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Emsee
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Riedle
Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 15:19:31
Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 15:19:01
Originally by: TimMc
The Independent gave a voice of rationality (mixed with sarcasm)
America just needs to decide if they are a free society, following the constitution or not.
And sure you can build a gay bar there, if its a heavily muslim community in the area then you may find it hard to keep running though. Fox News are just creating drama and dividing the country with this crap.
If the Mosque (and that's what it is) owners really want to 'build bridges' with the west then they would be respectful and choose to move the construction site away from their current proposed site. As it is most fair minded people view it as a poke in the eye and that is exactly what it reeks as.
I don't understand this logic. Should the Muslims behind the community center not build it because they are supposed to feel guilty that they practise a religion that is loosely related to the twisted version that the 9/11 hijackers did? And it simply isn't a Mosque. Mosques do not have auditoriums, swimming pools, basketball courts, food canteens etc. You might as well call a hospital a church if it has a prayer room in it.
TimMc is right, this issue is being exploited by the American right to score points against Obama. Obama rightfully can't oppose the Mosque as it would be unconstitutional as well as un-American to do so.
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Riedle
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:08:00 -
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I don't understand this logic. Should the Muslims behind the community center not build it because they are supposed to feel guilty that they practise a religion that is loosely related to the twisted version that the 9/11 hijackers did?
No, they should move the location of the Mosque complex to another area that isn't so emotionally sensitive to the MAJORITY of Americans and THIS Canadian.
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And it simply isn't a Mosque. Mosques do not have auditoriums, swimming pools, basketball courts, food canteens etc. You might as well call a hospital a church if it has a prayer room in it.
It is a Mosque. Obama even called it a Mosque. It will have other facilities associated with it but it does contain a mosque.
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TimMc is right, this issue is being exploited by the American right to score points against Obama. Obama rightfully can't oppose the Mosque as it would be unconstitutional as well as un-American to do so.
Obama has it right. He said they have the right to do so which is obvious to everyone that they do.
Obama decided NOT to comment on the WISDOM of building one there however.
It is not a wise thing to do especially since their stated goal is to act as an outreach centre. It is akin to building a Museum of the History of White People next to Auschwitz.
It is offensive and if they continue to refuse to relocate it it will be rightly viewed as being purposefully offensive.
They don't have to feel guilty - they SHOULD feel respectful.
If you can't get that logic then I don't know what to tell ya.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 25/08/2010 16:18:30
Imbeciles.
And i'm not saying that because i care about this mosque being built or not, it's just staggering to me people still think bin laden did it after the FBI themselves saying theres no evidence linking him to it. The translations of his messages merely have him praising whoever did it, and NEVER claiming responsibility. And you know he'd jump at the chance to admit he did it, if he actually did. On top of that, alot of the people who are said to have hijacked those planes under orders from bin laden, have a habit of turning up alive all over the globe.
The US media can convince some people of anything if they repeat it enough. That's the only place where this fantasy about muslims doing 9/11 exists. It simply doesn't hold water in reality.
You probably won't believe me, because i'm not on the TV, but there it is.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled 2 minutes hate.
My Warmest Regards.
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Riedle
Minmatar
Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 25/08/2010 16:18:30
Imbeciles.
And i'm not saying that because i care about this mosque being built or not, it's just staggering to me people still think bin laden did it after the FBI themselves saying theres no evidence linking him to it. The translations of his messages merely have him praising whoever did it, and NEVER claiming responsibility. And you know he'd jump at the chance to admit he did it, if he actually did. On top of that, alot of the people who are said to have hijacked those planes under orders from bin laden, have a habit of turning up alive all over the globe.
The US media can convince some people of anything if they repeat it enough. That's the only place where this fantasy about muslims doing 9/11 exists. It simply doesn't hold water in reality.
You probably won't believe me, because i'm not on the TV, but there it is.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled 2 minutes hate.
2 minutes of hate?
I only took one minute to read your 9/11 conspiracy non-sense. Ironiocally it is the conspiracy nutters who are the one's motivated by hate.
All the looney conspiracies have been proven over and over again to be the stuff of fantasy and yet people like you continue to believe them. I bet you dollars to doughnuts you are an atheist as well and don't believe in a God because there is no 'proof' yet you choose to believe something ******ed like the 9/11 conspracies, ironiocally - when there is SO much proof against it.
It's sadly laughable.
I was wondering how long it would take for the conspiracy nutters to jump on this.
Thank you
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ChaeDoc II
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
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No, they should move the location of the Mosque complex to another area that isn't so emotionally sensitive to the MAJORITY of Americans and THIS Canadian.
Lol, "mosque complex"? Stop imcluding the word mosque unless you're willing to call all buildings with a chapel a "church complex".
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It is a Mosque. Obama even called it a Mosque. It will have other facilities associated with it but it does contain a mosque.
It's not a mosque. It going to contain a prayer room, so do many muslims houses. Does that mean they live in mosques?
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Obama has it right. He said they have the right to do so which is obvious to everyone that they do.
Obama decided NOT to comment on the WISDOM of building one there however.
Finally, a factually accurate statement. Third time's a charm.
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It is not a wise thing to do especially since their stated goal is to act as an outreach centre. It is akin to building a Museum of the History of White People next to Auschwitz.
It is offensive and if they continue to refuse to relocate it it will be rightly viewed as being purposefully offensive.
They don't have to feel guilty - they SHOULD feel respectful.
If you can't get that logic then I don't know what to tell ya.
I'd be disappointed to hear of a Museum of the History of White People anywhere, not just near Auschwitz.
For what it's worth when i heard there was to be a mosque built at ground zero i was quite ****ed off about it, i'm from the UK so even further from the US than Canada.
Then when i read about it and discovered that it wasn't going to be at ground zero at all, that it'd be 2 blocks away i started to wonder wtf all the fuss was about, idiots.
Then i learn that it's not even a ****ing mosque, it's a bloody expensive community centre with a basketball court, swimming pool and all sorts of fun stuff to do... oh, and it will have an area for prayer then you can imagine my laughter turning to disbelief.
THEN i find that the right win are trying to create an evil, terrorist, public hate-figure out of a moderate, peaceful imam and then i wonder why the **** we're on the Americans side if they're so stupid as to fall for this obvious and complete fabrication of a story drummed up by the right and the far-right in that supposed "great country".
And dont get me started on the hypocricy of it all.
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:34:00 -
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Should have maybe used some punctuation in that last paragraph there, eh? 
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Riedle
Minmatar
Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:36:00 -
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Lol, "mosque complex"? Stop imcluding the word mosque unless you're willing to call all buildings with a chapel a "church complex".
Umm. No? Because that's what it is. It's a Mosque with other assorted facilities. Why are you getting hung up on that? You don't want there to be a mosque there as well?
If so then we agree.
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It's not a mosque. It going to contain a prayer room, so do many muslims houses. Does that mean they live in mosques?
No, it's going to contain a MOSQUE.
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ôBut if we say that a mosque and community center should not be built near the perimeter of the World Trade Center site, we would compromise our commitment to fighting terror with freedom.
ôWe would undercut the values and principles that so many heroes died protecting. We would feed the false impressions that some Americans have about Muslims. We would send a signal around the world that Muslim Americans may be equal in the eyes of the law, but separate in the eyes of their countrymen. And we would hand a valuable propaganda tool to terrorist recruiters, who spread the fallacy that America is at war with Islam.ö
-Mayor Bloomberg
THIS from a guy that supports the idea. There is no contention that there is a MOSQUE going there. Please, at least let's agree on the facts.
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Finally, a factually accurate statement. Third time's a charm.
All of my facts are factual. I even provided proof.
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I'd be disappointed to hear of a Museum of the History of White People anywhere, not just near Auschwitz.
Why? That's odd. Do you have an issue with, for example, Black History month?
lol
If not, why not? Hypocrite much?
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For what it's worth when i heard there was to be a mosque built at ground zero i was quite ****ed off about it, i'm from the UK so even further from the US than Canada.
Then when i read about it and discovered that it wasn't going to be at ground zero at all, that it'd be 2 blocks away i started to wonder wtf all the fuss was about, idiots.
FYI - the world trade centre was over 10 blocks. The area where the MOSQUE and "community centre" are going where blocked off for months after 9/11. But yeah, you're right - not close at all. But this is even pointless. People are upset that a MOSQUE and "community centre" are going to be located there. I can bet that these people know the geography of it all better than you and me as they, you know, live there.
If these developers are really interested in 'outreach' then they would build this "complex" in another site.
They DO have the right to build there but they should be responsible and not do so. See how that works?
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Then i learn that it's not even a ****ing mosque,
Incorrect. It IS a mosque and "community centre". Honestly, learn the facts of the matter on this lest you continue to look the fool.
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it's a bloody expensive community centre with a basketball court, swimming pool and all sorts of fun stuff to do... oh, and it will have an area for prayer then you can imagine my laughter turning to disbelief.
The centrepiece is a MOSQUE. lol some people just refuse to educate themselves.
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THEN i find that the right win are trying to create an evil, terrorist, public hate-figure out of a moderate, peaceful imam and then i wonder why the **** we're on the Americans side if they're so stupid as to fall for this obvious and complete fabrication of a story drummed up by the right and the far-right in that supposed "great country".
And dont get me started on the hypocricy of it all.
Nice rant. In fact, this is not an overly ideological story.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-18/new-york-voters-oppose-mosque-project-near-9-11-site-siena-survey-finds.htmlThe Majority of Americans and New Yorkers disagree with it across all political spectrums, classes, race and age groups.[/url
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 25/08/2010 17:01:27
I'm not going to play a game of edit to quote to edit to quote with you but one little funny i will pick out is this:
"Why? That's odd. Do you have an issue with, for example, Black History month?
lol
If not, why not? Hypocrite much?"
Assumption much?
Edit to ask: Not for a second accepting that a building that contains an area of prayer automatically makes the whole building a mosque, i'd still like to ask this.
If these Muslims promised to use the actual mosque that is already 2 blocks from where this community centre is to be built whenever they want to pray, will you then say "ok, this building will contain nothing that could be believed to be a mosque so please go ahead with your community centre and good day to you"?
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Riedle
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: ChaeDoc II
I'm not going to play a game of edit to quote to edit to quote with you but one little funny i will pick out is this:
"Why? That's odd. Do you have an issue with, for example, Black History month?
lol
If not, why not? Hypocrite much?"
Assumption much?
You could have just linked an avatar of a white flag being waved back and forth and saved yourself some keystrokes.
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:04:00 -
[40]
Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 25/08/2010 17:05:13
Originally by: Riedle
Originally by: ChaeDoc II
I'm not going to play a game of edit to quote to edit to quote with you but one little funny i will pick out is this:
"Why? That's odd. Do you have an issue with, for example, Black History month?
lol
If not, why not? Hypocrite much?"
Assumption much?
You could have just linked an avatar of a white flag being waved back and forth and saved yourself some keystrokes.
Now you're just being childish which kind of makes me pleased i'm not wasting my time discussing this with you.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:08:00 -
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Keith Olbermann : There Is NO "Ground Zero MOSQUE"
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:14:00 -
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World English Dictionary
mosque (mɒsk)
ù n
masjid , Also called: musjid a Muslim place of worship, usually having one or more minarets and often decorated with elaborate tracery and texts from the Koran
[C14: earlier mosquee, from Old French via Italian moschea, ultimately from Arabic masjid temple, place of prostration]
funny how a room in a building which is being used for something completely different doesnt seem to fit that definition.
The site has a prayer room because not having one in a building which is in part designed to be used by people who practice Islam would be idiotic. The fact that the word mosque is used in relation to the project is simply because every right wing media outlet has been bleating the same **** about it as loudly as they can.
The simple fact is that the only people whos opinions should matter are the people of Manhatten, who either dont care or actively support it. Lets not forget that over 400 of the people who died on 9/11 were muslim as well, or do the scarey brown people with the funny religion not get to make official use of a site they've already been using for over a year because their dead dont matter.
This is simple racism and religious bigotry trying to disguise itself behind false facts and distorted media coverage.
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ChaeDoc II
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Darek Castigatus
Lets not forget that over 400 of the people who died on 9/11 were muslim as well, or do the scarey brown people with the funny religion not get to make official use of a site they've already been using for over a year because their dead dont matter.
Well... 400 to you and me, 240 to the far right.
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Riedle
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:21:00 -
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The simple fact is that the only people whos opinions should matter are the people of Manhatten, who either dont care or actively support it
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Incorrect. According to the Poll I already posted New Yorkers are against it.
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Lets not forget that over 400 of the people who died on 9/11 were muslim as well, or do the scarey brown people with the funny religion not get to make official use of a site they've already been using for over a year because their dead dont matter.
Aww.. that's cute. Two more posts and then we talk about ****** amirite?
Some pretty influential Muslim leaders are against it as well. Are they racists as well?
PS: you do know Islam is a religion not a race correct? There are lots of cracker muslims too. Now who's sterotyping? lol
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This is simple racism and religious bigotry trying to disguise itself behind false facts and distorted media coverage.
I guess when you have a small mind it's easier to make the story nice and simple so you can pretend to understand it.
Here is a link of Muslims against the proposal.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:26:00 -
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As a Brit I have a general sentiment that religion should be discreet and not mixed up with politics.
This is not the case in the USA where some people fly their religious colours with their political colours in one unified agenda. To me a politician that overtly is of one religious persuasion implicitly rejects citizens that are of another religious persuasion.
I just wish all the religious orders could create some sort of commonwealth organisation to promote good feeling and general spiritual discussion. But no chance of that.
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Riedle
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 17:33:43
Originally by: Akita T
Keith Olbermann : There Is NO "Ground Zero MOSQUE"
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Please, Keith Olbermann?
The guy is a media *****.
First they came for the communists? lol
No one is coming for anyone in this story but leave it to go old Olbermann to tell us the sky is falling. The facts are clear. They projects leaders want to build a Mosque near the 9/11 site and this is making people upset as they feel it is disrespectful to alot of people.
The majority of Americans and the Majority of New Yorkers are against this, both of which I provided proof of. But I guess they are all a bunch of knuckle dragging *** members eh?
No one is saying that they don't have a RIGHT to do this but that said, you can still be against them doing it and you don't have to be a racist or an intolerant person to feel this way.
There are muslims that are against this proposal as well!
I think the only one's FOR this project are the politically correct kool-aid drinkers who are for anything that they perceive ****es off WASPS so they can bask in their own perceived, self indulgent, glorious empathy.
It's really quite funny.
Anyways, it's a moot point. No construction company in New York is going to be affiliated with this project at all. It's not going to happen.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:37:00 -
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a part of me  just want that USA dont allow this to happen and ban any other mosque licenses across the country not because i am against a religion just because this will make more ppl point at USA and call it intolerant, the world just need more reasons and number to call USA intolerant
in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS
if you are from USA and you say u are tolerant then stand up and speak up make sign list that support this and make a protest to support the mosque, tolerance and freedom
Originally by: CCP Adida
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Ella C'Tronix
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:49:00 -
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I don't understand why this is in "debate" at all. LOL @ moving it somewhere "less emotionally sensitive". Some bad stuff happened somewhere. We get it. You can't discriminate against a religious group and tell them not to build in a neighborhood just because your lack of understanding of religious differences amongst a particular belief and it's subdivisions leaves the idea in your mind that these innocent people are somehow responsible. Go build more shopping malls, starbucks, etc near "ground zero". Clearly that's more morally sound than a community centre and mosque. 
Please lock this f***ing thread already, it's full of neanderthals, racists, trolls and idiots AND more importantly, in violation of forum rules.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue
As a Brit I have a general sentiment that religion should be discreet and not mixed up with politics.
This is not the case in the USA where some people fly their religious colours with their political colours in one unified agenda. To me a politician that overtly is of one religious persuasion implicitly rejects citizens that are of another religious persuasion.
I just wish all the religious orders could create some sort of commonwealth organisation to promote good feeling and general spiritual discussion. But no chance of that.
For as much as the US touts the separation of church and state, you have to remember that many of the pioneers that settled the US came for freedom of religion which they could not find in their own lands.
So in a way, it's a psychological inheritance of our ancestors. Sad but true.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Keith Olbermann : There Is NO "Ground Zero MOSQUE"
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I have trouble with people that will use political freedoms to their own destruction.
It's like the snake eating its tail. Yes, you may have the right to do something, but does that mean the action is in good taste? Concern for how your fellow citizens feel should also play a part.
9/11 is starting to become a footnote in history, but on that day terrible pain was set loose as we saw friends, relatives, spouses, children die before our very eyes on TV.
Those on the airplanes not knowing their fate...telephoning their loved ones before the impact. Those in the buildings struggling to get out and some just leaping to their death out the windows. Those firefighter and police officers rushing in to help as the building came down on them. All because someone wanted to make a religious point?
And now that religion is talking about rights to build?
It takes major balls to make that demand. Major balls.
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Riedle
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 18:07:38
I have pretty much said all that I wanted to say on this but just HAD to point out this laugher:
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in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS
lol
So be free and tolerant but never state your opinion if disagrees with yours.
Wow, that is SO tolerant and free.
I mean, really. How can some people say such dumb things?
lol
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oh, more words of wisdom from the people who preech about 'freedom'
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Please lock this f***ing thread already, it's full of neanderthals, racists, trolls and idiots AND more importantly, in violation of forum rules.
Agree with me or I will take away your right to voice your opinion.
So tolerant.
lol
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
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in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS
lol
So be free and tolerant but never state your opinion if disagrees with yours.
u cant disagree on liberties
Originally by: CCP Adida
The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Blood Ghost
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Keith Olbermann : There Is NO "Ground Zero MOSQUE"
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Oohh thats refreshing :D
Originally by: CCP Shadow
It's over, Prime. *click*
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:23:00 -
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in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS
In a religious dictatorship, you don't have this discussion either...because you CANT.
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Riedle
Minmatar
Wayne's TV and Appliances
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Riedle
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in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS
lol
So be free and tolerant but never state your opinion if disagrees with yours.
u cant disagree on liberties
Uhh... Yes you can - that is called freedom of expression and conscience.
And also, I said several times that they have a RIGHT to build the Mosque.
I also said that they should be respectful and build it somewhere else. That is what people are saying and they have the RIGHT to say it.
I'm sorry you are having difficulties recognizing what rights and freedoms are.
There are lots of Mosques in the USA - you knew that right?
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 25/08/2010 18:31:02
Fine, no mosque near places where Islam has done horrible things.
However, since we aren't hypocrites, we'll also have to hold every other religion to the same standard. For example, that means no churches allowed anywhere near a Christian or branch of Christianity has done anything that anyone might not like (including existing churches: those with redeeming architectural or historical features will be converted to a more productive use, the rest will be bulldozed and the land sold to the highest non-church bidder). What? You mean we effectively just banned churches? Awesome. It's not like they were good for anything anyway.
Oh wait, I forgot, Islam is the only religion where we don't recognize that there are different factions with different ideologies and we blame everyone for the actions of a single group.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:30:00 -
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The political environment in the USA is more hardball and toxic. Its bewildering when you see those of the left and right there go at each other with hammer and tongs other over their idea of 'liberties' and freedom of speech.
Problem with politics is that negativity works on the voters psyche. The left and right has its own angry mob that has its flames fuelled by politicians and media who are happy to play internecine games.
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Riedle
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 18:42:37
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Fine, no mosque near places where Islam has done horrible things.
I wouldn't agree to that. I am saying, and what the majority of Americans are saying, is no to that mosque at that location. They recognize they have the right to do so, but they would prefer them not to and the more reasonable of them are asking the developers to construct it somewhere else.
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However, since we aren't hypocrites, we'll also have to hold every other religion to the same standard.
I agree and I think, by in large, the west does.
If anything most people tip toe around the subject when it is brought up.
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For example, that means no churches allowed anywhere near a Christian or branch of Christianity has done anything that anyone might not like (including existing churches: those with redeeming architectural or historical features will be converted to a more productive use, the rest will be bulldozed and the land sold to the highest non-church bidder). What? You mean we effectively just banned churches? Awesome. It's not like they were good for anything anyway.
Ok, a bit of a rant there...
I would support your right to protest a church being built in a location where you didn't think it appropriate.
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Oh wait, I forgot, Islam is the only religion where we don't recognize that there are different factions with different ideologies and we blame everyone for the actions of a single group.
If you want to believe that then that is your right but I don't see how it related to this subject at all.
You find us an example of religious extremists other than radical Islamist who want to build a house a worship near where mass murder was done in their name and then we'll talk.
I can tell you that you are not likely to find a single example, but if you do I will be right there saying that while they would have a RIGHT to build it, they should be more respectful and not do so.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Riedle
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in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS
lol
So be free and tolerant but never state your opinion if disagrees with yours.
u cant disagree on liberties
Uhh... Yes you can - that is called freedom of expression and conscience.
you cant disagree on religion liberty if you disagree on that you disagree also on other liberties like freedom of expression
Originally by: Riedle
And also, I said several times that they have a RIGHT to build the Mosque.
I also said that they should be respectful and build it somewhere else.
so you are free to use the freedom of religion except for certain places true ? if there is a exception that is not a liberty anymore is a rule
Originally by: CCP Adida
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
You find us an example of religious extremists other than radical Islamist who want to build a house a worship near where mass murder was done in their name and then we'll talk.
I guess you missed the part where the mosque in question is going to be run by people who aren't the religious extremists behind 9/11?
This is exactly what I mean about the double standard: we assume that Christianity is made up of different factions, so, for example, we don't blame an extremely liberal church for the actions of a certain WWII German leader whose name is censored by the forums. On the other hand, Islam is assumed to be a unified organization, and all of its members get the full blame for the actions of the extremists. If we can accept the idea of moderate Christianity, why can't we accept the idea of moderate Islam?
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