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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:26:00 -
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I think its a clear sign CCP are making a mess of things at the moment.
Possible reasons:
1. Do not care about fleet battles.
2. New expansions content (PI) is boring players.
3. Latest CSM minutes and outcomes.
4. Critical levels of trolling from cowardly alts while regular posters get admonished.
Discuss.
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Oricalchum
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:28:00 -
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:popcorn:
Lemme fetch that kitten.
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:28:00 -
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I completely agree somthing has to change!
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:30:00 -
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Nah the rage is normaly this stong, it just looks bad because they have something new to rage about.
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Killstealing
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:31:00 -
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You heard it here guys, levels of trolling are CRITICAL
CODE RED CODE RED
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Gladys Pank
I think its a clear sign CCP are making a mess of things at the moment.
Possible reasons:
1. Do not care about fleet battles.
2. New expansions content (PI) is boring players.
3. Latest CSM minutes and outcomes.
4. Critical levels of trolling from cowardly alts while regular posters get admonished.
Discuss.
You think CCP is doing a bad job because people are trolling the forums.
Therefore the entire internet is fail.
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Berneh
LEGI0N
SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
I think its a clear sign CCP are making a mess of things at the moment.
Possible reasons:
1. Do not care about fleet battles.
2. New expansions content (PI) is boring players.
3. Latest CSM minutes and outcomes.
4. Critical levels of trolling from cowardly alts while regular posters get admonished.
Discuss.
I would go along with that, it looks like cp dont give a **** about us at the moment.
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Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Gladys Pank
I think its a clear sign CCP are making a mess of things at the moment.
Possible reasons:
1. Do not care about fleet battles.
2. New expansions content (PI) is boring players.
3. Latest CSM minutes and outcomes.
4. Critical levels of trolling from cowardly alts while regular posters get admonished.
Discuss.
You think CCP is doing a bad job because people are trolling the forums.
Therefore the entire internet is fail.
The entire internet is fail.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:48:00 -
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I think the main cause of anger is that a year ago before Dominion the game way better and more playable in every substansive way.
CCP utterly broke the game and they refuse to fix it.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:49:00 -
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EVERYBODY CALM THE **** DOWN THIS ISN'T HELPING ANYONE
*smashes coffee mug then listens to soothing French love song*
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:55:00 -
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On the other hand part of the problem is that the last patch added nothing to the game at all so it has given players time to pause and ponder just how badly Dominion wrecked the game(while adding rather little itself).
If you dont give players something new and interesting to do they start to look around.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Terbulus
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:57:00 -
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confirmed I have resubed WoW
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
On the other hand part of the problem is that the last patch added nothing to the game at all so it has given players time to pause and ponder just how badly Dominion wrecked the game(while adding rather little itself).
If you dont give players something new and interesting to do they start to look around.
I am making quite a bit of isk thanks to some of the changes.
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
I think its a clear sign CCP are making a mess of things at the moment.
Possible reasons:
1. Do not care about fleet battles.
Of course they care and are attempting to fix the issue as evidenced by mass testing that is on-going.
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2. New expansions content (PI) is boring players.
Compared to what? More than endless missions? More than mining? Its well established fact Eve is what you make of it and who you make something of it with. Blaming the game mechanics for failing to entertain every second of every minute you spend in Eve is kinda fail.
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3. Latest CSM minutes and outcomes.
I think its pretty naive to suppose the CSM has any real input on development tbh. Make of that what you will .. Don't discount the dev blog that clearly defines what CCP is doing and with what resources. That's their call. Not yours or mine or anyone else's.
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4. Critical levels of trolling from cowardly alts while regular posters get admonished.
7. Trolling is prohibited.
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Discuss.
Or just stop trolling. 
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
CCP utterly broke the game and they refuse to fix it.
Finally somebody figured it out. It isnt because they had major changes to the codebase and such things take a while to iron out the quirks, THEY DO IT ON PURPOSE!!!
YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fakeedit: My game actually has improved a bit I'd say, but I dont give a rats backside about blobfests so maybe its just that.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Nah the rage is normaly this stong, it just looks bad because they have something new to rage about.
I thought the rage was about raging over the same thing for years.
When stuff doesn't improve discontent increases. What CCP is trying to do with it's feature over quality strategy is the equivalent of giving thrash reality TV to a starving population.
Sure this will keep them busy a while, will even get the fanboys to cheer, but when they'll be hungry enough they'll still riot.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
I think its a clear sign CCP are making a mess of things at the moment.
Possible reasons:
1. Do not care about fleet battles.
2. New expansions content (PI) is boring players.
3. Latest CSM minutes and outcomes.
4. Critical levels of trolling from cowardly alts while regular posters get admonished.
Discuss.
1. From what I understand, they are working on it and running stress tests etc. on SiSi. So you cant claim they dont care.
2. Mining in general is boring. But people do it anyway. PI is just the same, but on planets.
3. CSM minutes = CSM minutes. Nothing new.
4. Critical level of trolling. I guess, but thats against forum rules and those should be banned.
I dont see CCP messing up. I however see lots of players messing up.
Originally by: Dianabolic
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MyMainIsBiomass
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
I dont see CCP messing up. I however see lots of players messing up.
It's all the players fault?!
OMG priceless
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: BrundleMeth on 27/07/2010 20:56:39
Originally by: Ran Khanon
EVERYBODY CALM THE **** DOWN THIS ISN'T HELPING ANYONE
*smashes coffee mug then listens to soothing French love song*
Them there's fightin words bud. Wanna step out side and make sumthin out of it???
*runs to get uber frigate*
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Terbulus
confirmed I have resubed WoW
Can I have your stuffs ?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:04:00 -
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4. Critical level of trolling. I guess, but thats against forum rules and those should be banned.
I have to LOL at that pretty hard. Reason being is that for example if you post a build in the ships and modules forum that has less than 100% possible DPS for that ship you WILL be called stupid. If you ask for advice on a specific ship you will be told to fly another ship, and that your current ship choice is stupid.
Secondly, anything you post at all (any non RP forum now) will be argued both for and against. Both sides will accuse you of trolling. If posting controversial material is trolling then EVERYONE is trolling as eve is conflict-centric.
That being said, the mods seem to know what they are doing. I have posted many posts where I said I was trolling sarcastically and it was taken that way by the mods. That's all that really counts IMHO. You can't come here and start **** for the sake of it, but if you have a legit beef the let it go if you don't break any rules.
TL;DR Its not trolling just because you know ppl will flame it, it's only trolling if you post with the intent of ****ing them off to entice flaming.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth
Edited by: BrundleMeth on 27/07/2010 20:56:39
Originally by: Ran Khanon
EVERYBODY CALM THE **** DOWN THIS ISN'T HELPING ANYONE
*smashes coffee mug then listens to soothing French love song*
Them there's fightin words bud. Wanna step out side and make sumthin out of it???
*runs to get uber frigate*
T1 Cruisers, Jita, at dawn!
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: BrundleMeth on 27/07/2010 21:11:23
Originally by: Ran Khanon
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Edited by: BrundleMeth on 27/07/2010 20:56:39
Originally by: Ran Khanon
EVERYBODY CALM THE **** DOWN THIS ISN'T HELPING ANYONE
*smashes coffee mug then listens to soothing French love song*
Them there's fightin words bud. Wanna step out side and make sumthin out of it???
*runs to get uber frigate*
T1 Cruisers, Jita, at dawn!
Your time, my time, or EVE time?
Originally by: Cipher Jones
If you ask for advice on a specific ship you will be told to fly another ship, and that your current ship choice is stupid.
Yeah this. I have determined by the many posts here that the only ship anyone should fly in this game is... none.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Ran Khanon
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Edited by: BrundleMeth on 27/07/2010 20:56:39
Originally by: Ran Khanon
EVERYBODY CALM THE **** DOWN THIS ISN'T HELPING ANYONE
*smashes coffee mug then listens to soothing French love song*
Them there's fightin words bud. Wanna step out side and make sumthin out of it???
*runs to get uber frigate*
T1 Cruisers, Jita, at dawn!
Your time, my time, or EVE time?
Any time! (Must be dawn somewhere rite?)
But how about tomorrow around 19:00 EVE time?
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
1. From what I understand, they are working on it and running stress tests etc. on SiSi. So you cant claim they dont care.
See, this is a major problem.
Operations in EVE take SO MUCH ****ING TIME (8 hours to set up and arm a deathstar) that NOBODY has the time to take out and go to the test server.
Consequently, the big fights they should in fact be monitoring (most of which happen on reinforced nodes, that we were obligated to notify them of, 24 hours before hand, thus giving ample time to have the monitoring equipment in place, OH WAIT THERES ONLY 3 GUYS CAUSE THE REST OF CCP HAS TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN WALK IN STATIONS) only happen on the live server.
It goes like this:
We pay them to do a job, there are no reverse incentives for us to show up at testing, except the POSSIBILITY of a better game, 18 months from now, which, in actuality we've already paid them for, so its a circular feeding cycle.
We have to take time out of the grind that is A) setting up towers that take ridiculously long times B) posting ops to shoot IHUBS, TCUs, Stations, SBU's, THREE TIMES EACH C) grinding through the MILLIONS (100 million per cycle on some objects) of hit points on said ops D) staring at a black screen for 4 hours, or waiting for your mods to unstick for 4 hours, or waiting for a grid to load for 4 hours.
CCP could freeze sov warfare to encourage people to go to the testing, but the result would be a massive account drop as people got bored, because 0.0 is simply about empire building, and destroying, if you take that out, you lose the player interest.
Tl: DR its not our job to show up to mass testing, we pay for CCP to do this, theres already too much we have to be concerned with on the live server, so that excuse about mass testing can go to hell, and if they were serious, the tests would be happening with more frequency.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:37:00 -
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lw sec was nerfed, 00 has been nered, PI isnt automated, lag is still with us.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
1. From what I understand, they are working on it and running stress tests etc. on SiSi. So you cant claim they dont care.
See, this is a major problem.
Operations in EVE take SO MUCH ****ING TIME (8 hours to set up and arm a deathstar) that NOBODY has the time to take out and go to the test server.
Consequently, the big fights they should in fact be monitoring (most of which happen on reinforced nodes, that we were obligated to notify them of, 24 hours before hand, thus giving ample time to have the monitoring equipment in place, OH WAIT THERES ONLY 3 GUYS CAUSE THE REST OF CCP HAS TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN WALK IN STATIONS) only happen on the live server.
It goes like this:
We pay them to do a job, there are no reverse incentives for us to show up at testing, except the POSSIBILITY of a better game, 18 months from now, which, in actuality we've already paid them for, so its a circular feeding cycle.
We have to take time out of the grind that is A) setting up towers that take ridiculously long times B) posting ops to shoot IHUBS, TCUs, Stations, SBU's, THREE TIMES EACH C) grinding through the MILLIONS (100 million per cycle on some objects) of hit points on said ops D) staring at a black screen for 4 hours, or waiting for your mods to unstick for 4 hours, or waiting for a grid to load for 4 hours.
CCP could freeze sov warfare to encourage people to go to the testing, but the result would be a massive account drop as people got bored, because 0.0 is simply about empire building, and destroying, if you take that out, you lose the player interest.
Tl: DR its not our job to show up to mass testing, we pay for CCP to do this, theres already too much we have to be concerned with on the live server, so that excuse about mass testing can go to hell, and if they were serious, the tests would be happening with more frequency.
The problem has been identified, the cpu load increased with Dominion. The mass testing is exactly that, mass testing. Its either alter the code to decrease the cpu load or get better cpu's. Getting better cpu's is not just a plug and play thing like it is on your home PC, it takes a relatively huge amount of resources to accomplish.
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Jade Kitana
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:31:00 -
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Since when is rage new to these forums? Or even increasing?
I suggest you start at about page 4000 in General Discussion and read for a few hrs.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Luxury Exports
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2010.07.27 23:49:00 -
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I am coming out of my posting torpor to deliver this message:
I was at work the other day and was talking with a customer. I had asked him what kind of experience he had working with computers and he said some, and he reads a lot, plays some games, etc. He mentioned he reads some forum (I don't remember which one) and I asked him if he ever posts. He said "I don't really ever post, I just troll the forums all day long."
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I feel like people misuse the word "troll" when it is in relation to a forum far too often. Either that or they just see it being used all the time and then think it just means "to look through," which in fact is actually lurking.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.07.27 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
4. Critical levels of trolling from cowardly alts while regular posters get admonished.
Yep, I walked into a cluster **** a couple weeks ago when all the alts were posting crap that ticked them off, made a normal average post about the state of the forums and I get a 2 week ban on my main.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.28 00:12:00 -
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What happened with Ankh was funny as hell though... haven't seen her on since 
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2010.07.28 00:13:00 -
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I've realized what it is I am seeing with a lot of the rage being posted.
You see, where I work we have these warehouse managers. All they think about all day is how fast they can get boxes taped. Increasing the amount of boxes taped increases production and one way of increasing production is to throw more people at box taping.
Unfortunatly, because these managers spend the better part of their day thinking about box taping, they think about every problem from a box taping perspective. From that perspective, you can always solve a problem by throwing more people at it.
Now, we've got a problem called lag. Its not box taping. Its a complex problem that cant be fixed by throwing more people at it. However, these same warehouse managers, because they are very successfull in overseeing boxtaping problems and the only perspective they see is their own box taping perspective, they demand more people be thrown at the lag problem.
Afterall, more people works for box taping, why wouldn't it work for lag too? Right?
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.28 00:21:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Olleybear
I've realized what it is I am seeing with a lot of the rage being posted.
You see, where I work we have these warehouse managers. All they think about all day is how fast they can get boxes taped. Increasing the amount of boxes taped increases production and one way of increasing production is to throw more people at box taping.
Unfortunatly, because these managers spend the better part of their day thinking about box taping, they think about every problem from a box taping perspective. From that perspective, you can always solve a problem by throwing more people at it.
Now, we've got a problem called lag. Its not box taping. Its a complex problem that cant be fixed by throwing more people at it. However, these same warehouse managers, because they are very successfull in overseeing boxtaping problems and the only perspective they see is their own box taping perspective, they demand more people be thrown at the lag problem.
Afterall, more people works for box taping, why wouldn't it work for lag too? Right?
It's not a matter of numbers working on the problem, it's a matter of doing it right. Like, when fleets request a node is reinforced, why on earth don't they send someone to observe, and record data from REAL fleet fights, with caps jumping and grid loads on the real server, rather than some arbitrary gate jumping tests they do on SISI.
I do go to the SISI tests to help there too. I wish more people did.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.28 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker
What happened with Ankh was funny as hell though... haven't seen her on since
I guess she won't be able to say she was employed by CCP on her CV anymore 
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Saelie
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Posted - 2010.07.28 00:30:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Olleybear
I've realized what it is I am seeing with a lot of the rage being posted.
You see, where I work we have these warehouse managers. All they think about all day is how fast they can get boxes taped. Increasing the amount of boxes taped increases production and one way of increasing production is to throw more people at box taping.
Unfortunatly, because these managers spend the better part of their day thinking about box taping, they think about every problem from a box taping perspective. From that perspective, you can always solve a problem by throwing more people at it.
Now, we've got a problem called lag. Its not box taping. Its a complex problem that cant be fixed by throwing more people at it. However, these same warehouse managers, because they are very successfull in overseeing boxtaping problems and the only perspective they see is their own box taping perspective, they demand more people be thrown at the lag problem.
Afterall, more people works for box taping, why wouldn't it work for lag too? Right?
It's not a matter of numbers working on the problem, it's a matter of doing it right. Like, when fleets request a node is reinforced, why on earth don't they send someone to observe, and record data from REAL fleet fights, with caps jumping and grid loads on the real server, rather than some arbitrary gate jumping tests they do on SISI.
The reason they can't do that is because they're not running the debug and diagnostic tools on Tranquility. From my understanding, Singularity has several server-side applications, utilities, changes, and fixes that provide far more information and of a better quality than they could get on Tranquility.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:01:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 28/07/2010 01:03:47
Originally by: Saelie
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Olleybear
I've realized what it is I am seeing with a lot of the rage being posted.
You see, where I work we have these warehouse managers. All they think about all day is how fast they can get boxes taped. Increasing the amount of boxes taped increases production and one way of increasing production is to throw more people at box taping.
Unfortunatly, because these managers spend the better part of their day thinking about box taping, they think about every problem from a box taping perspective. From that perspective, you can always solve a problem by throwing more people at it.
Now, we've got a problem called lag. Its not box taping. Its a complex problem that cant be fixed by throwing more people at it. However, these same warehouse managers, because they are very successfull in overseeing boxtaping problems and the only perspective they see is their own box taping perspective, they demand more people be thrown at the lag problem.
Afterall, more people works for box taping, why wouldn't it work for lag too? Right?
It's not a matter of numbers working on the problem, it's a matter of doing it right. Like, when fleets request a node is reinforced, why on earth don't they send someone to observe, and record data from REAL fleet fights, with caps jumping and grid loads on the real server, rather than some arbitrary gate jumping tests they do on SISI.
The reason they can't do that is because they're not running the debug and diagnostic tools on Tranquility. From my understanding, Singularity has several server-side applications, utilities, changes, and fixes that provide far more information and of a better quality than they could get on Tranquility.
SO THE LOGICAL THING TO DO WOULD BE WHAT THEN? 
Also im calling BS on the "better quality", there is no place on earth to get better data than in a real live fleet fight, believing anything else is just silly. If they have the tools on test, get the damn tools on the live server, END OF DISCUSSION.
Nothing about my alt advances or progresses, not his empire, alliance, skillpoints (which get reset on server resets), ect, NONE OF IT MATTERS, I don't pay for the test server, I pay for the live server, and this is where performance sucks hog balls.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Yuki Kulotsuki on 28/07/2010 01:07:02
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Saelie
Originally by: Gladys Pank
It's not a matter of numbers working on the problem, it's a matter of doing it right. Like, when fleets request a node is reinforced, why on earth don't they send someone to observe, and record data from REAL fleet fights, with caps jumping and grid loads on the real server, rather than some arbitrary gate jumping tests they do on SISI.
The reason they can't do that is because they're not running the debug and diagnostic tools on Tranquility. From my understanding, Singularity has several server-side applications, utilities, changes, and fixes that provide far more information and of a better quality than they could get on Tranquility.
SO THE LOGICAL THING TO DO WOULD BE WHAT THEN?
Run a bunch of extra debugging tools that will make lag much much worse on the live server while they're in use? Hopefully said tools will only effect an individual node and not the entire cluster. Perhaps it'd require installing and running a completely different build of the server software that's not optimized to allow debugging symbols to actually work. Would love to see that on tranquility.
Originally by: CCP Lemur
THIS IS GOD: ...
IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Saelie
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:07:00 -
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Yes, because certainly logging every action, diagnosing every transmission, and having all those utilities running in the background tracking the movements of all 40,000 players on Tranquility won't cause lag in and of itself.
The logical action is the one they're doing - Bring the players to the tools, where the tools won't cause the entire server to slow to a crawl.
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Yuda Mann
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:33:00 -
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The rage used to be pretty concentrated within one group of people, then goonswarm disbanded and all teh rage spread out across the universe.
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
It's not a matter of numbers working on the problem...
Like, when fleets request a node is reinforced, why on earth don't they send someone to observe, and record data from REAL fleet fights...
The latest Devblog says they are checking out the live fleet fights. Quote from the devblog below:
Originally by: CCP Zulus' latest devblog
On top of that we have some (space) cowboys running around injecting code into Tranquility live to debug fleet battles and fix exploits
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:38:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Olleybear
I've realized what it is I am seeing with a lot of the rage being posted.
You see, where I work we have these warehouse managers. All they think about all day is how fast they can get boxes taped. Increasing the amount of boxes taped increases production and one way of increasing production is to throw more people at box taping.
Unfortunatly, because these managers spend the better part of their day thinking about box taping, they think about every problem from a box taping perspective. From that perspective, you can always solve a problem by throwing more people at it.
Now, we've got a problem called lag. Its not box taping. Its a complex problem that cant be fixed by throwing more people at it. However, these same warehouse managers, because they are very successfull in overseeing boxtaping problems and the only perspective they see is their own box taping perspective, they demand more people be thrown at the lag problem.
Afterall, more people works for box taping, why wouldn't it work for lag too? Right?
Um, um, what?
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letmeon
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:45:00 -
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I think we are all ignoring the major issues, like, the dramiel and vagabond, they are like the most useless ship ever, DPS, none, speed, meh, tank, none, slots, none
give 1 more high mid and low, more speed, more bonuses and more stuff!!!!!
Also trolling is not on the rise, and gallente need a huge nerf, overpowered already and theyere guns are really strong and they are too fast imo.
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:56:00 -
[43]
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Olleybear
stuff
Um, um, what?
I was trying to show that people have a tendency to only see problems from their own perspective. Their unrealistic solutions are from that narrow perspective.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:59:00 -
[44]
Seriously, I think this is a viable solution for forum anger:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1359890
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Zalafas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.28 04:54:00 -
[45]
Don't they have several people working on fleet lag? Their 'testing automation' group, plus the various people 'injecting debugging code' into Tranquility, etc.
Remember that a lot of software issues can be assigned to a single person to debug and fix (although testing the fix may take more people). So, I would kinda think that having lots of people working on an issue -- over a long period of time -- falls under 'yes, they care about this'.
Not that hordes of people are always useful, but you don't commit lots of resources to something if it doesn't matter.
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mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 05:12:00 -
[46]
There's going to be massive forums rage until:
1: fleet lag get fixed (it's really really bad now if anyone didn't hear :P )
2: Incarna gets released and CCP moves developer resources back to the space part of eve.
On one hand Incarna has been in development for too long, I'm glad they're going full steam ahead with it. On another Eve is looking outdated (need new UI!) and CCP needs resources on the space part of eve more than ever... Oh well, I'll take a leap of faith and trust CCP with what they're doing, but the forums will be a war zone until the dust settles once again
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.07.28 05:15:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Zalafas
Don't they have several people working on fleet lag? Their 'testing automation' group, plus the various people 'injecting debugging code' into Tranquility, etc.
Remember that a lot of software issues can be assigned to a single person to debug and fix (although testing the fix may take more people). So, I would kinda think that having lots of people working on an issue -- over a long period of time -- falls under 'yes, they care about this'.
Not that hordes of people are always useful, but you don't commit lots of resources to something if it doesn't matter.
oh yeah, they are all over it (allegedly) now that they stuck their foots in their mouths and gave credence to a pr crap storm.
as for where the hell they've been the last 8 months, who the hell knows.... ?
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.07.28 05:46:00 -
[48]
Reality Check!
You think CCP are bad?
You think forum trolling is bad??
Bad stuff
Think again my friends.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.07.28 06:05:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 28/07/2010 06:05:55
Originally by: MyMainIsBiomass
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
I dont see CCP messing up. I however see lots of players messing up.
It's all the players fault?!
OMG priceless
Trolling and flaming. Making huge rants about nothing. Yes, thats the players faults. There IS possible to have a good discussion without having to fall into whining!
CCP do mess up now and then, but at least they try to fix it! Some players however grasp whatever they can get on CCP just to start whining, gloating, ranting and trolling. Its a bad habit i tell ya!
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Zalafas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.28 07:20:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Pookie McPook
Reality Check!
You think CCP are bad?
You think forum trolling is bad??
Bad stuff
Think again my friends.
 I played EQ (the original) back when Brad McQuaid was a dev there, and Abashi (forget his real name) was a community rep... You really have no idea how bad it can get. 
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.07.28 08:53:00 -
[51]
RABBLE!
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.28 09:09:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 28/07/2010 09:10:29
Originally by: Gladys Pank
1. Do not care about fleet battles.
How much players do actually engage in huge fleet battles? And how many players would really rather see Incarna and don't care about 0.0 ops at all?
That there's a lot of threads about fleet lag doesn't mean the posters represent the playerbase and also doesn't imply it should be CCP's priority issue. Not saying it shouldn't be fixed but for the average player ist's no game breaking issue.
Originally by: Gladys Pank
2. New expansions content (PI) is boring players.
Well it it deserves the title expansion at all. A mini RTS like clickfest minigame .. "expansion" isn't the first word that comes to mind. When I think expansion I think of new content, ships, systems, missions .. at least something that has some impact on day-to-day gameplay. Not an alternative way to make POS fuel.
Originally by: Gladys Pank
3. Latest CSM minutes and outcomes.
It's definitely clear that CCP hasn't trained their Diplomacy skills.
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.07.28 09:48:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Corozan Aspinall
I think its pretty naive to suppose the CSM has any real input on development tbh. Make of that what you will .. Don't discount the dev blog that clearly defines what CCP is doing and with what resources. That's their call. Not yours or mine or anyone else's.
It is if they want to keep me as a customer. If they think I'm willing to wait 18 months while they waste time with features that nobody wants, needs or asked for while the core game play is totally and utterly broken then they must have lost a few braincells in the last few months.
There was a time when player opinion actually mattered to CCP - now the only thing that matters to them is to bait new players, leech cash from them for a few months and then release a new "dragon fleet" video to bait the next batch of noobs. It's obvious that fixing fleet lag wouldn't be high on their list when it comes to maximizing their income. That's why they have a PR/marketing-dude at the helm now.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.28 10:07:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Average Jack
It is if they want to keep me as a customer. If they think I'm willing to wait 18 months while they waste time with features that nobody wants, needs or asked for while the core game play is totally and utterly broken then they must have lost a few braincells in the last few months.
Who says no-one wants Incarna? There's no polls and CCP doesn't do any surveys but from what I've heard in my (highsec carebear) corp there's a lot more people who want to walk in stations than people who are even interested in fleet lag.
As said before, 0.0 fleet people are just a small minority of EVE players. I don't say fleet lag isn't important but don't say no-one is interested in Incarna.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 10:49:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Intense Thinker
What happened with Ankh was funny as hell though... haven't seen her on since
Whatever else CSM5 achieves or fails, it got Ankh to shut up and is therefore the best CSM ever.
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.28 10:55:00 -
[56]
Up until about early 2009 eve was doing pretty well. Now its going down a slippery slope on a volcano.
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Average Jack
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Posted - 2010.07.28 11:06:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Average Jack on 28/07/2010 11:16:31
Edited by: Average Jack on 28/07/2010 11:13:48
Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Who says no-one wants Incarna? There's no polls and CCP doesn't do any surveys but from what I've heard in my (highsec carebear) corp there's a lot more people who want to walk in stations than people who are even interested in fleet lag.
As said before, 0.0 fleet people are just a small minority of EVE players. I don't say fleet lag isn't important but don't say no-one is interested in Incarna.
People that started playing EVE in the past didn't start playing because of some vapour ware that CCP's been talking about for the past 3 years (Incarna). They also don't join because of the 10 imbecilic, repetitive and boring crap missions to go shoot red icons all day (at least not initially). They join because of "epic fleet battles" and/or good player crafting system.
These are the only things that EVE does better then any other game (at least in theory) and are what attract new players. Not repetitive empire carebearing - epic, large scale battles and that's exactly what CCP broke.
Just look at CCP propaganda videos. Do they ever feature "you can login to Irjunen and go run the same 10 missions for a year"? Or do they rather feature "Dragon Fleet" style action?
If the latter then CCP is guilty of lying to their future customers by implying that the game offers large scale PVP when it actually only supports 100 people in a system without becoming unplayable.
Edit:
You are right of course. It's not "no-one" who is interested. It's just the loyal long-term customers that have payed CCP many thousand of dollars in the past year that are not interested (and are now being shafted to try and attract new empire bears that will quit once they realize just how crap EVE PVE really is).
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motomysz
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 11:11:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I am coming out of my posting torpor to deliver this message:
I was at work the other day and was talking with a customer. I had asked him what kind of experience he had working with computers and he said some, and he reads a lot, plays some games, etc. He mentioned he reads some forum (I don't remember which one) and I asked him if he ever posts. He said "I don't really ever post, I just troll the forums all day long."
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I feel like people misuse the word "troll" when it is in relation to a forum far too often. Either that or they just see it being used all the time and then think it just means "to look through," which in fact is actually lurking.
Maybe he meant trawl?
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Tuscun Nebular
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Posted - 2010.07.28 11:21:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Tuscun Nebular on 28/07/2010 11:23:18
HEY! Has any of you guys ever gone ice fishing in Iceland? Well let me thell you, It's fkng EXHILARATING! (Harold and Kumar movie) Now STHU, STAND BACK! and let CCP do thier job! (Right after they get back from ice fishing!)
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Mr M
1st Republic Army
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Posted - 2010.07.28 11:42:00 -
[60]
It's a whining stampede
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Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:20:00 -
[61]
5. Herd-mentality. It's how fashions/bandwagons start.
Aside from the fact that anyone saying something positive will be considered an 'uncool' internet spaceship game player fanboi/ette, it's SO much easier to write a whinepost and look cool/smart/ironic :)
Perhaps genuine issues are on the rise ? Chances are though that even if they are, they gonna be swamped and amplified by sheep though. Would expect no less from a player demographic like Eve's.
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All generalisations are false - Discuss.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:21:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Zalafas
I played EQ (the original) back when Brad McQuaid was a dev there, and Abashi (forget his real name) was a community rep... You really have no idea how bad it can get.
Thats a good point. but I think in EVE many players came here and stayed for so long because EVE was run so much better than other games, for so long.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Learol
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:30:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Learol on 28/07/2010 12:32:02
If only CCP would stop balancing fun in their risk-vs-reward equations :P
*edit - [then again, having people mine because it's fun would probably crash the economy...]
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ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:34:00 -
[64]
absoulutly agree with the op. the players are bored and angry people and should be replaced as soon as possible. they are hurting the game experience. |
Ay'a
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:39:00 -
[65]
CCP you have just got to listen, the current safe level of trolls is 83% we just tested your forums and the level is infact 99% if one more troll trolls on the forum we are looking at a catosphoric chain reaction
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knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:56:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Who says no-one wants Incarna? There's no polls and CCP doesn't do any surveys but from what I've heard in my (highsec carebear) corp there's a lot more people who want to walk in stations than people who are even interested in fleet lag.
As said before, 0.0 fleet people are just a small minority of EVE players. I don't say fleet lag isn't important but don't say no-one is interested in Incarna.
I think you miss the point with this:
Walking in stations = new feature, no added practical purpose to the game (personally I'd rather see visual ship customisation) other than a few feature.
Fleet fights = long standing feature of PVP, plays a part in soveriegnty etc which does have several knock on effects that directly affect high sec. Also a feature of FW which although not integral to anything, lets not further break an already broken feature that could be quite good.
I don't even take part in fleet fights and I can see lag should be fixed as a priority and all broken features should be fixed before adding any others. As a carebare, don't you care that some Epic mission arcs are still broken?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.28 13:36:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Average Jack
Originally by: Corozan Aspinall
I think its pretty naive to suppose the CSM has any real input on development tbh. Make of that what you will .. Don't discount the dev blog that clearly defines what CCP is doing and with what resources. That's their call. Not yours or mine or anyone else's.
It is if they want to keep me as a customer. If they think I'm willing to wait 18 months while they waste time with features that nobody wants, needs or asked for while the core game play is totally and utterly broken then they must have lost a few braincells in the last few months.
There was a time when player opinion actually mattered to CCP - now the only thing that matters to them is to bait new players, leech cash from them for a few months and then release a new "dragon fleet" video to bait the next batch of noobs. It's obvious that fixing fleet lag wouldn't be high on their list when it comes to maximizing their income. That's why they have a PR/marketing-dude at the helm now.
Its obvious that you dont read up on the issues that you complain about, therefore I hope you do leave, and no I do not want your stuff.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.07.28 13:45:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Gladys Pank
I think its a clear sign CCP are making a mess of things at the moment.
Or a clear sign that helpful people* like you are putting out the fire with gasoline.
Even without stirring the pot yourself, using your personal 'feeling' for just how angry, sorry, how ANGRY the eternal forum ranters seem in any given week as a metric of general player satisfaction is one of the most idiotic ideas I've ever seen here (and in this forum that's really saying something.)
*Forum censorship rules won't let me say what I actually mean, so feel free to translate "helpful people" for yourself.
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Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.07.28 13:57:00 -
[69]
People are obviously more upset than usual with CCP even though all CCP has done recently is tow their usual line more blatantly. I think you're mostly seeing older players finally get fed up with things, and new-ish players coming to that sad realization that so many bittervets already have.
Fleet lag is only one area where CCP can say they're actually doing something to try to fix it, although even on that front things have gotten worse which directly ****es off the people who try to play with it. On every other front, things are the same old garbage. CCP will probably never change. Things may simmer after the most vocal people quit and the rest stop bothering to hope.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.28 14:24:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Gladys Pank
I think its a clear sign CCP are making a mess of things at the moment.
Or a clear sign that helpful people* like you are putting out the fire with gasoline.
Even without stirring the pot yourself, using your personal 'feeling' for just how angry, sorry, how ANGRY the eternal forum ranters seem in any given week as a metric of general player satisfaction is one of the most idiotic ideas I've ever seen here (and in this forum that's really saying something.)
*Forum censorship rules won't let me say what I actually mean, so feel free to translate "helpful people" for yourself.
I was making an observation with no personal twist. The op is decidedly neutral in fact.
You can include Zymurgist in that list of 'helpful people' as you state. Let me know what you think the responses to this thread suggest?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.28 14:27:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Cipher Jones
It is if they want to keep me as a customer. If they think I'm willing to wait 18 months while they waste time with features that nobody wants, needs or asked for while the core game play is totally and utterly broken then they must have lost a few braincells in the last few months.
There was a time when player opinion actually mattered to CCP - now the only thing that matters to them is to bait new players, leech cash from them for a few months and then release a new "dragon fleet" video to bait the next batch of noobs. It's obvious that fixing fleet lag wouldn't be high on their list when it comes to maximizing their income. That's why they have a PR/marketing-dude at the helm now.
Its obvious that you dont read up on the issues that you complain about, therefore I hope you do leave, and no I do not want your stuff.
However I will be happy to have your stuff.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:05:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Which by the way has over 2400 unique posters.
ooOOoo, you sure can't argue when less than 0.8% of the population speaks!
I've been here for years and one constant over those years has been that people micturate and moan on the forums. Always. Always have. Always will. New problems appear, people wail that Eve is DYING!, that CCP are stoopid/evil/scared/greedy/cannibals/whatever and then the problems get resolved allowing that segment of forum denizens to move on to EVE IS DYING/CCP IS CTHULU because of the next problem-of-the-month.
If, for some twisted reason you just need to know whether other people are angry so you can decide how you should feel then pay attention to subscription numbers, pay attention to player counts but don't pay too much attention to the less than one percent who pull down their pants and "submit" a rantpost on the forum.
None of which, of course, justifies narcissistic rabble rousing posts about "Everyone else is angry! You should be angry too!" I'm not angry. I enjoy the game. I look back at the spittle flecked rants from last year and the year before and the year before that and the year before that... and I laugh at "forum ANGER" trolling from anti-Cassandras like you.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:16:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Which by the way has over 2400 unique posters.
ooOOoo, you sure can't argue when less than 0.8% of the population speaks!
I've been here for years and one constant over those years has been that people micturate and moan on the forums. Always. Always have. Always will. New problems appear, people wail that Eve is DYING!, that CCP are stoopid/evil/scared/greedy/cannibals/whatever and then the problems get resolved allowing that segment of forum denizens to move on to EVE IS DYING/CCP IS CTHULU because of the next problem-of-the-month.
If, for some twisted reason you just need to know whether other people are angry so you can decide how you should feel then pay attention to subscription numbers, pay attention to player counts but don't pay too much attention to the less than one percent who pull down their pants and "submit" a rantpost on the forum.
None of which, of course, justifies narcissistic rabble rousing posts about "Everyone else is angry! You should be angry too!" I'm not angry. I enjoy the game. I look back at the spittle flecked rants from last year and the year before and the year before that and the year before that... and I laugh at "forum ANGER" trolling from anti-Cassandras like you.
You seem angry. I never asked how to feel and I certainly don't presume to tell others to be angry about anything. I was just observing and trying to collate information. There are plenty of people that don't voice their interests on the forums but that does not mean you should dismiss those that do speak out.
Thank you for not being able to be subjective on the original topic. Resorting to calling people trolls and anti-cassandras (lol).
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Trauli
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:36:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Trauli on 28/07/2010 15:43:27
Sup high-sec bears. I have a very imporant *ANNOUCEMENT* to make.
If you think you have an opinion that matters, you are wrong. You are not part what has driven EvE to be what is today.
If you want an example to know why this is take a look at every single trailer the CCP marketing department has put out to date.
Is it of people shooting NPCs in missions? No.
Is it of people mining? Nope.
Is is of people doing things with POS? Again, it is not.
Why not? BECAUSE THESE ACTIVITIES ARE BORING AS SIN AND NOBODY THAT IS NOT COMPLETELY ******ED IN RL (<- THATS YOU BTW) CHOOSES TO PLAY THE GAME BECAUSE OF THEM.
The fact is what drives people to EvE is the potential for pvp in a single persistant universe and all the fasinating player politics that goes with it. So while your missions may still be working as normal, anyone who partipates in the only part of the game that is truely interesting knows that their game is currently banjaxed.
So what you gonna say about that huh.
This brings an end to my *ANNOUNCEMENT*
Thanks.
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Squat Hardpeck
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:37:00 -
[75]
I just think its summer and the kids have nothing better to do than whine. They see some Dev Blog or CSM Meeting Minutes and the sky is falling, farmers are killing their cattle, and the apocalypse is coming.
People need to chill the **** out.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:46:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Gladys Pank
You seem angry.
Yeah and apparently so do the other forum posters, but I'm not. I'd suggest that everyone seeming angry to you has more to do with you than with everyone else.
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Thank you for not being able to be subjective on the original topic. Resorting to calling people trolls and anti-cassandras (lol).
Not being able to be subjective? I don't think that word means what you think it means. I was completely subjective, my entire post from "I've been here..." through "I look back..." to the ultimate "I laugh at you" is an exercise in subjective analysis.
As to trolls and anti-Cassandra, if the shoe fits Gladys...
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:51:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Trauli
Why not? BECAUSE THESE ACTIVITIES ARE BORING AS SIN AND NOBODY THAT IS NOT COMPLETELY ******ED IN RL (<- THATS YOU BTW) CHOOSES TO PLAY THE GAME BECAUSE OF THEM.
The fact is what drives people to EvE is the potential for pvp in a single persistant universe
Translation: Everyone should like what I like otherwise there is something wrong with them (and so screw them!)
Is Trauli pronounced "Troll-y"?
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Saelie
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:55:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Trauli
Nerd rage
Be glad there are bears, mister big bad PvPer. Without bears, you wouldn't have any meta, T2, faction, or officer mods (Since bears farm and invent them), any T2 or T3 ships (Bears invent them), any ships at all even (Bears build them and mine the resources for them), no ammo (Bears build it), and hardly enough money to buy even T1 weapons for your rookie ship (Since bears make that ISK; not that you'd have any ammo for them anyway). You would have no null-sec, since you'd have no POS's (Bears build and fuel them) or any system sov (Bears build, transport, and deploy the sov-related modules).
In that sense, the opinion of the high-sec bears and their first cousins, the null-sec bears hiding under sov, are just as if not more important to this game than you are, making their opinions equally valid if not more.
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Trauli
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:00:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Is Trauli pronounced "Troll-y"?
Yes
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Madorik
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:27:00 -
[80]
Some of you mention trolling, and i read that word quite often on those forums, most of the time when people post their opinion.
I didn't know what trolling was so i checked on wiki and in the forum rules.
"Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums."
Angering, insulting and disruptive. Yet the word trolling is very commonly used as a reply to denounce the OP because he simply shares his opinions. By claiming the OP is trolling most people violate these rules :
4.Be respectful of others at all times.
20.Post constructively.
24.Off-topic posting is not allowed.
Instead of simply ignoring a post that you don't agree with, people prefer to bash, which leads to unnecessary conflicts.
The maturity level on the forums is quite low when you look a the average age of the players.
My advice, spend less time on the forums, don't reply to posts you don't agree with, or reply politely with arguments.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.28 18:04:00 -
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so its not so much trolling as the natural result of a bunch of oversensitive attention *****s appearing all in one place at the same time?
Who'da thunk it.
Seriously though the problem i have with the EVE NEEDS TO BE FIXED NAO!! crowd is that while they do have genuine points its getting submerged in a wave of vitriol, sarcasm and pointless forum anger. Ok, we get that you're angry and people have made well reasoned and informative posts laying out why but do you have to **** up the forums by vomiting pointless crap into every thread that even breathes CCPs name.
It certainly doesnt make me think about the valid points some of you have made, more like 'god the self absorbed manchildren wont shut up again'.
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Kidain
Gallente
Rule of Five
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:26:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Trauli
Edited by: Trauli on 28/07/2010 15:43:27
Sup high-sec bears. I have a very imporant *ANNOUCEMENT* to make.
The fact is what drives people to EvE is the potential for pvp in a single persistant universe and all the fasinating player politics that goes with it. So while your missions may still be working as normal, anyone who partipates in the only part of the game that is truely interesting knows that their game is currently banjaxed.
So what you gonna say about that huh.
That you are a self centre, egotistical ****, born from the same "I want it NOW!" set of bratish kids that plague modern society as we know it?
Grow up all and stop throwing your toys out of the pram. If not **** off and go and play somewhere else.
You must still love the game because you are whining about it. Which means you want to stay in your heart of hearts, but you also want them to pander to your whims because your teacher/mum/dad/police/society does just that eh?
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Originally by: Darek Castigatus
...while they do have genuine points its getting submerged in a wave of vitriol, sarcasm and pointless forum anger....
I have considered making a thoroughly researched "state of eve, as various players see it" thread pointing CCP to (obviously from my opinion) worthy posts that make genuinely useful suggestions. And I want to be clear here, not just ones that support my personal interests, my overall interest is seeing Eve succeed in every area it currently exists and wishes to expand (so epic battles AND Incarna for two obvious examples).
The work that would have to go into it though is quite scary. Instead I hoped to appeal to people that are informed on the issues and are well read. Understandably not everyone has the time to be informed on salient points and worthy ideas. I hoped to collate these but backtracking and linking them all is just too much; for now...
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