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Fournone	Posted - 2010.06.26 00:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Fournone on 26/06/2010 00:40:07 I have not traveled to all of eve, but i've seen a fair amount. So far, I have seen no double systems (2 systems in extremely close proximity, within warp distance so no use for stargates] no double star systems, no star AND black hole systems. I'm not asking for an extreme modification of the current eve systems, I just don't understand the lack of them. I also have seen no plutiods, (and just to borrow from THIS solar system, aka earth), asteriod moon, volcanic moons, ice moons, 1/4 size of the planet they are orbiting moons(pluto and its moon). Also no forest moons (ENDOR!!!1!1!) or rogue moons. (all of the above do exist and all have photographic evidence of them, thanks huble) Another thing I wish to point out is the fact that the sun is too **** bright. From pluto, the sun is just a dot that is slightly brighter than the other dots, in eve its still very bright from that far out. And from mercury, the sun really does take up the whole screen. There is also no 'galaxy band' like the milky way has, the existence of it depends on whether or not its a spiral galaxy, but seeing how the eve universe is only about 6 systems thick, I beleive it is spiral. Anything else that I missed? Note that I left out deep space nebula and rogue planets becuase there is no reason that they would have a stargate at them (unless the pirates are looking for a truely safe spot) EDIT: I have also seen no half forest half desert planets, but I havn't been to very many planets exept to get plasmoids from a plasma world so what do i know .
Ascendic Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.06.26 00:42:00 - [2] Maybe because who would build a F**king stargate in black hole systems and systems with no stars? Duh. /thread. GTFO mah forums!
Babel Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2010.06.26 00:58:00 - [3] Originally by: Fournone Also no forest moons (ENDOR!!!1!1!) or rogue moons. (all of the above do exist and all have photographic evidence of them, thanks huble) REALITY Quite a wide line actually ... FICTION . All generalisations are false - Discuss.
Fournone	Posted - 2010.06.26 01:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Ascendic Maybe because who would build a Fking stargate in black hole systems and systems with no stars? Duh. /thread. GTFO mah forums! Well you don't have to be an a about it. I said a black hole AND a star. Also I didn't say anything about a system without a star. In fact a star system needs first of all a STAR to be called a star system.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.06.26 01:19:00 - [5] Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 26/06/2010 01:19:44 Originally by: Fournone I have not traveled to all of eve, but i've seen a fair amount. So far, I have seen no double systems (2 systems in extremely close proximity, within warp distance so no use for stargates] It's called a binary system, and they exist. Maybe you should learn a litttle about new features from... a year ago? Keywords: Apocrypha, wormholes. Quote: no double star systems, Check, see above. Quote: no star AND black hole systems. Check, see above. Quote: I also have seen no plutiods, (and just to borrow from THIS solar system, aka earth), asteriod moon, volcanic moons, ice moons, Not important enough to clutter your overview and/or not massive enough for your warp drive to lock on to. Quote: 1/4 size of the planet they are orbiting moons(pluto and its moon). That's not a large moon, that's a small planet. Refer to the above. Quote: Also no forest moons (ENDOR!!!1!1!) Oh god... you know how much about astrophysics and evolution? Quote: or rogue moons. A moon that is... not orbiting a planet? Would that be a rogue planet, an asteroid or a comet? In any case, refer to three answers above. Quote: (all of the above do exist and all have photographic evidence of them, thanks huble) Show me photographic evidence of a forest moon. Quote: Another thing I wish to point out is the fact that the sun is too ** bright. From pluto, the sun is just a dot that is slightly brighter than the other dots, in eve its still very bright from that far out. Your neural implants coupled with your pod enhance your visual experience to make it easier to see where the heck are you warping to. (This is canon) Quote: And from mercury, the sun really does take up the whole screen. Remind me again, how much do you know about astrophysics? Quote: There is also no 'galaxy band' like the milky way has, Ever looked around in some of the systems? Quote: the existence of it depends on whether or not its a spiral galaxy, but seeing how the eve universe is only about 6 systems thick, I beleive it is spiral. The systems displayed on your map are obviously only the inhabitated ones, what makes you think that the galaxy has some 5,000 stars in total? Quote:** Anything else that I missed? About over nine thousand threads on this topic, as well as a significant part of the EVE lore.
Tae Ren	Posted - 2010.06.26 01:25:00 - [6] OP just got owned I think ^^
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 01:27:00 - [7] actually if you go into wormhole systems, there are binary stars, and other phenomenon like quasars and stuff, you can visually see them in the distance as well. Further, they give bonuses or penalties to certain ship functions due to interference or whatever ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
dexington	Posted - 2010.06.26 01:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Quote: Also no forest moons (ENDOR!!!1!1!) Oh god... you know how much about astrophysics and evolution? Quote: And from mercury, the sun really does take up the whole screen. Remind me again, how much do you know about astrophysics? I think it's more general astronomy, then astrophysics... (i'll stop my trolling, and return to my cave.)
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2010.06.26 01:32:00 - [9] Dunno looking at the star map it almost looks like a galaaxy, rather small one but none the less. Also there are ALOT more planets inhabited outside of stargate's reach, normal star drives are used to get there, read the chronicle old man star. Though I heartingly disagree with forest moons (we stil havent found ANY life outside of our world yet*) however moons as varied as the ones around jupiter would be nice possibly even some oversized asteriods that got caught in the orbit. Aside from that Planetary wide belts, work in progress so no planetiod plutonians yet. Old man star is another chronicle explaining why some stargates are 'just built' just becuase they need a transportation routing. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 24FEB10
Salria Usenheart	Posted - 2010.06.26 01:46:00 - [10] Terraforming is used extensively in the chronicles, we know we didnt evolve in the current eve universe, but "escaped / came through" the eve gate from somewhere else, and ancient and powerful empire with godlike tech even to current eve standards ruled then fell with only a few planets surviving that fall with population, jove race ruled but fell till they locked themselves away in the north and now current standards are far below what the pinnacle of tech was. So planets and moons are going to have been changed by the millions of years the human race as spent in this area and its rise and falls. Stargates were seeded by planetary ships going out under sub light engines (think SG:U) and so only systems originally needed or useful for terraforming had gates placed at them after the re-rise of the human race after the fall.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 01:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Nova Fox Dunno looking at the star map it almost looks like a galaaxy, rather small one but none the less. it is a galaxy! but the stars you see on the map are only the known, traveled stars where the megacorps. I'm sure theres many other stars between the ones we have access to... the wormholes make that clear =P ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
Fournone	Posted - 2010.06.26 01:55:00 - [12] Edited by: Fournone on 26/06/2010 01:56:42 At fidelas, fixed the forest moon thing, had to go do something midthread so i forgot all about it when i wrote about huble. Also, the current 5000 system in eve are just the system with stargates at them, the empries haven't explored the entire d*** galaxy yet! And the rogue moon thing, they also exist (the earths moon will eventual fly out of orbit) and pluto is smaller than earths moon and plutos moon is even smaller, charon i think its called (can't remember name) just so happens to be another plutiod orbiting pluto so its a MOON by definition and not a planet (heck, pluto isn't a planet anymore)
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.06.26 02:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Fournone Also, the current 5000 system in eve are just the system with stargates at them, the empries haven't explored the entire d* galaxy yet! This is exactly what I am saying. You are the one who is drawing conclusions about the shape of the galaxy from a couple of solar systems within several light years. Quote: And the rogue moon thing, they also exist (the earths moon will eventual fly out of orbit) At which point it obviously stops being a moon. Quote: and pluto is smaller than earths moon and plutos moon is even smaller, charon i think its called (can't remember name) Charon, Nix and Hydra. Quote:** just so happens to be another plutiod orbiting pluto so its a MOON by definition and not a planet Correct. So? It is still not a "rogue moon", whatever you mean by that.
Fournone	Posted - 2010.06.26 02:33:00 - [14] I know plutos moon isn't rogue moved onto different 'bash the OP' point you made, and i know it wouldn't be a moon anymore if it wasn't in orbit, what i mean by 'rogue moon' is a moon that flew out of orbit and is now a celestial object that is not a moon in orbit but was a moon. Its not a comet, technically it would be an asteriod if in not mistaken (a freakin huge on at that). If i had typed freakin huge asteriod, people would bash me about how we already have freakin huge asteriods.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 02:35:00 - [15] pluto is barely a planet. I'm sure you could find asteroids orbiting eachother, and they orbit the sun in the asteroid belt, but they arnt planets =P Pluto is far too small to be a real planet, its just a distant rock that someone found =P People need to let pluto die already! ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.06.26 04:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Fournone what i mean by 'rogue moon' is a moon that flew out of orbit and is now a celestial object that is not a moon in orbit but was a moon. Its not a comet, technically it would be an asteriod if in not mistaken (a freakin huge on at that). It would most probably be considered either a dwarf planet or a small solar system body, mostly based on its size. Quote: If i had typed freakin huge asteriod, people would bash me about how we already have freakin huge asteriods. (before you say anything, you would be suprised) Strictly speaking, there are no asteroids in EVE. An asteroid is a subclass of a small solar system body, and a part of its definition is that it is in an orbit around the Sun (or another star). The asteroids in EVE do not orbit anything at all, or arguably they orbit a fixed point in space. I was actually surprised that you didn't mention this originally, as it is one of the more obvious examples of completely ignoring realism for the sake of gameplay in EVE. Quote: So far i have seen no moon size asteriods flying around in space Once again, such bodies would be irrelevant to you (no valuable resources to mine, too small to support a Planetary Command Center) and thus they are not shown on your overview. Alternatively, they are too small for your warp drive to lock on to and you simply can't get to any of them in reasonable time.
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Quote: (all of the above do exist and all have photographic evidence of them, thanks huble) Show me photographic evidence of a forest moon. From hubble, with love - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Dian'h Might Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Quote: (all of the above do exist and all have photographic evidence of them, thanks huble) Show me photographic evidence of a forest moon. From hubble, with love That's no moon! That's... a battlestation!
Riesia The Triangle Veneratio Venator Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:35:00 - [19] Originally by: Fournone Edited by: Fournone on 26/06/2010 02:41:01 I know plutos moon isn't rogue moved onto different 'bash the OP' point you made, and i know it wouldn't be a moon anymore if it wasn't in orbit, what i mean by 'rogue moon' is a moon that flew out of orbit and is now a celestial object that is not a moon in orbit but was a moon. Its not a comet, technically it would be an asteriod if in not mistaken (a freakin huge on at that). If i had typed freakin huge asteriod, people would bash me about how we already have freakin huge asteriods. (before you say anything, you would be suprised) So far i have seen no moon size asteriods flying around in space EDIT: rogue moon would be considered plutiods if i remember the new 'planet rules' No they would be considered Planemos
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.06.26 09:06:00 - [20] Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 26/06/2010 09:07:17 Originally by: Fournone Edited by: Fournone on 26/06/2010 01:48:11 Edited by: Fournone on 26/06/2010 01:11:19 I have not traveled to all of eve, but i've seen a fair amount. So far, I have seen no double systems (2 systems in extremely close proximity, within warp distance so no use for stargates] no double star systems, no star AND black hole systems. I'm not asking for an extreme modification of the current eve systems, I just don't understand the lack of them. I also have seen no plutiods, (and just to borrow from THIS solar system, aka earth), asteriod moon, volcanic moons, ice moons, 1/4 size of the planet they are orbiting moons(pluto and its moon). Also no forest moons (ENDOR!!!1!1!) or rogue moons.(all of the above do exist and all have photographic evidence of them, with the exception of endor, thanks huble) You'd be the first to have photographic evidence of trees or flora outside of Earth, not to mention that it would be quite the discovery of the century. Also, you do understand the difference between a sci-fi (-> make-believe) universe, and the real universe we live in - right? RIGHT? Originally by: Fournone Another thing I wish to point out is the fact that the sun is too ** bright. From pluto, the sun is just a dot that is slightly brighter than the other dots, in eve its still very bright from that far out. And from mercury, the sun really does take up the whole screen Come up with an algorhithm to do just that and CCP will gladly employ you in the visual department. Originally by:** Fournone There is also no 'galaxy band' like the milky way has, the existence of it depends on whether or not its a spiral galaxy, but seeing how the eve universe is only about 6 systems thick, I beleive it is spiral. You can rotate the camera, you know ... Also in total we have 5,200 systems, and since there is a band visible at times, the galaxy is a bit bigger than our accessible systems. But 5,200 systems is what we have to live with. Originally by: Fournone Anything else that I missed? Note that I left out deep space nebula and rogue planets becuase there is no reason that they would have a stargate at them (unless the pirates are looking for a truely safe spot) EDIT: I have also seen no half forest half desert planets, but I havn't been to very many planets exept to get plasmoids from a plasma world so what do i know . Things I forgot in origonal post: oceanic moons, systems with no planets, just riods (why wouldn't you build a gate to a system with near infinite easy resources) and new systems (only volcanic/gas planets) Maybe because that first of all, building a stargate takes freaking long. Secondly maybe because of the resources overall in New Eden are abundant enough so that building said stargate is totally unneccessary? Item DB \| Sigs
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.06.26 09:56:00 - [21] read up on the backstory - not every solar system can have stargates
Y Berion Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.26 14:13:00 - [22] As other people already pointed out, systems connected with jumpgates might take only a fraction of space we're able to visit. On the other hand, perhaps New Eden is not galaxy at all, it's just a small isolated star cluster, possibly very far away from any real galaxy.
Dorian Wylde	Posted - 2010.06.26 16:13:00 - [23] Every system in the game is a multiple star system, because you can only build jumpgates in systems with more than one star.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.06.26 16:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Dorian Wylde Every system in the game is a multiple star system, because you can only build jumpgates in systems with more than one star. Incorrect. Stargates are placed delicately between two stars and their gravity wells. I never saw two stars in my overview ;) Item DB \| Sigs
BrundleMeth Caldari Temporal Mechanics	Posted - 2010.06.26 16:33:00 - [25] EVERY one knows that the Borg come from Zahadoom and that there are no forests there.
Y Berion Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.26 16:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Dan O'Connor Originally by: Dorian Wylde Every system in the game is a multiple star system, because you can only build jumpgates in systems with more than one star. Incorrect. Stargates are placed delicately between two stars and their gravity wells. I never saw two stars in my overview ;) I suppose that's because companion star in binary system is often much less bright comparing to primary one and also quite distant (think about tens of thousands AU). So basically you can take any of those small white dots in the background and imagine it as secondary star.
Research Monkey1	Posted - 2010.06.26 16:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Quote: 1/4 size of the planet they are orbiting moons(pluto and its moon). That's not a large moon, that's a small planet. Refer to the above. Quote: Also no forest moons (ENDOR!!!1!1!) Oh god... you know how much about astrophysics and evolution? Quote: And from mercury, the sun really does take up the whole screen. Remind me again, how much do you know about astrophysics? Astrophysicist checking in here. Sun would appear about 6.5x bigger and brighter from Mecury. Pluto isn't a planet. but there are moons that are 1/4 sze of the planet they are orbitting. our moon is really huge in comparison to the size of the earth. Laws of astrophysics state that life is 99.999999999% certain to exist in other parts of our universe. Astrophysically speaking, eve isn't all that correct but at the end of the day....who cares?
the plague Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.06.26 23:26:00 - [28] Edited by: the plague on 26/06/2010 23:26:51 Originally by: Research Monkey1 Astrophysically speaking, eve isn't all that correct but at the end of the day....who cares? I don't know that many people are truly interested in morphing EVE into a hyper-realistic space simulation. However, what people are interested in is a game world filled with excitement, danger, and mystery. EVE fulfills two of those but fails miserably on the third count. The infamous Zero Punctuation review of EVE Online got that much right: CCP has managed to make space boring. No easy task.
Cataca	Posted - 2010.06.27 01:14:00 - [29] Well.. im not even sure if the giant floating things in eve are even considered planets, they don't move around in an orbit do they?
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.06.27 01:38:00 - [30] Originally by: the plague The infamous Zero Punctuation review of EVE Online got that much right: CCP has managed to make space boring. No easy task. And the players are making it more and more interesting every day.

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