a friend (he 1m Skillpoints less than me) and in optimal Range for me -> Mega down...........
WHERE IS BALANCE???????????????
Yep reading your kills it is obvious you need a nerf...
Yes funny stuff.
Btw. is med repper worth it. Adaptive nano or plate could be better but havn't tested it, mega i mean. 
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2005.11.22 13:53:00 -
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found another "nice" setup
7X Mondal-Mega-Ion-Particle-Accelerator I, last slot free (useless on this setup -> no CPU left )-:
Named-Webber, Named-Scrambler, LiF-Fueled-Booster-Rockets, Named-CapBooster
2X T2-MagFieldStabs, 3X N-Type ArmorHardeners, T2-Med-Repper, Large-Accom.
Fitts with 4m Skillpoints and do a **** load of dmg. And I think after the patch (Cpa-Charges get halfed in size!!) you can maybe fit 2X Large-Accoms and can survive a Raven-DOOM for about.....hmm....let¦s say.......3-4min? *Hope so...* *finger cross*
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ChalSto
The Galactic Empire
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2005.11.22 13:53:00 -
[243]
found another "nice" setup
7X Mondal-Mega-Ion-Particle-Accelerator I, last slot free (useless on this setup -> no CPU left )-:
Named-Webber, Named-Scrambler, LiF-Fueled-Booster-Rockets, Named-CapBooster
2X T2-MagFieldStabs, 3X N-Type ArmorHardeners, T2-Med-Repper, Large-Accom.
Fitts with 4m Skillpoints and do a **** load of dmg. And I think after the patch (Cpa-Charges get halfed in size!!) you can maybe fit 2X Large-Accoms and can survive a Raven-DOOM for about.....hmm....let¦s say.......3-4min? *Hope so...* *finger cross*
Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
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Mtthias Clemi
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Posted - 2005.12.06 11:09:00 -
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this thread has lost usefullness for me becuase there are like 30 different set ups lol, what to choose!
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2005.12.06 11:09:00 -
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this thread has lost usefullness for me becuase there are like 30 different set ups lol, what to choose!
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.06 11:56:00 -
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This thread is so old it predates the current eve patch version by about 6 months...
I'd look for more recent suggestions, things change rather fast in eve sometimes.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2005.12.06 11:56:00 -
[247]
This thread is so old it predates the current eve patch version by about 6 months...
I'd look for more recent suggestions, things change rather fast in eve sometimes.
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Dr Rane
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Posted - 2005.12.06 14:43:00 -
[248]
Edited by: Dr Rane on 06/12/2005 14:43:23
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Dr Rane
Amarr
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Posted - 2005.12.06 14:43:00 -
[249]
Edited by: Dr Rane on 06/12/2005 14:43:23
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Originally by: Oveur
I'm Tuxford.
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2005.12.06 14:54:00 -
[250]
Edited by: Emsigma on 06/12/2005 14:55:08
Hrmz.. i tried something today:
megat:
7x electron t2, 1x med nosf
1x mwd, 1x web, 1x scram, 1x heavy cap injector
2x large accos, 3x faction hardeners, 2x damage mods t2
arma:
7x dual pulse t2
1x web, 1x 20km scram, 1x heavy cap injector
2x large t2 reps, 3x faction hardeners, 3x damage mods t2
With these setups the geddon...
...has 4x the optimal and more fallocc
...has 10% more dps
...has more cap and better recharge
...has better tanking abilities (t2 reps > accos)
...has the same amount of drones
Sooo... in what way is the megathron "the king of close up combat"?
Test assumed same skills for both setups and a -3% cpu implant for turrets and the fact that you have 3x faction hardeners laying around cuz without them there is not one change in hell that you can fit a blasterthron in any way at all.
All non faction/T2 mods are best named
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Emsigma
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2005.12.06 14:54:00 -
[251]
Edited by: Emsigma on 06/12/2005 14:55:08
Hrmz.. i tried something today:
megat:
7x electron t2, 1x med nosf
1x mwd, 1x web, 1x scram, 1x heavy cap injector
2x large accos, 3x faction hardeners, 2x damage mods t2
arma:
7x dual pulse t2
1x web, 1x 20km scram, 1x heavy cap injector
2x large t2 reps, 3x faction hardeners, 3x damage mods t2
With these setups the geddon...
...has 4x the optimal and more fallocc
...has 10% more dps
...has more cap and better recharge
...has better tanking abilities (t2 reps > accos)
...has the same amount of drones
Sooo... in what way is the megathron "the king of close up combat"?
Test assumed same skills for both setups and a -3% cpu implant for turrets and the fact that you have 3x faction hardeners laying around cuz without them there is not one change in hell that you can fit a blasterthron in any way at all.
All non faction/T2 mods are best named
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2005.12.06 15:22:00 -
[252]
And also tested now.
Geddon held up 151 seconds running every module on auto.
Megat held up 110 seconds running every module on auto except mwd which only fired once.
During that time the geddon dealt 84k damage and repaired 19k armor
During the same time the megat dealt 55k damage and repaired 13k armor
But hey.. the megat is the king of close up combat
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Emsigma
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2005.12.06 15:22:00 -
[253]
Edited by: Emsigma on 06/12/2005 15:24:34
And also tested now.
Geddon held up 151 seconds running every module on auto.
Megat held up 110 seconds running every module on auto except mwd which only fired once.
During that time the geddon dealt 84k raw damage and repaired 19k armor
During the same time the megat dealt 55k raw damage and repaired 13k armor
But hey.. the megat is the king of close up combat
Edit: assuming the blasterthron could start to fire on the geddon at the same time as the geddon started to fire on the megat.
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2005.12.06 16:25:00 -
[254]
I do not know anything about the megathron (except what I can look up in the items database), but I have one question ... is something like this possible ?
hi: 5x large neutron blaster, 2x siege launcher, 1 heavy nosf
mids and lows as needed ... again I have no clue how the mega works.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
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Posted - 2005.12.06 16:25:00 -
[255]
I do not know anything about the megathron (except what I can look up in the items database), but I have one question ... is something like this possible ?
hi: 5x large neutron blaster, 2x siege launcher, 1 heavy nosf
mids and lows as needed ... again I have no clue how the mega works.
Originally by: JP Beauregard
The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls.... 
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StarLite
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Posted - 2005.12.06 17:04:00 -
[256]
Untill the mega gets within 15Km, the apoc wont hit jack all anyomore and his gun DPS will be very close to 0 :)
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StarLite
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2005.12.06 17:04:00 -
[257]
Untill the mega gets within 15Km, the apoc wont hit jack all anyomore and his gun DPS will be very close to 0 :)
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2005.12.06 18:46:00 -
[258]
This **** kept me ****ed the whole day... that the blasters are so stupidly worthless you have to fit faction **** to even get a full rack of the WORST blasters on... and then it is still inferior to any other bs in the game if set for blasters :(
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Emsigma
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2005.12.06 18:46:00 -
[259]
This **** kept me ****ed the whole day... that the blasters are so stupidly worthless you have to fit faction **** to even get a full rack of the WORST blasters on... and then it is still inferior to any other bs in the game if set for blasters :(
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.12.06 21:13:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Emsigma
Edited by: Emsigma on 06/12/2005 14:55:08
Hrmz.. i tried something today:
megat:
7x electron t2, 1x med nosf
1x mwd, 1x web, 1x scram, 1x heavy cap injector
2x large accos, 3x faction hardeners, 2x damage mods t2
arma:
7x dual pulse t2
1x web, 1x 20km scram, 1x heavy cap injector
2x large t2 reps, 3x faction hardeners, 3x damage mods t2
With these setups the geddon...
...has 4x the optimal and more fallocc
...has 10% more dps
...has more cap and better recharge
...has better tanking abilities (t2 reps > accos)
...has the same amount of drones
Sooo... in what way is the megathron "the king of close up combat"?
Test assumed same skills for both setups and a -3% cpu implant for turrets and the fact that you have 3x faction hardeners laying around cuz without them there is not one change in hell that you can fit a blasterthron in any way at all.
All non faction/T2 mods are best named
The geddon pilot was simple better then you?
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danneh
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2005.12.06 21:13:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Emsigma
Edited by: Emsigma on 06/12/2005 14:55:08
Hrmz.. i tried something today:
megat:
7x electron t2, 1x med nosf
1x mwd, 1x web, 1x scram, 1x heavy cap injector
2x large accos, 3x faction hardeners, 2x damage mods t2
arma:
7x dual pulse t2
1x web, 1x 20km scram, 1x heavy cap injector
2x large t2 reps, 3x faction hardeners, 3x damage mods t2
With these setups the geddon...
...has 4x the optimal and more fallocc
...has 10% more dps
...has more cap and better recharge
...has better tanking abilities (t2 reps > accos)
...has the same amount of drones
Sooo... in what way is the megathron "the king of close up combat"?
Test assumed same skills for both setups and a -3% cpu implant for turrets and the fact that you have 3x faction hardeners laying around cuz without them there is not one change in hell that you can fit a blasterthron in any way at all.
All non faction/T2 mods are best named
The geddon pilot was simple better then you?
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Rigsta
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Posted - 2005.12.06 21:22:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Zavier Sozeron
Low Slots - 1 x Large Inefficient Armour repairer( 660 HP per 13.5 sec cycle)
A large accom or a Tech 2 repairer, along with a better armour repair systems skill to reduce the cycle time will make a difference here. Could be the difference you need seeing as they *slowly* overcome your tank.
NOTE: No, I did not read all 6 pages!!
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Rigsta
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2005.12.06 21:22:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Zavier Sozeron
Low Slots - 1 x Large Inefficient Armour repairer( 660 HP per 13.5 sec cycle)
A large accom or a Tech 2 repairer, along with a better armour repair systems skill to reduce the cycle time will make a difference here. Could be the difference you need seeing as they *slowly* overcome your tank.
NOTE: No, I did not read all 6 pages!!
Originally by: Jim McGregor
I felt the disturbance... it was like a million voices suddenly stopped whining for a second. Unfortunantly it then continued.
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2005.12.07 08:32:00 -
[264]
Edited by: Emsigma on 07/12/2005 08:32:19
Originally by: danneh
The geddon pilot was simple better then you?
Both chars had exactly the same fitting skills, mechanic, engineering skills and gunnery skills (lvl5 all fitting, lvl4 all cap, lvl4 spec and lvl4 bs)
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Emsigma
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2005.12.07 08:32:00 -
[265]
Edited by: Emsigma on 07/12/2005 08:32:19
Originally by: danneh
The geddon pilot was simple better then you?
Both chars had exactly the same fitting skills, mechanic, engineering skills and gunnery skills (lvl5 all fitting, lvl4 all cap, lvl4 spec and lvl4 bs)
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.12.07 10:20:00 -
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probably better to not tank at all...
Just fit 7x t2 neutrons and 7x dmg mods(6 and plate)
AB t2, web, warp disruptor, sensor booster...
and give 1bil isk to GOD that u end up at 4km :)
Anyway i found out that blasterdomi works wonders for me.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2005.12.07 10:20:00 -
[267]
Edited by: LUKEC on 07/12/2005 10:27:18
probably better to not tank at all...
Just fit 7x t2 neutrons and 7x dmg mods(6 and plate)
AB t2, web, warp disruptor, sensor booster...
and give 1bil isk to GOD that u end up at 4km :)
anyway, armor tanks are not really problematic due to the slow 'healing' cycle, 2x LAR is quite impossible to fit on most ships... And you get into your optimal and they don't really hit THAT much. On the other hand, ravens still boost shields like crazy, have better resist and still hit you for full dmg.
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2005.12.07 10:26:00 -
[268]
Exactly... the ONLY blaster setup that is somehow effective in combat is the gank.. which will be rendered useless after next patch :)
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Emsigma
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2005.12.07 10:26:00 -
[269]
Exactly... the ONLY blaster setup that is somehow effective in combat is the gank.. which will be rendered useless after next patch :)
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Zolofine
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Posted - 2005.12.12 09:54:00 -
[270]
The only setup that ever worked on a mega in pownall mode is a gank setup. What you are trying to accomplish here is to make the be all end all in close combat. When you think about it (and if ships are balanced as CCP claims) then this automatically results in one logical outcome for a setup... a gank setup. When you use a gank setup, the battle is won before you fight it (meaning you warp in at the right range etc, leave little to chance), simple as that.
Btw, you were comparing a semi tank/gank setup to a total gank setup like a gankgeddon. Even with some armor repping/hardening in place, the tanking potential of a geddon sucks to say the least. Dies a cap death pretty fast and doesn't repair alot of damage when you look at it.
EVE is a game of sizors/stone/paper. There is a counter for everything. A jack of all trades will always be beaten by a sizor/stone/paper setup in a pure 1v1 duel. Rig a gankthron, who needs reps anyways? Warp in close and dish out some ungodly damage. You don't even have to worry about running out of cap or overcoming another battleships tanks... nothing can tank the damage, not even a T2 resitance tank. But yah it's a risky setup, don't do your homework or get caught with your pants down and you'll be floating home in your egg.
AS for the Raven VS thron debate. Same deal, gank it or float home. If you are going to mwd over to a raven while being tossed around by banes you might aswell warp out since that's what you'll be doing anyways, either with your ship and an ego dent, or in your egg, you pick ;-). Park right up next to a Raven, lock it fast and unleash hell. Badass setups require badass balls and are nothing like the typical 'sit outside scrambling range and take sniper potshot hoping to eventuall make a kill', this stuff is for larger battles where it doesn't even matter if you are tanked or not. The blasterthron is **** as a tank (even semi). A tanked mega is good for NPCing and smallish skirmishes (5-8 ships), in fleet battles it serves no prupose, neither in duels.
I've seen semi tanked blasterthrons do amazing stuff in small skirmishes. Seen tanked railthrons do great against badass NPC rats. Never seen semi tanked blaster/railthrons do anything worth mentioning in a 1v1 or fleetbattle, other than blow up, warp out or get a lucky break on a nubpilot. |
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