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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.06.13 06:39:00 -
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honestly not many people did L5's before. they should release a report on how many missions get done in a set amount of time and what level level 5's couldnt have been much, but now will probally drop dramaticly.
L5's seem impossible in lowsec, unless you have 20+ ships to protect you from 1 pvper
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gurkabuddie
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Posted - 2010.06.13 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: gurkabuddie on 13/06/2010 09:28:32
I have recently lost over 1 bil ISK in a wardec, I came back to mission running after "tyrannis" was implemented, now as has been stated by other players, the changes have reduced the amount you can earn in mission running and makes it so so boring in trying to earn ISK. I can only agree with other players that the changes are to prevent players earning the ISK quick enough to buy plex and they have to resort to paying subscription again. I have invested a lot of time in game and it has been exciting up until now, but the buzz is no longer there and I am seriously thinking in packing it in, and by the way I have never used ISK to buy plex, all you developers please take note as you are going to chase away your bread and butter cash paying players
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Trigos Trilobi
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.13 09:43:00 -
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Kinda amusing to see how many people have difficulties grasping that CCP gets just as much income wether you pay your account with a credit card or a plex.
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AlastorTheLost
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Posted - 2010.06.13 10:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Trigos Trilobi
Kinda amusing to see how many people have difficulties grasping that CCP gets just as much income wether you pay your account with a credit card or a plex.
I agree with you totaly....i think ccp has a better plan.......
You cant make isks fast = you will pay up your subscription ccp is getting real money for them (plex or credit as said) but if you dont have isks and cant make them fast because you are not set up in low or nul-sec in order to run anomamalies ,plexes , pvp etc,,,,,, you are kindly pushed to buy up extra eve time from there site for extra real money and then use this time to make some plexes .....that will also make ccp earn more money than it did.....
if you can get my poind ....i am not saying that i will do that but there is a lot of ppl out there that will .....this makes the game not amaizing as it's already been told by others as well.
WE ARE STILL UNHAPPY
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.13 13:05:00 -
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It was your turn for the nerf bat; everyone takes a hit sooner or later.
Build a bridge and get over it.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Ace2001
Caldari
S E A R
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Posted - 2010.06.13 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ace2001 on 13/06/2010 14:49:07
Originally by: gurkabuddie
Edited by: gurkabuddie on 13/06/2010 09:28:32
I can only agree with other players that the changes are to prevent players earning the ISK quick enough to buy plex and they have to resort to paying subscription again.
Wait, wait wait...
What?
Good Sir, I play even for a few hours once every few days, and yet in the past 30 days have managed to get 450M worth of isk from doing level 4 missions. If I had less of a life and there-fore could play EVE for longer periods of time, I'd have no problem earning two months worth of PLEX cards in 30 days.
While this takes longer than the ISK-printing machine known as Level 5's (I would assume as I've never done a level 5 before.) it's still perfectly possible.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.06.13 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ace2001
Edited by: Ace2001 on 13/06/2010 14:49:07
Originally by: gurkabuddie
Edited by: gurkabuddie on 13/06/2010 09:28:32
I can only agree with other players that the changes are to prevent players earning the ISK quick enough to buy plex and they have to resort to paying subscription again.
Wait, wait wait...
What?
Good Sir, I play even for a few hours once every few days, and yet in the past 30 days have managed to get 450M worth of isk from doing level 4 missions. If I had less of a life and there-fore could play EVE for longer periods of time, I'd have no problem earning two months worth of PLEX cards in 30 days.
While this takes longer than the ISK-printing machine known as Level 5's (I would assume as I've never done a level 5 before.) it's still perfectly possible.
With a comprehensive amount of effort (about 2 hours a day + some more in the week ends) I made 2.2B a month. After the nerf I make 2B a month.
Clearly a case to go and hang ourselves in true desperation!
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2010.06.13 15:46:00 -
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I'm done with this topic. I am ready to begin my assault of lowsec level 5's in a few days.
I just hope that CCP will add some more L5 agents in lowsec and distribute the availability a bit more.
I they are going to make L5's OSTENSIBLY now a part of lowsec-only content, then for God's sake do it right and give us some variety, geographic dispersal, and agents for *ALL* NPC corps.
Can anyone see a valid reason not to do this?
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Capita List
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Posted - 2010.06.13 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah
Can anyone see a valid reason not to do this?
Pirates would cry because they would have more gates to camp.
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Ildryn
The Inf1dels
En Garde
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Posted - 2010.06.13 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ildryn on 13/06/2010 19:02:53
Originally by: AlastorTheLost
I agree totaly with you we should fight for what we want cas the game is not ccp's the game belongs to players that pay for it .
Pirates always want ppl to kill so dont make ppl quite cas pirates will be after you ccp in no time.
Dont break a chain that works becaue all players will start protesting and not actualy playing or paying.
Alastor you should understand this next sentence.
The gme dose blong 2 cseepee cas dey mde its. Pirtes r bad peeple cas i r not won.
(Translation)
The game does belong to CCP because they made it.
Level 5 missions were always intended for low sec. Soon enough they will be only in low sec and the current bug being used to move them will be fixed. There was not a nerf of level 5 missions. Only a fix that has been coming for years.
Edit: And yes they should get more level 5 agents for more corporations.
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ISEEUYOU
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Posted - 2010.06.13 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah
I'm done with this topic. I am ready to begin my assault of lowsec level 5's in a few days.
I just hope that CCP will add some more L5 agents in lowsec and distribute the availability a bit more.
I they are going to make L5's OSTENSIBLY now a part of lowsec-only content, then for God's sake do it right and give us some variety, geographic dispersal, and agents for *ALL* NPC corps.
Can anyone see a valid reason not to do this?
More lvl 5 agents to spread the pirates out I can support. As there are few lvl 5 agents available now, the surrounding systems are often surveyd by pirates looking to gank people. And it wouldn't take more then a handful of pirates to cover ALL current lvl 5 agents. About giving lvl 5 agents to other corps then the faction navies, I'm not sure it's such a good idea. Many other corps beside the navies have crappier and fewer lvl 4 agents, but often there can be something nice in the LP store(for smart people) to outweigh that fact. Drowning their LP stores with LP from lvl 5 missions would take that away for the highsec crowd.
And just to chip in another argument:
Those who whine because they lost their isk-print... if CCP hadn't done this, it would soon have been destroyed as a source of good income.
Why?
Becuase they major income from lvl 5 missions are LP. And you can only do missions for 4 corps. Meaning there is a very limited market for what to spend this LP on. And this move of player starting to run lvl 5:s in highsec seemed to have started on a large scale at the beginning of this year. LP value has crashed further then usual on the 'easy stuff' like implants. Imagine when most of the lvl 4 horde had trained up their chars to run lvl 5:s solo.....
Just a big disaster. Not for you highsec bears(who would just go back to lvl 4.s), but for one of VERY FEW reasons to be in lowsec.....
As for the 'teamwork/challenge' argument... I call BS on that. Lvl 5:s are not hard, challenging or require teamwork when you run them in highsec. I know cause I have done some of mine in highsec, solo, and semi-afk. In lowsec the teamwork/challenge has merit, cause you want to run them fast, or have defence against pirates(still possible to run with 2 accounts).
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2010.06.13 21:04:00 -
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Confirming that Level 5's were easy. So easy I used to afk them at work, checking my screen every 5 minutes or so.
Confirming that lowsec level 5's will be just as easy, just not afk.
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.06.14 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
It was your turn for the nerf bat; everyone takes a hit sooner or later.
Build a bridge and get over it.
This,
Adapt or perish
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Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.14 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: makrish1
Originally by: Rip Minner
you dont have to hope it sends you to high sec you can force it to send you. Adapt and cloak and put one little figer on all your alts hands up at the pirats
Yes, and pay double to play a game you originally only needed to pay for one account. *claps* Well done sir. Also, congratulations on Neo-like vision and the ability to see the code of EVE, when CCP haven't said anything about how to fix it.
Well this post is asuming that level 5 mission runners are not using two accounts one to tank in and one to rep themselfs in so I dont see why they should open more accounts then what they already have for running level 5's solo. And the speed in witch CCP fixs things were missions are consered is nothing but slow man slow in the fact we mesure it not in patchs but in years.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
NotThisBiatch
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.14 05:30:00 -
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The real bottom line, Faction Battleships just became a hell off lot cheaper (Who wants to risk 2-4 Bil in low sec other than in carriers?) I can see the bottom of the bucket falling out here in regards to the prices because
a) L4's can be done in T1 ships (nice to have faction BS but why risk the expense?)
b) L5's will be a carrier domain because of the fear of pirates**, multiple carriers in missions (3 or 4, maybe some corpies to clean up the mess) meaning the pirates who want to get them selves kills will have to come in with bigger and better equipped gangs (carrier price may rise, but not by much, they are still cheaper than a Rattlesnake)
c) Mission runner / industrial corps make deals with FW corps and use their space for missioning in return for "protection" from nasty neg sec status bloodthirsty killers / pirates**
**Actually, the type of person who was maltreated as a child, seeks pleasure in ripping the wings of butterflies, kicking cats and throwing fire crakers at dogs and goes about seeking their revenge on the rest of humanity, forsaking theirs at the same time while calling their actions "Piracy". <DUDE!!...Piracy means making a profit!! Isn't it better to get the cash from the ransom then popping something and hoping for some decent salvage?? You start shooting me without even the option of asking me and of course I am going to hit the SD button so you won't get anything, call it spite on my part but laughing at you in local as I'm podding my way out of harms way is just as good, sides the insurrance will cover my loss, nothing covers your wasted time. And if you do ransom, make sure you honour it. Gee's Louise, even the Somalis worked that one out!!> <VTIC>
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Kenny Dalglish
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Posted - 2010.06.14 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Noran Ferah
Can anyone see a valid reason not to do this?
That'd take effort. And several patches to get it right.
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Stovo kor
Firebird Squadron
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Posted - 2010.06.14 11:25:00 -
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Maybe it will be a blessing in disguise for some of you that can adapt and take on tougher/ more engaging content in wormholes
I mean CCP stance is already quite clear on the whole L5 thing
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ISEEUYOU
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Posted - 2010.06.14 11:26:00 -
[168]
 Originally by: NotThisBiatch
The real bottom line, Faction Battleships just became a hell off lot cheaper (Who wants to risk 2-4 Bil in low sec other than in carriers?) I can see the bottom of the bucket falling out here in regards to the prices because
a) L4's can be done in T1 ships (nice to have faction BS but why risk the expense?)
b) L5's will be a carrier domain because of the fear of pirates**, multiple carriers in missions (3 or 4, maybe some corpies to clean up the mess) meaning the pirates who want to get them selves kills will have to come in with bigger and better equipped gangs (carrier price may rise, but not by much, they are still cheaper than a Rattlesnake)
c) Mission runner / industrial corps make deals with FW corps and use their space for missioning in return for "protection" from nasty neg sec status bloodthirsty killers / pirates**
What a load of horse-manure.
Faction battleships dropping in prices becuase they can't be used for lvl 5:s.... too bad they are crap for lvl 5 missions (misaggro kills them), and the reduced ammount of LP has an increased effect on their price.
a) Yes, why would one risk a faction BS in a lvl 4 mission? Much safer to take them to a lvl 5 mission
b) Oh yes, a group of carriers would really scare the pirates away
Say hi to the motherships from me.
c) Most people are VERY unwilling to pay for protection outside of player-sov space. And most leet-pvpers are not interested in babysitting carebears, running the missions themselves and killing the carebears is just more fun AND profitable 
If by protection you mean 'not attack them', well, there are plenty of pirates and paying them all off will set your wallet in red.
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Garamond
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Posted - 2010.06.14 18:13:00 -
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The main problem with putting Lvl 5 missions in lowsec is that mission runnign is a PvE activity. The second you enter lowsec or nullwsec you instantly are engaging in PvP regardless of what else you might be doing.
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ISEEUYOU
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Posted - 2010.06.14 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Garamond
The main problem with putting Lvl 5 missions in lowsec is that mission runnign is a PvE activity. The second you enter lowsec or nullwsec you instantly are engaging in PvP regardless of what else you might be doing.
Correction: Lvl 5 missionrunning is not just PvE activity. And that is not a problem.
No challenge = lower payout. That is the reason for it paying out nice LP.
And for those who cannot understand how to win over pirates in a pve-fit ship:
You win by not beeing caught, thus denying them of pew-pew and loot, and causing them to waste time probing for you. No, the pirates don't loose anything from this besides some of their time, but in eve as in RL time is isk(at least on Iceland).
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Zarko Dreadlor
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Posted - 2010.06.14 20:59:00 -
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get yourself some ECCM equipment, make your ship unprobable, as for soloing, yeah, soloing lvl 5's for the most part is done if you want exposure to pirates. If you just wanna run lvl 5's make yourself unprobable and go **** off some pirates.
Actually don't, I'm enjoying the better ISK / LP conversions ;-) I'm enjoy 80mil isk for a 10 minute mission.
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Garamond
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Posted - 2010.06.14 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: ISEEUYOU
Originally by: Garamond
The main problem with putting Lvl 5 missions in lowsec is that mission runnign is a PvE activity. The second you enter lowsec or nullwsec you instantly are engaging in PvP regardless of what else you might be doing.
Correction: Lvl 5 missionrunning is not just PvE activity. And that is not a problem.
No challenge = lower payout. That is the reason for it paying out nice LP.
And for those who cannot understand how to win over pirates in a pve-fit ship:
You win by not beeing caught, thus denying them of pew-pew and loot, and causing them to waste time probing for you. No, the pirates don't loose anything from this besides some of their time, but in eve as in RL time is isk(at least on Iceland).
No correction was needed. Missiosn are PvE content. If CCP is wantign missions to be PvP congtent they are doing it wrong. See APB for ideas on how to do PvP missions right. Hell I'd be in line to do PvP missions like that. It would beat the hell out PvP as it currently stands. Actual objective for each side and an incentive to stick around and fight.
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Garamond
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Posted - 2010.06.14 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: ISEEUYOU
Originally by: Garamond
The main problem with putting Lvl 5 missions in lowsec is that mission runnign is a PvE activity. The second you enter lowsec or nullwsec you instantly are engaging in PvP regardless of what else you might be doing.
Correction: Lvl 5 missionrunning is not just PvE activity. And that is not a problem.
No challenge = lower payout. That is the reason for it paying out nice LP.
And for those who cannot understand how to win over pirates in a pve-fit ship:
You win by not beeing caught, thus denying them of pew-pew and loot, and causing them to waste time probing for you. No, the pirates don't loose anything from this besides some of their time, but in eve as in RL time is isk(at least on Iceland).
No correction was needed. Missiosn are PvE content. If CCP is wantign missions to be PvP congtent they are doing it wrong. See APB for ideas on how to do PvP missions right. Hell I'd be in line to do PvP missions like that. It would beat the hell out PvP as it currently stands. Actual objective for each side and an incentive to stick around and fight. |
ISEEUYOU
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Posted - 2010.06.14 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Garamond
Originally by: ISEEUYOU
Originally by: Garamond
The main problem with putting Lvl 5 missions in lowsec is that mission runnign is a PvE activity. The second you enter lowsec or nullwsec you instantly are engaging in PvP regardless of what else you might be doing.
Correction: Lvl 5 missionrunning is not just PvE activity. And that is not a problem.
No challenge = lower payout. That is the reason for it paying out nice LP.
And for those who cannot understand how to win over pirates in a pve-fit ship:
You win by not beeing caught, thus denying them of pew-pew and loot, and causing them to waste time probing for you. No, the pirates don't loose anything from this besides some of their time, but in eve as in RL time is isk(at least on Iceland).
No correction was needed. Missiosn are PvE content. If CCP is wantign missions to be PvP congtent they are doing it wrong. See APB for ideas on how to do PvP missions right. Hell I'd be in line to do PvP missions like that. It would beat the hell out PvP as it currently stands. Actual objective for each side and an incentive to stick around and fight.
Oh yes, correction was needed. Missions in lowsec are not ONLY pve content. Why not?
Because tho other players (ebil piwates), are a part of the content. And they are there
to pvp.
Well in highsec, missions are surely pve only?
Wrong again nubcake. Suicidegankers and ninjasalvagers say otherwise, not to mention that missionrunners compete (pvp) between themselves for good isk/LP convertion. This is an MMO that happens to be focused around pvp (combat, market and otherwise).
I actually am a carebear, and yes I sometimes get ganked by the pirates. But the pirates keep the ****ty missionrunners back in empire so I don't have to compete with them as well. I don't see how this isn't working as intended, eve supposed to be harsh and stuff...
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Garamond
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Posted - 2010.06.14 22:27:00 -
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PvP that happens inside of a mission has nothing to do with the missions itself. The mission is PvE content. The people inside of it is there to engage in PvE content. Pirates or whoever that engages in PvP inside of a mission isn't there to engage in the mission they are there to interrupt another players mission in the hopes of an easy kill. |
Vissios Altacras
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.14 22:59:00 -
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Wow, this entire thread is just people complaining that they gimmick they abused to make money is no longer viable.
The whole point of level 5 missions was risk v. reward, meaning more risk=more reward. When faction warfare missions were launched and then nerfed they were a goldmine, specifically because you could solo them in a cloaking t3 that still did 300 DPS and tanked everything.
The whole point of this "nerf" seems to be that ccp is finally doing what everyone in 0.0 has wanted forever: making 0.0 more profitable individually than mission running. Even though dominion hit alliance income hard the new upgrades allow you to make more isk/hour doing anomalies over mission running.
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Quagnar
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Posted - 2010.06.14 23:02:00 -
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It has come to my attention from inside sources, that the reason for the nerf on lvl 5 missions was made as to stop the players from paying with isk to play rather than paying cash. When they gave us the option of paying to play with isk, profits fell, because it was easy to earn the isk needed by playing , say for 4 hours rather than 8 for instance. Its all about money folks, now what do you think of it all......
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Starbuck
Caldari
Goldadler Enterprises
The Seventh Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.14 23:10:00 -
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I dunno. For me I do level 4's with a fleet simply because its fun flying around with my Fleet mates. WE generally have builds that specialize and support each other. Isk/hr is probably not that great but we don't care that much.
I suppose I wouldn't care much in low sec either. We would have lots of ships supporting each other and I would just assign a couple guys with tackle builds to ruin the fools day. Hell if someone saw a fleet of 10 ships in a mission he might not even bother going in.
Even so I still find the choice to put these in low sec odd.
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Ace2001
Caldari
S E A R
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Posted - 2010.06.14 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Quagnar
It has come to my attention from inside sources, that the reason for the nerf on lvl 5 missions was made as to stop the players from paying with isk to play rather than paying cash. When they gave us the option of paying to play with isk, profits fell, because it was easy to earn the isk needed by playing , say for 4 hours rather than 8 for instance. Its all about money folks, now what do you think of it all......
I would say that's a load of something from cows that can be set on fire for the amusement of children.
I have always done level 4's for my ISK to buy PLEX's with. Always. Sure it takes longer than a level 5 does to get as much isk/LP, but it's still more than doable.
Also your friend's mother's sister's son's uncle doesn't count as an inside source.
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ISEEUYOU
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Posted - 2010.06.15 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Quagnar
It has come to my attention from inside sources, that the reason for the nerf on lvl 5 missions was made as to stop the players from paying with isk to play rather than paying cash. When they gave us the option of paying to play with isk, profits fell, because it was easy to earn the isk needed by playing , say for 4 hours rather than 8 for instance. Its all about money folks, now what do you think of it all......
It has come to my attention, that when buying PLEX with isk to pay for your account, CCP earns as much money as if you paid with your mastercard, because another player had to pay for the PLEX with real money in the first place.
Originally by: Garamond
I'm sure you will say "WEll stay in highsec if you don't feel like PvP" I would agree. Which raises the question. Why are these missions being put in lowsec?
So that you can't run them if you are not willing to risk a little pvp. DUH
Dare to be bold pilot, dare to be bold.
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