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Cpt Greywolf
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
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Posted - 2012.08.06 18:42:00 -
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I rat in a Thanny everage 28-30m bounty ticks so up to 90m an hr
My buddy rats in a mach and pulse 40m ticks so 120m an hr for him |
Razor Rocker
TAX FREE BABY
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Posted - 2012.08.06 19:01:00 -
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Cpt Greywolf wrote:I rat in a Thanny everage 28-30m bounty ticks so up to 90m an hr
My buddy rats in a mach and pulse 40m ticks so 120m an hr for him
mind asking your buddy to mail me his fit? or can you post it here?
Overall I'm just really finding it hard to believe a carrier can do more than 35-40m a tick, while I know of at least a few supcap setups that can do it.
Does anyone rat in a nyx? How much do you make a tick in one of them? |
Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2012.08.06 20:05:00 -
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Golly where do you fly that sweet Nightmare? |
Lady Aja
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Posted - 2012.08.07 03:46:00 -
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Loko Morice wrote:Vindicators can get 35m ticks in forsaken hubs, seems similar to your nightmare. I don't think you're going to see ticks much better than yours or that on a *single* ship, unless you assign fighters.
my mach gets upto 40m a tick in forsaken hubs. but averages 35m only tiem it peaks at 40m is when i get a decent domination spawn.
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!! |
BlackPyroStorm
Skyforger
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:08:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:if you run a ship scan for anamolies then run them. With out a probe launcher to refresh your scan, you would need to dock to clear your scan, otherwise you will see the same sigs you have already run over and over. IE fit a probe launcher in your last high. Unless im so newb and there is a trick to this i dont know yet.?
On the system scan results page just right click the anomoly that is completed and click ignore result.. problem solved. And usually new sites spawn after i think ~6min |
Razor Rocker
TAX FREE BABY
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:39:00 -
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Lady Aja wrote:Loko Morice wrote:Vindicators can get 35m ticks in forsaken hubs, seems similar to your nightmare. I don't think you're going to see ticks much better than yours or that on a *single* ship, unless you assign fighters. my mach gets upto 40m a tick in forsaken hubs. but averages 35m only tiem it peaks at 40m is when i get a decent domination spawn.
link your mach fit? |
Stetson Eagle
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2012.08.08 19:37:00 -
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Thanatos (or any carrier, adjust accordingly):
5-6 drone damage amps
3 omni tracklinks
4-5 drone control units
(1 drone link augmentor vs. angels)
3 drone control range augmentor
2 sensor booster / scanres
(1 capital armor repairer vs. serpentis or gurista)
Rough numbers, no ammo cost:
1300 dps bouncers at 100km optimal, warp in at 100, sanctums or forsaken hubs 120-140M / hour
1200 dps curators at 90km optimal, warp in at 70, sanctums or forsaken hubs 120-130M / hour
1500 dps gardes, 1000 dps wardens at 50 and 100km optimal, warp in at 0, sanctums or forsaken hubs, 130-140M / hour
Gate havens are roughly the equivalent of forsaken hubs. After 6 drone damage mods the added chance to save volleys drops drastically, so fitting signal amps or pvp escape mods might help. Negate align time by pre-aligning while killing the last rats. Be ready to jump to a static cyno / alt in case of tackle attempts. |
Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2012.08.08 20:33:00 -
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I was averaging about 110mil per hour in a chimera in Angel space using T2 Bouncers. Since the introduction of drone damage mods sentries work better than fighters. Warp in @ 50 and kill small stuff first. used to alternate between a sanctum and haven as we only used to get 1 santum at a time.
4 x DCU
1 x Drone link aug
2x omnidirectional
2x sebo
2xinvuln
capital rep
3x drone damage mods
cap power (yea I know I loose shield boost but it worked)
3x LCCC |
Thundren
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.10 17:32:00 -
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My experience:
Serpentis Forsaken hubs (no faction spawns)
Dominix: 30 million tick average
Technically a domi has nearly as good a dps as a vindicator, but the lack of tracking on your sentries means they frequently miss the orbiting T2 cruisers, slowing your ticks down and forcing you to deploy heavies. Because of this, it doesn't even quite match a hyperion.
Hyperion: 36 million average
Hyperion is the best cheap(ish) ratting ship. Repair bonus means tanking sites is easy, really high dps.
These numbers are without faction mag stabs.
Too many people think the range of blasters is a problem when running forsaken hubs. It isn't. You just have to use null on part of the first spawn.
If you use rails, you are just wrong.
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Goatlol
Black Aces
Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:43:00 -
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Hulasikaly Wada wrote:
Pushed 90 millions/hour ( 3 anomalies ) with this cheap Nightmare on actual drone space ON TEST SERVER doing the 10/10
Easiest way to tank drones and enought cap to never stop shooting at 40 km optimal with over 1000 dps with low-grade crystals and +3 implants, and yes can be much more pimped
[Nightmare, New Setup 1]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Auto Targeting System II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Energy Locus Coordinator II
Hobgoblin II x5
Fly safe
Hula
What +3 implants are you using?
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Razor Rocker
TAX FREE BABY
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:42:00 -
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He most likely had perception and willpower 3+ implants and the rest as crystal. I did the same with my nightmare fit, although I was using 5+ for perception and willpower. I know it looks odd when you see the list of implants, but the bonus from having a full set wasn't really needed.
Great to see this post is still alive and kicking. |
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.16 17:28:00 -
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Navy geddon out preforms nightmare |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
150
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Posted - 2012.08.16 18:09:00 -
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Lilan Kahn wrote:Navy geddon out preforms nightmare
It what game?
Because it sure ain't EVE lol. I've used both in Sansha, Blood Raider and Drone Null sec and the Nightmare has no equal except maybe the Paladin and Machariel. The navy Geddon is great, but it just doesn't get the bonuses the NM gets. The Nightmare's Tracking bonus alone means in scores nicer hits on sub-BS rats.
The only way the Navy Geddon beats a Nightmare is if you forget one of the nightmare's guns lol.
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Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
21
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Posted - 2012.08.16 20:01:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Lilan Kahn wrote:Navy geddon out preforms nightmare It what game? Because it sure ain't EVE lol. I've used both in Sansha, Blood Raider and Drone Null sec and the Nightmare has no equal except maybe the Paladin and Machariel. The navy Geddon is great, but it just doesn't get the bonuses the NM gets. The Nightmare's Tracking bonus alone means in scores nicer hits on sub-BS rats. The only way the Navy Geddon beats a Nightmare is if you forget one of the nightmare's guns lol.
navy geddon 1550 dps, sure nightmare has nice tracking but you dont need tracking in forsaken hubs |
Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2012.08.16 20:07:00 -
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Lilan Kahn wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Lilan Kahn wrote:Navy geddon out preforms nightmare It what game? Because it sure ain't EVE lol. I've used both in Sansha, Blood Raider and Drone Null sec and the Nightmare has no equal except maybe the Paladin and Machariel. The navy Geddon is great, but it just doesn't get the bonuses the NM gets. The Nightmare's Tracking bonus alone means in scores nicer hits on sub-BS rats. The only way the Navy Geddon beats a Nightmare is if you forget one of the nightmare's guns lol. navy geddon 1550 dps, sure nightmare has nice tracking but you dont need tracking in forsaken hubs
So have you actually tried it?? or is EFT warrior high dps numbers proof enough?
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Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.16 20:12:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Lilan Kahn wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Lilan Kahn wrote:Navy geddon out preforms nightmare It what game? Because it sure ain't EVE lol. I've used both in Sansha, Blood Raider and Drone Null sec and the Nightmare has no equal except maybe the Paladin and Machariel. The navy Geddon is great, but it just doesn't get the bonuses the NM gets. The Nightmare's Tracking bonus alone means in scores nicer hits on sub-BS rats. The only way the Navy Geddon beats a Nightmare is if you forget one of the nightmare's guns lol. navy geddon 1550 dps, sure nightmare has nice tracking but you dont need tracking in forsaken hubs So have you actually tried it?? or is EFT warrior high dps numbers proof enough?
tried it working fine, enjoying my 35m isk ticks very much.
cost is cheeper than a nightmare as well  |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
150
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Posted - 2012.08.17 01:25:00 -
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Lilan Kahn wrote:Cage Man wrote:Lilan Kahn wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Lilan Kahn wrote:Navy geddon out preforms nightmare It what game? Because it sure ain't EVE lol. I've used both in Sansha, Blood Raider and Drone Null sec and the Nightmare has no equal except maybe the Paladin and Machariel. The navy Geddon is great, but it just doesn't get the bonuses the NM gets. The Nightmare's Tracking bonus alone means in scores nicer hits on sub-BS rats. The only way the Navy Geddon beats a Nightmare is if you forget one of the nightmare's guns lol. navy geddon 1550 dps, sure nightmare has nice tracking but you dont need tracking in forsaken hubs So have you actually tried it?? or is EFT warrior high dps numbers proof enough? tried it working fine, enjoying my 35m isk ticks very much. cost is cheeper than a nightmare as well
That's cool, but how is that 35 mil tick Navy Geddon outperforming my 44 mil Tick Nightmare, is what I was saying. Navy Geddon is fine, Nightmare or paladin is better.
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Razor Rocker
TAX FREE BABY
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Posted - 2012.08.17 04:14:00 -
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Lilan Kahn wrote:Navy geddon out preforms nightmare
I'd imagine you use 4 heat sinks to get that kinda of DPS? do you armor or shield tank it?
In the end, the NM will always out perform. With the same implants you get 50 less dps, but a lot more tracking for the cruisers. Also the navy geddon has 316 of its DPS as heavy drones which is always worse than turret DPS.
It is however cheaper, but with that many faction heat sinks and implants in its going to suck to lose no matter what.
Only ship that I can see out performing the nightmare is the shield vindi which puts out just under 2100 dps and still has 2x 90% webs |
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.17 07:36:00 -
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i could get higher ticks but have a ass of a system with some rly long warp, also its drone dps is in gards so no not worse than turret dps |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
150
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Posted - 2012.08.17 11:54:00 -
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Lilan Kahn wrote:i could get higher ticks but have a ass of a system with some rly long warp, also its drone dps is in gards so no not worse than turret dps
And you do know the Nightmare , in addition to it's insanely bonused guns, can also use 3 Sentry Drones?. Marauder-like double gun bonus (giving it the equivalent of 8 guns to the Navy Armageddon's 7 and making fitting concerns a lot simpler), same damage bonus as the Navy Geddon and a Tracking Bonus the Navy Geddon doesn't get, not to mention a 2nd utility high slot (i use a neut and a Salvager , Salvager for if I get a faction spawn, Neut just in case I get tackled, which I never have, but what the heck).
Like I said, I'm sure the Navy Geddon is a good ship, but I'm still waiting for the "out perform the nightmare" part. If you'd said "almost as good as a Nightmare but a LOT cheaper" we could all agree with that, but please don't tell me 2 extra sentry drones means "out performing lol.
Thou shalt not blaspheme against the Nightmare. |
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SIR JORAH MORMONT
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.22 13:54:00 -
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Well iam flying a Vindicat with 14 sentrys assigned from a carrier.
I tested all options, and this is the best.
60 Mio a tick, so every hour 180 Mio isk. |
Diesel47
Painkiller.
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:29:00 -
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i've been reading this thread and I'm a bit confused.
What do you mean exactly when you get a "--mil tick" off something.. ? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
168
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:40:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:i've been reading this thread and I'm a bit confused.
What do you mean exactly when you get a "--mil tick" off something.. ?
You're asking what a Tick is basically.
Back in the day, the game used to give you the isk bounty you get from killing an npc just about right when you killed it. This made the server sad.
So CCP change the way it works. Now you get the isk from killing npcs in 20 minute batches, aka ticks.
Example: I shoot and kill an Angel NPC battleship that has a 1 million isk bounty, About 20 minutes later I will get 1 million isk (minus any corp tax) in my wallet from killing it (and anything else I kill in that same period of time).
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Vrykolakasis
Trinity Operations
Aurora Irae
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:45:00 -
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I don't have a ton to contribute to this, except to say that the stats and functionality of a Paladin make me drool, and I would really love to see damage logs and wallet logs from comparable Paladin and Nightmare fits, flown by the same pilot with max applicable skills. |
Diesel47
Painkiller.
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Posted - 2012.08.22 21:09:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Diesel47 wrote:i've been reading this thread and I'm a bit confused.
What do you mean exactly when you get a "--mil tick" off something.. ? You're asking what a Tick is basically. Back in the day, the game used to give you the isk bounty you get from killing an npc just about right when you killed it. This made the server sad. So CCP change the way it works. Now you get the isk from killing npcs in 20 minute batches, aka ticks. Example: I shoot and kill an Angel NPC battleship that has a 1 million isk bounty, About 20 minutes later I will get 1 million isk (minus any corp tax) in my wallet from killing it (and anything else I kill in that same period of time).
Ah makes sense.
So you guys measure the isk made by the first payout you get after you start doing the ratting/whatever.
Well this beats the 10mil ish I get from doing level 4s >.>
What would be the best next step up after Lvl4s for me? (Not including incursions :) ) |
HillAnt
1 Ant Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.08.22 21:52:00 -
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are you guys ratting anomalies in sov systems or somewhere else? |
Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2012.08.23 00:47:00 -
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Vrykolakasis wrote:I don't have a ton to contribute to this, except to say that the stats and functionality of a Paladin make me drool, and I would really love to see damage logs and wallet logs from comparable Paladin and Nightmare fits, flown by the same pilot with max applicable skills.
They both get the same turret damage bonus, ie 5% bonus to turret damage and their role and special bonus's are the same 100% to turret damage. They both use 4 guns. The NM gets an additional 7,5% per level for tracking, so already just that makes the NM better. To add to that, all the NM's lows can be used for damage and additional tracking, while the Paladin needs to use its lows for both damage and tank.
I can't use a paladin, but use a NM and have gone 1 for 1 against a corp mate in a paladin and I get far better high damage volleys and if we shooting the same type of NPC rat at the same range, I will have the NPC BS down while he is only reaching structure, so a volley or 2 better.
Our gunnery skills are similar, he has amarr BS 5 and marauder 4, I have caldari BS5 and amarr bs4. I can't remember the EFT DPS difference, but it is substantial and I have better tracking.
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Razor Rocker
Tax Free Baby
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:08:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:
So you guys measure the isk made by the first payout you get after you start doing the ratting/whatever.
Well this beats the 10mil ish I get from doing level 4s >.>
What would be the best next step up after Lvl4s for me? (Not including incursions :) )
next best step is either to move into nullsec and begin ratting/doing complexes or moving to lowsec and doing lvl 5 missions. You can also continue to do lvl 4s, but do them in NPC null if you'd like. Although its a bit of a pain as it screws with your faction standings. |
Cirq
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.15 08:34:00 -
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Care to give me some tips on how to run the hubs efficiently? I am using NM in Sansha space. Tried using both pulse and tach fits but my ticks are around 22M which, compared to what you guys are writing seems very low. My skills are near perfect. I dont use implants other than attribute enhancers.
I never have to warp out so that s not an issue either.
Would love some expert tips |
Razor Rocker
Tax Free Baby
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Posted - 2012.09.15 14:34:00 -
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Cirq wrote:Care to give me some tips on how to run the hubs efficiently? I am using NM in Sansha space. Tried using both pulse and tach fits but my ticks are around 22M which, compared to what you guys are writing seems very low. My skills are near perfect. I dont use implants other than attribute enhancers.
I never have to warp out so that s not an issue either.
Would love some expert tips
mail me your fit. it most likely has something to do with that. Besides that though I recommend getting some hardwirings. They can go a long way to increase not only your dps but our tracking as well. Even some 3% hardwirings will do you well. Also pulse > tachs any day for a forsaken hub. You should keep some scorch and multifreq in your cargo, but use conflag almost exclusively.
mail me if you need any other advice. |
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