Originally by: Jhodas

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Has anyone Actually had one of these long enough to tinker with setups yet? Im aiming for one as soon as i have uber wallet lvl 5 and uber skills lvl 412938. For now contenting myself with a uber rax :)
Seriously tho, the diemos looks hot as. Those resists are ridiculous and the medium hybrid bonus takes this thing into BS damage league.
I have one gripe.
NO FECKING DRONE BAY!!!!
1000m? wtf?

Your thoughts ppl. Thank you.

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Originally by: Jhodas

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Has anyone Actually had one of these long enough to tinker with setups yet? Im aiming for one as soon as i have uber wallet lvl 5 and uber skills lvl 412938. For now contenting myself with a uber rax :)
Seriously tho, the diemos looks hot as. Those resists are ridiculous and the medium hybrid bonus takes this thing into BS damage league.
I have one gripe.
NO FECKING DRONE BAY!!!!
1000m? wtf?

Your thoughts ppl. Thank you.

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I think with good enough skills you may get 5x T2 neutrons and a medium nos in the highs and still have plenty of tanking in the lows.

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I think with good enough skills you may get 5x T2 neutrons and a medium nos in the highs and still have plenty of tanking in the lows.

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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A deimos for NPC'ing. That's sick.

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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A deimos for NPC'ing. That's sick.

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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I think with good enough skills you may get 5x T2 neutrons and a medium nos in the highs and still have plenty of tanking in the lows.

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Not possible, unless of course our definition of "plenty of tanking" varies a lot.

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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I think with good enough skills you may get 5x T2 neutrons and a medium nos in the highs and still have plenty of tanking in the lows.

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Not possible, unless of course our definition of "plenty of tanking" varies a lot.

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Originally by: Jorund Bork

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Quote:

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I think with good enough skills you may get 5x T2 neutrons and a medium nos in the highs and still have plenty of tanking in the lows.

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Not possible, unless of course our definition of "plenty of tanking" varies a lot.

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Damn I would only use 2 slots for mods to enable high slot fitting, ie, a T2 pdu and rcu.

Where is it short? CPU or PG?

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Originally by: Jorund Bork

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Quote:

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I think with good enough skills you may get 5x T2 neutrons and a medium nos in the highs and still have plenty of tanking in the lows.

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Not possible, unless of course our definition of "plenty of tanking" varies a lot.

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Damn I would only use 2 slots for mods to enable high slot fitting, ie, a T2 pdu and rcu.

Where is it short? CPU or PG?

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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A deimos for NPC'ing. That's sick.

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You can easily NPC with the same loadout you use for PvP so it's quite handy.

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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A deimos for NPC'ing. That's sick.

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You can easily NPC with the same loadout you use for PvP so it's quite handy.

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Originally by: Jhodas

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imho if you buy a deimos and go npcing, you need help. Its a waste. I believe this ship was meant for pvp. On second thouhgts, the drone bay is adequate, as 8 heavys AND the damage bonus would put this babys DoT through the roof.
6 week waiting list? man i wasnt one even more now!!!

As for using a baby as a hammer....

Y O U S I C K S I C K P E R S O N

the baby is always the nail

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Originally by: Jhodas

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imho if you buy a deimos and go npcing, you need help. Its a waste. I believe this ship was meant for pvp. On second thouhgts, the drone bay is adequate, as 8 heavys AND the damage bonus would put this babys DoT through the roof.
6 week waiting list? man i wasnt one even more now!!!

As for using a baby as a hammer....

Y O U S I C K S I C K P E R S O N

the baby is always the nail

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Originally by: Savage Quell

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5 * Heavy Electron Blaster II
1 * E50 Medium Nosferatu
1 * YT8 MWD
1 * Fleeting Propulsion Webifier
1 * Warp Scrambler
1 * Medium Armor Repairer II
1 * Explosive Hardener
1 * EM Hardener
1 * Magnetic Field Stabiliser II
2 * Cap Power Relay

et voila, have fun.

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Originally by: Savage Quell

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5 * Heavy Electron Blaster II
1 * E50 Medium Nosferatu
1 * YT8 MWD
1 * Fleeting Propulsion Webifier
1 * Warp Scrambler
1 * Medium Armor Repairer II
1 * Explosive Hardener
1 * EM Hardener
1 * Magnetic Field Stabiliser II
2 * Cap Power Relay

et voila, have fun.

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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Originally by: Savage Quell

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5 * Heavy Electron Blaster II
1 * E50 Medium Nosferatu
1 * YT8 MWD
1 * Fleeting Propulsion Webifier
1 * Warp Scrambler
1 * Medium Armor Repairer II
1 * Explosive Hardener
1 * EM Hardener
1 * Magnetic Field Stabiliser II
2 * Cap Power Relay

et voila, have fun.

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o_0 Looks very familiar.


Only fit that makes sense for all situations in my mind.

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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Originally by: Savage Quell

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5 * Heavy Electron Blaster II
1 * E50 Medium Nosferatu
1 * YT8 MWD
1 * Fleeting Propulsion Webifier
1 * Warp Scrambler
1 * Medium Armor Repairer II
1 * Explosive Hardener
1 * EM Hardener
1 * Magnetic Field Stabiliser II
2 * Cap Power Relay

et voila, have fun.

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o_0 Looks very familiar.


Only fit that makes sense for all situations in my mind.

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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It has naturally very high resistance, with the aforementioned setup using an Explosive, EM and Adaptive hardener, its resitance I believe is 82.5%, 60.625%, 85.78125% and 71.5625%. Swap the EM Hardener for a Thermal Hardener, and you have very high resistance against kinetic and thermal - the damage group blasters deal damage in.

It also has a lot of damage bonuses, very high cap recharge and due to having Gallente Cruiser 5, none of the cap penalties of an MWD. Under 10Km they pretty much beat the crap out of anything under the sun, bar a Raven or a close-range BS, simply because their armour is tough and with good cap recharge, and the guns are dishing out so much damage.

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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It has naturally very high resistance, with the aforementioned setup using an Explosive, EM and Adaptive hardener, its resitance I believe is 82.5%, 60.625%, 85.78125% and 71.5625%. Swap the EM Hardener for a Thermal Hardener, and you have very high resistance against kinetic and thermal - the damage group blasters deal damage in.

It also has a lot of damage bonuses, very high cap recharge and due to having Gallente Cruiser 5, none of the cap penalties of an MWD. Under 10Km they pretty much beat the crap out of anything under the sun, bar a Raven or a close-range BS, simply because their armour is tough and with good cap recharge, and the guns are dishing out so much damage.

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Originally by: Selim

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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It has naturally very high resistance, with the aforementioned setup using an Explosive, EM and Adaptive hardener, its resitance I believe is 82.5%, 60.625%, 85.78125% and 71.5625%. Swap the EM Hardener for a Thermal Hardener, and you have very high resistance against kinetic and thermal - the damage group blasters deal damage in.

It also has a lot of damage bonuses, very high cap recharge and due to having Gallente Cruiser 5, none of the cap penalties of an MWD. Under 10Km they pretty much beat the crap out of anything under the sun, bar a Raven or a close-range BS, simply because their armour is tough and with good cap recharge, and the guns are dishing out so much damage.

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Pretty much yes. I don't know what CCP was thinking, they made a monster. A close-range ship like the Vagabond can never compete - its got less cap for mwding, less defense, and less damage.

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Originally by: Selim

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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It has naturally very high resistance, with the aforementioned setup using an Explosive, EM and Adaptive hardener, its resitance I believe is 82.5%, 60.625%, 85.78125% and 71.5625%. Swap the EM Hardener for a Thermal Hardener, and you have very high resistance against kinetic and thermal - the damage group blasters deal damage in.

It also has a lot of damage bonuses, very high cap recharge and due to having Gallente Cruiser 5, none of the cap penalties of an MWD. Under 10Km they pretty much beat the crap out of anything under the sun, bar a Raven or a close-range BS, simply because their armour is tough and with good cap recharge, and the guns are dishing out so much damage.

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Pretty much yes. I don't know what CCP was thinking, they made a monster. A close-range ship like the Vagabond can never compete - its got less cap for mwding, less defense, and less damage.

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Originally by: Selim

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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It has naturally very high resistance, with the aforementioned setup using an Explosive, EM and Adaptive hardener, its resitance I believe is 82.5%, 60.625%, 85.78125% and 71.5625%. Swap the EM Hardener for a Thermal Hardener, and you have very high resistance against kinetic and thermal - the damage group blasters deal damage in.

It also has a lot of damage bonuses, very high cap recharge and due to having Gallente Cruiser 5, none of the cap penalties of an MWD. Under 10Km they pretty much beat the crap out of anything under the sun, bar a Raven or a close-range BS, simply because their armour is tough and with good cap recharge, and the guns are dishing out so much damage.

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Pretty much yes. I don't know what CCP was thinking, they made a monster. A close-range ship like the Vagabond can never compete - its got less cap for mwding, less defense, and less damage.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.

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Originally by: Selim

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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It has naturally very high resistance, with the aforementioned setup using an Explosive, EM and Adaptive hardener, its resitance I believe is 82.5%, 60.625%, 85.78125% and 71.5625%. Swap the EM Hardener for a Thermal Hardener, and you have very high resistance against kinetic and thermal - the damage group blasters deal damage in.

It also has a lot of damage bonuses, very high cap recharge and due to having Gallente Cruiser 5, none of the cap penalties of an MWD. Under 10Km they pretty much beat the crap out of anything under the sun, bar a Raven or a close-range BS, simply because their armour is tough and with good cap recharge, and the guns are dishing out so much damage.

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Pretty much yes. I don't know what CCP was thinking, they made a monster. A close-range ship like the Vagabond can never compete - its got less cap for mwding, less defense, and less damage.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 22/12/2004 11:54:04
Fighting another Heavy Assault, Sacrilidge included is more than most ships a case of Rock Paper Scissors.

For instance, I'm fairly certain that my own Deimos (changed after extensive 'testing' ) would fairly comfortably******any of the fits listed here. If however I warped in on a Zealot with damage mods he'd probably kill me before i got close enough to kill him.

It's a fairly strange thing with these ships but they do seem to have an excellent degree of versatility. More so than anything other than BS's and that makes them a scary thing because you don't know what you are fighting. I hate that.

Personally I usually fly around with an excellent blaster setup on mine. Other options are however good for the hilarity.

For instance if you want to watch gates in it, fit
5 Railguns,
2 Sensor Booster 2's,
a tracking computer
damage mods (and power if you need it)

The damage that does with t2 railguns and t2 damage mods is higher than a blaster setup and the range you can get is excellent, especially with the falloff bonus. You just don't have the defence. You do however have ages to warp out.


I will post my Blaster setup eventually, not yet though as I believe my advantage is too great :)

I'll send it to other long term Curse members though obviously. Eve Mail me

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 22/12/2004 11:54:04
Fighting another Heavy Assault, Sacrilidge included is more than most ships a case of Rock Paper Scissors.

For instance, I'm fairly certain that my own Deimos (changed after extensive 'testing' ) would fairly comfortably******any of the fits listed here. If however I warped in on a Zealot with damage mods he'd probably kill me before i got close enough to kill him.

It's a fairly strange thing with these ships but they do seem to have an excellent degree of versatility. More so than anything other than BS's and that makes them a scary thing because you don't know what you are fighting. I hate that.

Personally I usually fly around with an excellent blaster setup on mine. Other options are however good for the hilarity.

For instance if you want to watch gates in it, fit
5 Railguns,
2 Sensor Booster 2's,
a tracking computer
damage mods (and power if you need it)

The damage that does with t2 railguns and t2 damage mods is higher than a blaster setup and the range you can get is excellent, especially with the falloff bonus. You just don't have the defence. You do however have ages to warp out.


I will post my Blaster setup eventually, not yet though as I believe my advantage is too great :)

I'll send it to other long term Curse members though obviously. Eve Mail me

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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Oh, do tell!

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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Oh, do tell!

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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Oh, do tell!

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Not until I lose this ship in Combat (and so it becomes 'public' knowledge)

It's not too much of a radical departure from what is here but most of these fits are missing vital elements from the PvP equation. No doubt someone a lot better at combat than me will figure out a better general purpose one than I've got. I just haven't seen one yet.

I'm not trying to be a smarmy git lawding Uberness over people btw, any of my corp mates will back up the fact that I am a crap fighter. It's just I almost got owned by a Thorax when I was using the electron blaster fit and realised where I was going wrong.

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Originally by: fairimear

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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Oh, do tell!

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Not until I lose this ship in Combat (and so it becomes 'public' knowledge)

It's not too much of a radical departure from what is here but most of these fits are missing vital elements from the PvP equation. No doubt someone a lot better at combat than me will figure out a better general purpose one than I've got. I just haven't seen one yet.

I'm not trying to be a smarmy git lawding Uberness over people btw, any of my corp mates will back up the fact that I am a crap fighter. It's just I almost got owned by a Thorax when I was using the electron blaster fit and realised where I was going wrong.

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2004.12.30 19:18:00

Victim: Iratus Caelestis
Corporation: RONA-KIA
Destroyed Type: Deimos
Solar System: -----
System Security Level: 0.0

Involved parties:

Name: fairimear (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 4.7
Corporation: SUBLIME L.L.C.
Ship Type: Deimos
Weapon Type: Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I


now tell.

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Originally by: fairimear

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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Oh, do tell!

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Not until I lose this ship in Combat (and so it becomes 'public' knowledge)

It's not too much of a radical departure from what is here but most of these fits are missing vital elements from the PvP equation. No doubt someone a lot better at combat than me will figure out a better general purpose one than I've got. I just haven't seen one yet.

I'm not trying to be a smarmy git lawding Uberness over people btw, any of my corp mates will back up the fact that I am a crap fighter. It's just I almost got owned by a Thorax when I was using the electron blaster fit and realised where I was going wrong.

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2004.12.30 19:18:00

Victim: Iratus Caelestis
Corporation: RONA-KIA
Destroyed Type: Deimos
Solar System: -----
System Security Level: 0.0

Involved parties:

Name: fairimear (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 4.7
Corporation: SUBLIME L.L.C.
Ship Type: Deimos
Weapon Type: Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I


now tell.

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Originally by: Jazz Bo

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The Vagabond is a lot faster, it has missiles and guns that use hardly any cap, can choose damage types... it should stand a chance unless it allows the Deimos to get too close too fast.

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Originally by: Panzer

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Edited by: Panzer on 22/12/2004 14:29:31
Its a Deimos setup with 5 250 rails (named or tech 2) littered with 4-5 damage mods in low slots. While there are some various setups that could include sensor dampeners, etc, the base is 5 rails and a large amount of damage mods. You do similar DPS per second as blasters with 1 maybe 2 Dam mod, but you got more time to do that damage since you actually got range. It is very similar to the railthron/gankamega. Only problem is that a blasterdeimos can tank pretty good, while a deimos with rails can not tank much. But of course you do got time to warp out.

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Originally by: Steppa

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Deimos driver here...

How many of you theorists have actually had the grapes to take your shiny 75 mil ship into PVP combat? And that's just the cost of the ship. Not having tech 2 or named gear on a Deimos is just a waste. Crank that up to about 100 mil.

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Originally by: Maggot

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Ok, I just want to cry about my experiences of using the demios.

I lost my third one last night without a single kill. Grr.

Problems I find:
-Demios lock time stinks - any frig, assualt cruiser, or cruiser can escape before you get a lock on it (assuming u have web/mwd/scrambler fitted)
-Agility sucks so if you need to escape its a long time coming
-Tanking looks good on paper, but you will still go down to 2 rounds of torps from a raven, or to 30 seconds of fire from 3 BS using lasers.

You guys who say they are so cool are you catching ppl asleep or are you just part of a gank squad.

They suck for fleet combat and they suck for solo. All I can see them being good for is as a finisher.

btw - yes I am bitter, but really, I would like to know what you manage to use them for in PvP.

**Maggot walks back to the hangar and asks for his trusty Bellicose to be made ready**

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Originally by: Streetrip

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Edited by: Streetrip on 19/03/2005 02:23:38
hows this setup look?

2x heavy ion blasters I
3x light neutron blasters II
1x Prototype cloaking device

named 10MN MWD
web
scrambler

T2 med armor rep
2x active hardeners
2x CPRs
1x T2 mag field stabiliser

comments? Deals with inties fairly well, can lie dormant in a belt till a mining laser toting apoc comes your way, nice cloaky defence, big damage and RoF from both blasters, lotsa cap recharge to run everything pretty much constant altho chances are you dont need to

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Originally by: Steppa

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First of all, the Deimos is not designed to operate alone. It is one helluva damage-dealer, I know from direct experience, but it needs to be part of a group that compliments its abilities. I see the Deimos as a scale-tipper in small to medium fleet engagements. Get a flight of them together and they may tip the scales in large engagements as well (but we're still too rare for that).

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Originally by: Steppa

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First problem...loose the scrambler. Fly with tacklers and you don't need it. That frees up one of our precious mids.

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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High

5 * Heavy Electron Blaster IIs
1 * Medium Nosferatu II

Medium

1 * 10Mn MWD II
1 * Web (X5)
1 * Scrambler (7.5Km)

Low

1 * Medium Armour Reparirer II
2 * Armour Hardeners (EM/Exp)
1 * Cap Relay
2 * Magnetic Stab IIs

Drones

5 * Infiltrators (EM)
5 * Valkyries (Exp)

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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I've been flying a Deimos for several monthes now, and boy oh boy am I glad I put in the training time. These are simply fantastic ships to fly - both fast and powerful enough to make the perfect predatory ship. I've been tweaking my setup for some time now, swapping modules when new skills come in and so on, and I have arrived at this:

High

5 * Heavy Electron Blaster IIs
1 * Medium Nosferatu II

Medium

1 * 10Mn MWD II
1 * Web (X5)
1 * Scrambler (7.5Km)

Low

1 * Medium Armour Reparirer II
2 * Armour Hardeners (EM/Exp)
1 * Cap Relay
2 * Magnetic Stab IIs

Drones

5 * Infiltrators (EM)
5 * Valkyries (Exp)

I've found this setup to be excellent - with enough firepower to drop a battleship, enough speed to catch smaller craft and decent enough defences to fight off the toughest of enemies - bar the odd situation of course. The Deimos makes a fantastic hunter-killer ship, and if anyone is unsure whether to get one due to price and training time - trust me, they're worth it.

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Originally by: Maverick McDougel

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Should I go with heavy electron or ion blasters? that is my question- although I cannot fly the ship yet I am training for it as we speak. Just doing some math while being safespotted because of an Eagle that was in the area I did some math and came up with this set-up

5 x t2 Heavy Ion blaster
1 x small t2 nos
1 x Y-S8 (best named 10mn mwd, I forget the proper name)
1 x t2 sensor booster (for locking up ships fast and especially those pesky pods)
1 x ? (thinking either battery or cap recharger t2)
1 x t2 medium armor rep
1 x t2 rcu
1 x t2 explosive armor hardner
1 x cpr
2 x t2 damage mods

I am short on the power grid and that seems to be a problem, would it be wiser to swap the ions for electrons and do away with the rcu?

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Originally by: Gariuys

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Atm:

3x Heavy Ion II, 2x Electron II 1x med nos II
1x MWD, 1x web, 1x target painter :D
1x Energized nano II, 1x shadow serp expl hardner, 1x RCU II, 2x Mag Field II

2x hammerhead, 2x vespa, 3x valkyrie, 3x infiltrator

web, paint, rape

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Originally by: Gariuys

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Atm:

3x Heavy Ion II, 2x Electron II 1x med nos II
1x MWD, 1x web, 1x target painter :D
1x Energized nano II, 1x shadow serp expl hardner, 1x RCU II, 2x Mag Field II

2x hammerhead, 2x vespa, 3x valkyrie, 3x infiltrator

web, paint, rape

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Missing a low slot there Gar... the Rep perhaps?

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Originally by: Jhodas

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Has anyone Actually had one of these long enough to tinker with setups yet? Im aiming for one as soon as i have uber wallet lvl 5 and uber skills lvl 412938. For now contenting myself with a uber rax :)
Seriously tho, the diemos looks hot as. Those resists are ridiculous and the medium hybrid bonus takes this thing into BS damage league.
I have one gripe.
NO FECKING DRONE BAY!!!!
1000m? wtf?

Your thoughts ppl. Thank you.

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Originally by: Ketsup

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Originally by: Jhodas

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Has anyone Actually had one of these long enough to tinker with setups yet? Im aiming for one as soon as i have uber wallet lvl 5 and uber skills lvl 412938. For now contenting myself with a uber rax :)
Seriously tho, the diemos looks hot as. Those resists are ridiculous and the medium hybrid bonus takes this thing into BS damage league.
I have one gripe.
NO FECKING DRONE BAY!!!!
1000m? wtf?

Your thoughts ppl. Thank you.

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Well im sorry Jhodas but a Diemos aint nothing like a battleship for starters everything is a lot smaller and although it seems to be a hard hitter I could only describe it as a newb Dominix yes thats right =)and for the same price.
Dont own one maybe im a little jellous but during pvp with vs a diemos in a tempest I annihilted its shields with two 1400mm's (T2) and into armour then its just a case of beserkers, cruise launchers and time for its cap to dry out and run off :p
Damn neat cruiser but only get one if ur uber - dont specifically plan your skills to get one u'd be disappointed

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Originally by: Voltron

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Just got my deimos......omg this thing is insane. Here's what im usin atm while waiting for T2 med hybrids.

3 x anode electron
2 x limited ion
1 x med diminishing

1 x named 10mn mwd
1 x named web
1 x named disruptor

1 x med T2 rep
1 x active exp hardener
1 x energized adaptive nano
1 x T2 pdu
1 x passive explosive
1 x mag stab 2

5 x infiltrator
5 x valkyrie

After reading this thread I've come to the conclusion that the extra passive explosive should be dropped for a 2nd mag stab 2 and the energized adaptive should be swapped out for an active em?

Volt

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Originally by: LUKEC

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attacking raven in HAC = suicide. If he has npc setup he will drain you as hell, if he has pvp, he will blow you to dust

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Originally by: kwoodward

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till you are sure with your ship fit something like this, it's a good start and you shouldnt get killed as bs will be unlikely to scramble you.

4 ion's t2 1 electron t2
mwd(named not t2),named web,named scram
2wcs(named),mag stab2,explo hard,med rep (t2 if it fits)

once your sure or if you just have WAYYYYY too much money just fit 3 magstab2's
you should be wrecking in the 700 regions which is insane for a cruise with 60-80% dmg resists

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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A deimos for NPC'ing. That's sick.

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You can easily NPC with the same loadout you use for PvP so it's quite handy.

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I meant because its like using a baby as a hammer. Sure it works but its still just wrong.

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Originally by: Hopka Fleip

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But wot i cant see on this topic is wot ammo is used, is it anti matter for in ur face damage?? but then u could not keep up the MWD speed? or iron/lead for a bit of extra range less damage?

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Originally by: Hopka Fleip

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But wot i cant see on this topic is wot ammo is used, is it anti matter for in ur face damage?? but then u could not keep up the MWD speed? or iron/lead for a bit of extra range less damage?

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You shouldnt be flying a deimos if you are asking this question.

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Originally by: Gariuys

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Originally by: Hopka Fleip

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But wot i cant see on this topic is wot ammo is used, is it anti matter for in ur face damage?? but then u could not keep up the MWD speed? or iron/lead for a bit of extra range less damage?

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You shouldnt be flying a deimos if you are asking this question.

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Agreed

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Originally by: Gariuys

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A simple question you should understand the answer too when flying a deimos.

But it's no, you don't use anything but antimatter in blasters... ever. The range difference is too small, there are no other damage types you get. And trading damage for a cap is a very very poor trade off for a blaster boat since you exist for dps, and dps only.

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Originally by: Hopka Fleip

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Originally by: Gariuys

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Originally by: Hopka Fleip

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But wot i cant see on this topic is wot ammo is used, is it anti matter for in ur face damage?? but then u could not keep up the MWD speed? or iron/lead for a bit of extra range less damage?

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You shouldnt be flying a deimos if you are asking this question.

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Agreed

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LOL!!!!1 u guys are funny!!

Any1 got any good points to make, over the great comments of Ren and Stimpy here?

All i asked was a simple question!

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Originally by: Lanu

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I was making a new setup for my deimos when I saw a guy say on this forum its possible to get 750+ DPS...

Well I have my deimos for like 2 months now.. got hac lvl 5 and medium blaster spec lvl 4 but 750+ dps? I think I dont even get that with 5 tech II Heavy neutron blasters 2 rcu II and 4 damage mods ( max damage setup ). Can somebody enlighten me how this could be possible?

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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Originally by: Lanu

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I was making a new setup for my deimos when I saw a guy say on this forum its possible to get 750+ DPS...

Well I have my deimos for like 2 months now.. got hac lvl 5 and medium blaster spec lvl 4 but 750+ dps? I think I dont even get that with 5 tech II Heavy neutron blasters 2 rcu II and 4 damage mods ( max damage setup ). Can somebody enlighten me how this could be possible?

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I've never run the calculations myself - what DPS do you get with the above setup? Have you factored in drones? I myself fought a Deimos on Sisi with a maximum-damage setup using my more rounded Electron II setup (posted somewhere here I think), and he won by a single volley. I don't think he had an MWD fitted either, so it wasn't very suitable for general TQ fighting.

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Originally by: Lanu

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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Originally by: Lanu

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I was making a new setup for my deimos when I saw a guy say on this forum its possible to get 750+ DPS...

Well I have my deimos for like 2 months now.. got hac lvl 5 and medium blaster spec lvl 4 but 750+ dps? I think I dont even get that with 5 tech II Heavy neutron blasters 2 rcu II and 4 damage mods ( max damage setup ). Can somebody enlighten me how this could be possible?

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I've never run the calculations myself - what DPS do you get with the above setup? Have you factored in drones? I myself fought a Deimos on Sisi with a maximum-damage setup using my more rounded Electron II setup (posted somewhere here I think), and he won by a single volley. I don't think he had an MWD fitted either, so it wasn't very suitable for general TQ fighting.

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Tought it was somewhere around 615 DPS ( still very high IMO ) but ill try it again today.

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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Hammerheads have a 2-second rate-of-fire, so you have to divide 180 by 2 to get the real figure-per-second: 90 DPS on the drones (provided you can fly ten at a time i.e. Interfacing V, with Heavy Drone V as well - not something many people can be bothered to get).

As for the guns - that's an interesting way of doing it - most people take (Damage Mod (when fitted) * Damage of Ammo * Number Of Guns)/Rate-Of-Fire (when fitted). For example, I use Electron IIs with two Mag-Stabs IIs - if I remember correctly giving (with SS V, M Hybrid IV and HAS V) a 6.0x damage modifier, with a 1.78 ROF and antimatter gives 24 total points of damage i.e.

GUNS = (6.0 * 24 * 5)/(1.78) = 404.5 DPS
DRONES = 90 (for arguments sake)
TOTAL = 494.5 DPS

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Originally by: Gariuys

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Ehm that 400 dps was from electrons and 2x mag field. ( quite a different setup from yours )

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Originally by: Lorth

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If your killing a BS in a deimos, your nearly always way inside of the tracking of large guns. You can sometimes survive one large Nos, two and your surly done.

Most of the enconters I've had I was able to out tank BS's with ease. The real hard part is getting the slow cruiser into blaster range first.

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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Of the battleships I have killed in mine, it's always due to the fact that I want to kill them. I often spend some time using the scanner to figure out what they're flying, how they're flying it and what weapon systems they might be using. Only if I'm absolutely sure I can take them down do I engage - a Deimos is a rather expensive piece of equipment to lose.

The best things to kill are long-range Apocs and Mega-Ts, Armageddons - pretty much anything that doesn't rely on close-range or capacitor weapons to take down their enemy.

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Originally by: Dash Ripcock

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Of the battleships I have killed in mine, it's always due to the fact that I want to kill them. I often spend some time using the scanner to figure out what they're flying, how they're flying it and what weapon systems they might be using. Only if I'm absolutely sure I can take them down do I engage - a Deimos is a rather expensive piece of equipment to lose.

The best things to kill are long-range Apocs and Mega-Ts, Armageddons - pretty much anything that doesn't rely on close-range or capacitor weapons to take down their enemy.

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Originally by: Taaser

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Edited by: Taaser on 30/05/2005 03:10:45


High

5x Heavy Ion Blaster IIs
1x Medium Nosferatu II

Medium

1x 10mn MicroWarpdrive II
1x Dread Gurista Warp Disruptor
1x True Sansha Stasis Webifier

Low

1x Medium Armour Reparirer II
5x Magnetic Field Stabilizer IIs

Drones

1x Berserker
1x Praetor
1x Ogre
1x Wasp

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Originally by: Gariuys

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The problem with a all electron setup is the lack of range. Now I know this sounds stupid, but a electron deimos dies quite easily to several other short range HACs, including but not limited to a ion deimos.

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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis

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The first time you get webbed you will be glad you've got Ions on.

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Originally by: Jhodas

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Dude, do the maths. With HAC lvl 5, the difference in falloff is about 1500m.

Now if you're flying this thing the way you should (i.e. trying to get in range as quickly as possible) 1500m shouldn't make to much of a difference because you could be doing anywhere between 200 and 400m/s by the time you reach optimum range.

Rails are a different story, but the fact is that blasters have such limited range and falloff compared to other weapons that range bonuses are almost moot.

I've been doing a lot of maths myself since i started this thread, and am mere days from flying one of these mmonsters.

I personally would go with electrons + NOS for smaller squads, or Ions without a nos for larger squads.

:)

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Originally by: Gariuys

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Edited by: Gariuys on 13/04/2005 11:29:48
Atm:

3x Heavy Ion II, 2x Electron II 1x med nos II
1x MWD, 1x web, 1x target painter :D
1x med armor rep II, 1x Energized nano II, 1x shadow serp expl hardner, 1x RCU II, 2x Mag Field II

2x hammerhead, 2x vespa, 3x valkyrie, 3x infiltrator

web, paint, rape

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Originally by: Steppa

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Deimos driver here...

How many of you theorists have actually had the grapes to take your shiny 75 mil ship into PVP combat? And that's just the cost of the ship. Not having tech 2 or named gear on a Deimos is just a waste. Crank that up to about 100 mil.

A couple of things will make most of these setups a complete waste of money because you're going to loose your ship.

First of all, the Deimos is not designed to operate alone. It is one helluva damage-dealer, I know from direct experience, but it needs to be part of a group that compliments its abilities. I see the Deimos as a scale-tipper in small to medium fleet engagements. Get a flight of them together and they may tip the scales in large engagements as well (but we're still too rare for that).

First problem...loose the scrambler. Fly with tacklers and you don't need it. That frees up one of our precious mids.

Second problem, all of the guys I've talked to that have killed Deimos in single combat did so by using a Nos on them. None of the setups I've seen accounts for that. In fact, I see it as our main achilles heel. A battleship's large nos is going to be the trigger that makes you turn and run. The only thing I can come up with (if you're on your own with no EW BB backup) is a really good weapons disrupter. I don't think many pilots are expecting that.

Third problem...jamming. With the EW changes that are coming, this could get dicey. Especially if you're flying solo pvp, you almost have to have a tech 2 sensor backup. Bear in mind that most of the EW setups only have three multi-racial jammers so do what you need to do to make the math work out in your favor. Sensor damps don't really effect us that much, aside from lock time, because we're up their asses anyway.

I could be way off on these points, but these are some of the things I've run into whilst PVPing in my Deimos. By the by, I think we're stuck with tech 2 electrons. Anything stronger doesn't allow for enough flexibility in other areas.

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Originally by: Skrypt

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Wow... that looks beautiful. Do you need the SS items to meet the PG requirements?

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Originally by: Gariuys

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ATM I'm running:
5x ION II ( adv. weapon upgrades 4 FTW ), diminishing med nos
1x SS 10mn mwd, 1x fleeting web, 1x pwnage painter
1x med rep II, SS energized adaptive nano, SS expl hardner, 2x mag field II, RCU II

10x hammerhead II ( need to train up for the other t2 med drones )

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Originally by: Ange1

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My Deimos was worth up to a billion a bit ago before I lost it in a great little HAC fight we had. I was slowly building it up with faction modules. I managed to recover some of them in that fight so while still very expensive, its not quite as uber as it was. I hope to get more though. I've been flying Deimos cruisers for 10 months now, I've lost 13 of them in that time and I still have not maxed out my skills for them yet. Here was my setup:

Hi:
3x Heavy Electron II
2x Light Neutron II
1x Thons Modified Cloak

Med:
1x 10MN MWD II
1x Domination Web (15km/90%)
1x True Sansha Warp Disruptor (28km)

Low:
1x Centum A-Type Medium Armour Repairer
1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plating
1x Dark Blood Explosive Hardener (55%)
1x RCU II
1x Dark Blood Cap Relay (25%)
1x True Sansha Cap Relay (25%)

Drones:
10x Valkyrie II's

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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sorry to be an ass but its no wonder you've lost 13 of them if you use a setup like that. Ive seen some crap deimos setups before but that takes the biscuit. Small guns, a cloak, lots of cap relays and kinetic drones??? Did you just think if you threw enough money at it it would be an uber setup regardless of what you put on it? Sorry but W T F was you smoking when you came up with that setup?

(P.S. im having a bad day at work so ignore the harshness of the post)

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Originally by: Eight Ace

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Everyone, or most on the thread seem to favor ions though - whats the deal with that?

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Originally by: Eight Ace

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I would appreciate the opinion of some more experienced guys on my current deimos setup.

I mainly use this for ratting and it works a treat.

Hi : 5 x Heavy Neutron Blaster II / antimatter.
Med : Named Webber, Tech II 10MN AB, (Painter / Cap recharger not settled on one or the other yet )
Low : Energized adaptive II, N-Type explosive, Repper II, 2 x RCU, Mag Field II.

Drone bay I initially fitted with warriors because I was worried about frigs and intys but once webbed they go down in a shot or two, techII drones coming soon(tm)


Everyone, or most on the thread seem to favor ions though - whats the deal with that?

Someone enlighten me please becuase I am loving this setup to bits but I am a bit concerned it's not going to 'hac' it (lol) in PVP.

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Originally by: Eight Ace

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Actually I dont think I can - if I remember right it needed like 2 extra CPU.

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Originally by: MrCjEvans

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my setup.

5x ion II
1xmwd 1xwebber 1xscramb

1xmed repII 1x xp hardner 2x mag stabs 1x 400mm tungsten 1x RCU

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Originally by: kar wai

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NPC Setup:

HIGH: 5 * 250mm II'2 + small remote armor repair (couldn't fit anything else)
MED: AB II, caps II, caps II
LOW: Hard II, Hard II, Small repair II, Small Repair II, RCU, Mag Stab II
(2 smalls do as much as 1 med; you loose a low slot, but it saves a PG)

Between 15-30km everything is toast in notime. Dam mod = ~8.
Below 15km: unleash the Tech2 drones!


I'd like to improve this setup. Any comments?

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Originally by: Gh0ST Ryder

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hi's
5x ion2's
1x med nos named

mid's
1x domination 10mn mwd
1x 7.5k scram
1x fleeting web (90%)

low's
1x hardener explosive
1x med repairer
2x mag stab 2's
2x cap relay

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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Last i checked Ion IIs + Medium NOS + MWD + Medium repper II does not fit without any grid modules

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Originally by: Gh0ST Ryder

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hi's
5x ion2's
1x med nos named

mid's
1x domination 10mn mwd
1x 7.5k scram
1x fleeting web (90%)

low's
1x hardener explosive
1x med repairer
2x mag stab 2's
2x cap relay

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