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Ketsup
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Posted - 2005.04.13 16:26:00 -
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I wont challenge your view, I believe that it would be a serious flaw if a cruiser of any type be capible of destroying a 'Battleship' i believe all your reffering to is the actual skills involved to pilot it in the first instance with a extra gun slot and resistances thrown in to boot then maybe that pilot could excersise pvp knowledge to overcome the odds.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2005.04.13 17:38:00 -
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This entire HAS Vs BS business is nonsense - HAS are basically highly capable Cruisers, with similar traits to their parent ships, but exceedingly good in their chosen field. The Deimos is a regular in the Battleship killing stakes because what it does - cruising to under 5 Km, before letting rip with high-tracking, high-damage blasters - happens to be highly effective at defeating a ship of greater size with slower weapons.
Of course a better pilot will be able to deal with larger craft more effectively, but most people in HAS are good pilots! There is a food-chain in EVE, and whilst the HAS (and the Deimos) aren't necessarily at the top, they're pretty damn high up.
On a side note, if you're in a Deimos - fear the Ishtar. They're naturally resilient to your hybrid ammunition, and if they're packing the right equipment, they can hit you where it hurts - Explosive armour and capacitor. If you have to fight one, go for the drones - they shouldn't be too hard to hit, and if you can cut off his damage output, then you'll buy yourself some time to get the hell out, or wait for backup...
Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.04.20 08:19:00 -
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Just got my deimos......omg this thing is insane. Here's what im usin atm while waiting for T2 med hybrids.
3 x anode electron 2 x limited ion 1 x med diminishing
1 x named 10mn mwd 1 x named web 1 x named disruptor
1 x med T2 rep 1 x active exp hardener 1 x energized adaptive nano 1 x T2 pdu 1 x passive explosive 1 x mag stab 2
5 x infiltrator 5 x valkyrie
After reading this thread I've come to the conclusion that the extra passive explosive should be dropped for a 2nd mag stab 2 and the energized adaptive should be swapped out for an active em?
Volt
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.04.20 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Voltron Just got my deimos......omg this thing is insane. Here's what im usin atm while waiting for T2 med hybrids.
3 x anode electron 2 x limited ion 1 x med diminishing
1 x named 10mn mwd 1 x named web 1 x named disruptor
1 x med T2 rep 1 x active exp hardener 1 x energized adaptive nano 1 x T2 pdu 1 x passive explosive 1 x mag stab 2
5 x infiltrator 5 x valkyrie
After reading this thread I've come to the conclusion that the extra passive explosive should be dropped for a 2nd mag stab 2 and the energized adaptive should be swapped out for an active em?
Volt
Looks good :D But be aware that with t2 blasters your cpu will become a LOT tighter. A em hardner is surely not a bad idea. And indeed dropping that passive for a mag field is a good idea too. WOuld try to get modals btw until you get t2 turrets. They're not that hard to get hold off I think. And well worth it. And they'll do quite nicely till you get med blaster spec 3 or even lvl 4. Cause you will have to make some fitting adjustments once you fit them, might not be worth it if you don't have atleast a couple of lvls into it. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |

TIO 101
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Posted - 2005.04.20 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: TIO 101 on 20/04/2005 09:26:41
Originally by: LUKEC attacking raven in HAC = suicide. If he has npc setup he will drain you as hell, if he has pvp, he will blow you to dust
ive done it in a thorax, well, 2 thorax's (corp m8 also involved) and captured it :D
btw... twas fully fitted, coulda killed either, if not both of us instead of ejecting.
h4xb4n
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kwoodward
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Posted - 2005.04.20 09:29:00 -
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till you are sure with your ship fit something like this, it's a good start and you shouldnt get killed as bs will be unlikely to scramble you.
4 ion's t2 1 electron t2 mwd(named not t2),named web,named scram 2wcs(named),mag stab2,explo hard,med rep (t2 if it fits)
once your sure or if you just have WAYYYYY too much money just fit 3 magstab2's you should be wrecking in the 700 regions which is insane for a cruise with 60-80% dmg resists
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.04.20 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: kwoodward till you are sure with your ship fit something like this, it's a good start and you shouldnt get killed as bs will be unlikely to scramble you.
4 ion's t2 1 electron t2 mwd(named not t2),named web,named scram 2wcs(named),mag stab2,explo hard,med rep (t2 if it fits)
once your sure or if you just have WAYYYYY too much money just fit 3 magstab2's you should be wrecking in the 700 regions which is insane for a cruise with 60-80% dmg resists
You are exxagerating just a little here. Highest wrecker I've had using 2 mag fields ( and a very nice amount of gunnery skills etc. ) is 600+ BUT that was against structure. Against normal tank 300-400 is a more reasonable number. And there are other cruisers that can crit for much more then that ;) Dps however is very nice and high. Since those t2 IONs spit it out at a ROF of well below 3 seconds. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |

Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.04.20 10:18:00 -
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5x 200 railgun 2s
1xMWD 1xtracking comp 1xweb
1xPDU2 1xRCU2 1xmedium rep2 1xexplosive hardner 2xmag stab
Thatll surprise em
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Fierce Deity
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Posted - 2005.05.03 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Iratus Caelestis A deimos for NPC'ing. That's sick.
You can easily NPC with the same loadout you use for PvP so it's quite handy.
I meant because its like using a baby as a hammer. Sure it works but its still just wrong.
<color=0xffbb6600>Guardian Sentry barely scratches you, causing 7.7 damage. <color=0xffbbbb00>Your Heavy Electron Blaster II is well aimed at Guardian Sentry, inflicting 200.0 damage.
mmm baby, the other other white meat.... ------FD------
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Hopka Fleip
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Posted - 2005.05.03 14:55:00 -
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Got my Deimos 2day at last, tryin to set it up, i want to use ion's in the setup with ion II's soon(TM) 
But wot i cant see on this topic is wot ammo is used, is it anti matter for in ur face damage?? but then u could not keep up the MWD speed? or iron/lead for a bit of extra range less damage?
any advice would be great ________________________________________________
"I will kill you until you die"
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.03 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hopka Fleip
But wot i cant see on this topic is wot ammo is used, is it anti matter for in ur face damage?? but then u could not keep up the MWD speed? or iron/lead for a bit of extra range less damage?
You shouldnt be flying a deimos if you are asking this question.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.03 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Hopka Fleip
But wot i cant see on this topic is wot ammo is used, is it anti matter for in ur face damage?? but then u could not keep up the MWD speed? or iron/lead for a bit of extra range less damage?
You shouldnt be flying a deimos if you are asking this question.
Agreed ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |

Hopka Fleip
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Posted - 2005.05.03 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Hopka Fleip
But wot i cant see on this topic is wot ammo is used, is it anti matter for in ur face damage?? but then u could not keep up the MWD speed? or iron/lead for a bit of extra range less damage?
You shouldnt be flying a deimos if you are asking this question.
Agreed
LOL!!!!1 u guys are funny!!
Any1 got any good points to make, over the great comments of Ren and Stimpy here?
All i asked was a simple question!  ________________________________________________
"I will kill you until you die"
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.03 18:33:00 -
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A simple question you should understand the answer too when flying a deimos.
But it's no, you don't use anything but antimatter in blasters... ever. The range difference is too small, there are no other damage types you get. And trading damage for a cap is a very very poor trade off for a blaster boat since you exist for dps, and dps only. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |

Hopka Fleip
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Posted - 2005.05.03 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys A simple question you should understand the answer too when flying a deimos.
But it's no, you don't use anything but antimatter in blasters... ever. The range difference is too small, there are no other damage types you get. And trading damage for a cap is a very very poor trade off for a blaster boat since you exist for dps, and dps only.
Thanx,
That is wot i thought i should use, after talkin to other ppl in game they gave the same advice!
Thanx again for u help!
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"I will kill you until you die"
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.05.03 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hopka Fleip
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Hopka Fleip
But wot i cant see on this topic is wot ammo is used, is it anti matter for in ur face damage?? but then u could not keep up the MWD speed? or iron/lead for a bit of extra range less damage?
You shouldnt be flying a deimos if you are asking this question.
Agreed
LOL!!!!1 u guys are funny!!
Any1 got any good points to make, over the great comments of Ren and Stimpy here?
All i asked was a simple question! 
You're calling THEM Ren and Stimpy?? LMAO, no offense, but if you don't already know that blasters 99% of the time use Antimatter... I'm afraid this is a classic instance of the pot calling the kettle black. Don't take that shiny new Deimos of yours too far into 0.0 until you get some more practice driving it, mate 
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Lanu
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Posted - 2005.05.19 17:40:00 -
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I was making a new setup for my deimos when I saw a guy say on this forum its possible to get 750+ DPS...
Well I have my deimos for like 2 months now.. got hac lvl 5 and medium blaster spec lvl 4 but 750+ dps? I think I dont even get that with 5 tech II Heavy neutron blasters 2 rcu II and 4 damage mods ( max damage setup ). Can somebody enlighten me how this could be possible?
boo
"You are most like the Cat, lazy and quiet. You aren't very exciting yet everyone notices your presence."
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2005.05.20 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lanu I was making a new setup for my deimos when I saw a guy say on this forum its possible to get 750+ DPS...
Well I have my deimos for like 2 months now.. got hac lvl 5 and medium blaster spec lvl 4 but 750+ dps? I think I dont even get that with 5 tech II Heavy neutron blasters 2 rcu II and 4 damage mods ( max damage setup ). Can somebody enlighten me how this could be possible?
I've never run the calculations myself - what DPS do you get with the above setup? Have you factored in drones? I myself fought a Deimos on Sisi with a maximum-damage setup using my more rounded Electron II setup (posted somewhere here I think), and he won by a single volley. I don't think he had an MWD fitted either, so it wasn't very suitable for general TQ fighting.
Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
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Lanu
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Posted - 2005.05.20 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dash Ripcock
Originally by: Lanu I was making a new setup for my deimos when I saw a guy say on this forum its possible to get 750+ DPS...
Well I have my deimos for like 2 months now.. got hac lvl 5 and medium blaster spec lvl 4 but 750+ dps? I think I dont even get that with 5 tech II Heavy neutron blasters 2 rcu II and 4 damage mods ( max damage setup ). Can somebody enlighten me how this could be possible?
I've never run the calculations myself - what DPS do you get with the above setup? Have you factored in drones? I myself fought a Deimos on Sisi with a maximum-damage setup using my more rounded Electron II setup (posted somewhere here I think), and he won by a single volley. I don't think he had an MWD fitted either, so it wasn't very suitable for general TQ fighting.
Tought it was somewhere around 615 DPS ( still very high IMO ) but ill try it again today.
boo
"You are most like the Cat, lazy and quiet. You aren't very exciting yet everyone notices your presence."
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Lanu
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Lanu on 21/05/2005 08:37:14 Edited by: Lanu on 20/05/2005 11:15:10
Originally by: Lanu
Originally by: Dash Ripcock
Originally by: Lanu I was making a new setup for my deimos when I saw a guy say on this forum its possible to get 750+ DPS...
Well I have my deimos for like 2 months now.. got hac lvl 5 and medium blaster spec lvl 4 but 750+ dps? I think I dont even get that with 5 tech II Heavy neutron blasters 2 rcu II and 4 damage mods ( max damage setup ). Can somebody enlighten me how this could be possible?
I've never run the calculations myself - what DPS do you get with the above setup? Have you factored in drones? I myself fought a Deimos on Sisi with a maximum-damage setup using my more rounded Electron II setup (posted somewhere here I think), and he won by a single volley. I don't think he had an MWD fitted either, so it wasn't very suitable for general TQ fighting.
Tought it was somewhere around 615 DPS ( still very high IMO ) but ill try it again today.
Just tried it on TQ.
My setup + skills was :
Deimos : 5 Heavy Neutron II blasters ( with antimatter ) 3 targeting comp II 5 Magnetic field stab II + 1 RCU II
HAS lvl 5 Medium blaster spec lvl 4 Other gunnery skills lvl 5 Maxed drone skills
I jetsoned a small secure container ( 100.000 HP ) at a planet in nonni and started shooting, these are the first and last log entry's
2005.05.20 10:57:44 (start) 2005.05.20 11:00:06 (stop)
so 100.000 hp / 142 sec = 704.225 DPS of the guns + Hammerhead drones ( highest dps of all med drones ) = 10 * (( (9*1.6)*1.25)/2) = 90 DPS of the drones. That would make a total of 794,225 DPS.
Seems 750+ dps is possible after all... I'm not very good at math so if somebody sees a big mistake in my calculations please correct me .
boo
"You are most like the Cat, lazy and quiet. You aren't very exciting yet everyone notices your presence."
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2005.05.20 23:03:00 -
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Hammerheads have a 2-second rate-of-fire, so you have to divide 180 by 2 to get the real figure-per-second: 90 DPS on the drones (provided you can fly ten at a time i.e. Interfacing V, with Heavy Drone V as well - not something many people can be bothered to get).
As for the guns - that's an interesting way of doing it - most people take (Damage Mod (when fitted) * Damage of Ammo * Number Of Guns)/Rate-Of-Fire (when fitted). For example, I use Electron IIs with two Mag-Stabs IIs - if I remember correctly giving (with SS V, M Hybrid IV and HAS V) a 6.0x damage modifier, with a 1.78 ROF and antimatter gives 24 total points of damage i.e.
GUNS = (6.0 * 24 * 5)/(1.78) = 404.5 DPS DRONES = 90 (for arguments sake) TOTAL = 494.5 DPS
Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
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Lanu
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Posted - 2005.05.21 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Lanu on 21/05/2005 09:22:50 Edited by: Lanu on 21/05/2005 09:22:22
Originally by: Dash Ripcock Hammerheads have a 2-second rate-of-fire, so you have to divide 180 by 2 to get the real figure-per-second: 90 DPS on the drones (provided you can fly ten at a time i.e. Interfacing V, with Heavy Drone V as well - not something many people can be bothered to get).
As for the guns - that's an interesting way of doing it - most people take (Damage Mod (when fitted) * Damage of Ammo * Number Of Guns)/Rate-Of-Fire (when fitted). For example, I use Electron IIs with two Mag-Stabs IIs - if I remember correctly giving (with SS V, M Hybrid IV and HAS V) a 6.0x damage modifier, with a 1.78 ROF and antimatter gives 24 total points of damage i.e.
GUNS = (6.0 * 24 * 5)/(1.78) = 404.5 DPS DRONES = 90 (for arguments sake) TOTAL = 494.5 DPS
I updated my post because of the drone rof ( thanks for correcting me ).
Nvm.. posted while sleeping is not good.
boo
"You are most like the Cat, lazy and quiet. You aren't very exciting yet everyone notices your presence."
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.21 09:08:00 -
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Ehm that 400 dps was from electrons and 2x mag field. ( quite a different setup from yours ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |

Lanu
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Posted - 2005.05.21 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys Ehm that 400 dps was from electrons and 2x mag field. ( quite a different setup from yours )
Bah just came out of bed sorry.. ignore my post  
boo
"You are most like the Cat, lazy and quiet. You aren't very exciting yet everyone notices your presence."
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Pesht
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Posted - 2005.05.21 10:12:00 -
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For those people killing battleships with a deimos, are you just not getting webbed, or are you able to tank the damage even if you're webbed and they're hitting you consistantly?
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.05.21 10:38:00 -
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If your killing a BS in a deimos, your nearly always way inside of the tracking of large guns. You can sometimes survive one large Nos, two and your surly done.
Most of the enconters I've had I was able to out tank BS's with ease. The real hard part is getting the slow cruiser into blaster range first.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.05.21 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth If your killing a BS in a deimos, your nearly always way inside of the tracking of large guns. You can sometimes survive one large Nos, two and your surly done.
Most of the enconters I've had I was able to out tank BS's with ease. The real hard part is getting the slow cruiser into blaster range first.
You've got an extra high slot. Fit a cloaking evice and hope he doesn't see/hear you warp in and cloak. Then approach him and the cloak will deactivate when you get within blaster range anyway. If he's going to be there for a long time and you know he visits this spot often (like a miner or someone who NPCs in the same belts all day or something), you could make a bookmark 500km out from the asteroid belt, fit the best cloaking device you could get your hands on (one of the modified ones that lets you keep extra speed), warp to that and cloak, then start flying toward the asteroid belt. That way it'll take ages but he won't be able to see you. A bit of a silly idea but it could work a few times.
And then, of course, there's ambushing the warp-in points to various objects.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2005.05.21 12:00:00 -
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Of the battleships I have killed in mine, it's always due to the fact that I want to kill them. I often spend some time using the scanner to figure out what they're flying, how they're flying it and what weapon systems they might be using. Only if I'm absolutely sure I can take them down do I engage - a Deimos is a rather expensive piece of equipment to lose.
The best things to kill are long-range Apocs and Mega-Ts, Armageddons - pretty much anything that doesn't rely on close-range or capacitor weapons to take down their enemy.
Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
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Lanu
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Posted - 2005.05.21 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dash Ripcock Of the battleships I have killed in mine, it's always due to the fact that I want to kill them. I often spend some time using the scanner to figure out what they're flying, how they're flying it and what weapon systems they might be using. Only if I'm absolutely sure I can take them down do I engage - a Deimos is a rather expensive piece of equipment to lose.
The best things to kill are long-range Apocs and Mega-Ts, Armageddons - pretty much anything that doesn't rely on close-range or capacitor weapons to take down their enemy.
Indeed.. and please dont be as stupid as me thinking the typhoon is mainly a turret ship.. 4 sieges and 4 nosses hurt.. ALOT.. .
boo
"You are most like the Cat, lazy and quiet. You aren't very exciting yet everyone notices your presence."
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Soros
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Posted - 2005.05.22 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Soros on 22/05/2005 13:21:30
Originally by: Dash Ripcock Of the battleships I have killed in mine, it's always due to the fact that I want to kill them. I often spend some time using the scanner to figure out what they're flying, how they're flying it and what weapon systems they might be using. Only if I'm absolutely sure I can take them down do I engage - a Deimos is a rather expensive piece of equipment to lose.
The best things to kill are long-range Apocs and Mega-Ts, Armageddons - pretty much anything that doesn't rely on close-range or capacitor weapons to take down their enemy.
IN my sacrelidge With the new missile changes I cant hold a tank against a raven with cruise OR torps as long as I keep out of nosferatu range, this is a differant style of fighting but it works very effectivly, all you need is a 24k scrambler :D
It may also be possible for a demios to do the same using rails
-= Soros =-
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