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Mark Duquesne	Posted - 2011.05.20 21:00:00 - [661] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 EBANK does not own any titan related items anymore and has not for quite sometime. Audit? Audit is the most dread and powerful of the three Lords of the IRS.
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.05.22 08:12:00 - [662] E-bank actually paid?
Cerrydwin	Posted - 2011.05.23 23:13:00 - [663] Confirming actual isk received. Thanks for sticking through what must have been a brutal grind.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.05.24 00:10:00 - [664] Originally by: Cerrydwin Thanks for sticking through what must have been a brutal grind. It doesn't take 2 years to sell assets and distribute ISK to depositors. Unless of course you want depositors to jump through hoops that include giving away full API keys, DNA samples, and the names of each pet you have Seriously, create shares to distribute to depositors, sell assets, issue dividends. EBANK made it a hundred times more difficult than it needed to be in the guise of "we don't want to pay back people who scammed us".
ebri Akachi	Posted - 2011.05.24 00:21:00 - [665] Edited by: ebri Akachi on 24/05/2011 00:25:28 Wow. When i first started playing eve i was amazed at the complexity and wanted more. It was a growing dream to create a banking institution... I set off to learn how, and I found it had been tried and conquered... while it is still a little dream of mine, I like how EBANK held through. I think we all look at eve as a harsh environment, where you eat or are eaten. That is the simplistic view. It is a world were you make connections and grow... or you don't. EBANK may not have been the best place to grow, or atleast not when things got bad, but it certainly wasn't the rapid dog waiting to gnaw your bones. I hope EBANK or other's like it will make more connections and grow even more, again. Empathy has and will remain man's greatest asset. Not all of us have empathy in the virtual, but EBANK tried and other's will too. Jsut my 2 cent. Also, as far as it taking 2 years. Ebank's holdings were roughly 2.5 trillion ISK. I could be wrong but at the time of its failure that was almost 1% of the economy. You don't liquidate that in a month, at-least not at a good price. Some people here are claim as much as 50% or more of their investment back. There isn't a chance in heck it would have been that much or more if the liquidated in a "timely" matter. Suddenly reintroducing 1% of the economy on such a short deadline would wipe the value of their non-liquid assets which they seem to have plenty of. People are so used to the real world FDIC, we have forgotten that like everything in life that makes you money, its a risk. Banking is supposed to be a risk, if it weren't you would be paying them interest. Edite: said 10%, but I'm pretty sure its 1%. Anyone else have the numbers? lol
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.05.24 00:51:00 - [666] you're an idiot it took two years because they still wanted to play imaginary spaceships banker with what was left of other people's money despite the obvious conceptual failure of banking in eve "they didn't end up just stealing the rest" is the highest praise anyone can make, besides that it is all incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion never forget how it really went down
RAW23	Posted - 2011.05.24 00:55:00 - [667] Originally by: Elise DarkStar it took two years because they still wanted to play imaginary spaceships banker with what was left of other people's money despite the obvious conceptual failure of banking in eve "they didn't end up just stealing the rest" is the highest praise anyone can make, besides that it is all incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion never forget how it really went down This.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:13:00 - [668] Originally by: Elise DarkStar you're an idiot it took two years because they still wanted to play imaginary spaceships banker with what was left of other people's money despite the obvious conceptual failure of banking in eve "they didn't end up just stealing the rest" is the highest praise anyone can make, besides that it is all incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion never forget how it really went down I don't think its fair to categorize the situation as JUST "incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion". It's also "you're not as important as my RL so I'm going to take my own sweet time dealing with this because its just a game and it doesn't pay the bills. kthnx" I would also add in "there was a tremendous web of information that had to be sorted but due to the fact that RL stuffz takes precedence over superimp0rtant3v3stuffz, it took longer than it might if other individuals that had more time to devote to it were in charge." Thanks for the fresh perspective though, we always appreciate hearing from our listeners. /finger
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:13:00 - [669] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Cerrydwin Thanks for sticking through what must have been a brutal grind. It doesn't take 2 years to sell assets and distribute ISK to depositors. Unless of course you want depositors to jump through hoops that include giving away full API keys, DNA samples, and the names of each pet you have Seriously, create shares to distribute to depositors, sell assets, issue dividends. EBANK made it a hundred times more difficult than it needed to be in the guise of "we don't want to pay back people who scammed us". ..You and I have disagreed in the past. But on this topic, we see eye to eye.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:15:00 - [670] Originally by: Elise DarkStar you're an idiot it took two years because they still wanted to play imaginary spaceships banker with what was left of other people's money despite the obvious conceptual failure of banking in eve "they didn't end up just stealing the rest" is the highest praise anyone can make, besides that it is all incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion never forget how it really went down ..And another who speaks exactly how I think.

Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:19:00 - [671] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I don't think its fair... You're discussing the approximate 6 months it took from the decision to liquidate, and I don't fault anyone for the pace they chose. I'm referring to the approximate 1.5 years it took to finally make the correct decision to liquidate.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:20:00 - [672] Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 24/05/2011 01:22:13 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I don't think its fair to categorize the situation as JUST "incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion". It's also "you're not as important as my RL so I'm going to take my own sweet time dealing with this because its just a game and it doesn't pay the bills. kthnx" I would also add in "there was a tremendous web of information that had to be sorted but due to the fact that RL stuffz takes precedence over superimp0rtant3v3stuffz, it took longer than it might if other individuals that had more time to devote to it were in charge." Thanks for the fresh perspective though, we always appreciate hearing from our listeners. /finger ..What a fresh perspective from a company man! Along with riding the RL > Eve excuse train into forgiveness. RL doesn't come close to being a good excuse for taking so long. And RL really doesn't come close to justifying EBANK's extremely poor treatment directed to investors.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:37:00 - [673] Originally by: Syds Sinclair Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 24/05/2011 01:22:13 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I don't think its fair to categorize the situation as JUST "incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion". It's also "you're not as important as my RL so I'm going to take my own sweet time dealing with this because its just a game and it doesn't pay the bills. kthnx" I would also add in "there was a tremendous web of information that had to be sorted but due to the fact that RL stuffz takes precedence over superimp0rtant3v3stuffz, it took longer than it might if other individuals that had more time to devote to it were in charge." Thanks for the fresh perspective though, we always appreciate hearing from our listeners. /finger ..What a fresh perspective from a company man! Along with riding the RL > Eve excuse train into forgiveness. RL doesn't come close to being a good excuse for taking so long. And RL really doesn't come close to justifying EBANK's extremely poor treatment directed to investors. Well luckily, you opinion about whether RL is a good excuse or not doesn't really matter. In fact, no one's opinion really matters about that except my own. It is what it is. You've got a lot of pent-up frustration about all this and I really don't think it's healthy. And just to set the record straight to anyone who is as delusional as you, I'm not seeking any forgiveness. I didn't steal anything and I simply tried to do something I had no experience with, no time to do, and that had never been done in Eve. I don't think we are even beating a dead horse at this point. The horse has been dead for years and now we're just swinging wildly at the air. Honestly you and your opinions are about as interesting as me and mine, not interesting at all. We should have a stare-off.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:01:00 - [674] ..Great. Case closed. As long as we're in agreement that you and your cohorts dropped the ball, are incompetent, and should never be trusted with public ISK again.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:16:00 - [675] Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..Great. Case closed. As long as we're in agreement that you and your cohorts dropped the ball, are incompetent, and should never be trusted with public ISK again. Sure, if I was in fact responsible for losing public isk, then you would be correct. So we agree, in your what-if situation I would not trust myself with public isk either. You either really like to troll, don't know all the details and are making stuff up as you go, or you're actually trying to make us look good by lowering your posting quality below ours. Maybe its a mix of all three.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:22:00 - [676] ..My points stand even tho I will forfeit that you did not lose public ISK. Except that charitable donation EBANK's investors made to VV's pled drive.
MailDeadDrop The Collective	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:24:00 - [677] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 We should have a stare-off. That would require less talking. Substantially less. MDD
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:25:00 - [678] Originally by: MailDeadDrop Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 We should have a stare-off. That would require less talking. Substantially less. MDD Thanks for getting what I was saying.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:32:00 - [679] Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..My points stand even tho I will forfeit that you did not lose public ISK. Except that charitable donation EBANK's investors made to VV's pled drive.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:34:00 - [680] Originally by: Syds Sinclair Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..My points stand even tho I will forfeit that you did not lose public ISK. Except that charitable donation EBANK's investors made to VV's pled drive. I guess technically that isk came from a lottery I won using my own isk to enter, although my isk and ebank isk has ended up in the same pot going back to investors so yes ebank investors made the donation.

Rafia Landras Audeles Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:39:00 - [681] Edited by: Rafia Landras Audeles on 24/05/2011 02:40:00 Originally by: Syds Sinclair Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..My points stand even tho I will forfeit that you did not lose public ISK. Except that charitable donation EBANK's investors made to VV's pled drive. You know, sometimes, there is a point to trolling. Sometimes, there isn't. This is probably the later situation. The money is paid, what else you want? You can't haz AC's *********, he already donated them to science as his unfortunate portrait will attest. He is unlikely to seek your forgiveness either. Did you even invest in ebank? The war is over. You won. Have grace in victory.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 03:35:00 - [682] ..^^ Go be wall streets PR rep.
Wengy Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:59:00 - [683] I've been away from EVE, I've got 501 shares to EVE bank, how do I cash them in, or can I?
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:19:00 - [684] lol - 2 years to make a decision that a competent person would have made in 2 minutes
The Illustrious Juden	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:24:00 - [685] Originally by: Wengy I've been away from EVE, I've got 501 shares to EVE bank, how do I cash them in, or can I? Good news and bad news. I'll just tell you the good news. You managed to avoid 2+ years of deliberate and methodical torture and victimization.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.30 03:43:00 - [686] Originally by: The Illustrious Juden Originally by: Wengy I've been away from EVE, I've got 501 shares to EVE bank, how do I cash them in, or can I? Good news and bad news. I'll just tell you the good news. You managed to avoid 2+ years of deliberate and methodical torture and victimization. What's the bad news?
Krythas	Posted - 2011.05.30 04:32:00 - [687] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: The Illustrious Juden Originally by: Wengy I've been away from EVE, I've got 501 shares to EVE bank, how do I cash them in, or can I? Good news and bad news. I'll just tell you the good news. You managed to avoid 2+ years of deliberate and methodical torture and victimization. What's the bad news? He can't have a pony.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.05.30 18:48:00 - [688] Edited by: Ghoest on 30/05/2011 18:54:14 Originally by: Elise DarkStar you're an idiot it took two years because they still wanted to play imaginary spaceships banker with what was left of other people's money despite the obvious conceptual failure of banking in eve "they didn't end up just stealing the rest" is the highest praise anyone can make, besides that it is all incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion never forget how it really went down That is a wonderful post. Maybe the best post ever to start with "You're and idiot." Wherever you went - Here you are.
Andrew Wulfe	Posted - 2011.06.04 12:12:00 - [689] So are Evebank distributions done? Based on Ray's estimate of distributions per share I've gotten about half wehat I expected so far. I know AC said hold on to the shares because more was on the way. Just wondering where we were.
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.08 12:37:00 - [690] I have not received a penny, EVE bank account was Strrogash. Can you please confirm that you will send something my way or not or do I need to make a mausoleum for my 6 bill? ./praise for the pay outs to others.



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