you will hardly find a subcap that can grind up battleships faster than a nightmare. mach and vargur have less effective dps because of falloff, large blasters still lack range and torps are lolbad.

edit: plus no ammo cost!

edit2: 1500dps is the absolute end game for a nightmare, are you all5 in the relevant skills? and do you care to share your fit?

1500dps is megapulse 2's, 4 IN heatsinks, a large energy burst areator rig 2, using conflag and 2 5% damage implants. Alternatively, its 2 5% damage implants, 4 megapulse 2's w/ conflag, and 4 chelms heatsinks. For the first setup, I would be wondering where he would have gotten the cap from to do it with non-stop for 3-4 hours, for the second... damn that would be a pimped ship...

-Arazel

Edit: nvm... he posted his fit right as I was typing up my reply, and yes that is a damn pimped ship.

As for my own personal experiences, running stuff out in serpentis space the domi can work pretty nicely (especially with the new drone damage mods), and I was making 20mil using a sentry/rail domi before those mods were released... switch that to a navy domi, shield tank it, and you can put out more dps than the nightmare fit above - just warp in at 30-50k and start blapping everything. I also had good experiences, pulling in 25mil isk/tick in a pure t2 fit hyperion w/ 2 magstabs (and 20mil isk/tick using 2 of them), though the hyperion could only do that in forsaken hubs. A vindi would do even better, but I didn't see any real reason to superpimp my isk maker, when I could instead spend the money on more PvP ships.

As for a thanny, I have fighters 4 and advanced drone interfacing 4, though I have gallente carrier 5, and I was doing 20mil isk ticks using firbolgs. On the other hand, I heard that using dragonflies drastically improves their performance, though I have yet to test this.

-Arazel

Personally I hate ratting, so I pimp my ratting fits a bit more to add some risk factor of being caught and losing billions. I know that probably sounds dumb, but it's true.

Although it is not solo the best tick i have ever gotten is 46mil per bounty tick being pretty much nonstop for a few hrs. I did this with a very pretty Mach with fighters assigned from my alt in a thanny. Ps Forsaken hubs are by far the best iskies

you will hardly find a subcap that can grind up battleships faster than a nightmare. mach and vargur have less effective dps because of falloff, large blasters still lack range and torps are lolbad.

Not so at all. my Mach gets 35 mil ticks solo in Guristas and Angel Forsaken Hubs. I warp in, shoot a cruiser, approach the wreck and a couple minutes after warpin Im smack dab on top of the NPCs spawn point. No battleship get further than 15k away from me before it dies.

Interesting thread!

I rat Serpentis in a some-what pimped Tengu and get ~30Mil ticks. Hardly any effort and not too expensive to lose. =]

Interesting thread!

I rat Serpentis in a some-what pimped Tengu and get ~30Mil ticks. Hardly any effort and not too expensive to lose. =]

is HML tengu an option or is 0.0 ratting = HAM?

is HML tengu an option or is 0.0 ratting = HAM?

is HML tengu an option or is 0.0 ratting = HAM?

The naga is actually effective vs serpentis as well, since you can pull enough range to take next to no damage while still using antimatter. DPS on rails isn't as high as blasters, for sure. but the "I can hit you from here" factor is definitely a bonus.

Throw a bit of extra isk at it and It's not terribly unreasonable to top 800dps at 80km, with ~40km of falloff left to go

In my opinion, both are best to have.

HAM Tengus annhilate forsaken hubs; absolutely absurd damage. Right now I put two HAM Tengus in the same hub and they both make ~26m ticks.

I'm saving up to buy a thanny character, and then I will put them in separate hubs. My corp mate does this and says they've gotten upwards of 37m ticks. 111m per hour, per character; ~220m an hour all together (minus taxes).

Then with the rate you're annhilating hubs, you'll have plenty of escalations to do. I switch to a travel fit (nullifier, warp core stabs), head to the closest station to the escalation, refit to HM's and a bigger tank, and do the escalation. You can even bring your carrier in to the later escalations (if you have one).

Then with the rate you're annhilating hubs, you'll have plenty of escalations to do. I switch to a travel fit (nullifier, warp core stabs), head to the closest station to the escalation, refit to HM's and a bigger tank, and do the escalation. You can even bring your carrier in to the later escalations (if you have one).

Interesting, Could you link the HAM fit?

Cheers.

don't you have trouble with docking? or do you only rat in blue space?

Hey guys,

So I wanted to know what people thought were the best ships for ratting in nullsec, and how much ISK/Hr they would receive from bounties only. Lets exclude salvage as that will vary depending on where you sell it or what you do with the mins from melting it.

So post your ship types, and average amount of ISK/HR and let's see who has it down to a science. Let's also restrict this to 1 ship. No duel box setups.

For instance, my faction/deadspace nightmare pumping out 1500 dps with drones made on average 100-110m/hr. This of course was in Sansha space. Against any other rats it did very poorly.

Can your carrier do more? How about your machariel or marauder?

Cheers

Pushed 90 millions/hour ( 3 anomalies ) with this cheap Nightmare on actual drone space ON TEST SERVER doing the 10/10
Easiest way to tank drones and enought cap to never stop shooting at 40 km optimal with over 1000 dps with low-grade crystals and +3 implants, and yes can be much more pimped

[Nightmare, New Setup 1]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Auto Targeting System II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Energy Locus Coordinator II


Hobgoblin II x5


Fly safe
Hula

Back to the topic.

I'm curious about how the vargur & paladin compares to the nightmares ISK/HR ration here.

The result from machariel interests me also.

Pleaso DO contribute your results.

I'm not the poster, but one who might be moving back to 0.0 soon and I'm dying to know what are the proven "most efficient" ISK machines.

Personally I used to run anoms with tengu & machariel and had around 100+m isk income combined. Tho only t2 fits and +3% implants.

Cheers o/

Hey guys,

So I wanted to know what people thought were the best ships for ratting in nullsec, and how much ISK/Hr they would receive from bounties only. Lets exclude salvage as that will vary depending on where you sell it or what you do with the mins from melting it.

So post your ship types, and average amount of ISK/HR and let's see who has it down to a science. Let's also restrict this to 1 ship. No duel box setups.

For instance, my faction/deadspace nightmare pumping out 1500 dps with drones made on average 100-110m/hr. This of course was in Sansha space. Against any other rats it did very poorly.

Can your carrier do more? How about your machariel or marauder?

Cheers

Nice topic and awsome DPS! The problem is not what ship do you fly or what setup do you use (this is secondary), the problem is that even the rats in nullsec have been recently nerfed! I remember last year I was making kinda 40-50 m/hr, now I barely do 10-15 m/hr with much better skills. This is outrageous.

Nice topic and awsome DPS! The problem is not what ship do you fly or what setup do you use (this is secondary), the problem is that even the rats in nullsec have been recently nerfed! I remember last year I was making kinda 40-50 m/hr, now I barely do 10-15 m/hr with much better skills. This is outrageous.

Vindicators can get 35m ticks in forsaken hubs, seems similar to your nightmare. I don't think you're going to see ticks much better than yours or that on a *single* ship, unless you assign fighters.

Can I assume here a shield tanked blaster Vindicator?

I have in my head a fit that would make ratting in null less boring. Scenario is forsaken hubs.

Blasters

Hardener
Hardener
web
shield booster
mwd

magstabs
drone damage mods

CCC
CCC
hardener rig

antimatter + heavy drones

Works nicely on paper, mwd to rat, kill it.


Or is rail Vindicator better with sentries? Anyone with hands-on experience?

Not so at all. My Mach gets 35 mil ticks solo in Guristas and ........

Do the Guristas jamming you not affect that total, or is that with you getting jammed?

/me thinks about returning to 0.0 for some ratting.

Or you will have to dock to clear your scanner.

if you run a ship scan for anamolies then run them. With out a probe launcher to refresh your scan, you would need to dock to clear your scan, otherwise you will see the same sigs you have already run over and over. IE fit a probe launcher in your last high. Unless im so newb and there is a trick to this i dont know yet.?

When you run the scan after finishing a site the sites you have already run stay on the scanner

I take it you haven't used D-Scan anytime in the last, oh 3 patches lol.

The sites you have already run do not show on your d-scan after you re-scan. CCP changed that from the way it was (ie you had to dock of leave system to clear you scanner) in the same patch where the expanded D-scan range.

Somehow, everyone else got the memo lol.

To bring me back into this because I forgot about this thread, The mach fit that i use with a thanny sending me five fighters is more aless as follows.


Lows are 2 Caldari Navy Pdus
2 Rep Fleet Tracking Enhancers
3 Rep Fleet Gyros

Mids Are 1 Xtype Thermal Hardner
1 Xtype Kinetic Hardner
1 Xtype 100MN Ab
1 Xtype XL Shield Booster

Highs Are all 800 autocannons with a salvager in the last highslot

-Keep in mind that you do have one open Med slot that can be used for alot of things from a heavy cap booster for ohshit situations to a shield boost amp to a invo... Most of the time i run an invo for those suprise buttsex times where I need to pvp in it.

-Keep in mind also that this BS mixed with 600 Fighter Dps is able to drop BS size rats at a crushing rate. Sometimes allowing me to finish 2 hubs and work on a third between bounty ticks.

So the fit is not for the cheap or faint of heart but is able to tank all the way to a guristas 8 of ten as well as able to tank all the rooms in the maze but the very last one... Which I have tanked by mistake but with logi and a puckered butthole.. Although judging by how I was tanking the addition of an Xtype EM hardner may make it possible with logi support which will put the Mach supreme for ratting.


On another note as far as the vindi goes it may do great dps but you have alot of travel time depending on the rat types you are shooting which can amount to alot of hurt and your damage types are limited.


(PS All of the above is with no implants)

From CSM notes "Soundwave clarified his earlier statement that the top ISK earners are all carrier pilots running anomalies."

Great to see this thread still has some action!





hmm that is interesting. Do you know if he meant super carrier pilots or carrier pilots?

I really can't imagine how a carrier can do 35-40m/tick consistently. I can however see a good nyx pilot doing quite well with 20+ fighters out.

Yea I run a similar sentry setup but I use a thanny. Although I use 2 omnidirectional and a target painter instead of 3 omnidirectional. I also use my 5th high slot for a black eagle drone link augmentor.

With this I can warp in at 70km and if they spawn a little bit further I can still engage my sentries out to 77km. Also because of this setup I take almost no damage and always have jump cap to get out if need be.

With this setup I can get an average 28-33m ticks, but nothing further. Am I doing something wrong?

I rat in a Thanny everage 28-30m bounty ticks so up to 90m an hr
My buddy rats in a mach and pulse 40m ticks so 120m an hr for him

Vindicators can get 35m ticks in forsaken hubs, seems similar to your nightmare. I don't think you're going to see ticks much better than yours or that on a *single* ship, unless you assign fighters.

if you run a ship scan for anamolies then run them. With out a probe launcher to refresh your scan, you would need to dock to clear your scan, otherwise you will see the same sigs you have already run over and over. IE fit a probe launcher in your last high. Unless im so newb and there is a trick to this i dont know yet.?

my mach gets upto 40m a tick in forsaken hubs. but averages 35m only tiem it peaks at 40m is when i get a decent domination spawn.

Pushed 90 millions/hour ( 3 anomalies ) with this cheap Nightmare on actual drone space ON TEST SERVER doing the 10/10
Easiest way to tank drones and enought cap to never stop shooting at 40 km optimal with over 1000 dps with low-grade crystals and +3 implants, and yes can be much more pimped

[Nightmare, New Setup 1]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Auto Targeting System II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Energy Locus Coordinator II


Hobgoblin II x5


Fly safe
Hula

Navy geddon out preforms nightmare

It what game?

Because it sure ain't EVE lol. I've used both in Sansha, Blood Raider and Drone Null sec and the Nightmare has no equal except maybe the Paladin and Machariel. The navy Geddon is great, but it just doesn't get the bonuses the NM gets. The Nightmare's Tracking bonus alone means in scores nicer hits on sub-BS rats.

The only way the Navy Geddon beats a Nightmare is if you forget one of the nightmare's guns lol.

navy geddon 1550 dps, sure nightmare has nice tracking but you dont need tracking in forsaken hubs

So have you actually tried it?? or is EFT warrior high dps numbers proof enough?

tried it working fine, enjoying my 35m isk ticks very much.

cost is cheeper than a nightmare as well

Navy geddon out preforms nightmare

i could get higher ticks but have a ass of a system with some rly long warp, also its drone dps is in gards so no not worse than turret dps

i've been reading this thread and I'm a bit confused.

What do you mean exactly when you get a "--mil tick" off something.. ?

You're asking what a Tick is basically.

Back in the day, the game used to give you the isk bounty you get from killing an npc just about right when you killed it. This made the server sad.

So CCP change the way it works. Now you get the isk from killing npcs in 20 minute batches, aka ticks.

Example: I shoot and kill an Angel NPC battleship that has a 1 million isk bounty, About 20 minutes later I will get 1 million isk (minus any corp tax) in my wallet from killing it (and anything else I kill in that same period of time).

I don't have a ton to contribute to this, except to say that the stats and functionality of a Paladin make me drool, and I would really love to see damage logs and wallet logs from comparable Paladin and Nightmare fits, flown by the same pilot with max applicable skills.

So you guys measure the isk made by the first payout you get after you start doing the ratting/whatever.

Well this beats the 10mil ish I get from doing level 4s >.>

What would be the best next step up after Lvl4s for me? (Not including incursions :) )

Care to give me some tips on how to run the hubs efficiently? I am using NM in Sansha space. Tried using both pulse and tach fits but my ticks are around 22M which, compared to what you guys are writing seems very low. My skills are near perfect. I dont use implants other than attribute enhancers.
I never have to warp out so that s not an issue either.
Would love some expert tips

Ah makes sense.

So you guys measure the isk made by the first payout you get after you start doing the ratting/whatever.

Well this beats the 10mil ish I get from doing level 4s >.>

What would be the best next step up after Lvl4s for me? (Not including incursions :) )

They both get the same turret damage bonus, ie 5% bonus to turret damage and their role and special bonus's are the same 100% to turret damage. They both use 4 guns. The NM gets an additional 7,5% per level for tracking, so already just that makes the NM better. To add to that, all the NM's lows can be used for damage and additional tracking, while the Paladin needs to use its lows for both damage and tank.
I can't use a paladin, but use a NM and have gone 1 for 1 against a corp mate in a paladin and I get far better high damage volleys and if we shooting the same type of NPC rat at the same range, I will have the NPC BS down while he is only reaching structure, so a volley or 2 better.
Our gunnery skills are similar, he has amarr BS 5 and marauder 4, I have caldari BS5 and amarr bs4. I can't remember the EFT DPS difference, but it is substantial and I have better tracking.

In recent days after all the Huff Buff I went and snagged a Vindi. Wow what I was missing. In a forsaken hub I am getting about 38 Mil per tick 42-45 Mil with fighters assigned from my Thanny. I always thought that the blasters would be crap range but I dident look to much into t2 ammo. If you motor to the first wreak on the first spawn while shooting nothing will ever get further then 10km from you. I have my guns grouped in 4's and each set does the same volley damage as my Mach. I would strongly advise the Vindi as it is full of win.

This is a Shield fit-

8 Neutron 2s
x-type 100mn Ab
Gist X type Xl booster
Gist X type Kinetic Hardner
Gist X type Therm Hardner
Dread Guristas Invo

3 Fed Navy Mag Stabs
3 Fed Navy Tracking Enhancers
1 Nano (Sense this ship has alot of armor it does take a second to allign out when a nuet comes in. This cuts it down a bit, You also have less then 5 Cpu to fit this slot)

Rigs are CCCs

With fighters this is doing well over 2k Dps able to volley BC hulls and 4 Shot BS hulls...

I would assign Sentries instead of fighters.

Fits and stuff

the real question is, if your runing to make isk why would you want to do the "harder" anoms when all you need to do is run forsaken hubs for optimal isk.

Quick question - what do you mean by 'ticks'?

Those look more like L4 mission fits to me and would mostly likely die in blood anoms. They might handle sansha ones but in blood anoms you get Archbishop spawns sometimes 3-4 of them and they neut the hell out of you when they are <30km. The last thing you want to be doing is flying a cap hungry ship that makes you stay around 17km from rats. Yes you can switch to scorch but if you need the range you might as well fit tachs.

To run blood anoms in amarr ships without taking too much of a risk its much better to fit for range and snipe them from 50-60km and avoid the neuts along with avoiding a considerable amount of the overall damage from the short range damage BS/BC rats.

For the harder anoms forsaken hubs/havens/sanctums to run them solo you pretty much require a deadspace tank of at least 700DPS unless you want to sacrifice your DPS considerably. And the last spawns of those are almost always touch and go since you get like 15 ships and 6-8 are high damage BS so I prefer a tank of around 800DPS and am always aligned for an emergency warpout. After all, you never know when you might kill a trigger at the wrong time and that extra tank keeps your expensive ratter from popping.

But I have flown many blood anoms in a paladin and average around 25-27mil tick. It's doable but in a sentry carrier(not max skills) I can get ~30mil ticks easy without having to worry about triggers and stuff. Only issue with ratting in a carrier is getting tackled since it has a 30 sec align time. So you want to use it in a very quiet dead end system so you can get it to safety long before reds get in system(pay attention to intel channels and local).

As for the NM I haven't used it in anoms mainly because I don't want to mess with cap boosters and the paladin already gets me 25+mil easy enough. The only thing different on the NM compared to the paladin is it has a little better tracking but if you are at range tracking isn't an issue at all.