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Raydn James Erlang Biolabs	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:06:00 - [121] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia and the reason you will continue to fail is because you are crying about one guy in eve instead of focusing your efforts on getting ccp to acknowledge and fix the systematic **** of the eve economy by macro players. know how i said i had evidence? i do and the one thing you can hold true is, the ganks were only possible if the account was using a macro so..... while it doesn't justify cheating. you have yet to explain how you hold the weight of one cheating player over dozens, hundreds (thousands across eve) if we follow that logic to conclusion there is only two possible answers -your defending macro players -your completely dense with tunnel vision and just crying because you have a personal grudge Ok, I've been reading this thread and keeping my mouth shut for 4 pages. My question to you princess, is that if you truly have this proof you claim to have, then why have you not already released it? Your main claim is that CCP will not fix the cheating unless it hits them in the wallet and in the public eye. You also claim that this proof will show that CCP doesn't give a crap about all of us individual players. So release the proof. Release it to the players. Release it it CCP. Release it to the gaming media. If your proof holds true the CCP will near instantly get then negative press to get them off their butts and start making the fixes. That combined with the (probable) cancellations of accounts will hit them in the wallet. Let it be clear. I love EVE. I definitely do not want to see it die. However, I also detest people who cheat at a game. I'd rather see EVE take the (hopefully) short term hit in player base and public perception than to let individual players as well as massive corps/alliances cheat.
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:09:00 - [122] Edited by: Elise Randolph on 11/08/2010 16:12:02 What very few people know about "The Legion" is that, upon joining, you are forced to sign a legal document - a Non Disclosure Agreement - stating that you cannot reveal any of the inner workings of The Legion up until six months after you leave. That said, I have been out of Pandemic Legion for six months now so I can reveal the secret of The Monkeysphere. The Monkeysphere, as we all know, used a program now dubbed "The Sphere" - and he was just one in a long list of PL members to use this program (which members of The Legion simply call "Pathetic"), it's just he was the only one who garnered such a high profile while using it. After he was caught, Pandemic Fleet Admiral Jogyn instructed The Monkeysphere to lay low until everything blew over and the Pandemic High Command appointed a new pilot from North Eastern Swat to take over for The Monkeysphere in his absence. Since I do not want to ruin his reputation, I will withhold his name, but he has killed FIVE TENGUS in a single day. A feat that is impossible without using Pathetic. So there you have it inside knowledge to confirm your suspicions. ~Elise Randolph, PL Insider Additionally, Swiftsnipe --- Sup~
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:10:00 - [123] Princess said he'll release the proof if CCP bans me :P. But make no mistake, he cares about cheating in the game. It's just his grudge is a lil more important. Right, Princess? Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:11:00 - [124] Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 11/08/2010 16:11:25 Originally by: Raydn James Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia and the reason you will continue to fail is because you are crying about one guy in eve instead of focusing your efforts on getting ccp to acknowledge and fix the systematic ** of the eve economy by macro players. know how i said i had evidence? i do and the one thing you can hold true is, the ganks were only possible if the account was using a macro so..... while it doesn't justify cheating. you have yet to explain how you hold the weight of one cheating player over dozens, hundreds (thousands across eve) if we follow that logic to conclusion there is only two possible answers -your defending macro players -your completely dense with tunnel vision and just crying because you have a personal grudge Ok, I've been reading this thread and keeping my mouth shut for 4 pages. My question to you princess, is that if you truly have this proof you claim to have, then why have you not already released it? Your main claim is that CCP will not fix the cheating unless it hits them in the wallet and in the public eye. You also claim that this proof will show that CCP doesn't give a crap about all of us individual players. So release the proof. Release it to the players. Release it it CCP. Release it to the gaming media. If your proof holds true the CCP will near instantly get then negative press to get them off their butts and start making the fixes. That combined with the (probable) cancellations of accounts will hit them in the wallet. Let it be clear. I love EVE. I definitely do not want to see it die. However, I also detest people who cheat at a game. I'd rather see EVE take the (hopefully) short term hit in player base and public perception than to let individual players as well as massive corps/alliances cheat. Originally by:** MatrixSkye Mk2 Princess said he'll release the proof if CCP bans me :P. But make no mistake, he cares about cheating in the game. It's just his grudge is a lil more important. Right, Princess? edit: this is correct matrix. you biomass or get deleted, i'll be so happy i'll turn a new leaf i would, but matrix fails so bad he's convinced me not to release it. really? CCP doesn't care. We could go on crusade with all the evidence in the world and they might ban... 5 accounts? the whole point is, CCP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT CHEATING. prices are at floor on tranq, macroers rules the trade. NPC, mining, PI it's all dominated by people running scripts. If you REALLY REALLY care and want to show CCP they need to put their actual players first, you'll cancel your account. That is the only thing they care about. Player buys GTC to sell on tranq <-- CCP cares about this. They make RL money Player macros for ingame isk to buy GTC <--- CCP DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THIS, THEY ALREADY MADE THEIR BANK --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:11:00 - [125] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank Maybe people who expose themselves as known cheaters by publicly displaying the use of hacks like you? i dont need hack to avoid showing up in local mate ~ A common problem among those who don't log in~ or live in wh-space? but you were speaking of your own experience... Originally by: CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
SkinSin	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:14:00 - [126] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia if we follow that logic to conclusion there is only two possible answers -your defending macro players -your completely dense with tunnel vision and just crying because you have a personal grudge How to utterly fail at logic! Unfortunately cheating of all type does happen and it needs to be solved. But fixing it doesn't involve saying "we're not going to ban this person because we haven't banned anyone else, we should ban everyone else before we ban this person". It needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis, which you do this by presenting the evidence and then having someone act upon it. In this case, the evidence was collected, and this most definitely showed cheating, and most definitely killed people that weren't macros. Should he then not be punished for using cheats/exploits? I'm pretty sure the EULA mentions it, and I'm pretty sure that it's a bannable offence, so I don't actually understand why you're defending him. Perhaps you should explain? Finally, if you have the evidence of cheating, give it to CCP rather than whining that you have it!
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:19:00 - [127] Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 11/08/2010 16:20:54 Originally by: SkinSin It needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis, which you do this by presenting the evidence and then having someone act upon it. In this case, the evidence was collected, and this most definitely showed cheating, and most definitely killed people that weren't macros. Should he then not be punished for using cheats/exploits? I'm pretty sure the EULA mentions it, and I'm pretty sure that it's a bannable offence, so I don't actually understand why you're defending him. Perhaps you should explain? Finally, if you have the evidence of cheating, give it to CCP rather than whining that you have it! You are so totally right. That is why CCP banned him. O wait... how did you put it? "How to utterly fail at logic" edit: don't take the above too personally. I'm simply trying to teach you the same lesson the rest of the gruel in here need to learn their anger is completely misdirected at THE MONKEYSPHERE when you can't see the real problem the only person REALLY cheating anyone here is CCP what with their "commitment to excellence" and "we don't tolerate cheating" CCP management should get into politics. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
SkinSin	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:29:00 - [128] Well yes, but if he's back, it was more like a suspension than a banning. And I entirely agree that cheats need stopping, and there are two ways of doing that: 1) Stopping it at the source, which is better, but takes a lot of effort. 2) Showing that you mean business and permanently banning people shown to have been cheating to make an example of them - which is easier, deters people from doing it (hopefully) but doesn't get rid of all the cheating. I am guessing CCP have limited time to investigate these issue (given that most people appear to be working on something else. ), so I expect that number 1 is out, which leaves number 2, and anything we supply in order to make their job easier should be done. So supply that info you have to CCP.
Dianeces North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:32:00 - [129] Originally by: SkinSin Well yes, but if he's back, it was more like a suspension than a banning. You forgot the part where he was never gone hth
SkinSin	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:34:00 - [130] Hmmmm... so a ban where the person wasn't actually banned...?!?
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:36:00 - [131] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: SkinSin Well yes, but if he's back, it was more like a suspension than a banning. You forgot the part where he was never gone hth And it wouldn't be the first time CCP's logs showed nothing. But the evidence is there for anyone to see. Ever since the exploit was fixed he's become a regular PVPer. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Raydn James Erlang Biolabs	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:37:00 - [132] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Princess said he'll release the proof if CCP bans me :P. But make no mistake, he cares about cheating in the game. It's just his grudge is a lil more important. Right, Princess? After this comment and Princess's acknowledgement to it being true I can't help but feel like we're on one epic Troll at the moment. I would hope that no person would withhold such vitally important information over a disagreement as small as the one between these two players. Two different opinions on the same matter shouldn't keep the entire paying population in the dark about what's really going on with exploits and cheats. Of course, this is the internet. A place where outlandish accusations can be made without a need to show proof and where one's e-honor is more important than anything else.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:44:00 - [133] Originally by: SkinSin 1) Stopping it at the source, which is better, but takes a lot of effort. if by 'takes a lot of effort' you mean, takes significantly less effort than investigating things on a case by case basis then yes. also waiting for the inevitable person to tell us ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP MACROS (that's one of my personal fav's) and what ever gave you the idea that banning accounts deters cheating?? you think if they ban a guy that people are convinced was cheating, is going to make all the people that actually cheat stop? LOL all they are going to get is petition after petition after petition to sort through and half-investigate and then what? start flipping coins and banning more accounts based off of questionable evidence? follow your thoughts through to conclusion. again, don't take it personally but you need to wake up to how things work in the real world. as i've pointed out, CCP would actually need to have some motivation to stop it. they don'y. they don't care, i'm not sure how many times i can say it. CCP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT CHEATING UNLESS IT'S RMT they know macros are a problem for the economy and that doesn't matter to them. selling features (and GTCs) is their interest. Not a polished game that is 'fair' for the average, non-cheating, player. they don't care about you, or me, or monkeys, or macros they care about # of active accounts, # of new accounts and # of GTCs sold and PR nightmares that effect those #'s (which this isn't) --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:45:00 - [134] Originally by: Raydn James Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Princess said he'll release the proof if CCP bans me :P. But make no mistake, he cares about cheating in the game. It's just his grudge is a lil more important. Right, Princess? After this comment and Princess's acknowledgement to it being true I can't help but feel like we're on one epic Troll at the moment. I would hope that no person would withhold such vitally important information over a disagreement as small as the one between these two players. Two different opinions on the same matter shouldn't keep the entire paying population in the dark about what's really going on with exploits and cheats. Of course, this is the internet. A place where outlandish accusations can be made without a need to show proof and where one's e-honor is more important than anything else. Actually, I was being facetious. My underlining point is that it's funny how mister Princess accuses CCP of not caring enough to fix cheating while at the same time only agreeing to release proof if CCP agrees to ban me because he hates me. Shows how much he cares about the cheating. Not that there was ever any doubt. Just the way he vehemently defends Monkeysphere's actions shows his ulterior motives. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:48:00 - [135] Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 11/08/2010 16:50:27 Originally by: SkinSin Hmmmm... so a ban where the person wasn't actually banned...?!? edit: So perhaps my logic hasn't failed as much as Pr1ncess Alia claims.... your logic: blah blah logically he should be banned me: he wasn't banned you: things flying over your head Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Actually, I was being facetious. My underlining point is that it's funny how mister Princess accuses CCP of not caring enough to fix cheating while at the same time only agreeing to release proof if CCP agrees to ban me because he hates me. Shows how much he cares about the cheating. Not that there was ever any doubt. Just the way he vehemently defends Monkeysphere's actions shows his ulterior motives. you're right. i should also be banned for not doing the right thing. just keep lashing out at everyone except the people you should be angry at. it's easier than admitting the truth: CCP doesn't care what you have to say it's really kinda sad watching you go through this. you really should biomass. i'm only trying to help YOU matrix --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Huhuhuhuhuhuh	Posted - 2010.08.11 16:59:00 - [136] Originally by: Dianeces A common problem among those who don't log in~ sowwy mate, if this was supposed to be a witty reply you utterly failed :(((
SkinSin	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:01:00 - [137] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia if by 'takes a lot of effort' you mean, takes significantly less effort than investigating things on a case by case basis then yes. Based on real life experiences. All you have to do is look out the window and see that getting to the root of an issue takes considerable time and effort, and because of this it is routinely skipped in favour or tackling the short term issue (like banging people up in jail rather than fixing the issues that leads to the crime). I never said it made sense. So yes. Tackle the root of the issue, but it also means that you have to punish anyone that commits the act. You don't let them off scot-free because they aren't the root of the problem (no actual ban, for instance...). Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia also waiting for the inevitable person to tell us ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP MACROS (that's one of my personal fav's) I presume that's got nothing to do with what I mentioned. Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia and what ever gave you the idea that banning accounts deters cheating?? you think if they ban a guy that people are convinced was cheating, is going to make all the people that actually cheat stop? LOL. I don't outside of my own personal experience, which are that people are more willing to break the rules if there is no chance of being found out and punished. This is why I put "Hopefully". Please read it again. Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia all they are going to get is petition after petition after petition to sort through and half-investigate and then what? start flipping coins and banning more accounts based off of questionable evidence? I didn't say it was perfect, but at some point, someone needs to decide on how much evidence is needed to show that someone was cheating. And whatever you set the bar at, someone will always say that this isn't enough. But again, this is no reason to NOT punish someone where there was categorical proof of cheating. It just sets a bad example of furthers the "CCP doesn't care" attitude that is going round at the moment. Which is why, if you have solid evidence like you claimed, you should present it to CCP and let them know. And finally, I'm not arguing about CCPs motivation or enthusiasm for doing this, just saying what should be done about cheaters.
debbie harrio	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:02:00 - [138] Edited by: debbie harrio on 11/08/2010 17:05:19 Just let me say this, The Injection that Monkeysphere used was very real, I have seen it in action, not only that but it had more options than just not showing up in local. This is in part due to CCP letting the client have to much control over information being sent to the server and all it takes is some ingenuity to access that information and modify it client side, you would be amazed at what actually is possible to modify, sig radius anyone? Warp to anything on directional scan? Warp to cloaked ships? there is a lot more. There was a story about someone fitting a doomsday to his shuttle or some small frig due to python injections but it raised a flag to the GM's. I abhor cheaters but it seems Eve is a magnet for them, maybe due to the griefing nature of the game but there are far more people using similar hacks to the 'sphere' than just the Monkeysphere, just because one way of abusing server info was patched up it doesn't mean that there are no more.
Amy Aimia	Posted - 2010.08.11 17:29:00 - [139] Originally by: Soma Khan you can't have it both ways. either the macro-ratters warp and cloak "instantly" or they sit there and let you kill them. which is it? regarding the issue of "instant warp" and your theorizing on human reaction vs macro, you'd never know since the ratter's belt could be over 14 au from the gate and by the time you warp close enough to scan they'd have enough time to warp away. in my opinion you're mostly talking out your ass You do understand there are nasty big asteroids in these various belts that inhabit null sec? Sometimes you land right in the middle of these big rocks floating in space and can get stuck on them. If a macro is stuck on one of these big rocks and tries to warp away, he will just sit there bouncing around until the ship clears it's warp path. Quit trying to argue just because you are mad. There are ** loads of macros out there and sometimes they ** up.
Soma Khan	Posted - 2010.08.11 20:25:00 - [140] Originally by: Amy Aimia Originally by: Soma Khan you can't have it both ways. either the macro-ratters warp and cloak "instantly" or they sit there and let you kill them. which is it? regarding the issue of "instant warp" and your theorizing on human reaction vs macro, you'd never know since the ratter's belt could be over 14 au from the gate and by the time you warp close enough to scan they'd have enough time to warp away. in my opinion you're mostly talking out your ass You do understand there are nasty big asteroids in these various belts that inhabit null sec? Sometimes you land right in the middle of these big rocks floating in space and can get stuck on them. If a macro is stuck on one of these big rocks and tries to warp away, he will just sit there bouncing around until the ship clears it's warp path. Quit trying to argue just because you are mad. There are ** loads of macros out there and sometimes they up. this is a complete non sequitur to understand why you'd have to read the post I was responding to. also, you'd have to have some reading comprehension Originally by:** CCP the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features CSM/CCP Meetings Minutes, June 2010
Tradew1nd	Posted - 2010.08.12 02:50:00 - [141] ITT: Trolls Trolling Trolls Trolling Trolls.
My Postman	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:22:00 - [142] It¦s sad to say, but again this thread is derailed, mostly by matrix and pricess. So the PL guys can sit still, or the both are PL alts anyway.
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.08.12 11:55:00 - [143] ****ing trolls..
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 12:50:00 - [144] Originally by: My Postman It¦s sad to say, but again this thread is derailed, mostly by matrix and pricess. So the PL guys can sit still, or the both are PL alts anyway. Would you be so kind as to point where exactly did I derail this thread?. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2010.08.12 13:52:00 - [145] Tinfoilhattery?
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:35:00 - [146] What is CCP to do if "their logs show nothing" when someone is alleged of cheating? Be it Monkeysphere, alleged macroers, or whoever. Should they just ban because someone is highly suspect? Now, if the logs were improved to show more... that might be a solution. Then again, this might be too much of an intrusion into the privacy of the players. Difficult topic, realy.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 15:54:00 - [147] Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium What is CCP to do if "their logs show nothing" when someone is alleged of cheating? Be it Monkeysphere, alleged macroers, or whoever. Should they just ban because someone is highly suspect? Now, if the logs were improved to show more... that might be a solution. Then again, this might be too much of an intrusion into the privacy of the players. Difficult topic, realy. I actually agree with you and it's why I didn't press CCP on the issue. They're known for their logs not showing anything. Personally, I'd hate to see them banning people without fail-proof facts supporting their claim someone is cheating. But you have to admit that even though "beyond-reasonable-doubt" facts were absent there is plenty of evidence suggesting that MS was clearly cheating. Hell, even some of his own alliance buddies admitted to it, though they justified it as if he was doing all of the Eve community a "service". Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Draconyx	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:35:00 - [148] Edited by: Draconyx on 12/08/2010 16:44:00 Conspiracy Theory Lets see.... A> TROLL B> There is a bug / bugs in the system that allows people to cheat. B1. - CCP knows nothing about it and nothing happens. B2. - CCP knows about it and are working to remove it, but won't discuss it till a fix has been found. B3. - CCP Knows about a bug but it can't be fixed short of destroying the game. B4. - CCP has better things to worry about then listen to the wining minority. Soooo B3a. - CCP does nothing other then quietly ban people they catch exploiting the bug. B3b. - CCP does nothing as long as its effect isn't felt to much and it doesn't get too much press. B3c. - CCP shuts down the game and starts from scratch. Pick your poison Oh and let me see if I got this correct, this cheat is being used against other cheaters..... Umm what exactly is the problem ???????????
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:51:00 - [149] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: My Postman It¦s sad to say, but again this thread is derailed, mostly by matrix and pricess. So the PL guys can sit still, or the both are PL alts anyway. Would you be so kind as to point where exactly did I derail this thread?. Matrix matrix matrix.... Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery. Help me help you. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:08:00 - [150] Originally by: Draconyx Oh and let me see if I got this correct, this cheat is being used against other cheaters..... Umm what exactly is the problem ??????????? That it can and WAS used on players that weren't cheating. It's how the cheat was exposed in the first place. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!

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