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T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:14:00 - [1] Edited by: T''Amber on 21/05/2010 19:21:22 Greetings, I have this idea. It requires 300bil isk, and I can't tell you what its for, but I can guarantee it will be entertaining and evewide. Things to note: This is extemely hi-risk You'll probably get none of your isk back. All donators will be included in the credits of said event. The Event is non-profit Investments can be sent ingame to the character "event registration". -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
db T M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:15:00 - [2] Edited by: db T on 21/05/2010 19:16:39 ... because... Begging isn't allowed on the forums hth
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:26:00 - [3] Originally by: db T Begging isn't allowed on the forums hth Its not begging, its an investment into our community and eve. If you don't trust me don't invest, simple as that - I also will be putting isk into the fund. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Sikander 2 Caldari Vivicide Vivisection.	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:31:00 - [4] Money sent; not much but more will follow when i have it. To the naysayers, t'amber is a well trusted member of the community; check out the SOE events. Just my 0.02 isk Sikander 2 - as useless as the duck-billed platypus
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:34:00 - [5] So this is what rep grinding gets you? Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Ray McCormack So this is what rep grinding gets you? I don't understand your statement completely, expand your thoughts some more please. My reputation is required to make this possible yes, but I'm not sure about the rest. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:50:00 - [7] Edited by: Estel Arador on 21/05/2010 19:55:13 Could you elaborate on the "high risk" and "probably" not getting returns? Is it simply "not getting returns at all"? How is this an investment? Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Zea Aestria	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:54:00 - [8] Originally by: T'Amber Investments must be sent ingame to the character "event registration", no reason is required The character "event registrations"'s full api will also be made available if the EULA allows it. Could you please clarify if the character is "event registration" singular or "event registrations" plural?
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Zea Aestria Could you please clarify if the character is "event registration" singular or "event registrations" plural? Thanks Zea! Fixed. Originally by: Estel Arador Could you elaborate on the "high risk" and "probably" not getting returns? The interest in the event may be completly non-existant, resulting in all assets and prizes bought for said event being resold and returned to investors - which could be of an amount less than purchased. Originally by: Estel Arador Is it simply "not getting returns at all"? How is this an investment? I'll make this more obvious on the post. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:07:00 - [10] So why not change the term "investment" for "donation" to prevent any misconceptions? Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Corcyrus Endymion	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:24:00 - [11] Edited by: Corcyrus Endymion on 21/05/2010 20:25:41 Originally by: T'Amber Edited by: T''Amber on 21/05/2010 20:05:35 Current Investments: 128,950,489.58isk Transactions: 2 Greetings, I require 300bil isk for an Events fund, and although I can't divulge any details as to what event the isk is for, I can guarantee that it will be entertaining and evewide. Seriously: Send me 300b isk and Ill send double back! Even in the most positive of cases this is not a MD post. It's more of a... mmmm.. Things to note: This is extemely hi-risk You'll probably get none of your isk back. All donators will be included in the credits of said event. The Event will be non-profit and free for anyone to enter All size investments are accepted and appreciated Investments of any size can be sent ingame to the character "event registration", no reason is required Be aware that at some stage all transactions to this character will be made available to the public, if you wish to remain anon convo me personally. Er.. So What does my investment get me? The return on your investment will not be in isk, your return on your investment will be the joy of contributing to the communinty filtered and funnelled through me. If this sounds ridiculous to you, thats cool - dont invest, but feel free to comment below. Who am I? What do I do, and wtf? I spend most of my time ingame setting up, designing and running non-profit and free events for New Eden pilots under the banner "Ships Of Eve". Not all of them have been successful, but they're all entertaining on some level. My goal and reason for working so hard for nothing is that I love this game, and I'd like to keep people interested and playing it. You can contact me any time you wish, or join my chat channel "www.shipsofeve.com" to find out more info. Tracking Donations I am in the process of adding a live page for tracking all wallet transactions on my website, which should be functional this weekend. The character "event registration"'s full api will also be made available if the EULA allows it, she is in the "ships of eve" corporation at present. -T'amber CEO www.shipsofeve.com tl;dr I got me some rep and am now trying to get out with the maximum possible profit?!
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:29:00 - [12] Originally by: Ray McCormack So why not change the term "investment" for "donation" to prevent any misconceptions? Included. Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion I got me some rep and am now trying to get out with the maximum possible profit?! As you don't know me personally this may seem true, but this is not the case. I've already given all my obtained wealth to some of the community - if I'd wanted the isk then I'd have kept it. I sincerly would like to keep contributing to the community and I'd love to do so on a grander scale. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Alexi Blue Serra Technologies	Posted - 2010.05.21 20:51:00 - [13] I have been lurking around MD forums for almost 3 years now and in that time I don't think we have ever seen an attempt to raise this much ISK before (?) - not including things like EBank. Yet you are not only trying to get 300B, but stating that 'investors' probably won't get much of anything in return... Regardless of what your true intentions are, I think you are being extremely optimistic with this. --- Serra Blueprint Store
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.21 21:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Alexi Blue Regardless of what your true intentions are, I think you are being extremely optimistic with this. Event scalage is expected - I'm experienced in compeltely ridiculous sized ventures. I will also be putting isk into the fund, although seeing as I'm down about 200bil or so it may not be much to start. I'm also expecting this to last for some time. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Anaxis Muntaine Black Bridge Services	Posted - 2010.05.21 21:29:00 - [15] T'Amber - you must agree that this has all the trappings of an effort at an epic scam - using your well-built earned reputation and picking this as your moment to capitalize and run with billions... I admit, if it worked, it would be praiseowrthy, but you do see the inherent problem..?
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.21 21:33:00 - [16] Edited by: T''Amber on 21/05/2010 21:33:46 Originally by: Anaxis Muntaine T'Amber - you must agree that this has all the trappings of an effort at an epic scam - using your well-built earned reputation and picking this as your moment to capitalize and run with billions... I admit, if it worked, it would be praiseowrthy, but you do see the inherent problem..? no. edit: Once you see what I've designed and planned you'll understand better methinks. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Vitamin B12 Ninjadeathkitty	Posted - 2010.05.21 21:46:00 - [17] Edited by: Vitamin B12 on 21/05/2010 21:51:47 hmm now the imense amount of topics about just SOMETHING by t'amber make sense. EDIT: i dont want to say its a scam. but i will follow the result.
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.05.21 21:54:00 - [18] Originally by: T'Amber I require 300bil isk for an Events fund, and although I can't divulge any details as to what event the isk is for, I can guarantee that it will be entertaining and evewide. Spend your own isk, not other people's? Given how well known you are I wouldn't be surprised if you had ten times the amount you're asking for tbh.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.05.21 22:12:00 - [19] You know even if you get 300B and scam it all, Ricdic still has you beat... Just saying. Amarr for Life
flakeys DRAMA Inc	Posted - 2010.05.21 22:14:00 - [20] Originally by: SencneS You know even if you get 300B and scam it all, Ricdic still has you beat... Just saying. Still 6 times more then curzon ... just saying.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.21 22:39:00 - [21] I'm sincerely concerned about your mental well being if you think this is in anyway a viable proposition. Put your pie in the sky proposal up against recent successful capital acquisitions and you might start to see the folly of your intentions. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
L'Petit Object	Posted - 2010.05.21 22:51:00 - [22] I'll send 2 mil when I get home from work. Hey guys> Seems pretty legit. As individuals I'm sure we have some change we can throw at this.
Kaya Divine Gallente Kittens Factory	Posted - 2010.05.21 23:03:00 - [23] Not interested. Just because I needed to block multiple characters who spammed channels on which I was present with vote for T'Amber msg. Shoot your shot...
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.05.21 23:06:00 - [24] I'm acutally amazed of the number of people that think a donation results in getting their ISK back This is a donation!! Says it in right in the first post! T-Amber is not looking for investments, though I'm not sure why she included that word in it. She is doing a fundraising drive to be able to do more giveaways. The only real risk is that she doesn't use it for giveaways and runs with the ISK, and since it's a donation, who cares?
Asik Rova	Posted - 2010.05.21 23:17:00 - [25] Edited by: Asik Rova on 21/05/2010 23:17:36 i sense a curzon style scam. . . good luck T! ill invest 20mil :D
Drexciyian The Water Margin Tech	Posted - 2010.05.21 23:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Ray McCormack So this is what rep grinding gets you? Look where it got ebank
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2010.05.22 00:20:00 - [27] Reported Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Daisuke Aoki Gallente Independent Coalition Primary.	Posted - 2010.05.22 00:29:00 - [28] I'm not even sure a lot of alliances have 300 billion on hand.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.05.22 00:30:00 - [29] I may be out of touch, but: 1. Who are you? 2. What do you do? 3. If you have a good/great rep, how did you earn it?
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 01:03:00 - [30] Curzon Reloaded.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2010.05.22 01:34:00 - [31] ..The donation aspect is what you really need to stress, T'Amber. Even me and you got into it once, I'll throw some isk your way. Not because I think T'Amber will award with with fame and riches, but because IF this is not a scam, I would love to see what kind of Eve-wide event you could pull off with 300b. The one time this isn't a scam makes up for the 9 times that it is.
W3370Pi4 ExoGeni Laboratories	Posted - 2010.05.22 02:15:00 - [32] mkay will see how i participate to that :D
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2010.05.22 03:45:00 - [33] Deoending on how much effort is involved, if you need a 3rd party I might be willing to help out.
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.22 06:29:00 - [34] Originally by: Breaker77 This is a donation!! Says it in right in the first post! T-Amber is not looking for investments, though I'm not sure why she included that word in it. She is doing a fundraising drive to be able to do more giveaways. To me its both; If you aren't interested in actually taking part in the event I have planned or do you care about what it will be then you're donating. Donating is expecting nothing in return. If do want to take part, have an interest in the community, or are just curious as to what the hell this is about, you'll be investing. Although it is possible that a portion of the isk sent will be used in other investments to boost the fund I haven't got any plans currently to do so as I have absolutely no time free atm. Originally by: Kaya Divine Not interested. Just because I needed to block multiple characters who spammed channels on which I was present with vote for T'Amber msg. Thats what the block button is for, however saying that anyone who promotes anything for me has strict guidelines for the amount of posts and pastes they can make. If they follow the rules I give them they should be posting alot less than all the other spahm - Once every 10mins in a local, and once every 15mins in a relevant trade channel. Originally by: omgfreemoniez Spend your own isk, not other people's? Given how well known you are I wouldn't be surprised if you had ten times the amount you're asking for tbh. Gave almost all of it away. Although I don't have exact amounts I think its around 450bil in prizes and gifts given to pilots in total, with about 150bil or so of that given outside of SOE main events. I'll reply to some of the other posts when I get back from work. -T'amber. SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Bad Bobby The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2010.05.22 07:42:00 - [35] May I suggest that the first free event you carry out after raising 300b is to deploy can-art outside each of the major trade hub stations spelling out LOLZ SCAMZORED!!111? Also, post screenies in this thread.
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2010.05.22 07:49:00 - [36] unsure whether T'Amber is merely a bit naive in his proposal or if he has a even more depressing view of the average MD reader/investor than I do... anyways... reported OP for begging
Xenofarion Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.22 08:05:00 - [37] LOL @ MD People taking this all way too seriously. Really, all T'Amber Events til now have delivered some major lulz, as promised - and this is the reason why i will donate 25 mil, something I wouldn't mind to lose. I can understand, however, that there are people who arent part of it and hence don't want to invest because they think it's shady Go T'Amber -- those who can, do those who can't, complain
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2010.05.22 08:15:00 - [38] Originally by: Xenofarion LOL @ MD People taking this all way too seriously. Really, all T'Amber Events til now have delivered some major lulz, as promised I think I should point out that I don't take this seriously at all. However at best this belongs in the Events forum, General Discussion if not there, and (at worst) it does not belong on this site as panhandling. IMHO no matter how prettily formatted, no matter the rep or lulz provided, the rules are simply the rules. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Lani Sun	Posted - 2010.05.22 08:36:00 - [39] Edited by: Lani Sun on 22/05/2010 08:42:24 How high among scams would a 300bill scam be? 2nd highest scam ever. Genuinely interested.
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 08:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Lani Sun Edited by: Lani Sun on 22/05/2010 08:42:24 How high among scams would a 300bill scam be? 2nd highest scam ever. Genuinely interested. hmmmm 5-10ish, closer to 5. EIB, EBank, DBank, Curzon, Goons; not in order...maybe Curzon was less than 300b...anyway, you get the idea: big, but nothing ground-breaking.
flakeys DRAMA Inc	Posted - 2010.05.22 09:23:00 - [41] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Lani Sun Edited by: Lani Sun on 22/05/2010 08:42:24 How high among scams would a 300bill scam be? 2nd highest scam ever. Genuinely interested. hmmmm 5-10ish, closer to 5. EIB, EBank, DBank, Curzon, Goons; not in order...maybe Curzon was less than 300b...anyway, you get the idea: big, but nothing ground-breaking. Curzon was only 50 bille if i remember right.He claimed to get more investments ingame but that can not be vrified and as such should not be taken into account in my book. Goons , i guess you are refering to karttoon walking off with the alliance wallet and not yih goonscam since that only got a 3ish bille investment and karttoon's alliance rip-off should be seen as a theft not a scam. EIB i have no idea off how much that was.As far as i know Ebank/ricdic is number one followed by Dbank but as said i do not know where EIB fits in. ON the topic itself as shar pointed out this does not belong on MD.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.05.22 09:42:00 - [42] How much was involved in the Ihatalo scam/disappearance/fiasco? 30B or so? Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2010.05.22 09:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Lani Sun How high among scams would a 300bill scam be? this is extremely hard to measure as you would have to get inflation adjusted numbers for past scams; also consider that the price indices in the QENs do not account for the non-material/relative value of items: the possibilities to earn ISK were greatly expanded during the course of this game but much of that "new" ISK was soaked up in newly developed products, so prices for the old ones didn't change as much as they would have without this increasing & shifting demand. People might still buy exactly the same quantity of some ship at the very same price as a few years ago but now they also have a shiny Tengu sitting in their hangar besides it. The "value" of the ship in terms of the effort required to be able to buy it has decreased, but its price is still unchanged because demand has increased and shifted. ISK is worth less now in units of labor but has largely retained its value in units of items... An alternative way would be to convert all ISK amounts into dollars based on the corresponding GTC cost (which you can lookup on the forums) or historical data from ISK sellers/buyers - you could then easily compare the inflation-adjusted dollar values. However, it is questionable if the "value" of a scam in EVE should really be determined by RL economic circumstances (and in most cases the dollar value of a scam is probably only used for boasting and carries no relevance in the scammer's decision making).
RAW23	Posted - 2010.05.22 09:49:00 - [44] Originally by: flakeys As far as i know Ebank/ricdic is number one followed by Dbank but as said i do not know where EIB fits in. Hard to know how to classify that one. I thought I'd read that Ricdic only walked with 250bil but it depends on whether you want to see that as Ricdic scamming EBANK or EBANK scamming its customers. So, do you add up all the bank's losses into one scam or do you divide them between the various/numerous people who either scammed the bank or used the bank to scam the depositors?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.22 09:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Estel Arador How much was involved in the Ihatalo scam/disappearance/fiasco? 30B or so? They owe EBANK near enough that much, so I'd assume more. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
flakeys DRAMA Inc	Posted - 2010.05.22 10:17:00 - [46] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: flakeys As far as i know Ebank/ricdic is number one followed by Dbank but as said i do not know where EIB fits in. Hard to know how to classify that one. I thought I'd read that Ricdic only walked with 250bil but it depends on whether you want to see that as Ricdic scamming EBANK or EBANK scamming its customers. So, do you add up all the bank's losses into one scam or do you divide them between the various/numerous people who either scammed the bank or used the bank to scam the depositors? If you take that seperatly Dbank would be on top with 300 bille i believe followed by ricdic with 250 bille.Ebank is a tough one since if they get to return the isk -yes even if it is after years- technically it can not be seen as a scam but more deception/missmanagement since the customers did not get any interest over that period. Offcourse there are a lot of customers who where left/pushed out in time due to change of management like the API key input in wich case those could be seen as a form of scam and added up but i have no clue what amount that would be.
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.22 10:49:00 - [47] Originally by: Shar Tegral Reported I'm not sure what rule I'm breaking, but maybe posting a link to the relevant location would be more helpful or contructive? I've never posted in this forum topic before, but this is where I was directed by some players as to where I should post it. Its not an "event" yet, there are no sales, and its not yet a general topic. Almost all of you are assuming I'm like everyone else in eve and only interested in myself. Some quick research will show you that I've spent considerable time and effort in our community in some form or another. I'm not completely stupid, the reason why the post is so clear (which may make it look idiotic) as I'm trying to be as transparent as possible. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.22 10:57:00 - [48] Oh, sorry, I didn't realise you were different. That changes everything. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Melleia Vulcan Innovations New Eden Research	Posted - 2010.05.22 11:07:00 - [49] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Lani Sun Edited by: Lani Sun on 22/05/2010 08:42:24 How high among scams would a 300bill scam be? 2nd highest scam ever. Genuinely interested. hmmmm 5-10ish, closer to 5. EIB, EBank, DBank, Curzon, Goons; not in order...maybe Curzon was less than 300b...anyway, you get the idea: big, but nothing ground-breaking. My revenge corp-theft was to the tune of 47b. Where does that place me?
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.05.22 11:13:00 - [50] Originally by: T'Amber I've never posted in this forum topic before, but this is where I was directed by some players as to where I should post it. Well those players were wrong. This is not the forum section for charity/events, this is a forum section for Market Discussions and for investments in businesses which sell stuff or otherwise make money from the market. Note the "make money" part in the previous sentence. Your intentions may be laudable, but your framing of this as an "investment" is laughable. You can redefine 'investment' all you like, but here an investment has a (positive) return in isk. From what I've been able to make out so far, you're offering nothing tangible in return for giving you money. There is a place for everything, but this is probably not the place for your thing. (If you look at me, you'll notice that I'm not selling shares in EACS here in MD - as shares in businesses often are - but in Sell Orders, with the message that they won't give any return very explicitly spelled out.) Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
shackattack	Posted - 2010.05.22 11:52:00 - [51] isk sent cause its T'Amber
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.22 13:15:00 - [52] Originally by: Estel Arador Well those players were wrong. This is not the forum section for charity/events, this is a forum section for Market Discussions and for investments in businesses which sell stuff or otherwise make money from the market. Note the "make money" part in the previous sentence. Once there is a decent amount of isk in the fund my hope is that it can be partially invested in multiple areas so that it can increase itself. This could possibly be why they suggested this topic, although I can and have made this amount of isk before I do not have anywhere the time to do so again - nor am I upto play with IPOs or other investments other people may be offering. I'm hoping to get both suggestions and isk from this post. Originally by: Estel Arador Your intentions may be laudable, but your framing of this as an "investment" is laughable. You can redefine 'investment' all you like, but here an investment has a (positive) return in isk. From what I've been able to make out so far, you're offering nothing tangible in return for giving you money. Its quite apparent on the first page that the return on the investment is not in isk. People often ask why I invest so much time, isk and effort running and sponsering events with no expectation of making any isk (and often loosing it). The main reason is that it gives me the oppurtunity to be apart of something bigger than myself which I enjoy immensly, but also because I believe in this game and I'd like for it to grow - and I can play apart of this by supplying things for pilots to do that are both fun, and creative. Regardless of how this thread goes I'm still going to continue doing what I do, and the event I have planned will just take longer to eventuate; I'm aware I will be the biggest contributor to this fund. Originally by: Estel Arador There is a place for everything, but this is probably not the place for your thing. (If you look at me, you'll notice that I'm not selling shares in EACS here in MD - as shares in businesses often are - but in Sell Orders, with the message that they won't give any return very explicitly spelled out.) Yeah, I also sell my shares in the Sell Orders - I am aware that this is not the thread to sell shares in. I'll ask a dev on irc later and see if they can tell me. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.05.22 13:34:00 - [53] Originally by: T'Amber Once there is a decent amount of isk in the fund my hope is that it can be partially invested in multiple areas so that it can increase itself. So you will be using the isk for something else than you claim in your post? Very bad form if you ask me. What safeguards do you have in place to ensure that the money will be properly invested instead of given to failures/scammers? Who will manage the fund? Who will keep an eye on the manager? Originally by: T'Amber Its quite apparent on the first page that the return on the investment is not in isk. My point was that if the return is not in isk, it is not an investment. What the essay about your motivations has to with it, I don't know. You should be selling your business plan (if it exists), not yourself. In short, you've not done the proper research and preparation to even get close to being taken seriously. The expectation that people here would even be remotely interested in giving you isk with just the statement "I'm T'Amber and I'm famous, give me isk, it's fun" is more than a little misguided. Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
flakeys DRAMA Inc	Posted - 2010.05.22 15:14:00 - [54] Originally by: Melleia Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Lani Sun Edited by: Lani Sun on 22/05/2010 08:42:24 How high among scams would a 300bill scam be? 2nd highest scam ever. Genuinely interested. hmmmm 5-10ish, closer to 5. EIB, EBank, DBank, Curzon, Goons; not in order...maybe Curzon was less than 300b...anyway, you get the idea: big, but nothing ground-breaking. My revenge corp-theft was to the tune of 47b. Where does that place me? That's for crime and punishment, we only handle the scams not the thefts :)
flakeys DRAMA Inc	Posted - 2010.05.22 15:21:00 - [55] Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its T'Amber Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its ricdic Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its curzon dax Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its xabier Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its manalapan Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its ... Welcome to the MD
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 15:52:00 - [56] Originally by: flakeys Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its T'Amber Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its ricdic Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its curzon dax Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its xabier Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its manalapan Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its ... Welcome to the MD srsly
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.22 17:54:00 - [57] Originally by: Estel Arador So you will be using the isk for something else than you claim in your post? Very bad form if you ask me. What safeguards do you have in place to ensure that the money will be properly invested instead of given to failures/scammers? Who will manage the fund? Who will keep an eye on the manager? I don't see any problems with investing donated isk to make the fund bigger, or so that it meets the target quicker - if you send me isk, I'm assuming you're going to trust what I do with it otherwise why bother? Regarding what the isk could be invested in, well thats part of what this post was for... Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: T'Amber Its quite apparent on the first page that the return on the investment is not in isk. My point was that if the return is not in isk, it is not an investment. What the essay about your motivations has to with it, I don't know. You should be selling your business plan (if it exists), not yourself. You are correct, investment is normally in the expectation of a increase in monetary return. However it can also mean spending or devoting for futuure advantage or benefit (ie. invested much time and energy in getting a good education.) or to devote morally or psychologically, as to a purpose; commit. (ie. Men of our generation are invested in what they do, women in what we are"). My purpose is to benfit the community using an investment of money to fund a massive event in the hope of benifiting our community somehow (or atleast entertain it with trollage) - however saying that, I realise that this particular thread topic is quite specific and of course there would be an expectation of meaning which is why I've modified the post as was suggested. And my Business plan? I'm going to spend all the isk in a spectacular way, and then gief out the loots to the winners in creative ways. Read the first post again, it should cover that somewhere. Originally by: Estel Arador In short, you've not done the proper research and preparation to even get close to being taken seriously. I respect your opinion Estel, but you have it slightly wrong. I've been designing this particular event and doing similar projects like this successfully for over a year now. If we can't get the fund to a useable level, thats fine - I'm neither in a rush nor expecting this project to happen quickly. Originally by: Estel Arador The expectation that people here would even be remotely interested in giving you isk with just the statement "I'm T'Amber and I'm famous, give me isk, it's fun" is more than a little misguided. It may look like that, but I'm not expecting much from everyone - The assumtion is that I will be the major contributor to this fund and thats cool although People donate and give me isk and prizes all the time for SOE and that is what I'm hoping for. I also like proving the people who call scam without thought wrong Thanks for your words and keep em coming. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.22 18:01:00 - [58] Originally by: flakeys Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its T'Amber Welcome to the MD Maybe read the first post, it quite transparently states you're going to be giving me isk to do with as planned, and that you're probably not going to get it back. I doubt all those other people wrote a post explaining what they were doing before they did whatever it was they did. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.05.22 19:22:00 - [59] Originally by: T'Amber Originally by: Estel Arador In short, you've not done the proper research and preparation to even get close to being taken seriously. I respect your opinion Estel, but you have it slightly wrong. I've been designing this particular event and doing similar projects like this successfully for over a year now. I wasn't talking about your preparation for the events, but rather your research and preparation for requesting money on MD. There are written and unwritten rules any serious offer should adhere to. You haven't tried to comply with them, or even shown that you're aware of them. I'm not saying you would've gotten the isk if you had done your research and had properly prepared your request, but at least you would've been taken more seriously. Originally by: T'Amber Maybe read the first post, it quite transparently states you're going to be giving me isk to do with as planned, and that you're probably not going to get it back. Why the hedge? Also note that though it is transparently stated, it also contradictory stated: "If the event fails you may not get your full isk donation/ investment back" "If this fails to go anyway all isk donations of over 1million will be returned in full." Which is it? Or is this the ambiguity where the "probably" in the quote above comes from? And what are the criteria for a failure? Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Sarah Tilly	Posted - 2010.05.22 19:47:00 - [60] Curzon managed to pull it off while being a known scammer so he gets some props for that, this is just too blatent
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.22 20:17:00 - [61] Originally by: Estel Arador You haven't tried to comply with them, or even shown that you're aware of them. I'm not saying you would've gotten the isk if you had done your research and had properly prepared your request K, I misunderstood - point me in the right direction please. Originally by: Estel Arador Why the hedge? Also note that though it is transparently stated, it also contradictory stated: "If the event fails you may not get your full isk donation/ investment back" "If this fails to go anyway all isk donations of over 1million will be returned in full." Yup you're completely correct. I had to read it a couple of time to see what were referring to, and I will fix that. As this may take a while there could possibly be hundreds of small donations and in the event of failure they'd not be factored into any refunds of any kind. I find this unlikely to happen as the final event can be scaled to match what fundage is available. Refunds due to the final event failing would mean that any assets or prizes bought would need to be liquidated back into isk, and then redistributed back to people who donated, which would probably be at a lower amount than purchased. Probably as in highly likely when other possible costs are factored. Failure = no interest in the projects final event. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.05.22 21:35:00 - [62] Originally by: T'Amber K, I misunderstood - point me in the right direction please. Well, the stickies are always a good place to start at. Originally by: T'Amber Failure = no interest in the projects final event. Still a bit vague don't you think? If only one person is interested, the project's final event is a success? Anyway, if you need any more advice on fund acquisition I'll have to charge a consultancy fee. Contact me ingame if you're interested. Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Nobzy	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:50:00 - [63] Edited by: Nobzy on 22/05/2010 23:53:10 These MD elites never cease to amaze me with their serious eve business. Isk in your wallet means nothing. To anyone. Anywhere. This is not a major corporation shareholders transparency meeting. You have the OP. Anyone can read it, or not read it. Based on that, you can send isk, or not send isk. It might be going right where it is stated it's going, or it might be a scam. You decide what you do with your pixel isk. But goddamn, it never stops to amuse me how these people think isk in a spaceships game is an important element in their life, so important you have to go through a goddamn real world business circus to move it. Amazing. Utterly, amazing. Playing monopoly with you guys must be fun.
Phoebe Halliwel	Posted - 2010.05.23 00:53:00 - [64] Your enthusiasm and the idea of these events is pretty refreshing in game; not so attractive to people in MD who expect a return on investment. It's your choice how you hold events, but in all honesty, it's a shame to see that you don't seem to be breaking even on them. There are plenty of successful lotteries held where a nominal fee is paid to enter; 10mil is not exactly crippling for most players, so what is your rationale in waiving that? If you've burned through your personal ISK to sustain these events so far, it looks like a money pit, underlying that is the risk of burnout, regardless of how genuine your intentions are. If people do choose to contribute, knowing there is no return, I'd imagine they would want their ISK to be managed carefully, with a view to supporting the "events" long term. 300b is a ridiculous amount of isk to give away. Might be an attention grabber, and possibly a way to generate more coverage, but why not 100b, or 50b, or 20b as a weekly event? Why are you approaching individual investors as opposed to in game businesses who may be prepared to sponsor in return for exposure? Not sure if you recall the suggestion I made to you a while back about getting someone in to audit your events to ensure you aren't bleeding ISK. You said you were also spending a lot on advertising, but Chribba's Titan/Mothership lotteries sell out within a few days based on a forum thread and an ingame mailing list; I'm pretty sure I suggested a mailing list a while back but never got a response, was on the sales thread so maybe got missed or I didn't spot a response. It might be worthwhile to ask this particular section of the community how to make these events viable long term and take on board criticisms/suggestions, before you ask for ISK (you could change this to a discussion thread and backtrack a bit). You're not getting that many constructive responses because you've already thrown out a number; it's certainly attention grabbing, but suggests you are here to ask for isk rather than have a discussion, so you're likely to just get caught up defending your proposal as opposed to discussing how to improve it. You don't need to justify or rationalise why you want to create community events; you do need to demonstrate that you are able to manage public funds securely and effectively. Even if all the funds are to be used for events/advertising, people have a right to know how their isk will be spent, and they may have some decent ideas you can use. Secure the event funds in such a way that the majority are satisfied; if you try to use the "reputation" card here you will get stomped on, mostly because of Curzon. I'm pretty sure you know you will need 3rd party security, the onus is on you to arrange that (I notice you are asking people to discuss whilst accepting funds which is a bit hmm). Some people here may genuinely be able to offer advice and assistance, but you need to be open to discussion rather than defending your plan. Look up Bad Bobby's Titans4u pre launch discussion thread for some ideas of MD concerns etc; they may not reflect the community as a whole, but they do reflect the sentiments of the portion who are interested in investment/other markets in game. Best of luck
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:23:00 - [65] Originally by: Nobzy These MD elites never cease to amaze me with their serious eve business. Perhaps if you left your momma's basement you'd increase your amazement barrier. (Sex, boy you'll enjoy that someday!) People seem to overlook the obvious here - This has nothing to do with MD "type" people or some such. Nothing to do with serious or not serious. (Mind you, if I take the game seriously is not a subject open to your approval or ridicule so sod off.) The point of the matter is this thread simply does not belong here. When I open the sports section of the newspaper, I want to read sports. When I open the comics, I want to see comic strips. When I open the obituaries, I'd like to see a few of you in it. Get the point or should I use crayon? Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Plocsk	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:27:00 - [66] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Nobzy These MD elites never cease to amaze me with their serious eve business. BAWWW you insulted people like me therefore I will insult you back and I hope you die IRL too Lol tears...
Lord Arbalest Northstar Cabal	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:28:00 - [67] Originally by: Plocsk Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Nobzy These MD elites never cease to amaze me with their serious eve business. BAWWW you insulted people like me therefore I will insult you back and I hope you die IRL too Lol tears... Lol idiocy...
omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:29:00 - [68] Originally by: Lord Arbalest Originally by: Plocsk Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Nobzy These MD elites never cease to amaze me with their serious eve business. BAWWW you insulted people like me therefore I will insult you back and I hope you die IRL too Lol tears... Lol idiocy... Lol irony...
Lord Arbalest Northstar Cabal	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:41:00 - [69] Originally by: omgfreemoniez BAWWW you insulted people like me therefore I will insult you back and I hope you die IRL too Lol tears... Lol idiocy... Lol irony... lol random alt trying to be funny ...
Plocsk	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:47:00 - [70] Originally by: Lord Arbalest Originally by: Plocsk Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Nobzy These MD elites never cease to amaze me with their serious eve business. BAWWW you insulted people like me therefore I will insult you back and I hope you die IRL too Lol tears... Lol idiocy... Lol your post history - looks like those tears could easily be your own...
Lord Arbalest Northstar Cabal	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:51:00 - [71] Originally by: Plocsk BAWWW you insulted people like me therefore I will insult you back and I hope you die IRL too Lol tears... Lol idiocy... Lol your post history - looks like those tears could easily be your own... Lol, your post history - "Cool story bro."
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:52:00 - [72] Originally by: Plocsk Lol tears... A fine example of obituary material if I ever saw it. See I think kindness, medical advances, and just plain civilization has bypassed Darwinism. I'd also, quite honestly, love to see the re-enacting of dueling laws as well. But being willing to take personal responsibility for one's actions is inconceivable to someone still sucking on momma's teat so I'll spare you the lecture. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Check 1234	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:55:00 - [73] Originally by: Plocsk Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Nobzy These MD elites never cease to amaze me with their serious eve business. BAWWW you insulted people like me therefore I will insult you back and I hope you die IRL too Lol tears... You sound like you have had a traumatic experience in your past. Perhaps a lack of people you can call real friends and share your problems with. Fear not, you can speak to me IG and together we can get you through these troubling times. Feel free to contact me, I am here for the EVE community - we are all family.
Plocsk	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Plocsk Lol tears... More tears Keep them flowing.
Check 1234	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:56:00 - [75] Originally by: Plocsk Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Plocsk Lol tears... More tears Keep them flowing. Plocsk tears. Best tears.
Plocsk	Posted - 2010.05.23 03:00:00 - [76] This is hilarious - you're all taking this as seriously as I don't. Only tears here are tears of laughter!
Check 1234	Posted - 2010.05.23 03:01:00 - [77] Originally by: Plocsk This is hilarious - you're all taking this as seriously as I don't. Only tears here are tears of laughter! Keep them flowing.
Plocsk	Posted - 2010.05.23 03:01:00 - [78] Originally by: Check 1234 Originally by: Plocsk This is hilarious - you're all taking this as seriously as I don't. Only tears here are tears of laughter! Keep them flowing. Keep on helping then. Did I strike a nerve?
Check 1234	Posted - 2010.05.23 03:06:00 - [79] Originally by: Plocsk Originally by: Check 1234 Originally by: Plocsk This is hilarious - you're all taking this as seriously as I don't. Only tears here are tears of laughter! Keep them flowing. Keep on helping then. Did I strike a nerve? Keep filling my bucket up. Don't stop flowing now. Perhaps in the future, you might want to use your brain and productively reply.
Plocsk	Posted - 2010.05.23 03:17:00 - [80] Edited by: Plocsk on 23/05/2010 03:18:42 Originally by: Check 1234 Originally by: Plocsk Originally by: Check 1234 Originally by: Plocsk This is hilarious - you're all taking this as seriously as I don't. Only tears here are tears of laughter! Keep them flowing. Keep on helping then. Did I strike a nerve? Keep filling my bucket up. Don't stop flowing now. Perhaps in the future, you might want to use your brain and productively reply. Just fighting fire with fire EDIT: stuff about tears
Check 1234	Posted - 2010.05.23 03:22:00 - [81] Originally by: Plocsk Originally by: Plocsk This is hilarious - you're all taking this as seriously as I don't. Only tears here are tears of laughter! Keep them flowing. Keep on helping then. Did I strike a nerve? Keep filling my bucket up. Don't stop flowing now. Perhaps in the future, you might want to use your brain and productively reply. Just fighting fire with fire EDIT: stuff about tears Correct. Your tears are putting out any fires.
Plocsk	Posted - 2010.05.23 03:24:00 - [82] Edited by: Plocsk on 23/05/2010 03:24:26 Originally by: Check 1234 Originally by: Plocsk Originally by: Plocsk This is hilarious - you're all taking this as seriously as I don't. Only tears here are tears of laughter! Keep them flowing. Keep on helping then. Did I strike a nerve? Keep filling my bucket up. Don't stop flowing now. Perhaps in the future, you might want to use your brain and productively reply. Just fighting fire with fire EDIT: stuff about tears Correct. Your tears are putting out any fires. NO, yoUr tears are putting out the fires.
Lord Arbalest Northstar Cabal	Posted - 2010.05.23 03:26:00 - [83] Mate, CAOD is that way ---->
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 04:54:00 - [84] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: T'Amber K, I misunderstood - point me in the right direction please. Well, the stickies are always a good place to start at. Yup I've read in there and the post had been changed to suit within a couple of hours of posting, I havent read all the hundreds of posts however. I'm not sure if people have missed the start of the post but it does mention that I was interested in some discussion on how they think this kind of money could be made with investment, but I understand that theres relatively small amounts of people who will do anything for free for the community. Why have I put the donations part up already?? Because I've already started it and regardless of what you all think its going to happen already - I've already made more isk than this before and I can do it again, I just don't have as much time in game as I used to. Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: T'Amber Failure = no interest in the projects final event. Still a bit vague don't you think? If only one person is interested, the project's final event is a success? Without ruining the event its hard to explain, so this falls under trusting me to know what I'm doing. If you have suggestions you'd like to post for free go ahead, but I'm pretty tight on my isk spending so consulting is out of the question. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 05:11:00 - [85] Edited by: T''Amber on 23/05/2010 05:14:13 Hey Phoebe long time! Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel I'd imagine they would want their ISK to be managed carefully, with a view to supporting the "events" long term. This is isk for one project. My other events will continue as they do but in a different format with what you've just stated as being the main reason for the change. Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel 300b is a ridiculous amount of isk to give away. Might be an attention grabber, and possibly a way to generate more coverage, but why not 100b, or 50b, or 20b as a weekly event? This event could last for over 6months depending on the amount of entrants and interest, although the first part of the event have a fixed time and will last for less than a day. Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Why are you approaching individual investors as opposed to in game businesses who may be prepared to sponsor in return for exposure? Although this is the only place I've posted on the EVE-O forums, that doesn't mean I'm just targeting this forum. Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Not sure if you recall the suggestion I made to you a while back about getting someone in to audit your events to ensure you aren't bleeding ISK. You said you were also spending a lot on advertising, but Chribba's Titan/Mothership lotteries sell out within a few days based on a forum thread and an ingame mailing list; I'm pretty sure I suggested a mailing list a while back but never got a response, was on the sales thread so maybe got missed or I didn't spot a response. Yup, I've had a mailing list for some time now (I had one when you asked but it wasn't using it for events yet). Chribba is Chribba, only one other person comes close to selling as fast and thats Darknesss with his Mothership lottos - I'm not interested in events with those ships period. My other events can sustain themselves as they are, but they're not designed to make large amounts of isk - and neither is this project. Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel It might be worthwhile to ask this particular section of the community how to make these events viable long term and take on board criticisms/suggestions, before you ask for ISK (you could change this to a discussion thread and backtrack a bit)... snip (running out of room to post) snip ... This is explained in the post above and on the front page. I don't want discussion on the event, I would like some suggestions as to how I could go about investing some of the isk in the fund while its being added to... Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Secure the event funds in such a way that the majority are satisfied; if you try to use the "reputation" card here you will get stomped on, mostly because of Curzon. I'm pretty sure you know you will need 3rd party security, the onus is on you to arrange that (I notice you are asking people to discuss whilst accepting funds which is a bit hmm). Some people here may genuinely be able to offer advice and assistance, but you need to be open to discussion rather than defending your plan. Ah.. I don't get this reputation crap. My reputation is built on trust and making creative events: its extremely imporant to this thread. And again, the point of this post is to get discussion aswell as exposure... The reason for discussions on 3rd parties involvment is more to do with tracking the isk than actually using them. If I send isk to say Grendell every month, and my website tracks my characters wallet, how is this amount going to be defined, and how is this going to be shown on my website and how would it be programmed. The other problem of course is how to go about it without it being a hassle for the 3rd party - Regarding starting the fund already; most of the isk will be from me, so why can't I start the fund already?? If you don't trust me, don't take part. simple as that! Nice to hear from you again! -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2010.05.23 06:10:00 - [86] Originally by: T'Amber Ah.. I don't get this reputation crap. My reputation is built on trust and making creative events: its extremely imporant to this thread. And again, the point of this post is to get discussion aswell as exposure... The lady doth protest too much, methinks. TL:DR - Reputation, perhaps. Trust, not so much as your ego seems to think. Angry, indifferent, happy - Don't care how you leave, please just go. The failure here is that you are doing this wrong. Yes, you are getting exposure alright. It is not good exposure though. More like you dropping your pants and mooning everyone - then wondering why people are annoyed with you. I suspect that there will be a number of "pot/kettle" remarks but I'm going to close by suggesting you think about your hubris. You think that just because you deem it so, you are important enough for us (here in this section) to overlook your panhandling. Sorry, panhandling is not (and never will be) acceptable in this forum. Don't care why, who, or what. Your rep, tbh, is rating somewhere around your ankles and no matter how much crap you spit out (or the trolls spit out) you will not get it to float much higher. And you've only yourself to blame as you've proven you can't take a clue, hint, or GTFO. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 06:42:00 - [87] Originally by: Shar Tegral TL:DR Thats a great quote and the thread explains it very well, but I'm not wondering why everyones annoyed and this is going pretty close to how I expected it would. If the forum moderators decide this doesn't belong here thats fine and I'll accept that, and until then feel free to comment further. Naysayers help keep me on track and fuel my passion, you're all so serious! -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 06:48:00 - [88] Originally by: Nobzy You have the OP. Anyone can read it, or not read it. Based on that, you can send isk, or not send isk. It might be going right where it is stated it's going, or it might be a scam. You decide what you do with your pixel isk. Playing monopoly with you guys must be fun. Good to see someone understands X) -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.05.23 07:20:00 - [89] fact: kiwis never lie
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 07:20:00 - [90] Originally by: T'Amber Good to see someone understands X) Oh, there's no doubt the rest of us understand; we just think it's naive. Maybe try swinging the opinions in this thread around if you want to achieve your goal instead of agreeing with those insulting your detractors? Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
flakeys DRAMA Inc	Posted - 2010.05.23 07:41:00 - [91] Edited by: flakeys on 23/05/2010 08:09:36 Originally by: T'Amber Originally by: flakeys Originally by: shackattack isk sent cause its T'Amber Welcome to the MD Maybe read the first post, it quite transparently states you're going to be giving me isk to do with as planned, and that you're probably not going to get it back. No it says , Originally by: T'Amber If the event fails you may not get your full isk donation/ investment back So we are going from a 'worst case scenario you won't get isk back' to a 'best case scenario you might get isk back'.
Youtalkingtome	Posted - 2010.05.23 08:28:00 - [92] T'Amber Firstly I love you lets get married and have kids if ur a chick!!! Now close ur ears T'amber: All of you need to take the dk's out of your ahole and learn to use the search button for real. You want to know how trustworthy she is fking use the search button and you will find trillions of threads by amber, and the numerous events held by her and SHips Of Eve. Quit being a bunch of whiney little Bh's and flaming peoples threads and reporting. Obviously it dont work cuase the thread is still here. Which means omg one thing moderators are aware of amber's credentials. If they felt this thread was in any way the next big Holyst Scam of eve im sure they would lock it right away. You all are a bunch of Fing sissy a girls who b*h and complain like your mother pmsing for a year. Knock the stupid off and grow the fk up!!!
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.05.23 08:34:00 - [93] Originally by: Youtalkingtome You want to know how trustworthy she is Bad Bobby had to go through weeks of careful discussion before he could ask for this kind of money, why should T'Amber be different? Originally by: Youtalkingtome If they felt this thread was in any way the next big Holyst Scam of eve im sure they would lock it right away. This statement shows that you're just talking BS (if that wasn't clear yet from the profanity). Free jumpclone service**\|1092 stations!
Youtalkingtome	Posted - 2010.05.23 08:41:00 - [94] Fk You okay buddy gtfo out of T'ambers thread unless ur donating b*h
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 08:43:00 - [95] Originally by: Youtalkingtome Fk You okay buddy gtfo out of T'ambers thread unless ur donating b*h Clearly you have issues. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.23 08:46:00 - [96] Originally by: Youtalkingtome Fk You okay buddy gtfo out of T'ambers thread unless ur donating b*h It's just a game.
Youtalkingtome	Posted - 2010.05.23 08:47:00 - [97] I dont have issues youve got issues dude GTFO Now!!!
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 08:50:00 - [98] Originally by: Youtalkingtome I dont have issues youve got issues dude GTFO Now!!! No you. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.05.23 08:53:00 - [99] Originally by: Youtalkingtome ... (a) ... because we know that past behavior is always a good prediction of future behavior, right? Originally by: Taleb A Turkey is fed for a 1000 daysùevery days confirms to its statistical department that the human race cares about its welfare "with increased statistical significance". On the 1001st day, the turkey has a surprise. (b) do you really think your rant improves T'Amber's position in this forum? you only provoke people to hit the proposal in the OP even harder...
Youtalkingtome	Posted - 2010.05.23 08:53:00 - [100] Your so luck i have to wait 5 minutes to post go fk yourself donate or im gonna haxer agent locate you and pod ur whiney bh a*!!!
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 08:57:00 - [101] Originally by: Youtalkingtome Your so luck i have to wait 5 minutes to post go fk yourself donate or im gonna haxer agent locate you and pod ur whiney bh a!!! Come and get some. I will touch you in your studio. Originally by:* Mme Pinkerton (b) do you really think your rant improves T'Amber's position in this forum? you only provoke people to hit the proposal in the OP even harder... I'm pretty sure this guy's intentions are to just have some fun whilst trolling and he has no interest either way. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Youtalkingtome	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:02:00 - [102] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Youtalkingtome Fk You okay buddy gtfo out of T'ambers thread unless ur donating bh It's just a game. What the Fk? You mean its just a game.... Holyst and here by everyones response i thought they actually took this * seriously? Go figure if its a game why r you getting so **ing butt-hurt huh?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:10:00 - [103] Originally by: Youtalkingtome Go figure if its a game why r you getting so ****ing butt-hurt huh? Says the kiddie raving like a lunatic. Want an ice lolly? Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Youtalkingtome	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:13:00 - [104] Ive got PTSD 0.o really Go Fk yourself for the fifth time...... Yes im an A a Jerk a lunatic whatever like i give a rats ass its only a game right?
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:17:00 - [105] Originally by: Youtalkingtome Ive got PTSD 0.o really Go Fk yourself for the fifth time...... Yes im an A a Jerk a lunatic whatever like i give a rats ass its only a game right? Why so serious?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:26:00 - [106] Originally by: Youtalkingtome Go F**k yourself for the fifth time I didn't do it the first four times you made that suggestion, what makes you think I'll do it now? Do you want a hug? You look like you need a hug. Come here, have a hug. There you go, just like that. Hmmm, nice. Better? Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:26:00 - [107] Originally by: "All the crap above blah blah blah blah blah You all assume I'm asking for isk from the people who normally use this channel, and I'm not - this was just the place I was suggested to post it. I don't mind being trolled, second guessed, confused with someone else, ridiculed or whatever, but stay on topic please and try to be relevant. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Youtalkingtome	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:26:00 - [108] Why is everyone else here so serious? They have to take something someone is trying to do for our community and bash on it like a gay parade? Seriously in the years I have played this game I can not venture a guess why people hate on the forums lol? My previous posts a bit melodramatic yes... Does it get my point across maybe for some others not so much. Is this how I am in real life no, Im extremely disciplined and a leader to many of my subordinates beneath me.If any one can answer my question as to why they have to destroy someone else's ideas here by all means do. Personally I think what T'amber is doing and has done in the past is the most craziest awesomest thing in all of New Eden... Thanks for listening.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:30:00 - [109] Sounds like another Lui Kai exit scheme. It'd be interesting to see how this pans out. Even with 5% to the pot, there's really nothing that stops the amount from being utilized in short-term investments for profits.
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:38:00 - [110] Originally by: flakeys No it says , Originally by: T'Amber If the event fails you may not get your full isk donation/ investment back So we are going from a 'worst case scenario you won't get isk back' to a 'best case scenario you might get isk back'. Best case scenario is that its a success. I'm only going to refund if theres a catastrophic fail which is the worst case scenario. Originally by: Sturmwolke Sounds like another Lui Kai exit scheme. It'd be interesting to see how this pans out. Even with 5% to the pot, there's really nothing that stops the amount from being utilized in short-term investments for profits. I'm not familiar with Lui Kai (I tried to google by my google fu failed), and I also don't see a problem with investing part of the fund. No-ones suggested any ideas yet though, but i'm lurking in some posts checking out the go go. My experience is limited to science and industry and I'd need research the current state of affairs to get up to date before I'd even consider going down that path again. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:40:00 - [111] Originally by: Youtalkingtome If any one can answer my question as to why they have to destroy someone else's ideas here by all means We're not trying to destroy his idea, we're just pointing out its inherent flaws and his naivety by coming here on 'someone' else's advise without doing his research beforehand. We don't appreciate that splash and dash **** here, put some effort and forethought into your plans when you come asking for ISK. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:42:00 - [112] Originally by: Youtalkingtome My previous posts a bit melodramatic yes... Does it get my point across maybe for some others not so much. Is this how I am in real life no, Im extremely disciplined and a leader to many of my subordinates beneath me I think it was obvious to everyone that you are indeed a leader of men.
Youtalkingtome	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:55:00 - [113] lol but no really its only a game..... and my previosu post was 100% completly true but hey whatever judge me how you like ill be leaving eve for 15 months very soon anyway so have fun with your MD forums
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:00:00 - [114] I wish your mates well wherever duty calls you. However you should know that dignity and honor matter as much in or out of uniform... perhaps even more so when anonymous. I won't ask what service you are in as I'd hate to lose any pride in my previous one. From knowing that recruitment standards are so low as to let you in. PS: Calling them subordinates says more about you as a leader than your prattle above. Being an e-3 isn't much but you should at least act better. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:03:00 - [115] Originally by: Youtalkingtome lol but no really its only a game..... and my previosu post was 100% completly true but hey whatever judge me how you like ill be leaving eve for 15 months very soon anyway so have fun with your MD forums Your judicious use of profanity and embarrassing inanity to make your ill-defined points will be sorely missed. We are rarely blessed with the input of such masters of post-modern rhetoric as yourself. Truly this is a sad day for us all.
Youtalkingtome	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:05:00 - [116] Edited by: Youtalkingtome on 23/05/2010 10:05:59 hey its what my ncoer says subordinates take it up with my leadership lol. And im gonna miss you too awwww :( im gonna go cry now Oh one more thign wtf im not allowed to have a different personality in this game geesh wtf
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:20:00 - [117] Originally by: Youtalkingtome Oh one more thign wtf im not allowed to have a different personality in this game geesh wtf You are freely entitled to be a jerk. We are freely entitled to treat you as you wish. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:24:00 - [118] Originally by: Youtalkingtome Oh one more thign wtf im not allowed to have a different personality in this game geesh wtf You are, but don't try defend it by referencing you're real personality. No one cares what you are like as a person, but as a forum poster (and noble MD knight protecting your liege) you suck hard. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Youtalkingtome	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:28:00 - [119] I fail again
RAW23	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:42:00 - [120] Wow! Crazy thread. @OP - Wrong forum. @Shar - Sadly the mods don't seem too fussed about this being in the wrong place so its probably not worth labouring the point. Also, proportion! Nothing the OP or his supporters have said warrants wishing death on them, even for purposes of hyperbole (in fact, you tend to undercut the rhetorical device if you push it that far; if, on the other hand, your comments aren't rhetorical, seek help). @Ray - Moderately phrased sensible posts? WTF! Someone has clearly hacked Ray's account and is trying to ruin his good name. Could someone at EBANK alert him to what's going on before the hacker does something truly terrible, such as an act of kindness?
Nobzy	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:54:00 - [121] This thread so totally delivers All your serious business MDDs getting all butthurt in their seriousness fighting trolls who don't take pixels as serious business, and lulz ensue :D
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:02:00 - [122] Edited by: T''Amber on 23/05/2010 11:04:25 Originally by: Nobzy This thread so totally delivers It worked for Anhk, it can work for me. Originally by: Nobzy All your serious business MDDs getting all butthurt in their seriousness fighting trolls who don't take pixels as serious business, and lulz ensue :D I think maybe the fact that I get any isk with no return nor completely outlined plan other than trusting me may hurt sensibilities a little. Its all good, I don't expect everyone to get it nor even be vaguely interested in taking part. this is intentional. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
RAW23	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:24:00 - [123] Edited by: RAW23 on 23/05/2010 11:25:12 Originally by: T'Amber I think maybe the fact that I get any isk with no return nor completely outlined plan other than trusting me may hurt sensibilities a little.* Its all good, I don't expect everyone to get it nor even be vaguely interested in taking part. Not really. I think what annoys people (and by "people", I mean me) is that the mods, who have in the past removed perfectly legitimate MD topics to the ass end of nowhere seem happy to leave this one where it is despite it having absolutely nothing to do with MD. Inappropriate application of the term "investment" does not a legitimate MD thread make. This is a request for donations and has nothing to do with markets or the discussion of markets. What hurts sensibilities a bit is the fact that you haven't asked the mods to move the thread yourself, despite being told by pretty much every regular participant in this forum that it is in the wrong place. You are also hurting your own cause. People do not come to MD looking for places to donate their cash. I would probably have thrown in a few hundred mil if I had seen this in another forum but I'm not going to validate a non-investment's presence in MD by supporting it whilst it is here.
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:44:00 - [124] Edited by: SetrakDark on 23/05/2010 11:46:20 Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: T'Amber I think maybe the fact that I get any isk with no return nor completely outlined plan other than trusting me may hurt sensibilities a little.* Its all good, I don't expect everyone to get it nor even be vaguely interested in taking part. Not really. I think what annoys people (and by "people", I mean me)... I am personally very upset that this upstart outsider is using our forum without the consent and approval of The MD Council. Furthermore, I am angered by the blatant disrespect for the MD Elites expressed by the OP and his followers. Finally, I am frustrated that he is succeeding wildly despite throwing all of the MD Elite's carefully crafted rules and conventions to the wind. This thread represents a clear and present danger to our control of this forum, and even our very way of life. I cal upon all MD Elites to use all their powers of annoying questioning and snooty condescension to destroy this thread...while we still can! Edit: Also, did you buy tech when I told everyone to? I hope so. I don't think I'll ever have to trade again
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 12:07:00 - [125] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: T'Amber I think maybe the fact that I get any isk with no return nor completely outlined plan other than trusting me may hurt sensibilities a little.* Its all good, I don't expect everyone to get it nor even be vaguely interested in taking part. Not really. I think what annoys people (and by "people", I mean me) is that the mods, who have in the past removed perfectly legitimate MD topics to the ass end of nowhere seem happy to leave this one where it is despite it having absolutely nothing to do with MD. Inappropriate application of the term "investment" does not a legitimate MD thread make. This is a request for donations and has nothing to do with markets or the discussion of markets. The reason for this being in this thread can be found on the second or third line, I think I bolded it earlier tonight. Originally by: RAW23 What hurts sensibilities a bit is the fact that you haven't asked the mods to move the thread yourself, despite being told by pretty much every regular participant in this forum that it is in the wrong place. You are also hurting your own cause. People do not come to MD looking for places to donate their cash. I would probably have thrown in a few hundred mil if I had seen this in another forum but I'm not going to validate a non-investment's presence in MD by supporting it whilst it is here. You are making assumptions above that are in error. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
JitaBum Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.23 12:37:00 - [126] Originally by: Youtalkingtome Why is everyone else here so serious? They have to take something someone is trying to do for our community and bash on it like a gay parade? Seriously in the years I have played this game I can not venture a guess why people hate on the forums lol? My previous posts a bit melodramatic yes... Does it get my point across maybe for some others not so much. Is this how I am in real life no, Im extremely disciplined and a leader to many of my subordinates beneath me.If any one can answer my question as to why they have to destroy someone else's ideas here by all means do. Personally I think what T'amber is doing and has done in the past is the most craziest awesomest thing in all of New Eden... Thanks for listening. You're a disgrace
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.23 13:34:00 - [127] I donated some deadspace mods I had leftover.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2010.05.23 13:45:00 - [128] Originally by: RAW23 Not really. I think what annoys people (and by "people", I mean me) is that the mods, who have in the past removed perfectly legitimate MD topics to the ass end of nowhere seem happy to leave this one where it is despite it having absolutely nothing to do with MD. Inappropriate application of the term "investment" does not a legitimate MD thread make. This is a request for donations and has nothing to do with markets or the discussion of markets. What hurts sensibilities a bit is the fact that you haven't asked the mods to move the thread yourself, despite being told by pretty much every regular participant in this forum that it is in the wrong place. You are also hurting your own cause. People do not come to MD looking for places to donate their cash. I would probably have thrown in a few hundred mil if I had seen this in another forum but I'm not going to validate a non-investment's presence in MD by supporting it whilst it is here. ..There really should be an application process for new MD forum users. If a new reader and prospective poster wants to use your MD forums, then they should have to be screened by no less then 3 MD Elites. Furthermore, new applicants will be interviewed no less then 5 times in the following 6 months. After that period, if the new applicant shows strong condescending ability, with an average of no less then 5 posts per day in MD, they will be considered a full MD Elite. At which point the new MD Elite may request a small amount of isk in the form of an IPO/bond. I mean the nerve of T'Amber. How dare he NOT report his own thread, even when MD Elites have TOLD him to! This will be delt with.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 13:48:00 - [129] Edited by: Ray McCormack on 23/05/2010 13:49:30 There is not edit above. ^^ Originally by: T'Amber The reason for this being in this thread can be found on the second or third line, I think I bolded it earlier tonight. Originally by: T'Amber You are making assumptions above that are in error. This guy avoids the issues better than Chairman Ray, kudos. Ambie, it's not that we don't like what you're doing, it's how you're doing it that gets our goat. We probably will donate to your cause, but please don't call it an investment and please request the thread be moved to a different forum. Then we'll be cool and I'll buy you a beer for the Bulls butt-thrashing the Crusaders last night. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2010.05.23 13:58:00 - [130] Originally by: Ray McCormack We probably will donate to your cause, but please don't call it an investment and please request the thread be moved to a different forum. ..When you say "We" who all are you referring to? Also, why do you care so much about this thread going into a different forum? And to T'Amber, don't buy it, it's a trap.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:03:00 - [131] Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..When you say "We" who all are you referring to? None of your business, guy. Those that need to know, know. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:11:00 - [132] Originally by: Ray McCormack None of your business, guy. Those that need to know, know. ..We = nobody.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:20:00 - [133] Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..We = nobody. If you think that why are you here defending your liege against us nobodies? Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:26:00 - [134] Originally by: Ray McCormack Ambie, it's not that we don't like what you're doing, it's how you're doing it that gets our goat. We probably will donate to your cause, but please don't call it an investment and please request the thread be moved to a different forum. Then we'll be cool and I'll buy you a beer for the Bulls butt-thrashing the Crusaders last night. I wasn't avoiding the issue. I told you that you were assuming something that was wrong, and you have - that is not avoiding the topic. Some patience is required though. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:33:00 - [135] Originally by: Ray McCormack If you think that why are you here defending your liege against us nobodies? ..I like your typical canned response. What file did you pull that one out of. Is it "guy on the internets is not agreeing with me, must be snotty"? If you read my posts, I haven't defended T'Amber at all. I even said there's a good chance it's a scam. What I've commented on is the trials and tribulations that the holy MD Elite are going through right now. No name losers posting in THEIR sub forum! Without permission!! The nerve! And then absolutely REFUSING to delete his thread after the holy mystics of markets that are the Elites have ORDERED him to do so!! Clearly this is dark times for the Keepers Of The Sekret Isk Making and Condescending Council (MD Elite.) The great and terrible CCP mods have forsaken the MD Elites by not vanquishing this traitor called T'Amber!
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:34:00 - [136] Originally by: T'Amber I wasn't avoiding the issue. I told you that you were assuming something that was wrong, and you have - that is not avoiding the topic.[/QUOTE]Unless you say why you are avoiding it. Originally by: T'Amber Some patience is required though. I have none. Want my ISK, make it quick. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah

CCP Adida	Posted - 2010.05.23 15:02:00 - [137] Moved from Market Discussions to Events. Also cleared up some trolling Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online

T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 15:14:00 - [138] Originally by: CCP Adida Moved from Market Discussions to Events. Also cleared up some trolling Thanks Adida. Patience is rewarded. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2010.05.23 15:19:00 - [139] Originally by: Syds Sinclair The great and terrible CCP mods have forsaken the MD Elites by not vanquishing this traitor called T'Amber! I didn't hear you clearly, care to repeat that? PS: Truly, for my part it had nothing to do with who posted. It was what and where. Take it for what it is worth. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 15:21:00 - [140] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Syds Sinclair The great and terrible CCP mods have forsaken the MD Elites by not vanquishing this traitor called T'Amber! I didn't hear you clearly, care to repeat that? PS: Truly, for my part it had nothing to do with who posted. It was what and where. Take it for what it is worth. I'd petitioned them to move it after the first couple of complaints. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
BrottarBritta	Posted - 2010.05.23 15:43:00 - [141] So you're gonna beg for 300B ISK for an event, and you will probably take from that 300B to other events ("Although it is possible that a portion of the isk sent will be used in other investments")? And you already have 200B ISK that you will not use for this event? Awesome What yield can you guarantee more than credits "if possible"...?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.05.23 15:47:00 - [142] Originally by: Shar Tegral It was what and where. For me it was how. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 16:55:00 - [143] Edited by: T''Amber on 23/05/2010 16:56:12 Originally by: BrottarBritta So you're gonna beg for 300B ISK for an event and you will probably take from that 300B to other events Something like that, although I'm not sure what you mean by "other events" Originally by: BrottarBritta ("Although it is possible that a portion of the isk sent will be used in other investments") If it could potentially increase the size of the fund without too much risk this is possible yes. Did I say it like that, if so it should have been "It is possible that a portion of the isk will be using in investments to increase the size of the fund". Originally by: BrottarBritta And you already have 200B ISK that you will not use for this event? I don't have the kind of isk at the moment. Originally by: BrottarBritta Awesome I hope so, alot of effort has been put into designing the games for the event, and theres alot more work to be done while the fund grows. Hope it doesnt take 3 years. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Lord Arbalest Northstar Cabal	Posted - 2010.05.23 17:51:00 - [144] Credit for keeping a cool head and maintaining a sense of humour. Looking forward to seeing what this event is.
BrottarBritta	Posted - 2010.05.23 19:14:00 - [145] Originally by: T'Amber Long answere I cut out since it's a few post above. -T'amber You clearly say that you might use that 300B for other events/investments, so I don't see why your trying to wiggle out of that question? As for the question about your 200B; "Event scalage is expected - I'm experienced in compeltely ridiculous sized ventures. I will also be putting isk into the fund, although seeing as I'm down about 200bil or so it may not be much to start. I'm also expecting this to last for some time." It could be that you've spent those 200B since you wrote that, but I somewhat doubt it :D
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 20:06:00 - [146] Originally by: BrottarBritta Originally by: T'Amber Long answere I cut out since it's a few post above. -T'amber You clearly say that you might use that 300B for other events/investments, so I don't see why your trying to wiggle out of that question? I didn't wriggle out of anything, its on the first page and above where you quoted originally. Regarding funding other events this is a given, the main event isn't just one, but a whole heap of different games and er.. things. Originally by: BrottarBritta As for the question about your 200B; Originally by: T'Amber "Event scalage is expected - I'm experienced in compeltely ridiculous sized ventures. I will also be putting isk into the fund, although seeing as I'm down about 200bil or so it may not be much to start. I'm also expecting this to last for some time." It could be that you've spent those 200B since you wrote that, but I somewhat doubt it :D Thats a communcation error and a local gargon fail, I'm down about 200bil means I've lost about 200bil. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Kephael Caldari SERENDIPITY INC R-I-P	Posted - 2010.05.23 21:06:00 - [147] Originally by: T'Amber Originally by: BrottarBritta Originally by: T'Amber Long answere I cut out since it's a few post above. -T'amber You clearly say that you might use that 300B for other events/investments, so I don't see why your trying to wiggle out of that question? I didn't wriggle out of anything, its on the first page and above where you quoted originally. Regarding funding other events this is a given, the main event isn't just one, but a whole heap of different games and er.. things. Originally by: BrottarBritta As for the question about your 200B; Originally by: T'Amber "Event scalage is expected - I'm experienced in compeltely ridiculous sized ventures. I will also be putting isk into the fund, although seeing as I'm down about 200bil or so it may not be much to start. I'm also expecting this to last for some time." It could be that you've spent those 200B since you wrote that, but I somewhat doubt it :D Thats a communcation error and a local gargon fail, I'm down about 200bil means I've lost about 200bil. -T'amber Why would investors want to give you isk so you can run lotteries at a loss? I think it'd be more fun for an investor in this case to suicide haulers in high sec or self destruct capital ships. __________________________________________
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.05.23 21:17:00 - [148] I have a solution to all the issues above. Cook the man some eggs. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
BrottarBritta	Posted - 2010.05.23 22:04:00 - [149] Originally by: T'Amber Thats a communcation error and a local gargon fail, I'm down about 200bil means I've lost about 200bil. -T'amber Yarr, you're totally right, I read "down TO 200 bil", sorry for that.
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.23 22:40:00 - [150] Edited by: T''Amber on 23/05/2010 22:41:09 Originally by: Kephael Why would investors want to give you isk so you can run lotteries at a loss? I think it'd be more fun for an investor in this case to suicide haulers in high sec or self destruct capital ships. Its not for a lottery - the event will be free for anyone to enter, and I can guarantee it will be more fun than self destructing capitals :) I'm expeciting donations from 10k - 10mil isk. Regarding running lottos at a loss (I'm assuming you mean my ships of eve lottos) that will change after SOE5 - it will be the last one of its type, interest is obviously waining and I'll be trying a different angle to make sure its self sufficiant. Originally by: BrottarBritta Originally by: T'Amber Thats a communcation error and a local gargon fail, I'm down about 200bil means I've lost about 200bil. Yarr, you're totally right, I read "down TO 200 bil", sorry for that. Not a problem! -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
LoveDaddy	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:18:00 - [151] this is gonna rock....I bet it involves covering jita 4-4 in a giants sombrero and naked dancing round it. Ill invest when i log on... Daddy loves you all.
HellGate fr Yarrbear Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.25 14:38:00 - [152] Edited by: HellGate fr on 25/05/2010 14:38:03 I won't donate anything if I don't know what the event is. ITSA TARP!
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.25 14:57:00 - [153] Edited by: T''Amber on 25/05/2010 15:02:20 Originally by: HellGate fr Edited by: HellGate fr on 25/05/2010 14:38:03 I won't donate anything if I don't know what the event is. ITSA TARP! There are traps involved in the parts of the event yes, quite a few infact. Funnily enough I think you're the first person to actually ask about that part :) The "Event" is actually a whole crap load of different events that are relevant to eachother in some way, with both single and team games. Theres a wide range of different types of events to entice all player styles, with rewards and prizes also designed in this way. There will be both individual prizes and an overall winner. EDIT: Also to note is that some of the games aren't finalized yet and are extremely reliant on how much isk is available and also the amount of entrants. Testing of some of these events will be done during the time leading up to it starting (This may take a while so we have time) on sisi which some people may be invited to help test. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Aerilis Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.25 20:57:00 - [154] I feel bad for T'Amber, being ripped into by the MD elites like that. MD is by far the most ruthless forum :P Good luck with your event, I'll try to contribute a little something later.
Linda Lacoste	Posted - 2010.05.26 00:18:00 - [155] Originally by: Aerilis I feel bad for T'Amber, being ripped into by the MD elites like that. MD is by far the most ruthless forum :P MD Elites are one of the most unpleasant people this side of the EVE gate. Not actualy evil, but bad-tempered, bureaucratic, officious and callous. They would emo-rage if a non-elite posts in their holy forum section without the post being signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and extracted as carbon. In general, they have as much sex appeal as a road accident. --- Jokes aside. Whatever plans you have for this event T'amber, they must be grand. Especialy with your past lotteries freshly in memory. I'll try and send you some isk, once I manage to get some positive cash flow again :)
CheechnChongAllAlong	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:41:00 - [156] Even Ackbar knows... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNLuq0lW50k&feature=related
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.28 07:01:00 - [157] Almost reached 1%!!! -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Sorasu StarBorn Technologies	Posted - 2010.05.28 19:40:00 - [158] I hope to participate in some of the events when this is fully funded, I'll give when I can.
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.29 18:43:00 - [159] Four out of Five 3rd Parties have been contacted and they're all wiling to help. One more to go. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com Origin of Symmetry	Posted - 2010.06.10 14:34:00 - [160] Originally by: T'Amber Four out of Five 3rd Parties have been contacted and they're all wiling to help. One more to go. -T'amber This event will be delayed until I have wrapped up all other ventures and can spend more time promoting it. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.06.11 16:10:00 - [161] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Youtalkingtome My previous posts a bit melodramatic yes... Does it get my point across maybe for some others not so much. Is this how I am in real life no, Im extremely disciplined and a leader to many of my subordinates beneath me I think it was obvious to everyone that you are indeed a leader of men. Originally by: SetrakDark Edited by: SetrakDark on 23/05/2010 11:46:20 Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: T'Amber I think maybe the fact that I get any isk with no return nor completely outlined plan other than trusting me may hurt sensibilities a little.* Its all good, I don't expect everyone to get it nor even be vaguely interested in taking part. Not really. I think what annoys people (and by "people", I mean me)... I am personally very upset that this upstart outsider is using our forum without the consent and approval of The MD Council. Furthermore, I am angered by the blatant disrespect for the MD Elites expressed by the OP and his followers. Finally, I am frustrated that he is succeeding wildly despite throwing all of the MD Elite's carefully crafted rules and conventions to the wind. This thread represents a clear and present danger to our control of this forum, and even our very way of life. I cal upon all MD Elites to use all their powers of annoying questioning and snooty condescension to destroy this thread...while we still can! Edit: Also, did you buy tech when I told everyone to? I hope so. I don't think I'll ever have to trade again You sir, I love you. p.s hai T'Amber
Yuto Kung	Posted - 2010.06.12 07:04:00 - [162] Originally by: T'Amber Originally by: T'Amber Four out of Five 3rd Parties have been contacted and they're all wiling to help. One more to go. -T'amber This event will be delayed until I have wrapped up all other ventures and can spend more time promoting it. -T'amber Where have we heard that one before? Did you wrap up the ShipsOfEVE V scam yet? With your "trustworthy" external party FX?
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com Origin of Symmetry	Posted - 2010.06.12 09:42:00 - [163] Originally by: Yuto Kung Originally by: T'Amber Originally by: T'Amber Four out of Five 3rd Parties have been contacted and they're all wiling to help. One more to go. -T'amber This event will be delayed until I have wrapped up all other ventures and can spend more time promoting it. -T'amber Where have we heard that one before? Did you wrap up the ShipsOfEVE V scam yet? With your "trustworthy" external party FX? Heh, I was wondering when you'd post again, although I thought it would be on a different forum. If you'd like to see why I've had no time to promote this thread come to my channel tomorrow 13th June - anytime from 00:00gmt - 23:00gmt. The channel is called "www.shipsofeve.com" and the draw for SOEV at around 21:00gmt on the same day. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Sleipnyrr	Posted - 2010.06.13 16:56:00 - [164] So its basically a jita "send me isk ill double it" scammer, only slightly more popular and wont actually return isk even if it was like 10k, which would generally get doubled as bait...
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com Origin of Symmetry	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:12:00 - [165] Originally by: Sleipnyrr So its basically a jita "send me isk ill double it" scammer, only slightly more popular and wont actually return isk even if it was like 10k, which would generally get doubled as bait... I'm pretty sure it states quite clearly that you'll get nothing back. Getting a return would depend on whether you took part in the actual event or not, or whether you care about having something different and fun to do. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE FIVE
Molesty Smurf	Posted - 2010.06.16 22:37:00 - [166] Edited by: Molesty Smurf on 16/06/2010 22:37:57 Originally by: Yuto Kung Where have we heard that one before? Did you wrap up the ShipsOfEVE V scam yet? With your "trustworthy" external party FX? Yes. I have received a whole **** tonne of ships from ships of eve. Next question.
graalman	Posted - 2010.06.17 06:14:00 - [167] Edited by: graalman on 17/06/2010 06:14:15 100M isk sent - we all need another show from T'Amber !!!! [that is the real return guys !!!!]
Kassina Brains	Posted - 2010.06.17 06:20:00 - [168] Edited by: Kassina Brains on 17/06/2010 06:21:03 Originally by: Molesty Smurf Edited by: Molesty Smurf on 16/06/2010 22:37:57 Originally by: Yuto Kung Where have we heard that one before? Did you wrap up the ShipsOfEVE V scam yet? With your "trustworthy" external party FX? Yes. I have received a whole **** tonne of ships from ships of eve. I received both the bonus badger and the Black ops from SOE5... and more important it was named as requested: Widow Vista ! edit - this was graalman too :)
Richard Christy	Posted - 2010.06.17 13:38:00 - [169] Potentially a truly epic scam, gl with it.
fire elf Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.06.18 00:51:00 - [170] Waaazzzupp T !! :D GL with All the Raising of the ISK :) you better make a new Lottery soon.. I feel I might win this next one lol
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com Origin of Symmetry	Posted - 2010.06.18 12:15:00 - [171] Originally by: Richard Christy Potentially a truly epic scam, gl with it. Sorry thought you'd actually done some research before you posted. nvm. -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE X 1.44% of Target Fund Met
Random27	Posted - 2010.06.19 19:03:00 - [172] 12,345,678.90 isk sent... I for one hope T'Amber manages to raise all the cash for this. Given all the fun and games surrounding the SOE lotteries and the ridiculous amount of RL time T' puts into these, I am expecting something truly epic, and I'm sure I won't be disappointed! ps. To all the doubters out there - if you think T'Amber is a scammer, you do know how to use google, right?
fire elf Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.06.20 22:52:00 - [173] BUMP!! :D
Richard Christy	Posted - 2010.06.21 12:18:00 - [174] Originally by: T'Amber Originally by: Richard Christy Potentially a truly epic scam, gl with it. Sorry thought you'd actually done some research before you posted. nvm. -T'amber Nah, no research done; I was busy doing anything else. Regardless, good luck with your isk gathering, scam or not.
stoltz x Amarr Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.06.23 07:07:00 - [175] Originally by: Richard Christy Potentially a truly epic scam, gl with it. Lol! Love you T
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente League of Gentlemen Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.06.25 19:41:00 - [176] Toasting epic bread. Regarding high-sec mining: Originally by: AmarrettoDiAmarr 3-4 million ISK/hr is perhaps .15 0r .20 US$/hr; not quite prison wages and you are around less honest people.
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com Origin of Symmetry	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:03:00 - [177] Some modules have been contracted aswell as some more anon donations thanks! -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE 5.5 win cool stuffÖ
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar Conflagration.	Posted - 2010.06.28 08:55:00 - [178] I want to see this before I die.
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com Origin of Symmetry	Posted - 2010.06.30 02:50:00 - [179] Edited by: T''Amber on 30/06/2010 02:53:39 Originally by: Barkaial Starfinder I want to see this before I die. Me too. If necessary I will sell some accounts to generate some more iskies and maybe a rethink this whole concept - although I do not want to sell tickets (I'd like this to be a free event) it may be necessary.... -T'amber SHIPS OF EVE 5.5 win cool stuffÖ
Maiev Satellizer	Posted - 2010.06.30 10:54:00 - [180] Tnx for the nice mini games in Amarr lately.
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2010.06.30 12:07:00 - [181] Originally by: Ray McCormack So this is what rep grinding gets you? It was either this or an epic mount. Haha, I'm so seven pages late with this. Oh and T, you know I love you, but this is insane!
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.07.03 17:58:00 - [182] Some more item donations thanks! -T'amber [SoE:at8] Win the 1st Publicly available Adrestia and Utu - rare ships
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.07.07 05:35:00 - [183] Almost 3% woot! [SoE:at8] Win the 1st Publicly available Adrestia and Utu - rare ships
Eliserae Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:17:00 - [184] Originally by: cosmoray I may be out of touch, but: 1. Who are you? 2. What do you do? 3. If you have a good/great rep, how did you earn it? Details please.
Y'eroni Alel	Posted - 2010.07.08 10:51:00 - [185] Considering the amount of trolling in here, this has to be epic either way. Sent you 10m :)
Chesty McJubblies	Posted - 2010.07.08 13:26:00 - [186] Almost 1% of the goal in 7 weeks. Should be there in about 14 years at this rate... o_O
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.07.08 19:02:00 - [187] Edited by: T''Amber on 08/07/2010 19:03:34 Originally by: Eliserae Originally by: cosmoray I may be out of touch, but: 1. Who are you? 2. What do you do? 3. If you have a good/great rep, how did you earn it? Details please. T'amber Entertain Entertaining There are some links on the first page if you'd like some more info. Originally by: Y'eroni Alel Considering the amount of trolling in here, this has to be epic either way. Sent you 10m :) Cheers! Trolls feed me and keep me on track. Originally by: Chesty McJubblies Almost 1% of the goal in 7 weeks. Should be there in about 14 years at this rate... o_O :) Maybe, but I've not advertised this or marketed it anywhere except this post and my channel. I'm happy with this being on slow simmer while i finish some other projects I am working on which have been designed with this fund in mind. Theres also still alot of programming, writing and event designing to be done so theres no rush right this minute. -T'amber [SoE:at8] Win the 1st Publicly available Adrestia and Utu - rare ships
Thresh Avery Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.09 04:20:00 - [188] I'll send whatever paltry sum i can to assist you with this. Whatever it is and however long it takes, i want to witness this event. And for other people's benefit, i'm quite familiar with your events and although the possibility of this being a scam is very high, just because of the nature of it, knowing it's you means i'm confident it's totally legit. And it's not as though asking for donations could ever be scamming anyway, to all those morons in the MD forum from pages back. Anyway, good luck getting the funds together!
Thresh Avery Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.09 05:08:00 - [189] Edited by: Thresh Avery on 09/07/2010 05:08:23 Edit: Double post. Whoops!
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.07.09 15:39:00 - [190] Originally by: Thresh Avery And it's not as though asking for donations could ever be scamming anyway, to all those morons in the MD forum from pages back. Anyway, good luck getting the funds together! The original post was worded slightly differently than it is now, possibly in a way to get attention - but I couldn't be sure And Thanks! -T'amber [SoE:at8] Win the 1st Publicly available Adrestia and Utu - rare ships
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.07.22 06:15:00 - [191] I think theres another 30mil isk in there somewhere [SoE:X]
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.07.23 19:50:00 - [192] Phrinsar Asnurich anonomously donated 1bil. oops. [SoE:X]
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.07.24 19:11:00 - [193] Made some hats and sold em. [SoE:X]
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com Vanir Federation	Posted - 2010.07.26 14:58:00 - [194] 1 billion isk lent @ 10% for 2 months. -T'amber [SoE:X]
Molesty Smurf	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:28:00 - [195] Originally by: T'Amber 1 billion isk lent @ 10% for 2 months. -T'amber I know I promised myself I'd do something to help you out here, so let me know what I can do. I'd like to do something fun, if possible; if not I can just throw some isk at you
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.08.05 03:56:00 - [196] Edited by: mechtech on 05/08/2010 03:56:42 You should start with a smaller event to show a basic idea of what you're going for. Maybe a 10-20B isk event to start out, then 300B. Only Chribba could raise 300B like this, and even that might take some time.
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.05 16:54:00 - [197] Originally by: mechtech Edited by: mechtech on 05/08/2010 03:56:42 You should start with a smaller event to show a basic idea of what you're going for. Maybe a 10-20B isk event to start out, then 300B. Only Chribba could raise 300B like this, and even that might take some time. I run 120bil isk events all the time and most people are aware of what I do. The reason for this being so slow is that I've been busy in RL and haven't had time to make isk or to promote this. I'm still waiting on the wallet tracking software - I should have gone and learnt php, it would have taken me less time... [SoE:X]
Skilluuhh	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:20:00 - [198] Items donated by me: siigari kitawa's frozen corpse which was auctioned for 200m isk!! thx @ chribba for the bid
AtheistOfFail Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.08.07 11:25:00 - [199] Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 07/08/2010 11:25:35 Originally by: T'Amber Four third parties have confirmed interest with varying levels of involvement. Correction: Four third parties and one really crazy noob. Shameless Plug below. ~~~~~Signature Starts Here~~~~~ Need a 3rd party for a transaction? Check out my ad.
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.11 05:43:00 - [200] 3billion isk lent @ 10% p/ month for 3 months. -T'amber [SoE:X]
Vuk Lau	Posted - 2010.08.13 19:35:00 - [201] I donated my naked picture. I would post a link but I dont know is it appropriate or inappropriate sexual content so I could end up permabanned.
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.13 23:59:00 - [202] 1bil isk lent @ 10% for 3 months. -T'amber [SoE:X]
Jovan Geldon	Posted - 2010.08.17 22:40:00 - [203] Originally by: Vuk Lau I donated my naked picture. I would post a link but I dont know is it appropriate or inappropriate sexual content so I could end up permabanned. You say "inappropriate" like it's a BAD thing
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.18 03:49:00 - [204] Originally by: T'Amber 3billion isk lent @ 10% p/ month for 3 months. 100,000,000isk interest paid for month 1, 200mil isk remaining with 23 days left to pay. [SoE:X]
Xydonus Xavior	Posted - 2010.08.24 06:20:00 - [205] Sounds like lots of unique and interesting ships will be acquired for this epic event :P
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.24 08:12:00 - [206] Originally by: Xydonus Xavior Sounds like lots of unique and interesting ships will be acquired for this epic event :P I'm sure i don't know what you're talking about. -T'amber [SoE:X]
Macmuelli Gallente Meltd0wn	Posted - 2010.08.24 08:25:00 - [207] I `m supporting u with 500 mio isks. Let the found raise. breg mac eve since 2003 Do we need, Ice mining drones?
JC Anderson Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.09.01 19:50:00 - [208] Edited by: JC Anderson on 01/09/2010 19:52:34 Oh hell I'm curious now.. 100mil sent for the event fund/donation thingy doo.
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.02 04:36:00 - [209] Originally by: T'Amber Originally by: T'Amber 3billion isk lent @ 10% p/ month for 3 months. 100,000,000isk interest paid for month 1, 200mil isk remaining with 23 days left to pay. 200mil remaining interest paid for this month. Still awaiting payments from the other loan. -T'amber [SoE:X]
JC Anderson Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.09.02 12:07:00 - [210] Edited by: JC Anderson on 02/09/2010 12:08:14 Originally by: AtheistOfFail Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 07/08/2010 11:25:35 Originally by: T'Amber Four third parties have confirmed interest with varying levels of involvement. Correction: Four third parties and one really crazy noob. Shameless Plug below. Hah, I like the xbox achievement thingy. :) Edit: Hrm you sig rotates so the above statement may not make much sense to people unless they are seeing the same sig that I did at the time. ;)
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.09.03 21:29:00 - [211] Originally by: JC Anderson Edited by: JC Anderson on 02/09/2010 12:08:14 Originally by: AtheistOfFail Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 07/08/2010 11:25:35 Originally by: T'Amber Four third parties have confirmed interest with varying levels of involvement. Correction: Four third parties and one really crazy noob. Shameless Plug below. Hah, I like the xbox achievement thingy. :) Edit: Hrm you sig rotates so the above statement may not make much sense to people unless they are seeing the same sig that I did at the time. ;) Yea, it's hosted on this site. It rotates. I was using it as a placeholder till i got mine made. Now i hold the only Chimera-flavored 3rd Party signature that also doubles as a clickable advertisement.
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.08 05:08:00 - [212] Originally by: T'Amber 1bil isk lent @ 10% for 3 months. -T'amber 100mil isk paid in interest, reason was incorrectly put as "donation" instead of "interest" -T'amber [SoE:X]
LimitedEdition T'amber Gallente www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.09.14 17:36:00 - [213] 100mil received for interest payment. 500mil remaining for this month. T'ambers alt with more than 10 people in corp. 300bil Eve Events Fund. need halp.
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.17 19:16:00 - [214] The four active writers for SOEX have been paid their first paycheck @ 400mil isk each. -T'amber [SoE:X]
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.19 05:58:00 - [215] SOEX as a Charity has been cancelled. The events from within SOEX will be released as seperate low cost events to be announced soon. Thankyou to everyone that donated, your isk should have been refunded. Please contact me if you haven't recieved your donation back. -T'amber [SoE:UTU] Win a rare ship for 10mil
Coil Sharpe	Posted - 2010.09.19 13:58:00 - [216] Bummer... well I got my ISKies back. Everyone to the UTU lottery!
T'Amber Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.09.26 06:01:00 - [217] Anyone who has not recieved their Isk please convo me asap thanks. T'amber [SoE:UTU] Win a rare ship for 10mil

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