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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari Project Daedalid
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Posted - 2010.06.27 04:00:00 -
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Master is not the only one who seeks another path. There are those who see the Jove for what they really are; manipulators, fallen and alone. We see their mistakes for what they are. We see your mistakes for what they are.
We acknowledge the truth you tell us. You knew we saw. We few. You seem, however, to be making a rather daring leap in logic, Master. You assume your path is better than theirs. You assume your path is better than ours.
You fail to realize that you are part of their plan, and you play into it even now. In your own hubris, you continue down a path so unwavering as to lead, yet again, to folly. You are, yourself, not as omnipotent as you believe, Master.
End this. Let us speak, let us find another way. Your followers speak of beauty, of a shining glory. The path of destruction you seem dedicated to fight through is no true path. It is a path of consumption. A path of destruction. A path out of balance.
You fail to understand that compromise may be reached in your current position.
Look in The Mirror, Master. See the path you follow... the path so close to the one you seek to fight. See the Truth...
...or is it that you already have, and you are afraid of it's implications? Are you afraid your truth is so close to theirs? Or do you seek to take their place?
We ponder this... and the beautiful Chaos you have brought. We wonder if you have the will and patience to bring order to it. True order. Not the imposed order of subservience, but the order of true acceptance.
There are greater foes, dear Master. Perhaps you lack the vision to make sense of it.
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Gosakumori Noh
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Posted - 2010.06.27 04:07:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Citizen Astur
Just as this truth will not be easy to accept, but you capsuleers are much more powerful than you think.
Given the number of capsuleers who already think they are "gods," I am skeptical you have spent much time around many. However, you are fundamentally correct in asserting that there can be no progress without struggle. But for a conflict to be a "struggle," the outcome must be uncertain.
Is Nation uncertain?
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Iture
Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.27 04:23:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Citizen Astur Be warned,
Never threaten us peon.
We capsuleer's are gods. We are immortal and invincible. Your great nation may have many thousands of ships, but our collective has a great many more. We use and abuse this system, do not meddle in things you do not have the power to fully control. Angering the whole will result in your destruction. Be careful in how you speak to us.
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Kyonoke Kuvakei
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Posted - 2010.06.27 04:49:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Master Kuvakei
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu It's Jovian.
No, my dear boy. It's mine.
I see you have a few new ships... nice to see that shopping trip a while back was so effective. Stupid, ISK-drunk capsuleers. They'll run any errand, buy any item, any blueprint and ship it damn well anywhere for enough ISK... I must admit, using any one of them as an errand boy to help get this ball rolling was a good idea, but then you do seem to have so many, mmm? |

Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.06.27 05:11:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Iture
Originally by: Citizen Astur Be warned,
Never threaten us peon.
We capsuleer's are gods. We are immortal and invincible. Your great nation may have many thousands of ships, but our collective has a great many more. We use and abuse this system, do not meddle in things you do not have the power to fully control. Angering the whole will result in your destruction. Be careful in how you speak to us.
And yet this great wrath stops cold in its tracks against CONCORD. It is not us this posturing should be directed to. Your immortality would not survive very long if not for the people you so carelessly toss aside.
Greatness comes not from individuality, but from unity. Together as a whole is the magnificent done. If you truly were worthy of your position as a god, you would understand this and know it to be true. ______
True Slave Foundations Overseer |

Iture
Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.27 05:16:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Ghost Hunter
Greatness comes not from individuality
I would beg to differ.
A small fleet of thukker tribe vessels wiped out the heart of concord. How easy would it be for the tens of thousands of us to scour the empires clean and supplant ourselves as rulers? We like the way the cluster is, slave. It would be unwise to upset the balance.
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Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.06.27 05:22:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Iture
Originally by: Ghost Hunter
Greatness comes not from individuality
I would beg to differ.
A small fleet of thukker tribe vessels wiped out the heart of concord. How easy would it be for the tens of thousands of us to scour the empires clean and supplant ourselves as rulers? We like the way the cluster is, slave. It would be unwise to upset the balance.
Your path will not continue forever.
Your sickening and debased ways of mass murder and genocide will insure that mankind rejects you. Your foundation will crumble and shatter, with it all your supposed glory.
Nation is offering the truth and it is offering a road to redemption. You can overcome your own flaws with us.
If you find what I say untrue, then you are unworthy of your power. Your hubris will insure your demise for you are utterly blind from the truth. ______
True Slave Foundations Overseer |
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Citizen Astur
True Power
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Posted - 2010.06.27 05:29:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Ghost Hunter Greatness comes not from individuality, but from unity. Together as a whole is the magnificent done. If you truly were worthy of your position as a god, you would understand this and know it to be true.
You speak as He would, brother. These words move me to tears. Kuvakei saw something in you, and I cannot see how he did from so far away.
You should know we were there, brother. For the people of Tama, and for the rebirth.
You think you have struck the weakest link. We are Nation. We are all great, we are all small.
I am at a loss for words. In your humility is our hope. This unity still transcends my own understanding, and yet again I am humbled by the greatness of the path before us.
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Iture
Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.27 05:48:00 -
[99]
You can never hope to match the power of the capsuleer alliances. I dare you to challenge our might. But i know you will not come, for we will grind the nation into dust.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira. Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.06.27 05:57:00 -
[100]
Rallence Ameteves. Does that name mean anything to you, Ms. Astur?
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Crazey Monkey
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Posted - 2010.06.27 06:14:00 -
[101]
You do not understand Astur, your plans will not hurt the empires but unite them. We will set aside our differences to beat you down back into the darkest parts of space. Your threat to us, is a blessing not a curse as YOU will stop all bloodshed between the empires. For that I will thank you, as we knock you down to our feet.
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RAPTOR22il
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Posted - 2010.06.27 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: RAPTOR22il on 27/06/2010 06:16:28 Hey sansha nation, we, the great caldari state will not stand any act of agression on our space. Make a move, and the caldari wrath will be all over you faster then a blink of an eye. We advice you to stay in your WH, and perepare defensive perimeter, we are coming for you. all of the nations will call to one flag, to kill the heretic. you cant change things you helped to create. all the enemys of the state, republic, federation and concuil will be crushed to the ground.
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari Project Daedalid
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Posted - 2010.06.27 06:24:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Citizen Astur
Originally by: Ghost Hunter Greatness comes not from individuality, but from unity. Together as a whole is the magnificent done. If you truly were worthy of your position as a god, you would understand this and know it to be true.
You speak as He would, brother. These words move me to tears. Kuvakei saw something in you, and I cannot see how he did from so far away.
You should know we were there, brother. For the people of Tama, and for the rebirth.
You think you have struck the weakest link. We are Nation. We are all great, we are all small.
I am at a loss for words. In your humility is our hope. This unity still transcends my own understanding, and yet again I am humbled by the greatness of the path before us.
You, as he, know nothing of unity. We know the truth. We saw it. We heard it. We felt it. We still run from your Truth. I do not mean the Jove. I mean Nation in it's present state. They run from it too, in their own way. You run from it. If you don't, it only shows your ignorance.
Unity is not something to be forced. Your slaves speak truth. We see their hidden messages, their truth shining through.
Slaves beget slaves, Citizen Astur. Death is the domain of the individual, Citizen Astur. Even your words, so carefully chosen...
Quote: You think you have struck the weakest link. We are Nation. We are all great, d2UgYXJlIGFsbCBzbWFsbA.
We understand, Citizen Astur. Your nzqgnzignzugnzqgnjg is safe with us. They do not understand my message, yet. I know that you do. He understood it, in the end. That is the point, isn't it?
What I do, I do out of unity. What I do, I do out of love. You are not so different from me. I can see it. I can feel it. We wonder, what part of you belongs to Nation? What is it that you do not wish to see?
I will tell you what I told him; I will be here. I will be here until the end. Waiting. What is it that I'm waiting for, my dear? Your Master knows. It is the same thing he is waiting for. You have already said it; I wonder, do you truly comprehend, or are you simply a mouthpiece for your Master?
We await your response.
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Jayrendo Karr
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Posted - 2010.06.27 06:32:00 -
[104]
Bah! If they're stupid enough to attack us CONCORD wil be on they're asses. If they attack the Jove then ell.
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Gosakumori Noh
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Posted - 2010.06.27 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Iture You can never hope to match the power of the capsuleer alliances. I dare you to challenge our might.
This is an intriguing dare. Nation possesses the ability to deliver its fleets anywhere. It need not concern itself with the logistical difficulties of traversing space, but can pick its battles precisely. Here you have a challenge from a representative of the formidable Atlas.
Does Nation have the will to prove itself on them?
The outcome of such a contest would be "instructive" either way, to be sure.
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Serpentii Salvi
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Posted - 2010.06.27 07:37:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Citizen Astur
The truth is that the Jove are not as omnipotent as they want the rest of the cluster to believe. Too few of you have questioned, over the years, just how much it serves their own interests to cultivate such a mythology.
How could we proove them wrong? We couldnt even enter their bloody Empire
If you realy want to **** thoose Jove guys off, let some Rouge Drones in their space. I'm quiet sure that the Drones will be happy of a new Empire to claim :)
PS: Not to impressed by your fleet. Even Capsuleers get greater Numbers in Fleets...
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Anile8er
FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.27 07:38:00 -
[107]
Are you sure that is Jove space??? Looks alot like the IT roaming gang we were forming up in 1dh... for those that don't know 1DH is a 0.0 system... its not part of the whole I pay to play EVE as a role player who runs missions in safe empire space with little to no risk of encounturing real combat..
TL;DR
short version is Im trolling... kinda
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Natelia
Minmatar Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2010.06.27 08:01:00 -
[108]
Ahaha, reading you old folks going around on this topic is really hilarious.
"I have the power to destroy you!" "Nu-uh." "Oh but I really do!" "Nu-uh." ...hi-la-ri-ous.
Mr. Astur sir, do the Nation have an youth organization?
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Torquil Noble
Caldari Giant Toads Ate my Pod
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Posted - 2010.06.27 08:15:00 -
[109]
Why do they always attack the Caldari State?
Don't they realise that we are just tradesmen - ./chuckle
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Zarch AlDain
GK inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.27 08:27:00 -
[110]
Interesting intelligence all around.
Perhaps the station possession is a sign that the "jovian disease" has progressed further than people realised. It's entirely possible that they had withdrawn from the system having no longer had the people to occupy it - and then (possibly assisted by a rogue jovian as per the historical link above) Sansha simply moved in to an empty and unclaimed system.
As for immortality and lack of aging. We are all immortal. It simply suggests he gained access to cloning technology earlier than the empires did. In fact it's possible that Sansha gaining access to it was a motivating factor for the Jovians to hand it out to everyone!
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Wedgetail
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Posted - 2010.06.27 08:35:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Citizen Astur
You lead nothing but a gang of thugs seeking violence. Maut showed this much. You saw we were not there, you realized this much, and yet you "fought" anyway. Against what? Stop kidding yourselves. Your interest is in glory, in violence, and not the welfare of baseline humanity.
You fail to realise something in all your assumed collective wisdom....
We are not one entity of many minds and bodies at its command, we are many individual minds and bodies come together as one entity to oppose you if you are as wise as you believe you are you should fear our collective individual determination.
Concord and yourselves are both trying to achieve peace, the difference is in your methods and means.
Concord will more than happily uphold a common law and wait for as long as it needs to for us to reach where we are going.
Nation attempts to force peace on us before our time, through forcibly abducting civilians.
Being what we are we engaged at Maut for many reasons, with those you have stated being among them. you must also remember nation are not our only foes and are not worth our undivided attention - you are not so much of a threat to us at this time.
Your master help you should we ever deem your destruction a worthy enough cause to warrant taking up arms solely against nation.
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D'ceet
H A V O C
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Posted - 2010.06.27 09:25:00 -
[112]
whats going on in this channel?
looks interesting...
Originally by: CCP Soundwave Hahaha what the christ?!
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KoffeeKup
Caldari Adderberry Sspectre
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Posted - 2010.06.27 09:34:00 -
[113]
Need I remind all of you, our immortality exists only because of a shell that sits in a sterilized space lab light years away? We are not truly immortal, we are only hermit crabs scuttling about in an endless sea, finding a new home as we out grow out or break our shells. We like to call ourselves such because we don't like to believe that only a decade or so ago we were as fragile as the "mortals" that inhabit the planets bellow us. We can be killed, it only requires a simple mistake or a spike through our new homes cranium. We are so delusional, we can only stave off death as long as we have a new shell to crawl into. Be careful with your words, as the words "God" or "Immortal" are overstatements. We are nothing with out the people that clone us....
As for the threat of the Nation, I don't think that they would even think of attacking and of the 4 faction's directly yet. They want to eventually lure us out into their space by becoming such a threat to the faction's that we will be forced to make a move. That is when they will strike, right when we think we have the upper hand.
We cannot assume that is the whole force yet either. There is obviously more somewhere else, and after this little slip up, I'm sure that there won't be another sighting like this again for a long time if they're smart. And to just assume that they can't control all of those ships is underestimating the Nation, and I don't think that the Jovian station was just left there unattended by Jovian's. They covet their knowledge so much that to just leave it there would be incredibly stupid of them. I think that they would have destroyed the station before abandoning it there. And judging by the lack of Jovian ship's, I would say it was gifted or at least loaned to Sansha for the time being. What ever the Jovian's got out of the deal is beyond me. But they have always been very interested in the Nation's history. The man that founded the Nation was quiet interesting to them. The State got Capsule technology for military secrets, ship schematics, maps, and a lot of other things that in the long run are really just little in the grand scheme of things. I wouldn't be surprised if Sansha got that station for less than that.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.27 09:37:00 -
[114]
The danger isn't so much the size of the Nation fleet, but their artificial wormhole capabilities and isolation from other means of travel. While it remains to be seen whether there is a mass limit on their generated wormholes they could at least transport a Leviathan. If that is near the upper limit it means that even if a counter-attack through the wormholes could be performed the defenders would have a serious guns advantage, especially as the Jovian system they're based in is well out of cynosural field jump range of 'normal' space.
It also gives them unparalleled mobility and potential for force concentration - while all empires and many capsuleer alliances can field larger fleets none can travel such long distances anywhere near as rapidly and without warning.
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KoffeeKup
Caldari Adderberry Sspectre
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Posted - 2010.06.27 09:41:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Ghost Hunter
And yet this great wrath stops cold in its tracks against CONCORD. It is not us this posturing should be directed to. Your immortality would not survive very long if not for the people you so carelessly toss aside.
Greatness comes not from individuality, but from unity. Together as a whole is the magnificent done. If you truly were worthy of your position as a god, you would understand this and know it to be true.
I believe what I am saying is supported here as well.
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Torquil Noble
Caldari Giant Toads Ate my Pod
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Posted - 2010.06.27 09:42:00 -
[116]
Originally by: KoffeeKup Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:38:32 Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:37:07 Need I remind all of you, our immortality exists only because of a shell that sits in a sterilized space lab light years away? We are not truly immortal, we are only hermit crabs scuttling about in an endless sea, finding a new home as we out grow out or break our shells. We like to call ourselves such because we don't like to believe that only a decade or so ago we were as fragile as the "mortals" that inhabit the planets bellow us. We can be killed, it only requires a simple mistake or a spike through our new homes cranium before we can inhabit it.
Yes, we might be killed as you say, however, there are hundreds if not thousands of Caldari behind me ready to defend our State...
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Weynard
Caldari Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.06.27 09:52:00 -
[117]
The thing that makes me sad is that only a very small part of the capsuleer community has given it a thought that, like Ghost Hunter already expressed, their current way of life and also that of the planets' populace has lead to nothing but mayhem. Sure, violence is inevitable and goes hand in hand with change but the way violence is usually applied is... deeply disgusting. A big part of the capsuleers opposing Master come only for the money or for, wait for it, the "fun". Once they hear of an ongoing liberation, they rush to the scene without thinking about ideals or values except for that of the bounty that has been set on the heads of our brothers and sisters. And where the risk is too high for the reward for the credits' slaves, bloodthirsty pirates appear that ravage everything in sight, caring in no way for any motivation than their own... to kill.
What I truly hope for is that the capsuleers start seeing what their past ideals have done to them and what they have become, that change is critical and right within their reach.
To those whose mind is still sharp and undamaged by the far too common malicious intent to destroy without sensible purpose, who were yet to be corrupted by the words of the empires, I can only say think beyond. Enter the realm of bliss where capsuleers already fight hand in hand to disrupt this way of life, supporting each other whereever they can. Unite under the banner of Master Kuvakei. Follow the Nation and make New Eden a better place to live in for us all.
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Commander Darren
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Posted - 2010.06.27 09:58:00 -
[118]
Interesting,
Such determination on both sides is a virtue but to what end.
Will this battle of wills not only ships every come to an end?
No Battle will have all vessels in the one place, All people in the one gathering. And although we have learned a lot from the intel thus far, i fear there is something else that is currently unknown.. its this that is concerning me most.
When the time comes and the darkness comes over us, we will bring the light together to stub it out. But the darkness will never be completly sqaushed and the Light can not reach every corner.
Thus we will keep standing together until at some time there is some form of unity or utter destruction.. before we rebuild and start over again. which will come first i wander and most of all i wander when it will come !
Also but not confirmed.. I was told this jovian station technology given by Jovian admiral Ouria is the only station that every type of ship can dock inside and that its invulnerable to all but the hits of doomsday weapons.
Can anyone confirm this ? or is it just legend propaganda ..confidential source .. i dont want kept out the loop in the future, information can be powerfull
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KoffeeKup
Caldari Adderberry Sspectre
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Posted - 2010.06.27 10:00:00 -
[119]
What I mean is that the forces may not be as great as the four factions, the fact that there forces could be transported almost anywhere without warning and with almost no consequence would make the treat of a fleet even a fraction of even the smallest navy an extreme threat. And if they could bypass CONCORD, which is unlikely, then the 4 factions would have to make a response to the treat, or fight a defensive war with billions of lives in danger of being destroyed on a whim. The attacks would be fast swift and deadly, leaving many casualties for the 4 big ones to clean up, it would just be small things like a fleet there, a carrier here, sooner or later the defenses of the Navy would be so disorganized and in such disarray that Sansha could launch larger and larger attacks.
You can't eat a elephant whole, you just take one bite at a time. Although Sansha can do it by sneaking in from half the galaxy away and disappearing just as fast.
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Emarian
Caldari Knights of the Dark
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Posted - 2010.06.27 10:05:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Emarian on 27/06/2010 10:05:23
Originally by: KoffeeKup Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:38:32 Edited by: KoffeeKup on 27/06/2010 09:37:07 Need I remind all of you, our immortality exists only because of a shell that sits in a sterilized space lab light years away? We are not truly immortal, we are only hermit crabs scuttling about in an endless sea, finding a new home as we out grow out or break our shells. We like to call ourselves such because we don't like to believe that only a decade or so ago we were as fragile as the "mortals" that inhabit the planets bellow us. We can be killed, it only requires a simple mistake or a spike through our new homes cranium before we can inhabit it. We are so delusional, we can only stave off death as long as we have a new shell to crawl into. Be careful with your words, as the words "God" or "Immortal" are overstatements.
That may be so, but we can die and rise up again to battle anew. Also using "Immortal" isn't as accurate but is more convenient to use in conversation. |
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