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gallaoth
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Posted - 2010.07.30 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: gallaoth on 30/07/2010 21:51:05
threw the game you have faction ships for frigates, cruisers and battleships, so my question or idea is that maybe give us other T2 battle-cruiser (T2 Hurricane, Drake, Myrmidon, Harbinger) or if that isn't a possibility, give each pirate faction a faction battle cruiser as I think they need some loving.
please reply
thanks gallaoth
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Raithius
Caldari
Unknown-Entity
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.30 22:02:00 -
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Second this...
I WANT A THUKKER HURRICANE NAOW CCP!!! 
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beh iettmi
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Posted - 2010.07.31 00:25:00 -
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Drake with heavy drones?.. BRING IT! 
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2010.07.31 00:52:00 -
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I think I'll pass. I see enough horribly overpowered faction ships dominating the field... I'd hate to see my Hurricane become as outmatched and outdated as my interceptor/wolf (compared to the Dramiel).
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Alexandros Magnos
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.31 01:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Rhadia
I think I'll pass. I see enough horribly overpowered faction ships dominating the field... I'd hate to see my Hurricane become as outmatched and outdated as my interceptor/wolf (compared to the Dramiel).
The man has a point. I was thinking this was a good idea until I realized that I'd have to spend absurd amounts of isk to do what I used to do in my 'cane.
I love my 'canes. Hurricane, walking cane, and of course any liquor made from cane sugar.
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2010.07.31 01:51:00 -
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Like I've said before about faction ships. I've trained long to do what I can do, flying TII ships that serve a very specific role in the field. And now I've watched my ability stripped away by faction ships that can do better than TII, as well as do more. Dramiel is my usual example... I'm kind of curious what the devs were thinking would happen when they made a ship that is faster than the fastest Matar Interceptor, gave it the firepower of the Matar Assault Ships, and then packed in a nice little drone bay with a healthy amount of slots to boot.
I don't want to see any more of that, and I know hundreds of people who jumped on the opportunity to fly faction would whine until our ears bleed if we took away their shiny overpowered ships.
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beh iettmi
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Posted - 2010.07.31 02:29:00 -
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 although it saddens me, once my childish enthusiasm for the idea has passed. Pirate ships are a mixed of two races and as such should be a compromise of both.
I'd still like to see faction bc's and destroyers but as a variation not some over powered killing machines.
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Raithius
Caldari
Unknown-Entity
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.31 04:36:00 -
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I hate Drams, thers just no way to kill them unless the guy flyin it is a ******.
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gallaoth
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Posted - 2010.08.03 12:29:00 -
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Well as I said in this topic T2 of the hurricane wouldnt be that hard to do and for the rest of the bc's as it doesn't have to be faction but I just wanted more ships in the game that isn't capital or mining / planetary orientated. just for some more versatility.
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Illadelph Justice
The Six-Pack Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.03 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Raithius
Second this...
I WANT A THUKKER HURRICANE NAOW CCP!!!
/signed with gusto
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Timathai
Minmatar
Populist Manufacturing and Exploration
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Posted - 2010.08.03 18:31:00 -
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I want faction dessies, BC, and a few more faction frigates. I want every single ship in the game made available to the player base in some manner.
First though, I want CCP to fix existing mechanics. Stop asking for more flash and shine, and start asking for some meat on the bone, instead of just getting a pile of bones, you dig me?
The DRAM is straight broken, either make it as hard to get as a Mach, or fix it, please. If it cost 500 million or more per ship, I'd be all for the Dram being as powerful as it is. There are also a lot of other issues that need a good looking at. can we start bugging CCP about those before we start asking for more shiny stuff?
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Illadelph Justice
The Six-Pack Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.03 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Timathai
you dig me?
i dig you
Originally by: Timathai
The DRAM is straight broken
except that part
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.08.03 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: gallaoth
...or if that isn't a possibility, give each pirate faction a faction battle cruiser as I think they need some loving...
Dramiel's, Daredevil's, Cynabal's, Machariel's, Vindicator's, Gila's, Bhaalgorn's .. ad nauseum.
Yea, they could definitely use some loving, must be such a lonely life at the top of the food chain.
Faction BC's would surpass tier1 BS in pretty much all aspects except weapons range .. do you really want 100+k EHP, 900+dps, half BS signature ships running around?
Thanks but no thanks. I was lobbying for them 18 months ago or so, but when faction hulls got their revamp CCP eliminated any hope of BCs ever getting made .. simply not room in between tier2 BCs and tier1 BS.
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Shin Dari
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Posted - 2010.08.03 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Faction BC's would surpass tier1 BS in pretty much all aspects except weapons range .. do you really want 100+k EHP, 900+dps, half BS signature ships running around?
Yes
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paritybit
Moira.
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.08.03 20:59:00 -
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More ships and more variety is a good thing. Maybe we could get off the train of faction ships being superpowered compared to their T1 and T2 counterparts.
But in order to get off this train, I think we have to use factions more tightly bound to the empire factions (Mordu's Legion, Sisters of Eve, Thukkers, Ammatar Mandate) with the theory being pirate faction ships are superpowered because they are hard to obtain and therefore expensive. It would be much easier to earn a ship from a non-criminal source.
Once we're off the train, faction Battlecruisers become a more realistic possibility.
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2010.08.03 21:14:00 -
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Just... No.
Make more tech II ships maybe, but the cost and supposed "rarity" of faction ships hardly means anything at all. I hardly ever see interceptors or assault frigates anymore. Now it's nothing but gangs of dramiels. So please... bring back the functionality of the TII ships that were made obsolete by faction ships.
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Timathai
Minmatar
Populist Manufacturing and Exploration
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Posted - 2010.08.07 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Timathai on 07/08/2010 17:23:27
Originally by: Rhadia
Make more tech II ships maybe, but the cost and supposed "rarity" of faction ships hardly means anything at all. I hardly ever see interceptors or assault frigates anymore. Now it's nothing but gangs of dramiels. So please... bring back the functionality of the TII ships that were made obsolete by faction ships.
I really support this. When a single ship all but removes the effective functionality of two entire classes of ships,(assualt frigs and interceptors) and in the same breath can be said to have a higher survivability due to the types of features it has that set it apart from all other ships of it's type,(meaning faction ships) there is a balance issue.
The last time a ship had this much superiority in the field was the old style vagabonds, prior to an entire change in the mechanics of nanofiber mods. And the reason behind that change was the glaring superiority of the nano gangs.
Nerf the Dramiel! And can we have two full expansions dedicated to existing issues such as this? Blanace(ermmm, I meant Balance,I dont know what THAT was) mechanics issues, and otherwise making for smoother, streamlined gameplay? More meat on the bone?
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.08.07 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: paritybit
...Once we're off the train, faction Battlecruisers become a more realistic possibility.
Yeah, that is the length we'd have to go to in order for BCs to fit in. Problem with that is the nerf of all current navy ships that would be required and a look at just how hard/easy pirate ships actually are to acquire.
I am loathe to nuke a ton of generally good and fun ships just so a fat-ass BC can get in .. perhaps that is just me though 
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2010.08.07 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Raithius
I hate Drams, thers just no way to kill them unless the guy flyin it is a ******.
2x webs
Dramiel POP.
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Rhadia
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Posted - 2010.08.07 21:38:00 -
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Yeah, well we'll see how well those two webs keep a dramiel from getting back to a gate or escaping your web range in 1.8 seconds due to it's ridiculous speed.
Unless, of course you're using... OH ****, NO WAY? another ridiculously overpowered faction ship with dual 90% webs. And even then it's unlikely you'll lock it fast enough.
The problem with the dramiel is it's extremely low mass. This allows it to accelerate to speeds far out of reach of even the fastest ships in the game.
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paritybit
Moira.
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.08.08 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: paritybit
...Once we're off the train, faction Battlecruisers become a more realistic possibility.
I am loathe to nuke a ton of generally good and fun ships just so a fat-ass BC can get in .. perhaps that is just me though
But you missed my point; I didn't suggest changing the faction ships we have, I suggested adding faction ships from a different faction with a completely different line of thinking when adding them.
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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2010.08.08 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Timathai
Edited by: Timathai on 07/08/2010 17:23:27
Originally by: Rhadia
Nerf the Dramiel! And can we have two full expansions dedicated to existing issues such as this? Blanace(ermmm, I meant Balance,I dont know what THAT was) mechanics issues, and otherwise making for smoother, streamlined gameplay? More meat on the bone?
CCP please do
"Drake... A drooling monkey could pilot it." -MoeJoe Green
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.08.08 09:12:00 -
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I vote against. Tier 2 BC's already are close to overshadowing HAC's and stepping on BS toes while obsoleting tier 1 BC's, and the field CS already has a tough time finding a niche. I'd say nerf tier 2 BC first, and then look into making an upgrade.
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Timathai
Minmatar
Populist Manufacturing and Exploration
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Posted - 2010.08.08 11:32:00 -
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Nerf T2 BC's?? Are you kidding me? The skill investment ALONE makes them worthy of their power. I say if they are going to make a faction BC, make it on par with the other ships in the game, not more powa- just different powa.
We already see that ccp will always pick a ship and make it grossly overpowered compared to others in it's class(DRAMIEL) so yes we will have some one uber bad mother(shut yo mouth)to look forawrd to if they implement this, but there is nothing saying that the current T2 BC's are overpowered. I think they should be the water mark, and any faction BC that comes in should be between a typical BC and the T2 version
Give a man a fish, and he has one good meal. Teach a man to fish and he has a way to **** off his wife every Sunday. |
gallaoth
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Posted - 2010.08.11 12:46:00 -
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maybe not pirate faction bcs but navy issue ?
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.08.11 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Timathai
Nerf T2 BC's?? Are you kidding me? The skill investment ALONE makes them worthy of their power. I say if they are going to make a faction BC, make it on par with the other ships in the game, not more powa- just different powa.
We already see that ccp will always pick a ship and make it grossly overpowered compared to others in it's class(DRAMIEL) so yes we will have some one uber bad mother(shut yo mouth)to look forawrd to if they implement this, but there is nothing saying that the current T2 BC's are overpowered. I think they should be the water mark, and any faction BC that comes in should be between a typical BC and the T2 version
Tier 2, Harbringer, Drake, Hurricane, Myrmidon. T2 should have a bit of limelight returned when tier 2 is in a more proper place. I'd never dream of suggesting a nerf to t2 bc's.
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