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Rhoulaki
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Posted - 2010.06.06 19:59:00 -
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Make sure the female announcer doesn't speak again. Ever. She has no idea what she's talking about and her voice is terrible.
One stream with announcers and another with sound effects only would also be acceptable.
Make it happen CCP.
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Glonn
Amarr
Res Ipsa Loquitor
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:00:00 -
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They keep saying the wrong ships.
And telling me ships are alive when they aren't.
And ending it when theres the little ferox that could.
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Tari Redhel
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:10:00 -
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Less sportscaster, More CIC-talker.
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Von Mukesh
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:19:00 -
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I say hire Marv Albert.
Sorry to the girl, nothing personal, but you are pretty bad at this.
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Tejal Charu
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:22:00 -
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Let's see you guys do this. |
Ryhss
Caldari
Victory Fleet Systems
C.H.A.L.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Rhoulaki
Make sure the female announcer doesn't speak again. Ever. She has no idea what she's talking about and her voice is terrible.
One stream with announcers and another with sound effects only would also be acceptable.
Make it happen CCP.
She has one bad game and the asshats freak out....leave her alone.
Originally by: Abrazzar
I don't know what's going on but I am terribly upset about it. 
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Terrax Norik
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tejal Charu
Let's see you guys do this.
Yea, it's always funny to see people like the OP fail even worse when they try to do the same.
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Rhoulaki
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ryhss
Edited by: Ryhss on 06/06/2010 20:30:46
Originally by: Rhoulaki
Make sure the female announcer doesn't speak again. Ever. She has no idea what she's talking about and her voice is terrible.
One stream with announcers and another with sound effects only would also be acceptable.
Make it happen CCP.
She has one bad game and the asshats freak out....leave her alone.
\ Originally by: Tejal Charu
Let's see you guys do this.
Good point, exactly! Great post.
No she is terrible, stay on topic. The other announcers are doing a great job, just make her be quiet.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:35:00 -
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and the last.... "skimatar" falls 
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
my name actually is short for catherine
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Von Mukesh
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:35:00 -
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yeah the sKimitar thing was annoying lol
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Captain Vampire
Caldari
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:41:00 -
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LEAVE BRIANNA ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Brolly
Caldari
Icarus' Wings
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:54:00 -
[12]
Surprised you didn't mention kitchens or sandwiches in your post
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.06 20:56:00 -
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she is terrible but you didn't get the job, so you must be super****in******ed in the noob ass.
ggkthxnore
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Taipan Leviathan
Shadows Of The Requiem
Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2010.06.06 22:36:00 -
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I rather have a AT that is fun to watch then one that is correct all the time.
AT was fun to watch.
Mission acomplished.
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Simeon Tor
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Posted - 2010.06.06 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: Simeon Tor on 06/06/2010 22:45:44
Was one of them mistaking Ishtars for Ishkurs or was that just me? Seemed like he did it a lot.
Quote:
I rather have a AT that is fun to watch then one that is correct all the time.
Is there a reason it can't be both fun and correct?
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2010.06.06 22:53:00 -
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The video should be edited and should include audio from the TS of the respective teams. Postmortem interviews could be worked in.
The play by play guys have a hard time calling it becuase they have very little info about what is going on. Even when they do have all the names correct they are reduce to reporting on the relative shield stregth of ship x - something we can see ourselves.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2010.06.06 22:59:00 -
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/me posting
I gotz a featured spot in the highly anticipated match-up between Tormentum and Star Fraction
Brionna is great 
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AppleBanana
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Posted - 2010.06.06 23:27:00 -
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It's not that shes a girl, they have women give on the field updates during football games and although its kinda weird to hear a women talking about sports at least they know what they are saying. This AT8 girl has no clue what was going on and was sputtering nonsense most the time. I have a bad feeling were gunna have to listen to her next weekend too :(
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Rhoulaki
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Posted - 2010.06.07 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
she is terrible... must be... a...noob.
ggkthxnore
Fixed.
Originally by: Simeon Tor
Edited by: Simeon Tor on 06/06/2010 22:45:44
Was one of them mistaking Ishtars for Ishkurs or was that just me? Seemed like he did it a lot.
Quote:
I rather have a AT that is fun to watch then one that is correct all the time.
Is there a reason it can't be both fun and correct?
This.
Originally by: AppleBanana
It's not that shes a girl, they have women give on the field updates during football games and although its kinda weird to hear a women talking about sports at least they know what they are saying. This AT8 girl has no clue what was going on and was sputtering nonsense most the time. I have a bad feeling were gunna have to listen to her next weekend too :(
And this. I wasn't say she shouldn't be there cause she is female, it was just the easiest way to identify which commentator I was referring to (not that everyone else wasn't already thinking it).
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Kraundewr
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:09:00 -
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Go easy on the announcers for God's sake!
You don't really think they were sober do you?
Does anyone actually play this game sober? 
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dexington
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:17:00 -
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I think they are doing an okay job, it may not be perfect but then again i don't think it's something they do everyday.
If you don't like it just turn down the sound...
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 07/06/2010 05:25:13
The announcers, including seasoned vets, can and will make mistakes occasionally. So do professional sports casters.
Who cares.
It's entertaining, and occasionally offers some interesting points of view. Operating as intended.
Edit: I will have to concede the point that it would be nice if people would stop saying sKimitar.  I know it's a common mispronunciation, but it makes me wince each time I hear it.
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offcopy
Caldari
OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2010.06.07 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kraundewr
Go easy on the announcers for God's sake!
You don't really think they were sober do you?
Does anyone actually play this game sober?
i play sober, no money for drinks :(
but agreed i'm sure like the devs the announcers are all drunk
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.06.07 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ban Doga on 07/06/2010 06:39:37
Originally by: EvilCheez
The video should be edited and should include audio from the TS of the respective teams. Postmortem interviews could be worked in.
The play by play guys have a hard time calling it becuase they have very little info about what is going on. Even when they do have all the names correct they are reduce to reporting on the relative shield stregth of ship x - something we can see ourselves.
They should also watch the tourney stream themselves.
Then they could avoid talking about something that the viewers can identify as wrong immediately.
"That's it, game over" - "No, there's still that Ferox"
"And the Cyclone going into low shields" - "No, its says Sleipnir on my screen"
"And they just lost the Sabre and Logistics ship at the same time" - "Actually they lost that Sabre 30 seconds ago"
*EDIT*
Also extra lulz for "Oh, I accidentally moved out of range and cannot see anything right now"
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.06.07 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Taipan Leviathan
I rather have a AT that is fun to watch then one that is correct all the time.
AT was fun to watch.
Mission acomplished.
This, bunch of nitpickers. Get that sand out of your panties.  
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Cassina Lemour
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.07 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rhoulaki
Make sure the female announcer doesn't speak again. Ever. She has no idea what she's talking about and her voice is terrible.
You are an ignorant sexist pig.
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Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:17:00 -
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Most of them are pretty terrible this year.
The only way it can get and worse is if they start calling ships the tan one launching those dashes and those gray ones shooting the big white balls and start saying that their rage bars are filling up when they get hit.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cassina Lemour
Originally by: Rhoulaki
Make sure the female announcer doesn't speak again. Ever. She has no idea what she's talking about and her voice is terrible.
You are an ignorant sexist pig.
STFU, HTFU and get back in the kitchen.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
my name actually is short for catherine
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Simeon Tor
Quote:
I rather have a AT that is fun to watch then one that is correct all the time.
Is there a reason it can't be both fun and correct?
They can be both and should try to be both, but they need to be entertaining first and foremost. Clearly not everyone thinks like this, but those seem to be relatively few and even they know all the facts already, so they don't really need to hear commentators repeat what they already knew. So even to the nitpickers the main value of the commentating can only be entertainment. The main reason for the commentating is therefore to make the watching experience more entertaining with their chatter and providing very basic info for people new to the ships, the tactics and the mechanics. They did this mostly fine and with more experience the frequency of factual mistakes made will go down.
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Braskyte
StarShard Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.07 17:48:00 -
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It all started with people complaining about the commentators - hey how about some players do the commentating (a year ago)! Well you got what you wished for. It wasn't without mistake before, but now... Some of those people from the "big important alliances" sound so dam boring - their voices and what they say. You guys need to work on your public speaking skills, so you don't "choke" or use the same phrase over and over.
What is needed more is for commentators to have 1 monitor playing EVE and viewing the battle first hand and the other monitor showing what the spectators are seeing - the live-stream (or in windowed modes). Too often they can't comment because they lost locks, they don't know which ships blew up - this is hard to keep track off because they don't have the 20 lock opus yacht(camera) - I imagine they have normal locks and i bet its hard to keep track off what blew up, damage etc.
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SeldonCrisis
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:18:00 -
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Onry a mwatter of twhym. Ad infinitum.
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Vanakov Mek'lanavar
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:33:00 -
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Let CCP Claw commentate
He has an awesomeness level of 100
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:36:00 -
[33]
There are girls? I might actually watch the **** now.
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Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:40:00 -
[34]
Dear CCP Navigator,
What was that you were saying about reliability?
xoxo
Julius
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Tsang Po
Gallente
Aeon Security Force
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:47:00 -
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There is a Starcraft commentator by the name of "Totalbiscuit" who is by far the best I've ever heard in any venue. He is what AT commentators should aspire to be. Let me break it down:
Good commentators need three things:
1. Be interested. If you're not actually paying attention to what's going on, or get lazy with being aware of everything important that's going on in a match, you're going to sound uninteresting, which brings us to point two...
2. Be interesting. If you sound mundane and boring, nobody is going to like listening to you. If you're interested in what's going on, and sound energetic and engaged with the material, you will be absolutely awesome. Part of that, however, brings us to point three...
3. Know what you're talking about. If you know what's going on, and you know what it means to the game at hand, and most importantly, you're able to communicate it quickly and clearly, you won't sound like a dumbass who isn't paying attention. Knowing the game inside-out also helps inspire personal confidence in what you're talking about, and being able to communicate what you know quickly helps tremendously with points one and two.
It is the holy trinity, the trifecta of commentating matches in any video game and/or sport.
The commentators for the EVE Alliance Tournament seem to only ever get one, maybe two of these at best. They manage to sound boring even when they're interested in what's going on and seem to know what they're talking about.
It's horrible, just horrible.
But really? I like that they're there, and I think they have potential. They've managed to do the job so far, but they need to improve. Step up your game, commentators, don't settle for what you're doing being the best that there is... because, as it is in all things, you could be doing a better job.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tsang Po
There is a Starcraft commentator by the name of "Totalbiscuit" who is by far the best I've ever heard in any venue. He is what AT commentators should aspire to be. Let me break it down:
àI wonder if it's good old TB from the Planetside daysà
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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:52:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion to Alliance Tournament Discussion.
Navigator
Senior Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Tsang Po
Gallente
Aeon Security Force
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:52:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Tsang Po
There is a Starcraft commentator by the name of "Totalbiscuit" who is by far the best I've ever heard in any venue. He is what AT commentators should aspire to be. Let me break it down:
àI wonder if it's good old TB from the Planetside daysà
I have no idea, but here's his Youtube channel.
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.08 11:59:00 -
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Can somebody link to a video of the person you're on about?
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aeoluse
Gallente
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.08 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rhoulaki
The other announcers are doing a great job, just make her be quiet.
Apart from Verone keeps getting ship types wrong as well and so for that matter does Angelhun (sp?). The only one who has consistently got most things right is Kil2, but even then he has got a few wrong.
They are all doing well to be honest, its fast paced and it is easy to sit at home and say oh they got that wrong, when you aren't commentating yourself.
If you can do better here's a challenge. Next fight, turn the sound off and record your own commentary then post it on YouTube (or to CCP so they can dub it over the video) and see how you do. We will see if you can not only say every name right, but talk for the entire time, making it fairly interesting and filling in the boring bits.
Watch any sport on TV, even the professionals get the names wrong on occasion.
Otherwise, just turn the sound off...
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Commander Azrael
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.08 12:37:00 -
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Perhaps the OP post is a bit harsh, but several things were horribly wrong and going back to Soundwave when there was still a ship on the field is pretty fail.
I did find kil2's commentating useful though (even if the quality of his mic does grate a little on the ears).
Flame away!
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Orange Faeces
The Squirt Locker
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Posted - 2010.06.08 15:17:00 -
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Bigotry is what happens when you don't listen to what someone is saying and judge them only on superficial characteristics that are not under their control. I am reporting this thread OP to CCP as sexism. Think before you post.
If you listen, actually listen, to the commentators, you will realize that they are all about the same. This goes for the females, Americans, brits, and others in the group. The only commentator who stood out as being completely uninterested in what they were doing was Darius Johnson.
oF
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Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Faeces
Bigotry is what happens when you don't listen to what someone is saying and judge them only on superficial characteristics that are not under their control. I am reporting this thread OP to CCP as sexism. Think before you post.
If you listen, actually listen, to the commentators, you will realize that they are all about the same. This goes for the females, Americans, brits, and others in the group. The only commentator who stood out as being completely uninterested in what they were doing was Darius Johnson.
oF
Seconded. The Faeces has spoken!
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Kil2
Club Bear
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.08 17:21:00 -
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Hi guys!
Ive kind of been waiting for an opportunity to talk about stuff like comparisons to total biscuit and husky and all the other cool starcraft commentators, as well as the comparisons to sports commentary. One thing those guys have going that I dont and ive been trying every year to work on is presence on the mic, totalbiscuit is amazing in that respect and it makes him worth listening to even though he has no idea what hes talking about. tobi****enobi is another example of that.
But i want you guys to think about the differences between what they are trying to do and what we are trying to do. In starcraft or other popular e-sport games, you can see every single thing both players are doing. No confusion or ambiguity. Marines moving here. Starport building now. You can guess about what they will do in the future but theres no debate about the present. Eve is different in that respect. We dont know what FCs are saying, we dont know how ships are fit exactly, we dont know what targets are under ewar pressure. This isnt an excuse just keep it in mind when you compare the two.
And in sports theres only one focus in the action. Just follow the ball. In eve you have the equivilent of 8-20 balls on the field at a time (this is what stevie likes about the tournament?) We could be putting our attention in many different places simultaniously and this can lead to frustration if a viewer thinks it belongs somewhere different.
Just some stuff to think about. Glad most of you are having fun, look for us to get more and more awesome next weekend!
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Ahkin
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.06.08 22:22:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Vanakov Mek'lanavar
Let CCP Claw commentate
He has an awesomeness level of 100
He is too busy blowing up boundary violations
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.06.08 22:27:00 -
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Brianna fanclub checkin' in
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Harrigan VonStudly
Gallente Isk Relocation Services
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Posted - 2010.06.08 22:31:00 -
[47]
Hire this guy
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.08 22:52:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly
Hire this guy
He's an announcer not a commentator. 
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Orange Faeces
The Squirt Locker
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Posted - 2010.06.08 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kil2
Hi guys!
Ive kind of been waiting for an opportunity to talk about stuff like comparisons to total biscuit and husky and all the other cool starcraft commentators, as well as the comparisons to sports commentary. One thing those guys have going that I dont and ive been trying every year to work on is presence on the mic, totalbiscuit is amazing in that respect and it makes him worth listening to even though he has no idea what hes talking about. tobi****enobi is another example of that.
But i want you guys to think about the differences between what they are trying to do and what we are trying to do. In starcraft or other popular e-sport games, you can see every single thing both players are doing. No confusion or ambiguity. Marines moving here. Starport building now. You can guess about what they will do in the future but theres no debate about the present. Eve is different in that respect. We dont know what FCs are saying, we dont know how ships are fit exactly, we dont know what targets are under ewar pressure. This isnt an excuse just keep it in mind when you compare the two.
And in sports theres only one focus in the action. Just follow the ball. In eve you have the equivilent of 8-20 balls on the field at a time (this is what stevie likes about the tournament?) We could be putting our attention in many different places simultaniously and this can lead to frustration if a viewer thinks it belongs somewhere different.
Just some stuff to think about. Glad most of you are having fun, look for us to get more and more awesome next weekend!
Thank you Kil2, for weighing in on this. I think you are correct that there are some profound differences in EVE Alliance Tourney, as compared to most other E-Sports events.
It seems to me that one way to solve this for CCP to develop an interface where, somehow, the electronic warfare effects, capacitor and other hidden-state aspects of each pilot's ship would be available to the commentators. Now, you'd have to delay the broadcast somewhat to avoid cheating, but this is not an insurmountable challenge.
I have some ideas on how this could be done, but it really isn't hard to imagine several solutions to this. For example, in the current system the teams are listed vertically on the left and right of the screen. Ships that have been successfully jammed could be outlined with a colored bar. Some other system would be needed for effects that are not binary but it could be done and it would help the viewers and the commentators considerably.
oF
(Also, its nice to see that a problematic thread is being derailed into helpful territory for once. This must be a first for forums!)
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Aldor Fisax
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Posted - 2010.06.08 22:57:00 -
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I think Kil2 nailed it on the head. Its not very difficult to see what's going on in a SC or SC2 game in comparison to EVE. And in sports, the announcers have lists of all the players, all their skills, the positions, whose played how long with how many different teams, who they're dating, when they lost their virginity, etc... In contrast, the EVE announcers have to try to describe a lot of action quickly while only having Information they can get off their screens.
Now onto some suggestions. I like the idea of the announcers getting the same feed as we do so at least they can see what we do. There are some interesting timing issues but they can be solved. Also, it would be great if the announcers can get a fit list for the ships currently fighting it out near the start of the match. This way, they could comment both on the opponents fittings and how they're using them in the match.
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Kil2
Club Bear
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.08 23:35:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Kil2 on 08/06/2010 23:38:02
I agree about helpful territory! Its better for all.
In respect to your suggestions: I think any change that could give us knowledge that the teams themselves dont have is basically no-go territory. Even though this is a bummer from a viewers perspective, its extremely important from a players perspective. If we are given fitting information and we talk about it and then the team we talked about doesn't lose any ships, its possible our information would compromise their ability to perform in future matches( or even in the current match because of the stream, which would be the worst possible outcome).
E-war displays are right on the line. That information is all available to all player participants IF the gang is communicating well and the FCs are good. For us as viewers it would be amazing to see little jam/damp/TD icons next to the ships they are being used against, but, what if a team is communicating badly and they accidentally have put ALL of their matar jammers on the same target, or they have somehow forgotten to damp a critical ship, now our commentary and the stream comes into play for the teams strategically.
Keeping the Action completely separate from the broadcast is crucial to having a tournament worth watching but ideas like this are constantly running through my mind as well because every extra piece of info we get contributes to a better experience for the viewers.
Keep ideas coming and thanks for thoughtful, non-hateful discussion 
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Aldor Fisax
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Posted - 2010.06.08 23:54:00 -
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Hmm, you raise a few good points. I think the problem of effecting the outcome of the current fight (both from my fitting suggestion and the improved graphics suggestion) could be elleviated by a broadcast delay. This delay doesn't necessarily need to be very long. The first round fights averaged probably ~10 minutes so a ~5 minute delay would cause the broadcast to have a very limited delay on the fight. For example, by the time you announced any fittings or ECMs or whatever, the fight would be 5 minutes further down the road. Of course, I do not know if this would have some other negative effect I haven't thought of.
I'm not 100% sure I agree with your comment about harming teams by talking about fittings. If the fittings were fixed I would agree, but teams can of course, change their fittings. Further, this would be a disadvantage to all teams (that have ships survive). I do agree that if you lose all your ships, you wont suffer that disadvantage but you did lose all your ships. I just think because every team would have roughly the same disadvantage, and you can mitigate it by changing fittings or changing ships, its not that big of a deal, but I could be wrong.
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Kil2
Club Bear
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.09 00:02:00 -
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I think you're right about the delay. Especially with respect to ewar.
In terms of fittings I think even if in theory the change effects all equally, in practice some specific team would get hosed and be really frustrated. Also you are right they would know what had been mentioned and have the opportunity to adjust. But then you have that same question of do you want the broadcast having direct effect on strategy in the tournament?
The question of whether the tournament is an event for the players or the viewers is really interesting to me. You want both of course but depending on which has higher value the shape the event takes could change drastically.
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Harrigan VonStudly
Gallente Isk Relocation Services
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Posted - 2010.06.09 01:48:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Harrigan VonStudly on 09/06/2010 01:49:25
Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly
Hire this guy
He's an announcer not a commentator.
No ****. To get the tournament started in dramatic fashion instead of: ok welcome ...
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Aldor Fisax
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Posted - 2010.06.09 02:20:00 -
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I think you're right that you don't want to impinge on the integrity of the match, and give any one side an unfair advantage. I think, however, that this change wouldn't give any one side a significant advantage. My reasoning behind this is as follows: If I was in the tournament, I'd of course watch the match of my next opponent. I, then, would have a good guess of the previous strategy and fittings of the other side. Thus, I'd probably change my strategy (assuming they also could do the same). I feel that if the announcers have the fitting info, they wouldn't necessarily glean much more information. It also depends on what the announcers actually say. If you say, "He's running three Armor Rep 2s and a Magnetic Stabilizer" is a lot different then saying, "Well I can see he's fitting a strong armor tank and some rails". Anyway, as a relative noob, I may just not have the qualification to make a good statement about this.
To your second point, it is interesting the trade off of the sport vs the spectators. I think a good example is baseball. Clearly, using the broadcast, a team can steal signs. In fact, many believes this happens and is sort of just tolerated. If you get caught, you get punished but its not a big deal. Its cause the angle of the broadcast (which allows this) is far more important than this possibility. The analogy breaks down though, since baseball is a multi-billion dollar industry and last I checked, AT is not.
On a separate note, if the announcers can focus a bit more on strategy of one team or another, rather than "oh, their Vindicator is in armor, and it's gone" would be a bit more useful.
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Otoko no Baito
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Posted - 2010.06.09 05:14:00 -
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In my opinion the most horrible thing in these threads are the people screaming about the pronunciation.
Seriously, I thought everyone would have been used to it by now since we are in the internet with people from all different nationalities.
For example me, having spent most of the Eve-time in Finnish speaking TS. When I have to speak english in Eve, even though my general pronunciation ain't horrible the shipnames naturally stay 'finglish' just because I'm used to it.
And this isn't restricted to different nationalities, the 'normal' pronunciation of the ship- and solarsystemnames varies a lot even between the different alliances. From now of if someone flames you for pronouncing wrong just say:
"Sorry, but I'm just speaking ______ (insert alliance name here) -dialect"
Sorry about the rant, I hope this won't lead this thread back into a bad direction.
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Posted - 2010.06.09 06:15:00 -
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This thread is about improvements that can be made... this *****fest is off topic and completely unproductive.
The announcers all are doing a great job, I noted many times errors made by both Men and Women, they volunteer there time so cut slack and watch the matches with the mute button on if it vex's you.
Now. How to Approve the Tourneys
1. Faster Updates on the Eve Tourney Page would be great.
2. Links to Forum and IRC room would be an excellent addition. Twitter addon is ok. But needs to be Freeze in one position.
3. The Commentators should all have a list of the ships 2 minutes prior to the match start. This may avoid confusion later and make the Commentators job more easy.
4. The Area should be tighter in the Finals. Teams should increase in Size. Hopefully this should lend a bit more Carnage.
5. Teams should consist of 20 registered Pilots. I'm not sure if this is the case or not now, but it would certainly decrease the chances of being disqualified for not fielding the correct number players needed.
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Kashimir
Otoko no Baito
The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.09 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Senator Zedicus
3. The Commentators should all have a list of the ships 2 minutes prior to the match start. This may avoid confusion later and make the Commentators job more easy.
This.
Also as for the broadcast it would be nice to see the camera on the field also few minutes prior to the match allowing the commentators to do some speculation of the match and allow the viewers to see the ranges and stuff. It seems to be quite hectic at times in the beginning of the match. Though this would cut down the short break that the commentators have between the matches even shorter. 
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Yura Ghost
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Posted - 2010.06.09 06:35:00 -
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Again, CCP needs to pay for professionals. There are good pvpers out there that know 1000 times more then these commentators. But they will not waste their time just to comment. You have to pay them.
CCP is using cheap labor. lol.
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Posted - 2010.06.09 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: DasPocketTB on 09/06/2010 12:45:19
Greetings ladies and gents, my name is TotalBiscuit and I'd like to weigh in on this one briefly.
A lot of valid points have been made as to how to present competitive gaming content to a large audience. The mention of my name was flattering, but I do have to hilight something somebody else said further down, in which he commented that I sounded good but often had no idea what I was talking about.
That guy is correct, my knowledge of SC2 for instance is surface level, my presentations are based around colour and high-adrenaline play-by-play. In the case of EvE, you can have an element of that but you must have a much more analytical form of commentary in order to succeed.
There are 3 kinds of commentator in sports, whether electronic or otherwise.
Play-by-Play :- This is your anchor guy, he does the majority of the talking. Usually the one with the most confidence and ability to talk quickly and clearly. His analysis skills only have to extend to knowing who is on the field and what they are doing in real-time. He then takes that knowledge and provides a running description of exactly what is going on, generally doing so in a bombastic manner. Originally designed to give radio listeners a clear picture of the match, play-by-play has evolved into being a method of enhancing the enjoyment of the spectator with loud, hyperbolic stylings, providing excitement as well as helping them identify who is playing and what is going on on the field.
Colour :- This is the guy with the quips, the big, larger than life catchphrases, the funny guy. He can also fit into an analytical role depending on the size of the commentary team. A team of 2 for instance will generally run with a play-by-play and a colour, in which case the colour often provides analysis after a big play, breaks it down and covers any instant replays. In a larger commentary team, the colour is tasked with entertaining the audience with humourous remarks and enthusiasm.
Analyst :- Self-explanatory, this is the guy with the knowledge. He will interject with in-depth analysis of strategy, tactics and recent plays. He will analyse the flow of the match and provide predictions as well as explanations as to why something just happened the way it did. He supports the play-by-play, giving him a break as well as ensuring the play-by-play doesn't have to provide deeper analysis on the fly, which is very difficult when you're thinking and speaking at a high speed, in real-time.
Some commentators cover multiple styles, but most professional sports commentary teams consist of at least 2, usually 3 people with a mixture of these skills and styles.
EvE Online favours analyst commentary over play-by-play. Battles are often slow-paced, not as visually dynamic as other sports, electronic or otherwise. The demographic in question ia also knowledgeable and does not appreciate incorrect calls. They want the nitty-gritty I mean come on, EvE isn't called Spreadsheets in Space for nothing, it's a numbers game, you need people who can understand those numbers. I would imagine the vast majority of viewers already play EvE so the focus needs to be on what appeals to them. Jokes and entertainment are a good idea but accuracy is perhaps the most important thing in my honest opinion.
All sports are different and require different things, I'm not convinced that EvE coverage has reached maturity yet but if it is to, there needs to be a lot of thought applied to how best to present the content and who exactly is going to be watching it.
Lord knows if that'll be any help but hey, just wanted to give you my two cents.
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Posted - 2010.06.09 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kil2
Edited by: Kil2 on 08/06/2010 23:38:02
E-war displays are right on the line. That information is all available to all player participants IF the gang is communicating well and the FCs are good. For us as viewers it would be amazing to see little jam/damp/TD icons next to the ships they are being used against, but, what if a team is communicating badly and they accidentally have put ALL of their matar jammers on the same target, or they have somehow forgotten to damp a critical ship, now our commentary and the stream comes into play for the teams strategically.
this is everything thats wrong with this game, you should be playing versus other players, not be playing versus an ancient user interface which dosn't even fit into the fluff of the game.
as long as players are limited by a terrible ui, the level of play will remain very low in eve compared to other pvp mmos.
regardless kil2 brings up good points, the commentators have to be "bad", otherwise they can be used as intel for the teams fighting. the solution to this would be to delay the stream even further though, its already delayed by a minute or two afaik.
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Posted - 2010.06.09 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: ThrashPower
regardless kil2 brings up good points, the commentators have to be "bad", otherwise they can be used as intel for the teams fighting. the solution to this would be to delay the stream even further though, its already delayed by a minute or two afaik.
This is by far the worst justification for having poor commentary I've ever heard. If it becomes an issue, put more tape-delay on the stream or prerecord everything, don't put bad commentators on just because somebody might be listening and feeding info to the competing teams, that's utterly absurd.
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Senator Zedicus
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Posted - 2010.06.09 15:04:00 -
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You can't pay Commentators. Period. Eve content has been player driven from the start, and the tournaments are no exception. CCP provides the venue and the schwag, a step above what most companies will provide.
Players *want* the opportunity to announce, so give them the opportunity. Don't complain about it when they fumble a ship type or a name. No one is perfect.
I think these commentators are brave as hell for going out there and putting there ass on the line. Without them we wouldn't have anything to complain about.
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Shasz
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Posted - 2010.06.09 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: DasPocketTB
Originally by: ThrashPower
regardless kil2 brings up good points, the commentators have to be "bad", otherwise they can be used as intel for the teams fighting. the solution to this would be to delay the stream even further though, its already delayed by a minute or two afaik.
This is by far the worst justification for having poor commentary I've ever heard. If it becomes an issue, put more tape-delay on the stream or prerecord everything, don't put bad commentators on just because somebody might be listening and feeding info to the competing teams, that's utterly absurd.
Agreed - and good post up above. Delay it more if need be, but please please please give the commentators and/or viewers MOAR intel on what is happening on the field.
Auto racing coverage is a good comparison for the Alliance Tourneys. Maybe take some cues from them...
- There's potential action all over the place at once with potential snooze time while every plays follow the leader for several laps, or a tries to burn down a damnation's armor buffer. This is overcome with LOTS of eyes on the field watching for interesting action rather than just two people having to do their own camera work *and* commentary at once.
- The announcers and viewers have better situational information than the actual drivers do, and crew chiefs *are* able to take advantage of that somewhat with video feeds in their pit areas. It doesn't hurt the race any, and with a slight delay, won't affect the Eve tournaments either.
- Similarly, teams do not know what kind of setup, gearing, engine, guns, fuel consumption, or tanking ability each car/ship has, and some of this mystery is good for the analyst to speculate on and unravel for the viewers as the event progresses.
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The Squirt Locker
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Posted - 2010.06.09 16:08:00 -
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Wow! I have to admit that after someone mentioned TotalBiscuit I looked up his commentaries on YouTube and checked them out. I am used to HD/Husky, but you bring another fun aspect to the commentary that they don't have. I appreciate your insights in e-sports commentary field in this thread.
For a play-by-play commentator to be able to tell us what is going on, they have to be able to see it. Without some kind of markers for what E-War and remote-repair is active, it will be somewhat impossible for them to do that. I can recall several times in this tournament where the commentator would say "is that dampening coming from the *whatever*?" So, a new interface is clearly needed.
The issue of introducing delay into the broadcast should not be an issue. Certainly, consider the effect of not delaying match broadcasts for StarCraft: "I don't know if WhiteRA sees the gold expansion, Husky! Oh no!"
Every E-sport out there has to take measures so that broadcasting the match does not interfere with the game itself. Personally, I would like to have the match delayed by the amount of time it takes to play, so 15min. That way, when you are done the game, you can watch and see why it turned out the way it did.
Hopefully CCP will make some changes in this direction.
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Posted - 2010.06.09 19:16:00 -
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I cant believe totalbiscuit is in the thread! i watch you all the time man, great stuff.
Somehow what i said earlier wound up translating to commentators needing to be bad in EVE. That isnt at all what i was trying to say. We should be good, i just think the route to improvement has to be monitored and certain outcomes have to be avoided. That should never prevent us from improving.
A lot of the time the things you guys want improved from an interface level can be improved from a knowledge level. Most of the time if i say something like "I think thats TD's or damps or something coming from X ship", I should be able to figure it out because im an "expert" based on the rest of the ship's behavior. I felt a bit off in this regard last weekend and usually the reason to do this kind of analysis is why i feel like i belong on the commentary team.
TB had so much good stuff to say there. Thanks for contributing =D
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HAIL DRAGONS
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Posted - 2010.06.09 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Massive Dragon on 09/06/2010 19:56:52
back in the day i could tell you all the turrets in the game by looking at them, i knew all the effects of ewar and sounds of the different guns.
thanks to ccps continued updates where every year they change them... i am now at a stage where i ignore sound completely and pretty much stick to the models of the guns.
add the fact that ccp has seemingly started to care more about the "look" of the game than giving the players the ability to really see ewar on screen, its much harder to spot those these days than back in the old days when you had giant blue circles flying around the ships you where ewaring. and very obvious different effects for things like webs disrptors damps and tps, wheras now everything is so blurred in space in an attempt to look like the latest realistic james bond movie!
another problem is that certain effects completely overlap other effects making it hard to tell if a ship that is neuting is also scramming. (at least if you are trying to watch a field anyway rather than yourself being that guy)
overall a lot has changed since the days of stavros and stoffer which might be making things a bit harder on the commentators(and this is my white knighting done) but this should not be stopping commentators from giving opinions on what the players should be doing and why. which i think thus far this tournament has lacked.
even eddz in tournaments past has managed to urge ships to pull in close to lone targets and orbit at 500! begging the pilot to do as he commanded!
i think people want to hear commentators take a stab at teams who are doing poorly and stop beating around the bush when they see bad setups. the uk vs oi should have really raised eyebrows... muv local lit up when we all saw how many ships where being fielded. instead all we heard was that the loadout did not have the full 10 ships fielded...
obviously commentators will have opinions on if this is going to really hinder chances or not and if it was a bad decision or not, but they arnt really giving them!
ive already said about a billion times that opinionated people make the most interesting commentators... whether they are completely wrong about what they are saying or not! and i dont think the job of a commentator is to be right all the time... but to make the viewing more interesting.
overall i wont say the commentary has been completely uninteresting... but i prefer muv local atm ;p
(white knight reactivated)
arguing about commentators being good/bad (which i admit i have been guilty of at times) at this game is largely pointless because the vast majority of people playing this game (and indeed the vast majority of people complaining) dont know better themselves thus dont need the commentary to be at the highest possible threshold, in fact i would say they complain after someone else tells them there was a mistake because they want to look good or at least better than they actually are not because they understand anything more than the commentators do.
people do however deserve to be entertained!
"OH MY GOD NOOOOOOO DONT SHOOT THE SLIEPNIR WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!! THERES A SCIMI RIGHT ON TOP OF YOU!" - and whether they get massacred if they do what you are saying they should do or stomp the other team, people will appreciate the enthusiasm.
also a few jokes here and there would be pro ;p
edit: holy wall of text... i clearly dont want to do my assignment today =(
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Stovo kor
Firebird Squadron
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Posted - 2010.06.10 08:22:00 -
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Commentators need to latch on to critical points in the match & milk that moment.
Enthusiasm and hyping up the moment would possibly elevate the commentary if done right.
This AT many a times that opportunity has been missed.
I am also not sure why CCP can't provide an additional feed to commentators ( 1 feed similar to spectators )
Maybe 1 commentator in arena with locks and 1 commentator off-arena with the spectator screen
As it stand both commentators are missing key points in the matches.
By providing the information too late they can't leverage on something that happened a few seconds ago for spectators
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Posted - 2010.06.10 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Stovo kor
I am also not sure why CCP can't provide an additional feed to commentators ( 1 feed similar to spectators )
Maybe 1 commentator in arena with locks and 1 commentator off-arena with the spectator screen
For the finals weekend of AT7 the lead commentator had control of a camera ship on grid with the fight and the second commentator had a screen showing the output being fed to the live stream (before the compression stage etc).
Setting up this kind of view during the home commentary weekend is tricky due to the time delays with voice coms, stream compression and the like which would put commentary from the live stream several seconds behind the action.
The tools we had for AT7 were pretty good, though we had issues with not being able to see drones for instance. I assume a new version is in use this time, though apparently it is missing ship names.
At the end of the day the commentators are not professionals and I'm sure they are all doing their best. For the new commentators it is a bit harsh to write them off after just one weekend, I'm sure they will improve with practice and (constructive) feedback.
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Posted - 2010.06.10 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
For the new commentators it is a bit harsh to write them off after just one weekend, I'm sure they will improve with practice and (constructive) feedback.
The commentary always gets better as the tournament goes on. The first day is always the worst - I'd imagine that they're nervous and still getting used to the setup. Then they get flamed on the forums and, being the good Eve players that they are, they probably figure, "Well, screw those guys, I'm going to say whatever the hell I want!" They HTFU and it's smooth sailing from then on out. 
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Master Technique
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Posted - 2010.06.10 19:16:00 -
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The commentator UI is obviously something that can be and should be improved. The ship names thing is kind of a bummer, because even though the viewers can see the stream now, when the commentator says cyclone instead of sleipnir, you second guess your own memory of what ship just blew up.
For some reason I don't see people mentioning this year being the first time viewers get to actually view something for the first two weekends. As a result of this development, I think the focus of the commentary could be shifted quite a lot. We don't need to hear "this armageddon is now at um, uh, err, oh, about 40% armor." Mention it is steadily losing armor or whatever, then move on. We also no longer need death callouts in real time. Don't hang on a sentence to say "and he's down" or "and poof". We saw it too. Work the fact into a more informative sentence, like "and as you see that geddon go down, you have to wonder if this team is still going to have the DPS to break the other teams marauder" or whatever.
Basically, I think the commentary needs to be more analytical and thought provoking and less real time play by play. If you listen to basketball or soccer on the radio, it is super fast play by play and nothing but, because they pass and shoot a lot. If you watch it on TV, its a lot of strategic commentary and relevant stats.
Overall, I still have the sound on. If the commentary is good, its good. If its bad, thats its own kind of entertainment.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 08:20:00 -
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I has a friend with a damnation that tanked a pos for 10 mins...
That is the dumbest comment ever.
That aside.
Positive input to make the AT more fun.
More informative commentary from the commentators, less diagnosis.
Save the diagnosis for inbetween where commentators can deconstructed some highlights from the match (like a football halftime show where they disect plays, circle key players, point out holes in the defence) With good camera angles on what is being talked about. It was sorta empty that the match finished and it went to a blank screen for 10 mins.
This being said, im probs keen for the finals where this is done.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Senator Zedicus
You can't pay Commentators. Period. Eve content has been player driven from the start, and the tournaments are no exception. CCP provides the venue and the schwag, a step above what most companies will provide.
Players *want* the opportunity to announce, so give them the opportunity. Don't complain about it when they fumble a ship type or a name. No one is perfect.
I think these commentators are brave as hell for going out there and putting there ass on the line. Without them we wouldn't have anything to complain about.
No offence to the commentators in question, but merely wanting to do it does not mean you should. I get people asking to co-commentate with me everyday, should I let them just because they're enthusiastic about wanting to do it? No, because you see, the feelings of a couple of wannabe commentators do not over-ride the entertainment of 10k+ spectators. If they want to do commentary, let them do it in their own time, don't put them on air in front of a 5 figure live audience and say 'oh it's ok, they're trying'. It's not ok, EvE could use some genuine regular commentators with the knowledge and experience necessary to broadcast an enjoyable and accurate presentation. Amateur Hour in Space this isn't.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 11:42:00 -
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nice idea for a one time alliance tournament: "Blobwarfare edition"
200 vs 200 of each alliance. More realistic in terms of eve. Nice lag test
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Posted - 2010.06.11 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Master Technique
The commentator UI is obviously something that can be and should be improved. The ship names thing is kind of a bummer, because even though the viewers can see the stream now, when the commentator says cyclone instead of sleipnir, you second guess your own memory of what ship just blew up.
For some reason I don't see people mentioning this year being the first time viewers get to actually view something for the first two weekends. As a result of this development, I think the focus of the commentary could be shifted quite a lot. We don't need to hear "this armageddon is now at um, uh, err, oh, about 40% armor." Mention it is steadily losing armor or whatever, then move on. We also no longer need death callouts in real time. Don't hang on a sentence to say "and he's down" or "and poof". We saw it too. Work the fact into a more informative sentence, like "and as you see that geddon go down, you have to wonder if this team is still going to have the DPS to break the other teams marauder" or whatever.
Basically, I think the commentary needs to be more analytical and thought provoking and less real time play by play. If you listen to basketball or soccer on the radio, it is super fast play by play and nothing but, because they pass and shoot a lot. If you watch it on TV, its a lot of strategic commentary and relevant stats.
Overall, I still have the sound on. If the commentary is good, its good. If its bad, thats its own kind of entertainment.
It would be really cool if the AT commentators cited player stats and history the same way that television sports commentators do.
Some well known and 'famous' Eve personalities are participating in this tournament, there should always be lots to talk about during each match.
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Yura Ghost
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Posted - 2010.06.14 09:18:00 -
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They should record the match in 3D.
Then get professional Camera People to create the shots.
Then get an Editor to put them together.
Then Have the commentators do their homework and then fill in with voice commentary.
The commentators should have access to the 3D version before they comment on the match that way they are prepared.
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Posted - 2010.06.14 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Yura Ghost
They should record the match in 3D.
Then get professional Camera People to create the shots.
Then get an Editor to put them together.
Then Have the commentators do their homework and then fill in with voice commentary.
The commentators should have access to the 3D version before they comment on the match that way they are prepared.
I would rather have live stream and live comments than that.
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Posted - 2010.06.14 10:59:00 -
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I don't think the commentators need to have fitting information or the likes to do a good job. At least I think darius, verone and kil2 have done very well so far and they've done it without inside knowledge.
Only things that've annoyed me so far is when the commentators haven't noticed things blowing up or when they mistake the ships. But over all I think it's been alright, if they really wanted to improve though, they'd just need to make sure there was always one of the good commentators on every match.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.06.14 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Yura Ghost
They should record the match in 3D.
Then get professional Camera People to create the shots.
Then get an Editor to put them together.
Then Have the commentators do their homework and then fill in with voice commentary.
The commentators should have access to the 3D version before they comment on the match that way they are prepared.
I would rather have live stream and live comments than that.
I agree. Commentating after the fact would somewhat diminish the whole thing.
Also it is more difficult once the match is over unless CCP implement the battle recorder (raised by CSM4 ) because you'd only have the camera views and be unable to look at other things happening on the field.
So far the camera work has been pretty good though.
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Orange Faeces
The Squirt Locker
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Posted - 2010.06.14 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
I agree. Commentating after the fact would somewhat diminish the whole thing.
Also it is more difficult once the match is over unless CCP implement the battle recorder (raised by CSM4 ) because you'd only have the camera views and be unable to look at other things happening on the field.
So far the camera work has been pretty good though.
Okay, so lets review: You don't like the idea of delaying the match, but you yourself contributed to the idea of demo recording in EVE?
Sounds like CSM needs to filter for troll-blood.
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Posted - 2010.06.14 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Faeces
Okay, so lets review: You don't like the idea of delaying the match, but you yourself contributed to the idea of demo recording in EVE?
Sounds like CSM needs to filter for troll-blood.
Except that my two statements are not mutually binding.
Demo recorder would be awesome for people wanting to make movies of fleet fights etc where they would be able to have effects etc turned down (as one does in a fleet fight) but afterwards render a very high quality version where it doesn't matter how long each frame takes. It would also allow using different camera angles etc.
Now my opinion about delayed or after the event commentary still stands. The only link is that without some kind of battle recorder replay the commentators would be working from the fixed camera angles in the video stream and they wouldn't be able to give extra details such as the type of drones on the field.
Is that so hard to understand?
TL:DR
Delayed commentary for alliance tourney: bad
Battle recorder for movie making: good
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Posted - 2010.06.15 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ban Doga
Edited by: Ban Doga on 07/06/2010 06:39:37
Originally by: EvilCheez
The video should be edited and should include audio from the TS of the respective teams. Postmortem interviews could be worked in.
The play by play guys have a hard time calling it becuase they have very little info about what is going on. Even when they do have all the names correct they are reduce to reporting on the relative shield stregth of ship x - something we can see ourselves.
They should also watch the tourney stream themselves.
Then they could avoid talking about something that the viewers can identify as wrong immediately.
"That's it, game over" - "No, there's still that Ferox"
"And the Cyclone going into low shields" - "No, its says Sleipnir on my screen"
"And they just lost the Sabre and Logistics ship at the same time" - "Actually they lost that Sabre 30 seconds ago"
*EDIT*
Also extra lulz for "Oh, I accidentally moved out of range and cannot see anything right now"
They don't have the same view we do. They have a view as if they were in the fight. They have to lock targets and everything, so if they miss a ship, it's not because they don't see it where everyone else does. Give them a break. And since they are paying attention to a lot of stuff, and not just seeing the screen we do, it may take a minute to notice something blowing up, or they may say the T1 name instead of the T2. Big freaking deal.
As far as pronunciation goes, just give it a rest. Some people have trouble saying things a certain way. Hell, most of the people ragging on her pronunciation can't even type a coherent sentence. Learn to spell, learn correct grammar, or STFU about how some pronounces a word.
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Posted - 2010.06.15 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rhoulaki
Make sure the female announcer doesn't speak again. Ever. She has no idea what she's talking about and her voice is terrible.
This. Along with Darius. Shoo.
And bring back Stavros and Ifni, aka "The Legends That Knew What They Were Saying".
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Orange Faeces
The Squirt Locker
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Posted - 2010.06.15 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Orange Faeces on 15/06/2010 07:55:58
Originally by: TeaDaze
TL:DR
Delayed commentary for alliance tourney: bad
Battle recorder for movie making: good
If you'd read the posts from experienced commentators earlier in this thread you'd understand why delay is probably the only way to really improve the commentating. The TL;DR for you is simple: EVE combat involves hidden states that no commentator can really see. An interface that shows those states, either to the general audience or just to the commentators, is needed. Unfortunately, that would mean that players could listen to the stream for information about how the match was going, so a delay is needed.
So, being entitled to an opinion doesn't mean you make any sense.
oF
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Omu Negru
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.15 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Omu Negru on 15/06/2010 12:12:47
Hey you frustrated impotents, the girl is fine! Go and troll somewhere else!
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.06.15 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Faeces
If you'd read the posts from experienced commentators earlier in this thread you'd understand why delay is probably the only way to really improve the commentating.
If you'd read the comments I was replying to you would have seen the suggestion from somebody about the match being recorded in "3D" with professional cameramen and directors to setup the shots afterwards. They then suggested giving the commentators the "3D" version of the fight before they did the commentary.
Thus in this context the delay would be till well after the match was actually finished. As by that point the commentators would know the result, yes they would likely be able to do a better job of explaining what was going on. But it would also remove the "live" aspect which as I stated would diminish the whole thing. Of course I am a bit biased having been a commentator for AT7 and seeing the reaction around the studio when a match is exciting. Trying to replicate that afterwards wouldn't work.
For some reason you felt the need to attack me for supporting a CSM proposal on the battle recorder technology which would actually make recording the 3D fight information possible but ignored the context of the delay being discussed
You are suggesting a delay for totally different reasons.
Originally by: Orange Faeces
EVE combat involves hidden states that no commentator can really see. An interface that shows those states, either to the general audience or just to the commentators, is needed.
If such a tool existed then yes, it would require a few minutes stream delay to avoid giving too much Intel to the teams fighting. However this was not what was being talked about originally by me or the post I was replying to.
I agree that this type of information would be exceptionally useful and would improve things a great deal 
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Orange Faeces
The Squirt Locker
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Posted - 2010.06.21 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
Originally by: Orange Faeces
EVE combat involves hidden states that no commentator can really see. An interface that shows those states, either to the general audience or just to the commentators, is needed.
If such a tool existed then yes, it would require a few minutes stream delay to avoid giving too much Intel to the teams fighting. However this was not what was being talked about originally by me or the post I was replying to.
I agree that this type of information would be exceptionally useful and would improve things a great deal
I'm glad to hear you onboard for suggesting these changes at the next CSM. Thank you for listening, Tea.
oF
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