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Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 00:52:00 - [1] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:39:02 For those of you familiar with the drama going on in the sell order thread, I will post here the scam in BIG corporation that I believe goes to the top ranks of thier corporation. I will post all of the events as they happened to me...In its entirety.All conversations are real, only private info such as account names and numbers are ***** - A auction is started by Axee (whom i believe to be the alt of Tion, the BIG representative in tis transaction.) - I am winning the bid the night before it ends (i live in japan so time difference) and when i wake up I notice i have been outbid, and the auction has been over for 2 or 3 hours already. - My first personal contact with Axee via mail, "2004.12.10 23:41:00 you were out bid. but still ahve a chance to win. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=132046.....all of which tornsoul has seen because i gave her access to my account. - latter Axee logs on and we have a conversation about the auction...... Channel ID: (('convo', ((52571000103L, 49771000112L), (1028581651, 1000166, None), (145137125, 1834352365, None))),) Channel Name: Axee Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 01:41:03 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 01:41:10 ] Axee > Hello [ 2004.12.11 01:41:10 ] Fret > hiya [ 2004.12.11 01:41:18 ] Fret > i hope my bid wasnt too late [ 2004.12.11 01:41:37 ] Axee > Well you won the auction. i will be taking in the late bid. [ 2004.12.11 01:41:51 ] Fret > tyvm :() [ 2004.12.11 01:42:21 ] Fret > when do u want to do the business? [ 2004.12.11 01:42:45 ] Axee > Well you must wait till Tion gets online. [ 2004.12.11 01:42:55 ] Fret > ok ill be on..... [ 2004.12.11 01:43:03 ] Fret > ill keep this channel open [ 2004.12.11 01:43:23 ] Axee > ok, he usally comes on soon. [ 2004.12.11 01:43:41 ] Fret > i hope :() [ 2004.12.11 01:44:06 ] Axee > what is your account name. u want it to be transferd 2? [ 2004.12.11 01:44:30 ] Fret > virgo79 [ 2004.12.11 01:44:46 ] Fret > i ne3ed to finalize a termination [ 2004.12.11 01:48:14 ] Fret > im going to relog so i can terminate a character....brb [ 2004.12.11 01:48:20 ] Axee > alright Channel ID: (('convo', ((53111001112L, 52571000103L), (145137125, 1834352365, None), (1028581651, 1000166, None))),) Channel Name: Axee Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 01:51:11 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 01:51:17 ] Fret > ok all ready to go [ 2004.12.11 01:53:32 ] Axee > alright how much longer will u be on? [ 2004.12.11 01:54:04 ] Fret > ill be on for a while [ 2004.12.11 01:55:50 ] Fret > can this char pilot indy's? [ 2004.12.11 01:58:27 ] Fret > .... [ 2004.12.11 01:58:50 ] Axee > ops sorry was afk [ 2004.12.11 01:58:56 ] Axee > industrail ships? yes [ 2004.12.11 01:59:02 ] Fret > great [ 2004.12.11 01:59:03 ] Axee > all them sept for the mark 5 [ 2004.12.11 01:59:12 ] Fret > nice [ 2004.12.11 01:59:47 ] Fret > how far from the mark 5? [ 2004.12.11 02:00:43 ] Axee > i don;t think it has started training on it [ 2004.12.11 02:00:53 ] Axee > but i think its 27 days. [ 2004.12.11 02:02:00 ] Fret > k [ 2004.12.11 02:02:37 ] Axee > and its like, 7 days from a large barge. [ 2004.12.11 02:02:43 ] Fret > cool [ 2004.12.11 02:02:52 ] Fret > any xtras with the char? [ 2004.12.11 02:03:29 ] Axee > crow / med barge [ 2004.12.11 02:04:17 ] Fret > kk [ 2004.12.11 02:04:34 ] Fret > any loots stroled aroud? or u cleaned it out for me? [ 2004.12.11 02:05:14 ] Fret > :() [ 2004.12.11 02:05:47 ] Axee > well there loot around places, but nothing to special [ 2004.12.11 02:05:54 ] Axee > i cleared most eevery thing [ 2004.12.11 02:06:00 ] Fret > :() [ 2004.12.11 02:06:10 ] Fret > understandable [ 2004.12.11 02:07:05 ] Axee > he had alot assets. [ 2004.12.11 02:07:05 ] Axee > well just 4 systems i was in :P if i wouldn;t of. i would be losing isk :P [ 2004.12.11 02:14:07 ] Fret > does he know that the deal will be going down at this time? [ 2004.12.11 02:16:20 ] Axee > nope i am sorry. the deal is waiting for tion. [ 2004.12.11 02:17:46 ] Fret > no........ [ 2004.12.11 02:18:00 ] Fret > i am asking you if he knows that the deal is going down today [ 2004.12.11 02:20:47 ] Fret > ... [ 2004.12.11 02:21:44 ] Axee > ya he does, he was spose to be on. [ 2004.12.11 02:21:57 ] Fret > k [ 2004.12.11 02:25:58 ] Axee > im going to log off and go on my real char. ill come back on this when i see tion come on Channel ID: (('convo', ((56571001107L, 53111001112L), (1028581651, 1000166, None), (145137125, 1834352365, None))),) Channel Name: Axee Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 03:25:48 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 03:27:04 ] Axee > hey [ 2004.12.11 03:28:26 ] "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 00:52:00 - [2] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:39:02 For those of you familiar with the drama going on in the sell order thread, I will post here the scam in BIG corporation that I believe goes to the top ranks of thier corporation. I will post all of the events as they happened to me...In its entirety.All conversations are real, only private info such as account names and numbers are ***** - A auction is started by Axee (whom i believe to be the alt of Tion, the BIG representative in tis transaction.) - I am winning the bid the night before it ends (i live in japan so time difference) and when i wake up I notice i have been outbid, and the auction has been over for 2 or 3 hours already. - My first personal contact with Axee via mail, "2004.12.10 23:41:00 you were out bid. but still ahve a chance to win. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=132046.....all of which tornsoul has seen because i gave her access to my account. - latter Axee logs on and we have a conversation about the auction...... Channel ID: (('convo', ((52571000103L, 49771000112L), (1028581651, 1000166, None), (145137125, 1834352365, None))),) Channel Name: Axee Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 01:41:03 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 01:41:10 ] Axee > Hello [ 2004.12.11 01:41:10 ] Fret > hiya [ 2004.12.11 01:41:18 ] Fret > i hope my bid wasnt too late [ 2004.12.11 01:41:37 ] Axee > Well you won the auction. i will be taking in the late bid. [ 2004.12.11 01:41:51 ] Fret > tyvm :() [ 2004.12.11 01:42:21 ] Fret > when do u want to do the business? [ 2004.12.11 01:42:45 ] Axee > Well you must wait till Tion gets online. [ 2004.12.11 01:42:55 ] Fret > ok ill be on..... [ 2004.12.11 01:43:03 ] Fret > ill keep this channel open [ 2004.12.11 01:43:23 ] Axee > ok, he usally comes on soon. [ 2004.12.11 01:43:41 ] Fret > i hope :() [ 2004.12.11 01:44:06 ] Axee > what is your account name. u want it to be transferd 2? [ 2004.12.11 01:44:30 ] Fret > virgo79 [ 2004.12.11 01:44:46 ] Fret > i ne3ed to finalize a termination [ 2004.12.11 01:48:14 ] Fret > im going to relog so i can terminate a character....brb [ 2004.12.11 01:48:20 ] Axee > alright Channel ID: (('convo', ((53111001112L, 52571000103L), (145137125, 1834352365, None), (1028581651, 1000166, None))),) Channel Name: Axee Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 01:51:11 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 01:51:17 ] Fret > ok all ready to go [ 2004.12.11 01:53:32 ] Axee > alright how much longer will u be on? [ 2004.12.11 01:54:04 ] Fret > ill be on for a while [ 2004.12.11 01:55:50 ] Fret > can this char pilot indy's? [ 2004.12.11 01:58:27 ] Fret > .... [ 2004.12.11 01:58:50 ] Axee > ops sorry was afk [ 2004.12.11 01:58:56 ] Axee > industrail ships? yes [ 2004.12.11 01:59:02 ] Fret > great [ 2004.12.11 01:59:03 ] Axee > all them sept for the mark 5 [ 2004.12.11 01:59:12 ] Fret > nice [ 2004.12.11 01:59:47 ] Fret > how far from the mark 5? [ 2004.12.11 02:00:43 ] Axee > i don;t think it has started training on it [ 2004.12.11 02:00:53 ] Axee > but i think its 27 days. [ 2004.12.11 02:02:00 ] Fret > k [ 2004.12.11 02:02:37 ] Axee > and its like, 7 days from a large barge. [ 2004.12.11 02:02:43 ] Fret > cool [ 2004.12.11 02:02:52 ] Fret > any xtras with the char? [ 2004.12.11 02:03:29 ] Axee > crow / med barge [ 2004.12.11 02:04:17 ] Fret > kk [ 2004.12.11 02:04:34 ] Fret > any loots stroled aroud? or u cleaned it out for me? [ 2004.12.11 02:05:14 ] Fret > :() [ 2004.12.11 02:05:47 ] Axee > well there loot around places, but nothing to special [ 2004.12.11 02:05:54 ] Axee > i cleared most eevery thing [ 2004.12.11 02:06:00 ] Fret > :() [ 2004.12.11 02:06:10 ] Fret > understandable [ 2004.12.11 02:07:05 ] Axee > he had alot assets. [ 2004.12.11 02:07:05 ] Axee > well just 4 systems i was in :P if i wouldn;t of. i would be losing isk :P [ 2004.12.11 02:14:07 ] Fret > does he know that the deal will be going down at this time? [ 2004.12.11 02:16:20 ] Axee > nope i am sorry. the deal is waiting for tion. [ 2004.12.11 02:17:46 ] Fret > no........ [ 2004.12.11 02:18:00 ] Fret > i am asking you if he knows that the deal is going down today [ 2004.12.11 02:20:47 ] Fret > ... [ 2004.12.11 02:21:44 ] Axee > ya he does, he was spose to be on. [ 2004.12.11 02:21:57 ] Fret > k [ 2004.12.11 02:25:58 ] Axee > im going to log off and go on my real char. ill come back on this when i see tion come on Channel ID: (('convo', ((56571001107L, 53111001112L), (1028581651, 1000166, None), (145137125, 1834352365, None))),) Channel Name: Axee Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 03:25:48 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 03:27:04 ] Axee > hey [ 2004.12.11 03:28:26 ] "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:03:00 - [3] oops didnt realize i could post all of it in one... ill post them all now.... --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((56571001107L, 53111001112L), (1028581651, 1000166, None), (145137125, 1834352365, None))),) Channel Name: Axee Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 03:25:48 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 03:27:04 ] Axee > hey [ 2004.12.11 03:28:26 ] Axee > are you there? [ 2004.12.11 03:30:25 ] Axee > Once you get back please join channel "accountsell" so when tion comes on he can join our chat. i dunno how to invite lol [ 2004.12.11 03:37:23 ] Axee > Hello? [ 2004.12.11 03:44:17 ] Axee > well make that channel BIG [ 2004.12.11 03:53:19 ] Fret > hi [ 2004.12.11 03:53:39 ] Fret > he is still not back? [ 2004.12.11 03:53:46 ] Axee > Go to channel BIG please "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:03:00 - [4] oops didnt realize i could post all of it in one... ill post them all now.... --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((56571001107L, 53111001112L), (1028581651, 1000166, None), (145137125, 1834352365, None))),) Channel Name: Axee Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 03:25:48 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 03:27:04 ] Axee > hey [ 2004.12.11 03:28:26 ] Axee > are you there? [ 2004.12.11 03:30:25 ] Axee > Once you get back please join channel "accountsell" so when tion comes on he can join our chat. i dunno how to invite lol [ 2004.12.11 03:37:23 ] Axee > Hello? [ 2004.12.11 03:44:17 ] Axee > well make that channel BIG [ 2004.12.11 03:53:19 ] Fret > hi [ 2004.12.11 03:53:39 ] Fret > he is still not back? [ 2004.12.11 03:53:46 ] Axee > Go to channel BIG please "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:04:00 - [5] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2100001042 Channel Name: big Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 03:54:05 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 03:54:15 ] Fret > ok [ 2004.12.11 03:54:57 ] Evanthe > g'day [ 2004.12.11 03:55:03 ] Fret > hiya [ 2004.12.11 03:55:23 ] Evanthe > I'm tions alt I'm hauling stuff around right now. (Using a nutral corp to avoid allince wars) [ 2004.12.11 03:55:37 ] Fret > :() [ 2004.12.11 03:55:56 ] Evanthe > I don't have much time before work... other wise I'd stop and switch. ;-) [ 2004.12.11 03:56:06 ] Fret > hmmm\ [ 2004.12.11 03:56:34 ] Fret > well id prefer to deal with the character mentioned in the auction [ 2004.12.11 03:56:50 ] Fret > as u understand scamming is common place in this game [ 2004.12.11 03:57:04 ] Evanthe > sure [ 2004.12.11 03:57:15 ] Evanthe > well we can wait till I dock? [ 2004.12.11 03:57:24 ] Fret > sure [ 2004.12.11 03:57:29 ] Fret > how long will that be? [ 2004.12.11 03:57:44 ] Evanthe > 40 more jumps lol [ 2004.12.11 03:57:47 ] Fret > lol [ 2004.12.11 03:58:17 ] Fret > well if u dont mind...just pull into a station and switch...otherwise i have lucch with my wife [ 2004.12.11 03:58:26 ] Fret > lunch* [ 2004.12.11 03:58:45 ] Evanthe > would a quick switch just to prove it be enough? [ 2004.12.11 03:59:07 ] Fret > well the total process should not take to much of your time [ 2004.12.11 03:59:16 ] Evanthe > ok hold on then [ 2004.12.11 04:00:32 ] Tion > there ya go [ 2004.12.11 04:00:54 ] Fret > ok i will transfer the isk to you...have u already verified the character? [ 2004.12.11 04:01:27 ] Tion > yup [ 2004.12.11 04:01:35 ] Fret > sent [ 2004.12.11 04:01:56 ] Tion > ok Axee send the char :) [ 2004.12.11 04:02:24 ] Axee > Alright, can you tell me the account anme again? thanks. [ 2004.12.11 04:02:31 ] Fret > virgo79 [ 2004.12.11 04:05:43 ] Axee > Alright, sent. it says. may take up to 24 hours. [ 2004.12.11 04:05:57 ] Fret > hmmm i wonder why [ 2004.12.11 04:06:40 ] Axee > i dunno its not me working it. i gtg now sorry. hopefully it will not take 24 hours. [ 2004.12.11 04:07:04 ] Fret > lol [ 2004.12.11 04:07:08 ] Tion > I'll hold the isk for 24 Hours would that be ok? [ 2004.12.11 04:07:14 ] Fret > sure [ 2004.12.11 04:07:20 ] Fret > ill log and check [ 2004.12.11 04:07:29 ] Tion > ok thanks "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:04:00 - [6] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2100001042 Channel Name: big Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 03:54:05 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 03:54:15 ] Fret > ok [ 2004.12.11 03:54:57 ] Evanthe > g'day [ 2004.12.11 03:55:03 ] Fret > hiya [ 2004.12.11 03:55:23 ] Evanthe > I'm tions alt I'm hauling stuff around right now. (Using a nutral corp to avoid allince wars) [ 2004.12.11 03:55:37 ] Fret > :() [ 2004.12.11 03:55:56 ] Evanthe > I don't have much time before work... other wise I'd stop and switch. ;-) [ 2004.12.11 03:56:06 ] Fret > hmmm\ [ 2004.12.11 03:56:34 ] Fret > well id prefer to deal with the character mentioned in the auction [ 2004.12.11 03:56:50 ] Fret > as u understand scamming is common place in this game [ 2004.12.11 03:57:04 ] Evanthe > sure [ 2004.12.11 03:57:15 ] Evanthe > well we can wait till I dock? [ 2004.12.11 03:57:24 ] Fret > sure [ 2004.12.11 03:57:29 ] Fret > how long will that be? [ 2004.12.11 03:57:44 ] Evanthe > 40 more jumps lol [ 2004.12.11 03:57:47 ] Fret > lol [ 2004.12.11 03:58:17 ] Fret > well if u dont mind...just pull into a station and switch...otherwise i have lucch with my wife [ 2004.12.11 03:58:26 ] Fret > lunch* [ 2004.12.11 03:58:45 ] Evanthe > would a quick switch just to prove it be enough? [ 2004.12.11 03:59:07 ] Fret > well the total process should not take to much of your time [ 2004.12.11 03:59:16 ] Evanthe > ok hold on then [ 2004.12.11 04:00:32 ] Tion > there ya go [ 2004.12.11 04:00:54 ] Fret > ok i will transfer the isk to you...have u already verified the character? [ 2004.12.11 04:01:27 ] Tion > yup [ 2004.12.11 04:01:35 ] Fret > sent [ 2004.12.11 04:01:56 ] Tion > ok Axee send the char :) [ 2004.12.11 04:02:24 ] Axee > Alright, can you tell me the account anme again? thanks. [ 2004.12.11 04:02:31 ] Fret > virgo79 [ 2004.12.11 04:05:43 ] Axee > Alright, sent. it says. may take up to 24 hours. [ 2004.12.11 04:05:57 ] Fret > hmmm i wonder why [ 2004.12.11 04:06:40 ] Axee > i dunno its not me working it. i gtg now sorry. hopefully it will not take 24 hours. [ 2004.12.11 04:07:04 ] Fret > lol [ 2004.12.11 04:07:08 ] Tion > I'll hold the isk for 24 Hours would that be ok? [ 2004.12.11 04:07:14 ] Fret > sure [ 2004.12.11 04:07:20 ] Fret > ill log and check [ 2004.12.11 04:07:29 ] Tion > ok thanks "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:05:00 - [7] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2100001042 Channel Name: big Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 12:46:45 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 14:43:43 ] Fret > hi [ 2004.12.11 14:44:34 ] Fret > sham u there? [ 2004.12.11 14:49:10 ] shambley > yes [ 2004.12.11 14:49:32 ] Fret > are u familiar with tion? [ 2004.12.11 14:49:40 ] shambley > i know him yes [ 2004.12.11 14:49:52 ] Fret > is he a trustworthy part of BIG? [ 2004.12.11 14:50:56 ] Fret > or is that question too trivial? [ 2004.12.11 14:50:59 ] shambley > you know BIG's reputation trustworthy and out rep is very important [ 2004.12.11 14:51:16 ] shambley > what seems to be the problem? [ 2004.12.11 14:51:29 ] Fret > well no problem ....yet [ 2004.12.11 14:51:44 ] Fret > and hopefuly everything will work out [ 2004.12.11 14:51:44 ] shambley > Is this to do with a char exchange? [ 2004.12.11 14:51:50 ] Fret > yes [ 2004.12.11 14:52:05 ] shambley > It has been discussed at lenght internally [ 2004.12.11 14:52:15 ] Fret > i know... i am the last i think [ 2004.12.11 14:52:26 ] shambley > we dont really do this as a rule - but tion was helping out a friend [ 2004.12.11 14:52:35 ] Fret > yes i am the client [ 2004.12.11 14:53:21 ] shambley > if he manages the transaction and does the checks that char is genuine then there will be no problem - but we dont really do this and dont really want to get into it as a rule [ 2004.12.11 14:53:57 ] shambley > This case i believe our ceo has agreed to - let me check the thread to make sure [ 2004.12.11 14:54:09 ] Fret > yes she did [ 2004.12.11 14:55:00 ] Fret > i already payed for the char...i have not recived it yet though...the seller siad that it said to wait 24 hours [ 2004.12.11 14:55:21 ] Fret > so atm i am on edge [ 2004.12.11 14:56:52 ] shambley > just cuaght up on thread [ 2004.12.11 14:57:14 ] shambley > yes char has been transferred and there is a 24 hour delay while ccp does thier bit [ 2004.12.11 14:57:22 ] Fret > well.... [ 2004.12.11 14:57:35 ] Fret > i have done this before... and it was usualy instant [ 2004.12.11 14:58:13 ] Fret > and how do u know it was trasfered? [ 2004.12.11 14:58:17 ] shambley > Its a manual provess by CCP ie if there is a guy at the desk dong nothing then its quick if there isnt its a bit slower [ 2004.12.11 14:59:38 ] shambley > fret from statement in forum -- tion explained all the action in the process and explains he was worried it might blow up in his face - BIG will make sure this transaction has a satifactory outcome not just tion so hang tight [ 2004.12.11 15:00:03 ] shambley > ps how much ISK ws char? [ 2004.12.11 15:00:19 ] Fret > 750 million [ 2004.12.11 15:00:29 ] shambley > rich bugger lol [ 2004.12.11 15:00:48 ] shambley > dont worry you will get char or ISK back [ 2004.12.11 15:01:10 ] Fret > well i hope for the char most of all [ 2004.12.11 15:01:30 ] shambley > looking for a char without that -7.8 standings yes :-) [ 2004.12.11 15:01:36 ] Fret > :() [ 2004.12.11 15:01:46 ] Fret > ive been a bad girl [ 2004.12.11 15:01:53 ] shambley > lol [ 2004.12.11 15:02:14 ] Fret > well i will hang tight, im sure it will all work out [ 2004.12.11 15:02:31 ] shambley > one thing do not tell people BIG was middle man we do not want to be approached for this kinda deal again [ 2004.12.11 15:03:00 ] shambley > ie BIG does not condone buying char's for ISK [ 2004.12.11 15:03:09 ] Fret > i wont...however i hope to have a connection with you all [ 2004.12.11 15:03:29 ] shambley > lol not with missiles i hope hehe [ 2004.12.11 15:03:37 ] Fret > it is not an illigal action to buy a char for isk [ 2004.12.11 15:03:51 ] shambley > true but we dont condone it anyway [ 2004.12.11 15:03:58 ] Fret > devs have made that clear [ 2004.12.11 15:04:08 ] Fret > i see [ 2004.12.11 15:04:17 ] Fret > well its big business [ 2004.12.11 15:04:54 ] shambley > well as its a weekend i dont know how speedy CCP are on char transfers but i hpe you feel at ease a little more [ 2004.12.11 15:05:04 ] Fret > indeed i do [ 2004.12.11 15:05:07 ] Fret > tyvm [ 2004.12.11 15:05:22 ] shambley > np [ 2004.12.11 15:05:38 ] Fret > im off to sleep, perhaps when i wake it will be delivered [ 2004.12.11 15:05:43 ] Fret > ty again [ 2004.12.11 15:05:48 ] shambley > :-) "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:05:00 - [8] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2100001042 Channel Name: big Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 04:08:35 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 04:11:19 ] Tion > sorry crashed [ 2004.12.11 04:11:45 ] Tion > Just eve mail me if it doesn't come I'll send your ISK back. I'm working nights right now and Someimes I'm to tired to get on. [ 2004.12.11 04:14:53 ] Fret > no i didnt recieve it yet [ 2004.12.11 04:15:09 ] Fret > i dont like the way he loged either [ 2004.12.11 04:15:16 ] Fret > thats not good business [ 2004.12.11 04:15:32 ] Fret > even if he is genuine it still looks bad [ 2004.12.11 04:15:42 ] Tion > yes it does. [ 2004.12.11 04:15:47 ] Tion > We'll wait and see [ 2004.12.11 04:15:52 ] Fret > indeed [ 2004.12.11 04:15:58 ] Fret > do u know him? [ 2004.12.11 04:17:20 ] Tion > Well He's a friend of my friend. (RL) [ 2004.12.11 04:17:29 ] Tion > Other wise I'd never have agreed to this [ 2004.12.11 04:17:34 ] Tion > I got into a LOT of trouble [ 2004.12.11 04:17:41 ] Tion > for agreeing to do it in the first place. [ 2004.12.11 04:18:44 ] Fret > well i trust you only because u are a member of BIG, i hope your friend would not try to cheat me [ 2004.12.11 04:19:16 ] Tion > I hope so too Or I'm going to get one hell of a spanking from TornSoul [ 2004.12.11 04:19:37 ] Fret > well he is your rl friend so lets hope not [ 2004.12.11 04:20:18 ] Fret > if i dont have the character by next server reboot, ill be contacting tornsoul [ 2004.12.11 04:20:47 ] Tion > eve mail me and I'll send you your ISK back :) [ 2004.12.11 04:20:57 ] Fret > i have transfered characters many times....i have never recieved a wait, it is usualy instant [ 2004.12.11 04:21:19 ] Tion > I do not know because I've never done it that is starnge for sure [ 2004.12.11 04:21:27 ] Fret > but hopefuly i get the char...after all thts what i want the most [ 2004.12.11 04:21:40 ] Fret > ty for your help sir, i have to go to lunch [ 2004.12.11 04:21:43 ] Fret > ill be in touch [ 2004.12.11 04:21:44 ] Tion > yes it's a nice char [ 2004.12.11 04:21:50 ] Tion > ok enjoy your lunch "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:05:00 - [9] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2100001042 Channel Name: big Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 12:46:45 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 14:43:43 ] Fret > hi [ 2004.12.11 14:44:34 ] Fret > sham u there? [ 2004.12.11 14:49:10 ] shambley > yes [ 2004.12.11 14:49:32 ] Fret > are u familiar with tion? [ 2004.12.11 14:49:40 ] shambley > i know him yes [ 2004.12.11 14:49:52 ] Fret > is he a trustworthy part of BIG? [ 2004.12.11 14:50:56 ] Fret > or is that question too trivial? [ 2004.12.11 14:50:59 ] shambley > you know BIG's reputation trustworthy and out rep is very important [ 2004.12.11 14:51:16 ] shambley > what seems to be the problem? [ 2004.12.11 14:51:29 ] Fret > well no problem ....yet [ 2004.12.11 14:51:44 ] Fret > and hopefuly everything will work out [ 2004.12.11 14:51:44 ] shambley > Is this to do with a char exchange? [ 2004.12.11 14:51:50 ] Fret > yes [ 2004.12.11 14:52:05 ] shambley > It has been discussed at lenght internally [ 2004.12.11 14:52:15 ] Fret > i know... i am the last i think [ 2004.12.11 14:52:26 ] shambley > we dont really do this as a rule - but tion was helping out a friend [ 2004.12.11 14:52:35 ] Fret > yes i am the client [ 2004.12.11 14:53:21 ] shambley > if he manages the transaction and does the checks that char is genuine then there will be no problem - but we dont really do this and dont really want to get into it as a rule [ 2004.12.11 14:53:57 ] shambley > This case i believe our ceo has agreed to - let me check the thread to make sure [ 2004.12.11 14:54:09 ] Fret > yes she did [ 2004.12.11 14:55:00 ] Fret > i already payed for the char...i have not recived it yet though...the seller siad that it said to wait 24 hours [ 2004.12.11 14:55:21 ] Fret > so atm i am on edge [ 2004.12.11 14:56:52 ] shambley > just cuaght up on thread [ 2004.12.11 14:57:14 ] shambley > yes char has been transferred and there is a 24 hour delay while ccp does thier bit [ 2004.12.11 14:57:22 ] Fret > well.... [ 2004.12.11 14:57:35 ] Fret > i have done this before... and it was usualy instant [ 2004.12.11 14:58:13 ] Fret > and how do u know it was trasfered? [ 2004.12.11 14:58:17 ] shambley > Its a manual provess by CCP ie if there is a guy at the desk dong nothing then its quick if there isnt its a bit slower [ 2004.12.11 14:59:38 ] shambley > fret from statement in forum -- tion explained all the action in the process and explains he was worried it might blow up in his face - BIG will make sure this transaction has a satifactory outcome not just tion so hang tight [ 2004.12.11 15:00:03 ] shambley > ps how much ISK ws char? [ 2004.12.11 15:00:19 ] Fret > 750 million [ 2004.12.11 15:00:29 ] shambley > rich bugger lol [ 2004.12.11 15:00:48 ] shambley > dont worry you will get char or ISK back [ 2004.12.11 15:01:10 ] Fret > well i hope for the char most of all [ 2004.12.11 15:01:30 ] shambley > looking for a char without that -7.8 standings yes :-) [ 2004.12.11 15:01:36 ] Fret > :() [ 2004.12.11 15:01:46 ] Fret > ive been a bad girl [ 2004.12.11 15:01:53 ] shambley > lol [ 2004.12.11 15:02:14 ] Fret > well i will hang tight, im sure it will all work out [ 2004.12.11 15:02:31 ] shambley > one thing do not tell people BIG was middle man we do not want to be approached for this kinda deal again [ 2004.12.11 15:03:00 ] shambley > ie BIG does not condone buying char's for ISK [ 2004.12.11 15:03:09 ] Fret > i wont...however i hope to have a connection with you all [ 2004.12.11 15:03:29 ] shambley > lol not with missiles i hope hehe [ 2004.12.11 15:03:37 ] Fret > it is not an illigal action to buy a char for isk [ 2004.12.11 15:03:51 ] shambley > true but we dont condone it anyway [ 2004.12.11 15:03:58 ] Fret > devs have made that clear [ 2004.12.11 15:04:08 ] Fret > i see [ 2004.12.11 15:04:17 ] Fret > well its big business [ 2004.12.11 15:04:54 ] shambley > well as its a weekend i dont know how speedy CCP are on char transfers but i hpe you feel at ease a little more [ 2004.12.11 15:05:04 ] Fret > indeed i do [ 2004.12.11 15:05:07 ] Fret > tyvm [ 2004.12.11 15:05:22 ] shambley > np [ 2004.12.11 15:05:38 ] Fret > im off to sleep, perhaps when i wake it will be delivered [ 2004.12.11 15:05:43 ] Fret > ty again [ 2004.12.11 15:05:48 ] shambley > :-) "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:05:00 - [10] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2100001042 Channel Name: big Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 04:08:35 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 04:11:19 ] Tion > sorry crashed [ 2004.12.11 04:11:45 ] Tion > Just eve mail me if it doesn't come I'll send your ISK back. I'm working nights right now and Someimes I'm to tired to get on. [ 2004.12.11 04:14:53 ] Fret > no i didnt recieve it yet [ 2004.12.11 04:15:09 ] Fret > i dont like the way he loged either [ 2004.12.11 04:15:16 ] Fret > thats not good business [ 2004.12.11 04:15:32 ] Fret > even if he is genuine it still looks bad [ 2004.12.11 04:15:42 ] Tion > yes it does. [ 2004.12.11 04:15:47 ] Tion > We'll wait and see [ 2004.12.11 04:15:52 ] Fret > indeed [ 2004.12.11 04:15:58 ] Fret > do u know him? [ 2004.12.11 04:17:20 ] Tion > Well He's a friend of my friend. (RL) [ 2004.12.11 04:17:29 ] Tion > Other wise I'd never have agreed to this [ 2004.12.11 04:17:34 ] Tion > I got into a LOT of trouble [ 2004.12.11 04:17:41 ] Tion > for agreeing to do it in the first place. [ 2004.12.11 04:18:44 ] Fret > well i trust you only because u are a member of BIG, i hope your friend would not try to cheat me [ 2004.12.11 04:19:16 ] Tion > I hope so too Or I'm going to get one hell of a spanking from TornSoul [ 2004.12.11 04:19:37 ] Fret > well he is your rl friend so lets hope not [ 2004.12.11 04:20:18 ] Fret > if i dont have the character by next server reboot, ill be contacting tornsoul [ 2004.12.11 04:20:47 ] Tion > eve mail me and I'll send you your ISK back :) [ 2004.12.11 04:20:57 ] Fret > i have transfered characters many times....i have never recieved a wait, it is usualy instant [ 2004.12.11 04:21:19 ] Tion > I do not know because I've never done it that is starnge for sure [ 2004.12.11 04:21:27 ] Fret > but hopefuly i get the char...after all thts what i want the most [ 2004.12.11 04:21:40 ] Fret > ty for your help sir, i have to go to lunch [ 2004.12.11 04:21:43 ] Fret > ill be in touch [ 2004.12.11 04:21:44 ] Tion > yes it's a nice char [ 2004.12.11 04:21:50 ] Tion > ok enjoy your lunch "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Hakera	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:06:00 - [11] fret there is little point is posting all this because any such logs can be faked, petition the GM's and let them sort it. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:06:00 - [12] fret there is little point is posting all this because any such logs can be faked, petition the GM's and let them sort it. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:09:00 - [13] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((33171001111L, 21771000114L), (145137125, 1834352365, None), (147917989, 147768728, 1963166628))),) Channel Name: TornSoul Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.13 20:33:38 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.13 20:33:42 ] TornSoul > lo [ 2004.12.13 20:33:45 ] Fret > hi [ 2004.12.13 20:33:55 ] Fret > just loged on....still no char :( [ 2004.12.13 20:34:09 ] TornSoul > ive mailed you [ 2004.12.13 20:34:18 ] Fret > yes, tyvm [ 2004.12.13 20:34:33 ] Fret > i get a bad feeling :( [ 2004.12.13 20:34:40 ] TornSoul > dont worry im lookign into it [ 2004.12.13 20:35:04 ] TornSoul > coudl you please RL mail mea screenshot of your wallet [ 2004.12.13 20:35:18 ] Fret > i sent a mail to CCP enquireing if a char was sent to my account [ 2004.12.13 20:35:20 ] TornSoul > with the browser next to it showign the latest news [ 2004.12.13 20:36:03 ] Fret > well...im not sure how to do that, but i trust you to log imto my account and see for yourself [ 2004.12.13 20:36:33 ] TornSoul > ok - change your pw first though [ 2004.12.13 20:36:38 ] TornSoul > and then change it back when im done [ 2004.12.13 20:37:00 ] TornSoul > (if youd liek to keep yoru current pw that is) [ 2004.12.13 20:37:09 ] TornSoul > I dont want to know your active pw [ 2004.12.13 20:37:20 ] Fret > yes one sec...... [ 2004.12.13 20:37:30 ] Fret > let me change it real quick [ 2004.12.13 20:39:20 ] Fret > if u dont mind...after u have a look log right back off so i can talk with you before i head to work [ 2004.12.13 20:39:36 ] TornSoul > i will [ 2004.12.13 20:40:33 ] Fret > ok... *** [ 2004.12.13 20:40:40 ] Fret > password biginvestigation [ 2004.12.13 20:40:52 ] Fret > ill log back on in 5 or 10 minutes [ 2004.12.13 20:41:05 ] Fret > * [ 2004.12.13 20:41:07 ] TornSoul > * with a space? [ 2004.12.13 20:41:12 ] Fret > [ 2004.12.13 20:41:13 ] TornSoul > .. [ 2004.12.13 20:41:16 ] Fret > no [ 2004.12.13 20:41:21 ] Fret > *** [ 2004.12.13 20:41:24 ] TornSoul > k [ 2004.12.13 20:41:30 ] Fret > sorry [ 2004.12.13 20:41:33 ] Fret > * [ 2004.12.13 20:41:39 ] Fret > **** [ 2004.12.13 20:41:45 ] TornSoul > got it [ 2004.12.13 20:41:49 ] TornSoul > simpyl stay here [ 2004.12.13 20:41:49 ] Fret > k logging off [ 2004.12.13 20:41:54 ] TornSoul > ill aoutboot yu when i log in "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:09:00 - [14] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((33171001111L, 21771000114L), (145137125, 1834352365, None), (147917989, 147768728, 1963166628))),) Channel Name: TornSoul Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.13 20:33:38 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.13 20:33:42 ] TornSoul > lo [ 2004.12.13 20:33:45 ] Fret > hi [ 2004.12.13 20:33:55 ] Fret > just loged on....still no char :( [ 2004.12.13 20:34:09 ] TornSoul > ive mailed you [ 2004.12.13 20:34:18 ] Fret > yes, tyvm [ 2004.12.13 20:34:33 ] Fret > i get a bad feeling :( [ 2004.12.13 20:34:40 ] TornSoul > dont worry im lookign into it [ 2004.12.13 20:35:04 ] TornSoul > coudl you please RL mail mea screenshot of your wallet [ 2004.12.13 20:35:18 ] Fret > i sent a mail to CCP enquireing if a char was sent to my account [ 2004.12.13 20:35:20 ] TornSoul > with the browser next to it showign the latest news [ 2004.12.13 20:36:03 ] Fret > well...im not sure how to do that, but i trust you to log imto my account and see for yourself [ 2004.12.13 20:36:33 ] TornSoul > ok - change your pw first though [ 2004.12.13 20:36:38 ] TornSoul > and then change it back when im done [ 2004.12.13 20:37:00 ] TornSoul > (if youd liek to keep yoru current pw that is) [ 2004.12.13 20:37:09 ] TornSoul > I dont want to know your active pw [ 2004.12.13 20:37:20 ] Fret > yes one sec...... [ 2004.12.13 20:37:30 ] Fret > let me change it real quick [ 2004.12.13 20:39:20 ] Fret > if u dont mind...after u have a look log right back off so i can talk with you before i head to work [ 2004.12.13 20:39:36 ] TornSoul > i will [ 2004.12.13 20:40:33 ] Fret > ok... *** [ 2004.12.13 20:40:40 ] Fret > password biginvestigation [ 2004.12.13 20:40:52 ] Fret > ill log back on in 5 or 10 minutes [ 2004.12.13 20:41:05 ] Fret > * [ 2004.12.13 20:41:07 ] TornSoul > * with a space? [ 2004.12.13 20:41:12 ] Fret > [ 2004.12.13 20:41:13 ] TornSoul > .. [ 2004.12.13 20:41:16 ] Fret > no [ 2004.12.13 20:41:21 ] Fret > *** [ 2004.12.13 20:41:24 ] TornSoul > k [ 2004.12.13 20:41:30 ] Fret > sorry [ 2004.12.13 20:41:33 ] Fret > * [ 2004.12.13 20:41:39 ] Fret > **** [ 2004.12.13 20:41:45 ] TornSoul > got it [ 2004.12.13 20:41:49 ] TornSoul > simpyl stay here [ 2004.12.13 20:41:49 ] Fret > k logging off [ 2004.12.13 20:41:54 ] TornSoul > ill aoutboot yu when i log in "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
themule	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:09:00 - [15] Why would the GM's do anything scamming is allowed (Mabye not buying Charactors for isk though?). Plus i beleve BIG in this case. The screen shot showed no signs of being faked and i don't think they would ruin their reputation for 750 mil.
themule	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:09:00 - [16] Why would the GM's do anything scamming is allowed (Mabye not buying Charactors for isk though?). Plus i beleve BIG in this case. The screen shot showed no signs of being faked and i don't think they would ruin their reputation for 750 mil.
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:10:00 - [17] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((35031001110L, 34291001111L), (145137125, 1834352365, None), (147917989, 147768728, 1963166628))),) Channel Name: TornSoul Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.13 20:52:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.13 20:52:28 ] TornSoul > ok i got the SS [ 2004.12.13 20:52:32 ] TornSoul > one q [ 2004.12.13 20:52:38 ] Fret > whats the ss? [ 2004.12.13 20:52:48 ] TornSoul > screenshot [ 2004.12.13 20:52:57 ] Fret > oh hehe [ 2004.12.13 20:52:59 ] TornSoul > q : who's emrald.... [ 2004.12.13 20:53:25 ] Fret > used to be my xtra char to transprt...as u know my sec rating sucks [ 2004.12.13 20:53:45 ] Fret > one reason why i want a new char [ 2004.12.13 20:53:58 ] TornSoul > why trash emrald? [ 2004.12.13 20:54:19 ] TornSoul > or are you gogin to tash this one as well? [ 2004.12.13 20:54:25 ] TornSoul > trash [ 2004.12.13 20:54:38 ] Fret > she was a newb..... and i was actualy in two auctions for chars on eve-online [ 2004.12.13 20:54:44 ] Fret > so i needed to make space [ 2004.12.13 20:54:54 ] Fret > but didnt have enough isk for both in the end [ 2004.12.13 20:55:21 ] TornSoul > what the name of the char youre buynig? [ 2004.12.13 20:55:36 ] Fret > never found out [ 2004.12.13 20:55:46 ] TornSoul > huh? [ 2004.12.13 20:56:05 ] Fret > as soon as i transfeerd the isk...axee loged off [ 2004.12.13 20:56:40 ] Fret > Tion said not to worry because axee is h9is rl friend [ 2004.12.13 20:56:48 ] TornSoul > So let me get this right... you cant get into empir becuase of your bad stanidng n this char - yet you buy a char without knwong the name of it so you can check if it too shoudlhav a bad sec rating? [ 2004.12.13 20:57:37 ] Fret > well i spokw with axee and Tion about the char...and i trusted them...especialy tion [ 2004.12.13 20:57:59 ] TornSoul > Tion is not the problme - dont worry about that [ 2004.12.13 20:58:40 ] Fret > i am a very trusting person...and the auction seemed alright [ 2004.12.13 20:59:47 ] Fret > if u look on the forums you will see i was bidding for 2 characters..... [ 2004.12.13 20:59:54 ] TornSoul > I findit damn hard to beleive you didnt eevn ask fro the char name.... [ 2004.12.13 21:00:01 ] Fret > thats why i cleared the way to be abe to have 2 [ 2004.12.13 21:00:21 ] TornSoul > what race was is the char? [ 2004.12.13 21:00:31 ] Fret > amarr [ 2004.12.13 21:00:35 ] Fret > ohh [ 2004.12.13 21:00:41 ] Fret > the one i was bidding on? [ 2004.12.13 21:01:23 ] TornSoul > yes [ 2004.12.13 21:02:22 ] Fret > if u notice i had 1.1 billion and change.... the auctions grew to the point where i could not afford both...i just chose to bid higher on the one with the most skill points..... [ 2004.12.13 21:02:43 ] Fret > and i let the other go [ 2004.12.13 21:03:07 ] Fret > ohh..... [ 2004.12.13 21:03:33 ] Fret > you must be wondering why most of my isk was transfere4d from emrald...... [ 2004.12.13 21:03:36 ] TornSoul > nods* [ 2004.12.13 21:04:17 ] Fret > i recently purchaced fret also.... [ 2004.12.13 21:05:26 ] Fret > so emrald was holding most of my assets...after i recieved this char i didnt need the isk because fret already had about 25 million on her [ 2004.12.13 21:06:12 ] Fret > when it came time for me to buy these ther characters i had to transfer everything to fret [ 2004.12.13 21:06:31 ] Fret > i know it seems strage...but true [ 2004.12.13 21:06:54 ] Fret > i assure you emrald has no bad past or any bad mentionings [ 2004.12.13 21:07:08 ] Fret > if u investigate that you will see [ 2004.12.13 21:07:46 ] Fret > i must head out for work.... is there any other info you would like before i head out? [ 2004.12.13 21:08:09 ] TornSoul > good for now [ 2004.12.13 21:08:11 ] TornSoul > else ill mail you [ 2004.12.13 21:08:34 ] Fret > ok, i hope you understand my possition.... [ 2004.12.13 21:09:16 ] TornSoul > yes [ 2004.12.13 21:09:22 ] Fret > all im after is this character [ 2004.12.13 21:09:36 ] Fret > it just doesnt seem right...i have nothing to hide [ 2004.12.13 21:10:10 ] TornSoul > I understand [ 2004.12.13 21:10:19 ] Fret > ok i hope to hear from you soon [ 2004.12.13 21:10:27 ] TornSoul > as i said inmymail [ 2004.12.13 21:10:32 ] TornSoul > Tion is in a diff tiemzone than me [ 2004.12.13 21:10:35 ] Fret > ill be off work in 13 hours from now [ 2004.12.13 21:10:39 ] TornSoul > so commuincation takes a while ;) [ 2004.12.13 21:10:53 ] Fret > well im on al the time...and he hasnt loged since then [ 2004.12.13 21:11:17 ] Fret > ok i need to go...15 minutes late aready lol [ 2004.12.13 21:11:30 ] TornSoul > rgr [ 2004.12.13 21:11:33 ] Fret > 13 hours from now ill be n...hope to speak then "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:10:00 - [18] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((35031001110L, 34291001111L), (145137125, 1834352365, None), (147917989, 147768728, 1963166628))),) Channel Name: TornSoul Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.13 20:52:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.13 20:52:28 ] TornSoul > ok i got the SS [ 2004.12.13 20:52:32 ] TornSoul > one q [ 2004.12.13 20:52:38 ] Fret > whats the ss? [ 2004.12.13 20:52:48 ] TornSoul > screenshot [ 2004.12.13 20:52:57 ] Fret > oh hehe [ 2004.12.13 20:52:59 ] TornSoul > q : who's emrald.... [ 2004.12.13 20:53:25 ] Fret > used to be my xtra char to transprt...as u know my sec rating sucks [ 2004.12.13 20:53:45 ] Fret > one reason why i want a new char [ 2004.12.13 20:53:58 ] TornSoul > why trash emrald? [ 2004.12.13 20:54:19 ] TornSoul > or are you gogin to tash this one as well? [ 2004.12.13 20:54:25 ] TornSoul > trash [ 2004.12.13 20:54:38 ] Fret > she was a newb..... and i was actualy in two auctions for chars on eve-online [ 2004.12.13 20:54:44 ] Fret > so i needed to make space [ 2004.12.13 20:54:54 ] Fret > but didnt have enough isk for both in the end [ 2004.12.13 20:55:21 ] TornSoul > what the name of the char youre buynig? [ 2004.12.13 20:55:36 ] Fret > never found out [ 2004.12.13 20:55:46 ] TornSoul > huh? [ 2004.12.13 20:56:05 ] Fret > as soon as i transfeerd the isk...axee loged off [ 2004.12.13 20:56:40 ] Fret > Tion said not to worry because axee is h9is rl friend [ 2004.12.13 20:56:48 ] TornSoul > So let me get this right... you cant get into empir becuase of your bad stanidng n this char - yet you buy a char without knwong the name of it so you can check if it too shoudlhav a bad sec rating? [ 2004.12.13 20:57:37 ] Fret > well i spokw with axee and Tion about the char...and i trusted them...especialy tion [ 2004.12.13 20:57:59 ] TornSoul > Tion is not the problme - dont worry about that [ 2004.12.13 20:58:40 ] Fret > i am a very trusting person...and the auction seemed alright [ 2004.12.13 20:59:47 ] Fret > if u look on the forums you will see i was bidding for 2 characters..... [ 2004.12.13 20:59:54 ] TornSoul > I findit damn hard to beleive you didnt eevn ask fro the char name.... [ 2004.12.13 21:00:01 ] Fret > thats why i cleared the way to be abe to have 2 [ 2004.12.13 21:00:21 ] TornSoul > what race was is the char? [ 2004.12.13 21:00:31 ] Fret > amarr [ 2004.12.13 21:00:35 ] Fret > ohh [ 2004.12.13 21:00:41 ] Fret > the one i was bidding on? [ 2004.12.13 21:01:23 ] TornSoul > yes [ 2004.12.13 21:02:22 ] Fret > if u notice i had 1.1 billion and change.... the auctions grew to the point where i could not afford both...i just chose to bid higher on the one with the most skill points..... [ 2004.12.13 21:02:43 ] Fret > and i let the other go [ 2004.12.13 21:03:07 ] Fret > ohh..... [ 2004.12.13 21:03:33 ] Fret > you must be wondering why most of my isk was transfere4d from emrald...... [ 2004.12.13 21:03:36 ] TornSoul > nods* [ 2004.12.13 21:04:17 ] Fret > i recently purchaced fret also.... [ 2004.12.13 21:05:26 ] Fret > so emrald was holding most of my assets...after i recieved this char i didnt need the isk because fret already had about 25 million on her [ 2004.12.13 21:06:12 ] Fret > when it came time for me to buy these ther characters i had to transfer everything to fret [ 2004.12.13 21:06:31 ] Fret > i know it seems strage...but true [ 2004.12.13 21:06:54 ] Fret > i assure you emrald has no bad past or any bad mentionings [ 2004.12.13 21:07:08 ] Fret > if u investigate that you will see [ 2004.12.13 21:07:46 ] Fret > i must head out for work.... is there any other info you would like before i head out? [ 2004.12.13 21:08:09 ] TornSoul > good for now [ 2004.12.13 21:08:11 ] TornSoul > else ill mail you [ 2004.12.13 21:08:34 ] Fret > ok, i hope you understand my possition.... [ 2004.12.13 21:09:16 ] TornSoul > yes [ 2004.12.13 21:09:22 ] Fret > all im after is this character [ 2004.12.13 21:09:36 ] Fret > it just doesnt seem right...i have nothing to hide [ 2004.12.13 21:10:10 ] TornSoul > I understand [ 2004.12.13 21:10:19 ] Fret > ok i hope to hear from you soon [ 2004.12.13 21:10:27 ] TornSoul > as i said inmymail [ 2004.12.13 21:10:32 ] TornSoul > Tion is in a diff tiemzone than me [ 2004.12.13 21:10:35 ] Fret > ill be off work in 13 hours from now [ 2004.12.13 21:10:39 ] TornSoul > so commuincation takes a while ;) [ 2004.12.13 21:10:53 ] Fret > well im on al the time...and he hasnt loged since then [ 2004.12.13 21:11:17 ] Fret > ok i need to go...15 minutes late aready lol [ 2004.12.13 21:11:30 ] TornSoul > rgr [ 2004.12.13 21:11:33 ] Fret > 13 hours from now ill be n...hope to speak then "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:11:00 - [19] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:35:13 --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((8781001102L, 8201000101L), (147917989, 147768728, 1963166628), (145137125, 1834352365, None))),) Channel Name: TornSoul Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.15 13:22:45 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.15 13:22:58 ] Fret > hi tornsoul [ 2004.12.15 13:23:04 ] TornSoul > hi there [ 2004.12.15 13:23:18 ] TornSoul > Could you do me a favor [ 2004.12.15 13:23:22 ] Fret > sure [ 2004.12.15 13:23:23 ] TornSoul > in detail [ 2004.12.15 13:23:26 ] Fret > ok [ 2004.12.15 13:23:46 ] TornSoul > tell me step by step by step how this whole thing went down (or not as the case might be) [ 2004.12.15 13:23:57 ] TornSoul > from first contct until now [ 2004.12.15 13:24:01 ] TornSoul > in 'bullet form' [ 2004.12.15 13:24:03 ] Fret > ok...let me pass this bay to momy [ 2004.12.15 13:24:12 ] Fret > baby* [ 2004.12.15 13:27:43 ] Fret > ok im back [ 2004.12.15 13:27:45 ] Fret > sorry [ 2004.12.15 13:27:49 ] Fret > had to change a pamper [ 2004.12.15 13:28:00 ] TornSoul > np [ 2004.12.15 13:28:27 ] Fret > ok from the start...... [ 2004.12.15 13:29:15 ] Fret > my first contact from anyone concearning the auction was from axee...would u like me to forward you the mail? [ 2004.12.15 13:29:23 ] TornSoul > yes please [ 2004.12.15 13:29:31 ] TornSoul > ******* [ 2004.12.15 13:29:43 ] TornSoul > dont use the ingame crap [ 2004.12.15 13:30:04 ] Fret > well wat do u want me to do? [ 2004.12.15 13:30:08 ] Fret > what? [ 2004.12.15 13:30:14 ] Fret > what* [ 2004.12.15 13:30:25 ] TornSoul > mail me the mail as you said [ 2004.12.15 13:30:37 ] TornSoul > and any logs of convos youve had with axee/tion [ 2004.12.15 13:30:46 ] TornSoul > or anyone else involved inthis... [ 2004.12.15 13:31:05 ] Fret > well it is not that complicated [ 2004.12.15 13:31:22 ] Fret > i only recieved that mail from him, this was my first contact with him [ 2004.12.15 13:31:31 ] TornSoul > well - coudl you mail it to me [ 2004.12.15 13:32:00 ] Fret > well how do i do that....want to just access m yacco8un again? [ 2004.12.15 13:32:09 ] Fret > acount* [ 2004.12.15 13:32:27 ] TornSoul > uhm.. i could do that ofc - and just copy paste ti from there [ 2004.12.15 13:32:39 ] TornSoul > sure [ 2004.12.15 13:32:43 ] Fret > well thats what i just sent to you [ 2004.12.15 13:32:53 ] Fret > as i have said i have nothing to hide [ 2004.12.15 13:32:55 ] TornSoul > EVE mail? [ 2004.12.15 13:33:07 ] Fret > look ill change my password again [ 2004.12.15 13:33:15 ] Fret > one sec [ 2004.12.15 13:33:43 ] TornSoul > /emote hates the ingame mail thing.... [ 2004.12.15 13:34:13 ] TornSoul > especailyl since its bugged for me again - I cant sort by unread... the column is gone... (again - old resurfacing bug) [ 2004.12.15 13:34:53 ] Fret > ok same as last time...virgo79 [ 2004.12.15 13:34:57 ] Fret > biginvestigation [ 2004.12.15 13:35:11 ] Fret > logging off [ 2004.12.15 13:35:30 ] Fret > ok [ 2004.12.15 13:35:48 ] Fret > .... [ 2004.12.15 13:36:03 ] Fret > u there Tournsoul? [ 2004.12.15 13:36:32 ] Fret > /slash: fre clears his throat [ 2004.12.15 13:36:36 ] TornSoul > sorry [ 2004.12.15 13:36:39 ] Fret > hehe np [ 2004.12.15 13:36:42 ] TornSoul > was reading my damn mail [ 2004.12.15 13:36:54 ] Fret > hehe im sure you are busy [ 2004.12.15 13:37:07 ] TornSoul > btw - Ive ordered Tion to not respond to anything mail/forum etc [ 2004.12.15 13:37:12 ] TornSoul > wich is why you havetn heard from him [ 2004.12.15 13:37:26 ] TornSoul > Axee - No clue [ 2004.12.15 13:37:36 ] TornSoul > ok gimme 3-4 minutes [ 2004.12.15 13:37:59 ] Fret > i have been online 24/7 i have not seen him log on, and if u have spoken with him then why hasnt he refunded my isk? "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:11:00 - [20] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:35:13 --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((8781001102L, 8201000101L), (147917989, 147768728, 1963166628), (145137125, 1834352365, None))),) Channel Name: TornSoul Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.15 13:22:45 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.15 13:22:58 ] Fret > hi tornsoul [ 2004.12.15 13:23:04 ] TornSoul > hi there [ 2004.12.15 13:23:18 ] TornSoul > Could you do me a favor [ 2004.12.15 13:23:22 ] Fret > sure [ 2004.12.15 13:23:23 ] TornSoul > in detail [ 2004.12.15 13:23:26 ] Fret > ok [ 2004.12.15 13:23:46 ] TornSoul > tell me step by step by step how this whole thing went down (or not as the case might be) [ 2004.12.15 13:23:57 ] TornSoul > from first contct until now [ 2004.12.15 13:24:01 ] TornSoul > in 'bullet form' [ 2004.12.15 13:24:03 ] Fret > ok...let me pass this bay to momy [ 2004.12.15 13:24:12 ] Fret > baby* [ 2004.12.15 13:27:43 ] Fret > ok im back [ 2004.12.15 13:27:45 ] Fret > sorry [ 2004.12.15 13:27:49 ] Fret > had to change a pamper [ 2004.12.15 13:28:00 ] TornSoul > np [ 2004.12.15 13:28:27 ] Fret > ok from the start...... [ 2004.12.15 13:29:15 ] Fret > my first contact from anyone concearning the auction was from axee...would u like me to forward you the mail? [ 2004.12.15 13:29:23 ] TornSoul > yes please [ 2004.12.15 13:29:31 ] TornSoul > ******* [ 2004.12.15 13:29:43 ] TornSoul > dont use the ingame crap [ 2004.12.15 13:30:04 ] Fret > well wat do u want me to do? [ 2004.12.15 13:30:08 ] Fret > what? [ 2004.12.15 13:30:14 ] Fret > what* [ 2004.12.15 13:30:25 ] TornSoul > mail me the mail as you said [ 2004.12.15 13:30:37 ] TornSoul > and any logs of convos youve had with axee/tion [ 2004.12.15 13:30:46 ] TornSoul > or anyone else involved inthis... [ 2004.12.15 13:31:05 ] Fret > well it is not that complicated [ 2004.12.15 13:31:22 ] Fret > i only recieved that mail from him, this was my first contact with him [ 2004.12.15 13:31:31 ] TornSoul > well - coudl you mail it to me [ 2004.12.15 13:32:00 ] Fret > well how do i do that....want to just access m yacco8un again? [ 2004.12.15 13:32:09 ] Fret > acount* [ 2004.12.15 13:32:27 ] TornSoul > uhm.. i could do that ofc - and just copy paste ti from there [ 2004.12.15 13:32:39 ] TornSoul > sure [ 2004.12.15 13:32:43 ] Fret > well thats what i just sent to you [ 2004.12.15 13:32:53 ] Fret > as i have said i have nothing to hide [ 2004.12.15 13:32:55 ] TornSoul > EVE mail? [ 2004.12.15 13:33:07 ] Fret > look ill change my password again [ 2004.12.15 13:33:15 ] Fret > one sec [ 2004.12.15 13:33:43 ] TornSoul > /emote hates the ingame mail thing.... [ 2004.12.15 13:34:13 ] TornSoul > especailyl since its bugged for me again - I cant sort by unread... the column is gone... (again - old resurfacing bug) [ 2004.12.15 13:34:53 ] Fret > ok same as last time...virgo79 [ 2004.12.15 13:34:57 ] Fret > biginvestigation [ 2004.12.15 13:35:11 ] Fret > logging off [ 2004.12.15 13:35:30 ] Fret > ok [ 2004.12.15 13:35:48 ] Fret > .... [ 2004.12.15 13:36:03 ] Fret > u there Tournsoul? [ 2004.12.15 13:36:32 ] Fret > /slash: fre clears his throat [ 2004.12.15 13:36:36 ] TornSoul > sorry [ 2004.12.15 13:36:39 ] Fret > hehe np [ 2004.12.15 13:36:42 ] TornSoul > was reading my damn mail [ 2004.12.15 13:36:54 ] Fret > hehe im sure you are busy [ 2004.12.15 13:37:07 ] TornSoul > btw - Ive ordered Tion to not respond to anything mail/forum etc [ 2004.12.15 13:37:12 ] TornSoul > wich is why you havetn heard from him [ 2004.12.15 13:37:26 ] TornSoul > Axee - No clue [ 2004.12.15 13:37:36 ] TornSoul > ok gimme 3-4 minutes [ 2004.12.15 13:37:59 ] Fret > i have been online 24/7 i have not seen him log on, and if u have spoken with him then why hasnt he refunded my isk? "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:12:00 - [21] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:14:19 --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((10641001103L, 11701000101L), (147917989, 147768728, 1963166628), (145137125, 1834352365, None))),) Channel Name: TornSoul Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.15 14:02:38 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.15 14:02:44 ] TornSoul > lol [ 2004.12.15 14:02:48 ] TornSoul > wich one shoudl we use ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:03:01 ] TornSoul > (killed the other) [ 2004.12.15 14:03:04 ] Fret > what do u mean? [ 2004.12.15 14:03:33 ] TornSoul > I convoed you - and you convoed me - at the same time it looked like [ 2004.12.15 14:03:38 ] TornSoul > I got two convos popping up [ 2004.12.15 14:03:41 ] Fret > oh lol [ 2004.12.15 14:03:50 ] Fret > i see [ 2004.12.15 14:03:52 ] TornSoul > anyhow [ 2004.12.15 14:03:59 ] TornSoul > that axeee mail aint saying much ofc.. [ 2004.12.15 14:04:15 ] TornSoul > have you had no ohter communication with either Axee / Tion? [ 2004.12.15 14:04:15 ] Fret > well there wasnt much conversation [ 2004.12.15 14:04:36 ] Fret > we did most of our talking in in convo's after the auction [ 2004.12.15 14:04:45 ] Fret > im not sure what you are looking for.... [ 2004.12.15 14:04:48 ] TornSoul > who with? [ 2004.12.15 14:05:01 ] Fret > both of them [ 2004.12.15 14:05:12 ] TornSoul > well i dont knwo what im lookign for either... ill know when i see it.. someeon slipping up or whatever... [ 2004.12.15 14:05:29 ] Fret > where do u live? [ 2004.12.15 14:05:35 ] TornSoul > coudl you send me all the logs of all convos you've had with both of them? [ 2004.12.15 14:05:36 ] Fret > do u mind if i give you a call? [ 2004.12.15 14:05:46 ] TornSoul > i live in Denmark ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:05:55 ] Fret > ill give u a call if u dont mid [ 2004.12.15 14:05:58 ] Fret > mind* [ 2004.12.15 14:06:01 ] TornSoul > I do actaully... [ 2004.12.15 14:06:06 ] Fret > lol [ 2004.12.15 14:06:19 ] TornSoul > Not to keen on giving out my RL phonenumber [ 2004.12.15 14:06:21 ] TornSoul > no offense [ 2004.12.15 14:06:24 ] Fret > np [ 2004.12.15 14:06:37 ] Fret > i live in japan...its not like im going to stalk you lol [ 2004.12.15 14:06:38 ] TornSoul > coudl you get me those logs? [ 2004.12.15 14:06:44 ] Fret > what logs? [ 2004.12.15 14:06:49 ] TornSoul > woudl be an expensive phonecall.. [ 2004.12.15 14:06:52 ] Fret > how do i do that? [ 2004.12.15 14:06:57 ] Fret > i dont mind [ 2004.12.15 14:07:02 ] TornSoul > logs of the convos youve had with tion and/or axee [ 2004.12.15 14:07:02 ] TornSoul > as I said.. [ 2004.12.15 14:07:07 ] TornSoul > dunno what im looking for [ 2004.12.15 14:07:16 ] TornSoul > just want to see if they say something 'odd' [ 2004.12.15 14:07:18 ] Fret > how do i view my logs? [ 2004.12.15 14:07:33 ] Fret > you have loged on as me...why didnt u have a look? [ 2004.12.15 14:07:36 ] TornSoul > they are in your EVE folder [ 2004.12.15 14:07:44 ] TornSoul > eve/capture/chatlogs [ 2004.12.15 14:07:56 ] TornSoul > they are on your HD ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:08:05 ] Fret > ok brb [ 2004.12.15 14:08:45 ] TornSoul > btw [ 2004.12.15 14:08:53 ] Fret > i am doing a search now [ 2004.12.15 14:08:59 ] TornSoul > You said you had bougth this char (Fret) also ? [ 2004.12.15 14:09:05 ] Fret > yes [ 2004.12.15 14:09:12 ] TornSoul > When was that? [ 2004.12.15 14:09:27 ] Fret > about 2 or 3 weeks ago [ 2004.12.15 14:10:26 ] TornSoul > that recent.... [ 2004.12.15 14:10:31 ] Fret > yes...why [ 2004.12.15 14:10:47 ] Fret > that has nothing to do with my situation [ 2004.12.15 14:10:53 ] TornSoul > why then buy 2 new chars alrady again? [ 2004.12.15 14:11:19 ] TornSoul > well.. im jus curious about all this char buying is all... [ 2004.12.15 14:11:23 ] Fret > i actualy wanted to have 3 experianced characters [ 2004.12.15 14:11:36 ] Fret > one for mining one for hauling and 1 for hunting [ 2004.12.15 14:11:50 ] Fret > this char is stuk in a dead end of space [ 2004.12.15 14:11:59 ] Fret > -7.8 sec rating [ 2004.12.15 14:12:06 ] TornSoul > hmm ddint even look where it was at ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:12:22 ] Fret > ok where exactly do i need to search for this file? [ 2004.12.15 14:12:47 ] TornSoul > evefolder\capture\chatlogs [ 2004.12.15 14:13:36 ] Fret > i put that in my serch [ 2004.12.15 14:14:20 ] TornSoul > browse to where youre EVE game is installed [ 2004.12.15 14:15:05 ] TornSoul > c:\games\eve or whatever... [ 2004.12.15 14:16:49 ] Fret > ok searching again [ 2004.12.15 14:16:58 ] Fret > sorry im not computer savy [ 2004.12.15 14:17:29 ] Fret > with all due respect... i feel like you are treating me like im the one pulling a scam [ 2004.12.15 14:17:48 ] Fret > what do i have to gain in all of this? [ 2004.12.15 14:17:58 ] Fret > all i did was pay 750 million isk [ 2004.12.15 14:18:28 ] Fret > and if u have spoken with tion, why didnt you
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:12:00 - [22] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:14:19 --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((10641001103L, 11701000101L), (147917989, 147768728, 1963166628), (145137125, 1834352365, None))),) Channel Name: TornSoul Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.15 14:02:38 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.15 14:02:44 ] TornSoul > lol [ 2004.12.15 14:02:48 ] TornSoul > wich one shoudl we use ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:03:01 ] TornSoul > (killed the other) [ 2004.12.15 14:03:04 ] Fret > what do u mean? [ 2004.12.15 14:03:33 ] TornSoul > I convoed you - and you convoed me - at the same time it looked like [ 2004.12.15 14:03:38 ] TornSoul > I got two convos popping up [ 2004.12.15 14:03:41 ] Fret > oh lol [ 2004.12.15 14:03:50 ] Fret > i see [ 2004.12.15 14:03:52 ] TornSoul > anyhow [ 2004.12.15 14:03:59 ] TornSoul > that axeee mail aint saying much ofc.. [ 2004.12.15 14:04:15 ] TornSoul > have you had no ohter communication with either Axee / Tion? [ 2004.12.15 14:04:15 ] Fret > well there wasnt much conversation [ 2004.12.15 14:04:36 ] Fret > we did most of our talking in in convo's after the auction [ 2004.12.15 14:04:45 ] Fret > im not sure what you are looking for.... [ 2004.12.15 14:04:48 ] TornSoul > who with? [ 2004.12.15 14:05:01 ] Fret > both of them [ 2004.12.15 14:05:12 ] TornSoul > well i dont knwo what im lookign for either... ill know when i see it.. someeon slipping up or whatever... [ 2004.12.15 14:05:29 ] Fret > where do u live? [ 2004.12.15 14:05:35 ] TornSoul > coudl you send me all the logs of all convos you've had with both of them? [ 2004.12.15 14:05:36 ] Fret > do u mind if i give you a call? [ 2004.12.15 14:05:46 ] TornSoul > i live in Denmark ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:05:55 ] Fret > ill give u a call if u dont mid [ 2004.12.15 14:05:58 ] Fret > mind* [ 2004.12.15 14:06:01 ] TornSoul > I do actaully... [ 2004.12.15 14:06:06 ] Fret > lol [ 2004.12.15 14:06:19 ] TornSoul > Not to keen on giving out my RL phonenumber [ 2004.12.15 14:06:21 ] TornSoul > no offense [ 2004.12.15 14:06:24 ] Fret > np [ 2004.12.15 14:06:37 ] Fret > i live in japan...its not like im going to stalk you lol [ 2004.12.15 14:06:38 ] TornSoul > coudl you get me those logs? [ 2004.12.15 14:06:44 ] Fret > what logs? [ 2004.12.15 14:06:49 ] TornSoul > woudl be an expensive phonecall.. [ 2004.12.15 14:06:52 ] Fret > how do i do that? [ 2004.12.15 14:06:57 ] Fret > i dont mind [ 2004.12.15 14:07:02 ] TornSoul > logs of the convos youve had with tion and/or axee [ 2004.12.15 14:07:02 ] TornSoul > as I said.. [ 2004.12.15 14:07:07 ] TornSoul > dunno what im looking for [ 2004.12.15 14:07:16 ] TornSoul > just want to see if they say something 'odd' [ 2004.12.15 14:07:18 ] Fret > how do i view my logs? [ 2004.12.15 14:07:33 ] Fret > you have loged on as me...why didnt u have a look? [ 2004.12.15 14:07:36 ] TornSoul > they are in your EVE folder [ 2004.12.15 14:07:44 ] TornSoul > eve/capture/chatlogs [ 2004.12.15 14:07:56 ] TornSoul > they are on your HD ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:08:05 ] Fret > ok brb [ 2004.12.15 14:08:45 ] TornSoul > btw [ 2004.12.15 14:08:53 ] Fret > i am doing a search now [ 2004.12.15 14:08:59 ] TornSoul > You said you had bougth this char (Fret) also ? [ 2004.12.15 14:09:05 ] Fret > yes [ 2004.12.15 14:09:12 ] TornSoul > When was that? [ 2004.12.15 14:09:27 ] Fret > about 2 or 3 weeks ago [ 2004.12.15 14:10:26 ] TornSoul > that recent.... [ 2004.12.15 14:10:31 ] Fret > yes...why [ 2004.12.15 14:10:47 ] Fret > that has nothing to do with my situation [ 2004.12.15 14:10:53 ] TornSoul > why then buy 2 new chars alrady again? [ 2004.12.15 14:11:19 ] TornSoul > well.. im jus curious about all this char buying is all... [ 2004.12.15 14:11:23 ] Fret > i actualy wanted to have 3 experianced characters [ 2004.12.15 14:11:36 ] Fret > one for mining one for hauling and 1 for hunting [ 2004.12.15 14:11:50 ] Fret > this char is stuk in a dead end of space [ 2004.12.15 14:11:59 ] Fret > -7.8 sec rating [ 2004.12.15 14:12:06 ] TornSoul > hmm ddint even look where it was at ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:12:22 ] Fret > ok where exactly do i need to search for this file? [ 2004.12.15 14:12:47 ] TornSoul > evefolder\capture\chatlogs [ 2004.12.15 14:13:36 ] Fret > i put that in my serch [ 2004.12.15 14:14:20 ] TornSoul > browse to where youre EVE game is installed [ 2004.12.15 14:15:05 ] TornSoul > c:\games\eve or whatever... [ 2004.12.15 14:16:49 ] Fret > ok searching again [ 2004.12.15 14:16:58 ] Fret > sorry im not computer savy [ 2004.12.15 14:17:29 ] Fret > with all due respect... i feel like you are treating me like im the one pulling a scam [ 2004.12.15 14:17:48 ] Fret > what do i have to gain in all of this? [ 2004.12.15 14:17:58 ] Fret > all i did was pay 750 million isk [ 2004.12.15 14:18:28 ] Fret > and if u have spoken with tion, why didnt you
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:14:00 - [23] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 16/12/2004 01:19:48 Fret: You SUCK and really should END YOURSELF !! /me wholeheartedly believes Tornsoul in the following thread * SKIP to Page 3 for the interesting stuff/proof * MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:14:00 - [24] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 16/12/2004 01:19:48 Fret: You SUCK and really should END YOURSELF !! /me wholeheartedly believes Tornsoul in the following thread * SKIP to Page 3 for the interesting stuff/proof * MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:18:00 - [25] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:21:07 [ 2004.12.15 14:18:28 ] Fret > and if u have spoken with tion, why didnt you tell him to refund my isk? [ 2004.12.15 14:18:52 ] TornSoul > Fret - I'm trying to get as much info as i possibly can [ 2004.12.15 14:18:58 ] Fret > well...... [ 2004.12.15 14:18:59 ] TornSoul > as I said - dunno what im looking for [ 2004.12.15 14:19:07 ] TornSoul > I just want as much info as at all possible [ 2004.12.15 14:19:15 ] Fret > understandable....... [ 2004.12.15 14:19:22 ] TornSoul > someone sayign someting 'odd' as I said [ 2004.12.15 14:19:25 ] Fret > but if u have spoken with tion..... [ 2004.12.15 14:19:38 ] Fret > you said you spoke with him [ 2004.12.15 14:19:52 ] TornSoul > yes but - if Tion has anythign to hide - then he ofc wont tell me what you might have in your logs [ 2004.12.15 14:19:58 ] TornSoul > same with axeee [ 2004.12.15 14:20:13 ] Fret > lol well as soon as i find it ill send it to you in its entirety [ 2004.12.15 14:20:20 ] TornSoul > wich is why i'd liek to see your logs [ 2004.12.15 14:20:37 ] TornSoul > can you find where your game is installed? [ 2004.12.15 14:20:44 ] Fret > im doing a search now [ 2004.12.15 14:20:51 ] TornSoul > ndont serach [ 2004.12.15 14:20:57 ] Fret > no? [ 2004.12.15 14:20:58 ] TornSoul > go there directly [ 2004.12.15 14:21:01 ] Fret > what should i do? [ 2004.12.15 14:21:12 ] TornSoul > you do know how to change directories... [ 2004.12.15 14:21:49 ] Fret > ok found it [ 2004.12.15 14:22:18 ] Fret > i have lots of stuff in logs..... [ 2004.12.15 14:22:24 ] Fret > what do i send to you? [ 2004.12.15 14:22:33 ] TornSoul > lotsof stuff [ 2004.12.15 14:22:36 ] TornSoul > how many files... [ 2004.12.15 14:22:44 ] TornSoul > I dont waqnt your corp logs etc [ 2004.12.15 14:22:51 ] Fret > how about history [ 2004.12.15 14:22:57 ] Fret > is that good? [ 2004.12.15 14:22:59 ] TornSoul > ?? no [ 2004.12.15 14:23:10 ] TornSoul > goto your evefolder [ 2004.12.15 14:23:17 ] TornSoul > find the folder called capture [ 2004.12.15 14:23:22 ] TornSoul > go into that folder [ 2004.12.15 14:23:29 ] TornSoul > in there is another folder [ 2004.12.15 14:23:32 ] TornSoul > chatlogs [ 2004.12.15 14:23:34 ] TornSoul > go into that folder [ 2004.12.15 14:23:44 ] TornSoul > there shoudl eb aTON of files there [ 2004.12.15 14:24:23 ] Fret > ok im sorting through it all [ 2004.12.15 14:24:55 ] TornSoul > have you foudn it? [ 2004.12.15 14:24:58 ] Fret > ok how do i send all of this to you? [ 2004.12.15 14:25:14 ] TornSoul > have you foudn it? [ 2004.12.15 14:25:16 ] Fret > yes [ 2004.12.15 14:25:19 ] TornSoul > ok [ 2004.12.15 14:25:28 ] TornSoul > how many files? [ 2004.12.15 14:27:01 ] Fret > hmmm about 5 or 6 [ 2004.12.15 14:27:09 ] TornSoul > err [ 2004.12.15 14:27:12 ] TornSoul > in all? [ 2004.12.15 14:27:12 ] Fret > how do i prep them all? [ 2004.12.15 14:27:21 ] Fret > ok whats your e-mail? [ 2004.12.15 14:27:23 ] TornSoul > well get to that [ 2004.12.15 14:27:33 ] TornSoul > i want to make sure its the right ones first [ 2004.12.15 14:27:44 ] Fret > well im know what onesd are the ight ones [ 2004.12.15 14:27:48 ] TornSoul > are you sayign theres onyl 6 files in that folder alltogether? [ 2004.12.15 14:27:52 ] TornSoul > ok [ 2004.12.15 14:27:56 ] Fret > what is your email? [ 2004.12.15 14:28:08 ] TornSoul > [email protected] [ 2004.12.15 14:28:15 ] Fret > ok let me do this...brb [ 2004.12.15 14:32:06 ] Fret > ok it will be sent in a few emails.... working on it now [ 2004.12.15 14:32:51 ] TornSoul > just add each file to teh same email [ 2004.12.15 14:33:00 ] Fret > or mabey just one mail...we will see..... [ 2004.12.15 14:38:59 ] Fret > sent [ 2004.12.15 14:39:39 ] Fret > you there tornsoul? [ 2004.12.15 14:39:57 ] TornSoul > got it - gimme a sec to check if i can read them ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:41:04 ] Fret > k [ 2004.12.15 14:45:07 ] TornSoul > ok [ 2004.12.15 14:45:25 ] TornSoul > alright... [ 2004.12.15 14:45:31 ] TornSoul > ive onyl just scimmed over it.. [ 2004.12.15 14:45:46 ] TornSoul > looks like the relevant logs [ 2004.12.15 14:45:54 ] TornSoul > ill have to read them proberly [ 2004.12.15 14:45:58 ] TornSoul > see if anyoen is slipping up [ 2004.12.15 14:46:02 ] Fret > well its what you told me to get [ 2004.12.15 14:46:07 ] TornSoul > aye [ 2004.12.15 14:46:16 ] TornSoul > i assuem tis all relevant info [ 2004.12.15 14:46:40 ] TornSoul > ie logs [ 2004.12.15 14:47:20 ] TornSoul > sigh [ 2004.12.15 14:47:33 ] TornSoul > anythign else I shoudl know that might be relevant? [ 2004.12.15 14:49:10 ] Fret > well i feel i have been as forthcomming as possible [ 2004.12.15 14:49:27 ] Fret > i given you everything except nude pictures [ 2004.12.15 14:49:45 ] TornSoul > lol [ 2004.12.15 14:49:50 ] TornSoul > ok... [ 2004.12.15 14:50:00 ] TornSoul > ill start reading the logs just to see if i can spot anythign etc [ 2004.12.15 14:50:05 ] TornSoul > ill g
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:18:00 - [26] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:21:07 [ 2004.12.15 14:18:28 ] Fret > and if u have spoken with tion, why didnt you tell him to refund my isk? [ 2004.12.15 14:18:52 ] TornSoul > Fret - I'm trying to get as much info as i possibly can [ 2004.12.15 14:18:58 ] Fret > well...... [ 2004.12.15 14:18:59 ] TornSoul > as I said - dunno what im looking for [ 2004.12.15 14:19:07 ] TornSoul > I just want as much info as at all possible [ 2004.12.15 14:19:15 ] Fret > understandable....... [ 2004.12.15 14:19:22 ] TornSoul > someone sayign someting 'odd' as I said [ 2004.12.15 14:19:25 ] Fret > but if u have spoken with tion..... [ 2004.12.15 14:19:38 ] Fret > you said you spoke with him [ 2004.12.15 14:19:52 ] TornSoul > yes but - if Tion has anythign to hide - then he ofc wont tell me what you might have in your logs [ 2004.12.15 14:19:58 ] TornSoul > same with axeee [ 2004.12.15 14:20:13 ] Fret > lol well as soon as i find it ill send it to you in its entirety [ 2004.12.15 14:20:20 ] TornSoul > wich is why i'd liek to see your logs [ 2004.12.15 14:20:37 ] TornSoul > can you find where your game is installed? [ 2004.12.15 14:20:44 ] Fret > im doing a search now [ 2004.12.15 14:20:51 ] TornSoul > ndont serach [ 2004.12.15 14:20:57 ] Fret > no? [ 2004.12.15 14:20:58 ] TornSoul > go there directly [ 2004.12.15 14:21:01 ] Fret > what should i do? [ 2004.12.15 14:21:12 ] TornSoul > you do know how to change directories... [ 2004.12.15 14:21:49 ] Fret > ok found it [ 2004.12.15 14:22:18 ] Fret > i have lots of stuff in logs..... [ 2004.12.15 14:22:24 ] Fret > what do i send to you? [ 2004.12.15 14:22:33 ] TornSoul > lotsof stuff [ 2004.12.15 14:22:36 ] TornSoul > how many files... [ 2004.12.15 14:22:44 ] TornSoul > I dont waqnt your corp logs etc [ 2004.12.15 14:22:51 ] Fret > how about history [ 2004.12.15 14:22:57 ] Fret > is that good? [ 2004.12.15 14:22:59 ] TornSoul > ?? no [ 2004.12.15 14:23:10 ] TornSoul > goto your evefolder [ 2004.12.15 14:23:17 ] TornSoul > find the folder called capture [ 2004.12.15 14:23:22 ] TornSoul > go into that folder [ 2004.12.15 14:23:29 ] TornSoul > in there is another folder [ 2004.12.15 14:23:32 ] TornSoul > chatlogs [ 2004.12.15 14:23:34 ] TornSoul > go into that folder [ 2004.12.15 14:23:44 ] TornSoul > there shoudl eb aTON of files there [ 2004.12.15 14:24:23 ] Fret > ok im sorting through it all [ 2004.12.15 14:24:55 ] TornSoul > have you foudn it? [ 2004.12.15 14:24:58 ] Fret > ok how do i send all of this to you? [ 2004.12.15 14:25:14 ] TornSoul > have you foudn it? [ 2004.12.15 14:25:16 ] Fret > yes [ 2004.12.15 14:25:19 ] TornSoul > ok [ 2004.12.15 14:25:28 ] TornSoul > how many files? [ 2004.12.15 14:27:01 ] Fret > hmmm about 5 or 6 [ 2004.12.15 14:27:09 ] TornSoul > err [ 2004.12.15 14:27:12 ] TornSoul > in all? [ 2004.12.15 14:27:12 ] Fret > how do i prep them all? [ 2004.12.15 14:27:21 ] Fret > ok whats your e-mail? [ 2004.12.15 14:27:23 ] TornSoul > well get to that [ 2004.12.15 14:27:33 ] TornSoul > i want to make sure its the right ones first [ 2004.12.15 14:27:44 ] Fret > well im know what onesd are the ight ones [ 2004.12.15 14:27:48 ] TornSoul > are you sayign theres onyl 6 files in that folder alltogether? [ 2004.12.15 14:27:52 ] TornSoul > ok [ 2004.12.15 14:27:56 ] Fret > what is your email? [ 2004.12.15 14:28:08 ] TornSoul > [email protected] [ 2004.12.15 14:28:15 ] Fret > ok let me do this...brb [ 2004.12.15 14:32:06 ] Fret > ok it will be sent in a few emails.... working on it now [ 2004.12.15 14:32:51 ] TornSoul > just add each file to teh same email [ 2004.12.15 14:33:00 ] Fret > or mabey just one mail...we will see..... [ 2004.12.15 14:38:59 ] Fret > sent [ 2004.12.15 14:39:39 ] Fret > you there tornsoul? [ 2004.12.15 14:39:57 ] TornSoul > got it - gimme a sec to check if i can read them ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:41:04 ] Fret > k [ 2004.12.15 14:45:07 ] TornSoul > ok [ 2004.12.15 14:45:25 ] TornSoul > alright... [ 2004.12.15 14:45:31 ] TornSoul > ive onyl just scimmed over it.. [ 2004.12.15 14:45:46 ] TornSoul > looks like the relevant logs [ 2004.12.15 14:45:54 ] TornSoul > ill have to read them proberly [ 2004.12.15 14:45:58 ] TornSoul > see if anyoen is slipping up [ 2004.12.15 14:46:02 ] Fret > well its what you told me to get [ 2004.12.15 14:46:07 ] TornSoul > aye [ 2004.12.15 14:46:16 ] TornSoul > i assuem tis all relevant info [ 2004.12.15 14:46:40 ] TornSoul > ie logs [ 2004.12.15 14:47:20 ] TornSoul > sigh [ 2004.12.15 14:47:33 ] TornSoul > anythign else I shoudl know that might be relevant? [ 2004.12.15 14:49:10 ] Fret > well i feel i have been as forthcomming as possible [ 2004.12.15 14:49:27 ] Fret > i given you everything except nude pictures [ 2004.12.15 14:49:45 ] TornSoul > lol [ 2004.12.15 14:49:50 ] TornSoul > ok... [ 2004.12.15 14:50:00 ] TornSoul > ill start reading the logs just to see if i can spot anythign etc [ 2004.12.15 14:50:05 ] TornSoul > ill g
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:20:00 - [27] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:22:39 [ 2004.12.15 14:50:00 ] TornSoul > ill start reading the logs just to see if i can spot anythign etc [ 2004.12.15 14:50:05 ] TornSoul > ill get back to you [ 2004.12.15 14:50:09 ] Fret > take your time [ 2004.12.15 14:50:19 ] TornSoul > if you think of somethign else - be sure to mail me [ 2004.12.15 14:51:05 ] Fret > tornsoul............ [ 2004.12.15 14:51:37 ] TornSoul > ? [ 2004.12.15 14:51:42 ] Fret > what more could i possibly do to show you im not the one scamming your corp? [ 2004.12.15 14:51:56 ] Fret > i feel as if you think im plotting something [ 2004.12.15 14:52:13 ] TornSoul > I dont knwo what more [ 2004.12.15 14:52:24 ] TornSoul > thus - I want all i can get to be sure there isnt more [ 2004.12.15 14:52:38 ] Fret > well i can assure you..... [ 2004.12.15 14:53:01 ] TornSoul > crosschecking info is about the only 'tool' i have [ 2004.12.15 14:53:04 ] Fret > all i have ever told you is true, there is nothing that can dispute this truth [ 2004.12.15 14:53:23 ] Fret > i am the victem here [ 2004.12.15 14:53:34 ] TornSoul > and if somethign doesnt match - well.. then someone is not tellign the truth etc [ 2004.12.15 14:53:42 ] TornSoul > but.. if nohign shows up... im none the wiser ofc.. [ 2004.12.15 14:53:50 ] TornSoul > but.. onyl 'tool' I have.. so gotta try it [ 2004.12.15 14:54:03 ] Fret > well has tion been as forthcomming? [ 2004.12.15 14:54:07 ] Fret > im sure he has not been [ 2004.12.15 14:54:13 ] TornSoul > he has [ 2004.12.15 14:54:16 ] Fret > well.............. [ 2004.12.15 14:54:23 ] Fret > if u have spoken with him..... [ 2004.12.15 14:54:30 ] Fret > them why do i not have my isk? [ 2004.12.15 14:55:43 ] TornSoul > 'cause ive onyl now had a chance to talk to you again [ 2004.12.15 14:55:56 ] Fret > well what did he say? [ 2004.12.15 14:56:01 ] TornSoul > This will be dealt with by tonight [ 2004.12.15 14:56:10 ] TornSoul > one way or the other [ 2004.12.15 14:56:23 ] Fret > he cannot say anything except for i payed him for a character that doesnt exist [ 2004.12.15 14:56:29 ] TornSoul > ill go and read those logs carefull y now [ 2004.12.15 14:56:39 ] Fret > well im right here [ 2004.12.15 14:56:45 ] TornSoul > ill be loggin out ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:56:54 ] TornSoul > ppl keep convoing me when im ingame ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:56:55 ] Fret > ugh [ 2004.12.15 14:57:10 ] TornSoul > (had to turn one away already) [ 2004.12.15 14:57:24 ] Fret > well id like to have u here...i dont see you on much as it is [ 2004.12.15 14:57:29 ] TornSoul > "If its not ultra important - It will have to wait" ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:57:38 ] TornSoul > I shoudl get that copy pasted ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:57:38 ] Fret > well to me it is..... [ 2004.12.15 14:57:48 ] Fret > im the one who lost 750 million [ 2004.12.15 14:57:50 ] TornSoul > that what i said to the oen i turned away [ 2004.12.15 14:58:05 ] Fret > that may not be alot to BIG, but it sure is to me [ 2004.12.15 14:58:20 ] TornSoul > Ill mail you [ 2004.12.15 14:58:23 ] Fret > lol [ 2004.12.15 14:58:30 ] TornSoul > no need fo rmoth of us to be around at teh saem time then [ 2004.12.15 14:58:35 ] TornSoul > wich is why I prefer mail ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:58:40 ] Fret > no..... [ 2004.12.15 14:58:51 ] TornSoul > ? [ 2004.12.15 14:58:51 ] Fret > i prefer conversation....... [ 2004.12.15 14:59:02 ] Fret > i feel as if this is getting nowhere [ 2004.12.15 14:59:05 ] TornSoul > well i cant converse and read mails at teh same time [ 2004.12.15 14:59:14 ] TornSoul > *read logs [ 2004.12.15 14:59:19 ] Fret > it is simple....I WAS SCAMMED, this is so stressful [ 2004.12.15 15:00:00 ] TornSoul > Fret - As I said - I will post a full decleration onthe forums at the latest tonight [ 2004.12.15 15:00:53 ] Fret > well please dont leave me in the dark......i am VERY anxious to know what tion had to say in all of this [ 2004.12.15 15:01:30 ] TornSoul > Dont worry - I'll post for all to see [ 2004.12.15 15:01:42 ] Fret > ? [ 2004.12.15 15:01:44 ] TornSoul > and i better get started onthat right away actaully [ 2004.12.15 15:01:57 ] TornSoul > well the BIG rep is at stake here as well [ 2004.12.15 15:02:04 ] TornSoul > I have do do a public post [ 2004.12.15 15:02:07 ] Fret > why all the mistery when i have been so open with you? [ 2004.12.15 15:02:17 ] TornSoul > wich takes a fair bit of tiem to get done right [ 2004.12.15 15:02:18 ] Fret > i am highly frustrated atm [ 2004.12.15 15:03:01 ] TornSoul > Fret - I gotta run - I'll prob be back ingame later tonight [ 2004.12.15 15:03:05 ] TornSoul > But right now I need to leave [ 2004.12.15 15:03:08 ] Fret > oh my god [ 2004.12.15 15:03:11 ] Fret > lol [ 2004.12.15 15:03:22 ] TornSoul > check the forums [ 2004.12.15 15:03:23 ] Fret > this is just like when i purchaced the char [ 2004.12.15 15:03:25 ] TornSoul > laters --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:20:00 - [28] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:22:39 [ 2004.12.15 14:50:00 ] TornSoul > ill start reading the logs just to see if i can spot anythign etc [ 2004.12.15 14:50:05 ] TornSoul > ill get back to you [ 2004.12.15 14:50:09 ] Fret > take your time [ 2004.12.15 14:50:19 ] TornSoul > if you think of somethign else - be sure to mail me [ 2004.12.15 14:51:05 ] Fret > tornsoul............ [ 2004.12.15 14:51:37 ] TornSoul > ? [ 2004.12.15 14:51:42 ] Fret > what more could i possibly do to show you im not the one scamming your corp? [ 2004.12.15 14:51:56 ] Fret > i feel as if you think im plotting something [ 2004.12.15 14:52:13 ] TornSoul > I dont knwo what more [ 2004.12.15 14:52:24 ] TornSoul > thus - I want all i can get to be sure there isnt more [ 2004.12.15 14:52:38 ] Fret > well i can assure you..... [ 2004.12.15 14:53:01 ] TornSoul > crosschecking info is about the only 'tool' i have [ 2004.12.15 14:53:04 ] Fret > all i have ever told you is true, there is nothing that can dispute this truth [ 2004.12.15 14:53:23 ] Fret > i am the victem here [ 2004.12.15 14:53:34 ] TornSoul > and if somethign doesnt match - well.. then someone is not tellign the truth etc [ 2004.12.15 14:53:42 ] TornSoul > but.. if nohign shows up... im none the wiser ofc.. [ 2004.12.15 14:53:50 ] TornSoul > but.. onyl 'tool' I have.. so gotta try it [ 2004.12.15 14:54:03 ] Fret > well has tion been as forthcomming? [ 2004.12.15 14:54:07 ] Fret > im sure he has not been [ 2004.12.15 14:54:13 ] TornSoul > he has [ 2004.12.15 14:54:16 ] Fret > well.............. [ 2004.12.15 14:54:23 ] Fret > if u have spoken with him..... [ 2004.12.15 14:54:30 ] Fret > them why do i not have my isk? [ 2004.12.15 14:55:43 ] TornSoul > 'cause ive onyl now had a chance to talk to you again [ 2004.12.15 14:55:56 ] Fret > well what did he say? [ 2004.12.15 14:56:01 ] TornSoul > This will be dealt with by tonight [ 2004.12.15 14:56:10 ] TornSoul > one way or the other [ 2004.12.15 14:56:23 ] Fret > he cannot say anything except for i payed him for a character that doesnt exist [ 2004.12.15 14:56:29 ] TornSoul > ill go and read those logs carefull y now [ 2004.12.15 14:56:39 ] Fret > well im right here [ 2004.12.15 14:56:45 ] TornSoul > ill be loggin out ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:56:54 ] TornSoul > ppl keep convoing me when im ingame ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:56:55 ] Fret > ugh [ 2004.12.15 14:57:10 ] TornSoul > (had to turn one away already) [ 2004.12.15 14:57:24 ] Fret > well id like to have u here...i dont see you on much as it is [ 2004.12.15 14:57:29 ] TornSoul > "If its not ultra important - It will have to wait" ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:57:38 ] TornSoul > I shoudl get that copy pasted ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:57:38 ] Fret > well to me it is..... [ 2004.12.15 14:57:48 ] Fret > im the one who lost 750 million [ 2004.12.15 14:57:50 ] TornSoul > that what i said to the oen i turned away [ 2004.12.15 14:58:05 ] Fret > that may not be alot to BIG, but it sure is to me [ 2004.12.15 14:58:20 ] TornSoul > Ill mail you [ 2004.12.15 14:58:23 ] Fret > lol [ 2004.12.15 14:58:30 ] TornSoul > no need fo rmoth of us to be around at teh saem time then [ 2004.12.15 14:58:35 ] TornSoul > wich is why I prefer mail ;) [ 2004.12.15 14:58:40 ] Fret > no..... [ 2004.12.15 14:58:51 ] TornSoul > ? [ 2004.12.15 14:58:51 ] Fret > i prefer conversation....... [ 2004.12.15 14:59:02 ] Fret > i feel as if this is getting nowhere [ 2004.12.15 14:59:05 ] TornSoul > well i cant converse and read mails at teh same time [ 2004.12.15 14:59:14 ] TornSoul > *read logs [ 2004.12.15 14:59:19 ] Fret > it is simple....I WAS SCAMMED, this is so stressful [ 2004.12.15 15:00:00 ] TornSoul > Fret - As I said - I will post a full decleration onthe forums at the latest tonight [ 2004.12.15 15:00:53 ] Fret > well please dont leave me in the dark......i am VERY anxious to know what tion had to say in all of this [ 2004.12.15 15:01:30 ] TornSoul > Dont worry - I'll post for all to see [ 2004.12.15 15:01:42 ] Fret > ? [ 2004.12.15 15:01:44 ] TornSoul > and i better get started onthat right away actaully [ 2004.12.15 15:01:57 ] TornSoul > well the BIG rep is at stake here as well [ 2004.12.15 15:02:04 ] TornSoul > I have do do a public post [ 2004.12.15 15:02:07 ] Fret > why all the mistery when i have been so open with you? [ 2004.12.15 15:02:17 ] TornSoul > wich takes a fair bit of tiem to get done right [ 2004.12.15 15:02:18 ] Fret > i am highly frustrated atm [ 2004.12.15 15:03:01 ] TornSoul > Fret - I gotta run - I'll prob be back ingame later tonight [ 2004.12.15 15:03:05 ] TornSoul > But right now I need to leave [ 2004.12.15 15:03:08 ] Fret > oh my god [ 2004.12.15 15:03:11 ] Fret > lol [ 2004.12.15 15:03:22 ] TornSoul > check the forums [ 2004.12.15 15:03:23 ] Fret > this is just like when i purchaced the char [ 2004.12.15 15:03:25 ] TornSoul > laters --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Hakera	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:20:00 - [29] Edited by: Hakera on 16/12/2004 01:22:58 Originally by: themule Why would the GM's do anything scamming is allowed (Mabye not buying Charactors for isk though?). Plus i beleve BIG in this case. The screen shot showed no signs of being faked and i don't think they would ruin their reputation for 750 mil. I seriously doubt scamming isk for character sales is allowed. Its not a strictly ingame medium. whether both sides jump to defend their honour or not is pointless because everything they throw at us here can be faked and you cannot rule out an error in the character transfer process. The only people qualified to help are the GMs in this case, not us. Then it's up to them already if not done so to make a policy on scamming characters and act accordingly or investigate where the character got to if it was black-holed. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:20:00 - [30] Edited by: Hakera on 16/12/2004 01:22:58 Originally by: themule Why would the GM's do anything scamming is allowed (Mabye not buying Charactors for isk though?). Plus i beleve BIG in this case. The screen shot showed no signs of being faked and i don't think they would ruin their reputation for 750 mil. I seriously doubt scamming isk for character sales is allowed. Its not a strictly ingame medium. whether both sides jump to defend their honour or not is pointless because everything they throw at us here can be faked and you cannot rule out an error in the character transfer process. The only people qualified to help are the GMs in this case, not us. Then it's up to them already if not done so to make a policy on scamming characters and act accordingly or investigate where the character got to if it was black-holed. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:24:00 - [31] and they have been petitioned, i pray they respond asap "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:24:00 - [32] and they have been petitioned, i pray they respond asap "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:25:00 - [33] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((68101001101L, 52371001110L), (145137125, 1834352365, None), (147917989, 147768728, 1963166628))),) Channel Name: TornSoul Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.15 23:57:48 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.15 23:57:51 ] Fret > grrrrrrrr [ 2004.12.15 23:58:00 ] Fret > that is so untrue tornsoul [ 2004.12.15 23:58:02 ] TornSoul > Nice try Fret [ 2004.12.15 23:58:07 ] Fret > what???? [ 2004.12.15 23:58:23 ] Fret > tornsould i have been 100% honest..... [ 2004.12.15 23:58:30 ] Fret > i never ecieved a character [ 2004.12.15 23:58:35 ] TornSoul > I sincerly doubt that [ 2004.12.15 23:58:40 ] Fret > and i never said i did [ 2004.12.15 23:58:47 ] TornSoul > I do not wish to continue this conversation if you dont mind [ 2004.12.15 23:59:00 ] TornSoul > Nothign good can come out of it [ 2004.12.15 23:59:06 ] Fret > well one sec........... [ 2004.12.15 23:59:17 ] Fret > 3 days after i was scammed............ [ 2004.12.15 23:59:36 ] Fret > i sent a petition to CCP.... [ 2004.12.15 23:59:37 ] TornSoul > nn [ 2004.12.15 23:59:47 ] Fret > they will verify that my account never recieved a character [ 2004.12.16 00:00:24 ] Fret > and i hope that it is tion...and not you that invented this scam "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:25:00 - [34] --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('convo', ((68101001101L, 52371001110L), (145137125, 1834352365, None), (147917989, 147768728, 1963166628))),) Channel Name: TornSoul Converstation Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.15 23:57:48 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.15 23:57:51 ] Fret > grrrrrrrr [ 2004.12.15 23:58:00 ] Fret > that is so untrue tornsoul [ 2004.12.15 23:58:02 ] TornSoul > Nice try Fret [ 2004.12.15 23:58:07 ] Fret > what???? [ 2004.12.15 23:58:23 ] Fret > tornsould i have been 100% honest..... [ 2004.12.15 23:58:30 ] Fret > i never ecieved a character [ 2004.12.15 23:58:35 ] TornSoul > I sincerly doubt that [ 2004.12.15 23:58:40 ] Fret > and i never said i did [ 2004.12.15 23:58:47 ] TornSoul > I do not wish to continue this conversation if you dont mind [ 2004.12.15 23:59:00 ] TornSoul > Nothign good can come out of it [ 2004.12.15 23:59:06 ] Fret > well one sec........... [ 2004.12.15 23:59:17 ] Fret > 3 days after i was scammed............ [ 2004.12.15 23:59:36 ] Fret > i sent a petition to CCP.... [ 2004.12.15 23:59:37 ] TornSoul > nn [ 2004.12.15 23:59:47 ] Fret > they will verify that my account never recieved a character [ 2004.12.16 00:00:24 ] Fret > and i hope that it is tion...and not you that invented this scam "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:30:00 - [35] hmm, this really is a GM business, not a player one. it certainly has no place on the public forums. plus it's just tactless. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:30:00 - [36] hmm, this really is a GM business, not a player one. it certainly has no place on the public forums. plus it's just tactless. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:33:00 - [37] Fret I think that Tornsoul is beyond suspicion here so I think that it would be best if you renamed the thread to something else than Big Scam. You can do so by editing the post that started this thread. At this point I think that its your word against one of BIG members. You would expect a CEO to side with corp member over someone not known. I think that it would be fair for you to change the thread name to something less inflamatory. If you are right I think that you will be vindicated by CCP and that should be enough.
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:33:00 - [38] Fret I think that Tornsoul is beyond suspicion here so I think that it would be best if you renamed the thread to something else than Big Scam. You can do so by editing the post that started this thread. At this point I think that its your word against one of BIG members. You would expect a CEO to side with corp member over someone not known. I think that it would be fair for you to change the thread name to something less inflamatory. If you are right I think that you will be vindicated by CCP and that should be enough.
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:40:00 - [39] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:40:28 noted... post name changed "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:40:00 - [40] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 01:40:28 noted... post name changed "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
JD's	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:53:00 - [41] Edited by: JD's on 16/12/2004 01:58:24 Tornsoul has already responded to the thread conferming it is you who infact tried and failed to scam BIG. Linkage
JD's	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:53:00 - [42] Edited by: JD's on 16/12/2004 01:58:24 Tornsoul has already responded to the thread conferming it is you who infact tried and failed to scam BIG. Linkage
Talyn Draco	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:54:00 - [43] My take on this whole thing Linkage ----------------------- And veggie in the back said "everyone" attack and it turned into a ballroom blitz! And Eris in the corner said "boy I wanna know ya" and it turned into a ballroom blitz
Talyn Draco	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:54:00 - [44] My take on this whole thing Linkage ----------------------- And veggie in the back said "everyone" attack and it turned into a ballroom blitz! And Eris in the corner said "boy I wanna know ya" and it turned into a ballroom blitz
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Talyn Draco My take on this whole thing Linkage you should be quiet because your CEO claimed that he got 750M off this same kind of scam recently.
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.16 01:59:00 - [46] Originally by: Talyn Draco My take on this whole thing Linkage you should be quiet because your CEO claimed that he got 750M off this same kind of scam recently.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:00:00 - [47] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 16/12/2004 02:07:55 Regardless of how this ends up, it wasn't handled well by the BIG member. There are steps you can take for verification of this sort of thing, and I understand from talking to (with an alt) NAGA that they DO those. I don't consider this reflects well on BIG. (I admit I'm not fond of FA for IG reasons, and that tends to carry across) "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:00:00 - [48] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 16/12/2004 02:07:55 Regardless of how this ends up, it wasn't handled well by the BIG member. There are steps you can take for verification of this sort of thing, and I understand from talking to (with an alt) NAGA that they DO those. I don't consider this reflects well on BIG. (I admit I'm not fond of FA for IG reasons, and that tends to carry across) "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:11:00 - [49] WOW, how many times must i say this? I did nt scam anyone....all of the things i have posted here are exactly how things went. Now i dont even care about the isk, i just want the truth to be known. I have filed a petition, but i wish i knew a quicker route to speak with a moderator, because i assure you all they will conferm my story. Just think about it..... Was i in this auction from the start to scam BIG? No i wasnt, i was actualy drawn into it...if u look back at the auction i actualy lost it, then i was mailed by axee and told he would except my bid even though it was 2 or 3 hours late. A sign to me that he was just looking to get the most isk out of this as possible. Perhaps TornSoul is missled in all of this, but i can tell you this I ONLY WANTED THE CHARACTER. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:11:00 - [50] WOW, how many times must i say this? I did nt scam anyone....all of the things i have posted here are exactly how things went. Now i dont even care about the isk, i just want the truth to be known. I have filed a petition, but i wish i knew a quicker route to speak with a moderator, because i assure you all they will conferm my story. Just think about it..... Was i in this auction from the start to scam BIG? No i wasnt, i was actualy drawn into it...if u look back at the auction i actualy lost it, then i was mailed by axee and told he would except my bid even though it was 2 or 3 hours late. A sign to me that he was just looking to get the most isk out of this as possible. Perhaps TornSoul is missled in all of this, but i can tell you this I ONLY WANTED THE CHARACTER. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Ed Gein	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:12:00 - [51] nominates for best scam of the year now where is my cut of the 750 mil
Ed Gein	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:12:00 - [52] nominates for best scam of the year now where is my cut of the 750 mil
Talyn Draco	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:17:00 - [53] Originally by: Rthor Originally by: Talyn Draco My take on this whole thing Linkage you should be quiet because your CEO claimed that he got 750M off this same kind of scam recently. um not my ceo. my ceo's ALT or vice versa...wichever...so why should i be quite again? ----------------------- And veggie in the back said "everyone" attack and it turned into a ballroom blitz! And Eris in the corner said "boy I wanna know ya" and it turned into a ballroom blitz
Talyn Draco	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:17:00 - [54] Originally by: Rthor Originally by: Talyn Draco My take on this whole thing Linkage you should be quiet because your CEO claimed that he got 750M off this same kind of scam recently. um not my ceo. my ceo's ALT or vice versa...wichever...so why should i be quite again? ----------------------- And veggie in the back said "everyone" attack and it turned into a ballroom blitz! And Eris in the corner said "boy I wanna know ya" and it turned into a ballroom blitz
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:18:00 - [55] Originally by: Talyn Draco Originally by: Rthor Originally by: Talyn Draco My take on this whole thing Linkage you should be quiet because your CEO claimed that he got 750M off this same kind of scam recently. um not my ceo. my ceo's ALT or vice versa...wichever...so why should i be quite again? Because some people dont believe in coincidences.
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:18:00 - [56] Originally by: Talyn Draco Originally by: Rthor Originally by: Talyn Draco My take on this whole thing Linkage you should be quiet because your CEO claimed that he got 750M off this same kind of scam recently. um not my ceo. my ceo's ALT or vice versa...wichever...so why should i be quite again? Because some people dont believe in coincidences.
Talyn Draco	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Rthor Originally by: Talyn Draco Originally by: Rthor Originally by: Talyn Draco My take on this whole thing Linkage you should be quiet because your CEO claimed that he got 750M off this same kind of scam recently. um not my ceo. my ceo's ALT or vice versa...wichever...so why should i be quite again? Because some people dont believe in coincidences. care to elaberate? ----------------------- And veggie in the back said "everyone" attack and it turned into a ballroom blitz! And Eris in the corner said "boy I wanna know ya" and it turned into a ballroom blitz
Talyn Draco	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:30:00 - [58] Originally by: Rthor Originally by: Talyn Draco Originally by: Rthor Originally by: Talyn Draco My take on this whole thing Linkage you should be quiet because your CEO claimed that he got 750M off this same kind of scam recently. um not my ceo. my ceo's ALT or vice versa...wichever...so why should i be quite again? Because some people dont believe in coincidences. care to elaberate? ----------------------- And veggie in the back said "everyone" attack and it turned into a ballroom blitz! And Eris in the corner said "boy I wanna know ya" and it turned into a ballroom blitz
Dar Saleem	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:41:00 - [59] Originally by: Ed Gein nominates for best scam of the year now where is my cut of the 750 mil I nominate this for the biggest attempted scam of the year I refer you to the quote "Fret > that may not be alot to BIG, but it sure is to me" Maybe he had had cold feet about the amount and decided that 750 was to much and thought he could get the character for free also why would BIG rip someone off for 750 mil which is loose change By coming and posting the logs on a public forum, hes made the GM's job way more difficult, if not impossible to find out what really happened Also never once in the logs was the characters name mentioned that I could see This log has lots of little inconsistancies on his part that lead me think he tried to scam a free character and got caught. But ultimately the GM's have the final say
Dar Saleem	Posted - 2004.12.16 02:41:00 - [60] Originally by: Ed Gein nominates for best scam of the year now where is my cut of the 750 mil I nominate this for the biggest attempted scam of the year I refer you to the quote "Fret > that may not be alot to BIG, but it sure is to me" Maybe he had had cold feet about the amount and decided that 750 was to much and thought he could get the character for free also why would BIG rip someone off for 750 mil which is loose change By coming and posting the logs on a public forum, hes made the GM's job way more difficult, if not impossible to find out what really happened Also never once in the logs was the characters name mentioned that I could see This log has lots of little inconsistancies on his part that lead me think he tried to scam a free character and got caught. But ultimately the GM's have the final say
Killer Gandry	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:14:00 - [61] Edited by: Killer Gandry on 16/12/2004 03:14:35 After reading all the posts about it and reading them again I am safe to say BIG is the victim in this matter. Well nearly victim. This attempt by Fret to discredit BIG's reputation is something that can be considered harassement if we look closely at the UELA. If I were Tornsoul I would petition for harassement. Damaging a wellbuild reputation with lies and false accusations is one of the lowest formes of harassement and should be dealt with harshly. I can't be arsed that a corporation as BIG will even consider ruining their reputation for something like this. Fret can call himself very lucky that I am not the CEO or a member of BIG for I would have petitioned for harassement long ago. Better to try and fail, then to fail due to not trying
Killer Gandry	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:14:00 - [62] Edited by: Killer Gandry on 16/12/2004 03:14:35 After reading all the posts about it and reading them again I am safe to say BIG is the victim in this matter. Well nearly victim. This attempt by Fret to discredit BIG's reputation is something that can be considered harassement if we look closely at the UELA. If I were Tornsoul I would petition for harassement. Damaging a wellbuild reputation with lies and false accusations is one of the lowest formes of harassement and should be dealt with harshly. I can't be arsed that a corporation as BIG will even consider ruining their reputation for something like this. Fret can call himself very lucky that I am not the CEO or a member of BIG for I would have petitioned for harassement long ago. Better to try and fail, then to fail due to not trying
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:16:00 - [63] I think that petition for harassment is an excellent idea. If Fret is making this stuff up then GMs will have to rule on this. Tornsoul petition Fret for harassment plz.
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:16:00 - [64] I think that petition for harassment is an excellent idea. If Fret is making this stuff up then GMs will have to rule on this. Tornsoul petition Fret for harassment plz.
Nike	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:17:00 - [65] Its possible that Tornsoul from BIG isnt aware of a scam made by one of his members ( Tion ) and his buddy/alt Axee. Is it not ?
Nike	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:17:00 - [66] Its possible that Tornsoul from BIG isnt aware of a scam made by one of his members ( Tion ) and his buddy/alt Axee. Is it not ?
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:20:00 - [67] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 03:21:12 I did not have cold feet about the ammount of the character....remember i really lost this auction....but axee said he would allow my bid, i didnt want to pay the 750 million isk i would have bowed out after loosing. I felt as if axee were doing me a favor. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:20:00 - [68] Edited by: Fret on 16/12/2004 03:21:12 I did not have cold feet about the ammount of the character....remember i really lost this auction....but axee said he would allow my bid, i didnt want to pay the 750 million isk i would have bowed out after loosing. I felt as if axee were doing me a favor. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Chucky	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:28:00 - [69] This may or may not have slipped everyoneÆs attention, but has anyone checked FretÆs employment history. DoesnÆt really prove anything since it may not even be the original Fret, but it does add motives for screwing BIG. ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
Chucky	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:28:00 - [70] This may or may not have slipped everyoneÆs attention, but has anyone checked FretÆs employment history. DoesnÆt really prove anything since it may not even be the original Fret, but it does add motives for screwing BIG. ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:31:00 - [71] lol i have nothing against BIG, Remeber it was not me who started this auction, i was just a bidder, who in atuality lost the auction. I was drawn into this mess, not the creator of it. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:31:00 - [72] lol i have nothing against BIG, Remeber it was not me who started this auction, i was just a bidder, who in atuality lost the auction. I was drawn into this mess, not the creator of it. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Mammy	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 16/12/2004 02:07:55 Regardless of how this ends up, it wasn't handled well by the BIG member. Indeed it wasn't. The BIG member that handled this is a walking disaster. I've been in a corp with him and he's had his account "borrowed" by his "friends" before while he's on "vacation" and yet he sees no problem that he has just left his corp wide open for corp theft from his supposed "friends". He got another one of his "friends" into the same corp as I was. He later admitted this guy was only looking to steal from the corp. Totally not impressed by this guy. I see from his corp history that he was in BIG before. Why they would let someone of his caliber not once but twice into their corp is beyond me.
Mammy	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:41:00 - [74] Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 16/12/2004 02:07:55 Regardless of how this ends up, it wasn't handled well by the BIG member. Indeed it wasn't. The BIG member that handled this is a walking disaster. I've been in a corp with him and he's had his account "borrowed" by his "friends" before while he's on "vacation" and yet he sees no problem that he has just left his corp wide open for corp theft from his supposed "friends". He got another one of his "friends" into the same corp as I was. He later admitted this guy was only looking to steal from the corp. Totally not impressed by this guy. I see from his corp history that he was in BIG before. Why they would let someone of his caliber not once but twice into their corp is beyond me.
VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:44:00 - [75] Interesting Sun Tzu quote in your sig Fret. ------------------- http://cys.net.au
VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:44:00 - [76] Interesting Sun Tzu quote in your sig Fret. ------------------- http://cys.net.au
Bedrock	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:50:00 - [77] This is indeed very interesting and has kept me entertained all day long, reading logs after log. At first I was nearly convinced Fret was the victim. Then I read Torn's investigation. Now, according to this: http://big.wayland.dk/images/upload/Tion-WideShot.jpg you have already received the char, but in the screenshot, your words can sooo easily be out of context.... I'm somewhat convinced by Torn however. The PLOT THICKENS!!!!! continue on, I love a good drama. ---------------------------------------------- [apparent-dreams.com]
Bedrock	Posted - 2004.12.16 03:50:00 - [78] This is indeed very interesting and has kept me entertained all day long, reading logs after log. At first I was nearly convinced Fret was the victim. Then I read Torn's investigation. Now, according to this: http://big.wayland.dk/images/upload/Tion-WideShot.jpg you have already received the char, but in the screenshot, your words can sooo easily be out of context.... I'm somewhat convinced by Torn however. The PLOT THICKENS!!!!! continue on, I love a good drama. ---------------------------------------------- [apparent-dreams.com]
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 04:21:00 - [79] I assure you all that i have done nothing wrong, i have exausted all of my resourses to show the truth, i can gurantee that all i have provided in untampered and true, obviously no one will believe that....all i can say it that there must be some inconsistancy with Tion's screen shot...becuae i promice to GOD it is fake...i did not say that. I AM THE VICTIM HERE. Im loosing hair over this :( "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 04:21:00 - [80] I assure you all that i have done nothing wrong, i have exausted all of my resourses to show the truth, i can gurantee that all i have provided in untampered and true, obviously no one will believe that....all i can say it that there must be some inconsistancy with Tion's screen shot...becuae i promice to GOD it is fake...i did not say that. I AM THE VICTIM HERE. Im loosing hair over this :( "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.16 04:24:00 - [81] get some sleep or do something else Fret. one way or another you will be famous in this game I think. i think that this will resolve itself eventually.
Rthor	Posted - 2004.12.16 04:24:00 - [82] get some sleep or do something else Fret. one way or another you will be famous in this game I think. i think that this will resolve itself eventually.
Free2Fly	Posted - 2004.12.16 04:25:00 - [83] Fret, check the other thread on sell orders. I think I've shown two inconsistencies in the picture that prove it's fake.
Free2Fly	Posted - 2004.12.16 04:25:00 - [84] Fret, check the other thread on sell orders. I think I've shown two inconsistencies in the picture that prove it's fake.
VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2004.12.16 04:44:00 - [85] and the plot thickens. this is somewhat as interesting as playing the game. can't wait to see who is screwing who in this drama... ------------------- http://cys.net.au
VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2004.12.16 04:44:00 - [86] and the plot thickens. this is somewhat as interesting as playing the game. can't wait to see who is screwing who in this drama... ------------------- http://cys.net.au
Countess Mara	Posted - 2004.12.16 05:08:00 - [87] Free2fly brings up some very good points in the other thread. The flow of the convo in the ss does not work well, while fret's log makes perfect sense. Also, the isk was transferred to axee at 4:15 while the supposed go ahead was given at 4:21. It's possible the time stamps were changed after fret saw the ss, but tornsoul was given a copy before fret knew the ss existed, so tornsoul should be able to answer that question for us. One more question, the log reads as "I don't have it yet" then suddenly within seconds "I got it"(if we are to believe the ss) how was he able to log and check that quickly?
Countess Mara	Posted - 2004.12.16 05:08:00 - [88] Free2fly brings up some very good points in the other thread. The flow of the convo in the ss does not work well, while fret's log makes perfect sense. Also, the isk was transferred to axee at 4:15 while the supposed go ahead was given at 4:21. It's possible the time stamps were changed after fret saw the ss, but tornsoul was given a copy before fret knew the ss existed, so tornsoul should be able to answer that question for us. One more question, the log reads as "I don't have it yet" then suddenly within seconds "I got it"(if we are to believe the ss) how was he able to log and check that quickly?
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 05:14:00 - [89] I feel so stressed right now about all of this.... I truely wish all everyone could underastand what im going through here....I DID NOTHING WRONG, i was most cooperative with tornsoul, i have done all possible to show i am the victim here...It seems to me that BIG cares moe about protecting thier image than protecting the integrity of thier dealings. All iwanted in this was my character, but in stead im without the character or the isk i lost...Now all i can do is fight for my name....and i will exaust every avenue doing that "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 05:14:00 - [90] I feel so stressed right now about all of this.... I truely wish all everyone could underastand what im going through here....I DID NOTHING WRONG, i was most cooperative with tornsoul, i have done all possible to show i am the victim here...It seems to me that BIG cares moe about protecting thier image than protecting the integrity of thier dealings. All iwanted in this was my character, but in stead im without the character or the isk i lost...Now all i can do is fight for my name....and i will exaust every avenue doing that "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.12.16 05:24:00 - [91] The only remaining way to resolve this conflict seems to be through brutal televised gladiatorial combat. Toronto good for everyone?
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.12.16 05:24:00 - [92] The only remaining way to resolve this conflict seems to be through brutal televised gladiatorial combat. Toronto good for everyone?
VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2004.12.16 05:38:00 - [93] Sydney would be better :p I find it hard to believe that Fret did not know about the chatlogs and where to find them. Then again, I don't know what to believe right now. Hope it all gets sorted soon :D ------------------- http://cys.net.au
VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2004.12.16 05:38:00 - [94] Sydney would be better :p I find it hard to believe that Fret did not know about the chatlogs and where to find them. Then again, I don't know what to believe right now. Hope it all gets sorted soon :D ------------------- http://cys.net.au
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 06:05:00 - [95] well lol im not very computer savy...my children are much better with comps than i am thats for sure, but it didnt take too long for me to figure it out...im not a total rock lol. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 06:05:00 - [96] well lol im not very computer savy...my children are much better with comps than i am thats for sure, but it didnt take too long for me to figure it out...im not a total rock lol. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:10:00 - [97] well i could give 2 **s about BIG or fret. I guess that would make an anti-socail mofo....lol for BIG corp members tat did that sell, i can see in the screeny and in those logs, tat fret posted here, that they are different. for fret, like the other guy said, "To Fret: Well played." it was a nice attempt. for anyone that says im an alt i say ********. becasue im not flame flame flame, look im flaming....lol ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:10:00 - [98] well i could give 2 **s about BIG or fret. I guess that would make an anti-socail mofo....lol for BIG corp members tat did that sell, i can see in the screeny and in those logs, tat fret posted here, that they are different. for fret, like the other guy said, "To Fret: Well played." it was a nice attempt. for anyone that says im an alt i say ********. becasue im not flame flame flame, look im flaming....lol ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Karch	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:10:00 - [99] Edited by: Karch on 16/12/2004 07:10:28 mmmk BIG are basicly the leading body in one of the biggest alliances in eve. also one of the richest. you guys realise that 750mil is chump change to BIG? im not a great fan of BIG but i refuse to believe they would scam for 750 mil. damn they can mine that in a couple of days out there =P again not a huge fan of BIG and how they treat people in game but i doubt they go this far. good luck sorting this and getting your rep back. --- Was it good for you?
Karch	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:10:00 - [100] Edited by: Karch on 16/12/2004 07:10:28 mmmk BIG are basicly the leading body in one of the biggest alliances in eve. also one of the richest. you guys realise that 750mil is chump change to BIG? im not a great fan of BIG but i refuse to believe they would scam for 750 mil. damn they can mine that in a couple of days out there =P again not a huge fan of BIG and how they treat people in game but i doubt they go this far. good luck sorting this and getting your rep back. --- Was it good for you?
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:18:00 - [101] Edited by: Dsanta on 16/12/2004 07:18:35 i just got around to look at the pics of the charc there, it might whoop me in skillpoints, but i whoop it with my attributes.....lol ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:18:00 - [102] Edited by: Dsanta on 16/12/2004 07:18:35 i just got around to look at the pics of the charc there, it might whoop me in skillpoints, but i whoop it with my attributes.....lol ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:22:00 - [103] I dont belive this was a "BIG" scam, i feel that TION scammed me, and i feel BIG is either in denial, or they are protecting Tion not to save 750 million isk...but to protect thier good name. Im not out to try to sca or hurt BIG...i just want the truth to be known. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:22:00 - [104] I dont belive this was a "BIG" scam, i feel that TION scammed me, and i feel BIG is either in denial, or they are protecting Tion not to save 750 million isk...but to protect thier good name. Im not out to try to sca or hurt BIG...i just want the truth to be known. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:24:00 - [105] This is probably the most interesting thing that I've seen on the forums in a while. My money is on both Fret and TornSoul being scammed, the BIG 'investigation' has some crippling inconsistancies. I cant see TornSoul risking scamming someone, but I'm sure some low-level BIG peon would love to pocket 750m (and has, apparently). The screenshot that Torn is using for proof is really abysmal, even for a screenshot its pretty poor evidence. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:24:00 - [106] This is probably the most interesting thing that I've seen on the forums in a while. My money is on both Fret and TornSoul being scammed, the BIG 'investigation' has some crippling inconsistancies. I cant see TornSoul risking scamming someone, but I'm sure some low-level BIG peon would love to pocket 750m (and has, apparently). The screenshot that Torn is using for proof is really abysmal, even for a screenshot its pretty poor evidence. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:25:00 - [107] Originally by: Karch Edited by: Karch on 16/12/2004 07:10:28 mmmk BIG are basicly the leading body in one of the biggest alliances in eve. also one of the richest. you guys realise that 750mil is chump change to BIG? im not a great fan of BIG but i refuse to believe they would scam for 750 mil. you miss the point, it's not BIG that scammed, it's Tion unless BIG were involved in screen shot editing. ------------------- http://cys.net.au
VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:25:00 - [108] Originally by: Karch Edited by: Karch on 16/12/2004 07:10:28 mmmk BIG are basicly the leading body in one of the biggest alliances in eve. also one of the richest. you guys realise that 750mil is chump change to BIG? im not a great fan of BIG but i refuse to believe they would scam for 750 mil. you miss the point, it's not BIG that scammed, it's Tion unless BIG were involved in screen shot editing. ------------------- http://cys.net.au
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:53:00 - [109] I retract my last statement, i dont believe anyone now, yet i found sonmething that does not match. will post the pic explaining in 1 second. TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance or Fret Gallente Afterlife inc one you are not telling the whole truth. ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:53:00 - [110] I retract my last statement, i dont believe anyone now, yet i found sonmething that does not match. will post the pic explaining in 1 second. TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance or Fret Gallente Afterlife inc one you are not telling the whole truth. ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:58:00 - [111] look right here, this can mean that one of the 2 stated in the above changed the logs, yet if fret changed the logs, why switch the last 3 lines, and if tornsoul changed the last 3 lines to suit bigs needs, wha would have been the point of it. but what we have here is a definate change of logs meaning wither of them could have done it and only way it can be solved is by CCP looking at the master logs on the server end, not with the chat exactly but if one had received the charc and the money. ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:58:00 - [112] look right here, this can mean that one of the 2 stated in the above changed the logs, yet if fret changed the logs, why switch the last 3 lines, and if tornsoul changed the last 3 lines to suit bigs needs, wha would have been the point of it. but what we have here is a definate change of logs meaning wither of them could have done it and only way it can be solved is by CCP looking at the master logs on the server end, not with the chat exactly but if one had received the charc and the money. ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Sc0rpion	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:07:00 - [113] I'm sorry, I didn't feel like reading 2 pages of logfiles. Someone wanna give me the short version? "The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously." -Freidrich Nietzche
Sc0rpion	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:07:00 - [114] I'm sorry, I didn't feel like reading 2 pages of logfiles. Someone wanna give me the short version? "The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously." -Freidrich Nietzche
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:08:00 - [115] Well all i can say is that the logs i posted are true...It is exactly what happened. Is this a "BIG" coverup or not i dont know....but for me it is simple, i was scammed and if tion is supporting the screenshot then he is a liar and scammer becuase it is 100% untrue. Trust me i have better thing to do than to plan a scam that would be as elaborate as this would have to be...As i keep saying im no longer fighting for my isk...im fighting for the truth. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:08:00 - [116] Well all i can say is that the logs i posted are true...It is exactly what happened. Is this a "BIG" coverup or not i dont know....but for me it is simple, i was scammed and if tion is supporting the screenshot then he is a liar and scammer becuase it is 100% untrue. Trust me i have better thing to do than to plan a scam that would be as elaborate as this would have to be...As i keep saying im no longer fighting for my isk...im fighting for the truth. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
csebal	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:12:00 - [117] Originally by: Fret Well all i can say is that the logs i posted are true...It is exactly what happened. Is this a "BIG" coverup or not i dont know....but for me it is simple, i was scammed and if tion is supporting the screenshot then he is a liar and scammer becuase it is 100% untrue. Trust me i have better thing to do than to plan a scam that would be as elaborate as this would have to be...As i keep saying im no longer fighting for my isk...im fighting for the truth. You can't give up it seems. Why don't you stop while you are but a scammer, who indeed had tried a nice - although failed - scam? Why do you try to make an idiot out of yourself? If you think, that anyone will believe you against BIG, then you are in a BIG mistake. They have the history / past actions to support their words. What can you show, to do the same? ------------- This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way. -------------
csebal	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:12:00 - [118] Originally by: Fret Well all i can say is that the logs i posted are true...It is exactly what happened. Is this a "BIG" coverup or not i dont know....but for me it is simple, i was scammed and if tion is supporting the screenshot then he is a liar and scammer becuase it is 100% untrue. Trust me i have better thing to do than to plan a scam that would be as elaborate as this would have to be...As i keep saying im no longer fighting for my isk...im fighting for the truth. You can't give up it seems. Why don't you stop while you are but a scammer, who indeed had tried a nice - although failed - scam? Why do you try to make an idiot out of yourself? If you think, that anyone will believe you against BIG, then you are in a BIG mistake. They have the history / past actions to support their words. What can you show, to do the same? ------------- This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way. -------------
Derkan	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:13:00 - [119] Originally by: Dsanta look right here, this can mean that one of the 2 stated in the above changed the logs, yet if fret changed the logs, why switch the last 3 lines, and if tornsoul changed the last 3 lines to suit bigs needs, wha would have been the point of it. but what we have here is a definate change of logs meaning wither of them could have done it and only way it can be solved is by CCP looking at the master logs on the server end, not with the chat exactly but if one had received the charc and the money. If you're not aware, there is a lag factor involved in that. The screenshot is from Tion and the logs are from Fret. There is often a 1sec or so delay from when you type something before the other person see's it. If ya dont believe it, try it urself with a friend. The screenshot is the best proof i've seen. http://eve-coldfusion.com
Derkan	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:13:00 - [120] Originally by: Dsanta look right here, this can mean that one of the 2 stated in the above changed the logs, yet if fret changed the logs, why switch the last 3 lines, and if tornsoul changed the last 3 lines to suit bigs needs, wha would have been the point of it. but what we have here is a definate change of logs meaning wither of them could have done it and only way it can be solved is by CCP looking at the master logs on the server end, not with the chat exactly but if one had received the charc and the money. If you're not aware, there is a lag factor involved in that. The screenshot is from Tion and the logs are from Fret. There is often a 1sec or so delay from when you type something before the other person see's it. If ya dont believe it, try it urself with a friend. The screenshot is the best proof i've seen. http://eve-coldfusion.com
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:18:00 - [121] lol, and yet more proof not to believe any of this: look at the chatlogs: original the alter source the altered chatlog ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:18:00 - [122] lol, and yet more proof not to believe any of this: look at the chatlogs: original the alter source the altered chatlog ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:23:00 - [123] Originally by: Derkan Originally by: Dsanta look right here, this can mean that one of the 2 stated in the above changed the logs, yet if fret changed the logs, why switch the last 3 lines, and if tornsoul changed the last 3 lines to suit bigs needs, wha would have been the point of it. but what we have here is a definate change of logs meaning wither of them could have done it and only way it can be solved is by CCP looking at the master logs on the server end, not with the chat exactly but if one had received the charc and the money. If you're not aware, there is a lag factor involved in that. The screenshot is from Tion and the logs are from Fret. There is often a 1sec or so delay from when you type something before the other person see's it. If ya dont believe it, try it urself with a friend. The screenshot is the best proof i've seen. i dont have a delay, yet i just disproved the screeny proof too..... ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:23:00 - [124] Originally by: Derkan Originally by: Dsanta look right here, this can mean that one of the 2 stated in the above changed the logs, yet if fret changed the logs, why switch the last 3 lines, and if tornsoul changed the last 3 lines to suit bigs needs, wha would have been the point of it. but what we have here is a definate change of logs meaning wither of them could have done it and only way it can be solved is by CCP looking at the master logs on the server end, not with the chat exactly but if one had received the charc and the money. If you're not aware, there is a lag factor involved in that. The screenshot is from Tion and the logs are from Fret. There is often a 1sec or so delay from when you type something before the other person see's it. If ya dont believe it, try it urself with a friend. The screenshot is the best proof i've seen. i dont have a delay, yet i just disproved the screeny proof too..... ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:25:00 - [125] Originally by: Dsanta lol, and yet more proof not to believe any of this: look at the chatlogs: original the alter source the altered chatlog Holy ****, screenshots can be doctored? Next you'll be telling me text files can be altered. You have just BLOWN MY MIND. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:25:00 - [126] Originally by: Dsanta lol, and yet more proof not to believe any of this: look at the chatlogs: original the alter source the altered chatlog Holy ****, screenshots can be doctored? Next you'll be telling me text files can be altered. You have just BLOWN MY MIND. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:27:00 - [127] Originally by: Pandora Panda Originally by: Dsanta lol, and yet more proof not to believe any of this: look at the chatlogs: original the alter source the altered chatlog Holy ****, screenshots can be doctored? Next you'll be telling me text files can be altered. You have just BLOWN MY MIND. yep, i already knew someone was gonna write that, the whole point is to get someone to lock this stupid post and let the petition(LMAO)system work it out. ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Dsanta	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:27:00 - [128] Originally by: Pandora Panda Originally by: Dsanta lol, and yet more proof not to believe any of this: look at the chatlogs: original the alter source the altered chatlog Holy ****, screenshots can be doctored? Next you'll be telling me text files can be altered. You have just BLOWN MY MIND. yep, i already knew someone was gonna write that, the whole point is to get someone to lock this stupid post and let the petition(LMAO)system work it out. ----------------------------------------------- Linkage
Sakura Yoshida	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:33:00 - [129] you know, 750 million may not be much to all of BIG, but, to one member, it's a damn lot of money, and everyone, stop acting like just because it's a big corp it can do no wrong, a massive corp is just as capable of scamming as a single character is, probably more likely, since people will band behind it to defend it's reputation. Seeya all ^^ (P.S. Fret, i hope you're telling the truth, don't make me look stupid :P)
Sakura Yoshida	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:33:00 - [130] you know, 750 million may not be much to all of BIG, but, to one member, it's a damn lot of money, and everyone, stop acting like just because it's a big corp it can do no wrong, a massive corp is just as capable of scamming as a single character is, probably more likely, since people will band behind it to defend it's reputation. Seeya all ^^ (P.S. Fret, i hope you're telling the truth, don't make me look stupid :P)
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:41:00 - [131] Well just from looking at the screenshot. I would have to say "Fret" is lying here. Screenshots can obviously be faked here as well. Just by looking at the screenshot in photoshop I can't see anyone messing with the screenshot accept for the log text. The log text is of course yellow and up at the top it's gray. Now the chat box it self that shows what "Fret" was actually saying would be really hard to coverup being the quality of the picture. If you notice the text color in the chatbox text, it is gray/white/and 10 other shades of white/gray. Which would be really hard to dupe but of course can be duped. Now if I was going to make a fake screenshot in this case, to prove "Fret" wrong. I would clip the "Character Pictures" of fret and re-paste them on the screenshot. After I had my buddy, go in a private room and retype the log the way I wanted it to be done from within the chatroom. Then take the screenshot and re-paste "Frets" character picture over myfriends, save the file at low quality. So it's all kinda iffy at this point. Someone is lying here and I don't know who. My bet is "Fret" is not lying because the screenshot came so late in the posts. Soon as "Fret" posted the logs and saying she was scammed. My first post would have been the screenshot. Keep that in mind. Yes im a loser, im bored die! -Famine Aligher'ri Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:41:00 - [132] Well just from looking at the screenshot. I would have to say "Fret" is lying here. Screenshots can obviously be faked here as well. Just by looking at the screenshot in photoshop I can't see anyone messing with the screenshot accept for the log text. The log text is of course yellow and up at the top it's gray. Now the chat box it self that shows what "Fret" was actually saying would be really hard to coverup being the quality of the picture. If you notice the text color in the chatbox text, it is gray/white/and 10 other shades of white/gray. Which would be really hard to dupe but of course can be duped. Now if I was going to make a fake screenshot in this case, to prove "Fret" wrong. I would clip the "Character Pictures" of fret and re-paste them on the screenshot. After I had my buddy, go in a private room and retype the log the way I wanted it to be done from within the chatroom. Then take the screenshot and re-paste "Frets" character picture over myfriends, save the file at low quality. So it's all kinda iffy at this point. Someone is lying here and I don't know who. My bet is "Fret" is not lying because the screenshot came so late in the posts. Soon as "Fret" posted the logs and saying she was scammed. My first post would have been the screenshot. Keep that in mind. Yes im a loser, im bored die! -Famine Aligher'ri Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Sakura Yoshida	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:47:00 - [133] it also seems a bit weird that someone would take a screenshot of that exact bit of the conversation, unless they knew it might come in useful, i usually take screenshots of my ship and stuff ^^
Sakura Yoshida	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:47:00 - [134] it also seems a bit weird that someone would take a screenshot of that exact bit of the conversation, unless they knew it might come in useful, i usually take screenshots of my ship and stuff ^^
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:51:00 - [135] Yeah that too. It also occured to me that the screenshot could have been good quality. There for allowing someone to altar it and the saving it as poor quality to make it look like it would be more "Hard" to edit it. I dono about screenshots on eve, never really took one. Just prey ccp logs everything =) -Famine Aligher'ri Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:51:00 - [136] Yeah that too. It also occured to me that the screenshot could have been good quality. There for allowing someone to altar it and the saving it as poor quality to make it look like it would be more "Hard" to edit it. I dono about screenshots on eve, never really took one. Just prey ccp logs everything =) -Famine Aligher'ri Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:56:00 - [137] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Yeah that too. It also occured to me that the screenshot could have been good quality. There for allowing someone to altar it and the saving it as poor quality to make it look like it would be more "Hard" to edit it. I dono about screenshots on eve, never really took one. Just prey ccp logs everything =) -Famine Aligher'ri Screenshots taken with EVE are of excellent quality. The image was saved with excessive compression, which is why theres so much artifacting. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:56:00 - [138] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Yeah that too. It also occured to me that the screenshot could have been good quality. There for allowing someone to altar it and the saving it as poor quality to make it look like it would be more "Hard" to edit it. I dono about screenshots on eve, never really took one. Just prey ccp logs everything =) -Famine Aligher'ri Screenshots taken with EVE are of excellent quality. The image was saved with excessive compression, which is why theres so much artifacting. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Sakura Yoshida	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:01:00 - [139] yeah, they're BMPs, which are like top-quality, and 40 times bigger than a JPEG :P
Sakura Yoshida	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:01:00 - [140] yeah, they're BMPs, which are like top-quality, and 40 times bigger than a JPEG :P
Torvus Jay	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:14:00 - [141] Tornsouls entire argument rests on those screens. They are excesively compressed. This alone is suspicious. This is before you look at the inconsistancy of the conversation and the time descrepancies. They also look like tornsoul recieved highquality versions of them which she then circled the parts she wanted to enphasize then overly compresed. This caused alot of artifacting around the text in question and so would help hide any alterations made. BIG themselves would not have accept a login screen shot of that poor quality when accepting someone into their corp. Also if fret confirmed xfer in the BIG chan why didnt tion say this in the thread when fret called scam. Why was it so surprising for tournsoul to find this info out. You would think that the first thing tion would tell torn when questioned is "she confirmed the xfer". I think torn was betting on frets questionable history to win over and keep people from heavy scrutiny of the "evidence". It even worked for a page or so of the thread everyone bending over backwards to give kudos and congrats to torn for such a great investigation. But it didnt work; new inconsistancies were found and if tornsoul really wanted to do such a great job like the long well written posts suggests why did she turn a blind eye to these discrepancies. Why has torn not rebutted the arguments being made here yet. Post the fully unedited BMPs so that they can be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Your entire argument rests on them. ______________ Aim careful, and look the devil in the eye.
Torvus Jay	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:14:00 - [142] Tornsouls entire argument rests on those screens. They are excesively compressed. This alone is suspicious. This is before you look at the inconsistancy of the conversation and the time descrepancies. They also look like tornsoul recieved highquality versions of them which she then circled the parts she wanted to enphasize then overly compresed. This caused alot of artifacting around the text in question and so would help hide any alterations made. BIG themselves would not have accept a login screen shot of that poor quality when accepting someone into their corp. Also if fret confirmed xfer in the BIG chan why didnt tion say this in the thread when fret called scam. Why was it so surprising for tournsoul to find this info out. You would think that the first thing tion would tell torn when questioned is "she confirmed the xfer". I think torn was betting on frets questionable history to win over and keep people from heavy scrutiny of the "evidence". It even worked for a page or so of the thread everyone bending over backwards to give kudos and congrats to torn for such a great investigation. But it didnt work; new inconsistancies were found and if tornsoul really wanted to do such a great job like the long well written posts suggests why did she turn a blind eye to these discrepancies. Why has torn not rebutted the arguments being made here yet. Post the fully unedited BMPs so that they can be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Your entire argument rests on them. ______________ Aim careful, and look the devil in the eye.
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.12.16 10:16:00 - [143] Yet another reason not to buy anything unless it comes from market or a secure trade. www.hadean.org
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.12.16 10:16:00 - [144] Yet another reason not to buy anything unless it comes from market or a secure trade. www.hadean.org
seoul	Posted - 2004.12.16 10:34:00 - [145] I wonder if CCP are going to comment on this ? Linkage Lots of opinions, its like a whodunnit, I may not need to watch Murder she wrote this afternoon lol
seoul	Posted - 2004.12.16 10:34:00 - [146] I wonder if CCP are going to comment on this ? Linkage Lots of opinions, its like a whodunnit, I may not need to watch Murder she wrote this afternoon lol
Jim Steele	Posted - 2004.12.16 10:36:00 - [147] Edited by: Jim Steele on 16/12/2004 10:47:09 Edited by: Jim Steele on 16/12/2004 10:36:22 I dont know who to trust in this scam but i doubt Tornsoul would be party to it. Big have done alot for the eve community and i doubt they would be intrested in a measly 750mil. The question we must ask ourselfs is 1) how did fret conferm he had the character when he was online and post, without logging off. The logs clearly show he didnt leave the chat log. 2) why was the isk transfered to axee befor he(fret) said he had the character ok point one can easily be argued that he was transfering to a second account but frets chatlog said that he had to log and check. Originally by: Fret [ 2004.12.11 04:07:20 ] Fret > ill log and check Death to the Galante
Jim Steele	Posted - 2004.12.16 10:36:00 - [148] Edited by: Jim Steele on 16/12/2004 10:47:09 Edited by: Jim Steele on 16/12/2004 10:36:22 I dont know who to trust in this scam but i doubt Tornsoul would be party to it. Big have done alot for the eve community and i doubt they would be intrested in a measly 750mil. The question we must ask ourselfs is 1) how did fret conferm he had the character when he was online and post, without logging off. The logs clearly show he didnt leave the chat log. 2) why was the isk transfered to axee befor he(fret) said he had the character ok point one can easily be argued that he was transfering to a second account but frets chatlog said that he had to log and check. Originally by: Fret [ 2004.12.11 04:07:20 ] Fret > ill log and check Death to the Galante
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 14:15:00 - [149] Originally by: Jim Steele Edited by: Jim Steele on 16/12/2004 10:47:09 Edited by: Jim Steele on 16/12/2004 10:36:22 I dont know who to trust in this scam but i doubt Tornsoul would be party to it. Big have done alot for the eve community and i doubt they would be intrested in a measly 750mil. The question we must ask ourselfs is 1) how did fret conferm he had the character when he was online and post, without logging off. The logs clearly show he didnt leave the chat log. A:Well i did log and check, not sure how the system records that but it should be there because it is what i did. 2) why was the isk transfered to axee befor he(fret) said he had the character A: Because that was the agreement...Tion would verify the character, and i would transfer the isk...then the transfer would take place "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 14:15:00 - [150] Originally by: Jim Steele Edited by: Jim Steele on 16/12/2004 10:47:09 Edited by: Jim Steele on 16/12/2004 10:36:22 I dont know who to trust in this scam but i doubt Tornsoul would be party to it. Big have done alot for the eve community and i doubt they would be intrested in a measly 750mil. The question we must ask ourselfs is 1) how did fret conferm he had the character when he was online and post, without logging off. The logs clearly show he didnt leave the chat log. A:Well i did log and check, not sure how the system records that but it should be there because it is what i did. 2) why was the isk transfered to axee befor he(fret) said he had the character A: Because that was the agreement...Tion would verify the character, and i would transfer the isk...then the transfer would take place "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Wormin	Posted - 2004.12.16 14:32:00 - [151] I dont think people should be alowed to buy / sell characters in the first place.. to me that amounts to nothing less that cheating and am pretty stunned it goes on. Got no sympathy for anyone getting scammed in this way at all..
Wormin	Posted - 2004.12.16 14:32:00 - [152] I dont think people should be alowed to buy / sell characters in the first place.. to me that amounts to nothing less that cheating and am pretty stunned it goes on. Got no sympathy for anyone getting scammed in this way at all..
Stavros	Posted - 2004.12.16 14:54:00 - [153] Edited by: Stavros on 16/12/2004 14:54:51 erm ok, I'm not currently active in eve but this entire sharade disgusts me but not for the reasons people probably think. Suppose you have some drugs, lets call this drug for example 'amazing cheese drug' or acd for short, right ya'll still with me? Great stuff... Ok now you can take this drug in two ways, you can EITHER snort the drug OR you can smoke the drug.. HOWEVER ONE method of taking this drug is illegal, namely snorting it, whilst the other, smoking it, is completely fine... this would be an utterly stupid state of affairs no? YES IT WOULD BE AND DON'T ANYONE EVEN THINK ABOUT DISAGREEING WITH ME THANX. So now what we have is an ISD chocked (or at least very closely linked cos yes hello how many other corps get free supposedly unique bships to give away OMG ROFLER CHORTLE) corp like BIG who can SELL characters for isk, using an OUT OF GAME WEBSITE (yes the eve website with its char transfer stuff is OOG). However people who sell characters on ebay (ANOTHER OUT OF GAME WEBSITE OMG SURPRISE DO U SEE THE SIMILARITY HERE YES?) get banned and naughty stuff done to them... DOES THIS SEEM STUPID TO NOBODY ELSE? (THINK BEFORE ANSWERING PLS COS IF U DISAGREE UR WRONG) SORT UR POLICIES OUT CCP COS ATM U JUST APPEAR WEAK AND POWERLESS TO ACT ON ANYTHING! I am not implying here that BIG is in anyway wrong or that fret is write infact I really couldn't care less about either of them to be perfectly honest. Anyway there we go.. Thats how it is and if u dont think it is this way then uv'e prolly been smoking to much ACD (AHAHAH YES MY THEORITICAL EXAMPLE 4TW) Stavros (THY ABSENT LORD AND SUPREME RULER ALL TREMBLE IN HIS PRESENCE LEST HE SLAP U WITH A CERTAIN PART OF HIS MANLY ANATOMY) -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.12.16 14:54:00 - [154] Edited by: Stavros on 16/12/2004 14:54:51 erm ok, I'm not currently active in eve but this entire sharade disgusts me but not for the reasons people probably think. Suppose you have some drugs, lets call this drug for example 'amazing cheese drug' or acd for short, right ya'll still with me? Great stuff... Ok now you can take this drug in two ways, you can EITHER snort the drug OR you can smoke the drug.. HOWEVER ONE method of taking this drug is illegal, namely snorting it, whilst the other, smoking it, is completely fine... this would be an utterly stupid state of affairs no? YES IT WOULD BE AND DON'T ANYONE EVEN THINK ABOUT DISAGREEING WITH ME THANX. So now what we have is an ISD chocked (or at least very closely linked cos yes hello how many other corps get free supposedly unique bships to give away OMG ROFLER CHORTLE) corp like BIG who can SELL characters for isk, using an OUT OF GAME WEBSITE (yes the eve website with its char transfer stuff is OOG). However people who sell characters on ebay (ANOTHER OUT OF GAME WEBSITE OMG SURPRISE DO U SEE THE SIMILARITY HERE YES?) get banned and naughty stuff done to them... DOES THIS SEEM STUPID TO NOBODY ELSE? (THINK BEFORE ANSWERING PLS COS IF U DISAGREE UR WRONG) SORT UR POLICIES OUT CCP COS ATM U JUST APPEAR WEAK AND POWERLESS TO ACT ON ANYTHING! I am not implying here that BIG is in anyway wrong or that fret is write infact I really couldn't care less about either of them to be perfectly honest. Anyway there we go.. Thats how it is and if u dont think it is this way then uv'e prolly been smoking to much ACD (AHAHAH YES MY THEORITICAL EXAMPLE 4TW) Stavros (THY ABSENT LORD AND SUPREME RULER ALL TREMBLE IN HIS PRESENCE LEST HE SLAP U WITH A CERTAIN PART OF HIS MANLY ANATOMY) -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Riddari	Posted - 2004.12.16 14:57:00 - [155] Stav, the "Transfer character" service that CCP provide is a pretty good sign that they reluctantly accept this to work like it does. E-bay involves transactions for dollars, this was a transition in ISK. I think that's the main difference. How that ISK came to be is an unrelated question. ¼©¼ a history
Riddari	Posted - 2004.12.16 14:57:00 - [156] Stav, the "Transfer character" service that CCP provide is a pretty good sign that they reluctantly accept this to work like it does. E-bay involves transactions for dollars, this was a transition in ISK. I think that's the main difference. How that ISK came to be is an unrelated question. ¼©¼ a history
Vernn	Posted - 2004.12.16 14:57:00 - [157] I side with Fret. The guys from from BIG, whatever that is, seem like a bunch of turd burglars. Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Vernn	Posted - 2004.12.16 14:57:00 - [158] I side with Fret. The guys from from BIG, whatever that is, seem like a bunch of turd burglars. Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Kaar	Posted - 2004.12.16 15:02:00 - [159] Dear Fret did you ever think the transfer hasent gone thru yet because CCP is swamped with silly petitions. I predict that your char transfer is lost in the system till CCP gets to it. But i must also say that thread about him having friends that login his account would worry me!
Kaar	Posted - 2004.12.16 15:02:00 - [160] Dear Fret did you ever think the transfer hasent gone thru yet because CCP is swamped with silly petitions. I predict that your char transfer is lost in the system till CCP gets to it. But i must also say that thread about him having friends that login his account would worry me!
Stavros	Posted - 2004.12.16 15:05:00 - [161] Ok lets be honest here riddari, ccp can't do squat to stop isk sales on ebay all they can do and have been shown to do in the past is to stop direct sales of characters. I mean if this crap is allowed u could make VERY VERY tidy profit signing up for say 10/20 eve accounts, training them for say 6 months then selling them all on. This is infact one of the worst judgement calls i have ever seen CCP make, I mean what IF i sell my char on ebay FOR ISK ingame?? Is that allowed? What if i trade my char ingame for say 10 bships? IS THAT allowed? The simple answer is its a slippery slope, once u allow one form of char/account (lets not mince words here NOBODY cares about acccounts just chars) u pretty much open the floodgates to lamerdom. Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.12.16 15:05:00 - [162] Ok lets be honest here riddari, ccp can't do squat to stop isk sales on ebay all they can do and have been shown to do in the past is to stop direct sales of characters. I mean if this crap is allowed u could make VERY VERY tidy profit signing up for say 10/20 eve accounts, training them for say 6 months then selling them all on. This is infact one of the worst judgement calls i have ever seen CCP make, I mean what IF i sell my char on ebay FOR ISK ingame?? Is that allowed? What if i trade my char ingame for say 10 bships? IS THAT allowed? The simple answer is its a slippery slope, once u allow one form of char/account (lets not mince words here NOBODY cares about acccounts just chars) u pretty much open the floodgates to lamerdom. Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
kieron	Posted - 2004.12.16 15:09:00 - [163] The GMs are investigating the situation and a resolution is forthcoming shortly. The results of the investigation will be kept between the players involved and will not be released to the player base. Further discussion on the topic is not going to have an effect on the results of the investigation and there is no need to drag any of the parties involved through the mud or a public lynching. Thread is locked. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
kieron	Posted - 2004.12.16 15:09:00 - [164] The GMs are investigating the situation and a resolution is forthcoming shortly. The results of the investigation will be kept between the players involved and will not be released to the player base. Further discussion on the topic is not going to have an effect on the results of the investigation and there is no need to drag any of the parties involved through the mud or a public lynching. Thread is locked. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

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