.... is this accurate?

.... is this accurate?

yeah just invent 425 railguns

Next important thing for you is in order to keep it profitable, you should produce as many commodities needed for the T2 BPC yourself.

OK, here comes the truth, just to troll the other inventors in here:

Invention is profitable if you invent and build the right things.
Don't bother with T2 ships, you will lose money and why people are still producing them and keep selling them below raw mineral value is beyond me.
Stick to the stuff that people frequently use, like ammo and modules. Regarding modules, you should favor those that are commonly used multiple times on a single ship- like weapons or weapon upgrades, just check your market interface and see what sells.
The rest depends on where you plan to sell your stuff. In deep highsec ppl will be more interested in modules for industrial ships or for typical PVE ships (Raven, I'm looking at you!).
Closer to low sec there is always a constant demand for smaller, gankier modules. (like our beloved 150 mm AC II, for example).
Next important thing for you is in order to keep it profitable, you should produce as many commodities needed for the T2 BPC yourself. You can get some via PI, others ("ship components" like nanomechanical microprocessors or graviton pulse generators) you can buy BPOs and research them very quickly to 100% material efficiency.
You still need to buy the moon mining materials like fullerides for example from the markets- it will cost you a fortune, but usually you can make about 50-150% profit regarding that investment.

Hope that helped.

Funny thing is that some of the least profitable items are the ones that can ONLY be made by invention.

Invention is profitable if you invent and build the right things.
Don't bother with T2 ships, you will lose money and why people are still producing them and keep selling them below raw mineral value is beyond me.
Stick to the stuff that people frequently use, like ammo and modules. Regarding modules, you should favor those that are commonly used multiple times on a single ship- like weapons or weapon upgrades, just check your market interface and see what sells.
The rest depends on where you plan to sell your stuff. In deep highsec ppl will be more interested in modules for industrial ships or for typical PVE ships (Raven, I'm looking at you!).
Closer to low sec there is always a constant demand for smaller, gankier modules. (like our beloved 150 mm AC II, for example).
Next important thing for you is in order to keep it profitable, you should produce as many commodities needed for the T2 BPC yourself. You can get some via PI, others ("ship components" like nanomechanical microprocessors or graviton pulse generators) you can buy BPOs and research them very quickly to 100% material efficiency.
You still need to buy the moon mining materials like fullerides for example from the markets- it will cost you a fortune, but usually you can make about 50-150% profit regarding that investment.

This is ignoring your costs for invention itself but thats nominal.

In response to the people saying bpos don't affect prices they are wrong. Any missle, ammo or Crystal bpo will produce much cheaper items than can be invented. Partly due to datacores but mostly due to the fact that they will always have much better me. So the materials cost is a lot lower. This IS reflected in most market hubs. You cannot break even at materials cost with invention.

I honestly don't understand how people figure Invention to NOT be profitable. Either they all just don't want people in their market, or they actually believe what they're saying.

Pick any decently traded T2 Item (ship, module, ammo, anything that moves at a reasonable quantity), do the math on BPC costs + material costs, and 90% of them will probably turn out to be profitable.

Here, I'll do one for you (prices from EVE-Central, capital costs not included):

...Math...

Yeap, not profitable at all. All the prices were rounded up and bought from sell orders anyway, with increasing margins the more effort you put into it (buy off buy orders, sell on sell orders). This took me maybe 5 minutes, and with a little spreadsheet magic you could have your own list of over 100 items in no time at all.

Invention is profitable, if you're not braindead.

Yep, Exactly

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/6367/425autocannon.jpg

Profit is one thing. Then there is time to build (isk per hour), managing manufacturing lines and alts, understanding the market, how fast you can move items, and then logistics to name a few others. I like T2 for these reasons. T3 is even better. If you are looking for some quick isk without much effort, missions or mining are probably better for you.

Minerals I mine are FREE

This is why items end up on the market at a price lower than its component parts. Yes by all means do what pussnheels says but always give those minerals/datacores/whatever you obtain yourself a price that way when you do come to sell your product you don't end up selling the item below market cost.

I honestly don't understand how people figure Invention to NOT be profitable. Either they all just don't want people in their market, or they actually believe what they're saying.

Pick any decently traded T2 Item (ship, module, ammo, anything that moves at a reasonable quantity), do the math on BPC costs + material costs, and 90% of them will probably turn out to be profitable.

Here, I'll do one for you (prices from EVE-Central, capital costs not included):

425mm Autocannon II:

BPC COST:
ONE ATTEMPT:
1x max run Autocannon copy (make them yourself): 0
2x Datacore - Mechanical Engineering: 500k Jita sell orders
2x Datacore - Nuclear Physics: 410k Jit sell orders
TOTAL: 910k

Success chance (all skills at level 3): 46%
Therefore approx. cost per BPC = 910k / 0.46 = aprrox. 2 mil.
Therefore cost per run = 2mil / 10 = 200k

MANUFACTURE COST (one run):
BPC: 200k
Pyerite x 761: 3.5k
Mexallon x 743: 25k
Tritanium x 494: 2k
Thermonuclear Trigger Unit x 10: 360k
Morphite x 8: 30k
Robotics x 3: 170k
R.A.M Weapontech x 0.4: 30k
Noxcium x 2: 1k
T1 Module x1: 150k

TOTAL MANUFACTURE COST FROM SELL ORDERS: 971k
APPROX BUY ORDER PRICE: 1.3mil

Invention is profitable, if you're not braindead.

1) If you're going to separate the 'invention' from the 'production' then please don't waste your time arguing. You can have it, it's not even worth it. Just FYI though, there's no market for buying T2 BPCs (hence why you cant profit from just selling them), so you can't run a serious 'production' line without 'inventing' yourself, so why bother even separating?

2) The majority of T2 items, with the exception of those with incredibly low sales volume, are profitable. Please try not to make such far reaching statements without providing an example of an item, with a decent volume move, that's unprofitable.

2 )I have to somewhat disagree w/ you on this one. Incredibly low volume sell items are just a different way of storing potential. I recently (within the last month or two) had a good lot of Small Hull Repairer II's and Small Shield Transporter II's sell for a killing stretched over a great deal of time.

1) If you're going to separate the 'invention' from the 'production' then please don't waste your time arguing. You can have it, it's not even worth it. Just FYI though, there's no market for buying T2 BPCs (hence why you cant profit from just selling them), so you can't run a serious 'production' line without 'inventing' yourself, so why bother even separating

The majority of T2 items, with the exception of those with incredibly low sales volume, are profitable. Please try not to make such far reaching statements without providing an example of an item, with a decent volume move, that's unprofitable.

.... is this accurate?

i was linked this calculator that shows component prices, etc and it was saying more things the invention+build is unprofitable, but some of it's prices were grotesquely wrong when compared to eve-central (despite this tool claiming it came off eve central).


so.. is it worth while to do invention?
what about invention then building with those BPCs?


or are there just too many of those damn impossible to acquire T2 BPOs in game?

2 takes some time to grind missiosn to acces r&d agents with theright datacores you need
costs: nothing you even get rewarded for it end the end result free datacores more than you will use

Are you stupid?

I could easily run 300+ invention jobs per day. Thats thousands of datacores per week! Even with the best research agents and research project management 5 (6 agents) you would come nowhere close to generating enough datacores in a month to run 1 day of invention jobs!

Now I had done this on all 9 characters, I might have came close to getting half the needed datacores.

So finally, unless you're just outright lying to stop people getting into invention, please run the numbers before trying to say something isn't profitable.

Emphasis mine.

I know that this can in some ways be mitigated by using decryptors but nevertheless it really is worth doing the math because often you come up with a loss.

With some time invested

MINERALS I MINE ARE FREE

Anyway the datacores i buy from my R&d agents are more than enough to cover all my inventions and guess what i don't have to pay over the top prices for them

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It's called opportunity cost, but then again someone as stupid as you probably can not understand that.

Before you call someone stupid
It is idiots like you that are rich enough to pay for my 4 plexes and still make more money than me with less effort each month

I Although the "profit" can be higher if you use your own datacores, PI material,.

I see we have another idiot in this thread.

So you are one of those people who made my trader account VERY VERY rich
And who says i am doing 100 s of jobs each week i am not
invention isn't the only option for a industrial carreer ,i actually started on invention because it was something new and a next step in my eve carreer
BTW before you wonder ...i have 4 accounts and this isn't my industrial character

Anyway the datacores i buy from my R&d agents are more than enough to cover all my inventions and guess what i don't have to pay over the top prices for them

Next time think before you call someone stupid