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CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.03 11:59:00 - [1] Tranquility downtime will be extended today due to an issue with the database. We are currently investigating the problem and will provide more information as it becomes available. Currently there is no eta on the downtime but as soon as one is available we will update this thread. Update 12.13 UTCTranquility downtime is extended to 13:00 UTC. We are still investigating problems with the database and hope to have an update for you soon. Update 12.26 UTC Tranquility is now up and accepting connections. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

3rr0rc0d3 Amarr Red Federation	Posted - 2010.08.03 11:59:00 - [2] Edited by: 3rr0rc0d3 on 03/08/2010 12:02:04 Tuxford? /edit: Nice, in before the spam and whining. ______________________ CCP: Inspired by Iceland.
Kerdrak Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.03 11:59:00 - [3] Someone accidentally the entire database? ________________________________________
Khors Amtek Inc	Posted - 2010.08.03 11:59:00 - [4] ugh..
Jordan Musgrat H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:00:00 - [5] You guys have got to realize that these database problems don't just randomly happen right? There may be something like..... wrong? ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
bassie12bf1	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:00:00 - [6] Redesign your database perhaps. So many issues with it.
Kedan Denning	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:00:00 - [7] Yet another database issue? Bloomin' 'eck!
flakeys DRAMA Inc	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:00:00 - [8] Whenever i see the word 'soon' i get panic atttacs.
Profane Deception Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Kedan Denning Yet another database issue? Bloomin' 'eck! ^ This i mean WTF
hammack unt	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:01:00 - [10] Didn't wanna fly my shiny new Golem anyway..

Riley Moore Sentinum Research	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:01:00 - [11] Originally by: bassie12bf1 Redesign your database perhaps. So many issues with it. They should switch to a proper DB type. ------- Sentinum Research Blueprints Store
Isis Dea Minmatar Aura of Darkness Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:01:00 - [12] Eris accidently stepped on the hamster... As the assembly line of hamsters was undergoing repair... A fluffy pink sad day it is... ___ DUST 514 - CCP's First Person Shooter: It needs your input!
Hack Harrison Caldari	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:02:00 - [13] I didn't even get to dock - I was approaching a station in low sec trying to dock... Luckily I got my drones back in... Surely someone has reviewed the database execution plans after last time... So what was it THIS time???
JohnnyG77	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:03:00 - [14] Quote: Currently there is no eta on the downtime but as soon as one is available we will update this thread. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you said 'see you in 20 minutes' on the notification in-game...
Elowine Caldari FP Enterprise	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:03:00 - [15] EVE should run its database at google docs Check out my EVE music project
Spurty Caldari D00M. Excessum Messor	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:03:00 - [16] so those rats shooting at me got the "Server is down" message too correct?
Leonard Delmordaine	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:03:00 - [17] oh noes this is what we have to look forward to for the next 18 months... WoT anyone? CCP you guys get the drift yet fix the game... not more ****ty expansions!
Turanga LeeIa	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:04:00 - [18] Again???
Neddy Fox Gallente FireStar Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:04:00 - [19] Next time give us a f.. 3 mins warning.
Veilag	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:04:00 - [20] For gods sake, abandon all thoughts of any new content until you get the existing problems which have been going on for months, sorted.

WeaponOmega	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:04:00 - [21] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1360067&page=53 Answer us.
TriadSte Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:04:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Navigator Tranquility downtime will be extended today due to an issue with the database. We are currently investigating the problem and will provide more information as it becomes available. Currently there is no eta on the downtime but as soon as one is available we will update this thread. Update 12.13 UTCTranquility downtime is extended to 13:00 UTC. We are still investigating problems with the database and hope to have an update for you soon. Update 12.26 UTC Tranquility is now up and accepting connections. You sir lie. The DT wasn't extended at all as I got online and flew 10 jumps to jita to sell some goods and I flew the 10 jumps back. What has happened is yet AGAIN another unexpected/emergency downtime. Not an extended downtime as you state. :)
Astaria Pyreto Minmatar Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:05:00 - [23] Now would be the ideal time to vote for every game but EVE in the European Games Contest thing. ___________________________________
Poo Ka'hontas Red Eye Industrial	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:06:00 - [24] Haha.. i got to say this will not be the year CCP looks back at and smile Good thing SCII is out.. It is nice to play a game where the developers now what they are doing and actually listens to the fan-base when "patching-up". God i wish Blizzard would by EVE Originally by: CCP Fallout No. CCP Shadow should behave the same way forums do during downtime. Up, but maybe a little slow.
Nathan Jameson	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:06:00 - [25] I do have to kind of wonder what the recurring issue(s) are with the database. Although the problems aren't usually lengthy, they do resurface on a regular basis.
Kyan IV	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:06:00 - [26] mabee next time it would be a good idea to keep the server down for the full 1 hour and make sure the database was working, instead of putting it up early and giving us 40 seconds notice, when it drops again
Bucky O'Hair Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Kedan Denning Yet another database issue? Bloomin' 'eck! Okay guys, you don't actually think database issues really mean there is something wrong with the database, do you? It's what they say when the hamsters go all wonky and stuff, and they don't know how to get them back into their little wheels. Good luck CCP Bucky O'Hair "If it flys it dies!"
Profane Deception Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Veilag For gods sake, abandon all thoughts of any new content until you get the existing problems which have been going on for months, sorted. You are assuming they know how to fix said problems.
Nenikeka	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:06:00 - [29] so no bugfixing but "new, by all needed feautures" - do your homework CCP...
Chief Lemming	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:07:00 - [30] Hope you restore things to before downtime, otherwise i now lost a carrier, fighters, fits & my nighthawk, something tells me you guys just made some very big mistake by giving us a 20 sec warning....

Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:07:00 - [31] This is bull****. Where do I sign up for Jumpgate Evolution?
Prannon	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:07:00 - [32] Right in the middle of a plex, thought I saw 20 minute warning, and it turned out to be 20 seconds. Jesus Christ I was in a proteus and my wingman in a Machariel. A minute next time?
Brannor McThife Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:07:00 - [33] Ok... Every 5-6 days that analyser is crapping out... maybe you need to get a database that can re-index, etc. tables on the fly... or get it working properly? Friday 23rd July. Wednesday 28 July. Tuesday 3 August. Everyone, be ready for a longer DT this coming Sunday/Monday. Who's gonna bet against it? -G
Isis Dea Minmatar Aura of Darkness Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:07:00 - [34] "Rabble, rabble... Fitch, fitch, fitch..." Pouty-McPoutersons in here today! P.S. I totally just blew up a station in like, 30 sec of online time!! Doomsday Ninja, yarrrrz... ___ DUST 514 - CCP's First Person Shooter: It needs your input!
Dalmont Delantee Gallente Fidelis Discordia	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:07:00 - [35] Get over it guys it happens, its not the end of the worth. BTW I don't care if your from another continent that this is your 'prime time' because you sign up to a game where the downtime is where it is and you acecpt that there might be issues with downtime. STOP whinging I'm really getting fed up of just seeing whinging comments from people who have no idea of how much work and effort is put into EVE by the people who play it and the people who run it. CCP isn't trying to screw you over, isn't trying to hurt your kids and isn't trying to steal money from you Take your emoing to somewhere more approriate like Hello Kitty World or some free to play game if you don't like what they are doing. Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons
Hack Harrison Caldari	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:07:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Navigator Tranquility downtime will be extended today due to an issue with the database. We are currently investigating the problem and will provide more information as it becomes available. Currently there is no eta on the downtime but as soon as one is available we will update this thread. Update 12.13 UTCTranquility downtime is extended to 13:00 UTC. We are still investigating problems with the database and hope to have an update for you soon. Downtime window being extended <> extended downtime since the server was made available again and people had logged in!!!
Asptar Monastair	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:07:00 - [37] They just screw the db so they can read our crazy whinge posts I reckon. But look on the bright side, at least they gave us a warning this time. (Even if it was just long enough to read it.)
Smelly Bait	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:08:00 - [38] another euro tz midday wasted
Xanderia	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:09:00 - [39] \o/ chance to go for smokes ^^ /Xan
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Brannor McThife Ok... Every 5-6 days that analyser is crapping out... maybe you need to get a database that can re-index, etc. tables on the fly... or get it working properly? Friday 23rd July. Wednesday 28 July. Tuesday 3 August. Everyone, be ready for a longer DT this coming Sunday/Monday. Who's gonna bet against it? -G they could take it down for a whole week if they fixed the problems during that time as far as im concerned.

gobbybobby Gallente refined people	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:09:00 - [41] Yea, I have to contest the Short warning given. Plz give us 5 mins to dock back up. Well I posted something, You will prob disagree. But its my opinion SO keep it to yer self. I can fly a spaceship me, I can oh yea I can flys the spaceship. What the signature can't be fun?, I
Mahijawanna	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:10:00 - [42] Originally by: TriadSte Originally by: CCP Navigator Tranquility downtime will be extended today due to an issue with the database. We are currently investigating the problem and will provide more information as it becomes available. Currently there is no eta on the downtime but as soon as one is available we will update this thread. Update 12.13 UTCTranquility downtime is extended to 13:00 UTC. We are still investigating problems with the database and hope to have an update for you soon. You sir lie. The DT wasn't extended at all as I got online and flew 10 jumps to jita to sell some goods and I flew the 10 jumps back. What has happened is yet AGAIN another unexpected/emergency downtime. Not an extended downtime as you state. :) hate to be a troll here, but blizzard owning EVE would be the worst **ing ** ever!
Guru'Kha Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:11:00 - [43] Someone really dos'nt want me to finish Worlds Collide -- Guru'Kha
Darth Kilth Minmatar M. Corp Academy	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:11:00 - [44] Time to play more gratuitous space battles! Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
Teibor	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Dalmont Delantee Get over it guys it happens, its not the end of the worth. BTW I don't care if your from another continent that this is your 'prime time' because you sign up to a game where the downtime is where it is and you acecpt that there might be issues with downtime. STOP whinging I'm really getting fed up of just seeing whinging comments from people who have no idea of how much work and effort is put into EVE by the people who play it and the people who run it. CCP isn't trying to screw you over, isn't trying to hurt your kids and isn't trying to steal money from you Take your emoing to somewhere more approriate like Hello Kitty World or some free to play game if you don't like what they are doing. thats like im sick of people standing up for them when its evident that CCP have serious flaws in their organisation but people still think the sun shines out of their ass.
DigiFusion	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:11:00 - [46] I wonder how it feels to be a CCP dev, knowing you only got the job because nobody else wanted it. I suppose those with a 3rd must work somewhere. I shudder to think what under the bonnet looks like.
Force Kon	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:11:00 - [47] Well this makes the decision "Eve or Starcraft II" a lot simpler
TriadSte Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:12:00 - [48] Edited by: TriadSte on 03/08/2010 12:12:16 Originally by: Mahijawanna Originally by: TriadSte Originally by: CCP Navigator Tranquility downtime will be extended today due to an issue with the database. We are currently investigating the problem and will provide more information as it becomes available. Currently there is no eta on the downtime but as soon as one is available we will update this thread. Update 12.13 UTCTranquility downtime is extended to 13:00 UTC. We are still investigating problems with the database and hope to have an update for you soon. You sir lie. The DT wasn't extended at all as I got online and flew 10 jumps to jita to sell some goods and I flew the 10 jumps back. What has happened is yet AGAIN another unexpected/emergency downtime. Not an extended downtime as you state. :) hate to be a troll here, but blizzard owning EVE would be the worst **ing ** ever! No Comprende?
ViolenTUK Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:12:00 - [49] I might be old fashioned but what happened to an apology for the loss of service?
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:12:00 - [50] Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 03/08/2010 12:13:19 Originally by: TriadSte Originally by: CCP Navigator Tranquility downtime will be extended today due to an issue with the database. We are currently investigating the problem and will provide more information as it becomes available. Currently there is no eta on the downtime but as soon as one is available we will update this thread. Update 12.13 UTCTranquility downtime is extended to 13:00 UTC. We are still investigating problems with the database and hope to have an update for you soon. You sir lie. The DT wasn't extended at all as I got online and flew 10 jumps to jita to sell some goods and I flew the 10 jumps back. What has happened is yet AGAIN another unexpected/emergency downtime. Not an extended downtime as you state. :) The downtime is scheduled for one hour. The server being available before the scheduled hour does not mean the scheduled downtime has finished early. If you log in at ten minutes to twelve (GMT), you're logging into the server whilst it is still in its scheduled one hour downtime period. Change Control not your thing huh?

Narfas Deteis	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:12:00 - [51] To forum moderators (inc. Navigator): You must be strong. Easy job, they said, eh?
Dalmont Delantee Gallente Fidelis Discordia	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:12:00 - [52] Originally by: gobbybobby Yea, I have to contest the Short warning given. Plz give us 5 mins to dock back up. Don't you think the warning could have been to try and save your stuff? If the database was ***ed then any extra stuff you did could be lost or corrupted.....better that then the alternative. Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons*
Riley Moore Sentinum Research	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:13:00 - [53] They should take down tranq for a full week, to fix/redo the DB from scratch; perhaps even migrate it to SQL or w/e I donno. Whichever works best and fastest. Hire 20 DB guys and workout a proper DB system with error handling. Take it down 7 days, give everyone a free month and 10% free SP. Who knows maybe migrating your DB to something that's not **** might actually fix lag as well.

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:14:00 - [54] Tranquility downtime is extended to 13:00 UTC. We are still investigating problems with the database and hope to have an update for you soon. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Brannor McThife Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:14:00 - [55] Originally by: Dalmont Delantee Anti-whine whine A system that falls over every 5-6 days is a crap system. Regardless of whether it's a game or comercial trading system. I have been a systems analyst and looked after high priority systems and I know that I'd be having to explain to directors around now as to why the system is failing for the same damn reason for the 3rd time in two weeks. And yes, perhaps it is time to go play something else. Not a rage-quit, because I like EvE, but why get upset over a game? The whole point of playing is/was for fun. Anyway... the point stands... the DB processes currently in place, suck. -G
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:14:00 - [56] Originally by: Dalmont Delantee Originally by: gobbybobby Yea, I have to contest the Short warning given. Plz give us 5 mins to dock back up. Don't you think the warning could have been to try and save your stuff? If the database was **ed then any extra stuff you did could be lost or corrupted.....better that then the alternative. In that case CCP needs to: "OH **, HIT THE AUTO-DOCK EVERYONE NOW BUTTON!!!"
gobbybobby Gallente refined people	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:14:00 - [57] Edited by: gobbybobby on 03/08/2010 12:14:44 Originally by: DigiFusion I wonder how it feels to be a CCP dev, knowing you only got the job because nobody else wanted it. I suppose those with a 3rd must work somewhere. I shudder to think what under the bonnet looks like. That is a little mean. The CCP devs have created a Very good game, and I am sure a lot goes on behind the scene's you have NO knowledge off. If you don't like this game. DON'T play it DON'T come and troll the forums and DON'T insult people behind a computer screen. Well I posted something, You will prob disagree. But its my opinion SO keep it to yer self. I can fly a spaceship me, I can oh yea I can flys the spaceship. What the signature can't be fun?, I
Graic Valente Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:15:00 - [58] Time passes... Nice to see Oceania dialing in for their usual post DT boning. So to pass the time - a joke. What's the difference between playing EVE 6 months and being married 6 months? After 6 months EVE just keeps going down on you more and more.
Moebbius Caldari COLD-Wing	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:16:00 - [59] Damn how are we supposed to get our ships/pods to safety as the warning comes and immediately the server closes? Give us some time to dock first
Veilag	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Graic Valente Time passes... Nice to see Oceania dialing in for their usual post DT boning. So to pass the time - a joke. What's the difference between playing EVE 6 months and being married 6 months? After 6 months EVE just keeps going down on you more and more.

Xanderia	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:16:00 - [61] Originally by: Teibor Originally by: Dalmont Delantee Get over it guys it happens, its not the end of the worth. BTW I don't care.... thats like im sick of people standing up for them when its evident that CCP have serious flaws in their organisation but people still think the sun shine comes out of their ass. !!! ^What he said
Intar Medris Amarr evil kitty industries Evil Kitty Federation	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:16:00 - [62] Just when I was going to complement CCP on how well DDT was going... You guys screw up again. Seriously fire your current network administrator and get a new one. In the business world ** like this would get you fired on the first time. Screwing up a DB is not a little issue. If you guys were a bank or an investment firm it could cost you and your clients a lot of money. Flame me I dare you.**
Sedilis Lead Farmers	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:16:00 - [63] Edited by: Sedilis on 03/08/2010 12:16:55 Page 3 is mine Edit: ah epic fail
Profane Deception Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:16:00 - [64] Originally by: Graic Valente Time passes... Nice to see Oceania dialing in for their usual post DT boning. So to pass the time - a joke. What's the difference between playing EVE 6 months and being married 6 months? After 6 months EVE just keeps going down on you more and more. WIN
EscapeArtist Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:16:00 - [65] Tuxfoooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrdddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:16:00 - [66] fix you're **ing game you ing **s, seriously how the is it so hard 2 ing hire some mechanics or some to take care of the database? there's 1 million ppl that plays eve, and we all pay 15 euros, that's 15 million euros a month, 1 mechanic costs like 800 euros a month, get off your ass and fix ur **ing company
Accidentally Myname Caldari Myname Replacement Brokerage LLC	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:17:00 - [67] Originally by: Kerdrak Someone accidentally the entire database? I was NO WHERE near it
Johnathan Walker Caldari Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:17:00 - [68] How many CCP employees does it take to change a light bulb? No one knows, there's no warning that it's burned. Warmly, "The Bear" JW
Zia Aiz	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:18:00 - [69] CCP, i like that you now instantly announce issues and try to provide an ETA, that is an improvement. Now try to improve the time you give people to safe up. So please, give people at least 5 minutes before you crash us all out of the game.
Tiger's Spirit Caldari	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:18:00 - [70] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat You guys have got to realize that these database problems don't just randomly happen right? There may be something like..... wrong? always sh*t happen, when they trying to stealth edit the server codes. :D

TriadSte Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:19:00 - [71] And now get ready for your petitions for lost ships to be taken of within at LEAST 2 weeks :) Hey you know free SP we got? I think some more of that is in order for an absolute shoddy 40 whole entire seconds to dock. think of all those who were peeing in that very 40 seconds? When ya gotta go ya gotta go. FREE SP
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:19:00 - [72] Isn't it about time you devoted a truckload of programming time to developing a slew of DB monitoring/integrity scripts? What you have is apparently not nearly enough as 90% of all unscheduled DTs are caused by DB fail.
Felix Macey Lead Farmers	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:20:00 - [73] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo fix you're **ing game you ing **s, seriously how the is it so hard 2 ing hire some mechanics or some to take care of the database? there's 1 million ppl that plays eve, and we all pay 15 euros, that's 15 million euros a month, 1 mechanic costs like 800 euros a month, get off your ass and fix ur **ing company Err not sure a "Mechanic" is what it needs. But thanks for your input
ColnelPanic	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:20:00 - [74] It says downtime extended to 13:00 now. I am sure CCP will let us now in this thread as promised though
gobbybobby Gallente refined people	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:21:00 - [75] Originally by: Dalmont Delantee Originally by: gobbybobby Yea, I have to contest the Short warning given. Plz give us 5 mins to dock back up. Don't you think the warning could have been to try and save your stuff? If the database was ****ed then any extra stuff you did could be lost or corrupted.....better that then the alternative. you may be right. I have no knowledge of how databases work in an online game, if this is the case I take back what I said! Best listen to a bit of eve radio while they fix it then! http://complete.gamingradio.net/everadio?player=true Its ''starting up now'' should not be too long Well I posted something, You will prob disagree. But its my opinion SO keep it to yer self. I can fly a spaceship me, I can oh yea I can flys the spaceship. What the signature can't be fun?, I
Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:22:00 - [76] Edited by: Count MonteCarlo on 03/08/2010 12:21:55 Originally by: Felix Macey Originally by: Count MonteCarlo fix you're **ing game you ing **s, seriously how the is it so hard 2 ing hire some mechanics or some to take care of the database? there's 1 million ppl that plays eve, and we all pay 15 euros, that's 15 million euros a month, 1 mechanic costs like 800 euros a month, get off your ass and fix ur ing company Err not sure a "Mechanic" is what it needs. But thanks for your input well doesnt it say the database is broken or some **ed ? doesnt mechanics fix ? if not maybe get a electrician or a computer man to fix it or some , seriously how ing hard is it to hire SPECIALISTS that should do all of this ** for u, u ppl have SO MUCH money, surely u can afford 1 MORE EMPLOYEE
Brannor McThife Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:22:00 - [77] Originally by: CCP Navigator Tranquility downtime is extended to 13:00 UTC. We are still investigating problems with the database and hope to have an update for you soon. I know it's not your fault, and I say this calmly. But I'm thinking that some form of compensation is due now that DT has been extended beyond the alloted 1 hour on 3 occassions. Sure, we get to continue training. But 1 hour is long enough for me to have cleared a L4 WC netting around 30m ISK or so... Ah well... forget it... just speaking to a wall and my head's sore. -G
Amanda Eidolo The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:23:00 - [78] Pffffffffffffffffftrs. -------- ¦
Xanderia	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:24:00 - [79] MORE SP!!
Julius Tera	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:25:00 - [80] i donnt like downtimes

Jaden Ode	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:25:00 - [81] sonova********************* How about you get those techies back from SC2 leave and back to work? For a game that has daily 1h maintenance break you can't really add extra hours of surprise downtimes.
Dalmont Delantee Gallente Fidelis Discordia	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:26:00 - [82] Originally by: Xanderia Originally by: Teibor Originally by: Dalmont Delantee Get over it guys it happens, its not the end of the worth. BTW I don't care.... thats like im sick of people standing up for them when its evident that CCP have serious flaws in their organisation but people still think the sun shine comes out of their ass. !!! ^What he said Sorry the game doesn't have serious flaws, it has some issues. Serious flaws are Wathammer end game that didn't work because very time the servers fell over (btw 1000 man blobs are one type of eve end game so don't even tbring that into it) Also there are plenty of games that go down over and over and they are not 320 thousand people on one shard. I've played eve in 2004/2005 and I started playing again last year seriously and the difference in downtime is significantlky different and the game is less broken than then. I'm also sooooo fed up of the incarna moans because all of last year I read "I want to walk in stations" over and over and over and now they are giving it to you (Will have to be a new graphic system for it you know...oh you don't? Shame) and giving it a reason to be added too (PI/DUST) and all I hear is moan moan moan moan moan. If you ask you get and you are getting. Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons
Graic Valente Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:26:00 - [83] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo fix you're **ing game you ing **s, seriously how the is it so hard 2 ing hire some mechanics or some to take care of the database? there's 1 million ppl that plays eve, and we all pay 15 euros, that's 15 million euros a month, 1 mechanic costs like 800 euros a month, get off your ass and fix ur ing company You go girl! I love how when you quote a post you get to see all the naughty words. ;) Can't argue with that though CCP, another unhappy customer being bent over by your pursuit of building innovative products to screw punters out of their hard earned. If poor ol' MonteCarlo** was to email you and say, "Hey bro' I'm a tad short this month can you cut me a few days so my POSes don't all go offline and I get reamed by the local pirate corp?" You would cut the poor bastard off at the knees. But you seem to be able to lazily code whatever. Here's a free tip: SELECT * FROM CUSTOMER; Yes, remember them?
Serial Driller	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:27:00 - [84] I had just jumped into a level 2 mission called "Recon (1 of 3)". I didn't bother to bring a ship that would actually be able to take on the ships in the pocket because all I really needed to do was rush the gate and hold out till I reached it. Half way to the gate, I get the 20 second notice. Time to decide.. ..jump to a station or continue to the gate. I stay on course and make it to the gate. I make the jump, then realize the next pocket is even more loaded with nasties. I target a station and initiate a jump.. ..game shuts down. Hope my Thorax is there when I get back. Could have been worse, I suppose. I could've been on part 3 of 3. That's where you are in a toxic cloud that does progressively worse damage to your ship. 20 seconds? Really??? Originally by: K'reemy G'udness I think the kind of person who's going to do well at eve is the autodidact. This game requires self teaching, and what that doesn't cover, pain will do the rest.

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:28:00 - [85] Tranquility is now up and accepting connections. We have diagnosed that the problem concerned the inventory database which has now been fixed. We apologize for any inconvenience. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

WeaponOmega	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:28:00 - [86] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1360067&page=53 Answer us.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:29:00 - [87] CCP, the BP of MMOs.
Tiger's Spirit Caldari	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:30:00 - [88] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo Edited by: Count MonteCarlo on 03/08/2010 12:21:55 Originally by: Felix Macey Originally by: Count MonteCarlo fix you're **ing game you ing **s, seriously how the is it so hard 2 ing hire some mechanics or some to take care of the database? there's 1 million ppl that plays eve, and we all pay 15 euros, that's 15 million euros a month, 1 mechanic costs like 800 euros a month, get off your ass and fix ur ing company Err not sure a "Mechanic" is what it needs. But thanks for your input well doesnt it say the database is broken or some **ed ? doesnt mechanics fix ? if not maybe get a electrician or a computer man to fix it or some , seriously how ing hard is it to hire SPECIALISTS that should do all of this ** for u, u ppl have SO MUCH money, surely u can afford 1 MORE EMPLOYEE "World of Warcraft requires 75,000 cpu cores and 1.3 petabytes of storage To maintain the online game World of Warcraft Blizzard has 13,250 blade servers, with a total of 75,000 CPU cores and terabytes of 112.5 terabytes of RAM. The servers host requires 1.3 petabytes of data storage. It employs 4600 people at the game. " :D
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:30:00 - [89] what it boils down to this, this is the true reason behind the crying and whining: Many people who play WOW are looking for something new and different , they already get generic MMO from WOW. People who are whining and crying right now aren't the targetted audience. This is the reason WAR failed, everyone that was the potential player base for WAR, logged into WAR and found that it wasn't like WOW. They tried to play it like it was WOW, and they got upset that it wasn't a clone of WOW. They logged out for good, and went back to wow. in WAR if you went to the warcamps at level 10 and above, everyone would sit around right infront of the battleground queue NPC, and keep requeuing, like it was WOW's BG system. the truth of the matter is, they need to make it like wow, and they need to get the playerbase of wow to succeed in the market. It must improve upon what wow does, but still have the same systems/ nothing too unfamiliar
Peter XZ	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:30:00 - [90] Ok the truth is theres absolutely nothing wrong with the DB, its just CCP employees are taking bets as to how many whiners will post their utter rage and frustration in this thread, while CCP have a side-splitting laugh at them in the process

Amanda Eidolo The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:31:00 - [91] A billion extended downtimes in a month due to unexplained 'database' issues. My clone resetting itself without cause from 54.6m SP to 2.8m SP, with no rhyme or reason behind it while I am roaming. My corpmate and friend having his skills mysteriously vanish mid-warp, leaving him trapped in space in a ship he suddenly could no longer use. Items and modules mysteriously disappearing when being removed or fitted to ships. RNG Dicerolls being hosted clientside rather than serverside. Python injection exploits being utilised and manipulated by countless powerbrokers and grifters. And yet Incarna and DUST have yet to be put on the backburner in favour of more pressing issues. What is going on, CCP? What is going on? -------- ¦
Dalmont Delantee Gallente Fidelis Discordia	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:31:00 - [92] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo fix you're **ing game you ing **s, seriously how the is it so hard 2 ing hire some mechanics or some to take care of the database? there's 1 million ppl that plays eve, and we all pay 15 euros, that's 15 million euros a month, 1 mechanic costs like 800 euros a month, get off your ass and fix ur *ing company I think you find there are just over 320K active accounts...as told by CCP as it was more than the population of iceland Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons*
Corvus Dove Caldari Lone Sword Production Consortium.	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:32:00 - [93] Originally by: Teibor Originally by: Dalmont Delantee thats like im sick of people standing up for them when its evident that CCP have serious flaws in their organisation but people still think the sun shines out of their ass. And I'm sick of people who actually think you can have the #1 MMORPG of all time and be fail. Granted, the standards aren't high, but seriously. I won't say that the devs don't spend too much time tinkering with the game itself (yay nerfbat), but I will say, as supporting their product goes, they win. If a downtime gets REALLY extended, we get SP. They down their servers once a day just to make sure the other 23 hours aren't living hell for the players. They listen to all sides of arguments, particularly nowadays, and know when to tell the carebears to kiss it. They maintain the only true PvP major MMORPG and their content releases aren't just lousy mohawk grenades, they provide entire new gaming experiences. Let's compare with others: Blizzard: If WoW has a problem, they don't halt everything and fix it, they wait a patch cycle. So you're stuck with that issue for a month or two until they feel like they'll lose money over it. The skills themselves cap quickly and if you're more than a weekend-warrior gamer, you quickly discover the only redeeming value it still has, is that Felicia Day plays it. Further, when patch day does hit, which is only common enough to be frustrating, you get to let your computer download it all day. Fun. Even if not, you still get to wait for their servers to come back up. Linden Labs: OK so Second Life isn't so much a game, but the system concept is the same. Terrible lag, difficulties with openGL implementations, and horrible physics implementation plague it and have for years. Rather than release blogs before a patch that say what an update will do, they promise it months (in some case years) in advance and then fail to deliver. Guild Wars: $50+ one-time purchase because it's pretty, and it's fun for the cost of the box. You wont' spend years on it like here. Issues? Talk about your distant patches, if they come at all. EQII: The sequel to the game that started it all, and the symbol of fail that handed the flag of fantasy MMOs over to Blizzard. Buggy, graphically glitchy at inception, card driver issues, etc. even appear now. Plus my ex plays it and she's fail. Final Fantasy XI: I was so excited to ride a Chocobo after years of playing the games. Instead I found myself playing gender-neutral badly animated avatars in a world of 12 entities with different skinning. The only fun part was the feeling of exploration and travel, and at one point, this was gouged. On that last one, really anything SoE is fail. Anyone who got hit by the SWG "reset" will tell you that. You might not like having to go out in the sun for a couple of hours, but CCP is the best of the business. They could do better, but any business could. It's just not profitable to do it. What they do, they do well, and when they hose it, they shut things down before they get worse. I agree with that mode of thinking. ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal.
Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:32:00 - [94] guess they get off they're asses and hired a mechanic
Graic Valente Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:33:00 - [95] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo guess they get off they're asses and hired a mechanic Win. /thread.
Sully Tude	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:33:00 - [96] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo Edited by: Count MonteCarlo on 03/08/2010 12:21:55 Originally by: Felix Macey Originally by: Count MonteCarlo fix you're **ing game you ing **s, seriously how the is it so hard 2 ing hire some mechanics or some to take care of the database? there's 1 million ppl that plays eve, and we all pay 15 euros, that's 15 million euros a month, 1 mechanic costs like 800 euros a month, get off your ass and fix ur ing company Err not sure a "Mechanic" is what it needs. But thanks for your input well doesnt it say the database is broken or some **ed ? doesnt mechanics fix ? if not maybe get a electrician or a computer man to fix it or some , seriously how ing hard is it to hire SPECIALISTS that should do all of this ** for u, u ppl have SO MUCH money, surely u can afford 1 MORE EMPLOYEE The stupid, oh god it hurts my brain...
Javajunky	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:34:00 - [97] Edited by: Javajunky on 03/08/2010 12:36:27 Originally by: Dalmont Delantee Get over it guys it happens, its not the end of the worth. BTW I don't care if your from another continent that this is your 'prime time' because you sign up to a game where the downtime is where it is and you acecpt that there might be issues with downtime. STOP whinging I'm really getting fed up of just seeing whinging comments from people who have no idea of how much work and effort is put into EVE by the people who play it and the people who run it. CCP isn't trying to screw you over, isn't trying to hurt your kids and isn't trying to steal money from you Take your emoing to somewhere more approriate like Hello Kitty World or some free to play game if you don't like what they are doing. Yes I agree that CCP is not intentionally trying to mess with the player base. But when looking at the amount of mornings the DT is completed and subsequently the taken down indicates a chronic problem more than an anomaly. Having watched CCP get absolutely blasted yesterday on Massively.com, hopefully these things will get more broader attention by Senior Management. IÆve only been playing for about 9 months now but after reading this article, I have a better understanding why no one wants to walk in space stations and they really want the existing content reviewed/fixed first. They want subscriber growth, but based the fact that each expansion creates more problems than it solves. (Dominion) Lag Increase. (Tyrannis) Big Fleet Fights nearly impossible due to lag, PI pushed out in a horribly incomplete and tedious (wont try to rant that one out), consistent database issues. My corp mates keep telling me I am missing the good ol days of Apoc expansion when everything worked. IÆm starting to understand their angst. Seriously hope itÆs not going to take sooo much bad publicity about the game that itÆs going to be like Apple where they lose 14Bil in market cap before they come out and address the problem. On a last note, and something to think about CCP, no oneÆs going to walk in the god damn space station if you have such bad PR no one wants to bother with Eve at all. If I was an MMO player and not yet tried playing Eve Online, I wouldnÆt even think about touching the game based on what the media is now covering.
Vaneshi SnowCrash	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:34:00 - [98] Originally by: Rashmika Clavain If you log in at ten minutes to twelve (GMT), you're logging into the server whilst it is still in its scheduled one hour downtime period. Change Control not your thing huh? But it is part of mine. If a change is sheduled to take a minimum of 1 hour (including its testing) it takes a minimum of 1 hour for the service to be made publicly avaliable again. Stating that it was still in the change window and all bets are off, whilst customers are logging in is dubious at best and poor change control/server maintenance practices at worse. We are more than happy to wait for the cluster to finish its checks and balances. We're not happy when it fakes doing so and decides to go up and down like a prostitutes knickers.
Harri Bar	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:35:00 - [99] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo fix you're **ing game you ing **s, seriously how the is it so hard 2 ing hire some mechanics or some to take care of the database? there's 1 million ppl that plays eve, and we all pay 15 euros, that's 15 million euros a month, 1 mechanic costs like 800 euros a month, get off your ass and fix ur **ing company im pretty sure a "mechanic" would be pretty useless in this environment. Perhaps your referring to an engineer with the technical expertise to troubleshoot the database issues we are experiencing? This is sometimes known as a PROGRAMMER, or various other terms. so before you start whining and swearing on the forums at CCP at least demonstrate you know the difference between a MECHANIC and a DATABASE EXPERT. A mechanic fixes cars by the way Count
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:38:00 - [100] How much FREE SKILL POINTS DO WE GET?

Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:38:00 - [101] Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3 Tuxford? Someone enlighten me on the Tuxford joke, I missed it.
Devroush Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:43:00 - [102] He wanted to reboot their test server but instead he accidentally rebooted the live server.
ShadowandLight Amarr Doom Guard Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:43:00 - [103] eve down due to a database issue? without warning? why i never heard such non-sense. ------- "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1 Hoist the Colors!
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:45:00 - [104] Originally by: Devroush He wanted to reboot their test server but instead he accidentally rebooted the live server. Thx!
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:45:00 - [105] Dear CCP, How about writing up a brief bit on what's up with the recent database issues (w/o giving away secret proprietary info)? 'Goes a long way towards quelling the flames and trolling and it is what makes EVE so attractive to those who do not drag their knuckles when walking [not in stations] around. Thanks in advance.
Jimmae	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:46:00 - [106] Edited by: Jimmae on 03/08/2010 12:47:05 Originally by: Amanda Eidolo A billion extended downtimes in a month due to unexplained 'database' issues. My clone resetting itself without cause from 54.6m SP to 2.8m SP, with no rhyme or reason behind it while I am roaming. My corpmate and friend having his skills mysteriously vanish mid-warp, leaving him trapped in space in a ship he suddenly could no longer use. Items and modules mysteriously disappearing when being removed or fitted to ships. As the CISO of an internationaly operating company I'll make an educated guess here... The occurance of those issues is a result of this: Quote: Python injection exploits being utilised and manipulated by countless powerbrokers and grifters. I won't go into the technical details but, considering the age of Eve, the potential to mess up the database by manipulating the client is probably huge.
Corvus Dove Caldari Lone Sword Production Consortium.	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:47:00 - [107] Edited by: Corvus Dove on 03/08/2010 12:48:27 I find that people who think like that are the same ones who think that if a person can fix a computer, they can also fix a printer, copying machine, toaster, coffee maker, network the entire building, fix a car stereo, or hack into a 128-bit encrypted database because some dip**** lost their password. Edit: Referring to the mechanic bit. Damn forums didn't keep the quote. ------------------------------------ I like long walks, a good book before bed, and human entrails served cold with a side order of scrap metal.
Ford Mersombre Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:51:00 - [108] They're doing it intentionally so they can "borrow" player titans and take them out for a joyride. Duh
Ibn Minion	Posted - 2010.08.03 13:03:00 - [109] Originally by: Serial Driller Edited by: Serial Driller on 03/08/2010 12:37:56 I had just jumped into a level 2 mission called "Recon (1 of 3)". I didn't bother to bring a ship that would actually be able to take on the ships in the pocket because all I really needed to do was rush the gate and hold out till I reached it. Half way to the gate, I get the 20 second notice. Time to decide.. ..jump to a station or continue to the gate. I stay on course and make it to the gate. I make the jump, then realize the next pocket is even more loaded with nasties. I target a station and initiate a jump.. ..game shuts down. Hope my Thorax is there when I get back. Could have been worse, I suppose. I could've been on part 3 of 3. That's where you are in a toxic cloud that does progressively worse damage to your ship. 40 seconds? Really??? Well mate, if you're in a Thorax that can't tank a L2 mission, even if fit for speed, you're doing something terribly wrong! :) I was doing L3s in my Incursus, so you have something going sideways The last pocket would be better as you'd e-warp and be done with it.
Amanda Eidolo The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2010.08.03 13:14:00 - [110] Why was my post deleted? Why are you trying to censor me, CCP? What am I saying that you're afraid of? -------- ¦

Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.03 13:18:00 - [111] Edited by: Cebraio on 03/08/2010 13:23:32 Originally by: Amanda Eidolo Why was my post deleted? Why are you trying to censor me, CCP? What am I saying that you're afraid of? I'm sure it wasn't deleted. Learn 2 post. Edit: This post?
Amanda Eidolo The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2010.08.03 13:20:00 - [112] No, it was deleted by the Man trying to hammer home the fact that dissent is wrong, and CONFORM is the WORD. Whatever, this thread's gone soon anyway. -------- ¦
Richard Christy	Posted - 2010.08.03 13:38:00 - [113] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat You guys have got to realize that these database problems don't just randomly happen right? There may be something like..... wrong? Please do not criticise anything.
cheet sheet	Posted - 2010.08.03 15:49:00 - [114] Look at you all asking for SP and a free month. I love all your tears. you can all try other games like World of Tanks and if you like moaning try APB lots to cry about there or we can start another post about lag
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.08.03 15:56:00 - [115] Edited by: Mr Epeen on 03/08/2010 15:56:43 Originally by: cheet sheet Look at you all asking for SP and a free month. I love all your tears. you can all try other games like World of Tanks and if you like moaning try APB lots to cry about there or we can start another post about lag Yes, the no-life whining crew is out in full force this AM. Mr Epeen

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.03 17:05:00 - [116] Thread locked as TQ is now up and running for some time. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online



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