New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

Tom is mostly correct...

omg this buff, I was a ganker but now...



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Holy crap, you're right!

Will High sec ever be the same again?
Will CCP's changes to barges eleminate PVP forever?
Does PVP have a future at all?
Is Eve doomed to die a silent death?
Will the FBI guys on the tv show I'm watching right now catch the bad guy? (I think so; they are packing some serious firepower)

Find out next time during the explosive and shocking season premier of Eve:Online! Check local listings for showtimes.

Edit: FBI got the guy, btw

I have retired my 13 alts and its children from eve. I am a carebear, but realizing that PvP being eliminated by these buffs is just completely unacceptable.

I mean, what am I suppose to do in EVE as a miner now? Just stare at my screen in High sec with no one bothering me? Space will be empty now, jita will have no more spam, I can't even think of a reason to play.

it's not just the barge changes, it's crimewatch too

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Tom is mostly correct. Mining barges have no turret or missile hardpoints, so their offensive PvP options are limited to smartbombs and drones. This situation is unacceptable.

If Industrialists can have Battle Badgers then why the frell can't miners have Battle Barges?

This Just in!

Changes in Ore Mining Barges sends unemployment through the roof!

Thousands of Pvp'ers sign up for benefits...

The future of the star cluster is in doubt..

An anonymous ganker went on the record saying "who moved my cheese?!?!?"

Hi Mom! I am posting in a Tom Gerard thread!!!! 0/

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

you could gank in a battleship no?

Holy crap, you're right!

Will High sec ever be the same again?
Will CCP's changes to barges eleminate PVP forever?
Does PVP have a future at all?
Is Eve doomed to die a silent death?
Will the FBI guys on the tv show I'm watching right now catch the bad guy? (I think so; they are packing some serious firepower)

Find out next time during the explosive and shocking season premier of Eve:Online! Check local listings for showtimes.

Edit: FBI got the guy, btw

you could gank in a battleship no?

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

NickyYo posting in a Tom Gerard thread. Isn't this like dividing by zero?

Ganking isn't PVP.

Exactly.

That's like saying you "got into a fight with someone and won" when all you really did was knock them out with a baseball bat from behind, or with a sucker punch like a ***.

You have to be a special type of spineless worm to do that IRL and a special type of epic failure PVPer to do that in Eve to miners.

Personally, I equate it to knocking out old ladies with sucker punches or baseball bats.

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

*Sigh*

Some people just don't get this game.

Its not real life.... thats the point. I don't go around shooting anything or anyone for any reason in real life, even if its a fair fight and even if the person who I'm shooting agreed to have a shoot out!

Its a game... ganking is part of the game.. its not a reflection of the RL morales or ethics of a human being controling the online character in his fantasy world as he flys around in an make belief ship having make beleif space ship battles.

Judging someones morales on what they do in Eve is like judging an actors morales based on a role he played in a movie. It doesn't make any bloody sense..

So much butthurt on this forum it hurts my ass and my eyes.

Flash news: PVP is about fighting players and some of them choose ships with no guns and horrible hp by bad design

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

It's almost like groundhog day with the same threads appearing day after day.

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

Judging someones morales on what they do in Eve is like judging an actors morales based on a role he played in a movie.

I'll miss the terrifying Hulk blob fleets.

You haven't seen a Gankfit hulk yet have you?

stick some Neuts/Nos in the Highs, Scrammer in the mid, shield modules everywhere else.

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP.

This has to be the stupidest statement I've heard out of any pvper in eve to date.
So am I to understand then that pvp is really only about "ganking " non-combat ships? So because barges which are larger than cruiser sized and T2 finally have their stats adjusted to T1 battle crusier and smaller, where they should be, you can no longer play the game and kill folk? This must be a joke.

Have you even tried any Sisi play to confirm that your way of eve life has been "destroyed"? because I have.. and guess what, barges can be killed. No, you can't kill them in 4 seconds with a frig or destroyer - but you should never have been able to do that in the first place.. and some more news.. the hulk is not changing that much. so if you spot a toothless tankless hulk, you are saved.. you'll be able to "pvp" again.

stupid thread.

This has to be the stupidest statement I've heard out of any pvper in eve to date.
So am I to understand then that pvp is really only about "ganking " non-combat ships? So because barges which are larger than cruiser sized and T2 finally have their stats adjusted to T1 battle crusier and smaller, where they should be, you can no longer play the game and kill folk? This must be a joke.

Have you even tried any Sisi play to confirm that your way of eve life has been "destroyed"? because I have.. and guess what, barges can be killed. No, you can't kill them in 4 seconds with a frig or destroyer - but you should never have been able to do that in the first place.. and some more news.. the hulk is not changing that much. so if you spot a toothless tankless hulk, you are saved.. you'll be able to "pvp" again.

stupid thread.

{Missing the point of the thread stuff here}

stupid {Not empty quoting here}

Ganking isn't PVP.

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

This has to be the stupidest statement I've heard out of any pvper in eve to date.

Yeah, since when did trying to blow up a ship before being concorded equate to player vs player? That's still PVE in my book.

You mean, "player vs. unarmed ship"? Yeah, I agree with you completely. Heaven forbid a player actually goes up against A PLAYER THAT SHOOTS BACK!! *shock* *gasp*

Forget it sista, you are preaching to a deaf audience.

You mean, "player vs. unarmed ship"? Yeah, I agree with you completely. Heaven forbid a player actually goes up against A PLAYER THAT SHOOTS BACK!! *shock* *gasp*

A "real" pvp'er wouldn't have said something this stupid. Hence...

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

Yeah, since when did trying to blow up a ship before being concorded equate to player vs player? That's still PVE in my book.

Exactly.

That's like saying you "got into a fight with someone and won" when all you really did was knock them out with a baseball bat from behind, or with a sucker punch like a ***.

You have to be a special type of spineless worm to do that IRL and a special type of epic failure PVPer to do that in Eve to miners.

Personally, I equate it to knocking out old ladies with sucker punches or baseball bats.

Which part of ganking an unarmed target qualified as 'PvP'?

omg this buff, I was a ganker but now...



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The fact both are players.

As I stated before... that seams to be the only justification that gankers are able to come up with...

The fact both are players.

The "versus" implies a two-way conflict.

have their stats adjusted to T1 battle crusier and smaller, where they should be,.

show me the T1 battlecruiser that has 80k ehp unfit

The fact both are players.

You mean the gankers will have to go back to ganking haulers and making an actual profit instead of getting subsidized ?

What will they do they won't qualify for food stamps anymore ?

It is.

We can still make a profit on bad miners.

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

Sorry, things don't become true just because you want them to be (or think they are).

Does the dev reply need to be posted again? Ganking miners was never ment to be profit. Who says you still cant fight miners? Bring more people or more fire power, but for the love of all that is EVE bring less tears.

In this case its true because its true.

We should just take your word for it? Give us some facts, references, numbers... something other than "I know EVERYTHING!"

Also, you've got a dang edit button. Use it. Double posts make you look addled.

NickyYo posting in a Tom Gerard thread .... Did someone just google google?????? THE WORLD WILL END

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

sorry for asking but what exaclty is changing on wednesday? i cant find anything explaining the changes to mining ships.

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

all of that is just myth , legend from the Jovian Empire ...
the only pvp In new eden is The AWESOMNESS GATECAMP PVp ... the true One , the beloved one , the cherished one , the Balls one...

INDEED

New Mining Barge stats completely eliminate PVP, With the exception of low-sec, null-sec, null-fleets, CTAs, Batphones, POS-shooting, Faction Warfare, Gate Gamping, WH raiding, Miner Raiding, Mission Busting, Plex Busting. War-Declarations, Can-Flipping, Piracy, small gang roaming, T3 Roams, Drunk Fleets, Ganked nights, destroyer roams, wolf packs... other than that there is no PVP for former gankers.

king hulk is not going to be lord of the miners anymore, the mining frigates will no longer be mining frigates, their job is going to a mining frigate. The hulk and covetor will be the roid munchers, the retriver and mack will be the fatboys with big ore holds and the procurer and skiff will be the bricks of the mining world.

Miners are whining because we can still kill them and the bad gankers are whining because they are bad at ganking.

king hulk is not going to be lord of the miners anymore, the mining frigates will no longer be mining frigates, their job is going to a mining frigate. The hulk and covetor will be the roid munchers, the retriver and mack will be the fatboys with big ore holds and the procurer and skiff will be the bricks of the mining world.

Miners are whining because we can still kill them and the bad gankers are whining because they are bad at ganking.

so hulks will still be king yield, retr. will be fatter and all these barges will have better defenses?

Skiff and procurer will be the tanky ones. The others will be slightly better to no change.

Ah, but actors are given/offered specific roles, and how they portray them is influenced to some extent by the director. An EVE player has complete creative freedom and as such you can tell a lot about their mentality by how they choose to play.

Don't spend all your time griefing people in RL? For some it is only RL consequences that stops them. Put them in New Eden and take away those consequences and they now have the freedom to be the annoying assholes that they always wished they could be.

Anyway, I'm a noob so what do I know?
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sorry for asking but what exaclty is changing on wednesday? i cant find anything explaining the changes to mining ships.

You need to come in from the belts once in awhile bro....