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AlastorTheLost	Posted - 2010.06.02 15:01:00 - [1] Hello , I quess all ppl that where running high sec lvl 5's are quite disapointed with ccp's desition to fix that bug ^^ ..... Whats the point doing this ? Well there might be a lot of resons ccp want that so bad imo Mission runners will be broke so ccp will get money again from paying subscription and not been able to get the isks needed to obtain a nice plex. I am feeling that IMF is behind all this and now it has eve in its grasp ....A lot of ppl are starting to loose there interst in the game because its not possible for someone that was running lvl 5's to get back to lvl 4's or mining.....there is no challenge anymore . Running lvl 5's in low sec .....suicidal tendencies if i might say ....sad I already know that a lot of ppl will try to tell me that i should not *ing around about it but i will kindly ask them not to post there comments in this topic . This Topic is posted only for ppl that want to convice ccp to change lvl 5's and make them as they where beffore Thanks for your time reading my post Reguards Alastor P.S. Yes pirate i know you are smiling
Woodlin Deamon Caldari Deamon Logistics	Posted - 2010.06.02 15:06:00 - [2] Yes I'll admit it. Since going back to lvl 4 missions I've kind of given up. Think I'm just going to use the isk I have and be done with it. lol EVE becoming a job again spending so much time trying to play for plex's it's just not fun any more.
Gunnanmon Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.06.02 15:29:00 - [3] ib Tippia, Malcanis and Verity Verruca Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Amanda Eidolo Adamantine Resolve	Posted - 2010.06.02 15:33:00 - [4] I've never run a L5 mission before and I still manage to earn enough ISK to do what I want to. Have done since late 2005. Adapt. Also, can I have your stuff? -------- ¦
Jaravan	Posted - 2010.06.02 15:34:00 - [5] Running lvl 5's in low sec is no doubt suicidal tendencies. there is enuff going on with the mission alone that you dont have time for some moron wanting to pvp. If I wanted to PVP would I be running a mission? Again as I have said before, Pvp is fine for who ever wants to do it. Great. Pve is fine for who ever wants to do that. But ffs please quit trying to turn me into a target when all I want to do is PVE. You need your pvp fix. fantastic, .0 awaits you. All you need do is load up your pirate gang and off you go. Free and easy pvp.
AlastorTheLost	Posted - 2010.06.02 15:55:00 - [6] Originally by: Amanda Eidolo I've never run a L5 mission before and I still manage to earn enough ISK to do what I want to. Have done since late 2005. Adapt. Also, can I have your stuff? Thanks for your post i will consider your offer when i quit or i might be trying to scam you .....give me your isks and i will make them double :P :P :P :P lol me Please be kind and respect the reason that topic is opened Reguards Alastor
Goose99	Posted - 2010.06.02 15:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Jaravan Running lvl 5's in low sec is no doubt suicidal tendencies. there is enuff going on with the mission alone that you dont have time for some moron wanting to pvp. If I wanted to PVP would I be running a mission? Again as I have said before, Pvp is fine for who ever wants to do it. Great. Pve is fine for who ever wants to do that. But ffs please quit trying to turn me into a target when all I want to do is PVE. You need your pvp fix. fantastic, .0 awaits you. All you need do is load up your pirate gang and off you go. Free and easy pvp. Griefers don't want pvp, silly. They want your tears to satisfy their depravity that cannot be fullfilled irl.
Amanda Eidolo Adamantine Resolve	Posted - 2010.06.02 15:57:00 - [8] Originally by: AlastorTheLost Please be kind and respect the reason that topic is opened OK. Because you asked nicely. -------- ¦
FlameGlow Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.02 16:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Jaravan If I wanted to PVP would I be running a mission? Again as I have said before, Pvp is fine for who ever wants to do it. Great. Pve is fine for who ever wants to do that. But ffs please quit trying to turn me into a target when all I want to do is PVE. Wrong game, WoW is that way -> In eve you already are a target all the time you're logged on and not docked Originally by: CCP Manifest Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
AlastorTheLost	Posted - 2010.06.02 16:34:00 - [10] PPL please be kind and dont talk about what you think in this topic i was clear why this one is opened This should be a protest topic and ppl should say if they agree .There are plenty of topics to argue and cross your swords ....i mean laser beams :P Thanks again Reguards Alastor

Astald Ohtar Tous Pour Un Une Pour Tous	Posted - 2010.06.02 16:37:00 - [11] you cant pay a plex with l4s ? challenge? l5 are boring too your just shooting stuff like in l4s nothing changed , its called farming and its boring i was planning to do l5s at some point ... yeah its interesting 2-4x income than normal l4s, but im doing fine with l4, can make over 300m a week with just running mission, here and there , can manage to that in day but oh well kinda busy IRL cant do that atm. so basically people are whining cause they dont get as much l5 as they'd been getting. just find something else , your not gonna be mission runner all your life =p
vonPhil	Posted - 2010.06.02 16:44:00 - [12] Agree L5 must come back to HiSec EVE is so bored now I'm not stupid enough to risk a faction ship in low sec I can not beleive that it was CCP who killed my addiction for EVE after so long time my wife thanks you
ElJo123 Accompanied By Unicorns	Posted - 2010.06.02 16:46:00 - [13] I feel for you. It's so mean from CCP; after all, miners make TONS of money and can use their skills for PVP, and don't even get me started on manufacturing... sheesh, those margins. Breathtaking, how many billions they rake in. It's always the mission runners that get shafted, isn't it? Now with Lvl5s gone from highsec, you can make -- at best! -- about 6 times that of a fully skilled hulk per hour. It's an outrage!!!11one and if they keep on nerfing missions a few dozen more times, it might be actually worthwile to start (gasp) exploration. Please CCP NOO it's effort! Also confirming that seeking a quiet system in lowsec is SUICIDAL, especially if you take smaller ships (everyone knows the only way to do missions is in a 20B nightmare, right) and maybe even a few friends. Outrage, I tell you! In closing, I think you are exactly right and so so sorry for you . P.S: As I'm completely appreciative of your situation, could you please contract me your stuff over before you quit? Thanks!
Gabber359 Caldari JAGD Empire	Posted - 2010.06.02 16:56:00 - [14] I'll throw my 0.02 into this, because I can be arsed atm (unlike other times). I myself had just gotten into lvl V's. No, not solo, but running two accounts (NH/Domi rr) and found them to be much more fun and challenging then the IV's I've been doing. Yes challenging. The incoming DPS is usually scary and takes good managing, especially vs mercs/drones. I was enjoying myself a lot. I also got a lvl V not in the mission reports, which was pretty neat (having to figure out what the triggers were, what ships would come etc). While I agree that rogue drones had to be nerfed (I'm a miner at heart and been saying this for the past 2 yrs), there was in my eyes no need to change the agent-mission mechanic. That's just a kick in the balls. Missioners aren't suddenly going to go into low sec OR 0.0. They'll either quit or, contrary to the less-load CCP wants, they'll congregate in super high sec mission hubs. While you can argue the fact of the spawning in high sec all you want, this has been part of the game for a long time now and if you want to use reason? Low sec agents shouldn't give high sec missions Ok, well, why on earth do High Sec agents give you ones in Low Sec then, hmm? Especially now that happens more often post-expansion, even crossing constellation borders. Makes no sense, it's just **** poor game design. As for lag, hell, I only had lag on rare occasions while missioning. Kudos to CCP for worrying about high sec system lag, because we all know 0.0 Fleet Warfare is fine, right? On my final and maybe most important note: Not everyone has a single char. A lot of 0.0/pvpers have multiple chars. One or two to carebear with and one to yarr with. Including (super)cap pilots, which is exactly what I was doing (funding pvp/cap ships). Going back to Lvl IV's and even blitzing them, meh, been there done that. If I wanted to torture myself I'd go back to a certain game that I shall not mention :P /sadface The only thing I fear, is running out of beer!
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2010.06.02 17:20:00 - [15] nomnomnom lowsec mishun runnerz come to mommy and bring yer lewtz! thank you ccp for bringing me all these non pvp fitted mission runners to effortlessly gank and loot. can we fix self destruct so that it doesn't deny all the loot, coz you know, they almost always self destruct since they know they are dead... thanks!
Libin Herobi	Posted - 2010.06.02 17:35:00 - [16] Originally by: AlastorTheLost Mission runners will be broke so ccp will get money again from paying subscription and not been able to get the isks needed to obtain a nice plex. And another one who does not understand how PLEX works... sigh
BlondieBC Minmatar Galactic Exploration and Missions	Posted - 2010.06.02 17:38:00 - [17] I have runs 20 to 40 level 5's in carrier. As long as you allaince has a strong presence in the area, the risk are manageable. IMO, the risk are not worth the rewards, BUT, the mission are far from suicidal.
AlastorTheLost	Posted - 2010.06.02 17:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Gabber359 Including (super)cap pilots, which is exactly what I was doing (funding pvp/cap ships). Going back to Lvl IV's and even blitzing them, meh, been there done that. If I wanted to torture myself I'd go back to a certain game that I shall not mention :P I totaly agree with you a lot of ppl including me have carriers or super carriers in other pvp accounts that will not be livable in game without the fuel lvl 5's provide . And to make clear something to ppl that where not in this buisiness you can make the isks for a plex while missioning like crazy for a weak or two but the second one that your alt needs ????Star begging ppl to contract you stuff .... loosing a carrier cost from 1 billion to many billions depend on the fit ......if ppl cant make that kind of money nul sec and low sec will also start falling apaert .....so whats the point training a year for a carrier and even more if you cant afford to use one ?ccp might think that cap pilots should quite ?of all eve comunity will start making merc corps so they steal stuff from others .....in other words cap and titan players are kinda doomed ....... Nice thing if ccp want to turn the game into something else BUT PLEASE LET AS KNOW SO WE CAN QUIT .....your servers will run smoother then ....its a solution ...... thanks again for all the feedback mates Reguards Alastor
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.02 18:21:00 - [19] <sarcasm alert> Ah another thread opened about a topic that could not be addressed in yet another thread. </sarcasm> Level 5 missions in highsec were repeatedly mentioned by CCP to be regarded as a bug that was to be addressed in the future. (check the dev comments) Level 4s is still ultra easy isk for PLEX, caps, etc. Too easy compared to alternate means of generating income solely in highsec. Just different tactics are needed.. And contrary to every highsec dwellers opinion, lowsec is not the instadeath purgatory that they make it out to be. I personally know two people who farm level 5 in lowsec with carriers and to date they have never lost a ship to another player/gang. With the right tactics and ship setups its still very easy do level 5s and never lose a ship. Adapt or perish. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.02 18:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Gabber359 I'll throw my 0.02 into this, because I can be arsed atm (unlike other times). I myself had just gotten into lvl V's. No, not solo, but running two accounts (NH/Domi rr) and found them to be much more fun and challenging then the IV's I've been doing. Yes challenging. The incoming DPS is usually scary and takes good managing, especially vs mercs/drones. I was enjoying myself a lot. I also got a lvl V not in the mission reports, which was pretty neat (having to figure out what the triggers were, what ships would come etc). /sadface If you find lvl 4s boring now, there is a GREAT solution that provides even more isk AND excitement than lvl 5s. Its also doable in relative security (altho not complete). Wormholes. Get out there, do em. Makes lvl 5 seem super dull and the isk rewards are better than lvl 5s to boot.

AlastorTheLost	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:03:00 - [21] Edited by: AlastorTheLost on 02/06/2010 19:02:58 Originally by: FunzzeR <sarcasm alert> Ah another thread opened about a topic that could not be addressed in yet another thread. </sarcasm> Level 5 missions in highsec were repeatedly mentioned by CCP to be regarded as a bug that was to be addressed in the future. (check the dev comments) Level 4s is still ultra easy isk for PLEX, caps, etc. Too easy compared to alternate means of generating income solely in highsec. Just different tactics are needed.. And contrary to every highsec dwellers opinion, lowsec is not the instadeath purgatory that they make it out to be. I personally know two people who farm level 5 in lowsec with carriers and to date they have never lost a ship to another player/gang. With the right tactics and ship setups its still very easy do level 5s and never lose a ship. Adapt or perish. LOL THIS IS A GAME AND NOT THE FREAKING ARMY SO WE WILL NOT ADAPT THEY WILL ADAPT THE GAME CAS ITS A GAME TO WHAT PPL WANT its quite easy just think outside the box .....
ColdChimera Gallente Pathfinder Technologies	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:05:00 - [22] Originally by: ElJo123 I feel for you. It's so mean from CCP; after all, miners make TONS of money and can use their skills for PVP, and don't even get me started on manufacturing... sheesh, those margins. Breathtaking, how many billions they rake in. It's always the mission runners that get shafted, isn't it? Now with Lvl5s gone from highsec, you can make -- at best! -- about 6 times that of a fully skilled hulk per hour. It's an outrage!!!11one Uhh, since when can you use Industry skills in PVP? Since when was Gallente Industrial 5 and Exhumers 5 helpful in PVP? And I hate to burst your bubble but, missions will always make more money per hour in highsec than miners in highsec. (Excluding deep null sec ore and worm holes.) My corp mate regularly runs 4 accounts (3 hulks, 1 orca) with max boosting skills and I make the same if not more than him per hour with my Paladin (in Gallente space mind you, my damage type is horrible vs serps and angels). So, in conclusion, you're doing it wrong. To everyone else who whines about lvl 5's, adapt or may I haz your stuff? -------------- Originally by: Ahz The internet: Where the men are men. The women are men. And the children are FBI. lulz
Goose99	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:07:00 - [23] Carriers slice through lvl5s like hot knife through butter. It's clearly an exploit. All lvl5 should have gates that keep caps out, not just some. This needs a fix, badly.
AlastorTheLost	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Originally by: Gabber359 I'll throw my 0.02 into this, because I can be arsed atm (unlike other times). I myself had just gotten into lvl V's. No, not solo, but running two accounts (NH/Domi rr) and found them to be much more fun and challenging then the IV's I've been doing. Yes challenging. The incoming DPS is usually scary and takes good managing, especially vs mercs/drones. I was enjoying myself a lot. I also got a lvl V not in the mission reports, which was pretty neat (having to figure out what the triggers were, what ships would come etc). /sadface If you find lvl 4s boring now, there is a GREAT solution that provides even more isk AND excitement than lvl 5s. Its also doable in relative security (altho not complete). Wormholes. Get out there, do em. Makes lvl 5 seem super dull and the isk rewards are better than lvl 5s to boot. Dude wh are not even clost to lvl 5's running wh's that i have done solo a hell lot of times = sometimes you get nice salvage and all but as well some times you will die a terrible death ....And why live in a wh space while you can be free ????
AlastorTheLost	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:17:00 - [25] Originally by: ColdChimera Originally by: ElJo123 I feel for you. It's so mean from CCP; after all, miners make TONS of money and can use their skills for PVP, and don't even get me started on manufacturing... sheesh, those margins. Breathtaking, how many billions they rake in. It's always the mission runners that get shafted, isn't it? Now with Lvl5s gone from highsec, you can make -- at best! -- about 6 times that of a fully skilled hulk per hour. It's an outrage!!!11one Uhh, since when can you use Industry skills in PVP? Since when was Gallente Industrial 5 and Exhumers 5 helpful in PVP? And I hate to burst your bubble but, missions will always make more money per hour in highsec than miners in highsec. (Excluding deep null sec ore and worm holes.) My corp mate regularly runs 4 accounts (3 hulks, 1 orca) with max boosting skills and I make the same if not more than him per hour with my Paladin (in Gallente space mind you, my damage type is horrible vs serps and angels). So, in conclusion, you're doing it wrong. To everyone else who whines about lvl 5's, adapt or may I haz your stuff? Heheheheheh to a Gallente toon ...NEVER...Also read the above comment i done for ppl that want's me to contract them my stuff :P Also give me one reasone that i should give them to you and not to someone i realy know
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:29:00 - [26] Originally by: AlastorTheLost Edited by: AlastorTheLost on 02/06/2010 19:12:34 Edited by: AlastorTheLost on 02/06/2010 19:02:58 Originally by: FunzzeR <sarcasm alert> Ah another thread opened about a topic that could not be addressed in yet another thread. </sarcasm> Level 5 missions in highsec were repeatedly mentioned by CCP to be regarded as a bug that was to be addressed in the future. (check the dev comments) Level 4s is still ultra easy isk for PLEX, caps, etc. Too easy compared to alternate means of generating income solely in highsec. Just different tactics are needed.. And contrary to every highsec dwellers opinion, lowsec is not the instadeath purgatory that they make it out to be. I personally know two people who farm level 5 in lowsec with carriers and to date they have never lost a ship to another player/gang. With the right tactics and ship setups its still very easy do level 5s and never lose a ship. Adapt or perish. LOL THIS IS A GAME AND NOT THE FREAKING ARMY SO WE WILL NOT ADAPT THEY WILL ADAPT THE GAME TO WHAT PPL WANT its quite easy just think outside the box ..... Whoa lots of hostility there, u mad? Here I am trying to have a civil discussion and offering relatively constructive alternatives beyond wailing helplessly against a change that CCP will never reverse (For the greater good et al.) Hence I say again adapt or perish. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
AlastorTheLost	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:48:00 - [27] Originally by: FunzzeR Originally by: AlastorTheLost Edited by: AlastorTheLost on 02/06/2010 19:12:34 Edited by: AlastorTheLost on 02/06/2010 19:02:58 Originally by: FunzzeR <sarcasm alert> Ah another thread opened about a topic that could not be addressed in yet another thread. </sarcasm> Level 5 missions in highsec were repeatedly mentioned by CCP to be regarded as a bug that was to be addressed in the future. (check the dev comments) Level 4s is still ultra easy isk for PLEX, caps, etc. Too easy compared to alternate means of generating income solely in highsec. Just different tactics are needed.. And contrary to every highsec dwellers opinion, lowsec is not the instadeath purgatory that they make it out to be. I personally know two people who farm level 5 in lowsec with carriers and to date they have never lost a ship to another player/gang. With the right tactics and ship setups its still very easy do level 5s and never lose a ship. Adapt or perish. LOL THIS IS A GAME AND NOT THE FREAKING ARMY SO WE WILL NOT ADAPT THEY WILL ADAPT THE GAME TO WHAT PPL WANT its quite easy just think outside the box ..... Whoa lots of hostility there, u mad? Here I am trying to have a civil discussion and offering relatively constructive alternatives beyond wailing helplessly against a change that CCP will never reverse (For the greater good et al.) Hence I say again adapt or perish. Lolz i am not hostile or crazy the rime Adapt or perish is not something that the players should do in a virtual world .....as i already told before i was just saying that if ppl want this to change something we will have a shot to do it and not be passive about it ......if you dont like something protest its the only civil way as you already mentioned ..... sorry if you took my CAPSLOCK words as a hostile responce but the sarcasm can as well be in capital letters think about it no hostility there xD
Ildryn The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:05:00 - [28] Your skilled level 5 mission runner can also run sanctums and havens. Make some friends join an alliance and get out there and run them. They escalate to 10/10 that drop between 200m and 2.5billion loot. They also randomly spawn a faction battleship worth between 8mill-150mill. This isn't me telling you CCP is right. This is me giving you an alternative. However this has been talked about and the vid from a Dev is here.
AlastorTheLost	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:33:00 - [29] Edited by: AlastorTheLost on 02/06/2010 20:33:49 Originally by: Ildryn Your skilled level 5 mission runner can also run sanctums and havens. Make some friends join an alliance and get out there and run them. They escalate to 10/10 that drop between 200m and 2.5billion loot. They also randomly spawn a faction battleship worth between 8mill-150mill. This isn't me telling you CCP is right. This is me giving you an alternative. However this has been talked about and the vid from a Dev is here. You think you are a hacker Iidryn but you just sent it to the wrong persone ........PPL DONT OPEN THAT LINK THE DUDE IS REPORTED
Goose99	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:37:00 - [30] Originally by: AlastorTheLost Edited by: AlastorTheLost on 02/06/2010 20:33:49 Originally by: Ildryn Your skilled level 5 mission runner can also run sanctums and havens. Make some friends join an alliance and get out there and run them. They escalate to 10/10 that drop between 200m and 2.5billion loot. They also randomly spawn a faction battleship worth between 8mill-150mill. This isn't me telling you CCP is right. This is me giving you an alternative. However this has been talked about and the vid from a Dev is here. You think you are a hacker Iidryn but you just sent it to the wrong persone ........PPL DONT OPEN THAT LINK THE DUDE IS REPORTED Don't count on it, this isn't the first time he posted links to virus/pheishing/attack sites. He's been spamming it. If CCP haven't banned him from forum yet, nothing will be done.



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