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Aria Jenneth Caldari Kumiho's Smile	Posted - 2010.06.27 17:16:00 - [151] Originally by: Myrkala Don't be ignorant and jump to conclusions! If you had read the related thread you would see I was investigating the possibility of the Cartel having spies within True Power. So far, there has been no "official" response from the Cartel. I did read it, thank you. If the Cartel has spies within True Power, exactly who do you think you're helping by "investigating" them? If you were actually able to say with certainty, "Oo! The Angels have spies in True Power!" ... who do you think would be the first to take notice? Hint: his given name starts with an "S," his family name with a "K." Get this straight if you can, pilot: in the improbable event that you succeed, what you will have done is give aid and comfort to the enemy. Curse is at odds with Kuvakei. It has been actively at war with the Nation for years. If it has information to share that would be of more use in our hands than limited to those of the Cartel, it will share it.
Shik'aria Morse'ya Gallente Cosmology Deadly Unknown	Posted - 2010.06.27 17:16:00 - [152] Originally by: Snake Doctor It's not Jovian. I'd be more worried about the Sleepers. Our own intel indicates some startling revelations 1. W-Space Talocan and Sleeper antimatter caches have recently gone missing, moved, or destroyed. 2. A number Talocan and Sleeper technology caches and archeological sites in unknown W-space systems have recently disappeared. 3. A number of Oruze Constructs have become at least partially active, indicating that at least one of these installations is now transmitting information to the others. 4. A number of "Mirrors" seem to be displaying some strange readings, indicating at least one "mirror" in (what seems to be) a network of them has become fully functional. 5. The Nation is most likely in possestion of at least one Oruze Construct, its facilities, and its technology and is using said technology to open wormholes in targetted systems. 6. Sansha architechture shares notable characteristics with Sleeper technology and Talocan installations. Even if only a visual similarity exists, it poses a few questions. My channels have been a bit mixed lately, so our intel may not be the most accurate, but this is what we have. Surely in the discussions so far Snake Doctor's points have been overlooked. Given the number of capsuleers now operating in (and in many cases inhabiting) W-space we should surely be concerned for such changes in sleeper activity. As many of these W-space areas are linked by 'natural' wormholes to some of the heartlands of every major empire and alliance so surely we should be greatly worried if the Nation (and whoever they are working with/for) has gained control of any Sleeper technology. The last thing we would need if trying to deal with a Nation incursion which could happen anywhere, any time, would be Sleeper drones emerging in any major system and causing havoc. If the rumours of the artificial wormhole being closed using gravimetric technology is true, surely we should look into ways of closing the 'natural' wormholes too?
Brandrsun	Posted - 2010.06.27 17:45:00 - [153] Can we get a recap of current events for those that slept ( timezone differences ) At this time we are aware that an Sansha / Jovian fleet is amassing in W-hole space. Is there any speculation as to where their first attack will be? Is there anyone working on a united effort to counter said incursion? Has anybody setup early warning systems and universal comunications in case of attack? Do the capsuleers of New Eden intend to unite against this threat?
Iture Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.27 18:24:00 - [154] Originally by: Brandrsun Do the capsuleers of New Eden intend to unite against this threat? Unite? why would we need too? Atlas alone could wipe them from the face of existence.
Brandrsun	Posted - 2010.06.27 18:27:00 - [155] Hubris comes before the downfall. I would not sing of victories when the fight has yet to be fought. It shows you as foolish and arrogant.
Repsol Wachovia	Posted - 2010.06.27 18:44:00 - [156] where is the bathroom?
Brother Shasoun Amarr Walks Forever Trade Inc	Posted - 2010.06.27 18:48:00 - [157] Vid fades in, Brother Shasoun opens a large leather bound tome. Century 15 Quatrain XXX The heavens will be rent asunder as shadows sweep unto our doors. Tendrils of darkness will blossom forth and a hand shall reach out from within, grasping for souls, and all about it will be the cries of it victims. Quatrain XXXI The twisted will walk amongst us unseen but their voices will be raised in thunderous ovation. False promises will be made and cloaks of gold will be given, but all will be for naught. The twice born throne will unsheathe her sword and growl with a voice of angels. Quatrain XXXII Beware the unborn men, for they will come bearing gifts once again, yet these gifts will not be what they seem. All roads lead unto fire, tread lightly so that the darkness that hides within the fire does not consume your soul. The Prophecys of Horvan Kieer --- Brother Shasoun Head of Science Division and Exploration Walks Forever Trade Inc.
tyberiuos Caldari Secret Guardians	Posted - 2010.06.27 21:02:00 - [158] looking at the feed i say the time for talking is past and it is time to unite and destroy this threat. We have united only once before against the same enemy when we were not even in danger. So i propose that we unite and fight this threat with everything we have. Im my personal guess is right that battlestation is carrying some important people of the nation and given the chance i think we need to take it out at all cost.
Ridgerunner21	Posted - 2010.06.27 21:17:00 - [159] Edited by: Ridgerunner21 on 27/06/2010 21:17:45 Originally by: tyberiuos looking at the feed i say the time for talking is past and it is time to unite and destroy this threat. We have united only once before against the same enemy when we were not even in danger. So i propose that we unite and fight this threat with everything we have. Im my personal guess is right that battlestation is carrying some important people of the nation and given the chance i think we need to take it out at all cost. I'm with you on this one, doesn't matter how sure you are of your capabilities, when that fleet moves, it's going to be as a unit. One corp or defense fleet won't knock it down we're going to need a LOT of pilots in ships ranging from frigs to titans to take this on. And even then they'll already have caused major damage before we can bring them under control. so count my Battlecruisers in when the time comes
tyberiuos Caldari Secret Guardians	Posted - 2010.06.27 21:23:00 - [160] My corp is going to throw everything we got at that tower when that fleet moves but we dont have the intel channel would you mind sending it to us. Ive got some spys searching WH space at the moment to find any of these forces and report there position befor there able to strike. If we dont have a universal intel channel on the Nations i will create one so that we no longer are devided.
Gentleman1983 Caldari haVox - Territorial Guards	Posted - 2010.06.27 22:47:00 - [161] tyberious, you are right. This danger is a great one. None of our Corps will be able to face this danger on their own. We will need the help of anyone able to fly a starship and we will need any piece of firepower we may get. It's time to stand side by side and to face this threat. Currently the Territorial Guards have been relaunched. I hope we will be able to forge a wing or two that will stand besides all the others facing this huge thread! My message for all pilots is the following: Pilots, unite to face this thread. If you can affort to take this threat using a small T1-ship, this will help. If you can affort a bigger ship or a T2 or T3 one for support, this is great! So stand together and fight for New Eden!
Richard Winters Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.06.27 22:52:00 - [162] Long live Gallente Federation!!!! I hope ther fleet will warp in and clear the mess as always ------------------------------------------------ Our disease, everywhere I wander I trail the song of your despair, everywhere don't you breathe, don't you dare? Only life, do you care when it'
Emarian Caldari Knights of the Dark	Posted - 2010.06.27 23:37:00 - [163] Originally by: Iture Originally by: Brandrsun Do the capsuleers of New Eden intend to unite against this threat? Unite? why would we need too? Atlas alone could wipe them from the face of existence. Atlas alone is powerful, but you may get out maneuvered if you are alone, therefore we should all go to the "party" and Burn The Nation for causing us all this trouble. Channel Rise now as one has been made to coordinate our efforts.
Arthainas	Posted - 2010.06.28 00:54:00 - [164] Why you all worry about This threat and upholding law and order, do you not see what is before us? The Black Hand will lend aid only for the tech that Nation holds. For a year now we have been tracking the loose jove tech that has roamed in curse region with the Angel Cartel. Now that Nation has been exposed to be in position of jove tech, we shall come to claim it from them. However I say we hit the heart of Nation, the place in which Sansha made his last stand.
Gosakumori Noh	Posted - 2010.06.28 03:51:00 - [165] Originally by: Iture Originally by: Brandrsun Do the capsuleers of New Eden intend to unite against this threat? Unite? why would we need too? Atlas alone could wipe them from the face of existence. Again, that is an intriguing proposition. As Nation has no need to traverse surrounding space before making its attacks, it could pick an Atlas system without impacting surrounding powers. Those powers would then be able to decide whether or not it was necessary to unite, Atlas could decide whether or not to tolerate their presence, and we would all know if Nation represented a true threat to New Eden. Does Nation have the capacity for such an attack?
Jerimiah Stalker	Posted - 2010.06.28 03:59:00 - [166] I want in on this fight with my main characters if this is possible someone plz mail Tito Moreno Miss Amaral and Jerimiah Stalker about this. Thanks.
Johnny Santos Beginning of the End	Posted - 2010.06.28 04:31:00 - [167] ONE thing EVERYONE has forgotten.... remember the insane Jovian admiral? What part of space did he and his fleet come in originally and wreak havoc? Thats right, Sansha infested space. You got your tech from the Joves and other ancient civs. unintentionally. Put two and two together and just like with the harvesting your doing to man your current ships, you scavenge. Nothing you do is yours except for circumstance. You are pathetic and un-original. Sure youre gonna cause a lot of destruction and death but its only the Beginning of the End... for you.
KoffeeKup Caldari Adderberry Sspectre	Posted - 2010.06.28 05:01:00 - [168] Lol, Is it just me? Or have the Sansha Nation's representatives gone missing from this wonderful chat we are having? I really don't think they really can do anything, Ms. Mouse Nell has just happened to stubble upon one of there few fleets that really is no mach for the four factions and the thousands of capsuleers that swarm in both null sec and high sec. Sansha can't do anything but hope for a chance to open up a hole in high sec and attempt to cause as much damage as possible before retreating back though to their little hid away and pray that we don't find out how to drop in and give them a surprise visit. I think that the nation forgets who the real power holders are, the capsuleer corporations and alliances in null. Most of the big ones have dozens of titans and dreads and hundreds of battleships, cruisers and frigates. The core worlds may be hit hard, but capsuleers will be the ones that will stop them just as we where the ones that found them. Unless the have a new toy, which I think would be the only other advantage that they would have.
Snake Doctor MacroIntel	Posted - 2010.06.28 05:59:00 - [169] Originally by: Shik'aria Morse'ya Originally by: Snake Doctor Surely in the discussions so far Snake Doctor's points have been overlooked. Given the number of capsuleers now operating in (and in many cases inhabiting) W-space we should surely be concerned for such changes in sleeper activity. As many of these W-space areas are linked by 'natural' wormholes to some of the heartlands of every major empire and alliance so surely we should be greatly worried if the Nation (and whoever they are working with/for) has gained control of any Sleeper technology. The last thing we would need if trying to deal with a Nation incursion which could happen anywhere, any time, would be Sleeper drones emerging in any major system and causing havoc. If the rumours of the artificial wormhole being closed using gravimetric technology is true, surely we should look into ways of closing the 'natural' wormholes too? My points are indeed being overlooked. While we specialize in information and analysis of illegal AI systems capsuleers have been installing in their ships and how to, ahem disable them... we are also equipped to handle information pertinent to wormholes. WCPistolPete, current CEO of MI corp, has been present at most of the recent Sansha attacks and has brought back a wealth of knowledge on the subject. Our other sources point to a theory that if a ship were to be carrying the access codes the Sansha fleet is using to activate the wormhole mechanism (Mirror?), they will be allowed travel through that hole. Unfortunately, the only known way to close a "natural" hole is to destabilize it's mass potential. I hypothesize that these wormholes are indeed not as "natural" as they seem to be, but rather a result or some sort of accident. The only way to shut these holes down permanently is to shut down whatever network is generating them. As well, again, hasn't anyone noticed that this seemingly "old man" Kuvakei looks to be in his mid 40's? He appears quite young for such an aged man.
Wedgetail	Posted - 2010.06.28 06:03:00 - [170] Quote: As well, again, hasn't anyone noticed that this seemingly "old man" Kuvakei looks to be in his mid 40's? He appears quite young for such an aged man. Kuvakei is a capsuleer as we are, it is by no stretch difficult for us to enter younger versions of our own bodies when the need arises, why should it be more so for him?
Snake Doctor MacroIntel	Posted - 2010.06.28 06:07:00 - [171] Originally by: Wedgetail Quote: As well, again, hasn't anyone noticed that this seemingly "old man" Kuvakei looks to be in his mid 40's? He appears quite young for such an aged man. Kuvakei is a capsuleer as we are, it is by no stretch difficult for us to enter younger versions of our own bodies when the need arises, why should it be more so for him? Because he's supposed to be dead. There were no known clones left. Apparently, whomever counted has missed one.
sythra coratana	Posted - 2010.06.28 06:11:00 - [172] it is not difficult to hide clones nor the cloning facilities needed to support them, and given the nature of nation cybernetics would it even be at all surprising if he could hide his conscious mind in the body of another slave(s) while a new clone was grown? if indeed they had all been destroyed?
Snake Doctor MacroIntel	Posted - 2010.06.28 06:59:00 - [173] Originally by: sythra coratana it is not difficult to hide clones nor the cloning facilities needed to support them, and given the nature of nation cybernetics would it even be at all surprising if he could hide his conscious mind in the body of another slave(s) while a new clone was grown? if indeed they had all been destroyed? A most astute, and as I assume accurate conclusion.
KoffeeKup Caldari Adderberry Sspectre	Posted - 2010.06.28 07:02:00 - [174] Edited by: KoffeeKup on 28/06/2010 07:04:00 Some Intaki are "Reborn" meaning that their conscious mind is scanned and projected before death, then transporter to the body of an infant that is being born at that moment, new body, same mind. He could have taken 1 from a slave while they found scraps of his genetic code or found him a new clone, either way, lets make the freaking pod he's in malfunction and have all the hardware fry. Mmmmmm...... smells like hot dogs.....
Ridgerunner21	Posted - 2010.06.28 07:41:00 - [175] Heh, sounds entertaining, I'm in this for the brawl so let's make it a good one
Shingorash Caldari F L I P M O D E Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2010.06.28 10:25:00 - [176] Master Kuvakei If you require aid in your fight against the infidels of the Amarr Empire I will stand up and fight with you. Too long have the Amarr's tyrannical ruling parties set precedent over New Eden. -------------------------------------------------- I'm in your space, eating your ships!
Au' Tena	Posted - 2010.06.28 14:12:00 - [177] as a new capsuleer, i've been in space for about 3 months now, in am struck by the indepth technical know how displayed in your posts. they are still way beyond my reach for now. however one strategical aurgument is only shortly mensoined; we have no idea yet what the jovians are really after; some say, that they have become to weak , and are losing therofer stations. i find that rather strange. blowing it up before it gets into the hand of enemies is smarter. have they then chosen sides? no very jovian either. so are they using these factions against us. are they using the "true slaves" to man their ships for sansha's capuleers? to make beter crews? and therefore stronger ships? to combat concord's power shipwise? is that where they need to infade our planets? rememeber; even if it is an alliance, they have still come together with different reasons.
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.06.28 18:03:00 - [178] Originally by: Brandrsun Hubris comes before the downfall. I would not sing of victories when the fight has yet to be fought. It shows you as foolish and arrogant. You underestimate the power of a single 0.0 alliance, let alone a coalition, let alone all capsuleers. While impressive looking, any major alliance could deal with that fleet. This signature is useless, but it is red.
Arthainas	Posted - 2010.06.28 21:10:00 - [179] Transmitting from inside a stolen Phantasm Cruiser Sansha's Nation has never been a threat to us. They are not a threat now. Personally I would like to speak to Sansha himself, there is a chance here for all of us. Think of the knowledge the tech we could gain. Think of what we could become.
Jim Luc Caldari Rule of Five Lucky Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.29 04:35:00 - [180] Don't the Jovians have their own capital ships? Why do they need Amarr and Caldari capitals? Doesn't make sense to me....

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