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Lara IceTeardrop smackin localz	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:09:00 - [1] Hi, pls vote for that serious idea, maybe CCP will follow and add Faction Bc for the next addon. Why Faction Battlecruiser nonexistent ingame ? For exaple at least tier 1 should be add. Dark Blood Prophecy Dread Guristas Ferox Shadow Serpentis Brutix Angel Cartel Cyclone This Ships also are flown by NPC's in Missions or something but its not Avalibill to Fly So if you thing its a good idea please Post [Vote For] or [Vote against]. in your comments. thanks for your time. greetings
eXeler0n Caldari Free Space Pioneers	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:16:00 - [2] [Vote For]
Kim Zhi	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:18:00 - [3] Edited by: Kim Zhi on 12/06/2010 13:18:27 I wanna Shadow serpentis Hyperion
The Tzar T-Wrecks	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:19:00 - [4] Pirate 1 > Faction Prohecy on scan! Pirate 2 > Probably bait... FC > Clearly but I can't resist; jump and warp to [Pirate 1] Pirate 2 > Um local spike... FC > Obvious bait was just too damn tasty, sorry guys. Maybe make the faction BC's to be semi-logistical i.e give them a bonus to medium racial remote tank modules. This way they wouldn't just replace the cruisers. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels.StevieSG
3200plus	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:27:00 - [5] i think faction BC's are a nice idea, but i don't think they would have to be pirate faction... just more slots and base hp, hardpoints, maybe a faction bonus too like a tracking one on a RF cane... i vote for it :p
Sphit Ker	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:38:00 - [6] I would like an Imperial True Shadow Serpentis Dark Federation Dread Fleet Issue Prophecy please. ...OK, I get it... I'm not funny The following statement is not my signature. The preceding statement is my signature.
manel mac Caldari Piratas Leprosos Guineanos CorsarioS.	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:39:00 - [7] I agree to BC faccion,
Dark Stress	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:42:00 - [8] I vote for Dread Guristas Ferox. Faction BC? YES!!!!
Hampler65 Destructive Influence	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:42:00 - [9] would be cool so [Vote For]
ITTigerClawIK Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:44:00 - [10] Impirial Navy Harbinger PLEASE!!!!!! Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:46:00 - [11] Tier 2 BCs or gtfo. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Isaiah Harms	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:51:00 - [12] Faction BC's get my vote! Of course I'm all for new ships. Can we get more useful pvp bonuses? Enhanced webber/disruptor ranges?
assasain	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:54:00 - [13] nice, i want one XD
Hegg Master Globaltech Industries	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:55:00 - [14] Imperial Navy Harbinger :) [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Hegg%20Master][
Lando Kalrisian Caldari Up2-NoGood Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:00:00 - [15] [Vote For] This is a damn good idea however i think there should even be Faction Carriers aswell
Zheng Guo Lucian Alliance -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:01:00 - [16] Navy Hurrican
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:05:00 - [17] give: -Angel tier 1 bc. Fast, autocannons and the bc must be the size of a battleship -jet black Republic Fleet issue Hurricane "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game."
LeeYenChina SCIKEM	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:24:00 - [18] [Vote For] But tier 2, tier 1 are alerady used as command ships.
Vikhan	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:50:00 - [19] Aye - A Great Idea
Ap0ll0n Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:55:00 - [20] I vote for this. Seems silly that there is no faction version of one of the most used ship classes in game. First navy bc's, then pirate factions with completely new hulls like the cruiser and frigates.
Noran Ferah Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Cpt Branko Tier 2 BCs or gtfo. /thread
Robert Rumpletweezer Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:25:00 - [22] A vote for this is a vote for another half assed, rushed, crowd pleasing, content boosting patch. I'd much rather CCP spent more time fixing current issues and making the game more playable. Also, why not fix the command ship problem? Essentially faction BCs would just be more of the same.
Mr Floydy The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:35:00 - [23] Originally by: ITTigerClawIK Impirial Navy Harbinger PLEASE!!!!!! Originally by: Hegg Master Imperial Navy Harbinger :) This please!
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.06.12 22:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Robert Rumpletweezer A vote for this is a vote for another half assed, rushed, crowd pleasing, content boosting patch. I'd much rather CCP spent more time fixing current issues and making the game more playable. Also, why not fix the command ship problem? Essentially faction BCs would just be more of the same. I bet your a blast at parties "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game."
SickSeven Nova Aquilae	Posted - 2010.06.13 06:05:00 - [25] I agree with a poster above, TIER2 OR GTFO! We already have Command ships using tier1 hulls, but there are no variations at all of the tier2 hulls. Republic Fleet Hurricane or GTFO!!! And personally I think they should be designed specifically for wormhole/exploration use. like cpu reduction to core probe launchers(not expanded probe launchers). dont just make them double HP wtfpwnsaucedamagemobiles. You died at the fittings screen, you just hand't realized it yet - Mr. Cue
Reiisha Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.13 06:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Lara IceTeardrop Angel Cartel Cyclone Not going to happen. Angel Cartel has unique ship models for all it's (obtainable) ships, why would they start copying Minmatar designs? Same goes for Blood Raiders, though with the Bhaalgorn there's already a foot in the door. Still, i'd rather see new models for both, if they were to have obtainable battlecruisers, since both factions don't actually borrow or copy and main faction designs. Overlooking the models that do correlate though since obviously it would be too much work to make seperate models for ships you will only see in very specific instances. The Angel Cartel specifically uses Jove designs they found in Curse (iirc), hence their ships look like they do. They're not actually a minmatar splinter faction. It's much more likely that IF we get faction BC's they will be from the main empire factions. If we ever get pirate BC's... Sansha's and Angel will definetely have unique models. "If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
Korlissa Komodo Enterprises	Posted - 2010.06.13 08:06:00 - [27] Originally by: LeeYenChina [Vote For] But tier 2, tier 1 are alerady used as command ships.
Badmin	Posted - 2010.06.13 08:47:00 - [28] T3 or go home [VOTE]
CyberRaver Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers	Posted - 2010.06.13 08:56:00 - [29] As much as i want my imperial navy, or blood raider harbinger it would make my absolution totally useless, but the overall win factor of a faction harbinger wins im afraid So YES GEIF
1600 RT	Posted - 2010.06.13 11:13:00 - [30] i vote for tier1 BC hulls: cyclone fleet issue 7 highs (7 turrets hardpoint) 7 meds 4 lows 5% bonus to projectile rof 7,5% bonus to projectile tracking 50mb of dronebay enough fitting for full rack of 220 AC, 2 LSE, MWD, etc. ferox navy issue 7 highs (7 turrets) 6 meds 5 lows (TE are better for sniping than TC) 10% to hybrid optimal range 5% to hybrid damage 25mb of dronebay enough fitting for 7 250mm rails + mwd Prophecy navy issue 7 highs (7 turrets) 4 meds 7 lows 5% energy weapon damage 5% armor resist 25mb of drones enough fitting for a full rack of heavy pulse 1600 plate and mwd. mini abaddon anyone :D Brutix navy issue 7 high (7 turrets) 5 meds 6 lows 5% to hybrid ROF 10% to hybrid falloff 75mb of drones enough fitting for full rack of ions + mwd + 1600 plate or full rack of neutrons + 2lse+ mwd.
Riza Zalman	Posted - 2010.06.13 11:26:00 - [31] I Agree for faction BC.
Alex McMahon	Posted - 2010.06.13 11:29:00 - [32] I agree for factions BC.
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.13 13:17:00 - [33] Angel Cartel BC. Somewhere between a Cynabal and a Mach... maybe make it look like a small mach with more engines and less bulk. I'm thinking around 2,500ms w/ MWD, maybe 750-800 DPS with angel falloff bonus, same mids as cyn but more lows? __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
1600 RT	Posted - 2010.06.13 13:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Skira Ranos Angel Cartel BC. Somewhere between a Cynabal and a Mach... maybe make it look like a small mach with more engines and less bulk. I'm thinking around 2,500ms w/ MWD, maybe 750-800 DPS with angel falloff bonus, same mids as cyn but more lows? not OP at all also good luck if you hope CCP will work for a new hull anytime soon (except T3 frigs)
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.13 13:51:00 - [35] Originally by: Cpt Branko Tier 2 BCs or gtfo. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Tau Dades Caldari Electrostatik	Posted - 2010.06.13 16:19:00 - [36] CN Drake
Mei Khlolov The Bastards The Tusker Bastards	Posted - 2010.06.13 17:50:00 - [37] Federation Myrm with 5 heavies plz.
Ligeia Serenis	Posted - 2010.06.13 20:56:00 - [38] faction drake pls;)
Probing Sam	Posted - 2010.06.13 23:02:00 - [39] i sense the Navy issue Drake to be the new mission runners ship of choice
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.06.13 23:24:00 - [40] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 13/06/2010 23:24:40 Fleet Issue Hurricane 8 Highs / 8 Turrets 5 Mids 6 Lows 5% damage, 5% damage 25m^3/50m^3 Drake Navy Issue 8 Highs / 8 Launchers 7 Mids 4 Lows 5% ROF, 5% Resists 25m^3/50m^3 Imperial Navy Harbinger 8 Highs / 8 Turrets 4 Mids 7 Lows 5% Damage, 5% Resists 50m^3/75m^3 Myrmidon Navy Issue 6 Highs / 6 Turrets 5 Mids 7 Lows 10% Drone Damage, 7.5% Armor Rep 125m^3/300m^3 Bump all the agilities a tiny bit, give the faction HP bonus, make sure good PVP close range and long range fits can squeeze on with no more than 1 fitting mod... I think we've got a winner. ;-) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Lara IceTeardrop smackin localz	Posted - 2010.06.13 23:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 13/06/2010 23:24:40 Fleet Issue Hurricane 8 Highs / 8 Turrets 5 Mids 6 Lows 5% damage, 5% damage 25m^3/50m^3 Drake Navy Issue 8 Highs / 8 Launchers 7 Mids 4 Lows 5% ROF, 5% Resists 25m^3/50m^3 Imperial Navy Harbinger 8 Highs / 8 Turrets 4 Mids 7 Lows 5% Damage, 5% Resists 50m^3/75m^3 Myrmidon Navy Issue 6 Highs / 6 Turrets 5 Mids 7 Lows 10% Drone Damage, 7.5% Armor Rep 125m^3/300m^3 Bump all the agilities a tiny bit, give the faction HP bonus, make sure good PVP close range and long range fits can squeeze on with no more than 1 fitting mod... I think we've got a winner. ;-) -Liang Thanks guys for your comments, at first it dosent matter what versions coming out, tier 1 or tier 2, well the Deatspace Npc versions allready exsist, so the hull just must make playable, and the other thing tier 2 are playable but no faction version to fly, the just need another name and look. Mnn anyone of you guys makes me some sad,becaus pls stay realistic, i think its not a good idea with a siege launcher on a drake or something like that crap... Please post vote for in your comments, hopefull ccp hear our voice
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.06.14 00:07:00 - [42] Originally by: Lara IceTeardrop Mnn anyone of you guys makes me some sad,becaus pls stay realistic, i think its not a good idea with a siege launcher on a drake or something like that crap... Please post vote for in your comments, hopefull ccp hear our voice Well, I tried to keep it realistic and still give everyone what they really would want in a faction tier 2 BC. I felt compelled to limit the Hurricane's DPS by trading its ROF bonus for another damage bonus and removing some drone bandwidth, for example. So the rough stats would become: 425mm AC Fleet Cane: ~820 DPS HAM Navy Drake: ~700 DPS Imperial Harby: ~710 DPS Myrm Navy: ~912 DPS Of course the outliers are the Cane (very low EHP for a faction BC!) and the Myrm (high dps, but its got blasters, destroyable DPS, and an active tank.. so really its still pretty fail). I promise its all reasonable. I promise. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Byzan Zwyth Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.06.14 04:20:00 - [43] would kill for a faction hurricane I'd really like to see the tier 1 BC's get a small boost, what they really need to to give them something to make them worth looking at would be if they were made slightly lighter/faster and with a smaller signature. It doesn't make sense to me that the tier2 battlecruisers have more DPS and a better tank than Tier 1 and are exactly the same size, speed & signature. making tier 1 just a bit better there would at least give them something... Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact [email protected]. ~Saint
Proteus Maximus Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:35:00 - [44] I do like the concept but I can help but thinking it's more about not wanting to train BC V. I would agree with fixing all of the current ships and general problems. If you want more our of a BC train it to V like the rest of us have.
Emperor Ryan Amarr Imperial Syndicate Forces Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:44:00 - [45] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 13/06/2010 23:24:40 Fleet Issue Hurricane 8 Highs / 8 Turrets 5 Mids 6 Lows 5% damage, 5% ROF 25m^3/50m^3 Drake Navy Issue 8 Highs / 8 Launchers 7 Mids 4 Lows 5% ROF, 5% Resists 25m^3/50m^3 Imperial Navy Harbinger 8 Highs / 8 Turrets 4 Mids 7 Lows 5% Damage, 5% Resists 50m^3/75m^3 Myrmidon Navy Issue 6 Highs / 6 Turrets 5 Mids 7 Lows 10% Drone Damage, 7.5% Armor Rep 125m^3/300m^3 Bump all the agilities a tiny bit, give the faction HP bonus, make sure good PVP close range and long range fits can squeeze on with no more than 1 fitting mod... I think we've got a winner. ;-) -Liang Changed it for you. On the other hand 8 Guns on a fleet cane would make it better than a Sleip as well, so prehaps 7 guns would be better, though then it should have the same gun dps as a sliep, Point being, Having a double bonus on a minie ship dosent follow the way CCP have made them so far Normaly rof + Damage. But that's a bit of a fickle then, As 10% damage or 5% + 5% and 8 turrets is still around the same as the sliep. But second thing to note, is that other than the malstrom Most minie ships have a utlity slot, which is why 7 guns might be better, also don't forget missle slots. Overall though great idea Liang :) - Emperor
Ethan Blue Domine Noctis Kamikaze Project	Posted - 2010.06.14 11:50:00 - [46] I vote for it. ------------------------ TeaDaze for CSM.
CAPSLOCKBROKE Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.14 13:02:00 - [47] sheds a tear I misread the title as falcon battleships =( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAPSLOCK, BECAUSE SOMETIMES REGULAR FONT JUST, ISN'T, GOOD ENOUGH.
Inturist FSB-ALFA RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.14 13:12:00 - [48] BC looks nice , but i love to see instead faction logistic ships , that would be rly nice --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.06.14 15:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Emperor Ryan Changed it for you. On the other hand 8 Guns on a fleet cane would make it better than a Sleip as well, so prehaps 7 guns would be better, though then it should have the same gun dps as a sliep, Point being, Having a double bonus on a minie ship dosent follow the way CCP have made them so far Normaly rof + Damage. But that's a bit of a fickle then, As 10% damage or 5% + 5% and 8 turrets is still around the same as the sliep. But second thing to note, is that other than the malstrom Most minie ships have a utlity slot, which is why 7 guns might be better, also don't forget missle slots. Overall though great idea Liang :) I figured since I was busy changing a couple bonuses around (Drake dmg -> ROF, Harby Cap -> Resists) I might as well "nerf" the Fleet Hurricane's DPS. Of course, being the artillery *** that I am, I actually had an ulterior motive... the volley damage on it would have been near 7K (IIRC) with a full rack of 720s. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
aetherguy881 Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.14 15:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Liang Nuren Myrmidon Navy Issue 6 Highs / 6 Turrets 5 Mids 7 Lows 10% Drone Damage, 7.5% Armor Rep 125m^3/300m^3 You missed out on the bandwidth, but carrying extra drones never hurts! ------------------- Always remember this about EVE: Life is cheap, or 15 bucks a month.
THEDON1 Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.14 16:55:00 - [51] Originally by: ITTigerClawIK Impirial Navy Harbinger PLEASE!!!!!! this and all of the above
jullll	Posted - 2010.06.15 09:49:00 - [52] agreed, BC need more love.
Noisrevbus Caldari Breams Gone Wild	Posted - 2010.06.15 10:20:00 - [53] I'm also a big fan of BC, though i'd rather see CCP spent the sprint time on fixing CS instead tbh. I'm not sure if the game need more Faction ships to obsolete tech II. No matter how awesome it is with faction stuff for RP reasons, tier two models, moving supply (/demand) out of the hands of pre-favoured tech II producers and into faction stores available for everyone etc. Fixing CS should be prioritized at least - feel free to bring on the Faction BC past that :).
Ethan Blue Domine Noctis Kamikaze Project	Posted - 2010.06.15 11:18:00 - [54] Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE sheds a tear I misread the title as falcon battleships =( Stop crying, they are called Scorpions... and they are CHEAP ------------------------ TeaDaze for CSM.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.15 11:35:00 - [55] WTB Liang Issue Drake and Cane. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Lara IceTeardrop smackin localz	Posted - 2010.06.15 14:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Noisrevbus I'm also a big fan of BC, though i'd rather see CCP spent the sprint time on fixing CS instead tbh. I'm not sure if the game need more Faction ships to obsolete tech II. No matter how awesome it is with faction stuff for RP reasons, tier two models, moving supply (/demand) out of the hands of pre-favoured tech II producers and into faction stores available for everyone etc. Fixing CS should be prioritized at least - feel free to bring on the Faction BC past that :). so can anyone tell me what the proplem with Cs ?, sorry ived never heard from that issues
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.15 17:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Lara IceTeardrop so can anyone tell me what the proplem with Cs ?, sorry ived never heard from that issues Sure. We can just go down the line. First fleet commands: Damnation, Vulture, and Claymore are more or less fine if you enjoy sitting in a safe spot and providing bonuses. Damnation also happens to be sexy as all get out. None of them are really suited for front line work (unless you want to risk the Damnation's absolutely epic tank for the hell of it). EOS is useless in most situations. The bonuses it provides are... niche. "Limp" might be a better term under normal circumstances. It was the single ship hit hardest during the great bandwidth nerf of... whatever year that was. Field commands: NH is a great PvE ship that simply can't manage to PvP for its life. Which is kinda what it was designed to do in the first place, not solo L5s. Sleipnir is a totally viable ship. And pretty. Both the Absolution and the Astarte suffer the same problem: they don't really make any major advances from their (much) cheaper T1 counterparts. The Absolution is pretty nearly outclassed by the Harbinger. The Astarte is just as suicidal as the Brutix at several times the cost. If suffers from the same thing the Diemos does in comparison to the Thorax (or, again, the Brutix). They're all Leroy ships but only one (maybe two) make sense to use on a cost basis. Does that sum it up well enough?
Lara IceTeardrop smackin localz	Posted - 2010.06.15 19:55:00 - [58] Originally by: Zhilia Mann Originally by: Lara IceTeardrop so can anyone tell me what the proplem with Cs ?, sorry ived never heard from that issues Sure. We can just go down the line. First fleet commands: Damnation, Vulture, and Claymore are more or less fine if you enjoy sitting in a safe spot and providing bonuses. Damnation also happens to be sexy as all get out. None of them are really suited for front line work (unless you want to risk the Damnation's absolutely epic tank for the hell of it). EOS is useless in most situations. The bonuses it provides are... niche. "Limp" might be a better term under normal circumstances. It was the single ship hit hardest during the great bandwidth nerf of... whatever year that was. Field commands: NH is a great PvE ship that simply can't manage to PvP for its life. Which is kinda what it was designed to do in the first place, not solo L5s. Sleipnir is a totally viable ship. And pretty. Both the Absolution and the Astarte suffer the same problem: they don't really make any major advances from their (much) cheaper T1 counterparts. The Absolution is pretty nearly outclassed by the Harbinger. The Astarte is just as suicidal as the Brutix at several times the cost. If suffers from the same thing the Diemos does in comparison to the Thorax (or, again, the Brutix). They're all Leroy ships but only one (maybe two) make sense to use on a cost basis. Does that sum it up well enough? Sure dude,well thats are the standart proplems with cs, indeed this ships need a fix, I can fly Nighthawk and Absolution and these ships are better for fleet actions as solo i think. The Nighthawk donig a bit more damage as a drake, and with the missile/explosions bonus per lvl. you can hit speed tanks a bit more harder, but iam not sure if i can kill a dramiel with that for exaple, well the NH has only 5 med slots, that means you must hadle mutch difficult with your slots, if you want a good tank you need 2 invu fields, 1 large shield extender, 1 10mn mwd and a poit, but just a point isent mutch ecm, and you dont have a sensor booster to lock targets faster... The Absolution looks like a mix of the propthecy and harbringer in one ship the vulture could be excellent in Sniper Hac gangs with scimitar support, . or a speed shieldtank closerange gang, like cynabals, drakes, vagas, dictors, hictors and something ... so that its all what i have to say about cs.. but that issent the main part in my theat.
Xzar Fyrarr Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:01:00 - [59] Been wanting my Fleet Issue Hurricane ever since I trained BC lvl 5 Eons ago. Makeithappen.
Djerin Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:11:00 - [60] Not supported. Before bringing new ships yet again they should fix some stuff that has been broken for a long time. ---- Sarmaul's crosstrainorgtfo
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Lara IceTeardrop so that its all what i have to say about cs.. but that issent the main part in my theat. Fair. Though I still think CSs should be fixed before another series of BC is added. But for the record, I would sacrifice virgins for a 125mb bandwidth Myrm, the tears of anyone who loses a failfit CN Drake would fuel a million ponies for a million years, and a decent looking Harb would be nice. An RF Hurricane scares the **** out of me though. Overall, fine, endorsed as far as empires go.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:45:00 - [62] I gief support to theat. -- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
Rancid Fish	Posted - 2010.06.17 15:31:00 - [63] do it!
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:13:00 - [64] Originally by: Zhilia Mann An RF Hurricane scares the **** out of me though. only if it's black seriously, it HAS to be black ok... i'll take a rust red if i HAVE to, but black would be pimp -- A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game.
Backho	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:34:00 - [65] we need DRAKe navy issueeeeeeeeeeeeeeee it needs to have 8 launcher points, and 5 lowssssssss Buff up the resistence bonus to +10% per battlecruiser levell!!1!
Colonel Evans	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:01:00 - [66] Edited by: Colonel Evans on 17/06/2010 18:04:14 NVM got it. Supported btw, RF Hurricane would be awesomesauce.
Elrinarie Gallente Scan This	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:40:00 - [67] Originally by: Cpt Branko Tier 2 BCs or gtfo. oh god... like people don't already cry enough about drakes. --------------------- Creator of another Mining Calculator
Vil'helm	Posted - 2010.06.18 03:57:00 - [68] [Vote Against] want more power, get a BS.
Zar Terra	Posted - 2010.06.18 04:30:00 - [69] I'm more in favour of a Bhaalgorn re-design to make it look more in line with its smaller siblings. However, T2 BC's and Faction BC's are a must as well.
Amitious Turkey Gallente TarNec manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2010.06.18 04:54:00 - [70] Faction Myrmidon. Sexy. Haunting the forums since '03 Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3 Originally by: CCP Navigator We have just updated Dodixie. We care a lot for Gallente. NAVIGATOR <3
Taighde	Posted - 2010.06.18 11:07:00 - [71] Quote: Shadow Serpentis Brutix Brutix + web % and hybrid fallof bonus? I just ****ed in my pod. Pity it would be too expensive to ever really fly.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:46:00 - [72] Originally by: Lara IceTeardrop Dread Guristas Ferox Exclamation of pure awesomeness of this idea. Short expression supporting the thread/idea/proposed change.
GavinCapacitor	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:06:00 - [73] I DONT RESPOND TO THREATS!
Altaica Amur The Elliance	Posted - 2010.07.28 20:21:00 - [74] Edited by: Altaica Amur on 28/07/2010 20:21:20 Supported, I want my Sansha BC, my current thoughts for Pirate faction BCs are following the pattern of the pirate faction ships already out there for bonuses and purpose. Sansha 6 highs 6 mids 5 lows 4 turrets (8 effective) Guristas 7 highs 6 mids 5 lows 5 turrets Serpentis 7 highs 4 mids 7 lows 6 (10.5 effective) Blood 8 highs 4 mids 6 lows 4(8 effective) turrets Angels 8 highs 6 mids 5 lows 6 turrets 4? launchers Assuming all the same bonuses as their cruiser brethren I think/hope that this should be decently balanced in offering something powerful but not entirely OP, a fine line in battlecruiser hulls.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.07.28 22:19:00 - [75] Originally by: SickSeven And personally I think they should be designed specifically for wormhole/exploration use. Because the Faction Navies are such a big part of wormhole life. -- Sent from my douchePhone using Look@MEEEEE!
Aralieus Amarr The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.07.28 22:35:00 - [76] I honestly don't see why not, every other class of ship bar Caps and Indy boats have a Pirate/Faction counterpart. The BR Prophecy or IN Harb does sounds pretty hawt
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2010.07.28 23:04:00 - [77] Drake Navy Issue.
n0thing Gallente Executive Intervention The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.07.29 00:30:00 - [78] [vote against] - Dont make this game ISK > Skill. Theres enough 6 month old pilots in Cynabals and Dramiels, that can mess up 90% of other ship`s day(class wise). - Fix Command Ships, Gallente ones in pvp, Amarr ones for anything other then bait-tankage. Fix bonuses on certain command ships. Astarte and its next to useless armor rep bonus?! The thing is already slow, you want to armor tank/rig it, so it will be slower then BS? ---
Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.07.29 01:05:00 - [79] Ferox Navy Issue / Dread Guristas Ferox / Ode To The Old Rattlesnake <-----Don't Care Watch Call It Just Gimme One! 8 highs (6 turrets, 6 launchers) 6 meds 5 lows 5% to hybrid damage 5% rof to launchers 25mb of dronebay It would have to maintain the split weapon platform imho. This would be a ship suited for a lower skilled Calrari pilot that would scale well as skills improve and create a nice payoff for training both missiles and hybrids. Pardon me, I seem to be getting a bit moist just thinking of this ship Patri I'll Roshambo You For That Titan!
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.29 04:06:00 - [80] no. IMBA as hell. This is clearly a signature.
Jyngo	Posted - 2010.07.29 05:14:00 - [81] No. CCP needs to fix some of the issues with ships already in-game before wasting time adding more.
Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.07.29 05:36:00 - [82] Originally by: Patri Andari Ferox Navy Issue / Dread Guristas Ferox / Ode To The Old Rattlesnake <-----Don't Care Watch Call It Just Gimme One! 8 highs (6 turrets, 6 launchers) 6 meds 5 lows 5% to hybrid damage 5% rof to launchers 25mb of dronebay It would have to maintain the split weapon platform imho. This would be a ship suited for a lower skilled Calrari pilot that would scale well as skills improve and create a nice payoff for training both missiles and hybrids. Pardon me, I seem to be getting a bit moist just thinking of this ship Originally by: Cipher Jones no. IMBA as hell. Hmmmm that is strange as it is almost an exact setup as the old Rattlesnake before it was turned into a drone boat. Don't recall anyone arguing the old Rattlesnake was IMBA. Old Rattlesnake: iirc 8 highs (6 turrets, 6 launchers) 6 meds 6 lows 5% to hybrid damage (for each level of Gallente BS Skill) 5% rof to launchers (for each level of Caldari BS Skill) 75mb of dronebay Ship held its value better back then. Was a better ship IMHO. Now it is the cheapest Pirate BS on contracts. You may have thought it was IMBA but I think you are in a minority. If game balance can tolerate the Typhoon Fleet Issue then this should be cake. Typhoon Fleet Issue 8 highs (5 turrets, 5 launchers) 4 meds 8 lows 5% rof to turrets 5% rof to launchers 125mb of dronebay Nah, if anything the Dread Gurista Ferox of my dreams would be pretty balanced...and fun. Patri I'll Roshambo You For That Titan!
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.29 09:10:00 - [83] Originally by: Djerin Not supported. Before bringing new ships yet again they should fix some stuff that has been broken for a long time. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Lifia Kerum Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.29 14:26:00 - [84] Originally by: Djerin Not supported. Before bringing new ships yet again they should fix some stuff that has been broken for a long time. As much as I would love Faction Tier 2 BCs, fixing current problems on CS or other things (like rockets...) would be time better spent imho. --- Originally by: Shar Tegral Could we now get back on topic? It is tiring to verbally spank children early in the morning.
Altaen	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:26:00 - [85] Originally by: 3200plus i think faction BC's are a nice idea, but i don't think they would have to be pirate faction... just more slots and base hp, hardpoints, maybe a faction bonus too like a tracking one on a RF cane... i vote for it :p Agreed. If I don't get either a Fleet 'cane or a Fleet 'clone someday I will be quite upset. I think if they continue with adding pirate hulls they should do so on the frigate and cruiser level, with a focus on low-sec interdiction.
NewGit Caldari Rusty Industries	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:28:00 - [86] Caldari Navy already has the: Caldari Navy Hookbill (Frigate) Osprey Navy Issue (cruiser) Caracal Navy Issue (cruiser) Scorpion Navy Issue (battleship) and Raven Navy Issue (battleship). While the poor Guristas only have the Worm (frigate) Gila (cruiser) and Rattlesnake (battleship). If anything, they should add a Gurista destroyer, or maybe a battle cruiser. Of note, there are no Faction destroyers in the game either, not just battle cruisers. It's about time Korako and company got around to doing what they do best, stealing Caldari designs and improving on them. --------------* If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, mine it.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.07.29 15:44:00 - [87] [NAY] The performance distance between tier2 BCs and tier1 BS is frighteningly small, it is mainly raw EHP and range that sets them apart. Adding a faction BC line would more than encroach on tier1 BS territory, it would make them obsolete in many scenarios. Were they to be introduced then they should be non-frontline vessels that focuses on probing, support, tackling etc. anything but damage/tank really. If you dont believe me, then look at the navy cruisers .. they are so close to being equal to tier2 BC when it comes to tank/gank (50k EHP/600dps Nomens for instance). Faction hulls are powerful, so much so that they should not be added willy nilly.
Flying ZombieJesus	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:55:00 - [88] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Faction hulls are powerful, so much so that they should not be added willy nilly. Federation Navy Erebus?
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.07.29 16:58:00 - [89] [Vote against] Too many overpriced hangar ornaments in game - fix existing problems first. _________________________________ Originally by: Dodgy Past Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
Viva Che	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:24:00 - [90] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington [Vote against] Too many overpriced hangar ornaments in game - fix existing problems first. This
JonnyRandom	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:38:00 - [91] [Vote against] BCs are popular for being relatively cheap for the great mid-level utility they are able to bring. Not only would it be a colossal waste of time creating new ships when we've still got to wait 18months before they come around to polishing existing eve "features", but they would also be overpriced toys that rarely see any light outside of hangar lights. I think the popularity of BCs in pvp right now are a testament to how well they are designed. No need to do anything further with them. They are fine as they are. Don't fix what isn't broken. Go fix what is broken first.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.07.29 17:47:00 - [92] Originally by: JonnyRandom I think the popularity of BCs in pvp right now are a testament to how well they are designed. No need to do anything further with them. They are fine as they are. Don't fix what isn't broken. Go fix what is broken first. Unless... You bring out faction tier 1 BCs that somehow slightly outperform normal tier 2 BCs? Would still require changes to CSs, but it might well be less OP than faction tier 2s. But meh. I'd still rather that the tier distinction were done away with and each race's BCs be balanced so at least we have 8 workable ships before introducing faction variants. Pirate BCs on the other hand would be pure awesomesauce and would prevent the UberLoLDrakeofDeathbyTank. And would surely be as imbalanced as the rest of the pirate ships.
Kendon Riddick	Posted - 2010.07.29 18:29:00 - [93] Originally by: Zhilia Mann UberLoLDrakeofDeathbyTank give it rail range boonus
Arrador	Posted - 2010.07.29 19:27:00 - [94] Edited by: Arrador on 29/07/2010 19:28:15 Originally by: "1600 rt" ferox navy issue 7 highs (7 turrets) 6 meds 5 lows (TE are better for sniping than TC) 10% to hybrid optimal range 5% to hybrid damage 25mb of dronebay enough fitting for 7 250mm rails + mwd Oh God, yes please.
Fon Revedhort Monks of War DarkSide.	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:02:00 - [95] Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 29/07/2010 20:04:06 This thread shows us yet another failure in realising that tier2 BC already perform exactly like faction BC would in comparison to tier1. I mean, ok, let's assume you indeed make some new ships, but what are their stats gonna look like? You surely can't make them better than current command ships, but this effectively means... tier2 level of perfomance at max. At first you'd need to fix tier2 BC by bringing them down to tier1 level, then you can probably add faction ones, which will perform like current drakes etc. And this is the only fair solution. ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Altaica Amur The Elliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 20:47:00 - [96] Quote: This thread shows us yet another failure in realising that tier2 BC already perform exactly like faction BC would in comparison to tier1. I mean, ok, let's assume you indeed make some new ships, but what are their stats gonna look like? You surely can't make them better than current command ships, but this effectively means... tier2 level of perfomance at max. At first you'd need to fix tier2 BC by bringing them down to tier1 level, then you can probably add faction ones, which will perform like current drakes etc. And this is the only fair solution. Actually I realize that and my ideas on this would be exclusively based on tier 1 hulls and upgraded from there, slots wise ending up en-par with the tier 2 ships but getting bonuses in their role and/or bonus brought from their pirate faction. For the navy variants it's a bit more complicated since finding appropriate space between a brutix and 1000 dps for a serpentis BC and a navy brutix is challanging, largely coming down to having to focus on different aspects. Where the serpentis brutix would be an uncompromising commitment to melt-your-face dps the navy brutix, in the same manner as the navy mega would build a credible tank on an already heavy damaging ship. Maybe consider changing the active tank bonus to a resist or armor HP bonus Navy Brutix Highs: 7 Mids: 4 Lows: 7 Turrets: 7 (8.75 effective) Maybe consider changing the active tank bonus to a resist or armor HP bonus Navy Ferox was easier since as an underpowered ship there's lot of room to improve it without making it too good, adding another turret or two, along with the fittings to manage it would give the Caldari a higher damage turret ship then they currently have by a long shot. Navy Ferox Highs: 8 Mids: 6 Lows: 4 Turrets: 7/8 Launchers: 6 I don't know as much about the Cyclone or minmatar to know how this would work out but here's my best guess. Fiddling with the bonuses here would probably be good, maybe a missile and projectile RoF bonus as well as another bonus to replace the rep bonus one. Navy Cyclone Highs: 8 Mids: 6 Lows: 5 Turrets: 6 Launchers: 4 The Prophecy obviously needed some work to make it particularily viable but changing the cap use bonus to a damage bonus, perhaps a 7.5% one even would bring it close to Harb damage with a much better tank Navy Prophecy Highs: 7 Mids: 4 Lows: 7 Turrets: 6(7.5-8.25 effective) These changes along with the standard expansion of fitting, armor and shield HP and capacitor, the last particularily key in the ferox and prophecy, should make appreciably better then tier 2 battlecruisers without doing too much to displace battleships.
n0thing Gallente Executive Intervention The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.07.29 21:08:00 - [97] Originally by: Altaica Amur should make appreciably better then tier 2 battlecruisers without doing too much to displace battleships. BS price drop by 40mil in past year I think. They are already displaced, I cant remember when I last flew one. Oh and btw, BSes are at least capable of using large guns. The faction BC will displace Command Ships, since said Command Ships are already almost displaced by some of Tier 2 BC`s. ---
Altaica Amur The Elliance	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:51:00 - [98] Everything's gone down in price due to the insurance changes, not related to the utility or lack of utility in BSs
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.07.29 22:58:00 - [99] Can I troll in here and add my vote for a pirate/faction destroyers? Guristas Cormorant with drones and good tank? Serpentis Catalyst with insane damage, 90% webs andspeed? Blood Coercer with web range and neut cap bonus and more than one mid? Angel Thrasher with inty speed, wicked tracking and huge falloff? All that being said, don't count on CCP ever doing anything creative for BCs or destroyers (well maaaybe tier 2 destroyers one day), because Dessies and BCs are the only ships that need no racial training, and CCP really does like you to spend as much time as possible on skillz.
Valiermox Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.30 00:32:00 - [100] I agree to this idea! I wish to see a Faction type Hurricane! my god that ship is already sexy, but Faction type? Wow, I think my pants just got sticky...
BuckStrider Fleem Co	Posted - 2010.07.30 02:34:00 - [101] How about CCP fixes the game first then we can talk about faction BC....Say...I dunno...In about 18 months
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2010.07.30 02:35:00 - [102] Navy Issue Drake please.
Cosmic Jaloga	Posted - 2010.07.31 06:02:00 - [103] I vote instead of using existing hulls make some faction Bc's, make new hulls, something as demonic looking as a dramiel or steamlined as the ashimmu. And while you're at it CCP, remove the primae from the game.
Odvian	Posted - 2010.07.31 13:06:00 - [104] Originally by: Kim Zhi Edited by: Kim Zhi on 12/06/2010 13:18:27 I wanna Shadow serpentis Hyperion /me goes off for the tissues.. that would be a sick ship i wouldnt care about the fitting but the looks wuld be killer
Kisan Tisaro	Posted - 2010.08.01 03:09:00 - [105] Tier 2 faction bc only gets my vote I would love a faction hurricane maybe painted silver or bright red . Would also be nice if CCP fixed the lag
hturt	Posted - 2010.08.07 20:28:00 - [106] pirate faction bcs right now plzzzzzz
Zilberfrid	Posted - 2010.08.07 22:39:00 - [107] I vote against. Tier 2 BC's already are close to overshadowing HAC's and stepping on BS toes while obsoleting tier 1 BC's, and the field CS already has a tough time finding a niche. I'd say nerf tier 2 BC first, and then look into making an upgrade. ------------------------------------- I like to fly around and shoot stuff.
piecakes's brother	Posted - 2010.08.08 05:02:00 - [108] [Vote FOR] would like to see faction...as well as navy.... Would also suggest tech 3...maybe more of a mini carrier for high sec yeilding 10 drones of medium badnwith with drone bonuses......something of that nature...would also like to see more tech 3 ships as well as more faction BS I can fly ever races 3 of which are tech 2 and 3 would also like to see tech 3 moduals... I get bored with most of the ships in game need more!!!!!!!! dictated but not read...
Salvia Olima The All-Seeing Eye Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.08 16:56:00 - [109] [Vote FOR] Anyway, fix the lag first, thx.

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