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Negotiator	Posted - 2004.12.24 09:37:00 - [211] i want t20's job...that's the 2nd smiley i make for the forum, and if it gets added - i will have done more for this forum then he has :P
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.12.24 09:37:00 - [212] i want t20's job...that's the 2nd smiley i make for the forum, and if it gets added - i will have done more for this forum then he has :P
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.24 09:58:00 - [213] Originally by: Negotiator i want t20's job...that's the 2nd smiley i make for the forum, and if it gets added - i will have done more for this forum then he has :P You mean, like, other then coding it? [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.24 09:58:00 - [214] Originally by: Negotiator i want t20's job...that's the 2nd smiley i make for the forum, and if it gets added - i will have done more for this forum then he has :P You mean, like, other then coding it? [Heterocephalus glaber]
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.12.24 09:59:00 - [215] if he coded it, we'd have a search feature by now ^^
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.12.24 09:59:00 - [216] if he coded it, we'd have a search feature by now ^^
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.24 10:04:00 - [217] heart smiley > search, tbh [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.12.24 10:04:00 - [218] heart smiley > search, tbh [Heterocephalus glaber]
Leipuri	Posted - 2004.12.24 11:20:00 - [219] For missile nerf topic Reverse speeds of missiles. Small missile should go faster than some big cruiser missile. Make it so big missiles do less damage to small targets, but also small missiles do less damage to big targets (make it depend of ship size versus missile size). Test, Rebalance, nerf, unnerf later
Leipuri	Posted - 2004.12.24 11:20:00 - [220] For missile nerf topic Reverse speeds of missiles. Small missile should go faster than some big cruiser missile. Make it so big missiles do less damage to small targets, but also small missiles do less damage to big targets (make it depend of ship size versus missile size). Test, Rebalance, nerf, unnerf later
Leipuri	Posted - 2004.12.24 11:29:00 - [221] Originally by: alynne my idea for missiles, down at the bottom of the post Thats very good idea!
Leipuri	Posted - 2004.12.24 11:29:00 - [222] Originally by: alynne my idea for missiles, down at the bottom of the post Thats very good idea!
Nomispanco	Posted - 2004.12.24 12:25:00 - [223] Originally by: alynne my idea for missiles, down at the bottom of the post Wow sounds really thought through. I like it :D
Nomispanco	Posted - 2004.12.24 12:25:00 - [224] Originally by: alynne my idea for missiles, down at the bottom of the post Wow sounds really thought through. I like it :D
Lil' Bit	Posted - 2004.12.24 15:33:00 - [225] Edited by: Lil' Bit on 24/12/2004 16:03:21 Re Missiles: When is the 'make the raven a better miner' patch coming? As far as I know, the Caldari ships are the only ships where the battleships are actually worse at mining than the cruisers. Or failing that, when is the 'make the raven a better ratter' patch coming? (Apoc can spend 0 ISK hunting at point blank range to keep those nasty cans all in one spot) Or failing that, when is the 'make the raven better at long range fleet pvp' patch coming? I have to say waiting for torpedos to travel 60+km is not a great advertisement for supposed Raven superiority. Or failing that, when is the 'Make the raven a better tank' patch coming along? Because armor tanking simply owns shield tanking. Part of this is because shield boosters are so cap inefficient, boost amp or no, and part of the reason is because the skill used for shield boosters increases the near useless shield recharge stat, instead of decreasing activation time, like Hull Upgrades does for armor repair units. Now I do agree that the anti-frigate power of the raven should be nerfed. But have a care how far you nerf. If you try and make the raven litterally good for nothing (as it is beginning to seem) you will find that you have failed. It will still be good for something: Reprocessing.
Lil' Bit	Posted - 2004.12.24 15:33:00 - [226] Edited by: Lil' Bit on 24/12/2004 16:03:21 Re Missiles: When is the 'make the raven a better miner' patch coming? As far as I know, the Caldari ships are the only ships where the battleships are actually worse at mining than the cruisers. Or failing that, when is the 'make the raven a better ratter' patch coming? (Apoc can spend 0 ISK hunting at point blank range to keep those nasty cans all in one spot) Or failing that, when is the 'make the raven better at long range fleet pvp' patch coming? I have to say waiting for torpedos to travel 60+km is not a great advertisement for supposed Raven superiority. Or failing that, when is the 'Make the raven a better tank' patch coming along? Because armor tanking simply owns shield tanking. Part of this is because shield boosters are so cap inefficient, boost amp or no, and part of the reason is because the skill used for shield boosters increases the near useless shield recharge stat, instead of decreasing activation time, like Hull Upgrades does for armor repair units. Now I do agree that the anti-frigate power of the raven should be nerfed. But have a care how far you nerf. If you try and make the raven litterally good for nothing (as it is beginning to seem) you will find that you have failed. It will still be good for something: Reprocessing.
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.12.24 17:09:00 - [227] Naww, if you're going to do something skill wise with shield boosters I'd rather see a skill that reduces the cap requirement per boost than ups the speed, its the cap efficiency that's the issue. Its already a lot faster than armour boosting.
Celt Eireson	Posted - 2004.12.24 17:09:00 - [228] Naww, if you're going to do something skill wise with shield boosters I'd rather see a skill that reduces the cap requirement per boost than ups the speed, its the cap efficiency that's the issue. Its already a lot faster than armour boosting.
Hawk Firestorm	Posted - 2004.12.24 21:18:00 - [229] One sugestion for the newer mid sized ships such as the destroyers & Bc's is that the mid range guns you introduced sometime ago such as 350 rails, and crus Launchers should goto BC's etc and the 200 rails goto the destroyer class. But ONLY if you can restrict their fitting by more than just CPU/pwrgrid, for obvious reasons. Also mid sized burners and mwd's seem in order some or a adjustment via a bonus on the hulls so they gain a proper speed increase from these units from in effect a undersized unit. ie my Ferox with 10nm goes as fast as my Apoc with a 100mn, even though the BC if far smaller. Gun tracking definately needs to go, in favour of something totally transparent to the user, no one has time to start getting slide rules out in a fleet battle. And indeed I think a simpler system would be far more effective, less prone to problems, more accessable to users, and far easier to adjust for balance.
Hawk Firestorm	Posted - 2004.12.24 21:18:00 - [230] One sugestion for the newer mid sized ships such as the destroyers & Bc's is that the mid range guns you introduced sometime ago such as 350 rails, and crus Launchers should goto BC's etc and the 200 rails goto the destroyer class. But ONLY if you can restrict their fitting by more than just CPU/pwrgrid, for obvious reasons. Also mid sized burners and mwd's seem in order some or a adjustment via a bonus on the hulls so they gain a proper speed increase from these units from in effect a undersized unit. ie my Ferox with 10nm goes as fast as my Apoc with a 100mn, even though the BC if far smaller. Gun tracking definately needs to go, in favour of something totally transparent to the user, no one has time to start getting slide rules out in a fleet battle. And indeed I think a simpler system would be far more effective, less prone to problems, more accessable to users, and far easier to adjust for balance.
TimeKeepr	Posted - 2004.12.25 20:51:00 - [231] Originally by: Oveur - Missile Overhaul - EW Overhaul - Fix some of the projectile turrets - Tech Level 2 Missiles, Launchers, Drones and EW. - Increased Hitpoints on all ships - Tech Level 2 ships and tweaks to them so, t2 missles...how about t2 ammo for turrets? will that be coming around anytime soon?
TimeKeepr	Posted - 2004.12.25 20:51:00 - [232] Originally by: Oveur - Missile Overhaul - EW Overhaul - Fix some of the projectile turrets - Tech Level 2 Missiles, Launchers, Drones and EW. - Increased Hitpoints on all ships - Tech Level 2 ships and tweaks to them so, t2 missles...how about t2 ammo for turrets? will that be coming around anytime soon?
ManOfHonor	Posted - 2004.12.28 04:07:00 - [233] Edited by: ManOfHonor on 28/12/2004 04:10:02 Edited by: ManOfHonor on 28/12/2004 04:08:27 lifewire thats the dumbest idea iv ever heard twisted :P an id jus like to ask for 2 things- make projs pwn more than a newbgun and 5MN and 50MN versions of ABs an MWDs for the dessies an BCs ^^ yeah, just get a simple missile system, id rather think of why my projs r sucking so badly than i want to think of why those bloody missiles are hitting me Quote: OMGNODEVRESPONSEAFTER1000000POSTS!!111BBQ well thats one way to think of it.... but i prefer Log Base Devs Of EVE=cookies (go back to school if you dont know what a Log function is) /me gets back into his Rifter (named TomB's Titan) and trys to dual MWD away * DOH! (frgot bout that) and stop with the sensual war thing, you look like morons (if your IQ is higher than that of a rat, ignore the rest of this) consensual means that both sides agree... ok, so noone foots a war bill... now if you didnt figure that out already you probly cant even read, so get outa eve, and go work in a cheap 2 cents per hour fast foot resturant _____________________________ Honor Glory And Strength! Honor Above Self Glory For Self Strength Of Self (\_/) (^.^) (> <)
ManOfHonor	Posted - 2004.12.28 04:07:00 - [234] Edited by: ManOfHonor on 28/12/2004 04:10:02 Edited by: ManOfHonor on 28/12/2004 04:08:27 lifewire thats the dumbest idea iv ever heard twisted :P an id jus like to ask for 2 things- make projs pwn more than a newbgun and 5MN and 50MN versions of ABs an MWDs for the dessies an BCs ^^ yeah, just get a simple missile system, id rather think of why my projs r sucking so badly than i want to think of why those bloody missiles are hitting me Quote: OMGNODEVRESPONSEAFTER1000000POSTS!!111BBQ well thats one way to think of it.... but i prefer Log Base Devs Of EVE=cookies (go back to school if you dont know what a Log function is) /me gets back into his Rifter (named TomB's Titan) and trys to dual MWD away * DOH! (frgot bout that) and stop with the sensual war thing, you look like morons (if your IQ is higher than that of a rat, ignore the rest of this) consensual means that both sides agree... ok, so noone foots a war bill... now if you didnt figure that out already you probly cant even read, so get outa eve, and go work in a cheap 2 cents per hour fast foot resturant _____________________________ Honor Glory And Strength! Honor Above Self Glory For Self Strength Of Self (\_/) (^.^) (> <)
OffBeaT	Posted - 2004.12.29 03:26:00 - [235] Edited by: OffBeaT on 29/12/2004 03:51:18 Edited by: OffBeaT on 29/12/2004 03:49:21 Originally by: Tennotsukai Originally by: OffBeaT Missile Overhaul - EW Overhaul - Fix some of the projectile turrets - Tech Level 2 Missiles, Launchers, Drones and EW. - Increased Hitpoints on all ships - Tech Level 2 ships and tweaks to them great, there gose my raven and any lesser skilled players being able too compet in combat up against higher skilled players when they nerf ew too death. ew dose not need a overhaul nor dose missiles all that much. its the time of the apoc. im only gona pay month by month now and wait. You have hit the nail right on the head, why should a new player with minimal skill points be able to jump into a raven and gank with ease a player that has several million skill points more in a 1 vs 1. EW Does need an overhaul, and so does missles at the moment they are too over powering more so with T2 launchers and missles on the cards. Both are too powerful, to create any balance in the game. welp, the way i see it if the game is only base on skill points and just becouse you happend too have 12mil in points up against a player with 7mil and you think you should always win in a fight and a lesser skilled player should always be your victiom, it would make for a real wimpy game and realy has no skill or chance too it.. MAKES FOR A REAL BORING GAME! not too say it could make players with 8 mil or over in points say f-it this is stupit and maby give up on the game. if you dont give players regardless of skill lvl a chance too be crative or cunning in the game with thier ship setups so at lest they stand some chance is not a good rout too take in the game. it would be a game i realy wouldnt wont too be a part of. only real sooky playes would. ew evens out the playing feild somwhat for weaker players too stand a chance. no 1 month player even with ew is gona win against a 7mil player if he got any skill or idea of what he is doing.. this ant sim city bro, you wont a game like that then head on over and play it. if all the game wonts is gate gang banging then come out and say it, so the rest of us can say fine and move on. you cant skill evry little thing out in this game, just too keep the old elite farts who are very few now happy. you have a hell of alot more players too worry about and they wont a fair chance in this game too no matter what there skills are at. just for the record, just becouse you been bobing around longer clicking your skill points dosnt make you a skilled or better player then the lesser skilled player. you didnt ern thouse skill points buy doing anything for them, you just clicked them and waited. that dosnt give you the right too kick evryones ass who has a cuple of mill less then you in points just becouse you have been around longer racking your skills up.. for all we know pal, the only thing you ever did in this game is mine and got your ass kicked buy a noob.. sooky! (i wona always win, i got more points then him.) it dosnt get any stupiter then that..
OffBeaT	Posted - 2004.12.29 03:26:00 - [236] Edited by: OffBeaT on 29/12/2004 03:51:18 Edited by: OffBeaT on 29/12/2004 03:49:21 Originally by: Tennotsukai Originally by: OffBeaT Missile Overhaul - EW Overhaul - Fix some of the projectile turrets - Tech Level 2 Missiles, Launchers, Drones and EW. - Increased Hitpoints on all ships - Tech Level 2 ships and tweaks to them great, there gose my raven and any lesser skilled players being able too compet in combat up against higher skilled players when they nerf ew too death. ew dose not need a overhaul nor dose missiles all that much. its the time of the apoc. im only gona pay month by month now and wait. You have hit the nail right on the head, why should a new player with minimal skill points be able to jump into a raven and gank with ease a player that has several million skill points more in a 1 vs 1. EW Does need an overhaul, and so does missles at the moment they are too over powering more so with T2 launchers and missles on the cards. Both are too powerful, to create any balance in the game. welp, the way i see it if the game is only base on skill points and just becouse you happend too have 12mil in points up against a player with 7mil and you think you should always win in a fight and a lesser skilled player should always be your victiom, it would make for a real wimpy game and realy has no skill or chance too it.. MAKES FOR A REAL BORING GAME! not too say it could make players with 8 mil or over in points say f-it this is stupit and maby give up on the game. if you dont give players regardless of skill lvl a chance too be crative or cunning in the game with thier ship setups so at lest they stand some chance is not a good rout too take in the game. it would be a game i realy wouldnt wont too be a part of. only real sooky playes would. ew evens out the playing feild somwhat for weaker players too stand a chance. no 1 month player even with ew is gona win against a 7mil player if he got any skill or idea of what he is doing.. this ant sim city bro, you wont a game like that then head on over and play it. if all the game wonts is gate gang banging then come out and say it, so the rest of us can say fine and move on. you cant skill evry little thing out in this game, just too keep the old elite farts who are very few now happy. you have a hell of alot more players too worry about and they wont a fair chance in this game too no matter what there skills are at. just for the record, just becouse you been bobing around longer clicking your skill points dosnt make you a skilled or better player then the lesser skilled player. you didnt ern thouse skill points buy doing anything for them, you just clicked them and waited. that dosnt give you the right too kick evryones ass who has a cuple of mill less then you in points just becouse you have been around longer racking your skills up.. for all we know pal, the only thing you ever did in this game is mine and got your ass kicked buy a noob.. sooky! (i wona always win, i got more points then him.) it dosnt get any stupiter then that..
2ippy	Posted - 2004.12.29 17:35:00 - [237] i find this agenda not well thought out, there are plenty of fixes that need doing that havn't worked properly since beta, adding more features will only add more fixes needed.
2ippy	Posted - 2004.12.29 17:35:00 - [238] i find this agenda not well thought out, there are plenty of fixes that need doing that havn't worked properly since beta, adding more features will only add more fixes needed.
Prothos	Posted - 2004.12.29 21:08:00 - [239] Oops dev's did not tell the truth. If you change missle it will be a nerf.
Prothos	Posted - 2004.12.29 21:08:00 - [240] Oops dev's did not tell the truth. If you change missle it will be a nerf.

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