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Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.24 15:35:00 - [211] My experience is other wise. When the station loads, my timer is 20-23 seconds. Right after i click agents, dismiss locator, mission complete, i only have 0-10 seconds left on the timer. Load/strip will cause weapons to upgroup, and mods will randomly be scattered once you leave the station. this is HORRIBLE. There is a reason i switch ships. and its because its a tested-and-true time saver.
Trebor Whettam	Posted - 2010.08.24 15:47:00 - [212] Originally by: Moose Burger My experience is other wise. When the station loads, my timer is 20-23 seconds. Right after i click agents, dismiss locator, mission complete, i only have 0-10 seconds left on the timer. Load/strip will cause weapons to upgroup, and mods will randomly be scattered once you leave the station. this is HORRIBLE. There is a reason i switch ships. and its because its a tested-and-true time saver. Rearranging and regrouping the icons is a PITA, although it can be done while warping. For the record, I don't think this is actually better than having separate prefit ships, it's just a cheaper entry point that allows the use of specialized at a lower entry cost.
Anddeh McNab Matari Department of Gun Control	Posted - 2010.08.24 16:25:00 - [213] And the fact the in-game fitting tool is broken as f*ck. Regularly seems to forgot to equip mods or online them.
Manipulator General o.0	Posted - 2010.08.24 18:32:00 - [214] Originally by: Anddeh McNab And the fact the in-game fitting tool is broken as f*ck. Regularly seems to forgot to equip mods or online them. I refuse to believe that anything is broken. Please stop spreading rumours, as per that thing about not spreading rumours. Thanks.
JonnyRandom	Posted - 2010.08.24 19:26:00 - [215] Hi Moose Burger, I'm very impressed by your mission running. I know of players cherry picking missions by declining poor ones, but you take it to a whole new level. I've got a question for you (or anyone willing), if you don't mind. You say to get Faction standings up so that I can then decline a whole load of missions and still be able to accept missions from the agent. However, although my Faction standings would allow me to continue to take missions, wouldn't the crappy standings with the agent/corporation (because of all the declines) translate to very poor mission/LP rewards? And also, how exactly are you able to get your Faction standing so high in such a short amount of time? I know of the traditional way of just doing missions and then the storylines, but that would take several months of grinding every day, I would think. And the Faction Standing Repair Plan by DeMichael doesn't seem like it would be any faster. Is there some other way, then, that you get fast Faction standings on your characters? If it is not a secret, would you share it please? Thanks in advance!
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.24 20:04:00 - [216] Originally by: JonnyRandom Hi Moose Burger, I'm very impressed by your mission running. I know of players cherry picking missions by declining poor ones, but you take it to a whole new level. I've got a question for you (or anyone willing), if you don't mind. You say to get Faction standings up so that I can then decline a whole load of missions and still be able to accept missions from the agent. However, although my Faction standings would allow me to continue to take missions, wouldn't the crappy standings with the agent/corporation (because of all the declines) translate to very poor mission/LP rewards? And also, how exactly are you able to get your Faction standing so high in such a short amount of time? I know of the traditional way of just doing missions and then the storylines, but that would take several months of grinding every day, I would think. And the Faction Standing Repair Plan by DeMichael doesn't seem like it would be any faster. Is there some other way, then, that you get fast Faction standings on your characters? If it is not a secret, would you share it please? Thanks in advance! Use multiple characters to pull the best missions, do not take standings hits by declining missions over and over. Faction standings are obtained that way with the use of Tags at Data Centers. That is how he did it.
Salvage Contractor	Posted - 2010.08.24 20:21:00 - [217] Originally by: Prince Deimos Faction standings are obtained that way with the use of Tags at Data Centers. That is how he did it. Getting your faction to 7+ via tags is quite expensive especially considering a 0-5 months old character. Though one could speculate that factions were raised to 4 or maybe even 5 via tags (still expensive) and the rest was done via Cosmos missions.
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.24 20:46:00 - [218] Originally by: Salvage Contractor Originally by: Prince Deimos Faction standings are obtained that way with the use of Tags at Data Centers. That is how he did it. Getting your faction to 7+ via tags is quite expensive especially considering a 0-5 months old character. Though one could speculate that factions were raised to 4 or maybe even 5 via tags (still expensive) and the rest was done via Cosmos missions. The guy spent over 12 bil that we know of on characters. He biomassed a character because he did not feel 1.2bil was worth it. I think he could spare the 500mil in tags to get all the way through a series of Amarr, Caldari and Ammatar data centers (combined they will get you over 7)
Salvage Contractor	Posted - 2010.08.24 20:50:00 - [219] Originally by: Prince Deimos The guy spent over 12 bil that we know of on characters. He biomassed a character because he did not feel 1.2bil was worth it. I think he could spare the 500mil in tags to get all the way through a series of Amarr, Caldari and Ammatar data centers (combined they will get you over 7) Except that he had to buy the tags before he started running Level 4 missions whereas he seemed to have bought the characters after he made ISK off of said L4s.
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.24 22:07:00 - [220] Originally by: Salvage Contractor Originally by: Prince Deimos The guy spent over 12 bil that we know of on characters. He biomassed a character because he did not feel 1.2bil was worth it. I think he could spare the 500mil in tags to get all the way through a series of Amarr, Caldari and Ammatar data centers (combined they will get you over 7) Except that he had to buy the tags before he started running Level 4 missions whereas he seemed to have bought the characters after he made ISK off of said L4s. He claims he got the isk using Frozean running missions, with all his glorious 4mil sp to make 10bil in a couple months. He claims a lot of things. I do not know what Frozean's faction standings were when he was biomassed, I never bothered to check and do not see them cached on google. More likely, he ran some missions, probably did not make enough to buy better mission characters so he used his JKLSHDFLJKFSD money, or $ or Pounds or whatever he is claiming to be to go out and buy a bunch of Plex for sale in game. Used that isk for characters that already had some standings and bought tags for the ones who didn't.

Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.24 22:28:00 - [221] Edited by: Moose Burger on 24/08/2010 22:29:36 Well, the speed that i play, when i bought my golem pilot, it had horrible minmatar standings. im saying -6 or below. In 16 days, i swung his minmatar standings from -4.xx to 8.50 just by abusing diplomacy, some tutorials, and mass storylines. As proof that its storylines, my "allied with minmatar" factions are all at its "max" minmatar standings. 7.xx gallente, 4.xx thukker tribe etc etc. Now, as i said, even if you reject 30-50 missions per storyline, your FACTION STANDINGS will hold equal. Moreover! your corporation standing will always be above 3.00. Remember, as your corp standings goes lower and lower, every decrease will be in smaller proportions, and every increase will be in bigger proportions. I dont know the exact calculation, but once you hit 3.00, rejecting a mission nets you -0.05~-0.3 while finishing a mission gives a whopping 0.5-1.0 At the rate i reject, i reject approximately 12-14 missions out of the pool of 33 missions, my corp standings never went below 4.00 so im fine. Dont use a different character. Firstly you cant use characters in the same account, and secondly, your reward will not magically double to 3m and time reward to 3m although some people think otherwise. And thirdly, assuming it really works like i think it does, your alt will have to warp your main into wateva place to go. This is a huge waste of time and apm, as piloting a golem is very skill and apm intensive
Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.24 22:43:00 - [222] So as long as your standings is repairable to -1.99, you just have to keep doing missions and storylines. You get the benefit of getting corp standings, faction standings, and still earn LP by doing lv 4's at the same time. Btw if you dont know already, there is a troll lurking here who keeps putting words into my mouth. Please do yourself a favor and ignore him. 3 storylines a day is enough to get your faction standings from -4.xx to positive 8.50+ very quickly
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.08.25 00:04:00 - [223] Originally by: Moose Burger 3 storylines a day is enough to get your faction standings from -4.xx to positive 8.50+ very quickly That ** is ing hardcore. I don't have the endurance for that. Nor the time... my wife would kill me. -Liang -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.25 00:18:00 - [224] Edited by: Moose Burger on 25/08/2010 00:21:03 Well, on average my missions takes 8-9 minutes each after i start rejecting "vengeance" for yielding low isk/hour. Sounds like a grind. but its fasting season , so until my holiday ends, i have nothing to do in the day, so i spend 5-8 hours playing , letting me earn 150k-240k LP a day. ( ussualy i stop after i rounded a bPC) P.S: i already flooded the market with 300-400 faction items and the price are still holding. Just the tags prices are going up, real quickly.
JonnyRandom	Posted - 2010.08.25 01:27:00 - [225] Edited by: JonnyRandom on 25/08/2010 01:28:23 Holey **** . You do 48+3 missions? Did you start with Frozean at that rate, too? I mean Frozean had to start with a T1 BS first, since he was your first character. P.S What are you flying in those screenshots?
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:55:00 - [226] That's a) impressive work, and b) have you talked to your doctor about autism and OCD? I suggest that we all let this thread fall in obscurity before mission running income crashes via copycats or attracts CCP's attention. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.25 06:03:00 - [227] hey weather i like it or not, once i start working, i will be in front of a computer for 9 hours every day at least, except this time i will have to cope with co-workers and bosses.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.25 16:45:00 - [228] Originally by: stoicfaux That's a) impressive work, and b) have you talked to your doctor about autism and OCD? I suggest that we all let this thread fall in obscurity before mission running income crashes via copycats or attracts CCP's attention. CCP has the hard numbers and know mission running doesn't need nerfed. OP is completely fraudulent as he illustrated making 32 mil an hour and claimed 80-100. Now of course I realize that he got a ****load of LP for his effort and redeemed them for items then ISK. However, we have no idea how much time he spent doing so or how much he got. All we have is his word. The industry standard is 1000isk/lp and people claim they can get 2000. I don't doubt you can get 2k, but i doubt you can get 2k with 0 time investment, and I doubt you can get it every time. The point of the thread is well taken and understood, that with a 10+ billion ISK investment you can make back a very small percentage of it per hour. I wouldn't worry about people copying it. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:25:00 - [229] Originally by: Cipher Jones The industry standard is 1000isk/lp Just LOL. There are many items in all of the LP stores which will easily=effortlessly net you 2k, there are some items which will net you substantially more than that. Put in the time to figure out which ones those are and stop converting your LP to faction ammo, srsly.
Trebor Whettam	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:34:00 - [230] Originally by: Cipher Jones The industry standard is 1000isk/lp Wow, the industry standard is 1000isk/lp? I have a hard time believing that. Every month I save up to buy the Raven Navy Issue Blueprint, because everyone say blueprints are awesome, and that's the most expensive, so it has to be best, right? The minerals are free, because I mine them in my Rokh, but I have to spend 200mil isk and 500,000 lp for the print. These things aren't free. But it's all good, because F90 buys them from me for 300 mil. 100 mil profit!!! And he has someone pick it up right from my station, so I don't have to do anything. It's pretty sweet. But I think that's only 200 isk/lp (my math isn't real good). There's no way people are getting 1000 isk/lp. (You're right about one thing. People won't bother to copy Frozean's techniques.)

Brother PodKiller	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:12:00 - [231] Originally by: Cipher Jones The industry standard is 1000isk/lp and people claim they can get 2000. I don't doubt you can get 2k, but i doubt you can get 2k with 0 time investment, and I doubt you can get it every time. nvm the fact that 1k is pathetic return on LP to isk others have already pointed out how silly that is... did you read any of this thread? I know it is 8 pages, but most of it is answering this same question over and over. While missioning, he uses remote buy orders to buy tags, and materials. He buys items from the LP when he docks up. he then uses remote manufacturing skills to build stuff. He then uses remote sell orders, and contracts to sell it. He contracts Red Frog to move all that stuff around for him. He includes the cost of Red Frog in his calculations. By doing all of this he doesn't spend any "extra" time turning LP into isk, because he can do it all while still missioning. So please no more posts about how "you have to account for time to turn lp into isk". HE DOES THAT! If you want to argue that his accounting of that time is bad, or that something is is wrong feel free but once you ask for how he accounts for something and he supplies that info you need to respond to that and quit sticking your fingers in your ear going "nope not real, can't do it". Summary of thread: Haters: You need to account for it. Frozen: Ok, here is how. Haters: You need to account for it. Frozen: I totally did, look here at my numbers? You see anything wrong with them? Haters: You need to account for it. Frozen: My head hurts.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:49:00 - [232] Originally by: Brother PodKiller Originally by: Cipher Jones The industry standard is 1000isk/lp and people claim they can get 2000. I don't doubt you can get 2k, but i doubt you can get 2k with 0 time investment, and I doubt you can get it every time. nvm the fact that 1k is pathetic return on LP to isk others have already pointed out how silly that is... did you read any of this thread? I know it is 8 pages, but most of it is answering this same question over and over. While missioning, he uses remote buy orders to buy tags, and materials. He buys items from the LP when he docks up. he then uses remote manufacturing skills to build stuff. He then uses remote sell orders, and contracts to sell it. He contracts Red Frog to move all that stuff around for him. He includes the cost of Red Frog in his calculations. By doing all of this he doesn't spend any "extra" time turning LP into isk, because he can do it all while still missioning. So please no more posts about how "you have to account for time to turn lp into isk". HE DOES THAT! If you want to argue that his accounting of that time is bad, or that something is is wrong feel free but once you ask for how he accounts for something and he supplies that info you need to respond to that and quit sticking your fingers in your ear going "nope not real, can't do it". Summary of thread: Haters: You need to account for it. Frozen: Ok, here is how. Haters: You need to account for it. Frozen: I totally did, look here at my numbers? You see anything wrong with them? Haters: You need to account for it. Frozen: My head hurts. Lol ask me if I read the thread. Yes. Did you? Because he said he buys and sells while missioning but the wallet screenshot says otherwise. Its like playboy, some people look at the pictures and some people read it, but if yore reading it AND not looking at it, epic lol's to you... When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Brother PodKiller	Posted - 2010.08.25 20:06:00 - [233] Originally by: Cipher Jones Lol ask me if I read the thread. Yes. Did you? Because he said he buys and sells while missioning but the wallet screenshot says otherwise. Its like playboy, some people look at the pictures and some people read it, but if yore reading it AND not looking at it, epic lol's to you... wow.. you just keep proving you don't read the thread. When asked for the screen shots of his wallet he said he couldn't give you his current wallet cuss it contained too many market orders to show his mission rewards. So, he did a 30 min stretch where he tried to get no market orders going just to show the guy asking for the time stamp. Please... read the thread or GTFO.
Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.25 22:19:00 - [234] I think a 3 hour stretch was enough to prove my point.(again, please look at the screens first) I ussualy play till i get a storyline (takes 1.8-2.5 hours) and stop. Then i stop playing and stretch and continue later. Someone even posted a simple way to get 3.5K isk per LP. FYI, as long as you work with gallente/amarr/minmatar, all three of this factions has items which sell for well above 3K isk per lP Im not going to reveal them of course. But as long as you keep abusing excel and find contract market loopholes, you can easily make huge ammounts of isk with no time investment. Just by setting up correct contracts at the correct time.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.25 22:27:00 - [235] Originally by: Brother PodKiller Originally by: Cipher Jones Lol ask me if I read the thread. Yes. Did you? Because he said he buys and sells while missioning but the wallet screenshot says otherwise. Its like playboy, some people look at the pictures and some people read it, but if yore reading it AND not looking at it, epic lol's to you... wow.. you just keep proving you don't read the thread. When asked for the screen shots of his wallet he said he couldn't give you his current wallet cuss it contained too many market orders to show his mission rewards. So, he did a 30 min stretch where he tried to get no market orders going just to show the guy asking for the time stamp. Please... read the thread or GTFO. The links on the first page are not to a 30 minute stretch so YOU read or GTFO. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Ydra Ko'Zyn	Posted - 2010.08.25 22:56:00 - [236] Originally by: Moose Burger Im not going to reveal them of course. But as long as you keep abusing excel and find contract market loopholes, you can easily make huge ammounts of isk with no time investment. Just by setting up correct contracts at the correct time. but this is only for people that are willing to build overly detailed excel spreadsheets that track every input. So sure if you invest a lot of personal time building a document that tracks every item for every faction and the cost involved then yeah it's easy. I think the fact that you can get 3.5k per lp means that there are a lot of people out there that aren't, and why you don't want to revel the items. personally I've tried to find the big lp return items for various factions and only was only able to find a 1200lp return. So yeah I believe your numbers. I just don't think that they are attainable for 90% of the players out there. ps. please feel free to evemail me lp some hints and I'II send you some good karma :)
Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.25 22:59:00 - [237] I update my isk/hour, rewards, and LP value by alt-tabbing while warping and mission running. Thus it doesnt lower my isk/hour
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.08.25 22:59:00 - [238] Originally by: Ydra Ko'Zyn Originally by: Moose Burger Im not going to reveal them of course. But as long as you keep abusing excel and find contract market loopholes, you can easily make huge ammounts of isk with no time investment. Just by setting up correct contracts at the correct time. but this is only for people that are willing to build overly detailed excel spreadsheets that track every input. So sure if you invest a lot of personal time building a document that tracks every item for every faction and the cost involved then yeah it's easy. I think the fact that you can get 3.5k per lp means that there are a lot of people out there that aren't, and why you don't want to revel the items. personally I've tried to find the big lp return items for various factions and only was only able to find a 1200lp return. So yeah I believe your numbers. I just don't think that they are attainable for 90% of the players out there. ps. please feel free to evemail me lp some hints and I'II send you some good karma :) Or you could just read the thread. :P -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Ydra Ko'Zyn	Posted - 2010.08.25 23:12:00 - [239] I've read the entire thread, and yes thanks for the EANM tip. I'm certainly not debating that these numbers are not true. I just don't believe it's that easy to find +3k lp items for each Faction as the Moose says it is. ...and no I'm not lazy or mentally challenged. I'm married with little kids which impacts my game time.
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.08.26 06:31:00 - [240] I am getting 2500 ISK/LP and can easily get that much and higher for all factions I've run for, especially higher for Amarr with all these Armor HAC gangs. So I don't see the issue. LP conversion spreadsheets aren't hard to make, each faction has a set of about 3-4 tags it needs, you set those prices and the tracking every single item in an LP store is very very easy. It just takes a little mental arithmetic and dexterity to be able to quickly calculate which BPCs (hint hint) are worth it and which aren't before you bother putting them into a spreadsheet.



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