Originally by: Magnus Nordir

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But TQ isn't even open yet

wtf am I reading

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Originally by: Steve Celeste

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CCP have kept the NPC orders for pos fuel intact.

PI production is completely UNprofitable.

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Originally by: Bushgallam

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Q for those in:
How about the 3 P1's that used te be NPC supplied (water, oxygen and silicate iirc) ?
Are those still seeded?

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Originally by: Steve Celeste

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Originally by: Bushgallam

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Q for those in:
How about the 3 P1's that used te be NPC supplied (water, oxygen and silicate iirc) ?
Are those still seeded?

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Yes.

It's a joke.

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Originally by: Bushgallam

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Q for those in:
How about the 3 P1's that used te be NPC supplied (water, oxygen and silicate iirc) ?
Are those still seeded?

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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

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Assuming it will probably take a week or two for PI to get up and running in scale, removing all NPC orders from the get go would mean loads of POS starving to death.

I have no doubt that the NPC orders will be switched off sooner rather than later.

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Originally by: TheBaptist

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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

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Assuming it will probably take a week or two for PI to get up and running in scale, removing all NPC orders from the get go would mean loads of POS starving to death.

I have no doubt that the NPC orders will be switched off sooner rather than later.

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This. The OP obviously has no clue.

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Originally by: Qoi

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No sell orders were removed, just command centers added. But iirc it was said that they will stay until PI is in "full swing", so nothing new here.

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Originally by: Narfas Deteis

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Originally by: Qoi

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No sell orders were removed, just command centers added. But iirc it was said that they will stay until PI is in "full swing", so nothing new here.

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And they'll fix rockets. And AFs. And release Ambulation.

Anyway, what was idea behind it?
"Let's make PI unprofitable and then wait for... erm... full swing"?

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: Vilgan Mazran

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leaving pos fuels up isn't necessarily a bad idea. Leaving up every single NPC sold good such that 80% of everything you can make with PI is worthless was not. Please consider removing all the other items asap, as it really kills the point of PI.

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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

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Assuming it will probably take a week or two for PI to get up and running in scale, removing all NPC orders from the get go would mean loads of POS starving to death.

I have no doubt that the NPC orders will be switched off sooner rather than later.

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Originally by: pmchem

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Pretty happy I didn't bother training any of these skills, the tears over PI are going to be epic

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Originally by: Illwill Bill

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My dear fellow players,

STOP WHINING FFS!

Just because the items are seeded on the market that doesn't mean you can't sell things cheaper. There will be a transitional period, where NPC seeding is neccesary to fill the current demand.

PI is not a money printing machine; it's designed to remove the dependency on NPC orders. You cannot expect CCP to remove the NPC orders until enough goods have been produced. Did you guys seriously expect all NPC orders to disappear over DT, so that all POS owners would have to fight for the scarce resources that will be put on the market today? Did really you expect to make loads of internetspaceshippixelmoney on ripping off everyone desperately trying to keep their operations running?

Also, low-sec is fine.

That will be all.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Originally by: Narfas Deteis

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Anyway, what was idea behind it?
"Let's make PI unprofitable and then wait for... erm... full swing"?

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Because until PI is in full swing there's absolutely no way it could keep up with demand, so orders can't be removed right away? But by all means, keep rabbling like some kind of internet space king.

But I'm sure making all my NPC pos fuels go from a few thousand ISK to a few million ISK would be a great idea. I just wish I thought of it.

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Originally by: Illwill Bill

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My dear fellow players,

Did you guys seriously expect all NPC orders to disappear over DT, so that all POS owners would have to fight for the scarce resources that will be put on the market today? Did really you expect to make loads of internetspaceshippixelmoney on ripping off everyone desperately trying to keep their operations running?

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Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia

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Actually, yes, I'm betting a lot of the whiners were expecting just this. They stockpiled POS goods without realizing the schedule that CCP planned and told us about. Now they have to whine because they are losing money.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia

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Actually, yes, I'm betting a lot of the whiners were expecting just this. They stockpiled POS goods without realizing the schedule that CCP planned and told us about. Now they have to whine because they are losing money.

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Really, I should be the one who's whining. I'm laughing so much it hurts at the thought of people not taking care to actually find out what CCP have said about the roll-out before doing this kind of thing.

Ow. My sidesà

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Originally by: Illwill Bill

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My dear fellow players,

STOP WHINING FFS!

Just because the items are seeded on the market that doesn't mean you can't sell things cheaper. There will be a transitional period, where NPC seeding is neccesary to fill the current demand.

PI is not a money printing machine; it's designed to remove the dependency on NPC orders. You cannot expect CCP to remove the NPC orders until enough goods have been produced. Did you guys seriously expect all NPC orders to disappear over DT, so that all POS owners would have to fight for the scarce resources that will be put on the market today? Did really you expect to make loads of internetspaceshippixelmoney on ripping off everyone desperately trying to keep their operations running?

Also, low-sec is fine.

That will be all.

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Originally by: Camios

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Edited by: Camios on 08/06/2010 13:51:10
Lol at the whiners, as always.

NPC sell orders act just as a price ceiling.

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Originally by: SamGromoff

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Originally by: Camios

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Edited by: Camios on 08/06/2010 13:51:10
Lol at the whiners, as always.

NPC sell orders act just as a price ceiling.

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Be sure to calculate how many isk you can make with just about any PI item if listing it under the NPC ceiling (hint: none)

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Originally by: Magnus Nordir

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The buy orders are obviously in place to maintain a price ceiling and prevent the PI cartel from charging a gazzilion isk for a week's worth of POS fuel. Now quit whining and make me cheap POS fuel!

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Originally by: Grozen

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there are huge amount of stockpiles.Look my first post...

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Originally by: Menkaure

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Originally by: Grozen

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there are huge amount of stockpiles.Look my first post...

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Why do I get the feeling you mean "I have a huge amount of stockpile and wanted to cash in on the fuel price spike, before PI industry got up and running. But can't cus CCP has more sense than that. Whine."

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Originally by: PotatoOverdose

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Obvious point: If PI is not profitable in the first place (i.e. npc sellers still exist), there is no motivation for people to invest there time into PI in the first place. If people don't invest there time into PI, PI will never enter 'full swing'. If PI never enters 'full swing', npc sell orders will never be removed. If npc sellers still exist, PI is not profitable in the first place. Catch-22.

Only way to make this work is to kill npc sell orders, creating a demand for PI, creating profit and a reason for people to invest in PI, causing PI to enter 'full swing'.

You can't honestly expect the market to go into full production of something for which there is no demand. I thought CCP hired an economist?

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Originally by: Grozen

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However CCP will remove the orders in less then 2weeks

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Originally by: mechtech

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Just FYI CCP, whiney threads like this wouldn't exist if you kept the player base fully informed. Especially in matters that have to do with the market and our hard earned iskies ;)

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Of course the NPC orders are still there. What made anyone think they would not be for a few weeks at least?

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Originally by: Circumstantial Evidence

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After a few sales to the same NPC, what they are willing to pay goes down. All players studying this have the same chance and opportunity.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Of course the NPC orders are still there. What made anyone think they would not be for a few weeks at least?

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Originally by: mechtech

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Of course the NPC orders are still there. What made anyone think they would not be for a few weeks at least?

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Oh, just CCPs stickied post stating they would be removed June 8th

As of now there is no clear answer from CCP stating when or how the orders will be pulled, that's what most of us are waiting on.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Really, did anyone seriously expect CCP to pull a market before its even been established? It would have been mad to do that.

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Originally by: Weaselior

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Edited by: Weaselior on 08/06/2010 18:20:44

Originally by: Zartrader

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Really, did anyone seriously expect CCP to pull a market before its even been established? It would have been mad to do that.

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The CCP handling of NPC seeds interferes, dramatically, with the creation of a market and blacks out major components of the PI market as unprofitable no matter what.

People who are saying "well of course they left it in" simply don't understand (like CCP) the way these seeds are interacting with the PI market.

I'll give you a clue: go look at silicon, silicate glass, their spots on the PI tree, and their NPC seed price.

Then, justify why a PI market will emerge to produce silicate glass.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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What some of you seem happy to think is acceptable is the position where some log on with NO fuel and NO way of getting fuel for some time unless they pay extortionate prices. Why would CCP do that?

Without NPC sell orders the market is highly inelastic right now so for CCP to ignore that would be incompetent.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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It's temporary to allow PI to settle, it's not rocket science.

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Originally by: Pennwisedom

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I'd like to point out that POS Fuel is less important of an issue than anything used in T2 construction.

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Originally by: pmchem

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Edited by: pmchem on 08/06/2010 18:55:45

Originally by: Zartrader

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What some of you seem happy to think is acceptable is the position where some log on with NO fuel and NO way of getting fuel for some time unless they pay extortionate prices. Why would CCP do that?

Without NPC sell orders the market is highly inelastic right now so for CCP to ignore that would be incompetent.

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You are terrible, stop posting. First of all, every single buy order could be removed and every single POS fuel NPC sell order or other critical item rebalanced to different prices (more in line with sensible PI prices) and all other NPC sell orders removed TODAY, and the destruction of the market for PI would be mitigated.

Second, you don't know the difference between an elastic and inelastic market so stop using economic terms like you remember your intro class from college. An inelastic market has extremely slow response time to changes. I think it is clear that if CCP had removed NPC orders today, the prices for many items would change fairly rapidly. And frankly, that would be a good thing for PI.

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Originally by: Marchocias

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+ = +

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Originally by: Zeba

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ITT: players who were looking to make a killing by price gouging on stocked up pos fuels from before the expansion but got poked in the eye by ccp instead forgot to check what CCP had said would happened and accidentally poked themselves in the eye.

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Originally by: Zeba

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ITT: players who were looking to make a killing by price gouging on stocked up pos fuels from before the expansion but got poked in the eye by ccp instead.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Edited by: Zartrader on 08/06/2010 18:48:24



People here are talking as if the orders are permanent, they are not. Any market effect now is irrelevant while player stocks build from PI. Once those stocks are at acceptable levels then CCP can release them by removing NPC sell orders and allowing the market to find is own price.

What some of you seem happy to think is acceptable is the position where some log on with NO fuel and NO way of getting fuel for some time unless they pay extortionate prices. Why would CCP do that?

Without NPC sell orders the market is highly inelastic right now so for CCP to ignore that would be incompetent.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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My description of inelastic is correct. If you removed NPC sell orders there would be a lot of demand with limited supply until players have started to produce from PI in sufficient quantities to meet that demand. There is a slow response time, that's what I said.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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[ also see no reason at all why sell orders should have their price adjusted either, what price would that be then? There is no market to establish price yet so any price setting would be arbitrary.

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Originally by: Una Achura

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Edited by: Zartrader on 08/06/2010 18:48:24



People here are talking as if the orders are permanent, they are not. Any market effect now is irrelevant while player stocks build from PI. Once those stocks are at acceptable levels then CCP can release them by removing NPC sell orders and allowing the market to find is own price.

What some of you seem happy to think is acceptable is the position where some log on with NO fuel and NO way of getting fuel for some time unless they pay extortionate prices. Why would CCP do that?

Without NPC sell orders the market is highly inelastic right now so for CCP to ignore that would be incompetent.

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OK mister not-a-rocket-scientist.... Why oh why should anyone build up stockpiles of anything (other than from NPC orders) when the markets are FUBARED?
Do you see anyone building up stockpiles of robotics, when you can buy the parts from NPC SELL ORDERS and sell the result to NPC BUY ORDERS for 100% profit?

Why would anyone build a single extractor? The P1-products have been valued by CCP (because of the NPC-sell order prices of higher tier products) to less than 1 isk/unit.

Anyone producing silicate glass planetside should be forced to eat said glass, as that results in a HUGE loss with current NPC-prices.

Etc. etc.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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No one is saying NPC orders are staying, they are staying just as long as needed to ensure the demand meets supply. That's all there is to it. There is a learning and time curve to PI which is why this is needed.

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Originally by: Zeba

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ITT: players who were looking to make a killing by price gouging on stocked up pos fuels from before the expansion but got poked in the eye by ccp instead.

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Originally by: Weaselior

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Edited by: Weaselior on 08/06/2010 19:41:34

Originally by: Zartrader

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[ also see no reason at all why sell orders should have their price adjusted either, what price would that be then? There is no market to establish price yet so any price setting would be arbitrary.

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because a product should not be worth less than its component parts

making silicate glass is a significant loss compared to selling the silicon to buy orders (and not by a small amount you lose a ****load of isk)

this is why you're dumb you don't actually know anything: things like this because the seed prices have no relation to where they are on the chain destroy the chain because it's just as common for expensive stuff to turn into cheap stuff as the other way around

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Your whole premise is based on a very short term view of the market or assuming NPC sell orders are staying for good.

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Originally by: Terminal Insanity

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if you think ccp is just going to switch of npc and switch to player-oly, you're ******ed. if they did that, all the smart people would be whining. CCP is giving it some transition time. This is why you still see POS towers for sale, because they cant expect the players to fill the void the NPCs will leave only an hour into PI.

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Originally by: pmchem

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Edited by: pmchem on 08/06/2010 19:40:43

Originally by: Zartrader

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My description of inelastic is correct. If you removed NPC sell orders there would be a lot of demand with limited supply until players have started to produce from PI in sufficient quantities to meet that demand. There is a slow response time, that's what I said.

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No. Here, have a wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_supply

Since we are talking about NPC sell orders (a supply component), we use price elasticity of supply. As of today, the prices for various POS fuels is essentially unchanged since they are dominated by NPC sell orders. The supply is also almost unchanged since it is dominated by the infinite sell orders. A system which is essentially unitary elastic or inelastic. ie, stagnant.

If NPC sell orders were removed, it would be an elastic system. Prices would change rapidly, and the supply would be from stockpiles and PI production (not NPC sells). The change in prices would actually encourage people to use PI to produce these things, generating a large response in supply. An elastic result.

edit: I mean we're looking at markets where one has infinite sells and the other has player production sells. Which one has a larger response in supply when prices change? This is not hard.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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No one is saying NPC orders are staying, they are staying just as long as needed to ensure the demand meets supply. That's all there is to it. There is a learning and time curve to PI which is why this is needed.

They only make a loss if they sell now which they would not. They will stock it. Once stocks are high enough or production is at a certain level CCP can then open the market. Until then they can't.

It's a transitional period which is required to ensure a reasonable chance at a stable market. To ignore this period would have screwed over a lot of players.

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Originally by: Una Achura

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Originally by: Zartrader

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No one is saying NPC orders are staying, they are staying just as long as needed to ensure the demand meets supply. That's all there is to it. There is a learning and time curve to PI which is why this is needed.

They only make a loss if they sell now which they would not. They will stock it. Once stocks are high enough or production is at a certain level CCP can then open the market. Until then they can't.

It's a transitional period which is required to ensure a reasonable chance at a stable market. To ignore this period would have screwed over a lot of players.

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But why would I stock? I'm not stocking anything, I'm selling the good stuff to NPC buy orders and not making anything else...
So when the buy orders disappear I won't have any stock... Apart from the intermediaries like silicate glass that I bought off NPC sell orders because they are valued plain wrong and will _have_ to increase in price eventually. I'm not in a hurry, I'm still holding all my dominion tech investment, I can hold onto this investment for another 6 months. I expected as much when I bought it, this isn't inconveniencing me in the slightest. The poor sod who's expecting an actual market for water though, is getting it in the teeth...

Stockpiles of the POS-fuels you worry so about are sufficient already. Take a look at the market graphs, there at the very least 2 weeks of extra supply there, probably more.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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I'm not worried at all. CCP are doing it right for once. They are waiting for players to catch up, it's as simple as that.

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Originally by: pmchem

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Originally by: Zartrader

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I'm not worried at all. CCP are doing it right for once. They are waiting for players to catch up, it's as simple as that.

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You must think most players are as slow as you.

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Originally by: Weaselior

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Originally by: pmchem

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Originally by: Zartrader

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I'm not worried at all. CCP are doing it right for once. They are waiting for players to catch up, it's as simple as that.

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You must think most players are as slow as you.

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boosh

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Originally by: Weaselior

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Originally by: pmchem

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Originally by: Zartrader

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I'm not worried at all. CCP are doing it right for once. They are waiting for players to catch up, it's as simple as that.

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You must think most players are as slow as you.

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boosh

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I'm troll proof, don't bother.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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I'm not worried at all. CCP are doing it right for once. They are waiting for players to catch up, it's as simple as that.

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Originally by: Terminal Insanity

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Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 08/06/2010 20:29:13
damn you ccp, for giving me the ability to make billions from nothing! Its so stupid that they let me get rich! And i mean damn, if they were smart they would have removed all the npc orders and let all the POS's dry up and offline. Its completely unfair that they gave me the opportunity to make some easy money!

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Originally by: SamGromoff

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Edited by: SamGromoff on 08/06/2010 20:22:23

Originally by: Zartrader

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I'm not worried at all. CCP are doing it right for once. They are waiting for players to catch up, it's as simple as that.

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My god, you're an idiot.

edit so this has some content: Catch up to what? Why would a player "catch up" by making more silicate glass if it loses that player money?

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Originally by: Zartrader

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It is not losing him money unless he sells to current orders which of course he won't. He will manufacture in anticipation of future prices after the sell orders are removed.

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Originally by: Weaselior

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Originally by: Zartrader

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It is not losing him money unless he sells to current orders which of course he won't. He will manufacture in anticipation of future prices after the sell orders are removed.

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so your entire premise is relying on someone having 40 silicon, and turning it into 6 silicate glass instead of selling the 40 silicon to buy orders and buying 50 silicate glass

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Originally by: Weaselior

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Originally by: Zartrader

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It is not losing him money unless he sells to current orders which of course he won't. He will manufacture in anticipation of future prices after the sell orders are removed.

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so your entire premise is relying on someone having 40 silicon, and turning it into 6 silicate glass instead of selling the 40 silicon to buy orders and buying 50 silicate glass

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Originally by: Weaselior

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people will set up large manufacturing setups to make things for much more money than they would spend just selling the raws and buying the product they want and ccp is brilliant to rely on this - zartrader

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Originally by: Weaselior

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people will set up large manufacturing setups to make things for much more money than they would spend just selling the raws and buying the product they want and ccp is brilliant to rely on this - zartrader

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Originally by: Terminal Insanity

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to further point out the stupidity of the whole 'ccp ruined pi' group, Guidance systems have been selling far above normal for the past week. Having these still available the day of PI release MAKES ALMOST NO DIFFERENCE.

The only difference it does make, is now that the ball has dropped all the people who didn't know about this, are finally chiming in.

Anyone who used sisi, has been stocking up on this **** for well over a week.

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Originally by: Pennwisedom

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Originally by: Weaselior

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people will set up large manufacturing setups to make things for much more money than they would spend just selling the raws and buying the product they want and ccp is brilliant to rely on this - zartrader

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So then give us the oh so obvious solution that won't just screw up another market.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Edited by: Zartrader on 08/06/2010 20:39:51

Originally by: SamGromoff

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Edited by: SamGromoff on 08/06/2010 20:22:23

Originally by: Zartrader

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I'm not worried at all. CCP are doing it right for once. They are waiting for players to catch up, it's as simple as that.

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My god, you're an idiot.

edit so this has some content: Catch up to what? Why would a player "catch up" by making more silicate glass if it loses that player money?

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It is not losing him money unless he sells to current orders which of course he won't. He will manufacture in anticipation of future prices after the sell orders are removed.

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Originally by: SamGromoff

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Edited by: Zartrader on 08/06/2010 20:39:51

Originally by: SamGromoff

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Edited by: SamGromoff on 08/06/2010 20:22:23

Originally by: Zartrader

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I'm not worried at all. CCP are doing it right for once. They are waiting for players to catch up, it's as simple as that.

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My god, you're an idiot.

edit so this has some content: Catch up to what? Why would a player "catch up" by making more silicate glass if it loses that player money?

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It is not losing him money unless he sells to current orders which of course he won't. He will manufacture in anticipation of future prices after the sell orders are removed.

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You have some isk that you would like to turn into silicate glass.

Your options are:

1)set up a bunch of PI equipment to turn 40 silicon into 6 silicate glass

2)buy 50 silicate glass for the same price

But wait! What if you want to hoard that glass and sell to other players when the NPC sell orders are removed?

Your options are:

1)make some silicate glass

2)make silicon, sell it, then buy 10x as much glass to hoard

think about this one really carefully and get back to me (PS: you are an idiot)

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Originally by: SamGromoff

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Originally by: Zartrader

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Edited by: Zartrader on 08/06/2010 20:39:51

Originally by: SamGromoff

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Edited by: SamGromoff on 08/06/2010 20:22:23

Originally by: Zartrader

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I'm not worried at all. CCP are doing it right for once. They are waiting for players to catch up, it's as simple as that.

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My god, you're an idiot.

edit so this has some content: Catch up to what? Why would a player "catch up" by making more silicate glass if it loses that player money?

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It is not losing him money unless he sells to current orders which of course he won't. He will manufacture in anticipation of future prices after the sell orders are removed.

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You have some isk that you would like to turn into silicate glass.

Your options are:

1)set up a bunch of PI equipment to turn 40 silicon into 6 silicate glass

2)buy 50 silicate glass for the same price

But wait! What if you want to hoard that glass and sell to other players when the NPC sell orders are removed?

Your options are:

1)make some silicate glass

2)make silicon, sell it, then buy 10x as much glass to hoard

think about this one really carefully and get back to me (PS: you are an idiot)

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Originally by: Weaselior

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leave anything 'essential' seeded on the market but adjust the price to be a percentage (maybe 10% or so) above where it will likely end up, then pull the seeds when the player supply comes close to meeting demand

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Originally by: Zartrader

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CCP did this 'gold rush' thing to encourage players to try it, not to say anyone who has extensive experience from the test server can make an easy killing.

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Originally by: pmchem

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Originally by: Zartrader

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CCP did this 'gold rush' thing to encourage players to try it, not to say anyone who has extensive experience from the test server can make an easy killing.

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There is literally no gold rush unless you're producing robotics in a loop (buying ingredients from npc sell orders, selling robotics to buy orders) or doing ridiculous **** like producing silicates and then selling them to npc orders to buy silicate glass from npc sell orders instead of using it to produce more silicate glass. There are a few more examples but I won't bother.

Everything you can do that's useful in PI right now is stupidly far from the original design doc, I'm sure.

Meanwhile the inability to differentiate between npc sell order acquired materials and PI produced materials is going to have sick long-term effects which you (and ccp) don't seem to comprehend but whatever, it's pretty much too late for them to even contain the damage now.

CCP has pulled a BP and the oil slick is going to go all over their shiny new product, Tyrannis. Large swaths of PI are useless.

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Originally by: Zartrader

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In overall game terms the profit motive is irrelevant at this stage of PI

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Originally by: pmchem

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the inability to differentiate between npc sell order acquired materials and PI produced materials

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Originally by: Circumstantial Evidence

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Meanwhile, early adopters can be paid to play with PI by making some isk

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Originally by: Ialjtat

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Originally by: Circumstantial Evidence

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Meanwhile, early adopters can be paid to play with PI by making some isk

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"Some isk" is less than badger mining with a larger investment.
"early adopters" that do not abuse CCPs screw ups are not making any isk here - They're losing it as they could be mining in a badger instead of plunking down Extractors.

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Originally by: mental maverick

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Originally by: Ialjtat

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Originally by: Circumstantial Evidence

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Meanwhile, early adopters can be paid to play with PI by making some isk

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"Some isk" is less than badger mining with a larger investment.
"early adopters" that do not abuse CCPs screw ups are not making any isk here - They're losing it as they could be mining in a badger instead of plunking down Extractors.

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Have no fear, PI will be saved yet. In a few days all PI materials bought from NPC orders will go magicaly "broken"

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Originally by: Una Achura

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Originally by: mental maverick

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Originally by: Ialjtat

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Originally by: Circumstantial Evidence

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Meanwhile, early adopters can be paid to play with PI by making some isk

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"Some isk" is less than badger mining with a larger investment.
"early adopters" that do not abuse CCPs screw ups are not making any isk here - They're losing it as they could be mining in a badger instead of plunking down Extractors.

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Have no fear, PI will be saved yet. In a few days all PI materials bought from NPC orders will go magicaly "broken"

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Tbh I almost think that would be for the best now. 100 million units of dirt cheap guidance systems. They are produced in lots of three per factory-hour, so 33 million factory-hours of supply. The real demand for guidance systems is probably quite low, they are only used in a single P4, so the NPC-supply will last a long time. A really long time. Assuming noone else buys any more of the damn things untill the NPC-orders disappear...

Anybody up for calculating the demand for recursive computing modules? So we can estimate how long the stockpile of guidance systems will last?

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Originally by: mental maverick

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Originally by: Ialjtat

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Originally by: Circumstantial Evidence

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Meanwhile, early adopters can be paid to play with PI by making some isk

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"Some isk" is less than badger mining with a larger investment.
"early adopters" that do not abuse CCPs screw ups are not making any isk here - They're losing it as they could be mining in a badger instead of plunking down Extractors.

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Have no fear, PI will be saved yet. In a few days all PI materials bought from NPC orders will go magicaly "broken"

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Originally by: Grozen

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they said in 2weeks max.

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Originally by: Musical Fist

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Originally by: Grozen

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they said in 2weeks max.

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Link please :)

What would this include?
What was the reason anyway?

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Originally by: Narfas Deteis

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Originally by: Musical Fist

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Originally by: Grozen

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they said in 2weeks max.

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Link please :)

What would this include?
What was the reason anyway?

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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1332998&page=1#6

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