Originally by: CCP Oveur

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The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.

Our problems are server-side.

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Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on

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Originally by: Cjeff

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I support this idea.

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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

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I would rather want to see CCP use that money on EVE development. I wouldn't mind seeing donation drives drom time to time where the players can voluntarily donate PLEXes to a charity, but I don't really want to see them on a regular basis either.

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Originally by: CCP Tuxford

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my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.

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Originally by: Aerilis

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YES PLEASE.

That would remove all ethical implications of CCP profiteering, and benefit society.

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Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist

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(For those who say "NO" - you would deny money to hungry children? Shame on you!)

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Originally by: CCP Tuxford

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my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.

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Originally by: Ivon Strom

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In closing: DON'T BE STUPID

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Originally by: Vaedian GER

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Edited by: Vaedian GER on 08/08/2010 20:57:54
Screw charity, it enslaves people and keeps those on their knees who you're trying to help.

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Originally by: Aerilis

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That would remove all ethical implications of CCP profiteering, and benefit society.

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Aedun Sole > flying with lyk is like flying a bus filled with 5 year old children

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Originally by: CCP Whisper

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No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.

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Originally by: SencneS

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Edited by: SencneS on 09/08/2010 22:33:35
I support this but really the only change they need to make is make a PLEX indestructible..

The guy above me I totally agree with, the fact that a CCP employee could willfully go in game declare war on people who are to knowing transport PLEXES (Information which they can obtain) and kill every single one of them within real game mechanics with no "GOD" mode or anything they just know. Is one legal nightmare I would have though CCP would want to avoid.

Simply making PLEXES not be able to be destroyed is the solution. Allow people to transport them sure, if someone kills the ship and it drops an indestructible can with PLEXES in it then that's the transports loss still. Unless he has a buddy right there. It still adds in the joy of killing or even suicide ganking someone for the sweet juicy PLEX reward. The only difference is that game time can still be honored.

I've heard lots of people talk about and try to justify what it means when a PLEX is destroyed. To me it's a quick buck CCP has made at mechanics they implemented. It just seems... shady to me.

If they don't want to give money as a donation (Which they should get TAX breaks for so it's not ALL loss to CCP) then make the PLEX unable to be destroyed ANYWHERE for ANY reason. In a ship it drops a can, separate from the wreck, one that can't be targeted or one that has like 1 Million HP or something. It's as simple as that.

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Originally by: Dr Reinhold

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That is really the question that is going to plague CCP. Why indeed, will ask the lawyer. Who would have the most interest and motivation to fill a transport with that much game time? that could be destroyed? There isn't a pirate out there that wouldn't suicide gank his own grandmother for the chance at 1 PLEX let alone 74. But who would take the chance at putting them in space in the first place.

The problem here for CCP is not if they did such a thing. I don't think they would, too stupid. But the problem is that, that fact will not stop the lawyers from filing suit every time a PLEX goes up in flames. This is the real reason that CCP has to remove their own conflict of interest from the destruction of PLEX. Either it is made non-transportable again, indestructible, or the value of the destroyed PLEX gets gets donated so it never sees their bottom line.

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Originally by: Anitta Blake

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I suggest that CCP make a donation to the Red Cross for each plex lost in game due to change in Game Mechanics

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I feel cpp should give a percentage of the profit in this case to a charity due the the fact it no longer has to honor 30 days of game time that was paid up front when the plex was purchased.

precedent for plex donation has been set by the "plex aid for haiti"

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Originally by: Dr Reinhold

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Excellent idea.

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It may trade hands for lots of isk but sooner or later someone uses it for game time.

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CCP sells 30 days of access for a certain amount of cash.

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Now, we have the case of PLEX being destroyed. Not a big deal from a game play perspective but from an outside observer, the $15 can be pocketed by CCP but now they never have to provide the service, the 30 days, that it represented. No just sitting there and wondering if they will ever use it. It is now gone and can be closed out in accounting terms.

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I know that some retailers have run foul of state laws regarding gift cards that never get redeemed. I worked for a retailer in IT during the time that they implemented gift cards and they originally wanted the cards to expire after a year.

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I was asking myself, as many others have, who could possibly be stupid enough to buy that much plex, actually have that much isk and be stupid enough to haul it. This person was ganked in Jita. They didn't even get out of the system that they likely bought it all in before they got scanned down and ****d.

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Why would anyone do that?

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Originally by: Peaceful Surrender

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As nice as gratuitous acts of altruism are, CCP need these funds to hire staff, improve the game and continue to provide the great service they always have. I for one feel that CCP should maintain the right to contribute to charities as they see fit, rather than have it imposed on them by a vocal minority of the player base, who could do more themselves rather than force proxy charity in my humble opinion.

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Originally by: Revenatis

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By which you meant terrible idea.

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Maybe, unless someone let it sit in their inventory somewhere and quit the game, or kept it for other reasons, but whatever.

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No CCP doesn't. See, you have no grasp of facts already, right off the bat! CCP sells 60 day GTCs. That's it. Players can directly use, sell, or giveaway GTCs. GTCs are "indestructible" in that they aren't game items at all.

Players may then choose to convert those GTCs into 30 day PLEX. Or not. CCP has no say in the matter, makes no suggestions, or really anything else. They got their money already, they gave somebody the GTC, their role is done.

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So what? The exact same thing could be said of every single other item in the game. All of them are worth ISK. "Potentially" any of that ISK could be used to buy game time. Those items, some worth multiple times that of a PLEX which isn't worth much ISK, get routinely destroyed and always have. So what?

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Not applicable, a GTC is not a measure of general value. It isn't a gift card, CCP prohibits RMT. There's no possibility of ever getting any cash for it (legitimately). It's a token worth something in-game, and if you choose to destroy it that's your business.

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Learn your facts. They didn't get ganked, they undocked with war targets right there. They got shot, by war targets, who didn't even know what they had in their cargo hold and in fact popped the wreck without checking (because hey, who would carry anything on a t1 frigate?).

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Because they suck (or were drunk/high/tired/just made a mistake). Welcome to EVE. Why would someone bring an Orca out to a belt in nullsec and have it sitting there without eyes in the surrounding systems? Why would someone think their Golem could tank a full logi-backed HAC gang and engage? Etc etc. I chose those because I personally saw them (on the attacking side). Every PvPer out there will have their own stories of both epic fights but also hilariously dumb moves. People make mistakes. And EVE, to an extent, allows that. If you want Handholding Online then go elsewhere. People have the right to make their choices here.

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Originally by: Aaron Sarukake

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Isn't going to happen. Lawyers are expensive, and the company is in Iceland. No lawyers will take the case.

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Originally by: Dr Reinhold

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Edited by: Dr Reinhold on 10/08/2010 06:36:09
Once again, strictly speaking, the discussion wasn't on GTC but rather PLEX and either way, both represent a very precise amount of value, a certain amount of game time which is regularly sold for a particular amount of money. All a gift card is, is a barcode or magnetic strip coded number that maps to an amount of in store credit, much as the GTC is only an alphanumeric code that maps to an amount or credit of the single product which is game time in EVE. That gift cards can be redeemed for multiple items and GTC can be redeemed for only one item is, once again, immaterial. Further, many if not most retailers will not give you cash back for the value of your gift card or any unspent portion of it if they have the ability to denominate cards in any value. Normally the retailer will simply put your remaining value back on to another card.

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Originally by: Camdelma

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If someone is getting free money, it ought to be a charity.

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Originally by: Kuolematon

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I suggest donation to something useful like research for ION motors or something other than helping poor people stay poor.

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Originally by: Vesok Toch

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Have Corps/Alliances/Groups field a fleet with alliance tournament rules to fight for which charity the money goes to.

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Originally by: Jada Maroo

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Not supported.

If you want to do something for charity then man(or woman) up and donate your own time or money. Stop nagging other people or businesses to do it for you because you're too busy playing video games or just too lazy or stingy to help out yourself.

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