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Rawrr Baby
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:34:00 -
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As topic says.
Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.
Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
incorrect.
what you lost is an in-game item that is inherently the property of CCP.
The police will laugh at you.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:37:00 -
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GTC are bought with rl money and cannot be scammed, PLEX are bought with isk and can be scammed. There is no way someone can force you to click accept on a scam contract and if you did you are teh suck 
Originally by: captain foivos
It's not griefing, it's surprise PvP.
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Johnny Dexter
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rawrr Baby
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
I can sort of understand 'loose', but how the flying turd is it possible to think 'losse' is the correct spelling?
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QQ Noob
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:39:00 -
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Confirming OP needs to QQ moar
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Aerilis
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Dexter
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
I can sort of understand 'loose', but how the flying turd is it possible to think 'losse' is the correct spelling?
English isn't everyone's first language. Also, people make typos.
And yeah the official stance on this is like you paid CCP for an ingame item, but all ingame items belong to CCP, and since scamming is allowed by CCP, you're out of luck :(
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.
Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
I am pretty sure you are sort of slow.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:41:00 -
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are you good with being laughed at? try it in person to fully appreciate the blank look of incomprehension on the cops face before the light comes on and he starts laughing.
in short if you have any intention of retaining your dignity NO.
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JamesTalon
Caldari
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:42:00 -
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Technically, you bought something from CCP, and then turned around and made it into an item in their game, thus giving ownership back to them. The fact that you lose it in a stupid move is your own fault, and no police would investigate something like this anyway. Its like trying to sue someone who stole your ore from a jetcan :P
Keep in mind, there is 0 reason to actually undock with a plex unless your moving it to another market. Personally, I'd get a GTC, go to the station I was going to sell it at, make it a PLEX, and then sell it. No risk involved.
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"Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in SightblinderÆs eye on the Last Day." - Robert Jordan |
BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Aerilis
English isn't everyone's first language.
Just as in real life, I ignore those people completely. I don't speek gibberish and have no interest in trying to sort out someone elses mumbling...
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker
GTC are bought with rl money and cannot be scammed, PLEX are bought with isk and can be scammed. There is no way someone can force you to click accept on a scam contract and if you did you are teh suck
Who said they were accepting a scam contract? A player buys a PLEX (its a micro-transaction, no matter how much gravy you cover it with!) with RL cash. Its how its lost that may be the issue.
1. Player A spends RL money
2. redeems PLEX, relize they are in wrong station 2 jumps over, load into ship, get scanned, get popped, PLEX are looted by Player B
3. Player A miffed off at CCP's policy calls bank and has charges reversed, Player B gets free month.
Usually the company that completes the transaction has to eat the loss (CCP in this case) and pay back the customer. Player A may also cancel their account at the absurdity of the company's policy in question if they no longer like their policy. Oops! Harsh world CCP, got to adapt or die from your stupid mistakes. Sometimes its better to think it through then just giving the go ahead.
Where does CCP even come up with such silly ideas? 
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Winters Chill
Amarr
Shadow Legion.
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Winters Chill on 09/07/2010 16:51:50
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.
Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
Nope.
CCP was very clever in how it words what a PLEX actually IS and how to get it:
You purchase a gametime code first, intended to be used as, surprise surprise, game time. Once you CHOOSE to convert it into said ingame item(s), the rules of the game apply; it becomes 100% the property of CCP as stated in the EULA, any refund entitlement is therefore void.
(ignorance of the rules is no excuse as you are meant to read and understand the EULA before playing, thats why there is a little box to tick).
No player is liable for the/your loss, you would have to take the case up in the icelandic courts against CCP itself but in truth you would wasting your money and probably banned for life.
Legal threats are a little extreme for e refund of $30 though. You need to chill bro, chill like its winter.
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BobsBrother
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:52:00 -
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Plexes cannot be moved from a station they have to be applied in the station you got them as far as i know |
Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: BobsBrother
Plexes cannot be moved from a station they have to be applied in the station you got them as far as i know
From next Tuesday though, they can be transported.
Item DB | Sigs
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Flynn Fetladral
BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: BobsBrother
Plexes cannot be moved from a station they have to be applied in the station you got them as far as i know
That is changing however, if you read the blog. So basically you'll be able to undock with a PLEX card in your hold. You'll also be able to have PLEX delivered to a non NPC station (which is a good thing). To be honest, soon as you undock with a PLEX card it's your risk, your choice, like CCP says, no one is forcing you.
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Yuki Katsumura
Caldari
Carthage Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Aqriue
1. Player A spends RL money
2. redeems PLEX, relize they are in wrong station 2 jumps over, load into ship, get scanned, get popped, PLEX are looted by Player B
3. Player A miffed off at CCP's policy calls bank and has charges reversed, Player B gets free month.
Usually the company that completes the transaction has to eat the loss (CCP in this case) and pay back the customer. Player A may also cancel their account at the absurdity of the company's policy in question if they no longer like their policy. Oops! Harsh world CCP, got to adapt or die from your stupid mistakes. Sometimes its better to think it through then just giving the go ahead.
Where does CCP even come up with such silly ideas?
To above poster: That's changing July 13th.
To you, I'd really love to have your bank. As far as I know, a bank won't reverse credit card charges unless you give them a really good reason to, like theft of credit card. If someone steals the computer you just bought, the CC company will most likely go "tough luck." On the other hand, even if you had a bank that would do this, CCP could very easily convince them to charge you. They can prove that a PLEX is an in game item, for which you did not pay actual money for. You paid money for a code, which you then used to redeem as an in-game item. By doing that, you take responsibility for all risks associated with in game items.
tl;dr: The bank won't reimburse you for losing a sandwich to a mugger, so why would they reimburse a PLEX? Also, the bank is the one who takes the fall if your CC was stolen.
This is soooo not Zions Child's Alt because he sooooo did not get a ban for soooooo not trolling one of Ekrid's sooo not a troll post.
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Larkonis Trassler
EMIX INC
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 09/07/2010 17:00:22
Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Intense Thinker
GTC are bought with rl money and cannot be scammed, PLEX are bought with isk and can be scammed. There is no way someone can force you to click accept on a scam contract and if you did you are teh suck
Who said they were accepting a scam contract? A player buys a PLEX (its a micro-transaction, no matter how much gravy you cover it with!) with RL cash. Its how its lost that may be the issue.
1. Player A spends RL money
2. redeems PLEX, relize they are in wrong station 2 jumps over, load into ship, get scanned, get popped, PLEX are looted by Player B
3. Player A miffed off at CCP's policy calls bank and has charges reversed, Player B gets free month.
Usually the company that completes the transaction has to eat the loss (CCP in this case) and pay back the customer. Player A may also cancel their account at the absurdity of the company's policy in question if they no longer like their policy. Oops! Harsh world CCP, got to adapt or die from your stupid mistakes. Sometimes its better to think it through then just giving the go ahead.
Where does CCP even come up with such silly ideas?
How about a much more plausible scenario.
Player A buys PLEX and redeems it in game.
Player A realises the PLEX is in the 'wrong station'.
Player A does not have an extra chromosone and realises that he can apply the PLEX to his account there and then or apply it remotely at any time. If the PLEX was purchased to sell on the market he can load it into a fast/heavily tanked ship as with any other high value good and transport it to a market hub with ease and miniscule risk.
As for ganking. If I gank a ship with a PLEX in it and it drops it's no different to me ganking a ship with 300mil's worth of goods in it and using the cash to buy a PLEX. Think about it bro. Do you see people who buy PLEXs, sell them, buy something expensive and then get ganked immeadiately undocking reversing the transactions? How is this any different a situation?
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Virtual Rock Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:16:00 -
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0/10.
Quote:
probithet
Spelling and grammar ftw.
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Intense Thinker
GTC are bought with rl money and cannot be scammed, PLEX are bought with isk and can be scammed. There is no way someone can force you to click accept on a scam contract and if you did you are teh suck
Who said they were accepting a scam contract? A player buys a PLEX (its a micro-transaction, no matter how much gravy you cover it with!) with RL cash. Its how its lost that may be the issue.
1. Player A spends RL money
2. redeems PLEX, relize they are in wrong station 2 jumps over, load into ship, get scanned, get popped, PLEX are looted by Player B
3. Player A miffed off at CCP's policy calls bank and has charges reversed, Player B gets free month.
Usually the company that completes the transaction has to eat the loss (CCP in this case) and pay back the customer. Player A will likely get their account cancelled by CCP for not reading the policy. Oops! Harsh world CCP, got to adapt or die from your stupid mistakes. Sometimes its better to think it through then just giving the go ahead.
Fixed it for you.
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare
STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:36:00 -
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Yes, it is possible to report CCP to the police/whatever. I could report my 3pm bowel movement to the police, but they won't give a **** (pun intended). You may have used real life money to purchase the item, however, you purchased an in game item, owned and created by CCP to be used in the game. Part of the rules of that game include scamming, destruction of property, etc.
If I used real life money to purchase a plex, undock with that plex on the 13th, and get it blown to hell then yes, I could report CCP and that player to the police for "destruction of property". However, I'd get laughed at and probably fined for abusing the emergency help line.
Also, I feel justified in calling you an idiot.
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If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
Anyone who's knee jerk reaction is "I would ****ing call the police" is just a whiny *****. Sorry, but it's true, I've met too many of them in real life. You know the rules of the game and you play it. Nobody forced you to do anything, yet when you do, and screw up, your first reaction is to call the authorities, not own up to your own stupidity.
This game isn't for you. If you feel you are entitled by law to anything in a game, then it isn't for you. People lose billions on a constant basis and you would call the police over 300mil. I hate the phrase GBTW, but I think it applies here, get out while you can.
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Caphelo
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:48:00 -
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It's actually a good question. Credit card companies probably would reverse the charge, and it would be up to CCP to challenge it. Would they challenge it over $15? It would probably cost them more than that to do the challenge. The easiest thing for CCP to do in reaction is to delete the PLEX or gametime that came from it.
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Larkonis Trassler
EMIX INC
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Caphelo
It's actually a good question. Credit card companies probably would reverse the charge, and it would be up to CCP to challenge it. Would they challenge it over $15? It would probably cost them more than that to do the challenge. The easiest thing for CCP to do in reaction is to delete the PLEX or gametime that came from it.
No, the easiest thing to do would be to ban the person who reversed the charge for fraud.
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Maluminse
Caldari
Out Siders
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Posted - 2010.07.09 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: Caphelo
It's actually a good question. Credit card companies probably would reverse the charge, and it would be up to CCP to challenge it. Would they challenge it over $15? It would probably cost them more than that to do the challenge. The easiest thing for CCP to do in reaction is to delete the PLEX or gametime that came from it.
No, the easiest thing to do would be to ban the person who reversed the charge for fraud.
Confirmed as most logical post.
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Rawrr Baby
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Posted - 2010.07.09 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Rawrr Baby on 09/07/2010 18:09:48
Originally by: Johnny Dexter
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
I can sort of understand 'loose', but how the flying turd is it possible to think 'losse' is the correct spelling?
You do understand that there is not only america in this world  On this forum, there are germans, swedish, russians, polish, etc...etc...
Welcome to world of many difirent talk's dumbed down idiot 
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MickeyKnox
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Posted - 2010.07.09 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: MickeyKnox on 09/07/2010 18:10:28
Posting in a whine-thread so epic, that even I, who despises people who constantly post "posting in an epic wine-thread", have to post in it.
This makes my 5 days reactivation worth it.
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MC Vet
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Posted - 2010.07.09 18:18:00 -
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This is just one of many ways where in-game activities bear no relation to rl transactions. same as buying a character and months later being told it was stolen, (granted you get isk back)or buying a ship or module and being scammed (no money refund. galling and extreme anger that you lost but there is little you can do. The only sympathy i have is character sales where the player pays real money to run the account then loses the character when it later transpires that a previous owner lays claim to it. You end up with a worthless account and no refund for game time.
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Julienne Poirier
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Posted - 2010.07.09 18:21:00 -
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i have no doubt that many have already tried reporting loss of in game items to the police
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Saelie
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Posted - 2010.07.09 19:11:00 -
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Someone blew up my internet spaceship carrying the pixels I like totally paid real money for, someone call the FBI/Interpol/Insert other law enforcement agency here!
Yeah, good luck with that one.
I like totally paid real money for my pixels and somebody stole them in complete accordance with the game mechanics and company policy! I'll just contest the charges so those evil people at CCP can't get my money!
Yeah, good luck with that one, too.
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Takashi Halamoto
No Limit Productions
Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.07.09 19:16:00 -
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the comic thing about the op is
you only undock with a plex if your intending to sell it to someone else
heck ive made an alt on my main's account, put him in amarr, sent him 300mil from my main, he buys the plex, applies the plex, bingo i get game time, its all good.
now people spending their real life cash for plex will when the change happens
be able to get their plex anywhere and it will magically be in the same station as them no matter where that is
hence they can apply the plex to their own account if they are intending to use it, but who would buy a plex to use on their own account? noone
so the only reason i can ever see for buying a plex and moving it is this
Player A hangs round the great market hubs of eve,
Player b dosnt leave lowsec/nullsec *delete as applicable,
player a buys plex in jita and flies out to sell it to player b at a profit ergo player a has no right to complain if he gets ganked,
he didnt pay any real money for it himself!
as plex will be redeemable in any station not just npc ones it removes any reason why youd want to move them, people in null wanting to sell plex can just redeem them in the null station of choice, people buying them buy and redeem them without undocking
seriously where is the issue? this is a non issue?
TL:DR - undocking with plex means either you didnt buy it yourself or your mad and crazy
Me? im just sitting here,
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Captain Yifan
Shadows Of The Requiem
Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2010.07.09 19:53:00 -
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lol, 5 days before the change came out and there's already so much rage and tears.
Cant wait for July 13th  Make sure every plex kill get posted in C&P
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Takashi Halamoto
hence they can apply the plex to their own account if they are intending to use it, but who would buy a plex to use on their own account? noone
so the only reason i can ever see for buying a plex and moving it is this
Player A hangs round the great market hubs of eve,
Player b dosnt leave lowsec/nullsec *delete as applicable,
player a buys plex in jita and flies out to sell it to player b at a profit ergo player a has no right to complain if he gets ganked,
Uh, you can apply the PLEX remotely if its in your assets window in any station in the universe. So this is a stupid thing to do. Just fly close enough to jita in lowsec and remote buy, then apply. Screw the middleman.
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egegergergsdgedgege
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:44:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.
Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
You could try to sue them in a civilian cort case. Im acctually not sure if you would lose. W
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democrities
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:47:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.
Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
Yes, call the cops. You need to get the cops, Interpol the FBI and a swat team to surround CCP head quarters, and it may even be necessary to call in the natl guard. This will be something broadcast live on all news stations, and will be the utmost priority of all law enforcement agencies in the world. Game item theft is a class G-14 Felony, and ranks up there in the international world with genocide and warcrimes. Good luck.
Oh, and if you can find them, you may also be able to hire...
The A-team.
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Maki Lolo
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:52:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Intense Thinker
GTC are bought with rl money and cannot be scammed, PLEX are bought with isk and can be scammed. There is no way someone can force you to click accept on a scam contract and if you did you are teh suck
Who said they were accepting a scam contract? A player buys a PLEX (its a micro-transaction, no matter how much gravy you cover it with!) with RL cash. Its how its lost that may be the issue.
1. Player A spends RL money
2. redeems PLEX, relize they are in wrong station 2 jumps over, load into ship, get scanned, get popped, PLEX are looted by Player B
3. Player A miffed off at CCP's policy calls bank and has charges reversed, Player B gets free month.
Usually the company that completes the transaction has to eat the loss (CCP in this case) and pay back the customer. Player A may also cancel their account at the absurdity of the company's policy in question if they no longer like their policy. Oops! Harsh world CCP, got to adapt or die from your stupid mistakes. Sometimes its better to think it through then just giving the go ahead.
Where does CCP even come up with such silly ideas?
Incorrect, CCP wouldnt have to pay any money back, they just prove that the player in question got what they purchased. Once cush proof has been made then no refund is ever made back to the person that bought it.
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Periapsis
Caldari
DotCoDotUk
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Posted - 2010.07.09 20:54:00 -
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Something I dont quite get...if you can spend RL cash on a plex and that becomes an ingame item, why can you not then buy a fitted ship for cash.
For me the bottom line is the phrase "ingame item" a ship is an ingame item which is a destroyable item, if CCP make a plex the same surely they should now allow you to buy all destroyable ingame items with RL cash.
Just wandering out loud. Still love the game.
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.07.09 22:13:00 -
[36]
You know what would be awesome, if he actually did call the police and the police officer that showed up was the guy that scammed him. However the world is not that cool so it won't happen =/
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Takashi Halamoto
No Limit Productions
Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.07.09 22:22:00 -
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but the police would still show up to caution him for wasting police time, that in itself would be a priceless image
because any lawyer would look at the EULA and say ccp has a cast iron defence in that once ANYTHING is an ingame item your rights are nonexistant and at the whim of ccp, if you dont like that you should have properly read the EULA and if you still dont like it, leave,
threatening legal action that will frankly fail horribly and incurr you costs does not make you look good
Me? im just sitting here,
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.07.09 22:26:00 -
[38]
Its an interesting question. PLEX's special treatment (which thankfully now is a historical fact) combined with its admittedly unidirectional direct exchange for actual cash makes this a harder question than most posters here are willing to acknowledge.
Ultimately I hope it never goes that way, because once in-game items become legally recongized as currency, we'll all be paying sales and other miscellaneous taxes to whichever governments choose to enforce/introduce them.
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Kesta Sovek
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.07.09 22:32:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Ehranavaar
in short if you have any intention of retaining your dignity NO.
I think that ship has sailed already.
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Dr Deadbolt
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.09 22:50:00 -
[40]
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Aerilis
English isn't everyone's first language.
Just as in real life, I ignore those people completely. I don't speek gibberish and have no interest in trying to sort out someone elses mumbling...
I don't speek gibberish
LOL u are not very bright are you ?
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Jeune
The Kairos Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:22:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.
Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
We buy GTC's with RL money and convert them to PLEX in game. Essentially this is like a micro-transaction in other MMO's. If you lost your Scintillating Sword of Ass-Kicking in WoW would you still call the police? Doubt it... but if you do, record the convo and post it please.
Also... it's your decision to try to transport it knowing that you could lose it, therefore the responsibility is yours, not CCP's.
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JASON W0RTHING
The Devolved
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:30:00 -
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OP is either an idiot or a troll.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
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Tai Paktu
Voodoo Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:35:00 -
[43]
Bad troll was bad. 1/10.
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:43:00 -
[44]
Originally by: War Kitten
And you'd probably find its not *that* easy to just "have the charges reversed" on your credit card so frivolously either.
Actually that is where you are wrong. I can and have on many accounts called my credit card company or even do it online and all I say is a) I did not buy this b) The company I purchased this product from is fraudulent
Bingo instantly charges reversed and company now gets to deal with my credit card company. Credit card company will send a paper for me to sign stating reasons for reversal etc. I sign and send it back. Good luck getting your money.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Hell's Librarians
Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:43:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: Caphelo
It's actually a good question. Credit card companies probably would reverse the charge, and it would be up to CCP to challenge it. Would they challenge it over $15? It would probably cost them more than that to do the challenge. The easiest thing for CCP to do in reaction is to delete the PLEX or gametime that came from it.
No, the easiest thing to do would be to ban the person who reversed the charge for fraud.
^^This^^
That is the reason I no longer play EQ2. "Disagreement" about renewal dates and renewal terms (Yearly vs quarterly). Reversed the charge through my CC company no problem. Permaban from SOE, no problem. (actually, they were nice enough to say that if I made good on the reversed amount, they would re-activate it.)
KB
=vinur allra manna
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2010.07.10 01:17:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Digital Solaris on 10/07/2010 01:17:25
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
Edited by: Rawrr Baby on 09/07/2010 18:09:48
Originally by: Johnny Dexter
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
I can sort of understand 'loose', but how the flying turd is it possible to think 'losse' is the correct spelling?
You do understand that there is not only america in this world On this forum, there are germans, swedish, russians, polish, etc...etc...
Welcome to world of many difirent talk's dumbed down idiot
I am Swedish myself and I agree with Johnny Dexter. Where did you learn English? |
tek0n
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Posted - 2010.07.10 01:32:00 -
[47]
Originally by: egegergergsdgedgege
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.
Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
Just in the us
You could try to sue them in a civilian cort case. Im acctually not sure if you would lose. W
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QT McWhiskers
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Posted - 2010.07.10 01:34:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist
Its an interesting question. PLEX's special treatment (which thankfully now is a historical fact) combined with its admittedly unidirectional direct exchange for actual cash makes this a harder question than most posters here are willing to acknowledge.
Ultimately I hope it never goes that way, because once in-game items become legally recongized as currency, we'll all be paying sales and other miscellaneous taxes to whichever governments choose to enforce/introduce them.
I will answer your question with another question. Do you pay tax on your ccp subscription? (other than the banks 2 dollar currency change charge) Do you pay tax on itunes songs?
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Hari Markkus
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Posted - 2010.07.10 01:50:00 -
[49]
I would be very careful saying such things. You don't want to give George Osborne, Steingrfmur J. Sigf·sson or Γιώργος Παπακωνσταντίνου any ideas on where they may find the cash they need.
If a plex has a value that is worth reporting to the police then it has a value that can be taxed.
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.07.10 01:59:00 -
[50]
I don't think it's possible because consenting to take it in your hold and out into space is accepting the risk. The thing is though, if you don't want the risk don't move it at all.
It's not a bad idea because its forced risk, it's just pointless because no sane person would take it out of its hold unless they are like the pinata ship guy and intending to lose it. There are plenty of commodities in game to play arbitrage on, gametime is a silly one.
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Lekegolo Khanid
Arbeitaholics Anonymous
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Posted - 2010.07.10 03:27:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Lekegolo Khanid on 10/07/2010 03:30:13
Edited by: Lekegolo Khanid on 10/07/2010 03:29:13
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.
Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
What if you got a PLEX, sold it, used the isk to buy....a carrier (i know) and then undocked the carrier and lost it? That was entirely possible with the old system and still is, what is the difference?. If you don't want to risking losing PLEX don't undock with PLEX. As for legality....you signed the EULA.
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Kesta Sovek
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.07.10 03:42:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ascendic
Originally by: War Kitten
And you'd probably find its not *that* easy to just "have the charges reversed" on your credit card so frivolously either.
Actually that is where you are wrong. I can and have on many accounts called my credit card company or even do it online and all I say is a) I did not buy this b) The company I purchased this product from is fraudulent
Bingo instantly charges reversed and company now gets to deal with my credit card company. Credit card company will send a paper for me to sign stating reasons for reversal etc. I sign and send it back. Good luck getting your money.
If I was CCP I'd probably ban your account for doing that. After I set your security status to -10 and moved you to Jita for a good laugh that is.
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Shirei Fenikkusu
Knights of the Eternal Flame
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:53:00 -
[53]
At this point, I believe that what CCP is doing is not illegal, but very unethical. It gives CCP the power, through their own game mechanics, to take away someones game time and boost their own bottom line. Of course, I could just never undock with a PLEX in my hold, but if CCP are willing to add game mechanics that have the potential of robbing me, how much can we really trust CCP not to do that out-of-game?
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2010.07.10 08:29:00 -
[54]
First off don't just make a simple whine thread. Put some detail in it and describe what sections of laws violated by the damage.
Second you don't call the police over a game like this. That will get you read the Riot act if you are lucky or ticketed or even arrested for wasting a patrol officer's time.
Also while the ability for the plex to be lost or destroyed will likely face a serious legal challenge in court once someone loses thousands of dollars of RL money due to large amounts of plex lost in one run. No one single or even tens of lost plex is going to matter much to the authorities. At worst it will get them in trouble with the BBB but that is about it.
Also there is a clear and defined method of not losing your plex. Never undock with it in cargo.
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Miss Connolly
Public Relations Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.10 08:45:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Caphelo
It's actually a good question. Credit card companies probably would reverse the charge, and it would be up to CCP to challenge it. Would they challenge it over $15? It would probably cost them more than that to do the challenge. The easiest thing for CCP to do in reaction is to delete the PLEX or gametime that came from it.
this is unrealistic. The CC company / bank will only reverse the transaction if you become the victim of a crime. Since ccp correctly delivered you your PLEX the transaction is complete and there are no grounds to reverse the payment. All steps you take after this initial purchase happens within eve and is thus subject to the EULA / ToS (which expressly allow theft and destruction of in-game assets). Thus you'd be the one scamming CCP (by reversing the transaction after taking posession of the goods you purchased) and not the other way around.
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Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
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Posted - 2010.07.10 08:52:00 -
[56]
I got scammed in a video game! Im gonna call Delta Force, CIA, DEA, SAS, Spetsnaz, S-PO, Hare Krishna, BOB, Fox News and A-Team. There is no way CCP is getting away with this!! 
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mandaro
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Posted - 2010.07.10 14:07:00 -
[57]
(Insert explanation over how GTC is ingame item etc etc etc EULA blah blah blah CCP yadda yadda blah blah)
Here's a novel idea:
Add the freaking things to your account time where you've redeemed them.
They are remotely useable and from what I can read in the devblog, this won't change.
tl;dr: Just do what you've been doing till now.
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TR4D3SM3N
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Posted - 2010.07.10 14:33:00 -
[58]
I have no idea about contract law, but by you clicking accept on a contract, you have therefore agreed to the above details. Displaying incorrent or unsound information on a real life contract probably has rules.
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mandaro
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Posted - 2010.07.10 14:35:00 -
[59]
Originally by: TR4D3SM3N
I have no idea about contract law, but by you clicking accept on a contract, you have therefore agreed to the above details. Displaying incorrent or unsound information on a real life contract probably has rules.
ZOMG EVE R RL LIFE NAU?
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.10 14:39:00 -
[60]
Ahahahaha.
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Riedle
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 14:45:00 -
[61]
There ain't no cure for stupid.
And education, far from curing stupid, tends only to aggravate it.
When I wonder where my taxes are going, I remember people like the OP.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.10 14:47:00 -
[62]
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Aerilis
English isn't everyone's first language.
Just as in real life, I ignore those people completely. I don't speek gibberish and have no interest in trying to sort out someone elses mumbling...
Ever been in a country where they don't speak your language, or is the thought of leaving the trailer park too frightening?
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.07.10 14:53:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.
Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
incorrect.
what you lost is an in-game item that is inherently the property of CCP.
The police will laugh at you.
This.
Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think...
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Normin Bates
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Posted - 2010.07.10 14:57:00 -
[64]
Yes. Call your CC company and have them reverse the charge.
Shouldn't take CCP too long to deduct 300mil from your ingame acct. |
TR4D3SM3N
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Posted - 2010.07.10 15:08:00 -
[65]
Originally by: mandaro
Originally by: TR4D3SM3N
I have no idea about contract law, but by you clicking accept on a contract, you have therefore agreed to the above details. Displaying incorrent or unsound information on a real life contract probably has rules.
ZOMG EVE R RL LIFE NAU?
Read the title, then think...
We are discussing whether ingame issues have any revelance to real-life law. Dire troll is dire.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Invicta.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 15:09:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Miss Connolly
Originally by: Caphelo
It's actually a good question. Credit card companies probably would reverse the charge, and it would be up to CCP to challenge it. Would they challenge it over $15? It would probably cost them more than that to do the challenge. The easiest thing for CCP to do in reaction is to delete the PLEX or gametime that came from it.
this is unrealistic. The CC company / bank will only reverse the transaction if you become the victim of a crime. Since ccp correctly delivered you your PLEX the transaction is complete and there are no grounds to reverse the payment. All steps you take after this initial purchase happens within eve and is thus subject to the EULA / ToS (which expressly allow theft and destruction of in-game assets). Thus you'd be the one scamming CCP (by reversing the transaction after taking posession of the goods you purchased) and not the other way around.
Getting a charge back is quite easy and most credit card companies will do it with either a phone call or online request, all you need to state is that there is a dispute with the company involved and they will reverse the charges. The credit card company leaves any further dispute about you owing money or w/e between you and the company that you reversed the changed from and there is no need for anyone to prove delivery of goods or service etc although when substantial amounts are involved they can appeal to their bank and dispute the charge back but in the case of an online subscription related item its difficult for either side to prove the case.
However if a company has to many reversed transactions against it sometimes the credit card providers will impose punitive actions like fines, and it looks bad in any future dispute if a company has a large history of charge backs
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Monkey Saturday
Unknown Soldiers
The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.10 15:21:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.
Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.
If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
I buy my plex with isk i make in game. Am I doing it wrong? 
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.10 15:26:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Aqriue
1. Player A spends RL money
2. redeems PLEX, relize they are in wrong station 2 jumps over, load into ship, get scanned, get popped, PLEX are looted by Player B
3. Player A miffed off at CCP's policy calls bank and has charges reversed, Player B gets free month.
Where does CCP even come up with such silly ideas?
You forgot the part where CCP bans Player A for an inappropriate chargeback. (After sending the credit card company proof of delivery of the goods so they get the chargeback reversed) :shock:
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