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Softcastle McCormick
Amarr Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:39:00 -
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really pl i can't believe you stooped so low as petitioning someone for breaking the eula
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Caladain Barton
Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.05.30 22:53:00 -
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GM's, can we get a Blog about this and what the ruling of the Great :CCP: is ****caging a pos/gate/station?
If it's for lag reasons, lets get T3 Bubbles with extra health so we require less to cover the same amount of space. Think "Drone fix" :-)
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: LadyScarlet on 30/05/2010 23:17:26 take bubbles out of game completely
pretty stupid to have a feature in game which is a legit component be deemed as a exploit whee people can bubble fk pos's to kill caps 50 on each gate to control a system but that same group can travel 50 jumps petition for lag and get them removed .
you cant have it both ways either you allow the bubbles as they are or remove them i dont care which but i can assure you all those systems TCF has bubbled up to plex is no different then any other system if you gonna remove them from one system then do it from them all.
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Linka Milani
Caldari Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Linka Milani on 30/05/2010 23:27:03 Well, if they would have been used normally i would also protest, but this is really ridiculous:
http://img101.imageshack.us/f/bubblesv.png/
It is either a joke gone wrong or an attempt to cause lagg.
Looks like a sound decission from CCP to remove them tbh
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Deja Thoris
Amarr Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: LadyScarlet Edited by: LadyScarlet on 30/05/2010 23:17:26
you cant have it both ways either you allow the bubbles as they are or remove them i dont care which but i can assure you all those systems TCF has bubbled up to plex is no different then any other system if you gonna remove them from one system then do it from them all.
Your bubbles were all anchored next to each other, the purpose wasn't to stop people warping, it was to lag them out. TCF et al place their bubbles so you have to burn a long way to get out of them (i.e. using them for their intended purpose) What you did with the bubbles and what others do bear no resemblance towards each other so the comparison is baseless.
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:40:00 -
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The one alliance that use to be cool and then they go and do something stupid by petitioning people
This would have never happened if Viper was still in charge
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Kushmir
Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.05.30 23:49:00 -
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I don't know why everyone is getting mad at IT. Causing your opponent to blackscreen is the single most reliable way to win in EVE, so why not use every resource you have to reliably achieve that outcome? IT should be commended for their creativity, not berated.
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iosoti
Amarr Astral Community Enterprises Rogue Elements.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:35:00 -
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band of whiners
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Rawbone
Gallente I.M.M Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:38:00 -
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Quote: Your bubbles were all anchored next to each other, the purpose wasn't to stop people warping, it was to lag them out. TCF et al place their bubbles so you have to burn a long way to get out of them (i.e. using them for their intended purpose) What you did with the bubbles and what others do bear no resemblance towards each other so the comparison is baseless
Exactly how much do you want to leave to the discretion of individual GM's? If bubbles are an exploit, remove them. If not, leave them alone. Anyhing else justifies CCP's right to occasionally affect change on a whim.
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Minerstrue
Gallente 1st Steps Academy Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:38:00 -
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So we are able to petition bubbles... can we petition 900+ ships? I hate to pull down the old lame comment but didn't IT alliance publicly claim they would lag out the server with their ships drones and capitals? At this point CCP should outlaw drones, capitals, fighter, fighter bombers, wrecks, pods, as well as these horrendous bubbles. In fact a fine should be added of 100 million isk per offense. This isk should then be funneled to me and my alts for spending.
Also I think this tactic of dropping bubbles should be the most extreme offense followed by using more than 2 titans as titans create lots of lag just putting 30 on field is obviously a lag instigator tactic. CCP should equate this to 150 normal capitals. This equates to 600+ BS. Any use of mass numbers of frigates is obviously another lag out tactic so we should as well limit the number of frigates in any engagement to 75. Anymore than these numbers should be automatically removed from system to jita.
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Dogbeast
Minmatar Darkwave Technologies Blade.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 00:42:00 -
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If bubbles that cause lag are an exploit, how about alts/mains in shuttles (or random throw away ships) all crowding into the system to create lag? And how close is too close to be considered an exploit? Do bubbles have to be at least 10k from each other? 15k? 20k?
People will use what they have available to them.
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Noobjuice
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 01:26:00 -
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Edited by: Noobjuice on 31/05/2010 01:28:49
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: mkd0815 i think the GM's did already inform IT FC's that anchoring 50+ bubbles at a Gate was creating massive Lag during jumpin when they removed 70+ Large Bubbles during the last big fight in PXF when IT Pets with help from a small IT fleet did do the same thing.
if they had setup the bubbles to cover a maxim area of effect so everybody would need to burn out 80KM perhaps it would be different but stacking them up all on top of each other only serves the reason to maximize the lag players jumping in experience and it gives the enemy better chances to kill the enemy while they are still loading the grid and are defenceless
QFT. Just a quick glance at the picture shows many bubbles just inside eachother, serving no purpose but to increase lag.
Because bubbles don't get shot or bombed ever
Pl reports are that the load lag wasn't at all bad.
Once loaded the lag only serves to buy the attackers the time to MWD out of the bubbles (at no Capacitor cost).
The bubbles were there to buy the defenders time to kill the attackers before they could warp off and any lag caused by the bubbles was negligable when compared to the 700 pilots in system all firing/repping/launching drones etc.
Pl got stomped Pl went running to the GM The GM made a bad call
**** happens, time to move on and prepare for next weekends attempt to down our CSAA's
You have captain stabwash, the circle of washed up fail is complete. I bet he's Anzacs best too.
Edit: Erased an over eating analogy re: overbubbling to help certain IT members understand, but it won't help.
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Rex Mundus
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 01:27:00 -
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GMs waited until we had left before removing them, they didn't have the intended effect anyway as we loaded the system pretty much fine - thanks to them being bunched together we didn't have to drive that far to get out of them.
It saved you having to pick them all up again, so I've no idea why you're being so melodramatic about it. You knew it was considered an exploit as you were there when GMs deleted BLASTs bubbles when they tried precisely the same trick under similar circumstances. Try spotting the pattern if that helps.
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Totally Rafiki
Amarr Crimson Nation
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Posted - 2010.05.31 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: McKinlay Creating lag is a EULA violation and any items placed in that way are forfeit without reimbursement. Please be careful in the future with placing so many objects in space.
..Because crying to your mommy every-time something goes wrong is EXACTLY what PL is now all about. Props, you've fallen a long long way. First you get 75% of all your assets stolen, then you lose all your space, you get caught w/local exploit, and now you cry to the GM's because EVE isn't FAIR :( :(
Oh the world! it hurts!
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Hubris
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist The one alliance that use to be cool and then they go and do something stupid by petitioning people
This would have never happened if Viper was still in charge
I AGREE
FREE VIPER
petition legion amirite?
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Koronos
Minmatar Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Mundus GMs waited until we had left before removing them, they didn't have the intended effect anyway as we loaded the system pretty much fine - thanks to them being bunched together we didn't have to drive that far to get out of them.
And yet you felt the need to petition them.
Originally by: Musical Fist The one alliance that use to be cool and then they go and do something stupid by petitioning people
"use to be" badass maybe. Use to be cool? When the hell was that?
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: LadyScarlet Edited by: LadyScarlet on 30/05/2010 23:17:26
you cant have it both ways either you allow the bubbles as they are or remove them i dont care which but i can assure you all those systems TCF has bubbled up to plex is no different then any other system if you gonna remove them from one system then do it from them all.
Your bubbles were all anchored next to each other, the purpose wasn't to stop people warping, it was to lag them out. TCF et al place their bubbles so you have to burn a long way to get out of them (i.e. using them for their intended purpose) What you did with the bubbles and what others do bear no resemblance towards each other so the comparison is baseless.
Since when do we need a space ruler to place bubbles ?
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: LadyScarlet pretty stupid to have a feature in game which is a legit component be deemed as a exploit
Yea, lets nuke shuttles too, cause its stupid to have a legit component of the game be deemed an exploit, like shuttle bombs, since people can load up shuttle bombs in carriers, we should obviously remove them.
Also, lol at the idiot talking about the local exploit. Jesus you are dumb.
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Mo adib
Amarr The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:19:00 -
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oh look, a bawww thread
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: LadyScarlet pretty stupid to have a feature in game which is a legit component be deemed as a exploit
Yea, lets nuke shuttles too, cause its stupid to have a legit component of the game be deemed an exploit, like shuttle bombs, since people can load up shuttle bombs in carriers, we should obviously remove them.
Also, lol at the idiot talking about the local exploit. Jesus you are dumb.
Good idea lets nuke shuttles while we are at it dian is rich enough
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Rex Mundus
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Koronos
Originally by: Rex Mundus GMs waited until we had left before removing them, they didn't have the intended effect anyway as we loaded the system pretty much fine - thanks to them being bunched together we didn't have to drive that far to get out of them.
And yet you felt the need to petition them.
It was worth it for this thread alone.
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Criegor
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: LadyScarlet Since when do we need a space ruler to place bubbles ?
Look at the picture you fat ****.
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Tayler Derden
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:29:00 -
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i thought 0.0 space gives you enough money to afford bubles stop crying
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5n4keyes
Caldari Sacred Templars Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:34:00 -
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The problem with bubbles, is that they are very very easy to kill, with a large gang, 100 BS can and will pretty much instapop a bubble. If you only have limited bubbles, say, 10 around a gate, you only need to pop 2 or 3 bubbles, and you can warp out.
Thus, placing large amounts of bubbles, is the counter, which then people get accused of creating lag. Which tbh, alot of the time isnt true, its simply the only real way to counter large gangs entering your system.
If large amounts of bubbles do cause lag, then bubbles should be changed, made larger in radius, and HP buffed, and hard limits on number of bubbles placed on a grid to be brought in, (should be easily done). This would mean that insted of 50 bubbles, you could have 10, all would cover the same area, all would have the same effective HP, and doesnt cause as much lag.
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Rex Mundus
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:36:00 -
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or you could develop a tactic that allows you to defend against a smaller force that doesn't involve trying to blackscreen them when they jump in.
food for thought.
In the meantime, it's much simpler to drive straight out of them as they way you guys plant them 60 bubbles, while unkillable, has an effective range not that much greater than a single bubble.
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Corbeau Lenoir
Caldari ZER0. IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 02:51:00 -
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The only people whining here are PL, who couldn't win, even with the help of loyal GM. If bubbles were removed, so what next? Remove enemy fleet? Move everybody to 40 vs 40 instance for fair fight? What GM was smoking, when he made such decision?
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Tiger's Spirit
Caldari 24th Imperial Guard
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Posted - 2010.05.31 03:18:00 -
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Band of Exploiters
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Criegor
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.31 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Corbeau Lenoir The only people whining here are PL
Oh I see what you did there
Originally by: AlexK100 Edited by: AlexK100 on 30/05/2010 19:47:09 Bubbles prevented NC and PL from warp after the gate jump so they created unfair advantage for the defenders so as the cynojammer. Next time GM should offline cynojammer as well, so as the POS as it is creating forcefield around CSAA.
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Pl got stomped Pl went running to the GM The GM made a bad call
Originally by: DRACO selen bubbles are supposed to pin people at a gate/station/whereever; if that bubble dies within a bunch of seconds the only sollution is anchoring more bubbles. get t3 bubbles into the game, which have a range of 100km and the hp of a pos, then we will use those.
Originally by: Hyveres Ofcourse this only applies to people not on PLs bluelist.
Originally by: LadyScarlet take bubbles out of game completely
pretty stupid to have a feature in game which is a legit component be deemed as a exploit whee people can bubble fk pos's to kill caps 50 on each gate to control a system but that same group can travel 50 jumps petition for lag and get them removed
Originally by: LadyScarlet Since when do we need a space ruler to place bubbles ?
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.31 03:29:00 -
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What I came away with from reading this thread:
1) CCP need to tell everyone how many bubbles are too many so the game does not lag...
2) CCP need to tell everyone how far apart each bubble needs to be to not be considered abuse....
3) CCP need to tell everyone where the line is that they can't won't cross to interfear with fleet fights...
4) CCP need to seed the KFIE market with Maxi-Pads for the "new leet" Playtex Legion....
That is all.....carry on...
Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
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Tiger's Spirit
Caldari 24th Imperial Guard
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Posted - 2010.05.31 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 31/05/2010 03:51:01
Originally by: Snot Shot What I came away with from reading this thread:
1) CCP need to tell everyone how many bubbles are too many so the game does not lag...
2) CCP need to tell everyone how far apart each bubble needs to be to not be considered abuse....
3) CCP need to tell everyone where the line is that they can't won't cross to interfear with fleet fights...
4) CCP need to seed the KFIE market with Maxi-Pads for the "new leet" Playtex Legion....
That is all.....carry on...
Realy ? Please tell me what a different between 100+ cargo container and 100+ large bubble ? IT would cheat again, they want made lag, black screen and no grig load error with lot of objects. They want exploiting and they wanna cry because they breaking the game rules ? Lawl.
Band of cheaters
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