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Vallek Arkonnis
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Posted - 2010.07.29 00:33:00 -
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The Jovians crave knowledge, seemingly of anything. As we know they have removed the instinct of aggression out of their DNA, and as a result from that and other modifications are now threatened with extinction.
What they are so interested in is how aggression works, hence the infiltration in every empire; to monitor every conflict, to take notes.
Why bother?
Because they still have at least one basic instinct intact; self preservation. Aggression seems to be inherent in every human being, once they removed basic instincts that's when the problems with their DNA's stability began. Perhaps the conclusion they came to is that aggression is a necessary evil in the human condition. The whole point of their study is to reintegrate aggression into their DNA to stabilise their condition. This is merely the latest experiment to that end.
It's obvious the Jovians have the power to wipe out that Nation fleet. Even if the Nation took that station from them (rather than it having been given to them), how do we know the Jovians just didn't let it go? Has there been any other documented instance of any group successfully attacking them and winning? How do we know that the Jovians didn't provide (perhaps through a proxy) the Nation with the technology to turn those 200,000 captives into mindless pilots for that fleet? And a fleet like that doesn't just show up on a weekend. A fleet like that takes time to amass, if it was really a threat to the Jovians would they just let it happen under their noses? My gut says if they're not aligned with the Nation then they're allowing this to happen. The Nation is the pawn in this and we're being forced to be the mouse in the maze.
The Jovians want to sit and watch, study what it takes for enemies to become allies even temporarily, and then aggress a greater threat. Or to see who will turn their aggression for more opportunistic reasons.
They want us to fight, but not to die. They will not let us face an insurmountable foe, we hold the key to their continued existence.
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Marikitus
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Posted - 2010.07.30 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Marikitus on 30/07/2010 12:42:37
 Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
1+ Sansha battlestations.
3+ Titans.
43+ Carriers.
12+ Dreadnoughts.
8+ Supercarriers.
Hundreds of battleships.
Thousands of support cruisers and frigates.
My friend thats imposible.....they cant be there because the "severe spatial distortions" Lag
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iyammarrok
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Posted - 2010.07.30 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: iyammarrok on 30/07/2010 13:38:43
am i the only one who has been paying attention for the past 5 years?
the jovians have seen something comming. what that thing is i do not know... but i have ideas.
in the past 5 to 10 years they have been slowly granting the empires, and specifically the capsuleer community access to more and more powerful technology... mostly the technologies of war.
then, during this 'covert' building of the empires into front line fodder, we decide to start figting amongst each other. which from a purely logical standpoint, is a terrible waste of resources.
now we find, a large threat that could cause all 4 of the empires to have to group together and ALLY WITH ONE ANOTHER to combat.
also... i have heard unsubstantiated reports of jovian wrecks being thrown out of the eve gate.... energy pulses and other wrecks at and around point genesis....
i worry too much i know... but too much points towards one simple truth.
the terrans are returning to take back what is theirs. and we are in the way
the sleepers seemingly began to wake up soon after jamyl saruum used teran tech to annhialate a minmatar/thukker fleet. so perhaps they also are either preparing the way for the terrans )as i gather the sleepers are building stations that could easily house humans) or they are preparing a safe haven to hide from the approaching storm.
i hope, and ferverently pray that i am wrong.
may the winds of fate shelter us all.
**edit** @ Vallek Arkonnis ... well... there is obviously a history of people assaulting the jovian race and winning... at least twice in the jovian histories.... hence the reason they are on the third jovian empire. whether those battles were internal, or as part of the ancient wars that we, in the empires, have only recently learned about is another matter entirely.
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Sibylla Aldanar
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Posted - 2010.07.30 22:41:00 -
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The First Empire collapsed due to unknown reasons, but we know that the Jovian Elders were involved in it. The Second Empire collapsed due to the Jovian Disease, after which they built the three Jovian Motherships that carried the unharmed Jovians to their new home in J7HZ-F and A821-A. We also know that both the First and Second empires were based in Curse, with Utopia as the heart of their empire.
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Tera Mcbitchypants
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Posted - 2010.07.31 00:19:00 -
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There gonna hot drop us.
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Arthainas
Amarr
Black Hand Templars
The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.31 22:43:00 -
[246]
Terrans...... Hmmmm his statement makes me wonder, what if this, Sansha the Jove are both Terran puppets? What if the terrans did not disappear as thought?
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Sinjin Mokk
Amarr
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.08.02 13:21:00 -
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Does anyone currently have any evidence that the Jovians still exist as a government or even a people?
Tales of the Dark Amarr
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Arvo Katsuya
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.02 18:17:00 -
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...I have my suspicions they do, Mr. Mokk.
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Mia Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.03 09:41:00 -
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To the best of my knowledge, repeated requests for comment/official position made to Jove Directorate, their diplomacy, agents and even SoCT reps were not even acknowledged in the recent past.
Jovians seem disappeared.
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Altair DarkAce
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Posted - 2010.08.05 06:24:00 -
[250]
And so we see the end of the beginning...
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END GRAVE
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.08.05 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Altair DarkAce
And so we see the end of the beginning...
What is the end but a new beginning?...
If Nation gained control over a Jove station and are using it and its tech, and when we defeat Nation that tech will be ours, think of the possibilities...
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Sinjin Mokk
Amarr
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:23:00 -
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I agree Mr. Grave.
The group or government who gains possession of that technology could very well end up ruling the stars for the next thousand years, couldn't they?
Tales of the Dark Amarr
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Blood Saber
Amarr
Revolutionary United Front
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Posted - 2010.08.05 21:54:00 -
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After reading everyones thoughts and taking a close look at the photo, i'd have to say the Nation is perparing for an attack. I will also have to say this is probably a small portion of their fleet. I know i might sound far fecthed in this idea, but if you think strategicly what would be the best way to cause a commotion amongst us capsuleers and with the heads of the empire. This is one way to keep us from seeing past the truth and keeping us to bicker amongst one another. It's true we don't have much information on the situration, but isn't that what we should be doing. Shouldn't we be trying to figure out what the Nations true goals are?
As for the Joves' being involed, all i can really say is, i'm not sure. I can spectulat like everyone else but i'd rather have some facts to go off of, before making a true statment. If someone has information on this please let us know, this would give us a bigger insight on the problem that lies before us.
For the last point that i came across and have ponder much on, the situration with CONCORD. They have alot of power, though they don't use this power cept doing certain times, the problem i see with them is they have a source of technogoly, that for some reason out stips most capsuleers and empires combine. Yes i do know that Jove technogoly is what help bring CONCORD into existence, the problem i see is this: If the Nations found out how to use Jove technogly from the station they have in their possesion, wouldn't this in terms allow them to take control of CONCORD? CONCORD being the means of preventing captial ships fighting in high secuity space, keeping the peace between the 4 empires, and making sure we capsuleers don't get too out of hand. If the Nation were to gain control of CONCORD though Jove technogoly, wouldn't their plans be a bit closer to completetion. Which means they can in turn take what they truly desire, every living being in the galaxy.
Maybe my theories are a bit far fecthed but i truly believe that we might have a greater problem on our hands if we don't take action sooner instead of later. Of course we need more facts and information on the situration. Only then would we be truly perpared for what will take place. I hope that by sharing the theories i have will help unravel this mystery.
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Alex Rendez
INESTO Task Force
Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2010.08.07 17:36:00 -
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Is that a Jovian titan? =o
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.08.07 17:44:00 -
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A thought occurs.
Pound for pound, we capsuleers are worth a lot more than the average Sansha drone. Or really, the average anything.
If Sansha's stumblegoons have found a way to Jovian space, why haven't we? We are supposed to be better than them. I suggest we re-focus our campaign from the defensive, where it has conclusively proven to be completely ineffectual... and go on the offensive. No more capsuleer rallies to defend systems as Sansha attacks pop up, because those end up with hundreds of thousands taken away, even with the best resistance we can muster.
It's clear the Jovians are no longer capable of holding their own space. Perhaps it is time we bashed our way through the wormholes until our ships are parked on main street, Joveville. Perhaps it is time we seized the technology they were unwilling to employ due to their existential malaise. Unlike them, we still have a reason to keep living.
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Ellis Croix
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Posted - 2010.08.07 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
If Sansha's stumblegoons have found a way to Jovian space, why haven't we? We are supposed to be better than them.
They are not limited by CONCORD regulations on what they can experiment with and/or on. We are. Perhaps Haeldone Dorgiers can answer this question; if we capsuleers presented a potential technology to counter this threat would they want us to use it? If we presented the schematics of a "device" (if it were even possible) that could do exactly what Nation can with these point defect anomalies, would they let us use it?
It's not that there is no way to get there. It's that we're not allowed to. If capsuleers had the technology of the Jove it would be the end of the Empires, and potentially us.
I don't think we have the numbers - yet - for such an undertaking, and we certainly do not have the unity that such a task would require. We would be at each other's throats for a larger take, more resources, better fights. Of course that also puts into sharp contrast the apparent position of Sansha's Nation.
I agree. The defensive battles need to end. We are making no progress, and Sansha's Nation has the advantage. They can apparently choose the time and place of an engagement, and by this time should understand the extent of our response capabilities. We need more information and better tools to effectively confront this threat.
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar
Forsaken Legions
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.08.08 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ellis Croix
It's that we're not allowed to.
It would be very useful if we could use technology we already have (but which CONCORD bans from use in Empire) to speed our defensive response to Nation. I'm specifically thinking about jump bridges and cyno's. I don't know about everyone else but setting up a small jump bridge network for SYNE/FCORE fleets would be very useful and might save many lives.
With regards the state of the Jovian people I think the revelations of this True Plague creature are very grave. It can obviously remotely hack implants when it's in close proximity of someone, kill them, and animate their body, and, it can do it to someone with highly advanced implants. If the recent information is correct she took out an entire research station full of true slaves, single handedly. Who knows what True Plague did to any Jovians who are not in stasis, nor what malevolent surprises she may have left behind.
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Vorengard
Caldari
BREAKING-POINT
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Posted - 2010.08.08 14:24:00 -
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A thought occurs to me. Perhaps the exact purpose of Sanshas atacks is to draw to our atention that he has control of Jovian Technology. Imagine that you had the power to atack anywhere, any place at any time. Imagine you could call up wormholes at your own free will and then use them to move massive numbers of ships across the galaxy instantly. You could hit your enemies any time, any where from anywhere with whatever you wanted. Now what would you give for this power? How many people would you be willing to kill? What reasources would you not expend to gain control of such an ability?
Perhaps Sanshas true design is to devide us all over our desire for this strange new Tech of his. There isn't a capsuleer in the galazy who would not sell his soul for such a tech, even if it were just so he could re-sell it to another for billions. And what would happen if the capsuleers were on the verge of aquiring such tech? Would not the Empires themselves fight to the death to obtain it, even if it were solely to prevent the capsuleers from having it? Can not the same be said for CONCORD?
No friends it seems to me that the best way for Sansha to devide us all is by filling us all with such a great desire for his own powers that we tear each other apart fighting for it. It would be all the powers of New Eden destroying each other for possesion of this new technology, and all the while Sansha slinks around in the backround completely unnoticed, doing whatever he pleases while the galaxy tears itself apart around him.
We must be very careful indeed.
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lolchar
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Posted - 2010.08.10 12:08:00 -
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WE ARE SCREWED
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Vorengard
Caldari
BREAKING-POINT
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Posted - 2010.08.10 13:18:00 -
[260]
Originally by: lolchar
WE ARE SCREWED
Oh don't be hysterical. Where Kuvakai to be foolish enough to bring his forces out of his wormholes, where they are safe, he would quickly find the combined might of the Capsuleers decended upon him. Imagins the riches to be gained from destroying a Sansha Titan.....
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Rongidge
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Posted - 2010.08.10 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Rongidge on 10/08/2010 20:02:37
There was a interesting thought:
the terrans are coming back.
however, i dont think that this is entirely true.
I remember reading something about "hidden, cloaked and hard to find" terran stations in our universe. Maybe the Nation stumbled upon one.
and to all the sansha loyalists: since you dont tell us Kuvakeis plan it can only mean that we CAN stop it, so dont feel "almighty".
Real power comes from differences that are united, from bonds that are forged in war, either with friends, allies or enemies and i will NOT stand idly by while you take away the freedom of the people. if they want to join your ranks, i will not stand in their way, mostly cause this is the way i recruit the crews of my ships.
PS: if somebody is interested in a new kind of counteroffensive that could help us make our defense even more devastating, write me a evemail and i will relay some of the details to you.
This Statement is my statement and does not necessarily represent the opinion of my corp or my corpmates
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Runehouse
Caldari
The Hunt
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.10 21:19:00 -
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As I watch this discussion continue I am berated with countless decrees of violence, we will crush you, grind you to dust, obliterate you if you attack you monsters Sansha nation. I was born Caldari and of that nation I am Archura we are a people of monks, inventors, stargazers we are not brought up like the Cirves or the Deteis we are brought up with a greater compassion and understanding. But being Caldari also means if you believe in something you will fight to the bloody end to attain it we did gain independence from the Gallente after all. Well I believe in a world of peace for all and for me the Nation and the Master hath provided, I am utterly and completely ready to renounce the barbarities or the 4 empires renounce my status as that of a Caldari citizen to join and become a part of my utopia the Nation, to become a link in the chain great and small, and for this nation I would die a Citizen Capsulear. you so called gods may have enough power to wipe clean the 4 empires if the whim arises but what of those Capsulears whom believe in the Nation and that of the Master, you who would scoff at those numbers of ships in the link the master hath provided how then would you react if those numbers would be tripled by Citizen Capsulears. We do exist in numbers thought New Eden we are everywhere, how then would you react if we began to assemble and attack in numbers?
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cyberniee
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Posted - 2010.08.11 11:10:00 -
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I'd like to fight with you guys! but i cant figure out where to sign in, and where, in what solar system i need to be :S i hope someone can provide me with this info.
thanks
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Azure Blooder
Amarr
A Miner Dream
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Posted - 2010.08.12 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Runehouse
As I watch this discussion continue I am berated with countless decrees of violence, we will crush you, grind you to dust, obliterate you if you attack you monsters Sansha nation. I was born Caldari and of that nation I am Archura we are a people of monks, inventors, stargazers we are not brought up like the Cirves or the Deteis we are brought up with a greater compassion and understanding. But being Caldari also means if you believe in something you will fight to the bloody end to attain it we did gain independence from the Gallente after all. Well I believe in a world of peace for all and for me the Nation and the Master hath provided, I am utterly and completely ready to renounce the barbarities or the 4 empires renounce my status as that of a Caldari citizen to join and become a part of my utopia the Nation, to become a link in the chain great and small, and for this nation I would die a Citizen Capsulear. you so called gods may have enough power to wipe clean the 4 empires if the whim arises but what of those Capsulears whom believe in the Nation and that of the Master, you who would scoff at those numbers of ships in the link the master hath provided how then would you react if those numbers would be tripled by Citizen Capsulears. We do exist in numbers thought New Eden we are everywhere, how then would you react if we began to assemble and attack in numbers?
Personally i think your a bit off. Even if you did manage to pull off what you say, I truly believe everybody would stomp it down, quickly as possible. Your efforts to stip people of their free will, will grant even more people the power to fight you and the Nation. Though many would join the battlefields, i know i'm no fighter. Does that mean i'll just sit back and watch, well kind of. I will do my part by mining every roid i see and sending it off to those who need it most, mainly those who are making the ships for our brave soldiers fighting the Nation.
Azure Blooder, a miner
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Power is Knowledge
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Runehouse
Caldari
The Hunt
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.12 15:43:00 -
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Mr. Blooder it is a common misconseption, one the empires would want you to believe that Nation strips you of free will, that we forcebly abudct people, but this is simply not true. we have shown each member of the Nation the truth and the truth they have acpeted with open arms and joined nation of the own "Will" as you say.
Mr. Blooder i offer you the same chance at truth the same opertunity as those people on the planets were offed. if you are so inclined to listen with a open mind i would make the trip back to empire to enlighten you and show you what Nation is all about.
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Vlandril
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Posted - 2010.08.13 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Runehouse
Mr. Blooder it is a common misconseption, one the empires would want you to believe that Nation strips you of free will, that we forcebly abudct people, but this is simply not true. we have shown each member of the Nation the truth and the truth they have acpeted with open arms and joined nation of the own "Will" as you say.
Mr. Blooder i offer you the same chance at truth the same opertunity as those people on the planets were offed. if you are so inclined to listen with a open mind i would make the trip back to empire to enlighten you and show you what Nation is all about.
Please enlighten me/us on what IS Nation.
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Runehouse
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Posted - 2010.08.13 17:23:00 -
[267]
Very well Vlandril, please keep in mind I am no Amasador or Spokesman of the Nation however it is the civic duty of all citizens of Nation to help dispel the darkness surounding our utopia.
it is comonly known the Nation was founded some hundred years ago by the Master. He had imaganed a world of no constraints, a world of order and peace. The problem with a universal peace however there is no profit to be made no war to be had, no racial hatred to prolong, and so the empire united only this one time to crush the only notion of true harmony.
Now befor you say anything i would also like you to know that the Nation is not just a place marked in your neocom, but it is a idea, a desire, a will. It is the idea that peoples of all nationality of all makes and religions can work toether in a comon goal, the beterment of makind. It is in Nation that all hatred, prejudices Stereotypes are striped from the indevidual and what is left is the true human being. he or she dose not wish ill upon his or her fellow man but will work with him and for the furtherment of Nation itself to protect this hormony.
It is for this ideology that i left the waring State and the main capsuleer comunity. so long as one indevidual of Nation survives the idea will survivee for a idea is imortal so long as there is one man whom can cayry and spread this idea to new places and new people.
This Mr. Vlandril is what Nation is at its very core.
Truth is with Nation
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Niall R
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Posted - 2010.08.13 21:53:00 -
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We can tell only one thing from this photograph; that Sansha (or whomever is in his place) has amassed a fleet capable of laying waste to myriad planets.
I'm no expert tactian, or indeed an expert anything, however, it is not possible for this fleet to move into empire space as one.
It cannot use stargates, as it has many capital ships, and it cannot use natural wormholes, as their mass allowances wouldn't allow for half this fleet, let alone the whole thing. As some have said, they could be in possion of Jovian technology, which would make them capable of jumping over vast distances unhindered by laws and other obstacles.
But how would they have encountered this technology? The Jovians have, on the whole, been reluctant to relinquish any of their technology to any of the four main empires. Why would they act any differently toward Sansha's Nation? Promises of territory within empire space? The Jove fleet could anihilate us with ease. Alignnment of polictal veiws? Again, the Jovians would have wiped the floor with us by now. Did they take it by force? Although many of Sansha's vessels are bastardised versions of mainstream ships, they cannot have been modified so much that they could stand up to any large Jovian fleet.
In conclusion, I think we should wait. As I stated abbove, this fleet has no easy way to reach empire space. They probably realise this, and who knows? Maybe their current agenda isn't anything to do with us. They might be focusing on the Guristas, or the Blood Raiders.
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Ferroto Baggins
Caldari
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.13 21:53:00 -
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does this mean possible jovian tech comming into the game 
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Fournone
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Posted - 2010.08.14 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Fournone on 14/08/2010 22:48:49
Originally by: Ferroto Baggins
does this mean possible jovian tech comming into the game
((this is the roleplay forum ferrtot, please act in character))
So the sansha have fleet, they hacked into a CONCORD ship, are nearing the 13 million mark on thier mass kidnapping, are in Jove space, and the empires think the Nation is not a threat. That about some it up?
Its not the nations actions that distrup me its the fact that the empires and CONCORD are turning a blind eye to them. With the Jove still silent, something must be wrong. I feel a storm is coming, the winds of time are changing, we are at a crossroads. Do not do it for yourself, fight for others, others who may be saved through your efort.
'What we do now, we do for the survival of our species, only we can rescue us from ourselves. It shall come to pass, that the fires in the depths of our souls, shall return those who will defie us, to the hell from whence they came, for there can be no destiny but our own.'
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