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Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.08.09 15:54:00 - [61] I seem to remember reading that Monkeysphere is the developer of a certain macro rat software which his victims used. He had a hidden backdoor that let him inject his python deep into the backdoor of these russian macroer.
Brigitte S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.08.09 16:14:00 - [62] boo,,bluddy hooo
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.09 16:33:00 - [63] Originally by: Brigitte boo,,bluddy hooo I remember when BACON had come out how up in arms Pandemic Legion was about it. I guess then the cheat is one of your own it changes the equation, eh? Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
McKinlay North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.08.09 16:37:00 - [64] Monkey has a lot of other chars in PL. In fact we're never quite sure if he's in gang or not as v6 has masked his presence from fleet chat.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.09 16:40:00 - [65] I've always assumed this was somewhat known, but i'm starting to wonder. At any rate, i bring you The Monkeysphere. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie	Posted - 2010.08.09 16:49:00 - [66] Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat that let him inject his python deep into the backdoor of these russian macroer. oh my Quote: Aedun Sole > flying with lyk is like flying a bus filled with 5 year old children
Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:21:00 - [67] Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat I seem to remember reading that Monkeysphere is the developer of a certain macro rat software which his victims used. He had a hidden backdoor that let him inject his python deep into the backdoor of these russian macroer. sounds like a personal problem Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.09 17:32:00 - [68] Originally by: Raquel Trotter Edited by: Raquel Trotter on 09/08/2010 07:59:11 Edited by: Raquel Trotter on 09/08/2010 07:58:02 Originally by: Soma Khan Edited by: Soma Khan on 08/08/2010 22:25:31 Originally by: Raquel Trotter The macros instantly warp to a safespot then cloak as soon as any other player enters local, way faster than any actual player could do it. you seem to have some kinda esoteric knowledge of ratting macros. do tell how a macro is able to warp "instantly" where a player can not. and how do you actually tell the warp is "instant"? It's purely through observation via lots of solo hunting of 0.0 Ratters. The knowledge is not esoteric, it's pretty obvious to anybody who has ever tried to hunt and kill 0.0 npc'ers Occasionally you come across a live player, npc'ing, who is acually on the ball and watching local, and actually manages to warp from a belt as soon as you enter local. However, there will always be a delay in a humans reaction time. A bot will initiate warp the instant you enter local, leaving very little chance to catch them via a traditional directional belt scan's. I know its instant purely from directional scan. How do I know they are bots? Apart from the observational evidence (ratting 24/7, instant warps on local etc). I know as when I finally catch them at their belt, and I am proceeding to kill them, they do not do any of the things a live player would do. i.e. lock me back and try to kill me, set drones on me, call some buddies for help etc. Nothing, no reaction, They just sit at the belt, continuing to shoot rats, even switching targets to the next rat, until they die. you can't have it both ways. either the macro-ratters warp and cloak "instantly" or they sit there and let you kill them. which is it? regarding the issue of "instant warp" and your theorizing on human reaction vs macro, you'd never know since the ratter's belt could be over 14 au from the gate and by the time you warp close enough to scan they'd have enough time to warp away. in my opinion you're mostly talking out your ass Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
Flinx Evenstar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:07:00 - [69] Originally by: Matt Simon The guy who didnt exploit a while back. He used to kill 5 - 6 pimped out ravens and golems every day. He was visible in local all the time. I just think its weird that he stopped getting epic kills. Removed discussion of exploits. Zymurgist The macro ratters added him to address book and modified their software. Now when he logs in, the population of TQ drops by around 5000. These days we ask him to log in just prior to fleet fights to help reduce server load. --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
Matt Simon	Posted - 2010.08.09 18:53:00 - [70] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Matt Simon The guy who didnt exploit a while back. He used to kill 5 - 6 pimped out ravens and golems every day. He was visible in local all the time. I just think its weird that he stopped getting epic kills. Removed discussion of exploits. Zymurgist The macro ratters added him to address book and modified their software. Now when he logs in, the population of TQ drops by around 5000. These days we ask him to log in just prior to fleet fights to help reduce server load. Well your are quite the joker arent you. But seriusly, how come he just recently after the threadnaught started sucking in pvp? All he has done after that is blobbing.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:16:00 - [71] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 09/08/2010 19:16:28 There really is no need to ask, especially Pandemic Legion. They'll simply deny or excuse (and justify) the cheater. But it's as obvious and as clear as night and day. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Flinx Evenstar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.08.10 00:19:00 - [72] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 09/08/2010 19:16:28 There really is no need to ask, especially Pandemic Legion. They'll simply deny or excuse (and justify) the cheater. But it's as obvious and as clear as night and day. It's pretty clear that all of PL are cheaters and need to be banned. A rumour said so. --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
Seishi Maru Organization for Nuclear Research	Posted - 2010.08.10 00:39:00 - [73] People need to learn the difference between EVIDENCE and PROOF. His change on killboard performance is an EVIDENCE.. not a proof. A proof needs to be undeniable and no other explanation , even if of very low chance, may explain the same facts. Simply... not playiogn much anymore is an option that makes all this just an EVIDENCE.. NOT proof. And ccp will not ban people without proofs! Simple as that. There were TRILLIONS evidences that BOB command knew about T20.. but no proofs. Therefore CCP did nothing. You cannot expect double standards on this.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.10 00:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 09/08/2010 19:16:28 There really is no need to ask, especially Pandemic Legion. They'll simply deny or excuse (and justify) the cheater. But it's as obvious and as clear as night and day. It's pretty clear that all of PL are cheaters and need to be banned. A rumour said so. No. What is clear is how Pandemic Legion defended and justified The Monkeysphere's cheating. What is clear is how instead of condemning his actions you applauded him and trolled everyone else. What was clear is how you shifted from hiding his cheating to justifying it once it was clear what he was doing. What is clear is how Pandemic Legion vehemently was against BACON because it was cheating but somehow found your own cheater's actions brave and valiant. Hell, you (PL) went as far as saying that he was doing a service to Eve by cheating. That much IS clear. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.10 00:57:00 - [75] It's the alt poster, he is the legit one. ~ One million alts cant be wrong.
Raquel Trotter Trotters Independent Trading	Posted - 2010.08.10 01:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Soma Khan you can't have it both ways. either the macro-ratters warp and cloak "instantly" or they sit there and let you kill them. which is it? regarding the issue of "instant warp" and your theorizing on human reaction vs macro, you'd never know since the ratter's belt could be over 14 au from the gate and by the time you warp close enough to scan they'd have enough time to warp away. in my opinion you're mostly talking out your ass Well you have obviously never tried to solo hunt in 0.0 then have you. I suggest you take a pvp ship out to stain or drone regions and try a few things for yourself. Maybe if you have half a brain you can figure out how to catch the macros ratters as me and many others also have. I'll give you a clue, they are MACROS repeating the same process over and over. With this you can predict their behavior, what belt there are going to be at next etc. And I do know they insta-warp, as I have said already, from observing them via directional scanner. It's after I have found them, left system returned, watched them do it over and over again, that I confirm they are running a macro and can catch and kill them... A real players actions are never as predictable or consistent as a macro will be. Final confirmation is when I finally catch them and they continue to kill rats as I have them tackled, and slowly kill them It is time consuming and requires some patience as I have already stated however. But the satisfaction in popping them is quite nice and is something todo if you want to fly solo and blow up a few internet spaceship cheaters.
Flinx Evenstar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.08.10 01:19:00 - [77] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 10/08/2010 01:25:49 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 []No. What is clear is how Pandemic Legion defended and justified The Monkeysphere's cheating. What is clear is how instead of condemning his actions you applauded him and trolled everyone else. Since you have much better evidence than CCP could find despite about 100 petitions, maybe you should post your findings. And as for BACON, since the author posted threads about its functionality, and shared the source code, I fail to see the link between that and some ***got talking about a rumour. I heard a rumour that you buy isk and account share, why haven't you been perma banned? The only thing clear here is that you are a massive knobjockey (in game) and need to take a chill pill (out of game) --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.10 02:02:00 - [78] Confirming its getting increasingly embarrassing to see Matrixskye MkII act all fat and obsessive on the internets. ~ One million alts cant be wrong.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.10 02:06:00 - [79] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 10/08/2010 02:06:51 Here, from Pandemic Legion: Originally by: Grath Telkin What are you talking about? Let me explain: Nobody cares. The entirety of the russian community is pretty much seen as Macros, so your complaints fall on deaf ears (this will offend some people, but sometimes, the truth is offensive). You abuse a macro, to keep your ship safe, in essence, playing in god mode, with log offs, cloaks, and any other thing you can possibly use to NEVER EVER GET KILLED. Somebody, found a way around your system. Actually, its more than just one person who knows how to beat it, but you'll find that out over the next few weeks as your macro accounts die with more and more frequency. We complained, and filed those complaints with CCP. They did nothing, as your macros are easily able evade CCP's leaky logs that always "show nothing". Do you really think, after years of you getting away with basically playing immune to the rules the rest of the games legal players had to face, that ANYBODY gives a damn if your getting farmed like the rats in your belts? Cry more, over the next few weeks, I'd expect to see your systems filling with people using the same technique. I hope you enjoy it. From here. Why hasn't this "seekrit technique" worked since CCP last patched the exploit? . Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank Confirming its getting increasingly embarrassing to see Matrixskye MkII act all fat and obsessive on the internets. What's getting embarrassing is you're running out of names to replace your banned characters :). Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.10 02:26:00 - [80] this is you trying to prove you know how to tell a macro from a human player (from your post at the top of page 2 of this thread): Originally by: Raquel Trotter I am fully aware of the difference between a player at his computer ratting, and one who is cheating by running a macro. The macros instantly warp to a safespot then cloak as soon as any other player enters local, way faster than any actual player could do it. let's look at your new arguments: Originally by: Raquel Trotter And I do know they insta-warp, as I have said already, from observing them via directional scanner. were you in local when you were 'observing'? didn't you say you can 'tell' a macro from this ability to warp instantly when someone shows up in local? so when you frequent some system with a ratter, would it be far-fetched to presume the ratter would be spooked and stay aligned for just in case you come back again? Originally by: Raquel Trotter I'll give you a clue, they are MACROS repeating the same process over and over. With this you can predict their behavior, what belt there are going to be at next etc. and we all know that ratting is an extremely varied and unpredictable exercise. personally my biggest challenge during ratting is not to fall asleep. anyway, you've already predicted that macro-ratters INSTANTLY warp and cloak when you show up in local, so I guess it's always a nice feeling of being right every time you jump into the system. you do show up in local, right? Originally by: Raquel Trotter It is time consuming and requires some patience as I have already stated however. But the satisfaction in popping them is quite nice and is something todo if you want to fly solo and blow up a few internet spaceship cheaters. too bad the one dead impel to your name doesn't do much for your credence Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.10 03:07:00 - [81] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank Confirming its getting increasingly embarrassing to see Matrixskye MkII act all fat and obsessive on the internets. What's getting embarrassing is you're running out of names to replace your banned accounts :). I thought this one was quite funny. Not as good as Gladys but there you go And I don't feel the need to hide behind an anonymous forum alt for my internet spaceships anonymous character. ~ One million alts cant be wrong.
Raquel Trotter Trotters Independent Trading	Posted - 2010.08.10 03:59:00 - [82] Originally by: Soma Khan Mindless drivel What exactly are you trying to prove? That macro ratters do not exist, or that they really just great to have around in eve and are not cheating scumbags and responsible for most RMT in game? As stated in last post.. that you failed to quote, its not one action of instantly initiating warp, then landing at safe then cloaking that identifies a macro. It's the consistent repeatability, and predictability, over and over in a short space of time that makes me think they are macros. Until they are actually caught however it is just a really good guess based on observations. Once caught however, its then that I can see for sure if they are macros or not. Or are you saying that dozens of different, live players, have just happened to fall asleep, over and over, at the precise moment I have them tackled. Even after me popping in and out of local over the last 20-30 mins? Obviously this is not my pvp character.
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla	Posted - 2010.08.10 04:02:00 - [83] in my ccp voice come on guys its just a game.... :) _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.10 04:30:00 - [84] I'M INCREDIBLY UPSET ABOUT ALL THIS AND DEMAND JUSTICE HOW CAN YOU ALL JUST LOOK THE OTHER WAY?!?!?!? HOW CAN YOU LET PEOPLE LIKE THIS SULLY THE GOOD NAME OF EVE ONLINE????? WHEN WILL CCP COME DOWN FROM THEIR IVORY TOWERS AND GIVE US THE WITCH HUNT AND CHARACTER BANNINGS THAT WE SO RIGHTLY DESERVE THAT'S RIGHT PEOPLE!!!! THIS! IS! IT! WE'RE E-RAGING AND WE AREN'T GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!!! WE DEMAND CCP BAN MATRIXSKYE MK2 FOR EITHER TERRIBLE TROLLING OR NOT KNOWING WHEN HIS INTERWEB LAWSOOT DOESN'T HAVE A NECKBEARD WORTH OF EVIDENCE TO STAND ON I gladly bump this pile of hilarity smothered in fail sauce. But I'll add to it something it hasn't had in the past 3 pages, a portion of post worth noting: -I have irrefutable evidence that Monkeysphere cheated. -I also have irrefutable evidence that 20+ russian players systematically stole in excess of a dozen trillion isk from one particular bug. -I have further evidence that approximately 40 player organizations throughout Eve have stole an unprecedented level of isk through systematic bugs that continue to be unknown to the greater populace. (how big is unprecedented? well i cited a precedent one example above that involves over a dozen trillion isk. and that was ONE group and an isolated bug, not ongoing) -I further still have irrefutable evidence that hundreds (and on some days) thousands of accounts operating on tranquility are systematically cheating. -Not to be outdone by myself, and last but not least, I have irrefutable evidence that CCP does in fact not give a ****, and nor will they do anything about any of the above unless either said irrefutable evidence is brought forth and raises a huge PR stink or it is discovered to be directly linked to RMT (CCP not getting a slice of the pie). Until then, "We do not condone cheating" is not a policy pursued with a serious application of CCP resources nor is it taken into any serious account in game mechanics development, unless it involved real money trade (CCP not getting their cut of the deal). So why do I not bring forth all my irrefutable evidence? Well it's simple really... just to make MatrixSkye Mk2 pay for his terrible, awful, unworthy, unfunny, unconvincing trolling/e-serious argument and because he's mad. Yup, if it wasn't for him you would have gotten the whole kit and kaboodle, true interwebs justice. THANKS A LOT MATRIXSKYE, YOU RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE HOWEVER, IF CCP MAKES A GOOD FAITH MEASURE OF BANNING MATRIXSKYE FOR BEING JUST TERRIBLE AT THE FORUMS IN GENERAL ... I WILL RECIPROCATE WITH A GOOD FAITH MEASURE OF RELEASING ALL MY EVIDENCE TO CCP, AND THEN 7 DAYS LATER TO THE PUBLIC. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
XIRUSPHERE Gallente THE DISC	Posted - 2010.08.10 05:30:00 - [85] Killing bots does take a bit of patience, but it is rewarding. It's quite entertaining to see a pod warping to belts randomly after the ship is long gone. CCP really should do 0.0 and the game in general a favor and initiate a local delay.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.10 12:25:00 - [86] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia So why do I not bring forth all my irrefutable evidence? Well it's simple really... just to make MatrixSkye Mk2 pay for his terrible, awful, unworthy, unfunny, unconvincing trolling/e-serious argument and because he's mad. Yup, if it wasn't for him you would have gotten the whole kit and kaboodle, true interwebs justice. THANKS A LOT MATRIXSKYE, YOU RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE HOWEVER, IF CCP MAKES A GOOD FAITH MEASURE OF BANNING MATRIXSKYE FOR BEING JUST TERRIBLE AT THE FORUMS IN GENERAL ... I WILL RECIPROCATE WITH A GOOD FAITH MEASURE OF RELEASING ALL MY EVIDENCE TO CCP, AND THEN 7 DAYS LATER TO THE PUBLIC. Thanks. You made my day. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Richard Christy	Posted - 2010.08.10 13:01:00 - [87] ibtl
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2010.08.10 13:03:00 - [88] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 09/08/2010 16:48:08 I've always assumed this was somewhat known, since it's just a short google search away, but i'm starting to wonder. At any rate, i bring you The Monkeysphere. Thanks for that link. It was a good read Also, cheaters do end up winning in eve so long as there is no PR backlash (TM) so STFU.
Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.10 14:33:00 - [89] Originally by: Raquel Trotter What exactly are you trying to prove? you are the one trying to prove something. I've only pointed out the parts that show you're full of sheat Originally by: Raquel Trotter Obviously this is not my pvp character. did I say differently? Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
Raquel Trotter Trotters Independent Trading	Posted - 2010.08.10 15:01:00 - [90] Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Raquel Trotter What exactly are you trying to prove? you are the one trying to prove something. I've only pointed out the parts that show you're full of sheat You have not pointed out anything, nor responded to my last post. You are clearly just a forum warrior, arguing for the sake of it, and who most probably runs a macro ratter yourself.

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