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Spankable Delight
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:38:00 -
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I realise that CCP are only talking about giving us SP as a gift for the extended downtime but having read a few of the other threads there seems to be a lot of resistance to the idea of them ever offering skillpoints for sale and I'm curious why. I'm a relatively new player myself and am not really sure I understand why this seems to be a hot topic, beyond the "we have been playing this game longer and don't want people paying to catch up."
Thoughts?
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Carebear Claire
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:40:00 -
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I too feel like trolling the forums.
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Your Client
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:42:00 -
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Because the 300,000+ other players had to do it.. Its a right of passage to say you had the patience to train for that cap ship. If you want a sp, adopt a character.
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Spankable Delight
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Carebear Claire
I too feel like trolling the forums.
Well, only one of us is trolling, so take it back under your bridge, please.
Originally by: Your Client
Because the 300,000+ other players had to do it.. Its a right of passage to say you had the patience to train for that cap ship. If you want a sp, adopt a character.
Ok, but wouldn't that also invalidate both character sales and buying ISK? How would buying SP be different from buying cash?
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Legs Mackenzie
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:44:00 -
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As a successful aluminium magnate, I shall spend hundreds of thousands of dollars creatingan elite alliance of super pilots to take over swathes of nullsec 
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:45:00 -
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The "we have been playing this game longer and don't want people paying to catch up" crowd would crap and complain. But CCP as a business will do whatever they like to make $$$. If they decide they want to sell skill points, they will. Weather or not that is a bad thing, different story...
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Yalneg Splet
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:45:00 -
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The reason that would upset so many people is,
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 24/06/2010 19:47:25
Originally by: Spankable Delight
Originally by: Carebear Claire
I too feel like trolling the forums.
Well, only one of us is trolling, so take it back under your bridge, please.
Hypocrite troll.
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:48:00 -
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Buying implants or buying a character is buying SP.
I await your disagreement.
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Trespasser
Caldari
Black Rise Minutemen
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Spankable Delight
I realise that CCP are only talking about giving us SP as a gift for the extended downtime but having read a few of the other threads there seems to be a lot of resistance to the idea of them ever offering skillpoints for sale and I'm curious why. I'm a relatively new player myself and am not really sure I understand why this seems to be a hot topic, beyond the "we have been playing this game longer and don't want people paying to catch up."
Thoughts?
you just said it your self, older players such as my self didnt have the luxury of just paying for skill points to get ahead. No one should beable to buy skill points to "catch up", training skills the hard way is how people learn to pilot there ships right.
I can see this now, 4 month old noob buys 10,000$ in skillpoints and loses titan in low sec to gate guns because he doesnt know how to warp.
if they ever put a way in this game to buy skill points im sure alot of the 03-04 players would leave, whats the point? we have been playing for all these years and for some noob with mommys credit to just buy a load of SP to get ahead is just dumb
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Spankable Delight
I realise that CCP are only talking about giving us SP as a gift for the extended downtime but having read a few of the other threads there seems to be a lot of resistance to the idea of them ever offering skillpoints for sale and I'm curious why. I'm a relatively new player myself and am not really sure I understand why this seems to be a hot topic, beyond the "we have been playing this game longer and don't want people paying to catch up."
Thoughts?
It would end Eve. Instantly.
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Spankable Delight
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Spankable Delight on 24/06/2010 19:50:48
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 24/06/2010 19:47:25
Originally by: Spankable Delight
Originally by: Carebear Claire
I too feel like trolling the forums.
Well, only one of us is trolling, so take it back under your bridge, please.
Hypocrite troll.
There's a difference between asking a legitimate question, and spamming the forums with the crap, like you do. But good job on confirming you really ARE a troll.
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
It would end Eve. Instantly.
Not sure if you're being facetious or not, but if you're being serious then how?
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Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Buying implants or buying a character is buying SP.
I await your disagreement.
Buying implants allows you to get a better return in SP for your time investment.
Buying characters still requires someone to invest time training them.
Buying SP negates the requirement to invest time - it is fundamentally different to the two examples you gave.
Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist
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Zofe Stormcaller
Shadow Company
Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:51:00 -
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Sell a plex then use the isk to get a supply of +5 implants, then get skills faster and just replace them when you die.
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Lupalis Longtail
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:52:00 -
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The better way is to pay someone else to play for you.
Me, for instance.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Buying implants or buying a character is buying SP.
I await your disagreement.
I strongly disagree.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:53:00 -
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Why would you want to pay to not play the game?
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Clansworth
Dissident Aggressors
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:54:00 -
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I think a large part of it is game quality. The ability to buy skill points would result in inexperienced players piloting 'higher level' ships. This already is shown with the sale of characters, though to a lesser degree. The in-game character progression is slow paced to allow a player to grow WITH the character, and learn all the intricacies of eve-space along the way. Buying sp would only result in many 'buying' their way into the higher levels of gameplay, without the knowledge to properly use it, or really even get the full enjoyment out of it.
Words of wisdom: Eve is just as much fun for a 2 week character running level ii's in a tech 1 frig as it is for a 2 year character running level IV's in a BS. That's the beauty of eve... It really is scaled quite well for early, AND late players.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:55:00 -
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I think it would alienate a lot of players, and personally speaking, I wouldn't continue any of my subscriptions when the time and money I have invested into EVE becomes irrelevant when someone that is willing to spend that kind of money can suddenly skip "steps".
I believe much of the purpose with the game would be lost in the process.
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth
I think a large part of it is game quality. The ability to buy skill points would result in inexperienced players piloting 'higher level' ships. This already is shown with the sale of characters, though to a lesser degree. The in-game character progression is slow paced to allow a player to grow WITH the character, and learn all the intricacies of eve-space along the way. Buying sp would only result in many 'buying' their way into the higher levels of gameplay, without the knowledge to properly use it, or really even get the full enjoyment out of it.
Words of wisdom: Eve is just as much fun for a 2 week character running level ii's in a tech 1 frig as it is for a 2 year character running level IV's in a BS. That's the beauty of eve... It really is scaled quite well for early, AND late players.
Those words of wisdom are so much more comforting when you're the 2 year old character.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Spankable Delight
Edited by: Spankable Delight on 24/06/2010 19:50:48
Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 24/06/2010 19:47:25
Originally by: Spankable Delight
Originally by: Carebear Claire
I too feel like trolling the forums.
Well, only one of us is trolling, so take it back under your bridge, please.
Hypocrite troll.
There's a difference between asking a legitimate question, and spamming the forums with the crap, like you do. But good job on confirming you really ARE a troll.
And how is your question any more legitimate than mine you self righteous bald *****?
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Boogie Bobby
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:59:00 -
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It takes away the idea of progression. If you want to buy your SP go ahead, the Character Bazaar forum is a few lines below this one. Making SP available directly for purchase and addition to your current character would ruin the game. If you want that mechanic go play farmville or all the other terrible browser based $$ to get ahead games.
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Menellaix
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:59:00 -
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Timecode Bazaar -
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=544711
Character Bazaar -
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=734105
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Exploding Tukey
Gallente
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:00:00 -
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How would you feel if suddenly CCP said that everyone can fly capital ships which did 100% dmg irrelevant to sig radius, speed, or angular velocity. would you be happy then any character coming out of trial got a free ship with the same skillset that you worked months to train for, months to farm money for the ship and fitting and then suddenly realized that all the work you did is useless.
this is from the player standpoint.
From CCP, when players feel this alienated, they have no reason to play. When you are good you deserve to be good, and when you a nerfed down to the level of people that you worked so hard to overpass, people will lose the reason they keep playing the game.
MMO games in general lose their appeal after only a few months, and what keeps people playing after that is both dedication to their friends online, corp, or just the feeling they get knowing that every day they log in they can go out and kill people which they overpower.
If people quit, CCP loses, corps break down, markets crash and nobody wants to play eve.
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Exploding Tukey
How would you feel if suddenly CCP said that everyone can fly capital ships which did 100% dmg irrelevant to sig radius, speed, or angular velocity. would you be happy then any character coming out of trial got a free ship with the same skillset that you worked months to train for, months to farm money for the ship and fitting and then suddenly realized that all the work you did is useless.
Good Fights!
Sorry... wrong answer?
PS, how would the situation you describe come about? I'm interested to know. It seems as though you are suggesting there might be a secret army of millionaires waiting to buy everybody a new character the moment CCP start selling Skillpoints. Just wondering...
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Hecatonis
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:11:00 -
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well there isnt really a need to buy skill points.
unlike other games it doesnt take too long to become really good at something.
i have an 8 month old char here. i am the main DPS for my entire corp. i can also fly many different kinds of ships and fly them well.
becoming a great frig pilot only takes a couple months. 3 if you spend the first month on learning skills like i did. you can "catch up" with the old players in no time, you might not be able to win every fight with them, but you can hold your own without too much problem. and with faction ships being retaliative cheep you only really need to aim for t2 guns, and thats not very hard at all.
dont bother buy SP, buy the time you have the ability (skill wise) to fly these ships, you will be able (experience wise) to fly them.
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rootimus maximus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Trespasser
I can see this now, 4 month old noob buys 10,000$ in skillpoints and loses titan in low sec to gate guns because he doesnt know how to warp.
I don't think for one minute that they're going to let us buy skill points, but if they did, wouldn't your example be win for everyone?
The newbie gets to fly the l337 titan, the industry guys are suddenly seeing demand increase, which has a knock-on effect for the two guys who mine without macros. Meanwhile, the old hands get a lot more chances to blow up supercaps. Heck, even some of the forum warriors win, because they can laugh at the tears from the newbies who just lost their supercarrier.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Clansworth
I think a large part of it is game quality. The ability to buy skill points would result in inexperienced players piloting 'higher level' ships. This already is shown with the sale of characters, though to a lesser degree. The in-game character progression is slow paced to allow a player to grow WITH the character, and learn all the intricacies of eve-space along the way. Buying sp would only result in many 'buying' their way into the higher levels of gameplay, without the knowledge to properly use it, or really even get the full enjoyment out of it.
Words of wisdom: Eve is just as much fun for a 2 week character running level ii's in a tech 1 frig as it is for a 2 year character running level IV's in a BS. That's the beauty of eve... It really is scaled quite well for early, AND late players.
Those words of wisdom are so much more comforting when you're the 2 year old character.
... who, like everyone else, went through the process of being the 2 week old character and has the perspective to know what he is talking about. 
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Clansworth
I think a large part of it is game quality. The ability to buy skill points would result in inexperienced players piloting 'higher level' ships. This already is shown with the sale of characters, though to a lesser degree. The in-game character progression is slow paced to allow a player to grow WITH the character, and learn all the intricacies of eve-space along the way. Buying sp would only result in many 'buying' their way into the higher levels of gameplay, without the knowledge to properly use it, or really even get the full enjoyment out of it.
Words of wisdom: Eve is just as much fun for a 2 week character running level ii's in a tech 1 frig as it is for a 2 year character running level IV's in a BS. That's the beauty of eve... It really is scaled quite well for early, AND late players.
Those words of wisdom are so much more comforting when you're the 2 year old character.
... who, like everyone else, went through the process of being the 2 week old character and has the perspective to know what he is talking about.
So every two year old character knows what he's talking about?
What if I've been playing eve for over six years? Can I know what I'm talking about too?
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Barakkus
Spacelane Innovation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Why would you want to pay to not play the game?
Training skills isn't exactly playing.
To the OP: nou!
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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