Originally by: Earthan

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No im not, mostly a megathron pilot with blasters or with some special,secret setups:).

I also used to fly inties a bit.

But it really deosnt matter.I have taken part in reallyy alot of battles, heard thousands of stories, and my statement is one: bs battles time is a joke , the most fun part of the game ,the one that should be epic and long and allow thinking is mostly over before you can feel the fun of it.

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Originally by: Earthan

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But it really deosnt matter.I have taken part in reallyy alot of battles, heard thousands of stories, and my statement is one: bs battles time is a joke

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Originally by: Orb Lati

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No to this proposed change.
I wont go into the race discrepancies which already have been argued.

But i feel that this suggested change to HPs of ships will seriously gimp cooridinated wolf pack fleets.
Last year all the changes that were made were in order to bring combined ship opperations into play. making the smaller ships like frigates more survivable and giving organised groups the oppertunity to use alot of smaller ships to take on the larger ships.
With this propertional changer however any sort of op now will need to be 2x as large inorder to take down the larger classes of ships.

All that this change will bring about is the mentality again that if your not in a BS yourself you have no chance of any sort of effective offense against other Battleships.

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Originally by: OnDa Rag

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DEFFINITELY NO

Why add HP to ships (which will create a whole bunch of other balance problems) when ya can fix it by tweaking some other settings. Personally I feel that if a person trained a skill to deal uber damage to kill a ship quickly, then they should. But I'd rather have damaged tweaked then HP's increased so . . .

Here is what I see:

HP increase is proposed to extend battle times.

This is cuz some of us (those w/out gimped ships/wepons) can deal uber damage quickly. And this is cuz we have skills and mods which have allowed us to deal a certain amount of damage. And the damage is high enough to make the current Ship HP's unacceptable. Thus, as weapon strength increases then ship HP relatively become weaker. And the oppisite holds true to: Strenghtening ships makes weapons weaker. So why not just tweak weapons.

The current problem is that people can deal too much damage with weapons dishing out more than what was expected. So why dont ya set a limit to the max damage a particular weapon type can dish out. The bonuses increase the chances of getting closer to that max damage level but in the end that damage has a cap that cannot be surpassed.

Thus each weapon has a max damage it can deal. The probibility of getting to that damage level is increased by skills, ship bonuses, and mods. The higher skill = greater chance to inflict max possible damage.

Still think that wont help? Then increase shield, armour, and hull resistances. Otherwise place the nerf where the problem is . . . in the weapon's damage capabilities.

My 2isk
OnDa

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Originally by: Orb Lati

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No to this proposed change.
I wont go into the race discrepancies which already have been argued.

But i feel that this suggested change to HPs of ships will seriously gimp cooridinated wolf pack fleets.
Last year all the changes that were made were in order to bring combined ship opperations into play. making the smaller ships like frigates more survivable and giving organised groups the oppertunity to use alot of smaller ships to take on the larger ships.
With this propertional changer however any sort of op now will need to be 2x as large inorder to take down the larger classes of ships.

All that this change will bring about is the mentality again that if your not in a BS yourself you have no chance of any sort of effective offense against other Battleships.

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I really think you need to consider the fact that these changes affect the smaller vessels as well.... vastly reducing the change that a smaller vessel will die to the first volley from a larger ship. Then the smaller vessel warps to break lock, repairs, and is able to come back to the fight. True "wolf pack" tactics.
This is far preferable to them getting waxed before they have the slightest chance to disengage... as is all to often the case now.

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Originally by: Gian Bal

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Originally by: OnDa Rag

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The current problem is that people can deal too much damage with weapons dishing out more than what was expected. So why dont ya set a limit to the max damage a particular weapon type can dish out. The bonuses increase the chances of getting closer to that max damage level but in the end that damage has a cap that cannot be surpassed.

Thus each weapon has a max damage it can deal. The probibility of getting to that damage level is increased by skills, ship bonuses, and mods. The higher skill = greater chance to inflict max possible damage.

Still think that wont help? Then increase shield, armour, and hull resistances. Otherwise place the nerf where the problem is . . . in the weapon's damage capabilities.

My 2isk
OnDa

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pls do NOT tweak howis dmg. when my 1of10 hit with 350 is reduced to 175, omg....

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Originally by: Earthan

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But it really deosnt matter.I have taken part in reallyy alot of battles, heard thousands of stories, and my statement is one: bs battles time is a joke

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I've been in hours-long fleet battles. That's a joke?

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 22/01/2005 18:24:13
50+ BS involved, constant combat BATTLES.

The most recent one I was involved in was against TPS/FE, but I also fought quite a few versus the NSA and before that the PA.

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Originally by: Percivs

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Originally by: Gian Bal

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Originally by: OnDa Rag

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The current problem is that people can deal too much damage with weapons dishing out more than what was expected. So why dont ya set a limit to the max damage a particular weapon type can dish out. The bonuses increase the chances of getting closer to that max damage level but in the end that damage has a cap that cannot be surpassed.

Thus each weapon has a max damage it can deal. The probibility of getting to that damage level is increased by skills, ship bonuses, and mods. The higher skill = greater chance to inflict max possible damage.

Still think that wont help? Then increase shield, armour, and hull resistances. Otherwise place the nerf where the problem is . . . in the weapon's damage capabilities.

My 2isk
OnDa

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pls do NOT tweak howis dmg. when my 1of10 hit with 350 is reduced to 175, omg....

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Precisely what has been espoused in the previous 25 pages, at great length. A HP increase is in fact a weapon damage nerf, and with some weapons so clearly imbalanced already, the HP changes will make it only more difficult to balance the weapons as all of the current data gathered to balance those weapons will now have to be refigured. New graphs, more "observation", new discussion.

6-12 months later, we may recover from the HP adjustment. There is no doubt in my mind that something this far reaching will affect my enjoyment of this game. And I doubt for the better.

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