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Veloran
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Posted - 2010.05.23 09:52:00 -
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I've tried to make this point to CCP before, but never really provided real statistics to back it up. So from a 7 year old player, here is my final appeal using real people and their accounts.
Those listed are representative of a much larger group I know who no longer play, but 5 examples should suffice for the trend.
All of these express a desire to play, but don't play.
They are all adults and obviously willing to pay for multiple accounts.
Every one of them currently plays WoW instead (with one account).
1.) Player 1 - 2 accounts
'EVE is a huge time sink, and I just don't have time to play.'
2.) Player 2 - 3 accounts
'I hate having my stuff taken from me all the time. You spend all this time getting setup, only to have it destroyed. Not interested.'
3.) Player 3 - 3 accounts
'EVE isn't worth it anymore. Alliances come and go so fast all that time wasted - don't have any desire to do it over again.'
4.) Mine - 4 accounts
'The time and risk isn't worth the reward. This game favors the griefers, and quite frankly, most people I've run into are more interested in building, creating, and exploring than killing, stealing, and destroying.'
5.) Player 5 - 6 accounts
'Set me in a good system and let me mine and I'd be happy - but that never happens becuase it's too easy to get ganked. I don't have time for this game - I have a RL and feeding posses and now PI all take constant maintenance.'
We all get taken in by the awesome trailers and promise of new content, reactivate the accounts... and realize it DOESN'T come close to playing like the trailers, still given over to the griefers and quick kills, and it's still extremely slow paced. In the web development world, everyone knows that if your page takes 30 seconds or over to load, you've lost your audience. It takes 30 seconds to dock and switch ships, undock or use a gate if you've been fleeted, and let's not even go into travel - especially travel in empire which is supposed to be secure, but is nowhere near secure. The fact that almost everyone I know has multiple accounts is an obvious indictment against the pace of this game.
Please speed things up. And I don't mean response time. I mean the actual mechanics of playing this game. 30 seconds to dock and switch anything? 3 minute mining cycles? Time to travel 20 jumps round trip? Time to gather all the items you need in 5 stations for a new setup? The time to scan out an object? Time to setup or takedown a pos? It's mind numbingly boring. For once, try favoring the builder, explorer, producer over the destroyers. At least level the playing field. And if empire is going to be secure, make it secure.
You could have 20 servers with 40,000 (real) people, or one server with 20,000 people who on average pay for 2 accounts, although the average is probably more like 3 per person.
I didn't pay for 4 accounts because I like spending 60 bucks a month, I paid for them because that was the number of accounts I could run to keep from getting bored while I mined/travelled/scanned/sold items etc etc etc. Bottom line, people would pay for this, but the time and risk is just not worth the reward.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.05.23 09:54:00 -
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18 accounts?
Canceled?
I see the therapy is finally showing effect.
Great going!
*thumbs up*
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.05.23 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: Boltorano on 23/05/2010 10:03:16
Could I have a TL;DR version please?
Edit: I got tired of waiting and decided to read your post instead. Oh the irony!
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yarr
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.23 09:57:00 -
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That's probably a lot of stuff.
May I?
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Wieting Foyu
Gallente
Foyu Trading World
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:01:00 -
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Those of us that actually don't need more than one account feel it is well worth it. With 4 accounts you are multiplying all your time issues X4. Use just one account and use the money you saved to buy a life.
I love how it's the ones that have multiple accounts that whine about how much fun they aren't having.
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Swiftgaze on 23/05/2010 10:03:32
Guys, not 18 of his accounts, he only had 4.
Nice constructive posting OP, too bad you're fighting against windmills here.
 Originally by: Wieting Foyu
I love how it's the ones that have multiple accounts that whine about how much fun they aren't having.
You just completely pulled this out of your ass, didn't you?
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:04:00 -
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So you've been playing EVE for 7 years and all you want is for someone to leave you in peace while you happily mine to your heart's content and the dirty griefers won't leave you alone so you will BAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW and cancel your 100 accounts and go play WOW? OK.
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Caia
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:07:00 -
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Fallacy much?
Quote:
1.) Player 1 - 2 accounts
'EVE is a huge time sink, and I just don't have time to play.'
Every MMORPG is a time sink. If this is why he quit, then he shouldn't be playing any MMORPG at all.
Quote:
2.) Player 2 - 3 accounts
'I hate having my stuff taken from me all the time. You spend all this time getting setup, only to have it destroyed. Not interested.'
Also not quitting because of time constraints. He's quitting because he doesn't like the PvP in the game.
Quote:
3.) Player 3 - 3 accounts
'EVE isn't worth it anymore. Alliances come and go so fast all that time wasted - don't have any desire to do it over again.'
Again, this person is more interested in a stable alliance than the time wasted.
Quote:
4.) Mine - 4 accounts
'The time and risk isn't worth the reward. This game favors the griefers, and quite frankly, most people I've run into are more interested in building, creating, and exploring than killing, stealing, and destroying.'
In other words, "I can't find anyone to do what I want to do." Also, he doesn't like the PvP aspect of the game.
Quote:
5.) Player 5 - 6 accounts
'Set me in a good system and let me mine and I'd be happy - but that never happens becuase it's too easy to get ganked. I don't have time for this game - I have a RL and feeding posses and now PI all take constant maintenance.'
Doesn't like to be ganked.
Very little of the reasoning behind these people quitting is due to it being a time sink it seems.
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Musical Fist
Gallente
The Unknown Bar and Pub
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Musical Fist on 23/05/2010 10:08:28
Originally by: Veloran
Leaving eve for wow because my boyfriend is and I need to whine and make crap up here
inb4 leaving eve, batman and can i have all your buff
Seriously though leaving eve for wow is like asking to be demoted at work U MAD?
Also
1- Eve is a timesink thats odd, it mostly gets described as a 'rewarded while not online' game
2- Damn would have been a good troll if you never put this in
Close  but 2 gave it away XD
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:12:00 -
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Yep, well, I have to agree with the OP.
Playing EVE can be extraordinary boring,
in single player mode.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:15:00 -
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The reasons your provide have no bearing on what this game is about; clearly you're not playing it right.
You're essentially cancelling your subscription to a men's health magazine because it doesn't teach you how to knit.
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Veloran
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Caia
Fallacy much?
Quote:
1.) Player 1 - 2 accounts
'EVE is a huge time sink, and I just don't have time to play.'
Every MMORPG is a time sink. If this is why he quit, then he shouldn't be playing any MMORPG at all.
My point is these people are playing a game, and obviously don't consider it a waste of time. And they would play EVE if it were worth it to them. I want CCP to know why they don't in hopes of CCP making changes so they have something they want to play and come back.
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Steve Celeste
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:21:00 -
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Ssss-
Aaaa-
Ffff-
Eeee-
Tttt-
Yyyy
Safety-dance!
Ah we can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind
Cause your friends donÆt dance and if they donÆt dance
Well theyÆre are no friends of mine
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Veloran
Originally by: Caia
Fallacy much?
Quote:
1.) Player 1 - 2 accounts
'EVE is a huge time sink, and I just don't have time to play.'
Every MMORPG is a time sink. If this is why he quit, then he shouldn't be playing any MMORPG at all.
My point is these people are playing a game, and obviously don't consider it a waste of time. And they would play EVE if it were worth it to them. I want CCP to know why they don't in hopes of CCP making changes so they have something they want to play and come back.
What you want is instant gratification. 
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Veloran
Every one of them currently plays WoW instead (with one account).
Perfect.
Originally by: Veloran
1.) Player 1 - 2 accounts
'EVE is a huge time sink, and I just don't have time to play.'
That's the nature of the game, and the nature of MMORPGs. Playing the wrong game.
Originally by: Veloran
2.) Player 2 - 3 accounts
'I hate having my stuff taken from me all the time. You spend all this time getting setup, only to have it destroyed. Not interested.'
Intrinsic part of the game, potential for loss is why it is worth playing, and it sounds like you aren't very good at it. Playing the wrong game.
Originally by: Veloran
3.) Player 3 - 3 accounts
'EVE isn't worth it anymore. Alliances come and go so fast all that time wasted - don't have any desire to do it over again.'
Alliances come and go? That's not what I've been hearing. But great if it is true - EVE isn't about sticking down a flag that twill be there forever, rather it is about being dynamic. Playing the wrong part of the game (or maybe just the wrong game).
Originally by: Veloran
4.) Mine - 4 accounts
'The time and risk isn't worth the reward. This game favors the griefers, and quite frankly, most people I've run into are more interested in building, creating, and exploring than killing, stealing, and destroying.'
The risk is the reward. In game risk/reward must be balanced, but you play EVE for the risk, the challenge, because the only reward is lost time and monopoly money. If you want to just amass virtual items, to build endlessly, you are playing the wrong game.
Originally by: Veloran
5.) Player 5 - 6 accounts
'Set me in a good system and let me mine and I'd be happy - but that never happens becuase it's too easy to get ganked. I don't have time for this game - I have a RL and feeding posses and now PI all take constant maintenance.'
I hope I don't have to say why this person was playing the wrong game.
Originally by: Veloran
In the web development world, everyone knows that if your page takes 30 seconds or over to load, you've lost your audience. It takes 30 seconds to dock and switch ships, undock or use a gate if you've been fleeted, and let's not even go into travel - especially travel in empire which is supposed to be secure, but is nowhere near secure. The fact that almost everyone I know has multiple accounts is an obvious indictment against the pace of this game.
Please speed things up. And I don't mean response time. I mean the actual mechanics of playing this game. 30 seconds to dock and switch anything? 3 minute mining cycles? Time to travel 20 jumps round trip? Time to gather all the items you need in 5 stations for a new setup? The time to scan out an object? Time to setup or takedown a pos? It's mind numbingly boring. For once, try favoring the builder, explorer, producer over the destroyers. At least level the playing field. And if empire is going to be secure, make it secure.
It's a slow paced game. The fact that you think that it can be sped up without breaking things shows that it is a slow paced game which you don't understand. But if your false analogies make you feel better as you return to World of Warcraft, go for it. Oh, and Empire travel isn't supposed to be secure.
Originally by: Veloran
I didn't pay for 4 accounts because I like spending 60 bucks a month, I paid for them because that was the number of accounts I could run to keep from getting bored while I mined/travelled/scanned/sold items etc etc etc. Bottom line, people would pay for this, but the time and risk is just not worth the reward.
You really do seem to believe that the purpose of playing a game is to accumulate stuff. That stuff isn't real. You have gained nothing. You are wasting your life.
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Brusanan
Beware of Carp
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Brusanan on 23/05/2010 10:32:41
Originally by: Veloran
My point is these people are playing a game, and obviously don't consider it a waste of time. And they would play EVE if it were worth it to them. I want CCP to know why they don't in hopes of CCP making changes so they have something they want to play and come back.
They quit Eve because it is not their kind of game. Why would CCP ruin their game for those who do enjoy it just to satisfy a bunch of ***gots who wish it were WoW?
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Veloran
1.) Player 1 - 2 accounts
'EVE is a huge time sink, and I just don't have time to play.'
How is it CCP's problem if the guy doesn't have the time to spend in their game? EVE is an MMO, and not a casual one. It's a game you need to dedicate time to. If you don't like to dedicate time to a game, don't play it.
Originally by: Veloran
2.) Player 2 - 3 accounts
'I hate having my stuff taken from me all the time. You spend all this time getting setup, only to have it destroyed. Not interested.'
The person was obviously interested enough to get three accounts. I have played this game for years now and still only have one account, so either this person has some serious mood swings (I'm gonna dedicate 45 bucks a month to this! Oh, now I hate the fundamentals of the game... I'm bored, let's do something with more flashing lights) or he 's the kind of person who throws money around and thinks that will automatically get him ahead. Either way, not a great loss.
Originally by: Veloran
3.) Player 3 - 3 accounts
'EVE isn't worth it anymore. Alliances come and go so fast all that time wasted - don't have any desire to do it over again.'
Here's some info that may be news: No matter what you accomplish in your internet spaceships game - the time you invest in it will almost certainly be wasted.
Originally by: Veloran
4.) Mine - 4 accounts
'The time and risk isn't worth the reward. This game favors the griefers, and quite frankly, most people I've run into are more interested in building, creating, and exploring than killing, stealing, and destroying.'
"Favors the griefers"? You've got to be kidding me. Highsec industry and Level 4 missions may be the most profitable things in the game, outside moon mining - which isn't exactly griefing either. Yes, the game allows certain things that other games would label offensive, but that doesn't mean those ways are the best to get ahead. I think you're an industrialist who took some wrong turns and failed to learn from his mistakes.
Too bad your four accounts didn't net you any additional learning.
Originally by: Veloran
5.) Player 5 - 6 accounts
'Set me in a good system and let me mine and I'd be happy - but that never happens becuase it's too easy to get ganked. I don't have time for this game - I have a RL and feeding posses and now PI all take constant maintenance.'
If you get ganked all the time, move somewhere else. It's not rocket science.
I've mined for a bit - not a lot, but I dedicated about half a year to a miner before moving on to other stuff. Never once did I have anyone try to gank me.
Again, I'm left to wonder what would compel a person to spend the time and money to acquire six accounts when he's obviously not interested in any of the core premises of the game. On all those accounts, he didn't once make a PVP char? He didn't once try out pirating? Fine, but if he spent all his time on making a personal industrial empire, he should have had no problem learning how to not get killed.
Originally by: Veloran
You could have 20 servers with 40,000 (real) people, or one server with 20,000 people who on average pay for 2 accounts, although the average is probably more like 3 per person.
A: Having a single shard is EVE's main Unique Selling Point. Taking that away would literally be suicide for the game.
B: Running 20 shards would be much more complicated, and possibly much more expensive than their current setup. CCP has made the decision that maintaining the game's uniqueness (and thereby keeping loyal customers) is more valuable than getting lots of cash.
tl;dr: riveting story, chap.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:34:00 -
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OMG! Not 18 accounts! Please tell me it's not true! 
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NereSky
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:39:00 -
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a 7 yr old player stopping the game for the reasons u have given, leads me to deduce you have not played that account since day 1.
Never ever has this game allowed anyone to mine all day long without risk, i myself have tasted all aspects of the game and after careful consideration there is sooooo much that needs fixing and again soooo much that is spot on and right, quite similar to Rl really.
The harsh enviroment Eve has to offer its denizens is one of choice you either roll with it or go elsewhere (shame in your case it to 7 years to decide)
I would love to be sympaphtic to you i really would, but 7 years man  and your final conclusion is;
The time and risk isn't worth the reward. This game favors the griefers, and quite frankly, most people I've run into are more interested in building, creating, and exploring than killing, stealing, and destroying.'
I would have thought by now that you would have realised creation needs balance with destruction and vice a versa without one there cannot be the other.
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Brusanan
Beware of Carp
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai
Originally by: Veloran
5.) Player 5 - 6 accounts
'Set me in a good system and let me mine and I'd be happy - but that never happens becuase it's too easy to get ganked. I don't have time for this game - I have a RL and feeding posses and now PI all take constant maintenance.'
If you get ganked all the time, move somewhere else. It's not rocket science.
You don't even have to move. Just smarten up, and learn how to avoid getting ganked. It is ridiculously easy to avoid getting ganked, it's just that most carebears are too terrible at the game to figure out how to do it.
You can't blame the gankers. It's not their fault you suck at Eve.
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Jasdemi
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:44:00 -
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-18 accounts!
EVE is dead.
Long live EVE!
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Napro
Caldari
Buccaneers of New Eden
death from above..
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:48:00 -
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I've only had one account active for my entire Eve carrer (5 years)
When I get bored of Eve, I play something else. Your probably seems to be that you want Eve to be the central focus of your life without it ever getting repetitive. That's impossible. No matter what gets changed, it'll get dull if you do if you play too long.
You should cancel your accounts. Come back when you miss the aspects of Eve that you initially enjoyed.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:55:00 -
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In before Nuzzle and Scratch Safety Rangers make EVE a safer place for the OP.
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2010.05.23 10:59:00 -
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The trouble is, Eve is a niche game,and its design basically excludes most people from liking it. Change that so that they DO like it, and you've got a totally different game that the current playerbase don't want to play.
Not muchcan be done about that.
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SetrakDark
Northstar Cabal
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.23 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Marchocias
The trouble is, Eve is a niche game,and its design basically excludes most people from liking it. Change that so that they DO like it, and you've got a totally different game that the current playerbase don't want to play.
Not muchcan be done about that.
Just about to post along these lines.
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eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.23 11:08:00 -
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pvp game since 03 mmkay?
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I met Eliminator1..... I chewed it up, and spat it out. Now, he is my minion.
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Kiva Aharan
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Posted - 2010.05.23 11:17:00 -
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I love Eve's pace. Some call it boring, I call it relaxing. Even PvP is pretty relaxing. I live an otherwise fast-paced life so it is good to be able to get the mining lasers going and kick back to get a little reading done on the side.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.05.23 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 23/05/2010 11:23:35
If someone has got tired of a game then that is fine, move on. Why should the game change though for the reasons given? They do not make any sense at all, for many of us it's why we play. If I want safe I'll play a single player game. And how is alliances being broken an issue? It's one of the best things about this game and why it's so dynamic and alive. And how does a miner managed to get ganked? The only thing that makes sense is the session timers which are there for PVP balance.
This game is a lot more causal friendly than any I have ever played too, including the other game mentioned. I train offline and never have to grind? Great.
Someone playing ANY game for 7 years tells me they got a lot out of it and suddenly known features from the start become an issue? What rubbish. It's like eating at a restaurant for years then saying you always hated the food.
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Leaving Eve
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Posted - 2010.05.23 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist
inb4 leaving eve
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Ulric Drone
Amarr
Glass House
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Posted - 2010.05.23 11:29:00 -
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1 Yes eve is complex.
2 Yes you can loose everything you build up.
3 yes you need atleast 2 accounts in eve to move your cap.
4 And yes if you wanna spend alot RL money you can buy everything.
Thats the game you play.
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