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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.15 03:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Drake Draconis
However... to me it is exploitative to be able to extend that timer without restraint by shooting wrecks. I would hardly consider that an act of aggression as its just a pile of trash.
One could similarly argue that you shouldn't get a timer just because someone shot you. That's equally as wrong.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Xenogenesis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 00:57:00 -
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*bump*
Stop the invisible aggression timer madness...
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:58:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Drake Draconis
However... to me it is exploitative to be able to extend that timer without restraint by shooting wrecks. I would hardly consider that an act of aggression as its just a pile of trash.
One could similarly argue that you shouldn't get a timer just because someone shot you. That's equally as wrong.
-Liang
one could argue that ****** was right, does not mean that is the case.
If someone shoots my property (i assume you whant to count the wrecks as my property) i should get the right to kill him for longer, not another way round.
You don't get a right to kill someone by shooting his garbage, that just doesn't make any sense. I see no reason why eve shoudn't make sense. I, however, support this motion regardless of how it is fixed. No matter how small a mistake in Ui is, it shall be fixed.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:38:00 -
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the aggression timer is used for more than determining who has rights to shoot someone without concord intervention or sec hits its also used to determine who has been involved with pvp recently
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Taudia
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kismo
the aggression timer is used for more than determining who has rights to shoot someone without concord intervention or sec hits its also used to determine who has been involved with pvp recently
That doesn't change the fact that extending it without any sign of it is idiotic. That's even if there was a non-ridicules way of "extending" it, other than the one described in the first few posts.
Supported.
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:43:00 -
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Supported. Clearly should be an considered an exploit until timer is fixed.
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BFish
Bushwhackers
Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:08:00 -
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Invisible aggression timer needs fixing for sure. I have lost many a ship to this dodgy mechanic.
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Laina Delapore
Red Sun Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:44:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev
Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 16/06/2010 18:57:27
Originally by: Liang Nuren
One could similarly argue that you shouldn't get a timer just because someone shot you. That's equally as wrong.
-Liang
If someone shoots my property (i assume you want to count the wrecks as my property) i should get the right to kill him for longer, not another way round.
You don't get a right to kill someone by shooting his garbage, that just doesn't make any sense.
^ this.
Person A commits act of theft, gaining aggression flag.
Person B takes advantage of said flag to explode A gaining an equal aggression flag to A.
A gets to extend the time of B's flag by shooting objects floating in space that belong to B.
Wait...wut?
No one here is arguing that people shouldn't gain aggression timers for shooting other players. So, the argument that you could argue this has no relevance.
What we are discussing is that:
1. The displayed aggression timer must be accurate.
2. That either party being able to extend the other's counter by means other than being fired upon directly by them makes no sense whatsoever and should be changed.
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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Fille Balle on 17/06/2010 20:24:01
Well now, I've not read the entire thread, but being able to extend the timer in such a manner seems like an exploit to me. The fact that there is no visible indication of the timer being extended only makes it worse.
I say, remove this exploit, and if not, then at least make it so that the extended timer is visible.
Edit: spelling
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Tharill daSai
Humanum Erectum
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:38:00 -
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Agree on any aggression timer always should be clearly visible that you are eligible for attack
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev
Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 14/06/2010 20:30:11
IF there is a piece of Ui in eve, it needs to work. Unfortunately frequently that is not the case. This bull**** needs to be fixed. I personally would prefer #3, because it makes no sence how does someone get an extended right to fire at me by destroying my property. Another case of something being missed out by CCP. Fix this. Jesus crist. And if this really existed for 3 years, that makes me sad.
You know, how about we make an invulnerability timer for nullsec that does not do anything, huh?
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Maybe next time you won't engage somebody with lethal force just because they took an item from you. You started the fight. Pay the price.
Because not a single thread can go about without a personal judgment on the op.  The only advice i can give is next time more lethal force needs to be applied so that ninja looses both ships.
Eve forums is a place where brave man battled against trolls like Gavjack Bunk and /b/ tards.
Good job finding another mishap that costed people lives.
Pick on somebody your own size. At least then you would stand a chance.
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paritybit
Moira.
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.06.18 22:16:00 -
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Completely agree that at a minimum the aggression timer should be visible and updated. I'd be satisfied with only this change.
But I also think it's extremely odd that the time period where I am allowed to shoot you is made longer by me shooting your stuff.
Any null-sec application of this (shooting ratter's wrecks to increase the aggression timer) is also wacky and shouldn't be used as a reason to keep this funky mechanic.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:29:00 -
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There is a larger issue that many stupid countdowns are not visible at all. They should fix ALL timers and make them visible. It is seriously ******ed that timers continue to be broken after many years.
Actually there should be a way to figure out a way to live without dumb timers.
Also, remove hi sec.
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Eurulf Ofinur
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:04:00 -
[44]
Supported. I don't think your aggression timer being extended from someone shooting your wrecks makes sense, but at the bare minimum, it shouldn't be possible to use this to extend your timer without you knowing about it.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:49:00 -
[45]
Didn't know about this. The timer extension is all well and good, but when the extension is invisible...? Supported.
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Izo Alabaster
Therapy.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 22:04:00 -
[46]
I thought this was deemed an exploit years ago and fixed. I'm disappointed to see that that is not the case. CCP, please fix the aggression counter to at least display the correct time left on the aggression. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Xenogenesis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 08:00:00 -
[47]
lee bump-age... Musn't let this sit idly... lets get CSM support on this please.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2010.06.21 09:52:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Drake Draconis
lee bump-age... Musn't let this sit idly... lets get CSM support on this please.
Originally by: The Rules
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Stop bumping.
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xChevalierx
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Posted - 2010.06.21 11:36:00 -
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This makes perfect sense to me.
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.06.21 18:07:00 -
[50]
It does sound dodgy.
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AterraX
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Posted - 2010.06.21 19:40:00 -
[51]
Invisible aggro timer needs to go.
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Saelie
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Posted - 2010.06.22 01:07:00 -
[52]
The aggro system in this game is more arcane and convoluted than American tax law. I support any attempt to fix it or at least make it more visible who has aggro to who.
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