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Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.24 12:54:00 - [1] Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 24/08/2010 12:58:17 Came across this while surfing the net. I thought it was pretty funny. Quote: -------------------- Turban Cowboy!! Coming to a Mosque Near You I love this idea!!!! Greg Gutfeld, the host of Red Eye, wants to open a gay bar right next to the proposed ground zero mosque!!! Loveeeeee Itttt!!!! He just wants to promote tolerance and acceptance. Much like the planners of the Mosque want to do. I think it's a great idea. All you libs who love gays and Islam and tolerance should applaud this. So far the best names for the place.....Outfidel, You Mecca Me Hot, Turban Cowboy (my personal favorite).....I just cannot stop laughing!!!!!! -------------------- http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/greg-gutfeld-of-fox-news-red-eye-proposes-ground-zero-gay-muslim-bar/19587887 "You Mecca Me Hot" ---ROFLMAO!!!
Epicbeardman	Posted - 2010.08.24 13:07:00 - [2] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 24/08/2010 12:58:17 Came across this while surfing the net. I thought it was pretty funny. Quote: -------------------- Turban Cowboy!! Coming to a Mosque Near You I love this idea!!!! Greg Gutfeld, the host of Red Eye, wants to open a gay bar right next to the proposed ground zero mosque!!! Loveeeeee Itttt!!!! He just wants to promote tolerance and acceptance. Much like the planners of the Mosque want to do. I think it's a great idea. All you libs who love gays and Islam and tolerance should applaud this. So far the best names for the place.....Outfidel, You Mecca Me Hot, Turban Cowboy (my personal favorite).....I just cannot stop laughing!!!!!! -------------------- http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/greg-gutfeld-of-fox-news-red-eye-proposes-ground-zero-gay-muslim-bar/19587887 "You Mecca Me Hot" ---ROFLMAO!!! Beyond amazing.
William Walker Amarr House Celtae	Posted - 2010.08.24 13:54:00 - [3] I don't see anything wrong with this. ________________________________________________
DarthJosh DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.24 13:54:00 - [4] sighs ignorants ... exists thread - Desusigs!
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.24 13:56:00 - [5] Originally by: DarthJosh sighs ignorants ... exists thread **** you, this is a thread about tolerance.
Sinister Dextor	Posted - 2010.08.24 13:56:00 - [6] You know it's not a mosque, and it's not at ground zero, don't you?
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.24 14:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Sinister Dextor You know it's not a mosque, and it's not at ground zero, don't you? This. It's a community center with a bit of prayer space on some of the floors. And it's out of visual range of "ground zero". On the flipside however, it's hard to argue AGAINST opening up a gay bar near it. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.08.24 15:09:00 - [8] And it will be replacing an old Burlington Coat Factory, I mean who is going to miss a closed down outlet store sitting empty.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.24 15:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker And it will be replacing an old Burlington Coat Factory, I mean who is going to miss a closed down outlet store sitting empty. Under any normal circumstance, no one would care. But it's just too soon. It may just take a generation before this becomes a non-issue.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.24 15:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Under any normal circumstance, no one would care. But it's just too soon. It may just take a generation before this becomes a non-issue. Linkage "Polling has demonstrated that a majority of both Americans and New York State and New York City residents oppose the construction of the building near Ground Zero, while a majority of Manhattan residents support the project." _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.24 15:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Atticus Fynch Under any normal circumstance, no one would care. But it's just too soon. It may just take a generation before this becomes a non-issue. Linkage "Polling has demonstrated that a majority of both Americans and New York State and New York City residents oppose the construction of the building near Ground Zero, while a majority of Manhattan residents support the project." Well, given Manhattan is New York City, I'd say they are in the minority. Think of Manhattan as a call-girl. She doesn't care about the John as long as the money is good. She's a world all her own.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.24 15:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Well, given Manhattan is New York City, I'd say they are in the minority. Think of Manhattan as a call-girl. She doesn't care about the John as long as the money is good. She's a world all her own. Yeah, but it's in Manhattan where the construction will be, so don't you think THEY should have the most clout when deciding what they want built there ? If anybody has a right to be offended by it, they would have been the first, and apparently, they aren't. Everybody else though seems to be, out of political/emotional/rage reasons. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
MooKids Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.24 16:31:00 - [13] Do we get to open gay bars next to churches as well? -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.24 16:36:00 - [14] Originally by: MooKids Do we get to open gay bars next to churches as well? I'm all for it. Strip bars too. And fetish clubs ! _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
ceaon	Posted - 2010.08.24 16:46:00 - [15] there should be a gay bar next to each religious institution Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2010.08.24 19:31:00 - [16] Bah I just would love RPG shops next to all churches --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.08.24 19:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Brujo Loco Bah I just would love RPG shops next to all churches Most chruches have multiple sides other shops could be built next to, so why not?
Legs Mackenzie	Posted - 2010.08.24 19:58:00 - [18] Originally by: MooKids Do we get to open gay bars next to churches as well? I'm fairly certain that the gay bar that opened next to my church would receive more hassle from the church than vice versa.
Mutant Caldari Caldari Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.08.24 20:08:00 - [19] Originally by: ceaon there should be a gay bar next to each religious institution ^This Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.08.24 20:27:00 - [20] The republicans have enough gays to keep that place packed. Gitmo Booty Bay Delenda est achura.
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.08.24 20:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Mutant Caldari Originally by: ceaon there should be a gay bar next to each religious institution ^This QFT There be alot less pedophilic priest if they directed their lust to full grown men! Also, I bet thered be an increase in Manhattan church attendance if they opened a Forex terminal right inside the church. Imagine being able to trade currencies while praying! and further more why do i even need a sig?
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2010.08.24 23:50:00 - [22] A radio show I was listening to (Best Show on WFMU (actual name) - seriously awesome, funny, entertaining show...) was talking about how there is a Starbucks and things closer to the site than the mosque would be. They proceeded to joke about how they will have the "ground zero gift shop" in there soon enough. I don't know if that's true or if they were exaggerating, but it just kinda highlights how ridiculous the state of affairs and double standards are in the USA. Build anything there IMO, it's a sign of life. Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.25 00:20:00 - [23] and a Hooters on the other side! Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.25 02:44:00 - [24] Originally by: ceaon there should be a gay bar next to each religious institution Strip club IMO. Social engineering meant to eradicate religion, do it long enough and it might just work. Until they work out a way to make them compatible, like: "If God didn't want me to stare at the **** of strangers why'd he allow a strip club next to my church?".
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Art of Defiance	Posted - 2010.08.25 03:52:00 - [25] The Independent gave a voice of rationality (mixed with sarcasm) America just needs to decide if they are a free society, following the constitution or not. And sure you can build a gay bar there, if its a heavily muslim community in the area then you may find it hard to keep running though. Fox News are just creating drama and dividing the country with this crap.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.25 10:00:00 - [26] Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 25/08/2010 10:03:44 Originally by: Atticus Fynch Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker And it will be replacing an old Burlington Coat Factory, I mean who is going to miss a closed down outlet store sitting empty. Under any normal circumstance, no one would care. But it's just too soon. It may just take a generation before this becomes a non-issue. As long as there are elections non-issues like this will be made an issue of. edit: typo made it not make sense. Risk that it still doesn't but meh!
ceaon	Posted - 2010.08.25 10:32:00 - [27] Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: ceaon there should be a gay bar next to each religious institution Strip club IMO. Social engineering meant to eradicate religion, do it long enough and it might just work. Until they work out a way to make them compatible, like: "If God didn't want me to stare at the ** of strangers why'd he allow a strip club next to my church?". no strip club can be considered sexist and after opening on all this strip club the religious females can team up whit femi and make a massive protest, the protest is not the problem but the man faction dont have the sufficient number of brave machos to go on each of this spots whit a "iron my shirt" sign Originally by:** CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Slightly Sensational	Posted - 2010.08.25 13:53:00 - [28] Originally by: ceaon Originally by: So Sensational Originally by: ceaon there should be a gay bar next to each religious institution Strip club IMO. Social engineering meant to eradicate religion, do it long enough and it might just work. Until they work out a way to make them compatible, like: "If God didn't want me to stare at the ** of strangers why'd he allow a strip club next to my church?". no strip club can be considered sexist and after opening on all this strip club the religious females can team up whit femi** and make a massive protest, the protest is not the problem but the man faction dont have the sufficient number of brave machos to go on each of this spots whit a "iron my shirt" sign Then we introduce obligatory viewing of Married... with Children for all men, until they learn what being a man is all about.
Bloody Piggy	Posted - 2010.08.25 15:15:00 - [29] Originally by: ceaon there should be a gay bar next to each religious institution There already is. The priests tend to live next to churches, don't they?
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 15:19:00 - [30] Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 15:19:31 Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 15:19:01 Originally by: TimMc The Independent gave a voice of rationality (mixed with sarcasm) America just needs to decide if they are a free society, following the constitution or not. And sure you can build a gay bar there, if its a heavily muslim community in the area then you may find it hard to keep running though. Fox News are just creating drama and dividing the country with this crap. No one is saying that they don't have a right to build a Mosque there they are saying that they oppose it. Americans have a right to voice their opinion too you know. There are lots of rights in America. If the Mosque (and that's what it is) owners really want to 'build bridges' with the west then they would be respectful and choose to move the construction site away from their current proposed site. As it is most fair minded people view it as a poke in the eye and that is exactly what it reeks as. If they do not choose to move the site then I am 100% on board with the Turban Cowboy opening up right beside it. Fair is Fair after all. click here
Emsee Empire Assault Corp	Posted - 2010.08.25 16:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Riedle Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 15:19:31 Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 15:19:01 Originally by: TimMc The Independent gave a voice of rationality (mixed with sarcasm) America just needs to decide if they are a free society, following the constitution or not. And sure you can build a gay bar there, if its a heavily muslim community in the area then you may find it hard to keep running though. Fox News are just creating drama and dividing the country with this crap. If the Mosque (and that's what it is) owners really want to 'build bridges' with the west then they would be respectful and choose to move the construction site away from their current proposed site. As it is most fair minded people view it as a poke in the eye and that is exactly what it reeks as. I don't understand this logic. Should the Muslims behind the community center not build it because they are supposed to feel guilty that they practise a religion that is loosely related to the twisted version that the 9/11 hijackers did? And it simply isn't a Mosque. Mosques do not have auditoriums, swimming pools, basketball courts, food canteens etc. You might as well call a hospital a church if it has a prayer room in it. TimMc is right, this issue is being exploited by the American right to score points against Obama. Obama rightfully can't oppose the Mosque as it would be unconstitutional as well as un-American to do so.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 16:08:00 - [32] Quote: I don't understand this logic. Should the Muslims behind the community center not build it because they are supposed to feel guilty that they practise a religion that is loosely related to the twisted version that the 9/11 hijackers did? No, they should move the location of the Mosque complex to another area that isn't so emotionally sensitive to the MAJORITY of Americans and THIS Canadian. Quote: And it simply isn't a Mosque. Mosques do not have auditoriums, swimming pools, basketball courts, food canteens etc. You might as well call a hospital a church if it has a prayer room in it. It is a Mosque. Obama even called it a Mosque. It will have other facilities associated with it but it does contain a mosque. Quote: TimMc is right, this issue is being exploited by the American right to score points against Obama. Obama rightfully can't oppose the Mosque as it would be unconstitutional as well as un-American to do so. Obama has it right. He said they have the right to do so which is obvious to everyone that they do. Obama decided NOT to comment on the WISDOM of building one there however. It is not a wise thing to do especially since their stated goal is to act as an outreach centre. It is akin to building a Museum of the History of White People next to Auschwitz. It is offensive and if they continue to refuse to relocate it it will be rightly viewed as being purposefully offensive. They don't have to feel guilty - they SHOULD feel respectful. If you can't get that logic then I don't know what to tell ya. click here
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.25 16:17:00 - [33] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 25/08/2010 16:18:30 Imbeciles. And i'm not saying that because i care about this mosque being built or not, it's just staggering to me people still think bin laden did it after the FBI themselves saying theres no evidence linking him to it. The translations of his messages merely have him praising whoever did it, and NEVER claiming responsibility. And you know he'd jump at the chance to admit he did it, if he actually did. On top of that, alot of the people who are said to have hijacked those planes under orders from bin laden, have a habit of turning up alive all over the globe. The US media can convince some people of anything if they repeat it enough. That's the only place where this fantasy about muslims doing 9/11 exists. It simply doesn't hold water in reality. You probably won't believe me, because i'm not on the TV, but there it is. I now return you to your regularly scheduled 2 minutes hate. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 16:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 25/08/2010 16:18:30 Imbeciles. And i'm not saying that because i care about this mosque being built or not, it's just staggering to me people still think bin laden did it after the FBI themselves saying theres no evidence linking him to it. The translations of his messages merely have him praising whoever did it, and NEVER claiming responsibility. And you know he'd jump at the chance to admit he did it, if he actually did. On top of that, alot of the people who are said to have hijacked those planes under orders from bin laden, have a habit of turning up alive all over the globe. The US media can convince some people of anything if they repeat it enough. That's the only place where this fantasy about muslims doing 9/11 exists. It simply doesn't hold water in reality. You probably won't believe me, because i'm not on the TV, but there it is. I now return you to your regularly scheduled 2 minutes hate. 2 minutes of hate? I only took one minute to read your 9/11 conspiracy non-sense. Ironiocally it is the conspiracy nutters who are the one's motivated by hate. All the looney conspiracies have been proven over and over again to be the stuff of fantasy and yet people like you continue to believe them. I bet you dollars to doughnuts you are an atheist as well and don't believe in a God because there is no 'proof' yet you choose to believe something *****ed like the 9/11 conspracies, ironiocally - when there is SO much proof against* it. It's sadly laughable. I was wondering how long it would take for the conspiracy nutters to jump on this. Thank you click here
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.25 16:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Riedle Quote: No, they should move the location of the Mosque complex to another area that isn't so emotionally sensitive to the MAJORITY of Americans and THIS Canadian. Lol, "mosque complex"? Stop imcluding the word mosque unless you're willing to call all buildings with a chapel a "church complex". Quote: It is a Mosque. Obama even called it a Mosque. It will have other facilities associated with it but it does contain a mosque. It's not a mosque. It going to contain a prayer room, so do many muslims houses. Does that mean they live in mosques? Quote: Obama has it right. He said they have the right to do so which is obvious to everyone that they do. Obama decided NOT to comment on the WISDOM of building one there however. Finally, a factually accurate statement. Third time's a charm. Quote: It is not a wise thing to do especially since their stated goal is to act as an outreach centre. It is akin to building a Museum of the History of White People next to Auschwitz. It is offensive and if they continue to refuse to relocate it it will be rightly viewed as being purposefully offensive. They don't have to feel guilty - they SHOULD feel respectful. If you can't get that logic then I don't know what to tell ya. I'd be disappointed to hear of a Museum of the History of White People anywhere, not just near Auschwitz. For what it's worth when i heard there was to be a mosque built at ground zero i was quite **ed off about it, i'm from the UK so even further from the US than Canada. Then when i read about it and discovered that it wasn't going to be at ground zero at all, that it'd be 2 blocks away i started to wonder wtf all the fuss was about, idiots. Then i learn that it's not even a ing mosque, it's a bloody expensive community centre with a basketball court, swimming pool and all sorts of fun stuff to do... oh, and it will have an area for prayer then you can imagine my laughter turning to disbelief. THEN i find that the right win are trying to create an evil, terrorist, public hate-figure out of a moderate, peaceful imam and then i wonder why the ** we're on the Americans side if they're so stupid as to fall for this obvious and complete fabrication of a story drummed up by the right and the far-right in that supposed "great country". And dont get me started on the hypocricy of it all.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.25 16:34:00 - [36] Should have maybe used some punctuation in that last paragraph there, eh?
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 16:36:00 - [37] Quote: Lol, "mosque complex"? Stop imcluding the word mosque unless you're willing to call all buildings with a chapel a "church complex". Umm. No? Because that's what it is. It's a Mosque with other assorted facilities. Why are you getting hung up on that? You don't want there to be a mosque there as well? If so then we agree. Quote: It's not a mosque. It going to contain a prayer room, so do many muslims houses. Does that mean they live in mosques? No, it's going to contain a MOSQUE. Quote: ôBut if we say that a mosque and community center should not be built near the perimeter of the World Trade Center site, we would compromise our commitment to fighting terror with freedom. ôWe would undercut the values and principles that so many heroes died protecting. We would feed the false impressions that some Americans have about Muslims. We would send a signal around the world that Muslim Americans may be equal in the eyes of the law, but separate in the eyes of their countrymen. And we would hand a valuable propaganda tool to terrorist recruiters, who spread the fallacy that America is at war with Islam.ö -Mayor Bloomberg THIS from a guy that supports the idea. There is no contention that there is a MOSQUE going there. Please, at least let's agree on the facts. Quote: Finally, a factually accurate statement. Third time's a charm. All of my facts are factual. I even provided proof. Quote: I'd be disappointed to hear of a Museum of the History of White People anywhere, not just near Auschwitz. Why? That's odd. Do you have an issue with, for example, Black History month? lol If not, why not? Hypocrite much? Quote: For what it's worth when i heard there was to be a mosque built at ground zero i was quite ***ed off about it, i'm from the UK so even further from the US than Canada. Then when i read about it and discovered that it wasn't going to be at ground zero at all, that it'd be 2 blocks away i started to wonder wtf all the fuss was about, idiots. FYI - the world trade centre was over 10 blocks. The area where the MOSQUE and "community centre" are going where blocked off for months after 9/11. But yeah, you're right - not close at all. But this is even pointless. People are upset that a MOSQUE and "community centre" are going to be located there. I can bet that these people know the geography of it all better than you and me as they, you know, live there. If these developers are really interested in 'outreach' then they would build this "complex" in another site. They DO have the right* to build there but they should be responsible and not do so. See how that works? Quote: Then i learn that it's not even a **ing mosque, Incorrect. It IS a mosque and "community centre". Honestly, learn the facts of the matter on this lest you continue to look the fool. Quote: it's a bloody expensive community centre with a basketball court, swimming pool and all sorts of fun stuff to do... oh, and it will have an area for prayer then you can imagine my laughter turning to disbelief. The centrepiece is a MOSQUE. lol some people just refuse to educate themselves. Quote: THEN i find that the right win are trying to create an evil, terrorist, public hate-figure out of a moderate, peaceful imam and then i wonder why the ** we're on the Americans side if they're so stupid as to fall for this obvious and complete fabrication of a story drummed up by the right and the far-right in that supposed "great country". And dont get me started on the hypocricy of it all. Nice rant. In fact, this is not an overly ideological story. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-18/new-york-voters-oppose-mosque-project-near-9-11-site-siena-survey-finds.htmlThe Majority of Americans and New Yorkers disagree with it across all political spectrums, classes, race and age groups.[/url click here
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.25 16:56:00 - [38] Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 25/08/2010 17:01:27 I'm not going to play a game of edit to quote to edit to quote with you but one little funny i will pick out is this: "Why? That's odd. Do you have an issue with, for example, Black History month? lol If not, why not? Hypocrite much?" Assumption much? Edit to ask: Not for a second accepting that a building that contains an area of prayer automatically makes the whole building a mosque, i'd still like to ask this. If these Muslims promised to use the actual mosque that is already 2 blocks from where this community centre is to be built whenever they want to pray, will you then say "ok, this building will contain nothing that could be believed to be a mosque so please go ahead with your community centre and good day to you"?
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 16:58:00 - [39] Originally by: ChaeDoc II I'm not going to play a game of edit to quote to edit to quote with you but one little funny i will pick out is this: "Why? That's odd. Do you have an issue with, for example, Black History month? lol If not, why not? Hypocrite much?" Assumption much? You could have just linked an avatar of a white flag being waved back and forth and saved yourself some keystrokes. click here
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:04:00 - [40] Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 25/08/2010 17:05:13 Originally by: Riedle Originally by: ChaeDoc II I'm not going to play a game of edit to quote to edit to quote with you but one little funny i will pick out is this: "Why? That's odd. Do you have an issue with, for example, Black History month? lol If not, why not? Hypocrite much?" Assumption much? You could have just linked an avatar of a white flag being waved back and forth and saved yourself some keystrokes. Now you're just being childish which kind of makes me pleased i'm not wasting my time discussing this with you.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:08:00 - [41] Keith Olbermann : There Is NO "Ground Zero MOSQUE" ... _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:14:00 - [42] World English Dictionary mosque (mɒsk) ù n masjid , Also called: musjid a Muslim place of worship, usually having one or more minarets and often decorated with elaborate tracery and texts from the Koran [C14: earlier mosquee, from Old French via Italian moschea, ultimately from Arabic masjid temple, place of prostration] funny how a room in a building which is being used for something completely different doesnt seem to fit that definition. The site has a prayer room because not having one in a building which is in part designed to be used by people who practice Islam would be idiotic. The fact that the word mosque is used in relation to the project is simply because every right wing media outlet has been bleating the same **** about it as loudly as they can. The simple fact is that the only people whos opinions should matter are the people of Manhatten, who either dont care or actively support it. Lets not forget that over 400 of the people who died on 9/11 were muslim as well, or do the scarey brown people with the funny religion not get to make official use of a site they've already been using for over a year because their dead dont matter. This is simple racism and religious bigotry trying to disguise itself behind false facts and distorted media coverage. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:19:00 - [43] Originally by: Darek Castigatus Lets not forget that over 400 of the people who died on 9/11 were muslim as well, or do the scarey brown people with the funny religion not get to make official use of a site they've already been using for over a year because their dead dont matter. Well... 400 to you and me, 240 to the far right.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:21:00 - [44] Quote: The simple fact is that the only people whos opinions should matter are the people of Manhatten, who either dont care or actively support it . Incorrect. According to the Poll I already posted New Yorkers are against it. Quote: Lets not forget that over 400 of the people who died on 9/11 were muslim as well, or do the scarey brown people with the funny religion not get to make official use of a site they've already been using for over a year because their dead dont matter. Aww.. that's cute. Two more posts and then we talk about **** amirite? Some pretty influential Muslim leaders are against it as well. Are they racists as well? PS: you do know Islam is a religion not a race correct? There are lots of cracker muslims too. Now who's sterotyping? lol Quote:** This is simple racism and religious bigotry trying to disguise itself behind false facts and distorted media coverage. I guess when you have a small mind it's easier to make the story nice and simple so you can pretend to understand it. Here is a link of Muslims against the proposal. click here
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:26:00 - [45] As a Brit I have a general sentiment that religion should be discreet and not mixed up with politics. This is not the case in the USA where some people fly their religious colours with their political colours in one unified agenda. To me a politician that overtly is of one religious persuasion implicitly rejects citizens that are of another religious persuasion. I just wish all the religious orders could create some sort of commonwealth organisation to promote good feeling and general spiritual discussion. But no chance of that. .................................................. Cylon cultural victor!
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:32:00 - [46] Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 17:33:43 Originally by: Akita T Keith Olbermann : There Is NO "Ground Zero MOSQUE" ... Please, Keith Olbermann? The guy is a media ***. First they came for the communists? lol No one is coming for anyone in this story but leave it to go old Olbermann to tell us the sky is falling. The facts are clear. They projects leaders want to build a Mosque near the 9/11 site and this is making people upset as they feel it is disrespectful to alot of people. The majority of Americans and the Majority of New Yorkers are against this, both of which I provided proof of. But I guess they are all a bunch of knuckle dragging * members eh? No one is saying that they don't have a RIGHT to do this but that said, you can still be against them doing it and you don't have to be a racist or an intolerant person to feel this way. There are muslims that are against this proposal as well! I think the only one's FOR this project are the politically correct kool-aid drinkers who are for anything that they perceive ****es off WASPS so they can bask in their own perceived, self indulgent, glorious empathy. It's really quite funny. Anyways, it's a moot point. No construction company in New York is going to be affiliated with this project at all. It's not going to happen. click here
ceaon	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:37:00 - [47] a part of me just want that USA dont allow this to happen and ban any other mosque licenses across the country not because i am against a religion just because this will make more ppl point at USA and call it intolerant, the world just need more reasons and number to call USA intolerant in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS if you are from USA and you say u are tolerant then stand up and speak up make sign list that support this and make a protest to support the mosque, tolerance and freedom Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:49:00 - [48] I don't understand why this is in "debate" at all. LOL @ moving it somewhere "less emotionally sensitive". Some bad stuff happened somewhere. We get it. You can't discriminate against a religious group and tell them not to build in a neighborhood just because your lack of understanding of religious differences amongst a particular belief and it's subdivisions leaves the idea in your mind that these innocent people are somehow responsible. Go build more shopping malls, starbucks, etc near "ground zero". Clearly that's more morally sound than a community centre and mosque. Please lock this fing thread already, it's full of neanderthals, racists, trolls and idiots AND more importantly, in violation of forum rules.* Oh, and I almost forgot. I just made you read my signature.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:52:00 - [49] Originally by: Vogue As a Brit I have a general sentiment that religion should be discreet and not mixed up with politics. This is not the case in the USA where some people fly their religious colours with their political colours in one unified agenda. To me a politician that overtly is of one religious persuasion implicitly rejects citizens that are of another religious persuasion. I just wish all the religious orders could create some sort of commonwealth organisation to promote good feeling and general spiritual discussion. But no chance of that. For as much as the US touts the separation of church and state, you have to remember that many of the pioneers that settled the US came for freedom of religion which they could not find in their own lands. So in a way, it's a psychological inheritance of our ancestors. Sad but true.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Akita T Keith Olbermann : There Is NO "Ground Zero MOSQUE" ... I have trouble with people that will use political freedoms to their own destruction. It's like the snake eating its tail. Yes, you may have the right to do something, but does that mean the action is in good taste? Concern for how your fellow citizens feel should also play a part. 9/11 is starting to become a footnote in history, but on that day terrible pain was set loose as we saw friends, relatives, spouses, children die before our very eyes on TV. Those on the airplanes not knowing their fate...telephoning their loved ones before the impact. Those in the buildings struggling to get out and some just leaping to their death out the windows. Those firefighter and police officers rushing in to help as the building came down on them. All because someone wanted to make a religious point? And now that religion is talking about rights to build? It takes major balls to make that demand. Major balls.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:06:00 - [51] Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 18:07:38 I have pretty much said all that I wanted to say on this but just HAD to point out this laugher: Quote: in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS lol So be free and tolerant but never state your opinion if disagrees with yours. Wow, that is SO tolerant and free. I mean, really. How can some people say such dumb things? lol edit: oh, more words of wisdom from the people who preech about 'freedom' Quote: Please lock this f***ing thread already, it's full of neanderthals, racists, trolls and idiots AND more importantly, in violation of forum rules. Agree with me or I will take away your right to voice your opinion. So tolerant. lol click here
ceaon	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Riedle Quote: in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS lol So be free and tolerant but never state your opinion if disagrees with yours. u cant disagree on liberties Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Blood Ghost Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:13:00 - [53] Originally by: Akita T Keith Olbermann : There Is NO "Ground Zero MOSQUE" ... Oohh thats refreshing :D Originally by: CCP Shadow It's over, Prime. click
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:23:00 - [54] Quote: in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS In a religious dictatorship, you don't have this discussion either...because you CANT.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:25:00 - [55] Originally by: ceaon Originally by: Riedle Quote: in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS lol So be free and tolerant but never state your opinion if disagrees with yours. u cant disagree on liberties Uhh... Yes you can - that is called freedom of expression and conscience. And also, I said several times that they have a RIGHT to build the Mosque. I also said that they should be respectful and build it somewhere else. That is what people are saying and they have the RIGHT to say it. I'm sorry you are having difficulties recognizing what rights and freedoms are. There are lots of Mosques in the USA - you knew that right? lol click here
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:29:00 - [56] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 25/08/2010 18:31:02 Fine, no mosque near places where Islam has done horrible things. However, since we aren't hypocrites, we'll also have to hold every other religion to the same standard. For example, that means no churches allowed anywhere near a Christian or branch of Christianity has done anything that anyone might not like (including existing churches: those with redeeming architectural or historical features will be converted to a more productive use, the rest will be bulldozed and the land sold to the highest non-church bidder). What? You mean we effectively just banned churches? Awesome. It's not like they were good for anything anyway. Oh wait, I forgot, Islam is the only religion where we don't recognize that there are different factions with different ideologies and we blame everyone for the actions of a single group. -----------
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:30:00 - [57] The political environment in the USA is more hardball and toxic. Its bewildering when you see those of the left and right there go at each other with hammer and tongs other over their idea of 'liberties' and freedom of speech. Problem with politics is that negativity works on the voters psyche. The left and right has its own angry mob that has its flames fuelled by politicians and media who are happy to play internecine games. .................................................. Cylon cultural victor!
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:39:00 - [58] Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 18:42:37 Quote: Fine, no mosque near places where Islam has done horrible things. I wouldn't agree to that. I am saying, and what the majority of Americans are saying, is no to that mosque at that location. They recognize they have the right to do so, but they would prefer them not to and the more reasonable of them are asking the developers to construct it somewhere else. Quote: However, since we aren't hypocrites, we'll also have to hold every other religion to the same standard. I agree and I think, by in large, the west does. If anything most people tip toe around the subject when it is brought up. Quote: For example, that means no churches allowed anywhere near a Christian or branch of Christianity has done anything that anyone might not like (including existing churches: those with redeeming architectural or historical features will be converted to a more productive use, the rest will be bulldozed and the land sold to the highest non-church bidder). What? You mean we effectively just banned churches? Awesome. It's not like they were good for anything anyway. Ok, a bit of a rant there... I would support your right to protest a church being built in a location where you didn't think it appropriate. Quote: Oh wait, I forgot, Islam is the only religion where we don't recognize that there are different factions with different ideologies and we blame everyone for the actions of a single group. If you want to believe that then that is your right but I don't see how it related to this subject at all. You find us an example of religious extremists other than radical Islamist who want to build a house a worship near where mass murder was done in their name and then we'll talk. I can tell you that you are not likely to find a single example, but if you do I will be right there saying that while they would have a RIGHT to build it, they should be more respectful and not do so. click here
ceaon	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:41:00 - [59] Originally by: Riedle Originally by: ceaon Originally by: Riedle Quote: in a truly tolerant and free society YOU DONT EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSIONS lol So be free and tolerant but never state your opinion if disagrees with yours. u cant disagree on liberties Uhh... Yes you can - that is called freedom of expression and conscience. you cant disagree on religion liberty if you disagree on that you disagree also on other liberties like freedom of expression Originally by: Riedle And also, I said several times that they have a RIGHT to build the Mosque. I also said that they should be respectful and build it somewhere else. so you are free to use the freedom of religion except for certain places true ? if there is a exception that is not a liberty anymore is a rule Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:43:00 - [60] Originally by: Riedle You find us an example of religious extremists other than radical Islamist who want to build a house a worship near where mass murder was done in their name and then we'll talk. I guess you missed the part where the mosque in question is going to be run by people who *aren't the religious extremists behind 9/11?* This is exactly what I mean about the double standard: we assume that Christianity is made up of different factions, so, for example, we don't blame an extremely liberal church for the actions of a certain WWII German leader whose name is censored by the forums. On the other hand, Islam is assumed to be a unified organization, and all of its members get the full blame for the actions of the extremists. If we can accept the idea of moderate Christianity, why can't we accept the idea of moderate Islam? -----------
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:48:00 - [61] Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 18:49:49 Quote: you cant disagree on religion liberty if you disagree on that you disagree also on other liberties like freedom of expression That is not what this is about. I agree that they have the RIGHT to build the Mosque. I am exercising my right by disagreeing with it. That does not infringe on their fundamental right to do so anyways. My word is not the final say - it is just an opinion and I have the right to voice it the same way they have the right to ignore it. They are in conflict but they are not exclusionary. They can both co-exist. That's what a free society is all about - the exchange of ideas. Some people don't like it but there you go - we have it. Quote: so you are free to use the freedom of religion except for certain places true ? if there is a exception that is not a liberty anymore is a rule No. Read this slowly. They have an absolute right to build the mosque there. There is no question. I have an absolute right to oppose it. I am hoping that they realize that building it there will harm relations between their community and other communities in the USA. So out of respect and tolerance I am hoping that they change their mind as to the location and build it elsewhere. I am not asking the government to limit their rights in any way whatsoever. Many Muslims agree with what I am saying. weird eh? lol click here
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:58:00 - [62] Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 18:59:08 Quote: I guess you missed the part where the mosque in question is going to be run by people who *aren't the religious extremists behind 9/11?* I never said that they were in fact. I worded that awkwardly I admit but what I was trying to say is find another mass murder location carried out by religious extremists where the 'main stream' of that religion then wants to put a place of worship nearby. Then we can talk and you will see that I will disagree with that as well. Quote: This is exactly what I mean about the double standard: we assume that Christianity is made up of different factions, so, for example, we don't blame an extremely liberal church for the actions of a certain WWII German leader whose name is censored by the forums. ~groan~ Must we decend to that always? Godwin!! Quote: On the other hand, Islam is assumed to be a unified organization, and all of its members get the full blame for the actions of the extremists. If we can accept the idea of moderate Christianity, why can't we accept the idea of moderate Islam? Please show me where I blamed all Muslims for the actions of the fundamental Islamists on 9/11. Please show me where I demonstrated ignorance of Sunni, Shi'a, Sufism or Ahmadiyya Islam. Otherwise your post is largely an assumption of the motives of those you disagree with. I have, I think, aptly demonstrated that those do not apply to me or my postings here. It would be refreshing if we could get beyond the BIGOT!!oneone111 RACIST11!! line of thought and discuss the actual issue. Unfortunately I doubt that will be possible. click here
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.25 18:59:00 - [63] I going to open a bacon shop on the other side (opposite the gay bar) and make sure the vents blow that wonderful bacon aroma towards the mosque. Hey after prayers, you've got to be hungry...right?
ceaon	Posted - 2010.08.25 19:17:00 - [64] Originally by: Riedle Read this slowly. read this even more slowly you cant disagree on rights Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.25 19:30:00 - [65] Bacon rocks!!!! Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.25 20:10:00 - [66] Originally by: Intense Thinker Bacon rocks!!!! Agreed. Now forgive me but, isn't this thing getting build 4 blocks away from ground zero and won't it be hard to find another building that you can stuff all of the things they want in? Manhatten is not exactly known for its wide open spaces.
Sinister Dextor	Posted - 2010.08.25 20:22:00 - [67] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Intense Thinker Bacon rocks!!!! Agreed. Now forgive me but, isn't this thing getting build 4 blocks away from ground zero and won't it be hard to find another building that you can stuff all of the things they want in? Manhatten is not exactly known for its wide open spaces. Yeah, they could probably do with knocking a few buildings down.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.25 20:25:00 - [68] Originally by: Atticus Fynch [ Under any normal circumstance, no one would care. But it's just too soon. It may just take a generation before this becomes a non-issue. What if it had been there prior to 911? This uproar is a joke. I mean how close to "ground zeros" is it acceptable for Muslims to build whatever it is they want to build. Should they not be allowed to build in New York City or State, Washington D.C., or the State of Pennsylvania? People in the middle East deal with this stuff dail. Nothing would ever get done in the Middle East if they whined like this about every site that got blown up. It is time the US citizens toughen up and realize that the world does not revolve around them and their little soft, predominately Christian, hearts. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.25 20:29:00 - [69] Not too worried about the mosque, more worried about the people ****ed off about the mosque. As we all know, get a bunch of crazy people in large groups and you got a powder keg. results should be fun to watch on the news Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Culmen Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.08.25 20:45:00 - [70] Originally by: Slade Trillgon What if it had been there prior to 911? Like Masjid Manhattan. At 20 Warren Street, it is just 4 blocks away from ground zero. Originally by: Slade Trillgon This uproar is a joke. I mean how close to "ground zeros" is it acceptable for Muslims to build whatever it is they want to build. Should they not be allowed to build in New York City or State, Washington D.C., or the State of Pennsylvania? Agreed. This kind of behavior is precisely the sentiment that breeds terrorism. Place a group under constant scrutiny, violate their civil rights and freedom of religion and you are going to get a bunch of rather **ed off people. It's not just Muslims, look at Northern Ireland, Christians can get ed off and bomb happy as well. Really, I think that Muslim center should be moved closer, heck I wouldn't oppose one in the lobby of a rebuilt World Trade Center. Why? because people need to know that Muslims did not attack the World Trade Center. It was people who were Muslims, not ALL Muslims. That's like saying Christians did the Holocaust, because all of the National Socialist there were Christians. Really I think i figured out why alot of the world have trouble with Muslims, it's because they've never actually met any of them. All you get are the ***s on TV, and if you judged saaay American by the *****s on TV, you think they were all intolerant morons (and tell the truth many people have). Still if you actually met a Muslim, you'd know that they are people, some are nice , some are jerks, but they're people. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 21:03:00 - [71] Originally by: ceaon Originally by: Riedle Read this slowly. read this even more slowly you cant disagree on rights Sorry but I have deemed your IQ as too low to continue this discussion with you. click here
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 21:16:00 - [72] Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 21:16:42 Really, it amazes me the number of people that can't discern the not subtle difference in the meaning of CAN and SHOULD. The Mosque CAN be built there. The question and controvery is about wether it SHOULD be built there. No one's rights are being violated having this debate. That's what debate is all about. There are a lot of people that disagree with the Mosque being built there and that does not make them bigots believing that. To those that write them all off as bigots that makes you narrow minded - and you have a right to be narrow minded but it does not make the concerns about the mosque's location any less valid It does make me an idiot thinking that we could have an intelligent discussion about it on a video games website I suppose though lol over and out o/ PS: National Socialism was in no way a religious movement. lol click here
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.25 21:24:00 - [73] Originally by: Riedle Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 21:16:42 Really, it amazes me the number of people that can't discern the not subtle difference in the meaning of CAN and SHOULD. The Mosque CAN be built there. The question and controvery is about wether it SHOULD be built there. No one's rights are being violated having this debate. That's what debate is all about. There are a lot of people that disagree with the Mosque being built there and that does not make them bigots believing that. To those that write them all off as bigots that makes you narrow minded - and you have a right to be narrow minded but it does not make the concerns about the mosque's location any less valid It does make me an idiot thinking that we could have an intelligent discussion about it on a video games website I suppose though lol over and out o/ PS: National Socialism was in no way a religious movement. lol Why should it not be built there? Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
ceaon	Posted - 2010.08.25 21:33:00 - [74] Edited by: ceaon on 25/08/2010 21:34:01 Riedle you have a hard time to understand that ppl find hard to agree on stuff so to make things easier they agree to dont disagree in certain stuff usually this are named liberties and rights and this are base of today society Originally by: CCP Adida The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.08.25 21:47:00 - [75] Originally by: ceaon Edited by: ceaon on 25/08/2010 21:34:01 Riedle you have a hard time to understand that ppl find hard to agree on stuff so to make things easier they agree to dont disagree in certain stuff usually this are named liberties and rights and this are base of today society Rights and liberties the base of our society? That is off the mark I would say. The base of our now more civilised society is based on the blood, sweat and tears of our ancestors who worked in factories, fought in wars against oppressive regimes. The rule of law and constitutional\law of the land liberties were built on the foundation stones of the struggles above. Peoples rights - freedom - volition to achieve what they want is built around the common denominator of material capital and capability: To do paid work according to supply and demand of what you can do. Those of a poorer background will achieve less material capital and capability than someone who is well educated. Social mobility, in the UK at least, has not changed much since 1910. Life is not fair. You have to make it fair. The roll of dice that is life gives some people more of a head start than others. .................................................. Cylon cultural victor!
DarthJosh DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.25 22:45:00 - [76] alqaeda is not islam. let that sink in already. you guys gave them weapons to fight commies. they are moslems, but they are not islam. Islam is messed up, yes. but so is Christianity. or any other organized religion. i'm sorry for your loss, but this is a case of not being informed and reacting with the crowd's collective paranoia. - Desusigs!
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.25 23:01:00 - [77] Originally by: DarthJosh alqaeda is not islam. let that sink in already. you guys gave them weapons to fight commies. they are moslems, but they are not islam. Islam is messed up, yes. but so is Christianity. or any other organized religion. i'm sorry for your loss, but this is a case of not being informed and reacting with the crowd's collective paranoia. A Muslim is an adherent of the religion of Islam. what you said makes no sense, it's like saying a Doberman isn't a dog. Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.25 23:08:00 - [78] Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: DarthJosh alqaeda is not islam. let that sink in already. you guys gave them weapons to fight commies. they are moslems, but they are not islam. Islam is messed up, yes. but so is Christianity. or any other organized religion. i'm sorry for your loss, but this is a case of not being informed and reacting with the crowd's collective paranoia. A Muslim is an adherent of the religion of Islam. what you said makes no sense, it's like saying a Doberman isn't a dog. I get it All of these terrorist groups are not representitive of Islam, they twist it to their match their goals. Selective reading and all that.
Bodrul Caldari Polaris Rising The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.08.25 23:14:00 - [79] Originally by: Intense Thinker A Muslim is an adherent of the religion of Islam. what you said makes no sense, it's like saying a Doberman isn't a dog. i am a Muslim, i follow the teachings of Islam, my actions are those of my own, the way i follow islam is my actions, a Muslim should follow the islamic teachings but that doesnt make that person Islam. as mentioned before Christianity and so forth along with islam are faiths and not entities. just because one person uses the title Muslim doesnt mean he is Muslim or represents other msulims anyhow on the ground Zero mosque, like US muslim relations arent really at a low Iraq Afganinistan (Creating alquida with Pakistan inteligence didnt help) Israel Pakistan (for decades arming a dicator) India, (hypcoracy with the nuclear reactor deals) Iran with the shah and so forth sont think Faith has anything to do with the bad blood between the US and some people in the country the forign policies which it has used. ............ Researched BPO Lottery (Using Darkness+ Charibbas dice) ........
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.25 23:20:00 - [80] Originally by: Bodrul Originally by: Intense Thinker A Muslim is an adherent of the religion of Islam. what you said makes no sense, it's like saying a Doberman isn't a dog. i am a Muslim, i follow the teachings of Islam, my actions are those of my own, the way i follow islam is my actions, a Muslim should follow the islamic teachings but that doesnt make that person Islam. as mentioned before Christianity and so forth along with islam are faiths and not entities. just because one person uses the title Muslim doesnt mean he is Muslim or represents other msulims anyhow on the ground Zero mosque, like US muslim relations arent really at a low Iraq Afganinistan (Creating alquida with Pakistan inteligence didnt help) Israel Pakistan (for decades arming a dicator) India, (hypcoracy with the nuclear reactor deals) Iran with the shah and so forth sont think Faith has anything to do with the bad blood between the US and some people in the country the forign policies which it has used. Ok now in English plz, I can become Islam? Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.08.25 23:36:00 - [81] Any other churches or places of worships and prayer in the same radius of ground zero? Remove'em all! I don't give a ** what religion, all of'em. Or.. simply allow all of them. Pick one, that's the only option. Religion has **ed this world and humanity enough as it is throughout history. Seperate church n state is so mind boggling profound, it is a shame it has been never followed because people are so egotistical to the point they want to be a God. No? Yes.. Just about every religion, in some way of wording or another boils down to.. if you want to be one with God and thus be like him, you have to do this this this and this, as he himself has deemed so. If not, you're boned. Politics.. to gather a group of people that believe your word and to make it the Law, forcing others to follow it. If not, you're boned. Huh.. sounds kinda of familiar when you think about it. Republicans, Democrats.. any and all political parties, in any country, have ties some how, some where.. that promote a form of Religion.. Religous, commercial, judicial. Maybe one day, I hope.. it'll actually be the voice of the present people and choice, rather than dead 'political' religous zealots doing what needed to be done to assert their authority as a God amongest the people, for the good of the people.. so they may be one with 'God' too. thread lock in 3.. 2.. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.25 23:39:00 - [82] Originally by: Umega Any other churches or places of worships and prayer in the same radius of ground zero? Remove'em all! I don't give a ** what religion, all of'em. Or.. simply allow all of them. Pick one, that's the only option. Religion has *ed this world and humanity enough as it is throughout history. Seperate church n state is so mind boggling profound, it is a shame it has been never followed because people are so egotistical to the point they want to be a God. No? Yes.. Just about every religion, in some way of wording or another boils down to.. if you want to be one with God and thus be like him, you have to do this this this and this, as he himself has deemed so. If not, you're boned. Politics.. to gather a group of people that believe your word and to make it the Law, forcing others to follow it. If not, you're boned. Huh.. sounds kinda of familiar when you think about it. Republicans, Democrats.. any and all political parties, in any country, have ties some how, some where.. that promote a form of Religion.. Religous, commercial, judicial. Maybe one day, I hope.. it'll actually be the voice of the present people and choice, rather than dead 'political' religous zealots doing what needed to be done to assert their authority as a God amongest the people, for the good of the people.. so they may be one with 'God' too. thread lock in 3.. 2.. Flashes ***** and scares all the devs away before they can lock this thread* Signature locked for editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.25 23:43:00 - [83] Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 23:48:38 Quote: Why should it not be built there? Because it is upsetting alot of their neighbours that see it as a provacation. If they want to 'reach out' they would understand and build it somewhere else. Quote: EDIT: As for your comment on national socialism. His point was that it was not a religious movement and that what is going on in New York is tantamount to saying that the holocost was caused by Chrisitanity. In order for that to make ANY sense you would have to agree that the **'s were fundamentalist Christians and they were nothing of the sort so the analogy doesn't work. * = short term for national socialists. Can't say that word here for some reason. Also, if you study some history of the time the National Socialists had a very cozy alliance with the Grand Mufti of Palestine. They shared some of the same goals. :/ click here
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.25 23:44:00 - [84] Originally by: Intense Thinker Flashes **** and scares all the devs away before they can lock this thread* Great, now I am going to have nightmares tonight
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.08.26 00:00:00 - [85] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 26/08/2010 00:00:42 Originally by: Riedle In order for that to make ANY sense you would have to agree that the **'s were fundamentalist Christians and they were nothing of the sort so the analogy doesn't work. * = short term for national socialists. Bull**. Not only were they Christians, they were quite happy to justify their actions as the will of god. http://www.nobeliefs.com/**1.htm Replace the ***s in the link with the last name of the leader of WWII Germany. -----------
Sergeant Spot Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.26 01:39:00 - [86] If I honestly believed it was not an Islamic trophy building ("Islamic" community center with a prayer room, or full blown Mosque... either way....), I'd lose no sleep over it. But it is a 911 trophy building. If it was really about "healing" and "building Bridges", then it would be perfectly reasonable for the Russians to build a "Community Center" dedicated to Stalin in the general area of Katyn Forest. Having said that, most folks that are against it, actually SUPPORT the right of a property owner, EVEN IN THIS CASE. But there sure ain't no reason to be quiet about it, and there is EVERY reason to expose where the money came from (and if the money turns out honest, if they did not like getting investigated, they should not provoke people....) If it turns out that the money is dirty, all bets are off. Play nice while you butcher each other.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.26 04:54:00 - [87] Originally by: Riedle Edited by: Riedle on 25/08/2010 18:42:37 Quote: Fine, no mosque near places where Islam has done horrible things. I wouldn't agree to that. I am saying, and what the majority of Americans are saying, is no to that mosque at that location. They recognize they have the right to do so, but they would prefer them not to and the more reasonable of them are asking the developers to construct it somewhere else. Quote: However, since we aren't hypocrites, we'll also have to hold every other religion to the same standard. I agree and I think, by in large, the west does. If anything most people tip toe around the subject when it is brought up. Quote: For example, that means no churches allowed anywhere near a Christian or branch of Christianity has done anything that anyone might not like (including existing churches: those with redeeming architectural or historical features will be converted to a more productive use, the rest will be bulldozed and the land sold to the highest non-church bidder). What? You mean we effectively just banned churches? Awesome. It's not like they were good for anything anyway. Ok, a bit of a rant there... I would support your right to protest a church being built in a location where you didn't think it appropriate. Quote: Oh wait, I forgot, Islam is the only religion where we don't recognize that there are different factions with different ideologies and we blame everyone for the actions of a single group. If you want to believe that then that is your right but I don't see how it related to this subject at all. You find us an example of religious extremists other than radical Islamist who want to build a house a worship near where mass murder was done in their name and then we'll talk. I can tell you that you are not likely to find a single example, but if you do I will be right there saying that while they would have a RIGHT to build it, they should be more respectful and not do so. Riedle, just imagine how much better you could have used the time it took yu to type that post if you have a sense of irony.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.26 05:00:00 - [88] Originally by: Sinister Dextor Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Intense Thinker Bacon rocks!!!! Agreed. Now forgive me but, isn't this thing getting build 4 blocks away from ground zero and won't it be hard to find another building that you can stuff all of the things they want in? Manhatten is not exactly known for its wide open spaces. Yeah, they could probably do with knocking a few buildings down. lmao. Coffee... sprayed everywhere.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.26 05:08:00 - [89] Originally by: Intense Thinker Originally by: Bodrul Originally by: Intense Thinker A Muslim is an adherent of the religion of Islam. what you said makes no sense, it's like saying a Doberman isn't a dog. i am a Muslim, i follow the teachings of Islam, my actions are those of my own, the way i follow islam is my actions, a Muslim should follow the islamic teachings but that doesnt make that person Islam. as mentioned before Christianity and so forth along with islam are faiths and not entities. just because one person uses the title Muslim doesnt mean he is Muslim or represents other msulims anyhow on the ground Zero mosque, like US muslim relations arent really at a low Iraq Afganinistan (Creating alquida with Pakistan inteligence didnt help) Israel Pakistan (for decades arming a dicator) India, (hypcoracy with the nuclear reactor deals) Iran with the shah and so forth sont think Faith has anything to do with the bad blood between the US and some people in the country the forign policies which it has used. Ok now in English plz, I can become Islam? No, you moron. That's the point. As said before and you mistook the meaning, Al-qaeda is not Islam. Just like Bodrul is not Islam.
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.26 05:28:00 - [90] For those saying it's 4 blocks from ground zero, keep in mind how many blocks the debris and body parts covered from ground zero. Youtube 911 and see for yourself.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.26 05:36:00 - [91] Originally by: Atticus Fynch For those saying it's 4 blocks from ground zero, keep in mind how many blocks the debris and body parts covered from ground zero. Youtube 911 and see for yourself. So there's a new "No Mosques allowed within one block of 9/11 body part landing zone" legislation coming through? I sure hope so, this is an disgrace! I don't want any mosques near the place where my buddy's arm landed.
MooKids Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.26 06:30:00 - [92] A black man goes into a white neighborhood and starts shooting up the place, yelling "eat lead whitey!" and ends up getting himself killed. Years later a completely unrelated black man, who is not a threat and quite peaceful, wants to move into the area to live a quiet life. Is the second black man being insensitive to the white neighborhood and do the white families have a just reason for not wanting him to move in? -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.08.26 07:11:00 - [93] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 26/08/2010 07:12:00 Originally by: MooKids A black man goes into a white neighborhood and starts shooting up the place, yelling "eat lead whitey!" and ends up getting himself killed. Years later a completely unrelated black man, who is not a threat and quite peaceful, wants to move into the area to live a quiet life. Is the second black man being insensitive to the white neighborhood and do the white families have a just reason for not wanting him to move in? Of course it would be insensitive, even without the shooting incident. A black guy moving into a white neighborhood is incredibly insensitive, just like those icky brown people trying to build something in good traditional white New York. White people should not have to deal with being exposed to cultures that are in any way different from them! And yes, it's about racism. Why else would some middle-eastern Christians come to *protest against the mosque* and then get attacked by the other protesters? Clearly anyone with that color skin must be an Islamic terrorist mass-murderer! Link. The simple fact is that all this talk of being "insensitive" or "dishonoring the victims" is really just people who don't want to openly admit that they're being racist and prejudiced against anyone who isn't like them. -----------
DarthJosh DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.26 07:19:00 - [94] http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/bigot_slashes_muslim_cabby_TytIBS5mBIh4PZoC8r4KuK thanks guys, mission is a success, you won over the iraqies and brought freedom. - Desusigs!
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.26 08:58:00 - [95] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Link. America. Providing comedy via Irony since 1776.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 11:41:00 - [96] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 26/08/2010 00:00:42 Originally by: Riedle In order for that to make ANY sense you would have to agree that the **'s were fundamentalist Christians and they were nothing of the sort so the analogy doesn't work. * = short term for national socialists. Bull**. Not only were they Christians, they were quite happy to justify their actions as the will of god. http://www.nobeliefs.com/**1.htm Replace the *s in the link with the last name of the leader of WWII Germany. The fact that you think the national socialist movement was a religious movement speaks only to your ignorance on the subject. They were very bad people and the movement was disgusting but it was not a religious movement. No serious scholar thinks so. Here is a link to their platform btw Here is an excerpt: Quote:** We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples. 2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated. 3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population. 4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman. 5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens. 6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen. We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness. 7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich. They were obviously not a religious movement. They were a nationalist movement. I can't see any mention of God which one would expect, no? lol Lots of mentions about the 'State' as you would expect from a nationalist movement. In anycaase, that is all I'm going to say about that silly subject. I don't have time to teach you history. click here
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 11:43:00 - [97] Quote: just like those icky brown people trying to build something in good traditional white New York Lol, quite obviously you have never been to New York. click here
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.08.26 13:27:00 - [98] Originally by: Atticus Fynch For those saying it's 4 blocks from ground zero, keep in mind how many blocks the debris and body parts covered from ground zero. Youtube 911 and see for yourself. I had two friends from college pass on 911. That is no excuse for me to get all riled up about this. US citizens have a far to significant sense of invulnerability and they need to get over it. The people that are getting upset would not be getting upset if it was a church or synagogue. I say that this is an unacceptable double standard considering all the ** that organized religion has started. I do not like religious institutions one bit, but the US cannot have their cake and eat it to. They just need to deal with it. Originally by:** Riedle They were obviously not a religious movement. They were a nationalist movement. I can't see any mention of God which one would expect, no? lol Lots of mentions about the 'State' as you would expect from a nationalist movement. In anycaase, that is all I'm going to say about that silly subject. I don't have time to teach you history. The "State" can reach a god like status. Just saying. Plus one of the primary motivators for eradicating the Jews was because they were Jewish Absolutely no religious motivations there. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 13:49:00 - [99] Quote: The "State" can reach a god like status. Just saying. Plus one of the primary motivators for eradicating the Jews was because they were Jewish Absolutely no religious motivations there. Right. People can become fanatic about all sorts of things besides religion. And you are right again, because no secular dictatorship has ever persecuted minorites... Oh, except Stalin, ****, Pol Pot, **** etc etc ad nauseum lol click here
Fumitsugu Sylwia	Posted - 2010.08.26 14:23:00 - [100] Quote: The "State" can reach a god like status. Just saying. Plus one of the primary motivators for eradicating the Jews was because they were Jewish Absolutely no religious motivations there. To be fair, the motivation was more social than religious. Because the National Socialists also targeted Romas, the handicapped, Communists and gays(among others) in some bizarre search of racial/national/social homogeneity.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.26 14:24:00 - [101] Originally by: DarthJosh http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/bigot_slashes_muslim_cabby_TytIBS5mBIh4PZoC8r4KuK thanks guys, mission is a success, you won over the iraqies and brought freedom. Wow, this guy is ****ing badass. "This is a checkpoint, motherf- - -ker! I have to put you down!" Instant classic.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 14:35:00 - [102] Quote: I feel Riedle's argument can be summed up in this way: 20,000 Polish POWs were executed by the Red Army. A Russian guy tries to set up a Russian expat club near my Warsaw flat. We picket it and ask them not to hold their club near us, because it is insensitive. Thanks - you got it. click here
Fumitsugu Sylwia	Posted - 2010.08.26 14:37:00 - [103] Edited by: Fumitsugu Sylwia on 26/08/2010 14:37:38 Originally by: Riedle Quote: I feel Riedle's argument can be summed up in this way: 20,000 Polish POWs were executed by the Red Army. A Russian guy tries to set up a Russian expat club near my Warsaw flat. We picket it and ask them not to hold their club near us, because it is insensitive. Thanks - you got it. I was being ironic. It isn't insensitive.
Land0 CaIrissian Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.08.26 14:43:00 - [104] Edited by: Land0 CaIrissian on 26/08/2010 14:44:27 The is thread has only further solidified my belief that the internet has trashed the collective intelligence of my country. edit: in before, BUT I DON'T LIVZ IN UR COUNTRY!!!
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.26 14:44:00 - [105] Originally by: Land0 CaIrissian The is thread has only further solidified my belief that the internet has trashed the collective intelligence of my country. Nicaragua?
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 14:48:00 - [106] Originally by: Fumitsugu Sylwia Edited by: Fumitsugu Sylwia on 26/08/2010 14:37:38 Originally by: Riedle Quote: I feel Riedle's argument can be summed up in this way: 20,000 Polish POWs were executed by the Red Army. A Russian guy tries to set up a Russian expat club near my Warsaw flat. We picket it and ask them not to hold their club near us, because it is insensitive. Thanks - you got it. I was being ironic. It isn't insensitive. In your opinion it might not be but that doesn't mean it feels insensitive to others and that their feelings are any less valid than yours. So you got it despite yourself. :) click here
Fumitsugu Sylwia	Posted - 2010.08.26 14:56:00 - [107] Originally by: Riedle Originally by: Fumitsugu Sylwia Edited by: Fumitsugu Sylwia on 26/08/2010 14:37:38 Originally by: Riedle Quote: I feel Riedle's argument can be summed up in this way: 20,000 Polish POWs were executed by the Red Army. A Russian guy tries to set up a Russian expat club near my Warsaw flat. We picket it and ask them not to hold their club near us, because it is insensitive. Thanks - you got it. I was being ironic. It isn't insensitive. In your opinion it might not be but that doesn't mean it feels insensitive to others and that their feelings are any less valid than yours. So you got it despite yourself. :) Conversely, it is insensitive to deny someone their social space due to the actions of some who you believe to be a part of the same group you perceive them as belonging to, be it social, national, religious or something else. There are plenty of Irish and Muslim social organisations in London and the British have been targeted by extremists belonging to both groups, have they not?
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 15:08:00 - [108] Quote: Conversely, it is insensitive to deny someone their social space due to the actions of some who you believe to be a part of the same group you perceive them as belonging to, be it social, national, religious or something else. There are plenty of Irish and Muslim social organisations in London and the British have been targeted by extremists belonging to both groups, have they not? There are lots of Irish and Muslim social organizations in New York as well. lol click here
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.26 15:11:00 - [109] Originally by: Fumitsugu Sylwia Conversely, it is insensitive to deny someone their social space due to the actions of some who you believe to be a part of the same group you perceive them as belonging to, be it social, national, religious or something else. Bull**. It's not like they randomly picked a location to build their Mosque at and it just happened to be next to the monument site, and now they're being "denied their social space". Asking someone to stop being insensitive is not insensitive, it's their **ing fault in the first place for picking that spot. But really, targeted PR coup to "build relations" backlashes, crybabies cry, spinmeisters spin, this is a storm in a water glass. I say build the Mosque, you're either a free country or you're not. It's not like you're suddenly reminded of the Islamic contribution to the events that day simply because there's a Mosque there. Something I hope for is that they have that shouting in the loudspeakers at exactly the time when the planes hit the towers, year after year. Man that would be hilarious.
Dray Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.26 15:24:00 - [110] The real issue is that it's not an issue, the political right stirred up a storm to put Obama on the spot, he can't stop it being built because it's unconstitutional, but he can't openly support it because it would give the right more ammunition to use against him. Why hasn't anyone called into question the ethics of the politicians who are using the death of over 2000 people to further a political agenda? Because lets be honest here, that's the real issue.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.08.26 15:25:00 - [111] Originally by: Dray Why hasn't anyone called into question the ethics of the politicians who are using the death of over 2000 people to further a political agenda? Because lets be honest here, that's the real issue. Politicians being politicians? In my real life? It's more likely than you think.
Fumitsugu Sylwia	Posted - 2010.08.26 15:27:00 - [112] Originally by: Riedle There are lots of Irish and Muslim social organizations in New York as well. lol Sorry, what's your point? Originally by: So Sensational I say build the Mosque, you're either a free country or you're not. Exactly. What I don't understand is the way that a lot of people seem to view members of the Islamic faith as one coherent, homogenous, mass that should exhibit some sort of collective guilt for what a tiny minority of them did. And how many victims, or those who knew victims, of (illegal) US aggression in other countries have to drive past a McDonald's or Starbucks* every day on the way to work? *If someone could perhaps give me a more profound example of American culture I would be most grateful.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 15:30:00 - [113] Quote: Sorry, what's your point? Umm.. they exact same as yours? click here
Fumitsugu Sylwia	Posted - 2010.08.26 15:43:00 - [114] Originally by: Riedle Quote: Sorry, what's your point? Umm.. they exact same as yours? I believe the big difference is the lack of media coverage when someone builds a mosque or Irish pub.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 16:06:00 - [115] Originally by: Fumitsugu Sylwia Originally by: Riedle Quote: Sorry, what's your point? Umm.. they exact same as yours? I believe the big difference is the lack of media coverage when someone builds a mosque or Irish pub. So you think that location has nothing to do with it? You must be that pedantic to prove your 'point' that Americans are ugly bigots or something to that effect I suppose? You think this is the only Mosque in the USA or something or even in New York? There are lots of Mosques in New York and this is the only one that people are upset with and I guess you just think it's a coincidence. But yes, you are right. People opposed to the Mosque being built there are simply racists and/or bigots because of it, right? My what a nuanced, honest and empathetic argument you have. click here
Chipan Asty	Posted - 2010.08.26 16:44:00 - [116] Watch this, buy the book (always better than the TV version) take a HUGE step back and look at the world objectively, cry a bit about all the suffering that religion has caused, then understand that the only feasible objection to hold is to object to a plan to build a shrine to a story book character that influenced some gullible people to murder thousands of people in the name of god. Disgusting. Better plan ... bulldoze all churches, flatten all mosques, rip apart all synagogues. Educate the deluded desperate masses so they no longer need religion then outlaw it so it can never again stain humanity. Suddenly the world is a better place.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 16:51:00 - [117] Quote: Disgusting. Better plan ... bulldoze all churches, flatten all mosques, rip apart all synagogues. Educate the deluded desperate masses so they no longer need religion then outlaw it so it can never again stain humanity. Suddenly the world is a better place. Uhh... that was already done. Look up the history of the Soviet Union. Organized religion there was outlawed. Oh, and it's estimated that they killed 40 million of their own citizens in the mean-time. oops! Yup, a real shangrila you got yourself there. lol click here
Atticus Fynch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.08.26 17:02:00 - [118] Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 26/08/2010 17:04:30 I started this thread as a joke. something to giggle about. but it has taken a serious tone so Im sorry i brought it up. You guys need to laugh at the stupidity of life...don't take it so seriously, we only have a short time on this earth.
Chipan Asty	Posted - 2010.08.26 17:07:00 - [119] Originally by: Riedle Uhh... that was already done. Look up the history of the Soviet Union. Organized religion there was outlawed. Oh, and it's estimated that they killed 40 million of their own citizens in the mean-time. oops! Yup, a real shangrila you got yourself there. lol Yes. They killed in the name of a sky fairy called god. They killed because they foolishly believed in religion and killed for their right to believe in a story that was written before people could even explain why rain fell from the sky. Just as the christians have killed countless thousands in the name of god. Not a single good thing has come of religion, or if it has, then religion was not needed to produce said good thing. Seriously, the only way to a better world is to educate people that there is no god. I'm baffled that people can actually believe these stories ... and some people do, they REALLY do believe. It's very depressing.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 17:12:00 - [120] Originally by: Chipan Asty Originally by: Riedle Uhh... that was already done. Look up the history of the Soviet Union. Organized religion there was outlawed. Oh, and it's estimated that they killed 40 million of their own citizens in the mean-time. oops! Yup, a real shangrila you got yourself there. lol Yes. They killed in the name of a sky fairy called god. They killed because they foolishly believed in religion and killed for their right to believe in a story that was written before people could even explain why rain fell from the sky. Just as the christians have killed countless thousands in the name of god. Not a single good thing has come of religion, or if it has, then religion was not needed to produce said good thing. Seriously, the only way to a better world is to educate people that there is no god. I'm baffled that people can actually believe these stories ... and some people do, they REALLY do believe. It's very depressing. Are you really this dumb or are you trolling me? The Soviet Union OUTLAWED religion and these same people who outlawed religion killed 40 million of their own citizens. I was attempting, in vain it seems, to convey to you that religion is not the basis of the bad things in society - it is fanaticism. That can be with religion or NOT such as with the Soviet Union. There are many other examples. In fact, secular fanaticism has killed many more innocents than religious fanaticism. Anyaways, OP my final vote is for 'You Mecca me Horny' lol click here
Dray Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.08.26 17:12:00 - [121] Originally by: Riedle Oh, and it's estimated that they killed 40 million of their own citizens in the mean-time. oops! The Russians killed 40 million of their own because of religion, must've missed that part in world history, thanks for the heads up. This just in, facts are important when making a point. True story.
Chipan Asty	Posted - 2010.08.26 17:27:00 - [122] Nah, religion has caused more death and suffering and hatred than atheism. Chances are if you are christian, your parents told you that you were christian before you were even capable of understanding what it meant. Because it was drummed in to you at an early age it becomes near impossible to doubt it for the rest of your life. If you were unlucky enough to have had this impressed upon you, and you actually believe in the religion you were forced to believe in as a child, try believing in a different religion. It's impossible. For people lucky enough to be raised without religious hokum forced upon them, believing in god is as impossible as an informed choice as it is for a christian to believe that hinduism is the truth. And if you HAVE become religious of your own accord then fair enough, but you should probably try reading and thinking for yourself a bit more.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 17:30:00 - [123] Originally by: Dray Originally by: Riedle Oh, and it's estimated that they killed 40 million of their own citizens in the mean-time. oops! The Russians killed 40 million of their own because of religion, must've missed that part in world history, thanks for the heads up. This just in, facts are important when making a point. True story. No, they did not do it because of religion.. lol That's my point. ~sigh~ click here
Abraham Azadian Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2010.08.26 17:36:00 - [124] Originally by: Riedle So you think that location has nothing to do with it? You must be that pedantic to prove your 'point' that Americans are ugly bigots or something to that effect I suppose? You think this is the only Mosque in the USA or something or even in New York? There are lots of Mosques in New York and this is the only one that people are upset with and I guess you just think it's a coincidence. But yes, you are right. People opposed to the Mosque being built there are simply racists and/or bigots because of it, right? My what a nuanced, honest and empathetic argument you have. I just leave this here
Fumitsugu Sylwia	Posted - 2010.08.26 17:40:00 - [125] Edited by: Fumitsugu Sylwia on 26/08/2010 17:41:04 Originally by: Riedle Originally by: Fumitsugu Sylwia Originally by: Riedle Quote: Sorry, what's your point? Umm.. they exact same as yours? I believe the big difference is the lack of media coverage when someone builds a mosque or Irish pub. So you think that location has nothing to do with it? You must be that pedantic to prove your 'point' that Americans are ugly bigots or something to that effect I suppose? You think this is the only Mosque in the USA or something or even in New York? There are lots of Mosques in New York and this is the only one that people are upset with and I guess you just think it's a coincidence. But yes, you are right. People opposed to the Mosque being built there are simply racists and/or bigots because of it, right? My what a nuanced, honest and empathetic argument you have. That's a serious extrapolation! If there was this level of media coverage due to people building mosques and Irish clubs within a mile or two of the sites of attacks, there wouldn't be nearly as many "Irish" buildings given the IRA have perpetrated 30 or so attacks since 1970. And since the most recent attack by Islamic extremists targeted the city wide transport network, I'm fairly sure there would be fewer mosques. It's not as if the Muslims of Manhattan are raising a plaque saying "Here we celebrate the glorious end of a handful of brave Muslim heroes" at the site of the attack. This is also a complete non-issue, which is only being discussed because of the enormous amount of spin being put on it. An unfortunate side effect is that the global public's opinion of the American population will lower another notch.
Riedle Minmatar Wayne's TV and Appliances	Posted - 2010.08.26 17:48:00 - [126] I already understand that it is a non-issue to you. The fact is it IS an issue to alot of people that have valid concerns about the project. Your agreement with them or not is not needed to make their concerns valid and reasonable. click here

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.26 17:51:00 - [127] Thread has degenerated into a political/religious discussion. No real surprise there. Locked as political and religious discussions are not permitted on the forums. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online


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