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Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.10 15:38:00 - [91] Originally by: Raquel Trotter You are clearly just a forum warrior, arguing for the sake of it, and who most probably runs a macro ratter yourself. excellent demonstration of your macro-spotting skillz I rest my case. Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.10 16:14:00 - [92] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia But I'll add to it something it hasn't had in the past 3 pages, a portion of post worth noting: -I have irrefutable evidence that Monkeysphere cheated. -I also have irrefutable evidence that 20+ russian players systematically stole in excess of a dozen trillion isk from one particular bug. -I have further evidence that approximately 40 player organizations throughout Eve have stole an unprecedented level of isk through systematic bugs that continue to be unknown to the greater populace. (how big is unprecedented? well i cited a precedent one example above that involves over a dozen trillion isk. and that was ONE group and an isolated bug, not ongoing) -I further still have irrefutable evidence that hundreds (and on some days) thousands of accounts operating on tranquility are systematically cheating. -Not to be outdone by myself, and last but not least, I have irrefutable evidence that CCP does in fact not give a ****, and nor will they do anything about any of the above unless either said irrefutable evidence is brought forth and raises a huge PR stink or it is discovered to be directly linked to RMT (CCP not getting a slice of the pie). Until then, "We do not condone cheating" is not a policy pursued with a serious application of CCP resources nor is it taken into any serious account in game mechanics development, unless it involved real money trade (CCP not getting their cut of the deal). So why do I not bring forth all my irrefutable evidence? Well it's simple really... just to make MatrixSkye Mk2 pay for his terrible, awful, unworthy, unfunny, unconvincing trolling/e-serious argument and because he's mad. Yup, if it wasn't for him you would have gotten the whole kit and kaboodle, true interwebs justice. THANKS A LOT MATRIXSKYE, YOU RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE HOWEVER, IF CCP MAKES A GOOD FAITH MEASURE OF BANNING MATRIXSKYE FOR BEING JUST TERRIBLE AT THE FORUMS IN GENERAL ... I WILL RECIPROCATE WITH A GOOD FAITH MEASURE OF RELEASING ALL MY EVIDENCE TO CCP, AND THEN 7 DAYS LATER TO THE PUBLIC. Thanks. You made my day. How can you laugh about all of this? This is serious business right? If CCP fails to do the right thing Matrix, you still can. If you biomass your character and attend some form of counseling and training on proper forum trolling, I will seriously consider releasing my evidence. Otherwise, I'm afraid your feinged angst and anger (only to turn around and post LAUGHY FACE! of all things) is just another injustice that further represses any motivation I might have to do the right and honorable thing. Seriously, I can't decide which is worse. You or PL. YOU CAN STILL DO THE RIGHT THING HERE!!!! STOP THE CYCLE!!!! --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Raquel Trotter Trotters Independent Trading	Posted - 2010.08.10 16:30:00 - [93] Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Raquel Trotter excellent demonstration of your macro-spotting skillz I rest my case. Nice argument, what about "I've killed dozens" do you not understand?
Analissa Fiora	Posted - 2010.08.10 16:40:00 - [94] He didnt cheat. reason he stopped is because hes tired of killing macros.
Huhuhuhuhuhuh	Posted - 2010.08.11 06:47:00 - [95] Originally by: Analissa Fiora He didnt cheat. reason he stopped is because hes tired of killing macros. and if you bury 5 gold at the fool's county, they'll grow into money tree. i dont know what is more stupid - making thread about one-trick-pony cheater or people defending or justifying him ~
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.11 07:39:00 - [96] Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Originally by: Analissa Fiora He didnt cheat. reason he stopped is because hes tired of killing macros. and if you bury 5 gold at the fool's county, they'll grow into money tree. i dont know what is more stupid - making thread about one-trick-pony cheater or people defending or justifying him ~ Maybe people who expose themselves as known cheaters by publicly displaying the use of hacks like you? ~ One million alts cant be wrong.
Dr Neba	Posted - 2010.08.11 07:45:00 - [97] the guy is a cheat plan and simple. the worst thing is ccp are letting it happen. Seen it on a few occasions now, standard the logs show nothing reply from ccp
Huhuhuhuhuhuh	Posted - 2010.08.11 08:53:00 - [98] Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank Maybe people who expose themselves as known cheaters by publicly displaying the use of hacks like you? i dont need hack to avoid showing up in local mate ~
Richard Christy	Posted - 2010.08.11 10:01:00 - [99] Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank Maybe people who expose themselves as known cheaters by publicly displaying the use of hacks like you? i dont need hack to avoid showing up in local mate ~
Analissa Fiora	Posted - 2010.08.11 14:05:00 - [100] Originally by: Dr Neba Edited by: Dr Neba on 11/08/2010 08:31:07 Edited by: Dr Neba on 11/08/2010 08:30:51 the guy is a cheat plain and simple. the worst thing is ccp are letting it happen. Seen it on a few occasions now, standard the logs show nothing reply from ccp he already proved hes the best. he doesnt need to continue proving it forever. and so what if he used an exploit to kill macros? if you killed you is because you were a macro anyway. and if you werent then you would die anyways.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:11:00 - [101] Originally by: Dr Neba Edited by: Dr Neba on 11/08/2010 08:31:07 Edited by: Dr Neba on 11/08/2010 08:30:51 the guy is a cheat plain and simple. the worst thing is ccp are letting it happen. Seen it on a few occasions now, standard the logs show nothing reply from ccp my last post was edited out by ccp. let's try it more cordially and politically this time.... the worst thing is that ccp allows cheating to happen across the board as long as it doesn't -butt into their cut of the RMT business (gtc's) -one cheat doesn't blatantly cause them a PR nightmare they do not care seriously, they have ENTIRE REGIONS of people just macro'ing away and tanking the economy into the ground almost all of PI is macro mining? you guessed it! mostly macros CCP does not care. Get it through your head. They don't care about cheating. Unless you ask them, then they will tell you 'we do not allow cheating'. Of course for them to fix the problem (like anything else in eve) you'd actually need to get them to ACKNOWLEDGE the problem. good luck with that --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:20:00 - [102] Originally by: Seishi Maru People need to learn the difference between EVIDENCE and PROOF. His change on killboard performance is an EVIDENCE.. not a proof. A proof needs to be undeniable and no other explanation , even if of very low chance, may explain the same facts. Simply... not playiogn much anymore is an option that makes all this just an EVIDENCE.. NOT proof. This is ridiculous. So what you're saying is if you walk into a room with 5 bodies killed from stab wounds and there's a 6th guy standing there, laughing maniacally with a knife in his hand covered in blood, his hand and finger prints all over the place and the bodies, you can't prove he did anything. Unless you actually saw him do it, you're saying he's innocent?
Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:25:00 - [103] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia my last post was edited out by ccp. let's try it more cordially and politically this time.... looked to me like your last post was "edited" for creative quoting of another poster a typical 'do as I say don't do as a do' travesty Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:25:00 - [104] Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 11/08/2010 15:27:30 I would like to nominate whoever was responsible for killing that many macro ratters as the new programmer in charge of EVE. You people are butt-hurt because he got away with killing a bunch of automated ravens? Really? Macros and anyone they transfer anything to should be banned. This heroic macro-slayer should be cannonized.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:27:00 - [105] Originally by: Mr Kidd This is ridiculous. So what you're saying is if you walk into a room with 5 bodies killed from stab wounds and there's a 6th guy standing there, laughing maniacally with a knife in his hand covered in blood, his hand and finger prints all over the place and the bodies, you can't prove he did anything. Unless you actually saw him do it, you're saying he's innocent? Yes, because that's the same thing as what is being discussed here. Also, police have motivation to investigate crimes. CCP has no such motivations unless it costs them RL isk. So unless you are prepared to start canceling accounts over this... it's pretty f'n obvious by now that CCP doesn't care. How many tears will you shed over one guy killing a bunch of macro ratters. Why aren't you more outraged over the dozens and dozens of macro ratters/miners/PI people??? What are your motivations? Maybe the 5 bodies on the floor were also knife murderers and your just upset because someone beat them at their own game? Any way you look at it, your anger is misdirected and your logic is severely flawed. Want to be angry? Be angry that CCP allows cheating across teh board in eve as S.O.P. That is the real problem. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:34:00 - [106] Originally by: Analissa Fiora he already proved hes the best. he doesnt need to continue proving it forever. cause being the best with a wallhack is a real achievement to be proud of, right? you must be mentally challenged Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:39:00 - [107] Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia my last post was edited out by ccp. let's try it more cordially and politically this time.... looked to me like your last post was "edited" for creative quoting of another poster a typical 'do as I say don't do as a do' travesty I didn't alter any quotes from another player. I just said I had explicit evidence of cheating not just by the person in question in this thread, but of systematic cheating all across eve by several groups and that CCP does not care about cheating unless -there is blatant evidence showing it AND providing CCP with a PR nightmare or -there is RMT involved (cutting into their GTC profits) and that is the truth. No, the tears in here do not make a PR nightmare, the tears in the 60+ page threadnaught wasn't enough to make them actually care. and the only people involved in "do as i say don't do as i do" were the people cheating with macros and crying that someone beat them at their own cheating game. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:44:00 - [108] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Why aren't you more outraged over the dozens and dozens of macro ratters/miners/PI people??? What are your motivations? Oh I don't know. Perhaps that this cheat allowed him to kill non-macros and players that WERE following the rules? . But yeah, those are necessary "casualties", amirite? Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:45:00 - [109] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia my last post was edited out by ccp. let's try it more cordially and politically this time.... looked to me like your last post was "edited" for creative quoting of another poster a typical 'do as I say don't do as a do' travesty I didn't alter any quotes from another player. I could be mistaken, but here's your post that's been deleted, and here's the post you were quoting in that deleted post Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:48:00 - [110] Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia my last post was edited out by ccp. let's try it more cordially and politically this time.... looked to me like your last post was "edited" for creative quoting of another poster a typical 'do as I say don't do as a do' travesty I didn't alter any quotes from another player. I could be mistaken, but here's your post that's been deleted, and here's the post you were quoting in that deleted post Hey genius. Take a good look. I didn't change one thing Matrix said. I only showed my FULL QUOTE that he had edited so it had some context. Nice fail. Really, Brav-O --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:49:00 - [111] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Why aren't you more outraged over the dozens and dozens of macro ratters/miners/PI people??? What are your motivations? Oh I don't know. Perhaps that this cheat allowed him to kill non-macros and players that WERE following the rules? . But yeah, those are necessary "casualties", amirite? collateral damageÖ Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:50:00 - [112] Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 11/08/2010 15:51:37 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Why aren't you more outraged over the dozens and dozens of macro ratters/miners/PI people??? What are your motivations? Oh I don't know. Perhaps that this cheat allowed him to kill non-macros and players that WERE following the rules? . But yeah, those are necessary "casualties", amirite? You said it, not me. Matrix, why do you continue to fail so completely at these forums? It's not hard to type without being so dense. edit: maybe you should report me again for owning your face so completely Why are you not upset at the systematic cheating that occurs across eve every day? You seem so upset about the monkeysphere, but you don't seem at all upset about the thousands of other cheaters OR the fact that CCP JUST DOESN"T CARE They don't care about you, they don't care about the monkey, they don't care about the thousands of other cheaters and they certainly CERTAINLY do not care about this thread and your crying. (seriously, if they did, i think the 60+ page threadnaught when this stuff happened would have been good enough for them to take action) please, enlighten us. explain to us how and why CCP should care about cheating? --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:52:00 - [113] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 11/08/2010 15:54:36 I might have cut your rant in half to save space, but rest assured I did not "edit" your angry post, Princess. I don't like cheaters. Any of em. But what caused the other threadnaught was that there were people like you actually DEFENDING and JUSTIFYING using an exploit on non-cheaters as long as it was also being used on cheaters, as if somehow that made everyting OK and well worth it. And by the way, the reason there isn't a 60+ page threadnaught on RMTers is because everyone pretty much agrees they hurt the game. So what is it you would like this anti-RMT thread to have? player1: RMT sux player2: +1 player3: yeah player4: word player... player... The reason there was a 60-page thread on The Monkeysphere cheating was because there was you defending his actions like he's some kind of hero for doing what he did when in fact he was just a cheater. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:55:00 - [114] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 I might have cut your rant in half to save space, but rest assured I did not "edit" your angry post, Princess. I don't like cheaters. Any of em. But what caused the other threadnaught was that there were people like you actually DEFENDING and JUSTIFYING using an exploit on non-cheaters as long as it was also being used on cheaters, as if somehow that made everyting OK and well worth it. and the reason you will continue to fail is because you are crying about one guy in eve instead of focusing your efforts on getting ccp to acknowledge and fix the systematic **** of the eve economy by macro players. know how i said i had evidence? i do and the one thing you can hold true is, the ganks were only possible if the account was using a macro so..... while it doesn't justify cheating. you have yet to explain how you hold the weight of one cheating player over dozens, hundreds (thousands across eve) if we follow that logic to conclusion there is only two possible answers -your defending macro players -your completely dense with tunnel vision and just crying because you have a personal grudge --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:56:00 - [115] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Soma Khan I could be mistaken, but here's your post that's been deleted, and here's the post you were quoting in that deleted post Hey genius. Take a good look. I didn't change one thing Matrix said. I only showed my FULL QUOTE that he had edited so it had some context. Nice fail. Really, Brav-O as I said, I'm not insisting; however it did look to me like Matrix was responding to a specific part of your post, and you made it look like he was responding to something else entirely by altering his post. your post got mod'ed, so the fail is all yours Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:58:00 - [116] Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Soma Khan I could be mistaken, but here's your post that's been deleted, and here's the post you were quoting in that deleted post Hey genius. Take a good look. I didn't change one thing Matrix said. I only showed my FULL QUOTE that he had edited so it had some context. Nice fail. Really, Brav-O as I said, I'm not insisting; however it did look to me like Matrix was responding to a specific part of your post, and you made it look like he was responding to something else entirely by altering his post. your post got mod'ed, so the fail is all yours no u --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Saul Reaver Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.11 15:59:00 - [117] Originally by: Matt Simon Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Matt Simon The guy who didnt exploit a while back. He used to kill 5 - 6 pimped out ravens and golems every day. He was visible in local all the time. I just think its weird that he stopped getting epic kills. Removed discussion of exploits. Zymurgist The macro ratters added him to address book and modified their software. Now when he logs in, the population of TQ drops by around 5000. These days we ask him to log in just prior to fleet fights to help reduce server load. Well your are quite the joker arent you. But seriusly, how come he just recently after the threadnaught started sucking in pvp? All he has done after that is blobbing. If you think he sucks at PVP why don't you ask him for a 1vs1? I know who my money is on. (and he won't need a cheat too kill you either). Sphere is a bloody good pvper. Most of you are forgetting about this simple fact. ----------------------------------------
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:01:00 - [118] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia so..... while it doesn't justify cheating. you have yet to explain how you hold the weight of one cheating player over dozens, hundreds (thousands across eve) if we follow that logic to conclusion there is only two possible answers -your defending macro players -your completely dense with tunnel vision and just crying because you have a personal grudge Unlike you, I condemn all cheaters. And let me get this straight, after trolling everyone on the other thread for accusing MS of cheating you now fall into the camp of "yes, well he was cheating" but now add the "but he was doing an honorable thing". Not only that, but you offer to reveal his cheat if CCP agrees to ban me. And you're accusing me of having a grudge? . Seriously? Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Dianeces North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:04:00 - [119] Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank Maybe people who expose themselves as known cheaters by publicly displaying the use of hacks like you? i dont need hack to avoid showing up in local mate ~ A common problem among those who don't log in~
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:05:00 - [120] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia so..... while it doesn't justify cheating. you have yet to explain how you hold the weight of one cheating player over dozens, hundreds (thousands across eve) if we follow that logic to conclusion there is only two possible answers -your defending macro players -your completely dense with tunnel vision and just crying because you have a personal grudge Unlike you, I condemn all cheaters. And let me get this straight, after trolling everyone on the other thread for accusing MS of cheating you now fall into the camp of "yes, well he was cheating" but now add the "but he was doing an honorable thing". Not only that, but you offer to reveal his cheat if CCP agrees to ban me. And you're accusing me of having a grudge? . Seriously? exploiting a known macro bug is not cheating. but if 60 pages doesn't convince you of that i'm not going to start trying now the proof of the cheating is all on the people he was killing. but your only going to believe what you've already convinced yourself is the truth, so I'm really not going to try and sway you. i'll just argue whatever it is you want to argue and show your logic is still flawed, you view this thing through rose colored glasses and your either here because you love trolling or have some personal grudge to fulfill. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved

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