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QT McWhiskers	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:55:00 - [1] So we found a big problem when trying to kill a nighthawk today. Our carrier could not assign fighters to anyone. Thinking it was a glitch, the carrier logged off and we killed the nighthawk with normal methods. Afterwords we decided to do some experimenting, and what we found out was. The carrier can only assign fighters to people who are uncloaked. The carrier can only assign fighters to people who are within overview distance. If you cloak up, you lose control of the drones.
Your Client	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:03:00 - [2] well that is freakin awesome! More of a chance now of catching a ratting carrier!
Demarcus Killjoy.	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:06:00 - [3] Sounds like a carrier fix not an issue. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
War Kitten	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:12:00 - [4] Tell 'em Boxxy...

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:14:00 - [5] So you mean to say I can't give my invisible friend in the next state the $100 I owe him? Software Engineer Core Engineering

QT McWhiskers	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:15:00 - [6] I just blacked out and woke up dumber. Now I have this annoying girl in my head telling me to kill kittens.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:19:00 - [7] Mmmm, carrier pilot tears. The rarest kind. We must be sure to bottle some of these, as there will certainly be another drought shortly. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Omal Oma Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:28:00 - [8] Originally by: QT McWhiskers So we found a big problem when trying to kill a nighthawk today. Our carrier could not assign fighters to anyone. Thinking it was a glitch, the carrier logged off and we killed the nighthawk with normal methods. Afterwords we decided to do some experimenting, and what we found out was. The carrier can only assign fighters to people who are uncloaked. The carrier can only assign fighters to people who are within overview distance. If you cloak up, you lose control of the drones. the underlined is the only thing I see as new and "issue". The rest seem pretty viable and IIRC were already that way. One of the stealth changes CCP? ________________________________________________ <--- My in-game me.
Meno Theaetetus Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:29:00 - [9] Originally by: CCP Atropos So you mean to say I can't give my invisible friend in the next state the $100 I owe him? Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer?
Abraxias	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here.

Jamie Banks Gallente Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: CCP Atropos So you mean to say I can't give my invisible friend in the next state the $100 I owe him? Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? Is that seriously your Sense of Humour, would you rather CCP Devs being on a player level and interacting or would you rather them standing on a pedestal not communicating at all. _____________________________ EVE - Everyone vs. Everyone Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' Check my Bio in-game for good deals on Invention Packs
arbiter reformed Minmatar The Waiting Room.	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: CCP Atropos So you mean to say I can't give my invisible friend in the next state the $100 I owe him? Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? well i have to say im satisfied with that answer
Germaldi's sister Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:38:00 - [13] so now a carrier has to be on grid to give fighters? may as well not bother with fighters cos 1. they cost alot and 2. t2 heavy drones would probably be better for most targets SIG: Yes u can have my stuff really u can!... its all located in Jita Planet 4 Moon 4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant.... if u take ownership of the station u can have it!!
Meno Theaetetus Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff.
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:42:00 - [15] Originally by: War Kitten Tell 'em Boxxy... Im going to have nightmares for weeks. No not the ship...
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:42:00 - [16] its in the patch notes, carriers now must expose themselves on grid and uncloaked to assign fighters. Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Simeon Tor	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: CCP Atropos So you mean to say I can't give my invisible friend in the next state the $100 I owe him? Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? What do you expect, it's a dev, not a member of the PR or marketing divisions.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:48:00 - [18] Edited by: Grath Telkin on 27/05/2010 01:48:52 Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff. Just to be clear: Your playing the single most undocumented game in history, And your mad about something that was undocumented. In that game Ok, keep going.
David88x77 Galactic Express	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:52:00 - [19] I like CCP's answer :)
Danks Caldari Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff. I'm not sure what they could do to aid your reading comprehension...

Memphis Raines	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff. Get the sand outta your vag. It was a joke ffs.
Uncle Lim	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:59:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Atropos So you mean to say I can't give my invisible friend in the next state the $100 I owe him? Funny how I can actually do that in EVE... Friend cloaked in the next system, or in a wormhole, and I can still wire him 100 ISK.
EviLIntent777	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:59:00 - [23] ok well it was my carrier and the issue was that i can no longer assign fighters without being on grid ... so my question is is this a bug or a change that someone decided not to tell us about??
Hofbrau Dunkel	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff. If you don't like how they run PR, feel free to quit and gimme your stuff
Meno Theaetetus Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Grath Telkin Edited by: Grath Telkin on 27/05/2010 01:48:52 Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff. Just to be clear: Your playing the single most undocumented game in history, And your mad about something that was undocumented. In that game Ok, keep going. I'm sure the dev needs you guys to cheer his corner... So game mechanic or game bug?
Abraxias	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:03:00 - [26] Edited by: Abraxias on 27/05/2010 02:05:52 Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So game mechanic or game bug? here you go.
Captain Muscles Caldari Clan Farthammer	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:04:00 - [27] Originally by: HeliosGal its in the patch notes, carriers now must expose themselves on grid and uncloaked to assign fighters. at internet spaceship perverts. Mommy, mommy, there's the man who jumped out of the bushes at the park and assigned fighters to me! You both made me giggle and trolled me well. I actually tried to search the patch notes for this change you describe. ------------------------------------- This space is reserved in case someone points out the change really is there and I can't search for crap. Be warned though, I have no qualms about employing the Chewbacca defense. ------------------------------------- ____________________ Captain Muscles sez:
Akasshia	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:08:00 - [28] Originally by: HeliosGal its in the patch notes, carriers now must expose themselves on grid and uncloaked to assign fighters. i do not see this in the patch notes. where did you get this info??
Meno Theaetetus Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Abraxias Edited by: Abraxias on 27/05/2010 02:05:52 Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So game mechanic or game bug? here you go. What do you think Abraxias? bug or mechanic?
Abraxias	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Edited by: Abraxias on 27/05/2010 02:05:52 Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So game mechanic or game bug? here you go. What do you think Abraxias? bug or mechanic? I would say, file the Bug and let the experts decide. They may even give you a reason for their determination.

Traspace	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:13:00 - [31] Originally by: War Kitten Tell 'em Boxxy... That made me rofl
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:34:00 - [32] Yup i can;t delegate fighters to anyone not on the same grid as me
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:37:00 - [33] Edited by: Windjammer on 27/05/2010 02:40:31 If true, it'll be the same technique they used last patch to gut/nerf the Moros. Then a couple days after the release they slipped the addition into the patch notes. A side note: I do not need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company we pay money to making wiseass comments in the forums when a reasonable question is asked. Have a little respect for your customers. You aren't the only act in town. Windjammer
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:02:00 - [34] Originally by: War Kitten Tell 'em Boxxy... What the ****? Store
JC Anderson Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.27 04:34:00 - [35] Originally by: Brock Nelson Originally by: War Kitten Tell 'em Boxxy... What the ****? Don't ask. Boxxy is an annoyingly popular internet fad much like Cocolate rain. If you go as far as to watch other Boxxy videos on youtube then please understand I am not responsible for the carnage wrought upon your psyche.
Pikkuhukka Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2010.05.27 05:43:00 - [36] Originally by: JC Anderson Originally by: Brock Nelson Originally by: War Kitten Tell 'em Boxxy... What the ****? Don't ask. Boxxy is an annoyingly popular internet fad much like Cocolate rain. If you go as far as to watch other Boxxy videos on youtube then please understand I am not responsible for the carnage wrought upon your psyche. my luvs boxxy <3
AnonyTerrorNinja Minmatar Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:07:00 - [37] Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 27/05/2010 06:17:12 Captain Carrier > Launch all zig! Captain Carrier > Men, I want you to get out there and support First Sergeant Fluffles! Firbolgs > Neg Captain, we lack locus signal. Captain Carrier > Someone set them up the signal. First Sergeant Fluffles > Gentlemen, take your time. Firbolgs > Captain, we have signal. Captain Carrier > Main screen turn on! Captain Carrier cloaks Firbolgs > ._. C... Captain? Firbolgs > Someone set up us the bomb... Yes, I realise I just completely and utterly butchered it, but come on - do you honestly expect fighters to work while you're cloaking and to magically be able to warp to whoever they're supposed to support without first locking onto their warp tunnel? If this is intended, it'll bring carriers to the front lines where they belong or at LEAST place carriers at SOME risk of being caught out. edit And here you have it, apparently it's regarded as an issue But then, could still be a stealth 'feature' until further notice. ---
Nemesis Factor Caldari Telanus' Reach	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:34:00 - [38] Edited by: Nemesis Factor on 27/05/2010 06:34:14 I have no issue with carriers losing control of drones when they cloak, I never even used this method because I assumed that's what would happen. What I DID do quite regularly is sit in a deep safe and delegate drones to my fleet members. I know deep safes are gone, but I wouldn't mind hopping around safes while delegating. If I have to let reds see my Thanny, I may as well sell it and make a buck off of losing my carrier. ==================== ~/~ Sultan of Buruni
Companion Trollin You are going too fast	Posted - 2010.05.27 09:07:00 - [39] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff. I love your rhetoric. If you're not happy, leave. ps: It sucks to want. ♥ Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts dealing with sexual orientation have been removed. Please keep this discussion on-topic. Thanks. -- Shadow
Meno Theaetetus Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.27 10:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Companion Trollin Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff. I love your rhetoric. If you're not happy, leave. ps: It sucks to want. I love your mom. ps: It wants to suck.

Dlardrageth ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Windjammer [...] A side note: I do not need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company we pay money to making wiseass comments in the forums when a reasonable question is asked. Have a little respect for your customers. You aren't the only act in town. Respect for the individual customers? From a CCP dev? That's a new one... Maybe you should take up your issue with CCP's "Internal Affairs" divison, but hey, I can tell you the outcome already now - their logs will show nothing... IB4 CCP FanboiZ
Darwin Duck Nemesis Theory Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:23:00 - [42] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: CCP Atropos So you mean to say I can't give my invisible friend in the next state the $100 I owe him? Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? And the problem is?
Grarr Dexx Amarr GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:27:00 - [43] Can't you just... Get outside forcefield, delegate fighters and then make them warp around with the person who has them? I don't see a problem here, infact its good that carriers now need to be a little bit more involved in order to get their drone support. ___
Lord EmBra	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:34:00 - [44] Edited by: Lord EmBra on 27/05/2010 11:34:39 it's listed as an issue here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1324781
Intoagun Deshana Minmatar Sentinel Eradicators of Doom	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:10:00 - [45] Originally by: CCP Atropos So you mean to say I can't give my invisible friend in the next state the $100 I owe him? Atropos, all I can say right now is that I love you for this comment.
Baneken Gallente Aseveljet	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:19:00 - [46] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff. Yep, his definetly a first timer here. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Illwill Bill House of Tempers	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:24:00 - [47] The old "I didn't read patch notes and now my game is broken" troll, eh? Old troll is old. 1/10. Also, lol, you failed to read patch notes before clicking install. Additionally, it really infuriates me, when people use some pointless rant about signatures as a sig.
Ferdio Ricotez Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:34:00 - [48] Edited by: Ferdio Ricotez on 27/05/2010 17:34:21 Originally by: Captain Muscles Originally by: HeliosGal its in the patch notes, carriers now must expose themselves on grid and uncloaked to assign fighters. at internet spaceship perverts. Mommy, mommy, there's the man who jumped out of the bushes at the park and assigned fighters to me! You both made me giggle and trolled me well. I actually tried to search the patch notes for this change you describe. ------------------------------------- This space is reserved in case someone points out the change really is there and I can't search for crap. Be warned though, I have no qualms about employing the Chewbacca defense. ------------------------------------- Congratulations, you are now made immortal for all eternity in my signature. That, or until I see a newer citation I like. EDIT: Well, crap, it won't fit. Quote: Say something funny and claim this space!
Vossejongk Caldari Bendebeukers Green Rhino	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:39:00 - [49] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. Employ some public relations staff. Hell please no! PR people are the worst of their kind. All they do is say "They're working on it and I cannot give an ETA when it's done." Or: "As of this moment I have no further information". I love CCP because they (almost) always respond like CCP does.. mostly in a hilarious yet professional way :). ----------------------------------------------- EVE Gate: Originally by: Simeon Tor Soon you'll be saying "Eve has a client?"
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:46:00 - [50] Hopefully the next "slipped feature" will be making impossible to make ships unprobable. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz

Betty Coltrane	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:47:00 - [51] Paying customer alert!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.27 18:04:00 - [52] Want to deploy the DPS a carrier can add to the party? Then commit the carrier. Don't want to commit the carrier? Then you don't get to deploy its DPS. Simple. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
B0XXY Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.05.27 18:07:00 - [53] Originally by: War Kitten Tell 'em Boxxy... Yep, he's trollin'
Donatella D'Tren Harbingers of Chaos Inc. Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.27 18:09:00 - [54] Pity this is a known issue. Here's hoping it become a "feature"! Commit your carrier to the fight, you pansy.
Heimdallofasgard Strategic Insanity	Posted - 2010.05.27 18:20:00 - [55] It's a bug at the moment (link in previous posts) and it's not a change listed in the patch notes. HOWEVER, No problem with it becoming a feature myself... just have the fighters assigned to a person before they warp into battle and the fighters should follow. Also... I reckon the warp to within distance should have 250km and 500km ranges added... it'd expand the grids, and make large fleet warfare more interesting as you could have multiple fronts on a single overview... LAG CENTRAL but still... would be nice... SPEAKING OF LAG... anyone been in any major fleet battles since yesterday? how are the servers holding up? ------- I LIKE DEHYDRATED WATERRRR
Tomcat Gallente Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.27 18:57:00 - [56] Originally by: Tippia Want to deploy the DPS a carrier can add to the party? Then commit the carrier. Don't want to commit the carrier? Then you don't get to deploy its DPS. Simple. A carrier is a warship designed with a primary mission of deploying and recovering aircraft (fighters), acting as a seagoing airbase. Aircraft (fighters) carriers thus allow a naval force to project air power worldwide without having to depend on local bases for staging aircraft operations. They have evolved from wooden vessels, used to deploy balloons, into nuclear powered warships that carry dozens of fixed and rotary wing aircraft. TL:DR Your trollin' or not very smart. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.05.27 19:10:00 - [57] Edited by: Zeba on 27/05/2010 19:11:53 Originally by: Tomcat Originally by: Tippia Want to deploy the DPS a carrier can add to the party? Then commit the carrier. Don't want to commit the carrier? Then you don't get to deploy its DPS. Simple. A carrier is a warship designed with a primary mission of deploying and recovering aircraft (fighters), acting as a seagoing airbase. Aircraft (fighters) carriers thus allow a naval force to project air power worldwide without having to depend on local bases for staging aircraft operations. They have evolved from wooden vessels, used to deploy balloons, into nuclear powered warships that carry dozens of fixed and rotary wing aircraft. TL:DR Your trollin' or not very smart. zomg did you just use a rl naval example to justify bashing a game mechanic change in a game that has nothing to do with the way a rl wet water navy operates? The change is interesting and it will be fun to see how this plays out in future battles. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Captain Megadeath	Posted - 2010.05.27 19:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Zeba zomg did you just use a rl naval example to justify bashing a game mechanic change in a game that has nothing to do with the way a rl wet water navy operates? The change is interesting and it will be fun to see how this plays out in future battles. His example is only half correct anyway. The Soviet Kiev class carriers and Russian Kuznetsov Carrier has nothing to do with projecting air power without the need for bases, but to defend its submarine fleet from surface attack and to provide some ASW capability (through rotary wing craft). Same goes for the British Invincible class carriers. He tried to be a smart arse and failed. Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.05.27 19:37:00 - [59] Originally by: Windjammer Edited by: Windjammer on 27/05/2010 02:40:31 If true, it'll be the same technique they used last patch to gut/nerf the Moros. Then a couple days after the release they slipped the addition into the patch notes. A side note: I do not need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company we pay money to making wiseass comments in the forums when a reasonable question is asked. Have a little respect for your customers. You aren't the only act in town. Windjammer Another side note: You seriously need to unbunch your panties. I think most folks would much rather CCP employees feel free to post on these forums in a relaxed, good natured way... and even be "allowed" to be sarcastic once in a while. It's far preferable to no interaction at all, or PR double talk. If I wanted that, I'd go to one of the many "other acts in town" that spew empty yet polite BS at their paying customers. Frankly, if you are that easily offended, you have indeed chosen the wrong game. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Ghaylenty	Posted - 2010.05.27 19:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Windjammer Edited by: Windjammer on 27/05/2010 02:40:31[/ed A side note: I do not need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company we pay money to making wiseass comments in the forums when a reasonable question is asked. Have a little respect for your customers. You aren't the only act in town. Windjammer actually they are. go back to continuum if you're not happy with these internet spaceships. now your carrier actually has a semblance of balance when compared to subcaps. tough bullet to swallow i know but, trust me, some day soon you'll forget you ever had your i-win buttons and we'll all laugh at how stupid carriers used to be.

omgfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.05.27 19:49:00 - [61] The story of this thread is that the trolls deserve CCP, and CCP deserve the trolls.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:39:00 - [62] Originally by: Tomcat A carrier is a warship designed with a primary mission of deploying and recovering aircraft (fighters), acting as a seagoing airbase. No. A carrier is a capship designed to act as a mobile ship maintenance bay and to provide fleet-level logistics. It can also supplement that fleet with a number of different drones for various purposes ù DPS being one of them. Quote: TL:DR Your trollin' or not very smart. And you spouted some nonsense that has exactly zero relevance to the game we're playing. I don't suppose you didn't notice that EVE carriers do not operate at sea; do not deploy aircraft; are not (and cannot be) deployed "world-wide"; that they have no relationship to any wooden vessels; that there have never been any balloons in EVE, nor any other aircraft (fixed or rotary-wing); that propulsion types (fusion being the closest to the nuclear power you're dribbling about) are not part of the relevant game mechanics. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Hebby	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:52:00 - [63] Originally by: Windjammer Edited by: Windjammer on 27/05/2010 02:40:31 A side note: I do not need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company we pay money to making wiseass comments in the forums when a reasonable question is asked. Have a little respect for your customers. You aren't the only act in town. Windjammer As a paying customer I DO need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company I pay money to making wiseass comment in the forums when a question is asked. Have a little respect for your smartass customers. You are the best act in town.
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.28 01:21:00 - [64] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Windjammer Edited by: Windjammer on 27/05/2010 02:40:31 If true, it'll be the same technique they used last patch to gut/nerf the Moros. Then a couple days after the release they slipped the addition into the patch notes. A side note: I do not need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company we pay money to making wiseass comments in the forums when a reasonable question is asked. Have a little respect for your customers. You aren't the only act in town. Windjammer Another side note: You seriously need to unbunch your panties. I think most folks would much rather CCP employees feel free to post on these forums in a relaxed, good natured way... and even be "allowed" to be sarcastic once in a while. It's far preferable to no interaction at all, or PR double talk. If I wanted that, I'd go to one of the many "other acts in town" that spew empty yet polite BS at their paying customers. Frankly, if you are that easily offended, you have indeed chosen the wrong game. Oh good. Another moronic post from the stealth CCP boy. Either a CCP employee or a fan boy of unbelievable dedication. There is not one thing that anyone says against CCP that you don't respond to on CCP's side. You're too obvious to consider this a career you're any good at. Whatever they're paying you? Too much. When a reasonable question is asked, it is not the place of a CCP employee to make a derisive remark on the subject rather than making an attempt to answer the question. Small childeren with lemonade stands learn that much in their first enterprise. But then this isn't the fist time you've shown your junior level understanding of corporate decision making and public relations. Despite what you "think" most people would prefer a straight answer rather than being made fun of. If that simple fact eludes you, you have indeed chosen the wrong profession. Windjammer
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.28 01:36:00 - [65] Originally by: Ghaylenty Originally by: Windjammer Edited by: Windjammer on 27/05/2010 02:40:31[/ed A side note: I do not need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company we pay money to making wiseass comments in the forums when a reasonable question is asked. Have a little respect for your customers. You aren't the only act in town. Windjammer actually they are. go back to continuum if you're not happy with these internet spaceships. now your carrier actually has a semblance of balance when compared to subcaps. tough bullet to swallow i know but, trust me, some day soon you'll forget you ever had your i-win buttons and we'll all laugh at how stupid carriers used to be. You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered. No matter how successful a company is or how many customers they have, it is never a good idea to tick cutomers off simply for the fun of doing it. Someone somewhere is always working on being a competitor. When that new product hits the market, you want your current customers happy and loyal. Not anngry with you because you don't have the PR sense of a small green apple Windjammer
Abraxias	Posted - 2010.05.28 01:36:00 - [66] Edited by: Abraxias on 28/05/2010 01:37:31 Originally by: Windjammer ..When a reasonable question is asked, it is not the place of a CCP employee to make a derisive remark on the subject rather than making an attempt to answer the question.... Shut up. Get over it. Stop taking yourself and everyone else so seriously. Grow up. Get some thicker skin. Where in the hell do these people come from? Fake Edit: Get a life already. Fake Edit2: :nevermind: Real Edit: Did someone file a bug already?
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.28 01:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Abraxias Edited by: Abraxias on 28/05/2010 01:37:31 Originally by: Windjammer ..When a reasonable question is asked, it is not the place of a CCP employee to make a derisive remark on the subject rather than making an attempt to answer the question.... Shut up. Get over it. Stop taking yourself and everyone else so seriously. Grow up. Get some thicker skin. Where in the hell do these people come from? Fake Edit: Get a life already. Fake Edit2: :nevermind: Real Edit: Did someone file a bug already? Merely because you and others consider yourself a joke is no reason for the rest of us to feel that way about ourselves. As for my skin........it's at least thick enough to withstand your brilliant attack. Windjammer
Abraxias	Posted - 2010.05.28 01:53:00 - [68] Originally by: Windjammer ...Merely because you and others consider yourself a joke is no reason for the rest of us to feel that way about ourselves. As for my skin........it's at least thick enough to withstand your brilliant attack. Windjammer One day some big meanie is gonna knock you off your high-horse, and I hope they post the vid on Evetube so we can all get a kick out of it. Watch out for the low-flying airplanes up there.
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.28 02:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Windjammer ...Merely because you and others consider yourself a joke is no reason for the rest of us to feel that way about ourselves. As for my skin........it's at least thick enough to withstand your brilliant attack. Windjammer One day some big meanie is gonna knock you off your high-horse, and I hope they post the vid on Evetube so we can all get a kick out of it. Watch out for the low-flying airplanes up there. If or when that day comes again, I'll do what I've always done. Get up, beat the crap out of my assailant and carry on. I'll probably be grinning through the entire experience as well. Word of advice, Abraxias.....don't bring a knife to a gun fight........unless you're using it as a back up or alternate weapon to your primary one. Seriously? "Big Meanie"?? Windjammer

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2010.05.29 10:07:00 - [70] Originally by: Windjammer You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered. Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets. Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of. I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem. Software Engineer Core Engineering


Ninetails o'Cat League of Super Evil	Posted - 2010.05.29 10:49:00 - [71] Originally by: CCP Atropos Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev Wait, does this mean you're not a player anymore?
Indimiel	Posted - 2010.05.29 10:52:00 - [72] Originally by: CCP Atropos clarification of misunderstanding There was a brilliant GM in a game I used to play who designed an "Ildran Officiality Index" for his posts on the forums ranging from IOI = 0, which was him just being silly/funny because he as a person enjoyed that to IOI = 5, which could be taken as company dogma. I always felt it was an exceptional method to communicate with the player base without risking miscommunication. You can google it if you like: I was always very impressed by it.
Percy Soars	Posted - 2010.05.29 10:53:00 - [73] Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat Originally by: CCP Atropos Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev Wait, does this mean you're not a player anymore? Bazinga
Miep Miep Ev0ke	Posted - 2010.05.29 10:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat Originally by: CCP Atropos Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev Wait, does this mean you're not a player anymore? If you take a closer look at the last 2 expansions you may start to wonder if theres anyone of them still playing eve.
TR4D3R4LT	Posted - 2010.05.29 11:05:00 - [75] First time that I remember I see some forum alt to troll out a ccp dev. You're really the cancer that's killing eve forums. Good job ensuring we have one dev less which instead of posting decides not to because he might step in someone's toes. Next time try posting serious business with your main. (We both know Windjammer isnt it.)
XJennieX Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.05.29 12:17:00 - [76] well that will be 2 less carries if i cant assign fighters from safety of pos. not gonnna bring em to harms way so could aswell sell em or keep just as logistics tools. if intentional yea very nice change ccp
Daenosa RedDiesel	Posted - 2010.05.29 12:31:00 - [77] Originally by: XJennieX well that will be 2 less carries if i cant assign fighters from safety of pos. not gonnna bring em to harms way so could aswell sell em or keep just as logistics tools. if intentional yea very nice change ccp Good, your not supposed to able to attack things while in the safety of a POS
Qoi New Eden Warriors	Posted - 2010.05.29 13:01:00 - [78] Originally by: TR4D3R4LT First time that I remember I see some forum alt to troll out a ccp dev. You're really the cancer that's killing eve forums. Good job ensuring we have one dev less which instead of posting decides not to because he might step in someone's toes. Next time try posting serious business with your main. (We both know Windjammer isnt it.) QTF
offcopy Caldari OffBeat Creations	Posted - 2010.05.29 13:42:00 - [79] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Windjammer You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered. Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets. Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of. I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem. i have to admit i liked your reply and yes i fly a carrier and a sc so keep them coming its nice to have a dev take the time to even reply and more so with a bit of wit to them. before someone says fan boy i did complain about the changes to the sc before they where sc****d.
Kharamete	Posted - 2010.05.29 13:50:00 - [80] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Hopefully the next "slipped feature" will be making impossible to make ships unprobable. Yes, I too want the unprobability drive in Eve! ---

Wheretoboss	Posted - 2010.05.29 14:04:00 - [81] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Windjammer You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered. Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets. Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of. I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem. For by how much the more pains we take to please the world, by so much the more shall we for ever go thankless.
Ecatherina W Gallente AAA.FSI Holding Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.29 14:50:00 - [82] Why, apart from locking time, would we CARE to assign fighters instead of using them ourselves when on grid with the target? FFS! CCP, this is the 3rd or 4th big **-up you have made with Tyrannis, the possibly most **ed patch-spansion you have done so far. * Empress of the Multiverse *** CEO of AAA.FSI Holding
Fearless M0F0 Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.05.29 23:37:00 - [83] Originally by: HeliosGal its in the patch notes, carriers now must expose themselves on grid and uncloaked to assign fighters. [Citation Needed] Searched through patch notes, there is nothing there about carriers or fighters related to this. -- Fearless M0F0> RELEASE TEH KRAKEN! Teh Kraken> RAWR
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.30 02:15:00 - [84] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Windjammer You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered. Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets. Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of. I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem. This is just about the most impressive post from a dev I've ever seen. If it isn't an apology, it's close enough to count as one. As such, it gives me new hope for EVE and CCP. Too often I see devs make announcements with the tone of "this is the way it is and if you don't like it, love it or leave it". CCP Atropos has just done a great deal to dispel that image. Making a mistake tells people something. It sends a message. It may be easy to forget that when you have the letters CCP in front of your name and you post on the forums, you're speaking as the voice of CCP. Your words have weight that an ordinary players words lack. The way one corrects or responds to a mistake can either compound the original mistake or wipe the mistake from existence and actually leave things in a better place than they were before the original mistake was made. CCP Atropos has just done that. I hope that CCP Atropos will continue to post to these forums. I found the above post from him/her to be a refreshing breeze. Best regards, Windjammer
Hecatonis	Posted - 2010.05.30 02:15:00 - [85] bug or intentional, this should stay. no one should be able to field DPS without having to risk their ship. win buttons are lame Originally by: QT McWhiskers The carrier can only assign fighters to people who are uncloaked. this seems logical, if the person is cloaked how could the fighters communicate or even know where the cloaked ship is. logicality and mechanicly this seems correct Originally by: QT McWhiskers The carrier can only assign fighters to people who are within overview distance this, i can see why that would bug you. logically there shouldn't be an issue you should be able to assign fighters regardless of distance, but in terms of the game one should have risk for engaging in battle. being able to sit a a safe spot or warping around evading attack but still adding DPS to a fight is unfair Originally by: QT McWhiskers If you cloak up, you lose control of the drones. perfectly logical. mechanicly look above, and logically you need to communicate with this fighters, any form of communication could be traced or located, this would ruin your cloak. makes sence to me. it is said to be a bug, but it seems like a good bug to me
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.30 02:35:00 - [86] Originally by: TR4D3R4LT First time that I remember I see some forum alt to troll out a ccp dev. You're really the cancer that's killing eve forums. Good job ensuring we have one dev less which instead of posting decides not to because he might step in someone's toes. Next time try posting serious business with your main. (We both know Windjammer isnt it.) -It was not a troll. CCP Atropos would not have responded if it were. -You give me far too much credit. You really think that I can frighten a dev? Kill the forums? CCP Atropos responded as he/she did because it was the right thing to do, not because he/she had the remotest concern over my "fearful and mighty power". -As I've said on other occasions, the Windjammer character was created solely for posting on these forums. The fact that he is an alt. is readily apparent and is never denied. I created him so that my words would not attract annoyances in the game for myself and those I associate with. If you want to fight me on the forums, fight me with words and because of the words I use and the way I craft them. If you want to fight me in the game, fight me with the things found in the game because of the things I do in the game. Windjammer
Donatella D'Tren Harbingers of Chaos Inc. Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.30 02:37:00 - [87] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Windjammer You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered. Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets. Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of. I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem. This is just about the most impressive post from a dev I've ever seen. If it isn't an apology, it's close enough to count as one. As such, it gives me new hope for EVE and CCP. Too often I see devs make announcements with the tone of "this is the way it is and if you don't like it, love it or leave it". CCP Atropos has just done a great deal to dispel that image. Making a mistake tells people something. It sends a message. It may be easy to forget that when you have the letters CCP in front of your name and you post on the forums, you're speaking as the voice of CCP. Your words have weight that an ordinary players words lack. The way one corrects or responds to a mistake can either compound the original mistake or wipe the mistake from existence and actually leave things in a better place than they were before the original mistake was made. CCP Atropos has just done that. I hope that CCP Atropos will continue to post to these forums. I found the above post from him/her to be a refreshing breeze. Best regards, Windjammer I sincerely hope the next time someone like this breaks out the whaaambulance, more CCP staff makes fun of them, and then tells them to STFU, or HTFU, o something of that nature.
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.30 07:40:00 - [88] Originally by: Donatella D'Tren Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Windjammer You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered. Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets. Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of. I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem. This is just about the most impressive post from a dev I've ever seen. If it isn't an apology, it's close enough to count as one. As such, it gives me new hope for EVE and CCP. Too often I see devs make announcements with the tone of "this is the way it is and if you don't like it, love it or leave it". CCP Atropos has just done a great deal to dispel that image. Making a mistake tells people something. It sends a message. It may be easy to forget that when you have the letters CCP in front of your name and you post on the forums, you're speaking as the voice of CCP. Your words have weight that an ordinary players words lack. The way one corrects or responds to a mistake can either compound the original mistake or wipe the mistake from existence and actually leave things in a better place than they were before the original mistake was made. CCP Atropos has just done that. I hope that CCP Atropos will continue to post to these forums. I found the above post from him/her to be a refreshing breeze. Best regards, Windjammer I sincerely hope the next time someone like this breaks out the whaaambulance, more CCP staff makes fun of them, and then tells them to STFU, or HTFU, o something of that nature. Okay. STFU and/or HTFU or something of that nature. Your wish is my.......well I'm sure you get the idea.
Terrax Norik	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:04:00 - [89] Edited by: Terrax Norik on 30/05/2010 08:10:22 Originally by: Windjammer Okay. STFU and/or HTFU or something of that nature. Your wish is my.......well I'm sure you get the idea. Dude, you are one of the biggest pimples on the face of Eve. You seem to be the only one that doesn't know it. Also, I wish more Devs were like Atropos and felt free enough to joke around with us the forums more, but asshats like you make that nearly impossble.
Xereyn	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:22:00 - [90] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff. Confirming that everyone hates facetious CCP responses, that's why CCP Shadow is so unpopular. Fake edit: Wups, I meant to say: What's wrong with you? CCP's sense of humour is a strong contender for being one of the most awesome things about EVE.

Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:28:00 - [91] On eveonline.com, CCP trolls you! good troll CCP, good troll! 10/10
Chopper Rollins Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:30:00 - [92] Oh hey Windjammer, thanks for your efforts to push CCP devs into the dry, corporate, humourless, officious smugness you seem to use so well. Being called a 'customer' is kind of an insult where i come from, understand? Just so you know. As you were.
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:35:00 - [93] Originally by: Terrax Norik Edited by: Terrax Norik on 30/05/2010 08:10:22 Originally by: Windjammer Okay. STFU and/or HTFU or something of that nature. Your wish is my.......well I'm sure you get the idea. Dude, you are one of the biggest pimples on the face of Eve. You seem to be the only one that doesn't know it. Also, I wish more Devs were like Atropos and felt free enough to joke around with us the forums more, but asshats like you make that nearly impossble. Okay, Mr. Groupie. I want you to step awaaay from the billy goats. Nobody wants to see one of the Gruff bothers get hurt here. Instead why don't you help yourself to the Kool-aide over there on your way out. Windjammer
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:42:00 - [94] Originally by: Chopper Rollins Oh hey Windjammer, thanks for your efforts to push CCP devs into the dry, corporate, humourless, officious smugness you seem to use so well. Being called a 'customer' is kind of an insult where i come from, understand? Just so you know. As you were. Oh, all right. Which term do you prefer instead of customer? John, Trick or Sucker?
Xereyn	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:42:00 - [95] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Windjammer You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered. Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets. Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of. I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem. This is just about the most impressive post from a dev I've ever seen. If it isn't an apology, it's close enough to count as one. As such, it gives me new hope for EVE and CCP. Too often I see devs make announcements with the tone of "this is the way it is and if you don't like it, love it or leave it". CCP Atropos has just done a great deal to dispel that image. Making a mistake tells people something. It sends a message. It may be easy to forget that when you have the letters CCP in front of your name and you post on the forums, you're speaking as the voice of CCP. Your words have weight that an ordinary players words lack. The way one corrects or responds to a mistake can either compound the original mistake or wipe the mistake from existence and actually leave things in a better place than they were before the original mistake was made. CCP Atropos has just done that. I hope that CCP Atropos will continue to post to these forums. I found the above post from him/her to be a refreshing breeze. Best regards, Windjammer And I find your smug, self-righteous pomposity in this post to be an unwelcome gust of rank putrescence. Douchey behaviour towards the devs like yours is going to ruin player/dev interaction in EVE, and by extension is going to make the game worse. Grow up, princess. Lose the entitlement attitude, get a sense of humour, and HTFU.
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:53:00 - [96] Originally by: Xereyn Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Windjammer You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered. Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets. Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of. I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem. This is just about the most impressive post from a dev I've ever seen. If it isn't an apology, it's close enough to count as one. As such, it gives me new hope for EVE and CCP. Too often I see devs make announcements with the tone of "this is the way it is and if you don't like it, love it or leave it". CCP Atropos has just done a great deal to dispel that image. Making a mistake tells people something. It sends a message. It may be easy to forget that when you have the letters CCP in front of your name and you post on the forums, you're speaking as the voice of CCP. Your words have weight that an ordinary players words lack. The way one corrects or responds to a mistake can either compound the original mistake or wipe the mistake from existence and actually leave things in a better place than they were before the original mistake was made. CCP Atropos has just done that. I hope that CCP Atropos will continue to post to these forums. I found the above post from him/her to be a refreshing breeze. Best regards, Windjammer And I find your smug, self-righteous pomposity in this post to be an unwelcome gust of rank putrescence. Douchey behaviour towards the devs like yours is going to ruin player/dev interaction in EVE, and by extension is going to make the game worse. Grow up, princess. Lose the entitlement attitude, get a sense of humour, and HTFU. Let me know if I start to bother you. I'll put it right at the top of my list of things to fix.
Terrax Norik	Posted - 2010.05.30 09:28:00 - [97] Originally by: Windjammer Okay, Mr. Groupie. I want you to step awaaay from the billy goats. Nobody wants to see one of the Gruff bothers get hurt here. Instead why don't you help yourself to the Kool-aide over there on your way out. Windjammer Ok sick puppy; Seek profession help. One good thing to note. With the amount of mud slinging going on here, It shouldn't be too long before this sad display of social discourse gets locked.
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.30 18:12:00 - [98] Originally by: Terrax Norik Originally by: Windjammer Okay, Mr. Groupie. I want you to step awaaay from the billy goats. Nobody wants to see one of the Gruff bothers get hurt here. Instead why don't you help yourself to the Kool-aide over there on your way out. Windjammer Ok sick puppy; Seek profession help. I'm sure you didn't mean to compliment me and advise me to seek the help of a career counseloràà..but thanks for the compliment. Best regards, Windjammer
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.30 18:35:00 - [99] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff. Forwarding this to tomcat, enjoy your kick
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2010.05.30 18:49:00 - [100] Edited by: Mire Stoude on 30/05/2010 18:51:28 Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Originally by: Abraxias Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer? You must be new here. I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff. PR Staff says, "Thank you for your report. We may or may not be aware of such and issue and may or may not be in the process of fixing this! We are very excited to provide you with a game that you love and take these issues very serious! Your efforts are to help us in this matter is very much appreciated!" EDIT: Yes, I too found the Dev response a little perplexing but PR responses often aren't helpful either.

Rolare Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.30 19:03:00 - [101] Originally by: CCP Atropos Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets. Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of. I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem. But... but... this answer is a boooring one :( Besides, your other post was much more fun (I actually thought you answered the question in a funny way, but apparently not xD).
Ekrid Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.06.11 22:08:00 - [102] Originally by: omgfreemoniez The story of this thread is that the trolls deserve CCP, and CCP deserve the trolls. sadly qft alts are for people with a USD/life ratio higher than adolfs K/D in WWII. - Ekrid " i'll log my alt in and check if the station is clear". -Yeah, such a fierce carebear pirate you are-
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.11 22:33:00 - [103] Originally by: Ekrid Originally by: omgfreemoniez The story of this thread is that the trolls deserve CCP, and CCP deserve the trolls. sadly qft Far sadder you felt compelled to dig up a thread whose last post was 12 days ago for the sole reason of giving applause to rubbish. Windjammer


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