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Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.19 18:46:00 - [1] This is the last official announcement from the EBANK Board of Directors. Liquidation EBANK is liquidating. Why? Because. How? Shares will be issued to verified account holders, one share per full one million ISK. Dividends will be issued as and when funds become available. When? Now. You have until the 1st of December 2010 to verify your account, after that no more shares will be issued and your balance will be forfeit. Verification If you have supplied us with your API or BLEEP key then your role in the process is done. The bank will review your account and issue shares if no warning flags are raised. Last Word Never, ever invest in a 'bank' again.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.09.19 18:50:00 - [2] On behalf of no one, including myself, Thanks for the timely update and closure.
leona starfire LS Trading and Production Inc. Lucky Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.19 18:58:00 - [3] As a percentage how many accounts have verified as active ?
Prokonsul Piotrus Minmatar Prokonsular Republic	Posted - 2010.09.19 18:58:00 - [4] If I don't want any shares, can I withdraw my isk? -- One day, we will return to the planets... please, CCP? :) EVE-Wiki - share your knowledge in one place.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Prokonsul Piotrus If I don't want any shares, can I withdraw my isk? Fail at reading much? ISK will be transfered through the share system. If you don't want any shares, you won't get any ISK.
Athias	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:01:00 - [6] Originally by: Prokonsul Piotrus If I don't want any shares, can I withdraw my isk? Then you can send them to me
49473 Jita Trade and Research Institute	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:05:00 - [7] I will purchase shares for 100k if you want your isk sooner than december.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:09:00 - [8] Originally by: leona starfire As a percentage how many accounts have verified as active ? As of now 1,574 users have verified accounting for 1,299,822,557,648.672 ISK. The remaining 5,690 users account for 626,956,849,110.3722 ISK. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:14:00 - [9] Originally by: 49473 I will purchase shares for 100k if you want your isk sooner than december. Dividends will start sooner than December. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Biocross	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:14:00 - [10] I'll purchase them for 110k if you want money sooner rather than later.

RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:17:00 - [11] Congratulations! What caused the volte face?
Athias	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: 49473 I will purchase shares for 100k if you want your isk sooner than december. Dividends will start sooner than December. So you will start paying out dividend before all shares has been allocated to the different people ?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Athias So you will start paying out dividend before all shares has been allocated to the different people ? Yes. The longer you take to verify your account the more risk you assume that there may be insufficient funds to pay out your missed dividends. Follow My EBANK Chatter
49473 Jita Trade and Research Institute	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Athias Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: 49473 I will purchase shares for 100k if you want your isk sooner than december. Dividends will start sooner than December. So you will start paying out dividend before all shares has been allocated to the different people ? Indeed, unless they are going to distributing multiple different types of shares, I don't get it.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:46:00 - [15] This announcement is uncharacteristic in that it is on time, short, and doesn't contain any \fingers, but it is characteristically cryptic. Free universal jumpclone service: 10.000 users!
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Estel Arador it is characteristically cryptic. You're just reading it in stupid. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Ray McCormack Dividends will start sooner than December. If you are going to just pay out dividends starting now-ish and going until there is nothing left to pay out, why even bother setting a deadline for account verification? It sounds like there's no guarantee that there will be any assets left to pay out as dividends on 2010-12-01. Is that right? So someone might meet your account verification deadline and still get nothing? á á
Ave Volta Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2010.09.19 19:58:00 - [18] Congrats! -------------------------------- chown -R us:us /yourbase
49473 Jita Trade and Research Institute	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:06:00 - [19] I will buy EBANK shares at 150k per share. Also, it does not seem very reasonable to set a deadline for account verification and then later start liquidation before that deadline.
cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:11:00 - [20] I'll buy any shares at 300K but has to be before first dividend is paid out.

Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Ray McCormack Liquidation EBANK is liquidating. Why? Because. Best post ever. Originally by: Ray McCormack Last Word Never, ever invest in a 'bank' again. Epic. ______________________________
49473 Jita Trade and Research Institute	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:13:00 - [22] Originally by: cosmoray I'll buy any shares at 300K but has to be before first dividend is paid out. I'll pay 350k per share Also, I don't believe any shares have even been distributed yet.
Biocross	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:17:00 - [23] Originally by: cosmoray I'll buy any shares at 300K but has to be before first dividend is paid out. I'll buy them at 400k per share.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:21:00 - [24] Originally by: 49473 Originally by: cosmoray I'll buy any shares at 300K but has to be before first dividend is paid out. I'll pay 350k per share Also, I don't believe any shares have even been distributed yet. Do you guys have some insider info on the current asset/liability ratio?
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:23:00 - [25] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: 49473 Originally by: cosmoray I'll buy any shares at 300K but has to be before first dividend is paid out. I'll pay 350k per share Also, I don't believe any shares have even been distributed yet. Do you guys have some insider info on the current asset/liability ratio? It could just be based on the number Ray quoted above as ISK that was verified, and previous amounts listed on balance sheets. I'd guess the tally is above 50% based on those numbers. ______________________________
Shae Laurel	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:26:00 - [26] When will the reviewing be done for the accounts that have supplied the API or BLEEP key?
Lucyna Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises	Posted - 2010.09.19 20:31:00 - [27] Edited by: Lucyna on 19/09/2010 20:33:41 Edit: Have share distributions started? _________ Eve - for when I'm not playing minecraft ;)
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.19 21:06:00 - [28] /taps Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :)
Business Classy Business Class Investments	Posted - 2010.09.19 21:08:00 - [29] Impressive
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.09.19 21:18:00 - [30] Well played.

Johnny Ringo Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.09.19 21:27:00 - [31] Will the dividends be automatically paid to shareholders, or will there be some application process to convert shares into isk?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2010.09.19 21:38:00 - [32] Farewell, then. I never invested, and nor was I involved with it in any other way, but I shall miss the forum drama. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.19 21:51:00 - [33] so maybe now you can tell us: what have you been doing for the last year? how long did it take the staff to get a decent asset valuation after Ricdic's theft? for how long did you try to rebuild EBANK before deciding on liquidation? how many man-hours have been spent by EBANK staff on this project since the freezing of accounts? what happens to the retained staff wages, what about wages for employees that were hired after the freeze? will the liquidation be overseen by a 3rd party? What is going to happen to OOG EBANK assets (website & infrastructure, operating procedures/knowledge, ...)? Will there be any efforts to sell off these assets (for ISK) as part of the liquidation process?
Business Classy Business Class Investments	Posted - 2010.09.19 22:08:00 - [34] I believe you intended to pos this though: Quote: Aye, this is the last official announcement from the Ebank Rapscallions o' Directors. Liquidation EBANK is liquidatin'! Ye'll be gettin' me buried booty soon! Why? Pirate! How? Shares will be issued t' 'erified account holders, one share per full one million Dubloons. Di'idends will be issued as and when funds become a'ailable. When? Now. You have until the 1st o' December 2010 t' 'erify your account, af'er that no more shares will be issued and your balance will be sent to Davy Jones! Verification If ye've stored yer Api or Bleep key in our hold then your role in the process be done. The bank will re'iew your account and issue shares if no Jolly Roger be raised. Last Word Ne'er, e'er in'est in a 'bank' again.
Lecherito	Posted - 2010.09.19 22:29:00 - [35] And so the final remanent of an ancient MD age finally moves on. I look forward to embracing the coming days with you all. -L
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.19 23:13:00 - [36] I'm on the fence about reposting "the banker went down to Jita"... though it feels now like the bank lost. Might have to redo the lyrics. Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :)
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.19 23:30:00 - [37] Great move. Should have done it a year ago.
Disruptive Debby Best of the SS	Posted - 2010.09.19 23:57:00 - [38] What a puussy scam
Dav Varan	Posted - 2010.09.20 00:03:00 - [39] So ends the biggest scam in mmo history !
EBANK SencneS Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2010.09.20 00:05:00 - [40] Edited by: EBANK SencneS on 20/09/2010 00:06:31 Originally by: Mme Pinkerton What have you been doing for the last year? How long did it take the staff to get a decent asset valuation after Ricdic's theft? For how long did you try to rebuild EBANK before deciding on liquidation? How many man-hours have been spent by EBANK staff on this project since the freezing of accounts? What happens to the retained staff wages, what about wages for employees that were hired after the freeze? Will the liquidation be overseen by a 3rd party? What is going to happen to OOG EBANK assets (website & infrastructure, operating procedures/knowledge, ...)? Will there be any efforts to sell off these assets (for ISK) as part of the liquidation process? 1) - Working ISK and building value. 2) - Many months, loans also are part of this which took at least six months to really finalize, and some loans have literally only been paid back recently. 3) - From D-Day till the day Ray posted about final verification. The BOD literally talked about and approved liquidation that day. 4) - Man hours... Ray may be able to give you an idea on total slot usage, but here is an example. Over the last year, I installed at least 2,500 invention jobs, as part of those invention jobs I installed the copy jobs for them, my Manufacturing and science slots have never really seen any rest, about 90% of the jobs where installed at a POS which gets 25% speed bonus, and I have the 4% mfg speed bonus, I spent close to 2 hours a week in a freighter collecting delivery hangers, market activity consisted of mostly set and forget type orders. That is just me, Ray, AC and for a while Athre had multiple characters doing the same thing. Together we could have over 120 production slots and 100 science slots in use pretty consistently. 5) - No pay has been issued to any employee since the freeze. Retained wages where zeroed out at least six months ago. 6) - No. 7) - All assets are up for sale :) If someone wants to buy EBANK technology contact Ray about buying the tech. (Yeah I'm throwing him under the bus) :) If someone wants to buy the tech, then I would vote to sell it. 8) - It wasn't discussed, but really it is a secondary effect. The website will most likely expire and someone else can register the name etc. But now since you bring it up, sure if a buyer wants it, we should sell it. Edit:- Adjusted invention jobs from 1,500 to 2,500 due to a typographical error. SencneS Board of Directors EBANK

Jamie Banks Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2010.09.20 00:16:00 - [41] Edited by: Jamie Banks on 20/09/2010 00:17:32 Came expecting dissapointment. Left with disbelief. Edit: Until the ISK hits my account the later still stands. _______________________________ Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' AU/NZ Corp Register
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.09.20 00:17:00 - [42] Originally by: EBANK SencneS Together we could have over 120 production slots and 100 science slots in use pretty consistently. I'm not sure if I should congratulate your determination or cry.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.20 00:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: EBANK SencneS Together we could have over 120 production slots and 100 science slots in use pretty consistently. I'm not sure if I should congratulate your determination or cry. Either way I suggest a large amount of drinking be involved. ______________________________
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.09.20 00:48:00 - [44] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: EBANK SencneS Together we could have over 120 production slots and 100 science slots in use pretty consistently. I'm not sure if I should congratulate your determination or cry. That's a tad misleading, and I see that now, that's "Could" not "always" and since Athre's departure capacity was depleted. At this point in time, we have 66 Manufacturing jobs running, 29 Science jobs running. Manufacturing is pretty consistent usage, Science jobs is pretty light at the moment. I would say when Athre was in, it was pretty consistent of between 80-90 production and at least 60 science jobs. Science jobs run by the others where almost always ME and PE research of BPOs which where put up for sale. When Athre left, she took 3 characters with her, I think... I'll have to confirm that, I know she had 2, but I can't remember if she had a 3rd. We had 120 Production lines at various arrays, clearly with 10 or 11 characters we didn't have 120 production jobs running. Sorry about that, I was thinking production lines but realized we didn't have 12-13 characters in corp. I'll take this opportunity to sell some stuff. T2 Component BPOs, ME10, PE20 or better are up for sale. Complete Sets of all 36 BPOs are 300mil a set. Individual BPOs are priced at 8.5mil each. We have at least 5 complete sets to sell right now, an additional 5 sets are currently being cooked. Amarr for Life
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.09.20 01:06:00 - [45] Originally by: SencneS That's a tad misleading, and I see that now, that's "Could" not "always" and since Athre's departure capacity was depleted. Thanks for clarifying that. I can see that when Athre left, it would have hurt your available jobs. I have maintained 90 science and 90 production jobs practically non-stop for well over a year. Which is part of the reason I wanted to cry. It seems you guys did put forth an effort, but perhaps more could have been done. Then again I am winding down my invention business due to just not enough time with work right now, so I know how much you guys probably hated knowing that you have to log in to start jobs It's not much fun when your game time is more like a 2nd job
Commander Godsmack	Posted - 2010.09.20 04:14:00 - [46] I'll buy for 400,000.01 a share
Athre Minmatar The Higher Standard	Posted - 2010.09.20 04:54:00 - [47] Originally by: SencneS When Athre left, she took 3 characters with her, I think... I'll have to confirm that, I know she had 2, but I can't remember if she had a 3rd. We had 120 Production lines at various arrays, clearly with 10 or 11 characters we didn't have 120 production jobs running. 2 characters that could run a total of 21 Lab and 21 Production jobs concurrently. I can not say for sure how many jobs were running at all times but when Ray put his <redacted> production orders out, there were times all were already running before I logged in. I thought that was 120 but I may be mistaken.
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.20 05:25:00 - [48] Originally by: Ray McCormack This is the last official announcement from the EBANK Board of Directors....Why? Because. ... Last Word Never, ever invest in a 'bank' again. Twelve and a half percent! hell you could probably name your toon twelve and a half percent and people will probably all but throw themselves out a spacelock wearing nothing but a greedy grin to give you money in this game. . . Im guessing the real "why" is it stoped being fun. cant blame you. . . . . . . . . a (Long) Guide to Pi
Twelveandahalf percent	Posted - 2010.09.20 05:39:00 - [49] Step 1 Create Character, Step 3 Profit! PERFECT PLAN! ------------------------ Never EVER give me a dime for any reason Im a Bloody Con Artist, any ISK you send to me for any reason you will never EVER get back. Get Over It.
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.20 05:42:00 - [50] I think I will save time and start loathing you now. . . . . . . . . a (Long) Guide to Pi

Dogius Meatius	Posted - 2010.09.20 05:48:00 - [51] Originally by: SencneS I'll take this opportunity to sell some stuff. T2 Component BPOs, ME10, PE20 or better are up for sale. Complete Sets of all 36 BPOs are 300mil a set. Individual BPOs are priced at 8.5mil each. We have at least 5 complete sets to sell right now, an additional 5 sets are currently being cooked. Can you provide set details? I'd be interested in a set. Please email me in game/offer a contract and reservation pending details.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Groove Inc	Posted - 2010.09.20 05:48:00 - [52] Just waiting on a website password reset and I'll get all verified. For all the people whining about "Well what about people who are inactive?" I say that there's responsibility on their part for some due diligence. I took some time away from the game, but since I've heard about Ricdic pulling the scam and all that, I've kept up with what's been going on every month or so, to see if I'd have any ISK when I came back. I'd think anyone half-interested in ever coming back would do the same if they had assets they planned on being there when/if they returned. It couldn't have been easy, left to deal with the mess Ricdic caused. People will complain, but at the end of the day we all knew that like everything else in EVE, something can go awry. For those who've been working on getting this best sorted over the past year or so I say thanks for all the time and effort. It couldn't have been easy at any step of the way. Given the massive undertaking that people were left to clean up, I suspected it would come to this.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.20 06:59:00 - [53] Had not a lot of time to follow the various forum stories. When did Athre leave? Is it the reason why you are going to close? For some reason I kinda hoped you'd not close down and would show you could survive even against the odds. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Filious Tacabus Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.09.20 07:24:00 - [54] Looks like the e-bank menu¦s are gone. Will it be posible to be able to transfer from one account to another?
Roguehalo Caldari Resonance Laboratories	Posted - 2010.09.20 07:59:00 - [55] I think I have a mill or so in there somewhere. It's ok though you guys prolly need it more than me so you can keep it
Samroski	Posted - 2010.09.20 12:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: 49473 I will purchase shares for 100k if you want your isk sooner than december. Dividends will start sooner than December. This seems strange. When dividends are paid off, the money is distributed automatically to all the shareholders iirc. How can you start distribution before all the shares have been issued? How are you going to pay "dividend" to those shares issued after the first dividend?
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.09.20 13:20:00 - [57] Originally by: Ray McCormack This is the last official announcement from the EBANK Board of Directors. Liquidation EBANK is liquidating. Why? Because. How? Shares will be issued to verified account holders, one share per full one million ISK. Dividends will be issued as and when funds become available. When? Now. You have until the 1st of December 2010 to verify your account, after that no more shares will be issued and your balance will be forfeit. Verification If you have supplied us with your API or BLEEP key then your role in the process is done. The bank will review your account and issue shares if no warning flags are raised. Last Word Never, ever invest in a 'bank' again. Why didnt you just do this when i said to 8 months ago. Daddy jovial could have saved you and everyone else alot of pain.
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.09.20 13:31:00 - [58] NONONONONO, You're doing it wrong. You are supposed to steal the money! Originally by: Jovialmadness Why didnt you just do this when i said to 8 months ago. Daddy jovial could have saved you and everyone else alot of pain. Because they've been raising a semi-reasonable amount of isk to give back to everybody?
Mishkaii	Posted - 2010.09.20 13:41:00 - [59] Originally by: Dirk Mortice NONONONONO, You're doing it wrong. You are supposed to steal the money! This. Nobody makes trailers about the Merlin pilot that returned the money.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.20 13:53:00 - [60] Originally by: Dirk Mortice Because they've been raising a semi-reasonable amount of isk to give back to everybody? Really? Do you think the amount they have raised over the last 12 months will balance out the 100s of billions that have been lost to those who have left the game in that period? It's possible, I guess, but it's very hard to be sure on the basis of their incomplete public accounts.

Biocross	Posted - 2010.09.20 13:58:00 - [61] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Dirk Mortice Because they've been raising a semi-reasonable amount of isk to give back to everybody? Really? Do you think the amount they have raised over the last 12 months will balance out the 100s of billions that have been lost to those who have left the game in that period? It's possible, I guess, but it's very hard to be sure on the basis of their incomplete public accounts. If they left the game then what do they care about ISK one way or the other?
Axemaster	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:11:00 - [62] I don't get it. Why don't you just walk away with all the remaining isk? Why do you seem decent?
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:12:00 - [63] Originally by: Biocross Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Dirk Mortice Because they've been raising a semi-reasonable amount of isk to give back to everybody? Really? Do you think the amount they have raised over the last 12 months will balance out the 100s of billions that have been lost to those who have left the game in that period? It's possible, I guess, but it's very hard to be sure on the basis of their incomplete public accounts. If they left the game then what do they care about ISK one way or the other? The point is they might have quite liked to spend it whilst they were still in the game
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:14:00 - [64] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Dirk Mortice Because they've been raising a semi-reasonable amount of isk to give back to everybody? Really? Do you think the amount they have raised over the last 12 months will balance out the 100s of billions that have been lost to those who have left the game in that period? It's possible, I guess, but it's very hard to be sure on the basis of their incomplete public accounts. And the two aren't (weren't) mutually exclusive. They could have released shares as soon as they had a general idea of the remaining asset value, and then ran the entire organization like an investment fund, increasing the value as much as their drive to "do the right thing" dictated. The only possible commendations anyone should be getting from EBank is for stubborn determination, though I personally don't value misguided and/or deluded determination. I honestly still cannot grasp Ray's motivation through all this. I'm fairly confident that despite his various titles and seeming leadership over the bank, that he was always a "servant" (employee perhaps? I can't find the right word) to the final whims of the other directors. Perhaps he wanted the challenge or thought the bank was an important institution...I'm not sure. However, at some point long ago he must have realized that this was all a pretty awful idea, yet he stuck through regardless. I've never considered Ray a dumb person, and I think he's the only person whose competence I would still have some faith in. I would trust the rest of them to hold my money, but not make competent and appropriate decisions when faced with a dilemma of any sort.
Biocross	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:21:00 - [65] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Biocross Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Dirk Mortice Because they've been raising a semi-reasonable amount of isk to give back to everybody? Really? Do you think the amount they have raised over the last 12 months will balance out the 100s of billions that have been lost to those who have left the game in that period? It's possible, I guess, but it's very hard to be sure on the basis of their incomplete public accounts. If they left the game then what do they care about ISK one way or the other? The point is they might have quite liked to spend it whilst they were still in the game The point is that that is a completely pointless hypothetical. They obviously had more ISK than they wanted to spend, or needed at a given time or else they wouldn't have "invested it" as it were. It's unlikely that they went "Oh man, I don't have enough for a fitted Zealot due to them EBANK scammers, time to hang the good old pod and move on to WOW", and if they did get trolled into quitting by this instead of say T4U or any of the other lulzworthy "investment opportunities", the irony still exists that this seems to be one of the few massively compromised operations where people will ACTUALLY GET THEIR MONEY BACK(!). That is the most striking thing of the whole affair, I believe, Ray and co, whatever anyone thinks of them actually put quite a few hours in a situation where they could have said "you know what, **** it, it was a scam, lulz", came to a solution where whoever is still active can get their money back (verification schmerification), and really get nothing out of the whole thing whatsoever (and if they get a few million it would still be the biggest effort, lowest paying scam of all time).
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:24:00 - [66] Originally by: Biocross inconsistent and borderline incoherent nattering shush
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:45:00 - [67] Originally by: Biocross That is the most striking thing of the whole affair, I believe, Ray and co, whatever anyone thinks of them actually put quite a few hours in a situation where they could have said "you know what, **** it, it was a scam, lulz", came to a solution where whoever is still active can get their money back (verification schmerification), and really get nothing out of the whole thing whatsoever (and if they get a few million it would still be the biggest effort, lowest paying scam of all time). Didn't at least some of the BOD members also have ebank accounts affected by the freeze/RMT scam? If so, their efforts do in part benefit them, as the % returned is greater. It also explains the determination and absolute unwillingness to give money back to the unverified, potential scam accounts: I know in Ray's shoes I'd absolutely not want to distribute a share of my own isk out to the very guys that scammed me. Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :)
BIG Brain BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.09.20 14:45:00 - [68] Having confirmed my accounts a while back - do I have to do anything now? No Sig for me anymore
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:18:00 - [69] One thing I don't understand is: just a few days ago you made a big point out of not allowing the sale of EBANK balances, even between verified accounts; now you present us a system which seems to encourage exactly this behavior (as you cannot control what happens to the shares once they are issued). care to enlighten me on that sudden switch of opinion? PS: I would understand this if the reasoning had been "we don't allow the sale of account balances at this point in time as we are planning to roll out our own system for this sort of transactions" but the argument was "sale of account balances won't ever be allowed because it is bad".
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:23:00 - [70] Originally by: Mme Pinkerton One thing I don't understand is: just a few days ago you made a big point out of not allowing the sale of EBANK balances, even between verified accounts; now you present us a system which seems to encourage exactly this behavior (as you cannot control what happens to the shares once they are issued). care to enlighten me on that sudden switch of opinion? PS: I would understand this if the reasoning had been "we don't allow the sale of account balances at this point in time as we are planning to roll out our own system for this sort of transactions" but the argument was "sale of account balances won't ever be allowed because it is bad". as I see it - that happens all in game and not OOG so can be tracked fine by ccp .... --

Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:37:00 - [71] Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 20/09/2010 15:45:05 @Dzil - I can't speak for the others involved but my isk and assets were tossed into the "pot" a long time ago. Not out of pride or any other delusional ideas, but because I don't think I'll be needing it after this thing's been wrapped up. Regarding Athre leaving, obviously we would have liked to keep her around but she had to leave us for her own reasons. There is no ill will towards her, and she is also not the reason the bank is liquidating. Regarding account verification, if you have already verified then you should be just fine. Regarding password resets, we do have a ticket system for resetting passwords and other issues. http://support.eve-bank.net/ Anything else you guys wanna know? I'm in a good mood and if you know me you know this doesn't happen very often. Edit: Don't forget to turn off your CSPA charge so I can send you your reset password. Prolly a good idea to go ahead and add "EBANK Amarr155" as a buddy. -----------------/finger I only post on MD when I'm too drunk too give a ****.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.09.20 15:57:00 - [72] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Anything else you guys wanna know? I'm in a good mood and if you know me you know this doesn't happen very often. What caused you guys to change your minds?
kveldulfson The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.20 16:00:00 - [73] I am not overly suprised yet slightly disapointed that you could not rescue the situation. I look forward to getting some if not all my 5 billion back.. Hard feelings none after all this is a game and **** happens
Biocross	Posted - 2010.09.20 16:08:00 - [74] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Anything else you guys wanna know? I'm in a good mood and if you know me you know this doesn't happen very often. I'd love to know the inside story from your perspective, no names of course.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.20 16:23:00 - [75] Quote: Anything else you guys wanna know? Why did you toss the sponge when you looked like you were to recover? If it was me I'd be pised like crazy just to say the least. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read* http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.20 16:32:00 - [76] Originally by: BIG Brain Having confirmed my accounts a while back - do I have to do anything now? Besides standing there looking (beer goggle) sexy, nope. Follow My EBANK Chatter
El'essar Viocragh Minmatar Meltdown Luftfahrttechnik	Posted - 2010.09.20 16:43:00 - [77] Originally by: Samroski Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: 49473 I will purchase shares for 100k if you want your isk sooner than december. Dividends will start sooner than December. This seems strange. When dividends are paid off, the money is distributed automatically to all the shareholders iirc. How can you start distribution before all the shares have been issued? How are you going to pay "dividend" to those shares issued after the first dividend? That had me, as an innocent bystander, confused too. They could issue multiple payouts in blocks, but since every share always gets its share of the dividend, that would result in an uneven distribution where 'early' shares receive more dividend per share than 'late' ones. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.09.20 16:52:00 - [78] Edited by: SencneS on 20/09/2010 16:54:52 Gabriel Virtus PMed me in game after I said I would never invest in him, after a long talk he asked about EBANK etc. Then I told him EBANK one day would eventually close down, and it's likely that full recovery wouldn't have been achieved. Despite all the efforts we put forth, recovery of over 1.6 Trillion ISK was going to take a long time. After a year and finally writing off all defaulted loans etc and all our billions on billions of profit we where still looking at over 1 trillion debt. The amount we made literally covered just over what we had to write off. As disappointing as that sounds it was a hard fact. I told Gabriel Virtus something similar but I'll change it to address this thread as well. "There are really just three of us, we've done it for over a year, seen zero reward, have been badgered, trolled, been told we're liers and scammers the whole time, yet we stuck with it. At some point in the future we recognize we could all just leave EVE. I mean we all have at least 5+ years in EVE. Each time one of us burns out and leaves EBANK, it puts more pressure on the others to carry on the task, again I'll say Athre leaving was not seen as a hard move, I respect her enough not to hold it against her in anyway.. We tried to hire more people, but no one wants to be part of EBANK when the community is outright attacking it from all angles. Who do we hand over the keys to 700B or more? How can we trust anyone to not just walk away with the ISK.. We're looking for the fastest way to resolve this ordeal. I think all directors respect each the other directors enough to not leave and have them carry the weight and responsibility of this task by themselves. The clearing of unverified accounts is a fast forward button to a faster resolution. I know Ray, AC and I have all been feeling burn out, login time spans are a little shorter, times between login are a little longer. It's only compounded by the fact we're doing it for everyone else, and those people are the ones badgering, trolling, calling us liers and scammers. It's only a matter of time before anyone of us simply has had enough and leaves, and I think each of us release we tried, we put forth the biggest effort we could, but the task was just too big for 3-4 people, let along 10 people." At some point in time you have to realize your efforts are fruitless, the term - Winners never quit, quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are idiots. Speaks volumes in this situations. Amarr for Life
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.09.20 16:53:00 - [79] Pre-December dividend payments, before all shares are distributed ... Odd. Oh, and this: Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 @Dzil - I can't speak for the others involved but my isk and assets were tossed into the "pot" a long time ago. Not out of pride or any other delusional ideas, but because I don't think I'll be needing it after this thing's been wrapped up. When I put on my conspiratorial glasses, I see stars.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.09.20 17:35:00 - [80] Quote: It's only compounded by the fact we're doing it for everyone else, and those people are the ones badgering, trolling, calling us liers and scammers You have to admit that your bank somewhat sprayed fuel on the fire with some quite unlucky forum performances where some of your guys taunted and talked fun things to everyone including depositors who had no guilt. This makes for a much worse comprehension of your dire situation. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz

Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.20 17:47:00 - [81] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Anything else you guys wanna know? I'm in a good mood and if you know me you know this doesn't happen very often. What caused you guys to change your minds? Ze little grey cells told us to. I see Sencnes has already posted his usual wall of text. I can say that unlike what he posted, I never thought "we're doing this for them and this is how they treat us". I've always tried to maintain a very /finger point of view. I can't be something I'm not, I just don't have the energy for that sort of thing. Basically, ** had to get done before any decision could be made. I guess you could say got done. @VV- i dont know anything about any sponges.... -----------------/finger I only post on MD when I'm too drunk too give a **.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.09.20 18:24:00 - [82] For me personally it was never about gratitude or seeking approval etc. But it didn't help that we where treated like crap. I don't like negativity in general, and a lot of people tossed a lot of negativity at all of us. Even if we never got a any kind of reinforced statements that wouldn't have bothered me personal, one bit. But the fact we got an unending amounts of negativity really effected me personally. I can't speak for the others but I've personally seen a change in the way Ray and AC are reacting and I know I feel revealed this is coming to a closure. There is a clear sign of this, if you look at the changes in the way, Ray, AC and I have posted since this announcement. We always had this sense of doing the right thing, and no matter what we did or how it was meet with negativity, I'm sorry if people don't like hearing that. I don't like saying it, but the fact is it happened, it's in the past, still looking forward to the end of an era. Amarr for Life
Ambo Mortis Angelus Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.09.20 20:14:00 - [83] To be honest, I can't believe you guys stuck with it this long. Personally, I would have liquidated it all after the scam and called it a day. No point spending years earning back people's pretend money (in a game that's supposed to be a fun environment where you unwind no less!) Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for you for trying, despite all the **** thrown at you. I don't believe it was ever a feasible target though and I find it incomprehensible that you all tried so hard for so long. I hope you all rediscover the fun side of the game after this is all over. --------------------------------------
cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.09.20 20:38:00 - [84] Personally thought you guys were crazy to stick it out. Zero upside endeavour. I would have liquidated or quit a year ago. Props for hanging out this long.
Pilk Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:27:00 - [85] Edited by: Pilk on 20/09/2010 21:27:27 Ray, At your convenience, can you please verify that I am set to receive shares? I don't seem to have any documentation of what my login to the system used to be. Alternately, I'd be willing to accept ownership of the domain name as payment in full in lieu of shares. I'll provide appropriate real-world documentation upon request. Regards, --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Tyrrax's bet status: PAID!
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.09.20 21:31:00 - [86] Originally by: SencneS We always had this sense of doing the right thing, and no matter what we did or how it was meet with negativity, I'm sorry if people don't like hearing that. I don't like saying it, but the fact is it happened, it's in the past, still looking forward to the end of an era. It is a good thing this is finally coming to a close. However think about everything you (EBank) have went through in the past year. Was it really worth it?? I said it once and I'll quote it again Quote: Most of the problems were caused by people that are not even involved with EBank anymore, so your hands are clean. http://eve-search.com/thread/1161131/page/37#1103 You guys did bust your ass and put up with a lot of ****. Although looking back, Ray didn't always make it easy for you guys either. Were you guys called liars, scammers, and worse? Yes. Did people who were told "next update on this day" have a right to call EBank liars when 2 months after that date, there was still no update? YES. Had the PR been better perhaps it would have been more manageable. Of course you would still have had some of it going on, but at least to the players they would have been able to see progress going on instead of being left in the dark. Glad you guys can finally move on, and I hope your next 5 years in EVE are much more relaxing and enjoyable!
AirCond	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:14:00 - [87] Having confirmed my accounts - do I have to do anything now? when will the shares be sent out ???? Thanks i have had over 6Bill isk stuck in this bank for over a year. about time we had some payback.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:22:00 - [88] I just want to state for the record that, upon reflection, you made the best thread title that I have ever seen Ray. Nice work. ______________________________
Viktor Villiance Caldari Astrosemites Unlimited	Posted - 2010.09.20 22:35:00 - [89] So, I'm starting up a new bank called Super CAM-Bank. Invest in me, totally secure, paying out 20% interest monthly! Best of all, you'll get updates about your frozen accounts only ONE month after they're promised. It's a whole new world of customer service. It was once thought that man could be trusted with the keys to his own destiny, but as it turns out, that destiny was to forever deny himself entry to that fate from the futile effort of ever-lasting
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.09.21 00:45:00 - [90] Originally by: Breaker77 Was it really worth it?? For me it was yeah. I think it would have been highly irresponsible to not try. Even if in the end our original goals where not meet, there is a small satisfaction that we tried. If we had not tried, I think it would have been a regret that would always be nibbling at me. I know that sounds corny but yeah, that's how I feel. Amarr for Life

Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2010.09.21 03:34:00 - [91] Originally by: Steve Thomas Originally by: Ray McCormack This is the last official announcement from the EBANK Board of Directors....Why? Because. ... Last Word Never, ever invest in a 'bank' again. Twelve and a half percent! hell you could probably name your toon twelve and a half percent and people will probably all but throw themselves out a spacelock wearing nothing but a greedy grin to give you money in this game. . . Im guessing the real "why" is it stoped being fun. cant blame you. Warning Terry Pratchett fan! sigh. It's a shame he's so ill.
Filious Tacabus Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.09.21 06:33:00 - [92] RAY: Now ive been making supporttickets and writen on forums for 2 months time to resolve a problem that i have. please help me out with this! I had to sell one of my toons as my isk was running out. Now i got 4b on an e-bank account, witch name does not belong to me no more. Will it be posible to transfer those isk to another account? I can still lock in on both accounts! My first problem was that the isk was in pending mode and couldnt be transfered. Now the pending has been canceled but theres no option to transfer anymore. What to do? Regards Fili
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.	Posted - 2010.09.21 08:15:00 - [93] Damn, I'm out of butter now
MasterChief351	Posted - 2010.09.21 18:58:00 - [94] Does this mean that my current withdraw request which has been around for a month or so wont be filled?Should have put my name on the request first then i proboley would have my isk now im just going to get a dividend...
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.09.21 19:14:00 - [95] As one who spewed some negativity in ebank's direction, Imo this is the correct move which earns some respect. Its about damn time :P I personally thought you had 3 options pressing forward after the whole mess began: 1) Say F it and keep the money 2) Liquidate, likely via a share style approach similar to the one you are now adopting 3) Attempt to make back a good chunk of the money via extremely aggressive money strategies. Heavy amount of studying patch notes/Sisi, get in on technetium, PI NPC goods, reproc oversight, well executed market manipulations, etc. By announcing the intention to attempt to NOT go with option 1, 2, OR 3, I think ebank earned a lot of the negativity that was shoveled in their direction. A simple statement of "we are going to liquidate, but its going to take time" gets a lot more acceptance than "F you, we aren't going to liquidate, instead we're going to invest in a lot of things with terrible returns". Congrats on finally (12? months later) choosing one of the options and going with it.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Groove Inc	Posted - 2010.09.21 19:16:00 - [96] About how long does a Password Reset ticket take? Just asking because it's been a couple days.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.21 20:02:00 - [97] Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 21/09/2010 20:02:13 I'm currently the only one doing password resets and I'm doing them as I get time between working 40+ hours a week at my "day job", being in graduate school for 9 hours a week, teaching night classes 1 night a week, being a dad to a 2 year old, and sometimes having a bite to eat and some shut eye. But I promise, I will get to your request. Edit: Oh and /finger -----------------/finger I only post on MD when I'm too drunk too give a ****.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Groove Inc	Posted - 2010.09.21 20:12:00 - [98] Alright cool. Just wanted to make sure someone was still looking at them so I can get verified and all that business. Thanks.
Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.09.21 21:32:00 - [99] One thing you have to give the current Ebank team--Integrity. Being trolled and harrassed and called names by all the MD community, sitting on so much ISK... working so hard for no reward, and they still gave it their all, admitted their failures, and return what they can of your isk when they could've easily walked away with it all. And for that, they definitely deserve props.
Noun Verber Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.22 08:15:00 - [100] Originally by: Ray McCormack This is the last official announcement from the EBANK Board of Directors. Liquidation EBANK is liquidating. Why? Because. How? Shares will be issued to verified account holders, one share per full one million ISK. Dividends will be issued as and when funds become available. When? Now. You have until the 1st of December 2010 to verify your account, after that no more shares will be issued and your balance will be forfeit. Verification If you have supplied us with your API or BLEEP key then your role in the process is done. The bank will review your account and issue shares if no warning flags are raised. Last Word Never, ever invest in a 'bank' again. You post like this and people give you their money?

Zavulon Sukkot Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.09.22 15:12:00 - [101] Dog, meet pony. Welcome to the show! NATI.
Arloeswr Gallente SaberCorp Draconian Protection Syndicate	Posted - 2010.09.22 20:28:00 - [102] I came to EBANK after the Riddic scandal figuring you would be able to pull out of this. I don't have a large amount of Isk compared to others but to me it is a large chunk. I'm sad to see you liquidate and just wanted to say thank you for your hard work.
Jeadhob	Posted - 2010.09.23 02:27:00 - [103] So I verified but i noticed i have isk in both a checking account and suspense account. Do i need to move that into a particular account to get any Dividends? Thanks
Garulf Hirgon Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.09.23 03:49:00 - [104] That's amusing, you're punishing folks by ignoring requests to reset password then. Inappropriate Signature Locked. StevieSG
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.23 03:57:00 - [105] Originally by: Garulf Hirgon That's amusing, you're punishing folks by ignoring requests to reset password then. You're reading skills are amusing. I hope the guy that resets passwords doesn't come in and see...oh crap there he is. Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 21/09/2010 20:02:13 I'm currently the only one doing password resets and I'm doing them as I get time between working 40+ hours a week at my "day job", being in graduate school for 9 hours a week, teaching night classes 1 night a week, being a dad to a 2 year old, and sometimes having a bite to eat and some shut eye. But I promise, I will get to your request. Edit: Oh and /finger Good luck getting your password reset. -----------------/finger I only post on MD when I'm too drunk too give a ****.
Garion Chan	Posted - 2010.09.23 05:52:00 - [106] Hi Ray, Firstly I would like to applaud you and your team in seeing through the whole operation despite the negativity thrown at you guys. I would like to find out the following: 1) When would the shares distribution start and is there a time line that your team would be following? Or is it going to be distributed on a one time basis after 1st Dec? 2) After shares distribution, when would we be receiving our isk? Is it a regular basis or is it a one time off basis when EBANK has liquidated every asset?
Netherfiend	Posted - 2010.09.23 10:20:00 - [107] what return of the investments are we looking at ? Between 30% and 40%? or will it be higher ? i know it all depends on how many ppl verify their accounts, but would be nice to know what percentage we could expect.
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.09.23 16:49:00 - [108] Originally by: Arloeswr I came to EBANK after the Riddic scandal figuring you would be able to pull out of this. I don't have a large amount of Isk compared to others but to me it is a large chunk. I'm sad to see you liquidate and just wanted to say thank you for your hard work. If you want them to continue to manage your money, make a deal with them. No need to have everybody's money locked up, however. Right?
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.09.23 17:33:00 - [109] Originally by: Garulf Hirgon That's amusing, you're punishing folks by ignoring requests to reset password then. Actually I got my password reset just fine this morning. A little bit of patience isn't a bad thing, considering it's done manually and mailed in-game to the associated account. Is this the new direction of MD, that anything and everything is jumped on to be flamed? I've watched this whole thing from afar, checking on it every month or so to see of any new news. I wasn't frothing at the mouth in anger when Ricdic dashed, it is EVE after all. There were people left to try and clean up his mess. They've spent nearly a year trying. I can't imagine it's been very enjoyable. They've had to make decisions, I'm sure had to change directions a few times when something wasn't working out as well as they hoped, probably missed some deadlines they set. But damn you people missed no opportunity to cause a stink and kvetch and flame about every little thing. I've seen it all. I bet most of you posting and *****ing don't even have anything invested in it, which makes your third grade hyena mentality all the worse. The truth of the matter is, after Ricdic bolted, they could have just divided the rest of the assets among themselves and called it a day, but they didn't. A small handful of people have spent the last nearly a year trying to make back the wealth that it took thousands of players to contribute to in the first place, meanwhile getting flamed and hounded for their troubles the whole way about any little thing that could possibly be nitpicked about, and then some. I don't blame them at all for being sick of it, and sick of you people. God knows I would be. And yet here they still are, trying to give the ISK back to the people who invested it. I agree with their decision. To the "well what about inactive people?" folks, everyone with an internet connection and still interested in having a toe in the water of MMOs knows about what happened with Ricdic, and if they even gave the smallest crap about their invested ISK in this, would have been following along to see what the eventual outcome of this would be. If they haven't, then there's a good chance they're probably never gonna come back to the game anyway, so better that everyone who does still have an interest in the game be able to move on with their EVE-lives. If another year or something somewhere down the line a few people trickle back and wonder where their ISK is, it's just gonna have to be another day in EVE for them. The few folks that were left have done their best with a tremendous burden, and if anyone else here were in the same situation, I doubt you'd have put up with so much for so long or done any better. This is what I've seen as someone from the outside looking in and watching the whole situation for the past year who hasn't cared to gnaw and gnash at any possible thing like they rest of you hyenas, anyway.
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.09.24 14:59:00 - [110] what makes me sad is it was pretty clear from beginning their going to liquidate. It really was not queston of IF, but WHEN. Looking at how much isk was missing and then first couple months earnings to compensate, well im suprised it took this long for BOD to realise: lets just call it and liquidate. Im glad i only have something under a mil in ebank. since it under that i dont get share and there for no dividents either. Well maybe my 30% can go to some that need it more desperetly then me. Just funny how bank after a bank in eve gets murdered at the end.

SetrakDark Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.09.24 15:02:00 - [111] Originally by: Dasola Just funny how bank after a bank in eve gets murdered at the end. Because it's a stupid role-playing idea that needs to die.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.09.24 15:58:00 - [112] Originally by: SetrakDark Because it's a stupid role-playing idea that needs to die. I didn't do EBANK as a role-playing idea... In the beginning, it was made to expand the secondary market. While your narrow point of view has always been troll like. If a Bank was done by correctly and actually followed thought correctly without scam or real life problems then it would be more then just a low interest dynamic investment. You know it, you would just rather troll then admit that a service that would allow you to interact with 3rd party sites do commerce and a host of other things missing from EVE. ahh what do I care, you where one of the year long trolls, trying to convince you is like talking to a maggot to get it to realize it's a maggot and it's only lot in life is eating waste excreted from the rectum of everyone else. Amarr for Life
robaroo0326	Posted - 2010.09.24 19:01:00 - [113] just to double check how do we know if our api's are confirmed that you got them? i'm guessing that if we can log into our account then a window comes up to ask us for the info right?
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.09.24 20:58:00 - [114] Originally by: Ray McCormack This is the last official announcement from the EBANK Board of Directors. Liquidation EBANK is liquidating. When? Now. Are we there yet?
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.09.25 04:51:00 - [115] Originally by: robaroo0326 just to double check how do we know if our api's are confirmed that you got them? i'm guessing that if we can log into our account then a window comes up to ask us for the info right? When you log into the website you pretty much can't do anything until you input your API info. If you can see your account balances and whatnot then it should be good to go I believe. That's just from what I've observed myself though. If I'm for some reason incorrect I'm sure they'll inform otherwise.
Beef Punchmeat	Posted - 2010.09.26 03:09:00 - [116] This is a shame, I'm new to the game, like 4 weeks new, and I wanted to help bring the bank up from the hole it was in. Oh well, as long as I get my money back I'll be happy. Thanks for trying guys. If any of you want to try to do a bank again I'll be happy to help.
admiral fovios Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.09.26 14:13:00 - [117] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Garulf Hirgon That's amusing, you're punishing folks by ignoring requests to reset password then. You're reading skills are amusing. I hope the guy that resets passwords doesn't come in and see...oh crap there he is. Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 But I promise, I will get to your request. Good luck getting your password reset. You deemed offensive the notion that you would punish people by not performing password resets. For this offense, you threaten to punish a person by not performing a password reset. /or were you joking?
Beef Punchmeat	Posted - 2010.09.26 15:21:00 - [118] Question: I'm like 290K short of my next share, may I deposit the diffrence so I get 11 even shares and not lose the diffrence? Sorry bout the spelling, doing this in the eve browser and cannot for the life of me get the spell check to work.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.09.26 18:36:00 - [119] Originally by: Beef Punchmeat Question: I'm like 290K short of my next share, may I deposit the diffrence so I get 11 even shares and not lose the diffrence? Sure, I see no problem with this. Especially since we can't stop it and doing so would be a ball-ache. Follow My EBANK Chatter
robaroo0326	Posted - 2010.09.28 01:47:00 - [120] Who do we talk to about getting the shares cause i have two char that have accounts but neither one has any shares from eve bank so when and where do we get this shares?

Gabriel Virtus hirr	Posted - 2010.09.28 09:42:00 - [121] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Estel Arador it is characteristically cryptic. You're just reading it in stupid. Ray for president 2012! -GV
Kane Portnoy	Posted - 2010.09.29 12:59:00 - [122] Is there any date in your focus for share issue and payment? And also my question if you have any guess about the relation between the dividends for the shares to the amount on the ebank wallets?
omgdutch2005 Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2010.09.29 21:01:00 - [123] stated this is no scram, how do you get verified?, api is still @profile, I want my 6 shares! :P
Khyron Mordaken	Posted - 2010.10.02 23:01:00 - [124] Edited by: Khyron Mordaken on 02/10/2010 23:03:32 Edited by: Khyron Mordaken on 02/10/2010 23:03:12 How do I know if I am varified? to get my isk out of eve-bank? can someone let me know what the process is? Also, how do I check to see how many shares I have based on the ammount of isk in my account?
Khyron Mordaken	Posted - 2010.10.02 23:07:00 - [125] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Beef Punchmeat Question: I'm like 290K short of my next share, may I deposit the diffrence so I get 11 even shares and not lose the diffrence? Sure, I see no problem with this. Especially since we can't stop it and doing so would be a ball-ache. How do I check to see how many shares I have?
foxische Caldari Stone Circle	Posted - 2010.10.03 00:29:00 - [126] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Beef Punchmeat Question: I'm like 290K short of my next share, may I deposit the diffrence so I get 11 even shares and not lose the diffrence? Sure, I see no problem with this. Especially since we can't stop it and doing so would be a ball-ache. where should I deposit a half million isk in a similar case? [Service]Personal standing increase (UNIQUE!) + Setting a corporation
WNxWolfy	Posted - 2010.10.03 17:33:00 - [127] So you're not getting anything as long as your password isn't verified? I've been waiting for my 300m for a while now.
Jeadhob	Posted - 2010.10.04 02:57:00 - [128] I have money in both a checking account and suspense account that I had tried to withdraw sometime after the **** hit the fan... what i'm wondering is.. how much do I actually have and should I try to move it all into one of the accounts... checking or suspense? Thanks
Tempest Inferno Davy Jones Locker	Posted - 2010.10.07 20:30:00 - [129] I have a few questions. I have a loan with collateral that I am close to paying off. 1) Is the deposit system still active? 2) Will I still receive the collateral back when the loan is paid off? 3) If not is there anything i can do to get my ships back? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.10.07 20:33:00 - [130] Originally by: Tempest Inferno 1) Is the deposit system still active? Yes. Originally by: Tempest Inferno 2) Will I still receive the collateral back when the loan is paid off? Yes. Follow My EBANK Chatter

Tempest Inferno Davy Jones Locker	Posted - 2010.10.07 21:01:00 - [131] Ray, I just noticed the move money option is not available any more. How can i pay back the loan? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.10.07 23:41:00 - [132] Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist Originally by: Ray McCormack This is the last official announcement from the EBANK Board of Directors. Liquidation EBANK is liquidating. When? Now. Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.10.08 05:17:00 - [133] Originally by: Tempest Inferno Ray, I just noticed the move money option is not available any more. How can i pay back the loan? Open a support ticket, http://support.eve-bank.net/. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.10.09 07:01:00 - [134] If you need your EBANK password reset and you submit a support ticket, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD would you please include your account name (the character that deposited the original isk that created the account). If I don't know your account name then I cannot reset your password. If you have already created a ticket for a password reset and forgot to include your account name you can go back and add it to your ticket. Thanks. /finger
Rada Ionesco Caldari Club a Seal	Posted - 2010.10.10 08:13:00 - [135] Wow I am so not surprised by this turn of events. Ray your last word should have been your first word when you took over this fiasco and tried to legitimize it to everyone in EVE. LOL.
Zan Daak	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:56:00 - [136] I already had my API set-up in evebank, from before this announcement. I just re-saved the same info to be extra careful, but is there anything else that needs doing for someone who already had the API key saved?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.10 17:18:00 - [137] Told you it was a scam set up by dirty scamming *****s.
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.10.11 01:24:00 - [138] Originally by: Cipher Jones Told you it was a scam set up by dirty scamming *****s. If its a scam, its a failscam (tm). I mean, they're giving money back ... I think they really thought they were doing some kind of public service by locking up what was left and then "rebuilding". Problem is, banks are fail-by-design in this game. Ever notice there is no investment market in Somalia? Yeah, that's why its fail here too. A few gems, sure, but on balance, not worth the time. I'm just glad they finally realized that its far better to say "we all got hosed, take back what is left". It should have been done on day 1, but meh. None of them will have anyone's trust going forward in any event. Oh, and ... Are we there yet?
Drab Cane Carbenadium Industries	Posted - 2010.10.11 04:17:00 - [139] For the EBank staff and BOD: It would have been epic if you had managed to resurrect EBank, but even so, it was a valiant effort. Best of luck in all your future endeavors. ----------------------------------------------- - Who Dares, Wins
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.10.11 05:03:00 - [140] Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist Ever notice there is no investment market in Somalia o rly?

Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2010.10.11 17:44:00 - [141] I still really like this thread title. Can someone make "EBANK: Death Wail" T-shirts? ______________________________
RAW23	Posted - 2010.10.11 17:48:00 - [142] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste I still really like this thread title. Can someone make "EBANK: Death Wail" T-shirts? With Ray in the pose of Munch's 'The Scream'! I'd buy one.
mine4ever	Posted - 2010.10.15 23:22:00 - [143] Is it still on for the 1st Dec or will it be sooner ?
hsv557	Posted - 2010.10.22 23:56:00 - [144] hey guys is anyone else still confused about being Verified, i am i have had my api there since "the event" took place, just wanted to know if "Authentication Type" had to be set to anything specific as well? i think a few of us would appreciate some info on Vierification ie yes just having your api in your profile is enough..
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.10.23 01:10:00 - [145] Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 23/10/2010 01:11:28 Originally by: hsv557 hey guys is anyone else still confused about being Verified, i am i have had my api there since "the event" took place, just wanted to know if "Authentication Type" had to be set to anything specific as well? i think a few of us would appreciate some info on Vierification ie yes just having your api in your profile is enough.. If you can login to your account management page and the site does not instruct you to update your profile with your API then you are verified and there is nothing more you need to do. If you login and it automatically opens your profile and asks you to provide your limited API information in red text then you are not verified.
Amy Aim	Posted - 2010.10.23 01:25:00 - [146] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 23/10/2010 01:11:28 Originally by: hsv557 hey guys is anyone else still confused about being Verified, i am i have had my api there since "the event" took place, just wanted to know if "Authentication Type" had to be set to anything specific as well? i think a few of us would appreciate some info on Vierification ie yes just having your api in your profile is enough.. If you can login to your account management page and the site does not instruct you to update your profile with your API then you are verified and there is nothing more you need to do. If you login and it automatically opens your profile and asks you to provide your limited API information in red text then you are not verified. Hey this is an alt obviously but I was wondering if you or someone could give tips or coaching to an aspiring scammer? I don't log into this character very ofter but I can check the main from the main page. If you're interested I'd be happy to pay a small fee for the help thanks.
Calarin The Knights Templar R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.23 10:16:00 - [147] Originally by: Amy Aim Hey this is an alt obviously but I was wondering if you or someone could give tips or coaching to an aspiring scammer? I don't log into this character very ofter but I can check the main from the main page. If you're interested I'd be happy to pay a small fee for the help thanks. 1 Jita local 2 Copy 3 ... 4 Profit! or grow a brain and come up a new one also lol @ this post being in this thread
Brutalic Caldari Catalina Operations and Logistics Division Supernova Federation	Posted - 2010.10.24 14:39:00 - [148] All I know im still out 3.4 bill and it sounds like we all going to get the shaft.
mine4ever	Posted - 2010.10.26 17:36:00 - [149] Im not far off that i had 2.2B invested in game :(
Katrix	Posted - 2010.10.31 19:51:00 - [150] Edited by: Katrix on 31/10/2010 19:55:02

Katrix	Posted - 2010.10.31 19:53:00 - [151] so you've had my api, and i've been awaiting the "shares", and i'm yet to see any. perhaps i'm daft and someone can help me along with this?
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.01 10:40:00 - [152] Originally by: Katrix so you've had my api, and i've been awaiting the "shares", and i'm yet to see any. perhaps i'm daft and someone can help me along with this? As usual they got the money and no horry to give it back.
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.02 20:37:00 - [153] I wonder that myself.....my account is activated for a long time now but I didn't get any shares or ISK as far as I noticed
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.11.06 14:48:00 - [154] Are we there yet?
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2010.11.07 00:13:00 - [155] Okay so I verified my account with API... when will we receive shares for the ISK? Sales Thread - About Us
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.07 21:55:00 - [156] I had asked in the ebank forums. Up to this point: No shares have been issued! To quote "You haven't missed the boat"
Undead Nosferatu	Posted - 2010.11.14 14:40:00 - [157] Hi, I had 3 accounts in Eve-bank and moved all the ISK into one. When will the shares/payouts happen? Thanks, Nos
Beaver Poucher The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.11.15 20:59:00 - [158] I like the rest of you are wondering if their has been any updates to the Shares.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.15 21:31:00 - [159] No shares have been issued, if your API is verified there is no further action that needs to be taken at this time.
Doctor Kal	Posted - 2010.11.16 02:22:00 - [160] What is going to happen with the software that was EBank's back end?

AirCond	Posted - 2010.11.16 23:23:00 - [161] My Account is Showing as: Cash Accounts Summary AirCond Suspense Account Balance ************** But i Have verify my account so will i be OK for the Pay out ???.
Ginea Moya Caldari O.P.T	Posted - 2010.11.20 10:12:00 - [162] Well, I have a bigger problem than "Are we there yet???" I've been away from EVE for over a year, I don't remember my password for my EVEBANK account, and I can't get a reply from their help desk. I think I send them my API last time I was on EVE, but I really can't say for certain so I really would like to be able to do it now. Help!!! Oh, all that we would have, if I were all here and not all there.
WNxWolfy	Posted - 2010.11.20 16:44:00 - [163] Still waiting for my API to be verified, which I have provided at least three times now.
Issaiah Mustafa The Fornicating Assembly of Gophers and Trolls	Posted - 2010.11.20 17:01:00 - [164] WHen is the t-shirt coming out?
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.11.20 17:18:00 - [165] Originally by: Issaiah Mustafa WHen is the t-shirt coming out? "They said I'd get my ISK after buying this shirt."
KK Jugs	Posted - 2010.11.20 22:53:00 - [166] as usual this has been handled poorly. how will I know if I've been issued with shares? am i supposed to log in to each of my eve accounts daily to check? Why the hell cant I use my joint account? what if my accounts balances are (for example) 1 million and 500 thousand ISK. The half million isnt going to be payed out as a share. So why cant I use my joint account to move money between my characters to bring one account balance up to the full million? that way I have an account with 2 million and the other with 1 million, instead of two accounts with 1.5 million. Otherwise im going to be expected to forfeit a million isk simply because its split between my accounts and im not allowed to move it.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.21 17:59:00 - [167] Originally by: KK Jugs as usual this has been handled poorly. So has your face. Originally by: KK Jugs how will I know if I've been issued with shares? am i supposed to log in to each of my eve accounts daily to check? Do I look like your personal **ing secretary? Logon, click wallet, shares tab, look for lolbank liquidation shares, are they there? no? so what do you do? ing wait! Originally by:** KK Jugs Why the hell cant I use my joint account? We smoked them all, explains a lot, no? Originally by: KK Jugs what if my accounts balances are (for example) 1 million and 500 thousand ISK. The half million isnt going to be payed out as a share. So why cant I use my joint account to move money between my characters to bring one account balance up to the full million? that way I have an account with 2 million and the other with 1 million, instead of two accounts with 1.5 million. Otherwise im going to be expected to forfeit a million isk simply because its split between my accounts and im not allowed to move it. Warning, useful information follows. All accounts will be consolidated for the share issue, so take your accumulated balance into account before "topping up". But tbfh, if you're *****ing about 1m I pity you, fool. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Lecherito	Posted - 2010.11.21 18:18:00 - [168] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: KK Jugs as usual this has been handled poorly. So has your face. Originally by: KK Jugs how will I know if I've been issued with shares? am i supposed to log in to each of my eve accounts daily to check? Do I look like your personal **ing secretary? Logon, click wallet, shares tab, look for lolbank liquidation shares, are they there? no? so what do you do? ing wait! Originally by:** KK Jugs Why the hell cant I use my joint account? We smoked them all, explains a lot, no? Originally by: KK Jugs what if my accounts balances are (for example) 1 million and 500 thousand ISK. The half million isnt going to be payed out as a share. So why cant I use my joint account to move money between my characters to bring one account balance up to the full million? that way I have an account with 2 million and the other with 1 million, instead of two accounts with 1.5 million. Otherwise im going to be expected to forfeit a million isk simply because its split between my accounts and im not allowed to move it. Warning, useful information follows. All accounts will be consolidated for the share issue, so take your accumulated balance into account before "topping up". But tbfh, if you're *****ing about 1m I pity you, fool. At this point, your reputation would probably be better if you'd just grabbed the money and walked. Something something your face? -L
WNxWolfy	Posted - 2010.11.21 20:36:00 - [169] Any chance I'm actually getting my money back as long as my API doesn't appear to be verified and my password isn't being updated? I've tried to do both several times now.
Clair Bear Ursine Research and Production	Posted - 2010.11.22 05:49:00 - [170] Well, I'll be dipped in poo. EBANK wasn't a (complete and total) scam after all. And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question?

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.22 06:01:00 - [171] Originally by: Lecherito At this point, your reputation would probably be better if you'd just grabbed the money and walked. Something something your face? Dude, what are you doing? You know I can only dish it out... Follow My EBANK Chatter
kveldulfson The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.23 10:44:00 - [172] well its been a long drawn out process so a month or so longer is not going to hurt so I will wait patiently to see what happens. I have updated my API key also as I changed it today.
Brin Ruin	Posted - 2010.11.24 14:56:00 - [173] Loving all the *****ing - wait until after December 1st, as per the original post! Thankfully just remembered I changed my API key after a horrible breakup with my corp - changed on evebank site now!
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.25 07:21:00 - [174] FYI, http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1420438
Kaya Divine Gallente Kittens Factory	Posted - 2010.11.25 11:08:00 - [175] Instead of ISK I got a link to a signed picture of Ray, in which he is bulging in his wet hellokitty underwear, with glutinous stuff all over his hairy chest. So, I am wondering am I the only one? Shoot your shot...
Beaver Poucher The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.11.25 11:32:00 - [176] Question, since you are liquidating assets is it possible to trade some of the isk i have in your bank for some of the items you have for sale?
Kar Yu Gallente CryoTech Industries	Posted - 2010.11.25 22:26:00 - [177] In a way I think it is sad Ebank close the doors. Thanks to the other Mother**f*ersob*"&%/&%"!"$#$% Ditto! I guess McCormack is not in the mood of keeping the biz opened... In a way, if the bank were operated by honest people (in eve...yea right...but still) things could do better. Imo Ray hits the jackpot of decency of coming foward to all eve players and try to fix all the crap. I dont know if ebank rep is too much damaged to keep it runing, prob is, still I always think they made a great service. Anyway, if theres a way of knowing if ebank still have some stuff to sell might be worthy, I wont mind to buy some stuff if it is in my interest. Regards, ___________________________ "Do, or do not! There is no try" - Yoda, Jedi Master
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.26 07:42:00 - [178] Originally by: Kar Yu I guess McCormack is not in the mood of keeping the biz opened... In a way, if the bank were operated by honest people (in eve...yea right...but still) things could do better. Imo Ray hits the jackpot of decency of coming foward to all eve players and try to fix all the crap. I dont know if ebank rep is too much damaged to keep it runing, prob is, still I always think they made a great service. Rep can be rapaired, but after what rays been doing to it, well i believe its easyer just kill it and start over. fixing it rep at this point is so major work it makes resurectring all that lost money look easy.
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2010.11.26 23:45:00 - [179] Have shares and dividends been issued yet? If so, how much has been issued in dividends so far? When can we expect payments and what is the timeline for finishing liquidation?
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.27 08:05:00 - [180] Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Have shares and dividends been issued yet? If so, how much has been issued in dividends so far? When can we expect payments and what is the timeline for finishing liquidation? No shares have been issued, no dividends have been paid. Either Ray or myself will post here once shares have been issued and when dividends start to go out. We are currently waiting on CCP to unlock BPOs so we can sell them, we are experiencing a bug that shows the bpos as locked down in the hangar but will not allow us to propose unlock votes because the system says they are not currently locked. December.

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.27 08:17:00 - [181] Four days to more forum drama... Verified - 1,384,540,510,092.03 Write Off - 544,217,847,077.67 Zero - 10b+ Follow My EBANK Chatter
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.11.27 14:31:00 - [182] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 We are currently waiting on CCP to unlock BPOs so we can sell them, we are experiencing a bug that shows the bpos as locked down in the hangar but will not allow us to propose unlock votes because the system says they are not currently locked. Ah, this bug which I asked about almost a month ago. Highly annoying, but there is a workaround for it in that thread that halfway works. I'll also send it though evemail. It's worth a shot instead of waiting on a petition.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.27 18:56:00 - [183] Ray, I'm somewhat interested in buying the ebank back end software. Has there been any discussion on selling it? Or open sourcing it? -Kal
WNxWolfy	Posted - 2010.11.28 01:50:00 - [184] Originally by: WNxWolfy Still waiting for my API to be verified, which I have provided at least three times now.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.28 06:49:00 - [185] Originally by: Kalrand I'm somewhat interested in buying the ebank back end software. Has there been any discussion on selling it? Or open sourcing it? You can purchase the source for hundreds of billions or negotiate a hosted solution. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.29 01:40:00 - [186] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Kalrand I'm somewhat interested in buying the ebank back end software. Has there been any discussion on selling it? Or open sourcing it? You can purchase the source for hundreds of billions or negotiate a hosted solution. That sounds a bit higher than what I had in mind.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.29 05:05:00 - [187] Originally by: Kalrand That sounds a bit higher than what I had in mind. No doubt. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.11.29 06:56:00 - [188] Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 29/11/2010 07:03:24 Originally by: Kalrand That sounds a bit higher than what I had in mind. He's only acting in the best interests of his depositors. Clearly, no sale > sale at a price he doesn't like. edit: If Ray thinks that the range he quoted is a realistic valuation of the EBANK website (which doesn't really matter in the situation at hand as selling it for even 1 ISK would be better for EBANK'S creditors than not selling it at all), Mr. Horizontal has my full sympathies (and 90b wouldn't have been more than a token amount for compensation of his work).
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.29 15:05:00 - [189] Originally by: Mme Pinkerton (which doesn't really matter in the situation at hand as selling it for even 1 ISK would be better for EBANK'S creditors than not selling it at all) Clearly you've thought this through... Follow My EBANK Chatter
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2010.11.29 16:07:00 - [190] I believe this is where it's customary to swoop in and offer 1.01 ISK. 1.01 ISK!

Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.29 20:14:00 - [191] Not sure what all you are talking about considering I own the source. My name was Neo in several former lives. Ray is way off anyways, its several trillion not several hundred billion.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.11.29 20:22:00 - [192] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Not sure what all you are talking about considering I own the source. My name was Neo in several former lives. Ray is way off anyways, its several trillion not several hundred billion. This is the part where a legal hero steps up and tells you you're about to face a class-action lawsuit
RAW23	Posted - 2010.11.29 21:37:00 - [193] I have no real idea about how intellectual property law applies to source code but I would assume that the code counts a someone's rl property. I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect whoever does own it (who does btw?) to liquidate out of game assets as part of the liquidation of EBANK, although I guess there is a more complicated question if developers were paid for their work on it in isk as part of an ingame arrangement. Does EBANK consider this an EBANK asset or a personal real asset?
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.30 00:08:00 - [194] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Not sure what all you are talking about considering I own the source. My name was Neo in several former lives. Ray is way off anyways, its several trillion not several hundred billion. Your software is not worth the USD:PLEX exchange-equivalent of several trillion. Get over yourself tbh
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.30 02:11:00 - [195] Originally by: RAW23 I have no real idea about how intellectual property law applies to source code but I would assume that the code counts a someone's rl property. I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect whoever does own it (who does btw?) to liquidate out of game assets as part of the liquidation of EBANK, although I guess there is a more complicated question if developers were paid for their work on it in isk as part of an ingame arrangement. Does EBANK consider this an EBANK asset or a personal real asset? I just want to make it clear that I don't consider the EBANK software an EBANK asset. I don't think the EBANK board wants to continue operating, and I'd hate to see the software lay in waste. That's really all. I could tell that Ray's "hundreds of billions" was really just his way of saying no. And I can respect that decision considering how much hard work I'm sure went into everything.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.30 04:58:00 - [196] Originally by: RAW23 Does EBANK consider this an EBANK asset or a personal real asset? It is an EBANK asset. I'll clarify our intentions with it, which are threefold. Sell the source code. We would part with the source code for a considerable sum, hundreds of billions. This is the only working, tried and tested banking software in the EVE universe. It was developed over a couple of years and literally months of man hours were spent on it. And considering the financial possibilities I list below, we would be foolish to sell ourselves short here. Sell hosted solutions. We will offer hosted solutions on our own infrastructure for a monthly fee; as well as provide setup, support and customisations. Sell obfuscated code. We are contemplating selling obfuscated code for hosting on your own infrastructure; again we would provide setup, support and customisations for a fee. Any and all proceeds from sales will be issued as dividends to shareholders once costs were covered. Service fees will go to those performing the service. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.30 06:25:00 - [197] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: RAW23 Does EBANK consider this an EBANK asset or a personal real asset? It is an EBANK asset. I'll clarify our intentions with it, which are threefold. Sell the source code. We would part with the source code for a considerable sum, hundreds of billions. This is the only working, tried and tested banking software in the EVE universe. It was developed over a couple of years and literally months of man hours were spent on it. And considering the financial possibilities I list below, we would be foolish to sell ourselves short here. Sell hosted solutions. We will offer hosted solutions on our own infrastructure for a monthly fee; as well as provide setup, support and customisations. Sell obfuscated code. We are contemplating selling obfuscated code for hosting on your own infrastructure; again we would provide setup, support and customisations for a fee. Any and all proceeds from sales will be issued as dividends to shareholders once costs were covered. Service fees will go to those performing the service. Since it now appears that you are serious, I think you may want to account for the fact that your perspective sales would likely come from the audience of this forum. An auction would probably be the only way to fully realize the highest likely price.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.30 07:05:00 - [198] Originally by: Kalrand An auction would probably be the only way to fully realize the highest likely price. Unlikely, also I see more of a market with large alliances and corporations looking to add another aspect of gameplay to their offerings than MD. As it goes, the best offer on the table is for us to resell the platform ourselves, not to auction of that ability to someone else (well, not for an untidy sum anyway). Follow My EBANK Chatter
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.30 07:30:00 - [199] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Kalrand An auction would probably be the only way to fully realize the highest likely price. Unlikely, also I see more of a market with large alliances and corporations looking to add another aspect of gameplay to their offerings than MD. As it goes, the best offer on the table is for us to resell the platform ourselves, not to auction of that ability to someone else (well, not for an untidy sum anyway). Have you ballparked what the service fees would be?
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.11.30 09:35:00 - [200] Edited by: Dasola on 30/11/2010 09:36:12 Originally by: Ray McCormack Sell the source code. We would part with the source code for a considerable sum, hundreds of billions. This is the only working, tried and tested banking software in the EVE universe. It was developed over a couple of years and literally months of man hours were spent on it. And considering the financial possibilities I list below, we would be foolish to sell ourselves short here. Why would anyone buy it, clearly it didint prevent massive corporate theft and we all know result, bank is closeing as results of it. Bank didint even get alarm about misconduct of one leader of it, until it was too late to do anything about it. So clearly theres no proof your bank software works.

RAW23	Posted - 2010.11.30 14:32:00 - [201] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: RAW23 Does EBANK consider this an EBANK asset or a personal real asset? It is an EBANK asset. I'll clarify our intentions with it, which are threefold. Sell the source code. We would part with the source code for a considerable sum, hundreds of billions. This is the only working, tried and tested banking software in the EVE universe. It was developed over a couple of years and literally months of man hours were spent on it. And considering the financial possibilities I list below, we would be foolish to sell ourselves short here. Sell hosted solutions. We will offer hosted solutions on our own infrastructure for a monthly fee; as well as provide setup, support and customisations. Sell obfuscated code. We are contemplating selling obfuscated code for hosting on your own infrastructure; again we would provide setup, support and customisations for a fee. Any and all proceeds from sales will be issued as dividends to shareholders once costs were covered. Service fees will go to those performing the service. Is the plan, then, to keep EBANK operating on a skeleton basis after all the ingame assets have been liquidated in order to manage the proceeds from this last asset, with payments being made indefinitely to EBANK shareholders? Or do you forsee a final cut off point at which the administration of the source code income will be shut down as well and the code sold to the highest bidder, even if the income from the sale is negligible?
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2010.11.30 15:52:00 - [202] Well, tomorrow is D-Day. D, of course, more than likely standing for drama.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.30 16:19:00 - [203] Originally by: Dasola clearly it didint prevent massive corporate theft and we all know result, bank is closeing as results of it. Bank didint even get alarm about misconduct of one leader of it, until it was too late to do anything about it. That's because it is banking and not accounting software. Originally by: Kalrand Have you ballparked what the service fees would be? We did, but there are many factors that contribute to our final cost, so it will be dealt with on a case by case basis. The number one factor being how much you can afford and are willing to pay for it. We have a minimum figure in mind that makes the effort worth our time, and I'm sure the renter has a maximum figure in mind that makes it worth their time. Where we meet depends on how well each party negotiates. Originally by: RAW23 Is the plan, then, to keep EBANK operating on a skeleton basis after all the ingame assets have been liquidated in order to manage the proceeds from this last asset, with payments being made indefinitely to EBANK shareholders? Or do you foresee a final cut off point at which the administration of the source code income will be shut down as well and the code sold to the highest bidder, even if the income from the sale is negligible? **** me you ask some inane questions sometimes. The answer is whatever combination of things achieves what we want. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:30:00 - [204] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Kalrand Have you ballparked what the service fees would be? We did, but there are many factors that contribute to our final cost, so it will be dealt with on a case by case basis. The number one factor being how much you can afford and are willing to pay for it. We have a minimum figure in mind that makes the effort worth our time, and I'm sure the renter has a maximum figure in mind that makes it worth their time. Where we meet depends on how well each party negotiates. I was looking for a very broad range. Saying "depending on the services provided" is a very fair way to explain the concept of negotiation and why a broad range is there. AC stated above that she owns the code. Which of you is the actual person making decisions wrt this asset? Have you considered asking for a percentage of assets under management as a service fee?
Carnagge	Posted - 2010.11.30 17:48:00 - [205] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Kalrand Have you ballparked what the service fees would be? We did, but there are many factors that contribute to our final cost, so it will be dealt with on a case by case basis. The number one factor being how much you can afford and are willing to pay for it. We have a minimum figure in mind that makes the effort worth our time, and I'm sure the renter has a maximum figure in mind that makes it worth their time. Where we meet depends on how well each party negotiates. Have you considered asking for a percentage of assets under management as a service fee? I'm pretty sure they will consider anything as long as its worth there time. Which was already stated...
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.30 19:05:00 - [206] Originally by: Carnagge Originally by: Kalrand Have you considered asking for a percentage of assets under management as a service fee? I'm pretty sure they will consider anything as long as its worth there time. Which was already stated... Often times Ray's approach is to offer to do something at an unreasonable price to deflect the criticism. This is how I took his initial offer to sell the Ebank back end for "hundreds of billions" of isk. What that told me is that it wasn't genuinely for sale. Instead, the Ebank board would rater sell the bank back end as a service, which is fine, but something he could have just come out and said.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.11.30 20:01:00 - [207] **** me George, do you want the software or not? Let's stop brandishing broadswords in public and if you're serious about starting up the Goonbank of public stupidity my mail address is in my bio. Follow My EBANK Chatter
thelung187 Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.11.30 20:17:00 - [208] Edited by: thelung187 on 30/11/2010 20:17:27 Originally by: Ray McCormack **** me George, do you want the software or not? Let's stop brandishing broadswords in public and if you're serious about starting up the Goonbank of public stupidity my mail address is in my bio. He might be more receptive if you didn't sound like an utterly condescending jerkoff
Carnagge	Posted - 2010.11.30 20:21:00 - [209] Edited by: Carnagge on 30/11/2010 20:24:37 Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Carnagge Originally by: Kalrand Have you considered asking for a percentage of assets under management as a service fee? I'm pretty sure they will consider anything as long as its worth there time. Which was already stated... Often times Ray's approach is to offer to do something at an unreasonable price to deflect the criticism. This is how I took his initial offer to sell the Ebank back end for "hundreds of billions" of isk. What that told me is that it wasn't genuinely for sale. Instead, the Ebank board would rater sell the bank back end as a service, which is fine, but something he could have just come out and said. An assumption. Assumptions are great ways to do business. Instead. Ray can you come up with a clear and definitive number that you would want to sell it for? Thank you. (just an example, I will resume communication 101 later on this thread).
Lanais Suleia	Posted - 2010.11.30 21:38:00 - [210] Originally by: thelung187 Edited by: thelung187 on 30/11/2010 20:17:27 Originally by: Ray McCormack **** me George, do you want the software or not? Let's stop brandishing broadswords in public and if you're serious about starting up the Goonbank of public stupidity my mail address is in my bio. He might be more receptive if you didn't sound like an utterly condescending jerkoff It's the only language goons understand.

Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.30 21:49:00 - [211] Originally by: Lanais Suleia It's the only language goons understand. I've been away for a while, and re-lurking for a while after that. Do an eve-search on me. I get MD.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.30 22:06:00 - [212] Originally by: Ray McCormack **** me George, do you want the software or not? Let's stop brandishing broadswords in public and if you're serious about starting up the Goonbank of public stupidity my mail address is in my bio. My first post in MD was this one, where I discusses something similar to running a goon bank. I think I fleshed the idea out further in a later thread as well. That being said, if your customer support is as good as your public relations, I don't think we'll ever agree to a service contract.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.11.30 23:15:00 - [213] Originally by: Ray McCormack **** me you ask some inane questions sometimes. The answer is whatever combination of things achieves what we want. You're absolutely right. The search for clarity is utterly inane. If you'd bothered responding to the question you would have seen that it implies the question 'What is it that you want?'. Stating that you will do whatever you want isn't really an informative answer to any question regarding what you will do. Damn! Why are simple information questions always so difficult with you?
Ima Victim	Posted - 2010.12.01 11:04:00 - [214] As a fairly large investor in Ebank, I wouldn't mind seeing the software sold to help pay back the investors. But that's just me.
Ixgard	Posted - 2010.12.01 13:48:00 - [215] And so it begins...
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.01 15:41:00 - [216] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Dasola clearly it didint prevent massive corporate theft and we all know result, bank is closeing as results of it. Bank didint even get alarm about misconduct of one leader of it, until it was too late to do anything about it. That's because it is banking and not accounting software. So whats the difference? Bank dont need to know wheres their money is or something? Certainly explains why Ebank is in shape it is and liquadateing. Or maybe thats the problem, it dosent count isk so you dont know how much isk bank should currently hold, so you dont know if someone inside is stealing it.
Scrumpy Joe	Posted - 2010.12.01 17:18:00 - [217] so basically I just read this thread due to me not playing in a while and just happended to be on here. I had Approximately 2,394,312,879.07 isk . any chance im getting this back?
AirCond	Posted - 2010.12.01 21:24:00 - [218] It to am a fairly large investor in Ebank & wouldn't mind seeing the software sold to help pay back the investors. But it's Now 1st of December 2010 so where are the shares. ?????????????
Strrog	Posted - 2010.12.02 04:54:00 - [219] I do not know if this was brought up but I have 6 bill in there and 200 mill in accrued interest, I was wondering if we can freeze the interest and postpone pay outs and give the EVE BANK more time to recover. I have been wathing the progress and I can say this is not a total scam they tried to save it and have not given up untill pretty much the enf of 2010. Lets support the EVE Bank and give them a realistic chanse to get back on its feet. or we can just accept the leftovers which is not that much better /discuss
Crovax Maximus	Posted - 2010.12.02 04:58:00 - [220] Originally by: Strrog I do not know if this was brought up but I have 6 bill in there and 200 mill in accrued interest, I was wondering if we can freeze the interest and postpone pay outs and give the EVE BANK more time to recover. I have been wathing the progress and I can say this is not a total scam they tried to save it and have not given up untill pretty much the enf of 2010. Lets support the EVE Bank and give them a realistic chanse to get back on its feet. or we can just accept the leftovers which is not that much better /discuss Interest has already been freezed for over a year if you still dont know....

Strrog	Posted - 2010.12.02 05:22:00 - [221] Ya notcied thats why i got only 200 mill in interest so roughly for 3 month after which it stopped accumilating. My main point was about giving EVE Bank more time to recover if thats still passible or realistic. thx
Crovax Maximus	Posted - 2010.12.02 06:09:00 - [222] Edited by: Crovax Maximus on 02/12/2010 06:10:44 Originally by: Strrog Ya notcied thats why i got only 200 mill in interest so roughly for 3 month after which it stopped accumilating. My main point was about giving EVE Bank more time to recover if thats still passible or realistic. thx I said that because you were wondering if ebank can freeze the interest. I think they have exhaust all the options that they can think of. Whats more, most of the members just want to have their( me included ) money back now if possible. How much time would you allocate to them the for recovery? Players come and go. No one wants to join a corp whose sole purpose is getting money back for other people for something which they werent involved in the first place. Since they want to convert what were owed to us in the form of shares and pay us dividends, i am all ok for it. Still havent seen any shares yet though.
Strrog	Posted - 2010.12.02 07:16:00 - [223] So it was roughly a year since the incident or so I am not sure on EVE Bank status as of today, but if there is progress and plan in place would be good to hear from EVE bank rep on how much more time they need to fix the problem. Just grabbing whatever is available does not seem like the best option if there is way out. I know that there are alot of angry and frustrated poeple with EVE Bank but they seem to be the only bunch of poeple who did not bail from the scam and put effort in rebuilding.
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.02 10:53:00 - [224] Originally by: Strrog So it was roughly a year since the incident or so I am not sure on EVE Bank status as of today, but if there is progress and plan in place would be good to hear from EVE bank rep on how much more time they need to fix the problem. Just grabbing whatever is available does not seem like the best option if there is way out. I know that there are alot of angry and frustrated poeple with EVE Bank but they seem to be the only bunch of poeple who did not bail from the scam and put effort in rebuilding. They have had plans and ideas, none of them stick. They could not make isk eve when oppotunity was right in front of their damn face. They give deadlines, and newer keep them.. theres trustworthy for you.
Ixgard	Posted - 2010.12.02 15:23:00 - [225] Edited by: Ixgard on 02/12/2010 15:23:49 slow paying someone is about as wrong as not paying them once its over 30 days. Sure things come up...but a year?
Strrog	Posted - 2010.12.03 03:30:00 - [226] So How much did they loose originall something like 1 trill out 7 ? Thas 15 % roughly not that difficult to regenerate but if market sales go at certain speeds can take a while, but a year or more for this scenario seems fishy. /sad panda
Crovax Maximus	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:46:00 - [227] Anyone seen any shares yet?
Strrog	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:49:00 - [228] Originally by: Crovax Maximus Anyone seen any shares yet? ./wave I have not heard any fresh news from EVE Bank folks at all, and confirming of Zero Shares Recieved.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:51:00 - [229] God, some of you are really stupid. (I'm getting better, I only said some). You haven't received shares because CCP's share system sucks as well as their bpo lockdown system and most of the systems that would be useful to us in this situation. As I said above, I will post an update when an update is available.(i guess this is sort of an update although I've been *****ed at before for posting an update that isn't really a substantial update which just goes to show you that you can't make everyone happy which is why I don't like you)
Strrog	Posted - 2010.12.03 04:55:00 - [230] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 God, some of you are really stupid. (I'm getting better, I only said some). You haven't received shares because CCP's share system sucks as well as their bpo lockdown system and most of the systems that would be useful to us in this situation. As I said above, I will post an update when an update is available.(i guess this is sort of an update although I've been *****ed at before for posting an update that isn't really a substantial update which just goes to show you that you can't make everyone happy which is why I don't like you) Hey you are still arround long time no see XD. Ya agree better post a solid update rather then a politically correct one =)

Jackie Fisher Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate	Posted - 2010.12.03 09:28:00 - [231] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 God, some of you are really stupid. (I'm getting better, I only said some). You haven't received shares because CCP's share system sucks as well as their bpo lockdown system and most of the systems that would be useful to us in this situation. As I said above, I will post an update when an update is available.(i guess this is sort of an update although I've been *****ed at before for posting an update that isn't really a substantial update which just goes to show you that you can't make everyone happy which is why I don't like you) Wot, no finger? Joint Venture Conglomerate
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.03 14:29:00 - [232] i think you people will newer see those shares and Ebank quietly disapears in leaf of history in here eveonline game. Would make interesting case study on some PR-course how not to handle your PR. for while they try to fix bank, then they were no longer working as bank and now they cant seem to be able even liquedate it in reasonable timeframe they themselfs has set :P Nice job. No wonder some people think ccp should run low interest bank ingame.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:40:00 - [233] Originally by: Dasola and now they cant seem to be able even liquedate it in reasonable timeframe they themselfs has set Maybe you should actually read instead of posting bull****. How the hell can you sell anything when they are locked down and stuck due to a bug? The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing.
Hittings Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.03 17:45:00 - [234] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Dasola and now they cant seem to be able even liquedate it in reasonable timeframe they themselfs has set Maybe you should actually read instead of posting bull****. How the hell can you sell anything when they are locked down and stuck due to a bug? The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing. Can't fix stupid.
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.03 18:56:00 - [235] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Dasola and now they cant seem to be able even liquedate it in reasonable timeframe they themselfs has set Maybe you should actually read instead of posting bull****. How the hell can you sell anything when they are locked down and stuck due to a bug? The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing. So couple blueprints locked due bug is now reason not to issue people shares Ray so boldly sayd ebank was going to do? or reason not to issue share of money that bank has? Nice. So basicly ebank takes any excuse not to give anything back to depositors. Its not bank, its scam pretending to be failed bank.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.03 22:07:00 - [236] Originally by: Dasola its scam pretending to be failed bank. And you're a ***** fart pretending to be a brainwave. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Carnagge	Posted - 2010.12.03 22:26:00 - [237] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Dasola its scam pretending to be failed bank. And you're a ***** fart pretending to be a brainwave. Then resolve the issue. Don't just hang onto there money not paying them interest for a year. You could issue shares/partial payments now. Its not a big deal..but you could do something. Instead your thumbing your nose at everyone like prick.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.03 22:35:00 - [238] Originally by: Carnagge Instead you're thumbing your bumhole Follow My EBANK Chatter
Razz XXX Minmatar Vashta Nerada Corp	Posted - 2010.12.03 23:39:00 - [239] wow, this has sunk low. Just wondering how old you guys are? 16?
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.03 23:48:00 - [240] Originally by: Razz XXX wow, this has sunk low. Just wondering how old you guys are? 16? Both Ray and AC are much more polite than they were a few months ago.

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.03 23:59:00 - [241] Originally by: Razz XXX wow, this has sunk low. Just wondering how old you guys are? 16? Nah, but I sure hope your sister is... Follow My EBANK Chatter
Jessica Tannin	Posted - 2010.12.04 04:18:00 - [242] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Carnagge Instead you're thumbing your bumhole people actually invested money with this little nerd rager...wow.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.04 07:35:00 - [243] Ok Ray, I think its time to just go ahead and do it and stop dragging them along. Initiate plan Alpha Foxtrot One Niner.
Aresse	Posted - 2010.12.04 07:54:00 - [244] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Ok Ray, I think its time to just go ahead and do it and stop dragging them along. Initiate plan Alpha Foxtrot One Niner. Quoting for potential epic?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.04 08:54:00 - [245] All non-verified account balances have been wiped. All account balances have been consolidated into one account per user. All account balances under one million ISK have been wiped. All account balances have been rounded down to the nearest one million ISK. 1 369 668 000 000.00 remains across 1 350 accounts. The investigation has begun and more will be written off, share distribution will commence within the next few weeks. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.04 12:40:00 - [246] Originally by: Ray McCormack The investigation has begun I thought you did that step already.
WNxWolfy	Posted - 2010.12.05 01:09:00 - [247] Just got my money, thank you. Distribute all remaining money among the account holders :P
Kieselguhr Kid	Posted - 2010.12.05 02:20:00 - [248] I just want to say that, after months of occasionally staring at this thread's title and chuckling, it's still pretty funny. that is all, carry on
Strrog	Posted - 2010.12.05 02:43:00 - [249] Ermm what happened to the support website did you remove it from service or its undergoing maintenance? I wanted to check my ticket/petition but got this Support Ticket System Offline Thank you for your interest in contacting us. Our helpdesk is offline at the moment, please check back at a later time. thats roughly 12 hours ago
Malonical	Posted - 2010.12.05 12:40:00 - [250] Originally by: Strrog Ermm what happened to the support website did you remove it from service or its undergoing maintenance? I wanted to check my ticket/petition but got this Support Ticket System Offline Thank you for your interest in contacting us. Our helpdesk is offline at the moment, please check back at a later time. thats roughly 12 hours ago They probably just got sick of ppl *****ing about their money through the support website, lol.

Ima Victim	Posted - 2010.12.05 20:54:00 - [251] Originally by: Ray McCormack All non-verified account balances have been wiped. All account balances have been consolidated into one account per user. All account balances under one million ISK have been wiped. All account balances have been rounded down to the nearest one million ISK. 1 369 668 000 000.00 remains across 1 350 accounts. The investigation has begun and more will be written off, share distribution will commence within the next few weeks. I've checked and my three accounts (on one api) still show the same balances as before. Is the consolidation a behind the scenes thing?
mine4ever	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:38:00 - [252] yea ive just seen my isk has been transferred to the sweep account and rounded down
Ima Victim	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:26:00 - [253] Originally by: mine4ever yea ive just seen my isk has been transferred to the sweep account and rounded down Ahh I see that now. nevermind.
Rixram	Posted - 2010.12.06 16:36:00 - [254] McCormack, I verified my API with EVE-Bank months ago. Have not received anything. Tried to log in, and it appears that my account isn't there or I have the wrong passwrd (I never changed the password). And your helpdesk is no longer available for password resets. Usual questions: 1] Access to account for status how, now that your site is AFU? 2] Where's my blooming ISK already?
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.06 20:33:00 - [255] Originally by: Rixram McCormack, I verified my API with EVE-Bank months ago. Have not received anything. Tried to log in, and it appears that my account isn't there or I have the wrong passwrd (I never changed the password). And your helpdesk is no longer available for password resets. Usual questions: 1] Access to account for status how, now that your site is AFU? 2] Where's my blooming ISK already? 1) Check your evemail, you have the wrong password 2) It's in my wallet, it's shiney. I put the helpdesk into offline mode while I sort through the tickets, its still there it just isn't accepting new tickets.
Daeva Vios	Posted - 2010.12.07 04:05:00 - [256] I'm just curious: How long ago was EBANK founded? Because I wanted to know exactly how long the Longest Forum Troll has been going on. It's getting old, guys. ------------------------------------- NECB
Minerva Vulcan Caldari Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2010.12.07 07:42:00 - [257] Originally by: Daeva Vios I'm just curious: How long ago was EBANK founded? Because I wanted to know exactly how long the Longest Forum Troll has been going on. It's getting old, guys. Been over 3 years now if I'm not mistaken.
Raan Kor Gallente Seniors Clan	Posted - 2010.12.07 17:26:00 - [258] Watching this has been truly entertaining - Thanks Ray & Co Shares soon \o/ Raan Kor
Jarek Starchaser Minmatar Osiris Industries	Posted - 2010.12.08 12:28:00 - [259] Hey peeps, I supplied my API key some time ago (when it was first requested), but still have not received any monies from you... Have you paid a dividend to everyone, or are you trauling through all your account holders still? Many thanks for all your efforts thus far! Jarek Starchaser
Shadow Lightbringer Daedal Anomaly	Posted - 2010.12.08 14:09:00 - [260] Originally by: Jarek Starchaser Hey peeps, I supplied my API key some time ago (when it was first requested), but still have not received any monies from you... Have you paid a dividend to everyone, or are you trauling through all your account holders still? Many thanks for all your efforts thus far! Jarek Starchaser You should probably read the last 3 or 4 pages of posts. You're answer is there.

Minerva Vulcan Caldari Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2010.12.08 15:33:00 - [261] Originally by: Shadow Lightbringer Originally by: Jarek Starchaser Hey peeps, I supplied my API key some time ago (when it was first requested), but still have not received any monies from you... Have you paid a dividend to everyone, or are you trauling through all your account holders still? Many thanks for all your efforts thus far! Jarek Starchaser Just reading this page in fact should bring you up to speed. You should probably read the last 3 or 4 pages of posts. You're answer is there.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.09 16:00:00 - [262] Just an update, the BPO lockdown issue has been resolved and the liquidation sales have started again. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1420438&page=1#10
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2010.12.10 09:21:00 - [263] When will the help desk be operational again? Maybe I can contact you in-game Amarr Citizen 155? I have not recieved anything and no password reset as well. Thank you
Shazwa	Posted - 2010.12.10 17:41:00 - [264] why does my account show a nil balance there was over half a bil in there before it got stolen, WHEN WILL I GET MY ISK
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.10 17:42:00 - [265] Originally by: Strrog When will the help desk be operational again? We have no plans to bring the lolbank helldesk online again. If you have not already submitted a ticket or your ticket has been declined then your only option is to go public as your request has been declined de facto internally. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2010.12.11 03:13:00 - [266] Edited by: Strrog on 11/12/2010 03:14:01 Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Strrog When will the help desk be operational again? We have no plans to bring the lolbank helldesk online again. If you have not already submitted a ticket or your ticket has been declined then your only option is to go public as your request has been declined de facto internally. Alright so whats the process to confirm this char as the holder of the account as I sold my other toon who had the account originally and how i get password reset now? Can I mail the request to an bank rep to sort this out plz?
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.11 05:45:00 - [267] Originally by: Strrog Edited by: Strrog on 11/12/2010 03:14:01 Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Strrog When will the help desk be operational again? We have no plans to bring the lolbank helldesk online again. If you have not already submitted a ticket or your ticket has been declined then your only option is to go public as your request has been declined de facto internally. Alright so whats the process to confirm this char as the holder of the account as I sold my other toon who had the account originally and how i get password reset now? Can I mail the request to an bank rep to sort this out plz? Check your evemail.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.11 06:21:00 - [268] Just wanted to post an update: Loney is a douche bag. Seriously, you offer 80 billion for BOTH the titan bpo's and then try to tell me the market isn't very good right now and it might even be impossible to move them? Tell that to the 3 other individuals who have already made legitimate offers. Stop wasting my time. To everyone else, the liquidation sale is going fairly well so far. If anyone is interested in making a purchase i would encourage you to get in touch with me.
MaximusEvil	Posted - 2010.12.12 00:29:00 - [269] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: RAW23 Does EBANK consider this an EBANK asset or a personal real asset? It is an EBANK asset. I'll clarify our intentions with it, which are threefold. Sell the source code. We would part with the source code for a considerable sum, hundreds of billions. This is the only working, tried and tested banking software in the EVE universe. It was developed over a couple of years and literally months of man hours were spent on it. And considering the financial possibilities I list below, we would be foolish to sell ourselves short here. Sell hosted solutions. We will offer hosted solutions on our own infrastructure for a monthly fee; as well as provide setup, support and customisations. Sell obfuscated code. We are contemplating selling obfuscated code for hosting on your own infrastructure; again we would provide setup, support and customisations for a fee. Any and all proceeds from sales will be issued as dividends to shareholders once costs were covered. Service fees will go to those performing the service. wow. wot a load of ****. After telling people in your public announcement not to ever invest in a bank like this again your now going to try to flog off the back end to power such a bank so that someone can try to run a bank like this again? Not only that, if you know anything about developing web applications then making a banking app like this wouldnt be as difficult as Ray would have you believe. All the api doco is available, theres libraries for asp and php to help integrate with eve, and getting reliable and affordable hosting isnt difficult either. I dont know why anyone would want to buy a banking application that allows for skimming/stealing of funds without so much as a single red flag being raised before its too late, especially from a group/character who has already proven to everyone that they are hardly trustworthy.
MaximusEvil	Posted - 2010.12.12 00:35:00 - [270] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: KK Jugs as usual this has been handled poorly. So has your face. Originally by: KK Jugs how will I know if I've been issued with shares? am i supposed to log in to each of my eve accounts daily to check? Do I look like your personal **ing secretary? Logon, click wallet, shares tab, look for lolbank liquidation shares, are they there? no? so what do you do? ing wait! Originally by:** KK Jugs Why the hell cant I use my joint account? We smoked them all, explains a lot, no? Originally by: KK Jugs what if my accounts balances are (for example) 1 million and 500 thousand ISK. The half million isnt going to be payed out as a share. So why cant I use my joint account to move money between my characters to bring one account balance up to the full million? that way I have an account with 2 million and the other with 1 million, instead of two accounts with 1.5 million. Otherwise im going to be expected to forfeit a million isk simply because its split between my accounts and im not allowed to move it. Warning, useful information follows. All accounts will be consolidated for the share issue, so take your accumulated balance into account before "topping up". But tbfh, if you're ***ing about 1m I pity you, fool. hey dk. considering you've had my cash for all this time and havent paid an isk of interest then yeah i want EVERYTHING back. fken a clown.

Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.12 01:32:00 - [271] Originally by: MaximusEvil hey dk. considering you've had my cash for all this time and havent paid an isk of interest then yeah i want EVERYTHING back. fken a** clown. I'm not going to comment on all the stupid stuff coming out of your mouth but I did want to ask one question, how much isk do you have in your ebank account? Would you share that information with the rest of us?
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2010.12.12 04:01:00 - [272] Hey AC155, I have noticed that in the profile, nothing is getting updated. When I tryto update my password and put in new one for example it says * you profile was updated* but nothing actually was saved to the database. Are you aware of this? thx ;)
Iskmaker Risktaker Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2010.12.12 05:53:00 - [273] Edited by: Iskmaker Risktaker on 12/12/2010 05:54:05 Edited by: Iskmaker Risktaker on 12/12/2010 05:53:35 Erroneous post.
Zaepho Gallente Phoenix Propulsion Labs Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2010.12.12 16:26:00 - [274] Reposting from EBank forums: I was previously API verified on the account side and my account balance showed up just fine. I logged in to check the status of things today and it asked me for my API info (which I provided once again) and let me go on to the account page. There I find that my balance is 0. Am I hosed or what?
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.12 18:15:00 - [275] Originally by: Zaepho Reposting from EBank forums: I was previously API verified on the account side and my account balance showed up just fine. I logged in to check the status of things today and it asked me for my API info (which I provided once again) and let me go on to the account page. There I find that my balance is 0. Am I hosed or what? Would you mind telling me how much isk you think you should have in your account?
Zaepho Gallente Phoenix Propulsion Labs Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2010.12.13 14:16:00 - [276] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Zaepho Reposting from EBank forums: I was previously API verified on the account side and my account balance showed up just fine. I logged in to check the status of things today and it asked me for my API info (which I provided once again) and let me go on to the account page. There I find that my balance is 0. Am I hosed or what? Would you mind telling me how much isk you think you should have in your account? The relevant transaction in my account is Originally by: EBank Account Page 04/12/2010No Verification Supplied -422,547,357.63.00 It's not nearly what some people had in, but I'd like my share none the less. Thank you for the response
Nikitavar Caldari Pacific Rim Holdings	Posted - 2010.12.15 17:22:00 - [277] have shares already been issued? I still don't see anything between the two toons i have in eve bank
Khamerernebty	Posted - 2010.12.15 23:40:00 - [278] Originally by: Nikitavar have shares already been issued? I still don't see anything between the two toons i have in eve bank Sigh
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.16 19:28:00 - [279] in goonwaffe, it's considered the highest form of scamming to see how much you can jerk around the scamee after you've already tasken them for everything they are worth, to take their dignity and destroy whatever scraps of self-respect they have this thread is the mona lisa of that philosophy
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.16 19:28:00 - [280] ray if you'd like there's a place in goonwaffe for someone with your skills

Jason Travers Space 1999	Posted - 2010.12.18 19:55:00 - [281] So Eve bank Is closed and shut down right? Mommy that mean ole bear just dukied in my sandbox. :(
IgnisFatuus KIA Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.19 21:48:00 - [282] Edited by: IgnisFatuus on 19/12/2010 21:48:40 how come my account has been wiped, even though I verified ages ago? Now I re-sub and find it is 'not verified' and wiped? should have been about 3.4bill in there :(
Kei Darker	Posted - 2010.12.19 21:59:00 - [283] Originally by: IgnisFatuus Edited by: IgnisFatuus on 19/12/2010 21:48:40 how come my account has been wiped, even though I verified ages ago? Now I re-sub and find it is 'not verified' and wiped? should have been about 3.4bill in there :( You may have a bit of reading to do... but I'll sum it up for you: Your account balance is now 0.00 isk.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.19 22:16:00 - [284] Originally by: Kei Darker I'll sum it up for you: Your account balance has always been 0.00 isk. FYP
Hittings Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.20 05:02:00 - [285] Someone moved there cheese and they are finally noticing... roflz Can't fix stupid.
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2010.12.20 05:56:00 - [286] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Kei Darker I'll sum it up for you: Your account balance has always been 0.00 isk. FYP Round and round the iskies run. Playin' with investments sounds like fun! Banker in the back room, stealin' your dough. Manny is it solvent? No child, no. Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :)
AirCond	Posted - 2010.12.26 17:49:00 - [287] Still have all the ISK i put in.
Tiger Wolf	Posted - 2010.12.27 07:02:00 - [288] Well here it is almost 3 months later and almost January. What happened to the payouts should be before december that was quoted back in octoberish? Is there any light at the end of the tunnel when we might be getting our isk back?
Shobon Welp GoonFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2010.12.27 14:54:00 - [289] Originally by: Tiger Wolf Well here it is almost 3 months later and almost January. What happened to the payouts should be before december that was quoted back in octoberish? Is there any light at the end of the tunnel when we might be getting our isk back? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries	Posted - 2010.12.27 23:10:00 - [290] Originally by: Tiger Wolf Well here it is almost 3 months later and almost January. What happened to the payouts should be before december that was quoted back in octoberish? Is there any light at the end of the tunnel when we might be getting our isk back? Are you really sure you want to see the light at the end of the tunnel? I'm pretty sure it's a train. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?

KalZandar	Posted - 2010.12.29 05:08:00 - [291] how do i get the balance transferred back to character, and do i know when i get it? i have not been able to play for almost a year now and i just now getting back into it
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.29 10:29:00 - [292] Originally by: KalZandar how do i get the balance transferred back to character, and do i know when i get it? i have not been able to play for almost a year now and i just now getting back into it Your money was stolen about a year ago, and the people in this thread haven't realized that they are just being trolled yet.
Companion Trollin You are going too fast	Posted - 2010.12.29 10:51:00 - [293] Originally by: Kalrand Your money was stolen when you sent it to ebank, and the people in this thread haven't realized that they are just being trolled yet. FYP. ♥ Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts dealing with sexual orientation have been removed. Please keep this discussion on-topic. Thanks. -- Shadow
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.29 11:08:00 - [294] Originally by: Kalrand Your money was stolen about a year ago, and the people in this thread haven't realized that they are just being trolled yet. This. People, if you want to pursue this any further, your only option is some kind of consumer rights group. Nothing in-game is going to help you now.
Hittings Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.29 15:27:00 - [295] Edited by: Hittings on 29/12/2010 15:27:54 you could actually take them to small claims court and win. Because CCP sells isk, they do have an actual cash value. The thread would be an agreed upon contract. The login verifies the accounts and the IP. I'm just waiting for the ambulance chaser thats bored enough to do this. Actually, the damages going past 5k would make it larger than small claims though. :( Can't fix stupid.
Whopewpews	Posted - 2010.12.29 17:07:00 - [296] Originally by: Hittings Edited by: Hittings on 29/12/2010 15:27:54 you could actually take them to small claims court and win. Because CCP sells isk, they do have an actual cash value. The thread would be an agreed upon contract. The login verifies the accounts and the IP. I'm just waiting for the ambulance chaser thats bored enough to do this. Actually, the damages going past 5k would make it larger than small claims though. :( No. Just no.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.29 17:41:00 - [297] Originally by: Whopewpews No. Just no. It's amazing people actually believe this. Although untried and therefore not possible to say it's impossible, it does border on the unlikely realms of the improbable to state that any claim against game assets would be legally binding in the real world. Nevertheless, all lolbank investors that have verified their accounts will get paid out as assets are liquidated. Liquidation hasn't started yet as the investigation into the validity of all accounts hasn't been completed. Once it has, shares will be issued and dividends will commence. It will be completed once it has been completed; the requirement for the provision of API keys has already been justified, evidence will be provided. Not in the Exchange, don't invest!
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.29 20:29:00 - [298] Edited by: Breaker77 on 29/12/2010 20:30:06 Originally by: Ray McCormack It's amazing people actually believe this. Although untried and therefore not possible to say it's impossible, it does border on the unlikely realms of the improbable to state that any claim against game assets would be legally binding in the real world. Considering you have to agree to an EULA which states that all ingame items belong to CCP, I suppose (theoretically) CCP could sue you for the ISK back (Even though they could just take it). Anyone else trying to do it would, or should, get laughed out of court for trying to get back items that do not belong to them in the first place.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.29 20:33:00 - [299] A better approach might be to contact VISA or Mastercard. People pay their subscription by credit/debit card, and most of these companies offer a guarantee/insurance for internet purchases. If you are defrauded or sold goods by misrepresentation, they will refund your payment and blacklist the company. What CCP's scamming policy amounts to is this - you pay for a service, they allow another customer to steal the service you've paid for. If you went into a book shop, purchased a book and then the shop allowed another, non-paying customer to steal it from you, they wouldn't get away with it. The fact that it's a game shouldn't be an excuse - when real money changes hands, you are entitled to the service you paid for, at face value. Being stolen from then told it's a great gameplay experience doesn't really cut any ice.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.29 20:38:00 - [300] Originally by: Liberty Eternal The fact that it's a game shouldn't be an excuse - when real money changes hands, you are entitled to the service you paid for, at face value. Being stolen from then told it's a great gameplay experience doesn't really cut any ice. The only thing paying CCP allows is to connect to their server. Again I will mention that CCP owns all ingame items. How can it be fraud if you don't own ISK? Thats like a burglar suing for the return of the items he stole that were returned to the original owner when he was caught.

Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.29 20:48:00 - [301] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Liberty Eternal The fact that it's a game shouldn't be an excuse - when real money changes hands, you are entitled to the service you paid for, at face value. Being stolen from then told it's a great gameplay experience doesn't really cut any ice. The only thing paying CCP allows is to connect to their server. Again I will mention that CCP owns all ingame items. How can it be fraud if you don't own ISK? They also sell PLEX, not just subscriptions. When a customer purchases a product/service, there is a reasonable expectation that they will be able to enjoy the goods/service they have paid for. It can be considered mis-selling to allow customer A to purchase a product or service which the company then allows customer B to steal. In the UK, customer A has a right to be protected from this kind of behaviour. I do know from my experience in sales that VISA will come down like a ton of bricks on companies that misrepresent or defraud customers over the internet.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.29 20:53:00 - [302] Originally by: Liberty Eternal They also sell PLEX, not just subscriptions. What is a PLEX used for? 30 days of subscription to connect to the server. Nothing more, nothing less. If a PLEX was unable to be traded, it would still be worth what it is today. 30 days of subscription time. Nothing more, nothing less.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.29 21:13:00 - [303] Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 29/12/2010 21:14:05 I'm not sure that argument can hold up, because customers who purchase PLEX with real cash do so with the expectation that they can use it to purchase in-game currency. That is the difference between PLEX and normal subscription charges - a difference that is clear and easily recognised. Now, if PLEX is not in fact fulfilling this service, then why sell it? Either it is a real product, in which case you are entitled to enjoy it, or else it is a non-service or non-product. Selling a non-service for real cash is the very definition of deception in sales. You can't sell a non-service for real money, nor can you appear to sell one service when in fact the service is not going to be provided in accordance with the face-value, reasonable expectations that the paying customer has. So I think VISA and Mastercard should block all PLEX transactions, but not the subscription transaction. There is no requirement to have two products, if they both provide the same service anyway. Edit: typo
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.29 23:10:00 - [304] God damn. Stfu. You have got to be one of the stupidest ****ing people I have ever had the misfortune of listening to or reading.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.29 23:13:00 - [305] Originally by: SetrakDark God damn. Stfu. You have got to be one of the stupidest ****ing people I have ever had the misfortune of listening to or reading. +9,678
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.29 23:31:00 - [306] There was nothing stupid about my argument. Although naturally, the people doing the stealing will have a different opinion to those who are stolen from. I for one am sick of reading these endless scam threads, just like most other people here. If CCP want to allow scamming, they should pay for it out of their own resources. It's not ethical to drag hundreds of innocent and unsuspecting customers into these scams and have them parted with their money. It is probably not legal either - it's about time something real was done about it and the people responsible [both CCP and the scammers] were held accountable for their actions in the real World.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.12.29 23:51:00 - [307] Originally by: Liberty Eternal There was nothing stupid about my argument. Although naturally, the people doing the stealing will have a different opinion to those who are stolen from. I for one am sick of reading these endless scam threads, just like most other people here. If CCP want to allow scamming, they should pay for it out of their own resources. It's not ethical to drag hundreds of innocent and unsuspecting customers into these scams and have them parted with their money. It is probably not legal either - it's about time something real was done about it and the people responsible [both CCP and the scammers] were held accountable for their actions in the real World. No. Why the hell should people be held responsible for ingame actions in the real world? I have a strong dislike for scammers but I'm glad that scamming is allowed in EVE as it adds to the depth and flavour of the game. It would be nice if CCP could introduce some mechanics to make life a bit more cumbersome for scammers as I think they get things a bit too easy at the moment but I don't see much merit in your arguments on this point.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.30 00:00:00 - [308] Originally by: RAW23 No. Why the hell should people be held responsible for ingame actions in the real world? I have a strong dislike for scammers but I'm glad that scamming is allowed in EVE as it adds to the depth and flavour of the game. It would be nice if CCP could introduce some mechanics to make life a bit more cumbersome for scammers as I think they get things a bit too easy at the moment but I don't see much merit in your arguments on this point. This is different to a free game, or to a subscription-only game, because some [ie one, PLEX] of the in-game services are paid for. A Casino in Las Vegas provides "just games" but you can't scam or steal in them without getting busted. So at what point do we make the transition from "monopoly money" game to "real-money" game? When money changes hands, and when hundreds of customers are scammed by people working for possible real-World financial gain, then you have motive, means and victim. Crime 101
Bluebeard Minmatar LoneStar Industries Comatose Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.30 00:03:00 - [309] Originally by: Ray McCormack Hi Ray, can you check your mail please.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.30 02:51:00 - [310] Originally by: Liberty Eternal customers who purchase PLEX with real cash do so with the expectation that they can use it to purchase in-game currency. Proof? Quote: A Pilot License Extension (PLEX) is an item that adds 30 days of game time to your EVE Online account. It can be converted from any game time code and, like any other item, it can be traded on the EVE market. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/30_days_Concord_Pilot_License_Extension Show me where in that article is specifically states that you MUST trade a PLEX for ISK? Anywhere? Anywhere? NO. You may trade it, but it is used to add 30 days of time to your account. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:49:00 - [311] Can we donate PLEX to Wikileaks? Not in the Exchange, don't invest!
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.30 16:09:00 - [312] Originally by: Ray McCormack Can we donate PLEX to Wikileaks? On a serious note, how's the "investigation" going?
Fleshbot	Posted - 2010.12.30 17:24:00 - [313] Originally by: Liberty Eternal A Casino in Las Vegas provides "just games" but you can't scam or steal in them without getting busted. Okay, poker is a game you can play in a casino. If I tell another player "I have all aces, you should fold" and he does and it turns out I'm lying, do I turn over my money? Am I criminally charged? No because bluffing (or lying) is accepted within the game, is in fact part of the game. How about it I suicide gank your ship in high sec, can you sue me for destruction of property? In summary, we play by the rules of the game, and they explicitly allow scamming and second nothing you 'own' can every be stolen or scammed since you own nothing in game, CCP owns it all, CCP who is allowing you use of everything in game (including plex) and can take back from you at any time and you would have no legal recourse.
Allie0op	Posted - 2010.12.31 16:48:00 - [314] Is it dead yet?
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.31 18:06:00 - [315] Originally by: Allie0op Is it dead yet? So long as people keep posting, they're never going to stop trolling you guys.
Andrew Wulfe	Posted - 2010.12.31 18:40:00 - [316] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Allie0op Is it dead yet? So long as people keep posting, they're never going to stop trolling you guys. Hmm - who to believe? Ray, who may be a scammer, or a Goon, who almost certainly is?
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.01 22:07:00 - [317] Originally by: Andrew Wulfe Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Allie0op Is it dead yet? So long as people keep posting, they're never going to stop trolling you guys. Hmm - who to believe? Ray, who may be a scammer, or a Goon, who almost certainly is? This coming from the guy who's afraid to post with his real character.
Andrew Wulfe	Posted - 2011.01.02 12:14:00 - [318] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Andrew Wulfe Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Allie0op Is it dead yet? So long as people keep posting, they're never going to stop trolling you guys. Hmm - who to believe? Ray, who may be a scammer, or a Goon, who almost certainly is? This coming from the guy who's afraid to post with his real character. Afraid? Nah. Not trollin the forums is Rule 34 of my alliance. Not talking to goons is an adjunct to Rule 34.
Zenthes	Posted - 2011.01.02 18:06:00 - [319] So are there still payouts or did I miss out. I haven't read this whole tread.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.01.02 18:08:00 - [320] Originally by: Zenthes So are there still payouts or did I miss out. I haven't read this whole tread. Yes, 95% of customers have been paid out now. You'll need to evemail Ray personally if you want to get your payment now though.

Andrew Wulfe	Posted - 2011.01.05 16:27:00 - [321] Originally by: Liberty Eternal Originally by: Zenthes So are there still payouts or did I miss out. I haven't read this whole tread. Yes, 95% of customers have been paid out now. You'll need to evemail Ray personally if you want to get your payment now though. It's a tarp!
Sang Do'Hai	Posted - 2011.01.06 07:02:00 - [322] Originally by: Liberty Eternal Originally by: Zenthes So are there still payouts or did I miss out. I haven't read this whole tread. Yes, 95% of customers have been paid out now. You'll need to evemail Ray personally if you want to get your payment now though. Huh, what? I challenge anyone who's received a payout to post here, along with what percentage of their payout they got. And indeed if they did, I'd be curious as to by what logic I ended up in the 5%, receiving 0.00 ISK payout on my near 6B invested/lost...
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.01.06 07:28:00 - [323] Take this thread with a pinch of salt It's basically a trollthread/scamgloat, so treat it with the contempt it deserves. Your isk and the profits derived from your isk were probably sold off on ebay a long time ago.
Lecherito	Posted - 2011.01.08 09:32:00 - [324] jiji Ebank managed to scam for 3+ trillion ISK, and then managed to drag things out for another year and a half? Surely deserving of a golf clap, non? =P -L
Dsan Smegnet Incorporated Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.01.21 07:06:00 - [325] can we get an update Ray ? When is things happening again ? Can we do anything to help ?
mine4ever	Posted - 2011.01.27 00:25:00 - [326] Originally by: Dsan can we get an update Ray ? When is things happening again ? Can we do anything to help ? i think its just a matter of wait longer till its sorted
Oftherocks 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:58:00 - [327] Originally by: mine4ever Originally by: Dsan can we get an update Ray ? When is things happening again ? Can we do anything to help ? i think its just a matter of wait longer till its sorted Really? Because AC hasn't tried to sell the assets in some time now, and there has been no official update on the process in a couple months now.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.01.28 19:59:00 - [328] Originally by: Oftherocks Really? Yes, really. We will get to your bad investment when we get to it, and when we do you will be grateful, like a fat chick. Word. Not in the Exchange, don't invest!
Jackie Fisher Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate	Posted - 2011.01.28 20:02:00 - [329] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Oftherocks Really? ... and when we do you will be grateful, like a fat chick. Do we need to provide our own bag of flower? Joint Venture Conglomerate
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.01.28 20:06:00 - [330] Originally by: Jackie Fisher Do we need to provide our own bag of flower? I dunno, AC deals with the details, I'm just the meat. Not in the Exchange, don't invest!

Artrex Altol	Posted - 2011.01.29 00:02:00 - [331] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Oftherocks Really? Yes, really. We will get to your bad investment when we get to it, and when we do you will be grateful, like a fat chick. Word. Well, since I missed the arbitrary "account verification" cutoff date, I'll be happy if everyone gets screwed out of their money right along side me. Misery loves me some company.
Syvryn Bloodpack	Posted - 2011.01.30 04:43:00 - [332] Anyone received your money back? I still didnt received my payout yet. I verified my characters. so far no isk When can i get back? I sent email to you Ray check it pls. my new sig is coming soon(tm)
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2011.01.30 06:38:00 - [333] Originally by: Ray McCormack I dunno, AC deals with the details, I'm just the meat. You two are going down as the biggest idiots I've seen during my time here. So how do you feel about it? Black Sun Empire
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.01.30 06:49:00 - [334] Originally by: YouGotRipped So how do you feel about it? Slightly humbled you would choose us for this award, but mostly amused you would think your opinion counted for anything. Not in the Exchange, don't invest!
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2011.01.30 06:57:00 - [335] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: YouGotRipped So how do you feel about it? Slightly humbled you would choose us for this award, but mostly amused you would think your opinion counted for anything. Yeah, I knew you would say that, carry on. Black Sun Empire
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2011.01.30 12:04:00 - [336] Originally by: Syvryn Anyone received your money back? I still didnt received my payout yet. I verified my characters. so far no isk When can i get back? I sent email to you Ray check it pls. Tried to read this like a poem, left disappointed.
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2011.01.31 06:41:00 - [337] Originally by: Caldariftw123 Tried to read this like a poem, left disappointed. Here ya go, shameless repost from a year ago. Seems yet again appropriate. The banker went down to Jita; he was looking for a tril to steal. The PLEX were high, and he hated to mine - he was willing to make a deal. When he came across this young man, spammin' in local and making it hot Then he pulled him into a convo and said boy let me tell you what: I guess you didn't know it, but I'm an evil scammer too. And if you'd care, to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you. Now you've run off with billions boy, but give the banker his due, If I take more dough, you go back to WOW: and take your wii sex toy with you. John Doe said 500,000 Zydrine, only 250 mil! And the banker scratched his head and said guess that's a deal. Ricdic tightens up his code, while Selene deals the cards Ed Gein lands another scam, while Lana trolls him hard. And if you win, you'll take more isk than EVE has ever known; but if you lose, the banker gets this MMO... John Doe pulled his contracts up and said I'll start this show His fingers blazed like fires as he added that last zero. And as his macro started local made an evil hiss Then his wallet started blinking with their ill gotten isk. When he finished the banker said that's pretty good now son, Now come up to MD and let me show you how it's done! He said Round and round the iskies run! Playing with investments sounds like fun! Banker in the back room stealin' your dough! Manny, is it solvent? No child, no! John Doe disconnected, for he knew that he'd been beat. The noise in Jita went silent, and all sighed in relief. And the banker said come on back now, if you ever want to try again, I done stole your isk once you son of a b*tch, and I bet I could do it again! Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :)
Clementina The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.31 07:11:00 - [338] Dzil, are you going to hold another haiku contest? That was fun last time.
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.01.31 15:13:00 - [339] on another note... ray - do your Image -- Join BIG
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2011.02.03 09:38:00 - [340] Originally by: RaTTuS on another note... ray - do your Image O meu imaculado coratpo serß o teu ref·gio e o caminho que te conduzirß a Deus. Black Sun Empire

Forlani Tristania Gallente Feral Tendency	Posted - 2011.02.08 01:23:00 - [341] Bumping for great justice.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.02.08 05:06:00 - [342] I'm about halfway through the ***list, roughly another four or five hours left until I can finalise the share distribution list. Will probably get time this and next weekend to rack those hours up. Not in the Exchange, don't invest!*
mine4ever	Posted - 2011.02.14 17:48:00 - [343] Edited by: mine4ever on 14/02/2011 17:49:20 Originally by: Ray McCormack I'm about halfway through the ****list, roughly another four or five hours left until I can finalise the share distribution list. Will probably get time this and next weekend to rack those hours up. look forward to them, not sure what im going to do with them though, will i get my isk back from it as i need as much as possible as bloddy jump freighters keep going up in price grrrrr
Amaroq Dricaldari Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:24:00 - [344] What does it mean for a bank to liquidate? Because I want to open an account, but don't want to risk my ISK. -- As an Amarr Defector, I chose to become a Mercenary and Industrialist. I also have one goal in mind: Create a new age of peace and prosperity for all four empires.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:41:00 - [345] Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari What does it mean for a bank to liquidate? Because I want to open an account, but don't want to risk my ISK. They closed, and they're planning on giving people only some of their money back, and even then, only when they feel like it. This might not be the right time to send them your money. Might I recommend this instead?
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.02.15 15:49:00 - [346] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari What does it mean for a bank to liquidate? Because I want to open an account, but don't want to risk my ISK. They closed, and they're planning on giving people only some of their money back, and even then, only when they feel like it. This might not be the right time to send them your money. Might I recommend this instead? Kalrand is mostly correct. 1. EBANK is closed and in the process of liquidating. 2. "They" are planning on giving people all of the money that is left after a series of thefts and bad investments. "They" are not keeping any. 3. "They" are sending the isk back once the process is complete. It is complicated by the fact that "they" have lives outside of Eve (a game) and "they" are moving as quickly as "they" can while maintaining real life responsibilities. 4. It is never a good time to send money to EBANK or to any other Eve bank. 5. I can recommend this instead.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:02:00 - [347] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 3. "They" are sending the isk back once the process is complete. It is complicated by the fact that "they" have lives outside of Eve (a game) and "they" are moving as quickly as "they" can while maintaining real life responsibilities. The smoke and mirrors about "investigations" has lasted you guys what? A year? May as well keep singing the same tune.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:18:00 - [348] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 3. "They" are sending the isk back once the process is complete. It is complicated by the fact that "they" have lives outside of Eve (a game) and "they" are moving as quickly as "they" can while maintaining real life responsibilities. The smoke and mirrors about "investigations" has lasted you guys what? A year? May as well keep singing the same tune. Yep, may as well. You've got all the answers.
Black Omne Caldari Freedom-Technologies Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2011.02.16 00:49:00 - [349] Edited by: Black Omne on 16/02/2011 00:49:23 Despite all the naysayers and scam proponents, I would like to thank Ray and Amarr Citizen for continuing their work on liquidating the bank, they could have walked away long ago, but I applaud their efforts, even if it has taken a long time, they are not getting anything out of it, and are investing their time and effort, which I appreciate. Just my opinion. . . . .
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:08:00 - [350] Originally by: Black Omne Edited by: Black Omne on 16/02/2011 00:49:23 Despite all the naysayers and scam proponents, I would like to thank Ray and Amarr Citizen for continuing their work on liquidating the bank, they could have walked away long ago, but I applaud their efforts, even if it has taken a long time, they are not getting anything out of it, and are investing their time and effort, which I appreciate. Just my opinion. True, however they had two choices when liquidating. A. Issue shares like they are doing now then paying out everyone. Would have taken a few days to weeks to figure out the number of shares needed and how many to issue. B. Ask for API keys, decide not to pay back anyone who was involved in a scam or default on the bank. Issue shares like they are doing now then paying out everyone. Which is taking years to figure out the number of shares needed and how many to issue plus all the background checks going on. Personally I prefer to work smarter, not harder. Apparently they prefer complicating things or are really stupid.

Andrew Wulfe	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:38:00 - [351] Originally by: Breaker77 B. Ask for API keys, decide not to pay back anyone who was involved in a scam or default on the bank. Issue shares like they are doing now then paying out everyone. Which is taking years to figure out the number of shares needed and how many to issue plus all the background checks going on. Personally I prefer to work smarter, not harder. Apparently they prefer complicating things or are really stupid. I'm glad they chose B frankly. Not doing so would have been like issuing shares to Ricdic. I'm for cutting out scammer and defaulters. Why should they get any more of my isk than they already have?
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:41:00 - [352] Originally by: Andrew Wulfe I'm glad they chose B frankly. Not doing so would have been like issuing shares to Ricdic. I'm for cutting out scammer and defaulters. Why should they get any more of my isk than they already have? A very good point. But in the year or so it's been, most people could have recovered the difference plus made even more ISK.
Amaroq Dricaldari Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.16 14:02:00 - [353] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari What does it mean for a bank to liquidate? Because I want to open an account, but don't want to risk my ISK. They closed, and they're planning on giving people only some of their money back, and even then, only when they feel like it. This might not be the right time to send them your money. Might I recommend this instead? I do not trust your bank. Why do I not trust your bank? -- As an Amarr Defector, I chose to become a Mercenary and Industrialist. I also have one goal in mind: Create a new age of peace and prosperity for all four empires.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:08:00 - [354] Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari I do not trust your bank. Why do I not trust your bank? Please stop calling me a bank. I'm not a bank. I'm not offering to give out spaceship checking/savings account combos. I'm borrowing money to re-loan it. Yes it's bank-like, but I'm not a bank.
Amaroq Dricaldari Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:13:00 - [355] I never said it you WERE a bank. I simply don't trust it. That is all. -- As an Amarr Defector, I chose to become a Mercenary and Industrialist. I also have one goal in mind: Create a new age of peace and prosperity for all four empires.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:17:00 - [356] Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari I never said it you WERE a bank. I simply don't trust it. That is all. That's nice. I don't trust you either.
Forlani Tristania Gallente Feral Tendency	Posted - 2011.02.24 02:01:00 - [357] Originally by: Forlani Tristania Bumping for great justice.
mine4ever	Posted - 2011.02.25 18:12:00 - [358] Any further update ?
AirCond	Posted - 2011.02.25 19:43:00 - [359] Yes any update ?
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.26 01:48:00 - [360] Originally by: AirCond Yes any update ? Your money is gone. You're not getting it back. You are being trolled in this thread by the Ebank people.

Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.02.26 01:57:00 - [361] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: AirCond Yes any update ? Your money is gone. You're not getting it back. You are being trolled in this thread by the Ebank people. Yes, 10 days ago someone from EBANK trolled everyone today.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.26 02:01:00 - [362] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Kalrand You are being trolled in this thread by the Ebank people. Yes, 10 days ago someone from EBANK trolled everyone today. Did I say today?
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.02.26 02:27:00 - [363] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Kalrand You are being trolled in this thread by the Ebank people. Yes, 10 days ago someone from EBANK trolled everyone today. Did I say today? Your face says today.
EBANK Amarr155	Posted - 2011.02.28 19:27:00 - [364] Just an update for anyone that still cares. Share distribution has started so shares should start to make their way into wallets today. There are over 1300 characters that have to have shares sent to them so expect this to take a bit of time.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.02.28 22:25:00 - [365] Originally by: EBANK Amarr155 Just an update for anyone that still cares. Share distribution has started so shares should start to make their way into wallets today. There are over 1300 characters that have to have shares sent to them so expect this to take a bit of time. I'm in shock!! You're not going to evemail them to confirm they are still playing to get their ISK back? What kind of scammer are you?
Dsan Bedlam. Waterboard	Posted - 2011.03.02 11:31:00 - [366] uhm, could we get an update on the eve bank website ? it seems a little late that this share thing is starting, if you need help distributing, just give me a list and a lot of shares and I'll start at one end, anything to get access to my isk a bit faster than never.
Tiger Wolf	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:28:00 - [367] Sooooo...Five days later and I still have not received my isk...did funds run out or are yall still working on it?? Are yall doing it alphabetically or in order of api verification or lowest to highest isk??
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:33:00 - [368] I am **ing lazy. I did z and y last night. Today I watched cricket, then rugby, then a movie. In between I drank *loads of wine. Tomorrow, I'm burning meat over an open flame, and hopefully getting lucky (yes, with a girl) later in the evening. I promise I'll try get through x by then though. AC can make his own guarantees, he's starting from the top. Granted a through c may contain more than x through z, but that's not my problem; I got to choose first. Not in the Exchange, don't invest!*
Cheque Please Hot Like Mexico	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:37:00 - [369] Ray, why haven't you announced your intention to run for CSM yet? --- RL Meeting w/ Chribba
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:43:00 - [370] Originally by: Cheque Please Ray, why haven't you announced your intention to run for CSM yet? Because I have no such intention, there are better people than myself. (/sad truth) Not in the Exchange, don't invest!

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:47:00 - [371] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Cheque Please Ray, why haven't you announced your intention to run for CSM yet? Because I have no such intention, there are better people than myself. (/sad truth) Oh god, according to 'merican politics I just announced I'm running, didn't I? Not in the Exchange, don't invest!
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:50:00 - [372] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Cheque Please Ray, why haven't you announced your intention to run for CSM yet? Because I have no such intention, there are better people than myself. (/sad truth) Oh god, according to 'merican politics I just announced I'm running, didn't I? And our next President of MD is ... ______________________________
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:53:00 - [373] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Cheque Please Ray, why haven't you announced your intention to run for CSM yet? Because I have no such intention, there are better people than myself. (/sad truth) Oh god, according to 'merican politics I just announced I'm running, didn't I? And our next President of MD is ... I would totally treat CCP like the Griffin's treat Meg. Not in the Exchange, don't invest!
locsas Caldari Utility Warehouse Discount Club	Posted - 2011.03.14 12:48:00 - [374] 'Locsas' erm... if it's being done alpabetically... i'm gonna be last ain't i? :( sad times any chance of an update as how far down the list we are? :)
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.03.14 13:28:00 - [375] AC completed A through C last night. Hah. I've done nothing more. Roughly we've done 300 out of 1300 distributions. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:25:00 - [376] Donate all the isk to plex for Japan instead of returning it to people. ;)
Dsan Bedlam. Waterboard	Posted - 2011.03.14 23:07:00 - [377] Edited by: Dsan on 14/03/2011 23:08:33 A through C ? then I figure I'm next or right around the corner :P How is it with these shares ? would the bank preffere us to keep our isk in the bank while you finish distributing ?
Misty McGinnity Mystify Trading Company	Posted - 2011.03.14 23:08:00 - [378] Edited by: Misty McGinnity on 14/03/2011 23:08:45 Originally by: Dsan A through C ? then I figure I'm next or right around the corner :P sure, we'll look into that mid-late next month, we've just had a big RMT order. edit: wrong toon.
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.03.15 02:12:00 - [379] I am curious if I am still on the payout list, my account Strrogash which cant be changed since you dont do it anymore had 6 bill plus interest. Can you update me please on what I should be expecting?
dewy99	Posted - 2011.03.15 23:01:00 - [380] Originally by: Ray McCormack AC completed A through C last night. Hah. I've done nothing more. Roughly we've done 300 out of 1300 distributions. Deam - why did I choose the name Ysera and not Asera XD it's going to be another 3 years before I'll see my bilion(s) again lol

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.03.16 05:03:00 - [381] Originally by: Strrog I am curious if I am still on the payout list, my account Strrogash which cant be changed since you dont do it anymore had 6 bill plus interest. Can you update me please on what I should be expecting? Remind me again of what your circumstances are in an email to raymcdot.eveat.gmaildot.com. I don't get my period for another week or so, you might catch me in a good mood before then and I'll sort it for you. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Arloeswr Gallente Vitriol Ventures United Front Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.24 17:59:00 - [382] I received my shares. I know it's been a tough road for the eBank Board but thank you.
General Wolfe	Posted - 2011.03.25 21:35:00 - [383] Edited by: General Wolfe on 25/03/2011 21:35:43 Any idea when my shares will be issued?
Torsten Hjaltland Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.25 21:39:00 - [384] How is the share issue going? when will you get to T for Torsten?
Roguehalo Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.25 22:01:00 - [385] Shouldn't this thread(and everybody associated with it) be given a decent burial? Enough is enough.
foxische Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.03.27 14:37:00 - [386] Got my 6300 shares, what's next ? ) [Service]Personal standing increase (UNIQUE!) + Setting a corporation
AirCond	Posted - 2011.03.30 17:51:00 - [387] I have no Shares WHY ????
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:02:00 - [388] Originally by: AirCond I have no Shares WHY ???? Because you got scammed of course. .
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:12:00 - [389] Originally by: AirCond I have no Shares WHY ???? You should check your wallet again. I know for a fact that you have shares. Somewhere around 6,498.
Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:57:00 - [390] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: AirCond I have no Shares WHY ???? You should check your wallet again. I know for a fact that you have shares. Somewhere around 6,498. Did you get a name-lift? You look ten years more... err... whatever is the attractive quality in eve! How YOU doin'?

Commander Godsmack	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:20:00 - [391] 13 pages = tl;dr Has any1 started wagering bets yet on how many pages this thread will end up being and if really EBANK will ever die?
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:28:00 - [392] Originally by: Commander Godsmack Has any1 started wagering bets yet on how many pages this thread will end up being and if really EBANK will ever die? I don't know about dying per se, but EBANK has a had a certain undead quality about it for a long time now.
Johnny Ringo Stargazer Exploration Company Transmission Lost	Posted - 2011.03.31 09:49:00 - [393] Well, all along, through all the negativity, I've kept the faith. Not that I was gonna get 100% of my isk back, but that the ebank folks were honestly making an effort to put things to right. I've believed at times that the Ebank BOD's actions were a bit heavy-handed, and I've thought from the beginning that liquidation was the way to go and I'm sorry that it's taken us this long to get here, but I can only imagine the effort that's goine into tracking down all the depositer accounts, sorting out who's active and who's not, distributing the shares and the like. Having recieved my shares, I want to thankj all involved. I'll wait to see what they actually turn out to mean, isk-wise. Getting anything back for me really will be gravy, since I had long-ago accepted the loss of a considerable sum to what turned out to be a bad bet. Thanks for all your work Ray and AmarrCitizen.
AirCond	Posted - 2011.04.02 15:18:00 - [394] Thanks Amarr Citizen I have got my Shares
Shazwa	Posted - 2011.04.03 09:37:00 - [395] wheres my ****ing shares then?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.03 11:20:00 - [396] Originally by: Shazwa wheres my ****ing shares then? At 2010-12-04 07:55:02.510 GMT your remaining 0.0004 ISK was written off. Apologies for the inconvenience. Feel free to EVEmail Entity ingame if you fell this is remiss. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Silverdog Matari BackBone Fate Weavers	Posted - 2011.04.03 11:39:00 - [397] Needs more s.
Imperius Blackheart Caldari RETRIBUTIONS. Legion of The Damned.	Posted - 2011.04.03 12:51:00 - [398] Although I didn't have much left within Ebank when it all went pear shaped I've got to admit my curiosity if I'm going to receive any shares at all. I haven't as of yet. Thanks Ray for everything you did picking this up and doing what you could with it, I appreciate it it wasn't your mess to begin with. KIA Corp Recruitment Director, mail me for more info.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.03 13:05:00 - [399] Originally by: Imperius Blackheart Although I didn't have much left within Ebank when it all went pear shaped I've got to admit my curiosity if I'm going to receive any shares at all. I haven't as of yet. Check your wallet again. According to our distribution sheet you received them a few days ago. They don't say EBANK, that's just the ticker. Actual corporation name is something like EVE Tech Savings n Loans. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.04.03 13:20:00 - [400] Originally by: Ray McCormack They don't say EBANK, that's just the ticker. Actual corporation name is something like EVE Tech Savings n Loans. They also have a hint of lilac scent if you hold them right up to your nose, which was was Ray's little personal feminine touch.

Imperius Blackheart Caldari RETRIBUTIONS. Legion of The Damned.	Posted - 2011.04.03 14:36:00 - [401] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Imperius Blackheart Although I didn't have much left within Ebank when it all went pear shaped I've got to admit my curiosity if I'm going to receive any shares at all. I haven't as of yet. Check your wallet again. According to our distribution sheet you received them a few days ago. They don't say EBANK, that's just the ticker. Actual corporation name is something like EVE Tech Savings n Loans. Ah indeed, my mistake, thank you. KIA Corp Recruitment Director, mail me for more info.
Master waka	Posted - 2011.04.03 15:32:00 - [402] Have you made it to the letter M yet?
Menkaure Amarr LEM0N	Posted - 2011.04.03 17:26:00 - [403] Originally by: Master waka Have you made it to the letter M yet? Hope they haven't, not got anything myself yet. shrug Whats another few weeks on the years we've been waiting so far.
Cheapo Hobo	Posted - 2011.04.03 22:04:00 - [404] Ha. Good thing I didn't invest my hard-earned money into money scams like this. I learned a lesson or two a few years back with the not-so great Onero scandal; Made my nose twitch at the wrong bird, if you know what I mean.
Caldari FTW123	Posted - 2011.04.03 22:25:00 - [405] Originally by: Cheapo Hobo Ha. Good thing I didn't invest my hard-earned money into money scams like this. I learned a lesson or two a few years back with the not-so great Onero scandal; Made my nose twitch at the wrong bird, if you know what I mean. Your keen insight into the ebank scandal is surely appreciated by interested parties, please share more of your opinion on this year+ saga because I'm sure we've not heard or thought anything about it before.
Dsan Bedlam.	Posted - 2011.04.03 22:55:00 - [406] Soo... what do I do with the shares ? Sell them to someone willing to buy them ? wait and collect isk in the long run or whats the point with the shares ?
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.03 23:27:00 - [407] Originally by: Dsan Soo... what do I do with the shares ? Sell them to someone willing to buy them ? wait and collect isk in the long run or whats the point with the shares ? You can sell them if you want, but if you do you won't get any of the payout when I finish the liquidation and issue the isk via dividends.
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2011.04.03 23:57:00 - [408] So you guys stated A-C shares have been given out... any updates on where you guys are now on the shares distribution? . Sales - CDRD
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2011.04.04 00:39:00 - [409] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 You can sell them if you want, but if you do you won't get any of the payout when I finish the liquidation and issue the isk via dividends. Can you tell us more about the liquidation payment? Is it going to be a one-time payment or extended over several months? What is the approximate value of each share? How many shares are you going to distribute? BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.04 02:14:00 - [410] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 You can sell them if you want, but if you do you won't get any of the payout when I finish the liquidation and issue the isk via dividends. Can you tell us more about the liquidation payment? Is it going to be a one-time payment or extended over several months? What is the approximate value of each share? How many shares are you going to distribute? Yes I can tell you more about the liquidation payment.

Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.04.04 02:34:00 - [411] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 You can sell them if you want, but if you do you won't get any of the payout when I finish the liquidation and issue the isk via dividends. Can you tell us more about the liquidation payment? Is it going to be a one-time payment or extended over several months? What is the approximate value of each share? How many shares are you going to distribute? Yes I can tell you more about the liquidation payment. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. ______________________________
Shadow Lightbringer Nightghosts Inc	Posted - 2011.04.04 04:17:00 - [412] I'm also still waiting for my shares as well.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.04 05:11:00 - [413] Originally by: Shadow Lightbringer I'm also still waiting for my shares as well. Also still as well? I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Wooster Knite	Posted - 2011.04.04 08:22:00 - [414] Edited by: Wooster Knite on 04/04/2011 08:22:05 i still dont own any shares, can you check please ? char name: MORWAGORION
Dsan Bedlam.	Posted - 2011.04.04 09:57:00 - [415] Calm down guys, they are obviously working on distributing the shares, I can confirm that from the A starting end, they have atlease moved beyond Ds. I know that Ray is starting in the opposite end and making his way through the pile. I guess est. value of each share right now is 10mill isk, because that's the attributed value from the bank. Give me a high enough ingame bid and you can buy some of mine or all mine.
Jackie Fisher Syrkos Technologies	Posted - 2011.04.04 10:33:00 - [416] Originally by: Dsan I guess est. value of each share right now is 10mill isk, because that's the attributed value from the bank. I think between 0-350K would be nearer. Joint Venture Conglomerate
Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.04.04 12:36:00 - [417] Joke's on you guys, I got my shares in 2008! Giggity!
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.04.04 12:50:00 - [418] Originally by: Dsan I guess est. value of each share right now is 10mill isk, because that's the attributed value from the bank. Give me a high enough ingame bid and you can buy some of mine or all mine. They are worth 1m each out of the 1.3t in "claimed debt" that EBank owes. Unfortunately they only had 700-800m in assets by the end from what I remember, making the shares worth at most around 600k each.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.04 16:25:00 - [419] Originally by: Dsan Calm down guys, they are obviously working on distributing the shares, I can confirm that from the A starting end, they have atlease moved beyond Ds. I know that Ray is starting in the opposite end and making his way through the pile. Yeah, AC and I are spit-roasting this baby good. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.04.04 22:53:00 - [420] Originally by: Elise DarkStar Originally by: Dsan I guess est. value of each share right now is 10mill isk, because that's the attributed value from the bank. Give me a high enough ingame bid and you can buy some of mine or all mine. They are worth 1m each out of the 1.3t in "claimed debt" that EBank owes. Unfortunately they only had 700-800m in assets by the end from what I remember, making the shares worth at most around 600k each. Huh? There's 300 Bil on AC's wallet as seen on eveboard, and I don't think that's even half of the total remaining value. ______________________________

Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.04 23:04:00 - [421] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Elise DarkStar Originally by: Dsan I guess est. value of each share right now is 10mill isk, because that's the attributed value from the bank. Give me a high enough ingame bid and you can buy some of mine or all mine. They are worth 1m each out of the 1.3t in "claimed debt" that EBank owes. Unfortunately they only had 700-800m in assets by the end from what I remember, making the shares worth at most around 600k each. Huh? There's 300 Bil on AC's wallet as seen on eveboard, and I don't think that's even half of the total remaining value. That silly Elisa, always making stuff up.
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.04.04 23:18:00 - [422] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Elise DarkStar Originally by: Dsan I guess est. value of each share right now is 10mill isk, because that's the attributed value from the bank. Give me a high enough ingame bid and you can buy some of mine or all mine. They are worth 1m each out of the 1.3t in "claimed debt" that EBank owes. Unfortunately they only had 700-800m in assets by the end from what I remember, making the shares worth at most around 600k each. Huh? There's 300 Bil on AC's wallet as seen on eveboard, and I don't think that's even half of the total remaining value. lol replace "m" with "b" A pretty obvious typo imo, but my mistake regardless, so I'll take it.
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.04.04 23:20:00 - [423] Originally by: Hexxx That silly Elisa, always making stuff up. Awww, are you going to follow me around with a hurt butt because you failed to properly prepare for your little rep-grind circle-jerk thread? How cute.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.05 01:01:00 - [424] Edited by: Hexxx on 05/04/2011 01:01:57 Originally by: Elise DarkStar Originally by: Hexxx That silly Elisa, always making stuff up. Awww, are you going to follow me around with a hurt butt because you failed to properly prepare for your little rep-grind circle-jerk thread? How cute. That silly Elisa, always making stuff up. edit: Unintentional mis-spelling of Elise. Fail.
EBANK SencneS Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2011.04.05 15:43:00 - [425] A little update on the Liquidation I'm involved in. BSAMR Shares have all been sold. Last valuation of these shares amounted to 100,330 ISK per share. The bulk majority of the shares where sold for 100,000 ISK each. I am unable to look a gift horse in the mouth, selling these shares for the price we paid for them, under a liquidation is considerably more then I expected. Due to dividends and some small trading activity while selling these share EBANK profited about 7-8 Billion ISK from it's initial investment in BSAMR. This is more then expected, and couldn't come at a better time. FINALLY something worked out to EBANK's advantage. A request to withdraw the ISK has been made, as Trustee the entire amount will be submitted to the SencneS character. I also understand if the withdrawal doesn't get processed within the 24-48 hour time frame, due to the size of the withdrawal. Once the funds are in SencneS' wallet, it'll be transfered to an EBANK wallet. EBANK SencneS SencneS Board of Directors EBANK
Nikitavar Caldari Pacific Rim Holdings	Posted - 2011.04.06 18:38:00 - [426] have all the shares been issued?
Katashi Ishizuka Caldari Tritanium Workers Union	Posted - 2011.04.11 03:15:00 - [427] I'm thinking more and more each day that everyone who says shares are being/have been issues is just a troll. Validated account and whatnot, name starts with a K, no shares for me. I'm pretty sure this is just a troll thread now, sorry guys. I had high hopes for a brief period but at least I didn't put too much cash into this nonsense. v0v
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.11 04:55:00 - [428] I find your lack of faith disturbing. We've only done A-K and T-Z. For your enthusiasm though, I have added the following note next to your entry on our share distribution log: Do this guy last. You're welcome. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.11 05:31:00 - [429] Originally by: Ray McCormack I find your lack of faith disturbing. We've only done A-K and T-Z. For your enthusiasm though, I have added the following note next to your entry on our share distribution log: Do this guy last. You're welcome. Noted.
Electus Ereptor	Posted - 2011.04.11 05:37:00 - [430] Originally by: Ray McCormack I find your lack of faith disturbing. We've only done A-K and T-Z. For your enthusiasm though, I have added the following note next to your entry on our share distribution log: Do this guy last. You're welcome. But... his name starts with a K.

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.11 06:08:00 - [431] Originally by: Electus Ereptor But... his name starts with a K. We're three names into K. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Andrew Wulfe	Posted - 2011.04.11 11:07:00 - [432] All you smart guys who picked a name in the middle of the alphabet hoping not to get primaried - HA! Finally those of us who failed to think out the in-game implications of our names are rewarded for our error! Alphabet extremists, rejoice!!!!! I have MY shares! You guys in the middle of the alphabet, you can just wait your turn.
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.04.11 11:22:00 - [433] Originally by: Andrew Wulfe All you smart guys who picked a name in the middle of the alphabet hoping not to get primaried - HA! Finally those of us who failed to think out the in-game implications of our names are rewarded for our error! Alphabet extremists, rejoice!!!!! I have MY shares! You guys in the middle of the alphabet, you can just wait your turn. +rep
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.04.11 12:09:00 - [434] You guys are all aware that the shares don't do anything at all until they are all out, right?
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.11 13:21:00 - [435] Originally by: Tutskii You guys are all aware that the shares don't do anything at all until they are all out, right? You're like a gray cloud on a sunny day looming over a beach where happy people swim, and dance in circle with hands joined singing Age of Aquarius.. Amarr for Life
Electus Ereptor	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:35:00 - [436] Originally by: SencneS Originally by: Tutskii You guys are all aware that the shares don't do anything at all until they are all out, right? You're like a gray cloud on a sunny day looming over a beach where happy people swim, and dance in circle with hands joined singing Age of Aquarius.. Gasp why did you change your portrait? Your old one was alot sexier.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:40:00 - [437] Edited by: SencneS on 11/04/2011 15:39:51 Originally by: Electus Ereptor Gasp why did you change your portrait? Your old one was alot sexier. Note character names. EBANK SencneS is the young tramp looking one. Unless you mean the Blonde one? I was playing around a lot with the new stuff, I was under the impression the character customizer in game would allow you to change facial structure, but instead it just allowed me to change hair etc, so I screwed up my face while playing with stuff around and saved it under false pretenses. I then went in game and found I'm kind of stuck with what I changed. SencneS is Amarr/Amarr very hard to work with the limitations CCP setup for that race/bloodline I was trying to go more dominating look when I saved it, I quickly changed it because in game the little icon kinda sucked. Went into the editor and was kinda ****ed I am stuck with a facial structure that is suited for more bad attitude. But I'll work with what I have some more, I'm never done lol. Of cause EBANK SencneS is damn near perfect the way she is, I like the idea of having a young, dumb looking tramp as the representitive of EBANK Amarr for Life
Electus Ereptor	Posted - 2011.04.11 18:54:00 - [438] Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 11/04/2011 15:39:51 Originally by: Electus Ereptor Gasp why did you change your portrait? Your old one was alot sexier. Note character names. EBANK SencneS is the young tramp looking one. Unless you mean the Blonde one? I was playing around a lot with the new stuff, I was under the impression the character customizer in game would allow you to change facial structure, but instead it just allowed me to change hair etc, so I screwed up my face while playing with stuff around and saved it under false pretenses. I then went in game and found I'm kind of stuck with what I changed. SencneS is Amarr/Amarr very hard to work with the limitations CCP setup for that race/bloodline I was trying to go more dominating look when I saved it, I quickly changed it because in game the little icon kinda sucked. Went into the editor and was kinda ****ed I am stuck with a facial structure that is suited for more bad attitude. But I'll work with what I have some more, I'm never done lol. Of cause EBANK SencneS is damn near perfect the way she is, I like the idea of having a young, dumb looking tramp as the representitive of EBANK Yarr, the blonde one looked much nicer. EBANK Sencnes is pretty nice as well. Heard she comes from money as well.
mine4ever	Posted - 2011.04.11 19:57:00 - [439] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Electus Ereptor But... his name starts with a K. We're three names into K. How far are you away from M Ray :)
Krythas	Posted - 2011.04.12 03:20:00 - [440] Originally by: mine4ever Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Electus Ereptor But... his name starts with a K. We're three names into K. How far are you away from M Ray :) Surely that would be two letters away ?

Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.12 03:59:00 - [441] Originally by: Krythas Originally by: mine4ever Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Electus Ereptor But... his name starts with a K. We're three names into K. How far are you away from M Ray :) Surely that would be two letters away ? +9,321, would read again. A++. /thread. u mad. /finger
hsv557	Posted - 2011.04.13 05:04:00 - [442] seen a few "I's" say they have their shares, what happened to the "H's" Still havent recieved my shares?????
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 05:14:00 - [443] Originally by: hsv557 Still havent recieved my shares????? You were never set to receive any. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Angela hsv	Posted - 2011.04.13 06:38:00 - [444] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: hsv557 Still havent recieved my shares????? You were never set to receive any. you gotta be kidding me, I asked if i was confirmed and verified on multiple occasions and i was told yes. i had 5 billion in this bank, sat here waited patiently and for what? and to think i sold fcking a load of plexs for that 5 billion. real money. thats F******Ked
hsv557	Posted - 2011.04.13 06:40:00 - [445] Originally by: Angela hsv Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: hsv557 Still havent recieved my shares????? You were never set to receive any. you gotta be kidding me, I asked if i was confirmed and verified on multiple occasions and i was told yes. i had 5 billion in this bank, sat here waited patiently and for what? and to think i sold fcking a load of plexs for that 5 billion. real money. thats F******Ked
Mr Mirage KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.13 11:39:00 - [446] please can you check IgnisFatuus - doesnt seem to have any shares either despite me verifying that account and being told nothing else needed to be done.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 12:03:00 - [447] Originally by: Angela hsv I asked if i was confirmed and verified on multiple occasions and i was told yes. Please provide proof to backup this outrageous lie. Also, lol that you spent rl cash to invest in a virtual bank. Originally by: Mr Mirage please can you check IgnisFatuus - doesnt seem to have any shares either despite me verifying that account and being told nothing else needed to be done. Look at your corp name, and then decide if you deserved to get anything out of the bank. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 12:26:00 - [448] ..To the snarky ass hats from EBANK: Were you guys snarky ass hats before being Internet space bucks moguls? If so, then proceed. If not then I would advise that you just stop this whole EBANK nightmare. Passing out space bucks back to the dumb investors is not worth it if it is making you act and turn into such pompous jackasses. Try doing something fun. Space bucks come and go but the effects of stress and ulcers will last a lifetime.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.13 13:14:00 - [449] Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..To the snarky ass hats from EBANK: Were you guys snarky ass hats before being Internet space bucks moguls? Just to confirm, AC wasn't before eBank. Can't speak for Ray but your point is valid. The longer this lasts, the lower their respective civility goes. It's a shame really, liked them both at one time. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 13:17:00 - [450] Originally by: Syds Sinclair If so, then proceed. Roger Wilco, thanks for the permission. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 13:19:00 - [451] Originally by: Syds Sinclair Try doing something fun. Space bucks come and go but the effects of stress and ulcers will last a lifetime. Being a snarky ass hat doesn't count? I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Atima Minmatar House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.04.13 13:22:00 - [452] Edited by: Atima on 13/04/2011 13:24:11 Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..To the snarky ass hats from EBANK: Were you guys snarky ass hats before being Internet space bucks moguls? Just to confirm, AC wasn't before eBank. Can't speak for Ray but your point is valid. The longer this lasts, the lower their respective civility goes. It's a shame really, liked them both at one time. I prefer the new speak your mind format we seem to have running recently, rarther than the massive spellchecked walls of text with obscure vocabulary of the past. Atleast we all know where everyone stands with eachother now. Theres less 'MD elite' asshattery nowadays. Edit: That's not to say I don't think people should post well thaught out and formatted posts, particularly new players. Atleast then we can see you show some communication skills.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 13:52:00 - [453] Originally by: Atima stuff ..I'm all for brutal honesty also. It's just the "lol I has ur isk and u mite git it u mite not" asshattery for the sake of epeen fapping asshattery that bugs me. Doesn't bug me to the point where I'm not enjoying eating my second bowl of Life cereal and perusing the forums tho.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.13 13:55:00 - [454] Originally by: Atima I prefer the new speak your mind format we seem to have running recently, rarther than the massive spellchecked walls of text with obscure vocabulary of the past. Another don't get used to it response from me. I only selected brevity because I did not want to give offense to either Ray or AC. Longer posts can lead to misinterpretation or, as is usually the case, intentional misconstruing by third parties. That being said, I will still be making long posts but not because I'm showing off communication skills: Firstly, I do it because I can. I can type at a nice prodigious speed so typing what I think, in detail, doesn't take me very long at all. Not only do I type faster than some people talk but, given the examples in this community, I can type faster than some people think. Secondly, I'm fighting the devolution of the human species one long post at a time. This may strike you as something of a joke or troll but language is the basis of thought. The shorter we make our language the shorter we think. Far too many people have adopted this methodology to an extreme. Thus by exercising my own brain, with vocabulary, I expand my own intellect and those around me who care to join me. Far more mental exercise partners around here than "perception" would lead one to believe. I will confess that I do swing from verbose to parsimonious with my responses. When I'm fairly certain that linguistic or cultural biases will have minimal effect on my post I'll risk being a bit turgid. Otherwise I'll exercise a bit more bluntness for the sake of reaching people who do not speak my version of English very well... if they speak English well at all. Your jest was not niggardly in humor at my expense so I wanted to make sure I gave you the fullness of my thought in my response to you. I hope that this response titillates your day. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Atima Minmatar House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.04.13 14:10:00 - [455] Edited by: Atima on 13/04/2011 14:12:13 Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Atima I prefer the new speak your mind format we seem to have running recently, rarther than the massive spellchecked walls of text with obscure vocabulary of the past. Another don't get used to it response from me. I only selected brevity because I did not want to give offense to either Ray or AC. Longer posts can lead to misinterpretation or, as is usually the case, intentional misconstruing by third parties. That being said, I will still be making long posts but not because I'm showing off communication skills: Firstly, I do it because I can. I can type at a nice prodigious speed so typing what I think, in detail, doesn't take me very long at all. Not only do I type faster than some people talk but, given the examples in this community, I can type faster than some people think. Secondly, I'm fighting the devolution of the human species one long post at a time. This may strike you as something of a joke or troll but language is the basis of thought. The shorter we make our language the shorter we think. Far too many people have adopted this methodology to an extreme. Thus by exercising my own brain, with vocabulary, I expand my own intellect and those around me who care to join me. Far more mental exercise partners around here than "perception" would lead one to believe. I will confess that I do swing from verbose to parsimonious with my responses. When I'm fairly certain that linguistic or cultural biases will have minimal effect on my post I'll risk being a bit turgid. Otherwise I'll exercise a bit more bluntness for the sake of reaching people who do not speak my version of English very well... if they speak English well at all. Your jest was not niggardly in humor at my expense so I wanted to make sure I gave you the fullness of my thought in my response to you. I hope that this response titillates your day. My post was in no way a dig at your posting style. I'm actually praising your posting style to a certain extent. I was refering to the old IPO offering style, for example my old IPO offeringLinkage Plenty filler. Little content. It might look impressive but it can be reduced into little more than 2-3 paragraphs. Edit : It's not the use of obscure vocabulary, its the unneeded use of it.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.13 14:28:00 - [456] Originally by: Atima Edit : It's not the use of obscure vocabulary, its the unneeded use of it. Probably a bit subtle but that is a little of what I was doing. =) Especially at the end. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Atima Minmatar House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.04.13 14:41:00 - [457] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Atima Edit : It's not the use of obscure vocabulary, its the unneeded use of it. Probably a bit subtle but that is a little of what I was doing. =) Especially at the end. You got me =(
Eu Daimon Gallente Merchants of the Golden Goose	Posted - 2011.04.13 15:05:00 - [458] Never underestimate the ethos created by a seemingly intelligent wall of text.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 15:14:00 - [459] Originally by: Atima Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Atima Edit : It's not the use of obscure vocabulary, its the unneeded use of it. Probably a bit subtle but that is a little of what I was doing. =) Especially at the end. You got me =( ..A successful intelligent pseudo troll! Grats! On a serious note, if I could do it over again I would double major in some kind of linguistics and philosophy. Perhaps a masters in linguistics but no less then a phd in philosophy. To hell with bringing home the bacon!
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 15:17:00 - [460] I would say that before ebank I was a fairly easy to get along with individual, and I still am so long as you aren't an idiot. The difference now is I don't have as much patience for dealing with idiots as I used to. As far as shortness, I'm far too busy IRL to be concerned with how people feel about this most important internet spaceship bank. In three weeks I'll be walking across a stage to accept my masters diploma, but during the next three weeks I've got to finish my research paper. This might not seem like a big deal to many of you very intelligent and well-educated individuals but as the first member of my family to earn a bachelors degree (and now a masters) AND having been educated in Oklahoma (HA!), I'm pretty excited. I've also got a full-time job, 3 year old, stamp collection, ant farm, 2 dogs, and 3 moles on my back. I don't own any cowboy boots, I have ridden a horse but I do not own any, I don't own any cows, I don't swim down in the crick, I do not enjoy country music, and I don't have a mullet. I'm also a republican who's registered as a democrat that tells everyone I'm an independent. Now that you know me, let's be friends. Tell me a little bit about yourself.

Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.13 15:22:00 - [461] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I would say that before ebank I was a fairly easy to get along with individual, and I still am so long as you aren't an idiot. The difference now is I don't have as much patience for dealing with idiots as I used to. You know one of the most ego boosting moments for me was as you transformed from pre-eBank AC155 to eBank AC155... Athre would exclaim, "AC is starting to channel Shar!" Knowing your schedule and life like I do I was, myself, not trying to be critical. However perhaps a few less /fingers could not hurt either. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 15:27:00 - [462] Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 13/04/2011 15:35:23 Quote: Emo whine from Armarr Citizen ..Before I can psycho analyse you I'm going to need your full API key. Please try to not cut yourself in the mean time. Edit On a serious note, congratulations on your RL achievement. And if you using the dumb saps who invested with EBANK as whipping boys is what got you through your scholastic grind, then no harm no foul. Except that you're an asshat. What's your degrees in? Fake Edit Last time Shar I promise! Next time I'll take it to EveGate!
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 15:50:00 - [463] Originally by: Syds Sinclair Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 13/04/2011 15:35:23 Quote: Emo whine from Armarr Citizen ..Before I can psycho analyse you I'm going to need your full API key. Please try to not cut yourself in the mean time. Edit On a serious note, congratulations on your RL achievement. And if you using the dumb saps who invested with EBANK as whipping boys is what got you through your scholastic grind, then no harm no foul. Except that you're an asshat. What's your degrees in? Fake Edit Last time Shar I promise! Next time I'll take it to EveGate! That's a crazy number of edits. It's in occupational education.
Mephistocles Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2011.04.13 16:00:00 - [464] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I would say that before ebank I was a fairly easy to get along with individual, and I still am so long as you aren't an idiot. The difference now is I don't have as much patience for dealing with idiots as I used to. As far as shortness, I'm far too busy IRL to be concerned with how people feel about this most important internet spaceship bank. In three weeks I'll be walking across a stage to accept my masters diploma, but during the next three weeks I've got to finish my research paper. This might not seem like a big deal to many of you very intelligent and well-educated individuals but as the first member of my family to earn a bachelors degree (and now a masters) AND having been educated in Oklahoma (HA!), I'm pretty excited. I've also got a full-time job, 3 year old, stamp collection, ant farm, 2 dogs, and 3 moles on my back. I don't own any cowboy boots, I have ridden a horse but I do not own any, I don't own any cows, I don't swim down in the crick, I do not enjoy country music, and I don't have a mullet. I'm also a republican who's registered as a democrat that tells everyone I'm an independent. Now that you know me, let's be friends. Tell me a little bit about yourself. Boomer?!
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 16:06:00 - [465] Originally by: Mephistocles Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I would say that before ebank I was a fairly easy to get along with individual, and I still am so long as you aren't an idiot. The difference now is I don't have as much patience for dealing with idiots as I used to. As far as shortness, I'm far too busy IRL to be concerned with how people feel about this most important internet spaceship bank. In three weeks I'll be walking across a stage to accept my masters diploma, but during the next three weeks I've got to finish my research paper. This might not seem like a big deal to many of you very intelligent and well-educated individuals but as the first member of my family to earn a bachelors degree (and now a masters) AND having been educated in Oklahoma (HA!), I'm pretty excited. I've also got a full-time job, 3 year old, stamp collection, ant farm, 2 dogs, and 3 moles on my back. I don't own any cowboy boots, I have ridden a horse but I do not own any, I don't own any cows, I don't swim down in the crick, I do not enjoy country music, and I don't have a mullet. I'm also a republican who's registered as a democrat that tells everyone I'm an independent. Now that you know me, let's be friends. Tell me a little bit about yourself. Boomer?! Sooner!!! Actually I'm at OSU but I guess I'm not really die-hard either way.
Mephistocles Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2011.04.13 16:48:00 - [466] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Sooner!!! Actually I'm at OSU but I guess I'm not really die-hard either way. OU alum here. Congratulations on the masters. Hopefully you'll stick around. We need more educated, non-redneck types to off set the mouth breathers.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.13 16:54:00 - [467] Originally by: Mephistocles Congratulations on the masters. Hopefully you'll stick around. We need more educated, non-redneck types to off set the mouth breathers. Logic Fail! Just because he's hooded doesn't change his basic nature. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Gabriel Rosencrantz	Posted - 2011.04.13 16:58:00 - [468] Originally by: Mephistocles We need more educated, non-redneck types to off set the mouth breathers. Yes, your presence needs to be offset.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 17:07:00 - [469] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Mephistocles Congratulations on the masters. Hopefully you'll stick around. We need more educated, non-redneck types to off set the mouth breathers. Logic Fail! Just because he's hooded doesn't change his basic nature. ..I tend to lump anyone who is not from my formal or informal school of thought into the mouth breather category.
Mr Mirage KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.13 17:14:00 - [470] Edited by: Mr Mirage on 13/04/2011 17:15:22 Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Mr Mirage please can you check IgnisFatuus - doesnt seem to have any shares either despite me verifying that account and being told nothing else needed to be done. Look at your corp name, and then decide if you deserved to get anything out of the bank. :( as I've never had anytihng do with kia corp's ebank dealings, then yes. Anyway, wasn't it some other corp inside kia alliance that caused problems, not kia corp?? seems a bit unreasonable to tar with such a broad brush stroke.

Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 17:30:00 - [471] Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 13/04/2011 17:31:39 ..Unreasonable? Why, that's Ray's middle name! Yep, good ole' Ray "Unreasonable" McCormack. Bein' snarky. Demanding full APIs. Stealin' space bucks.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 17:34:00 - [472] Guilt by association, I'm afraid. KIA Corp had direct connections with two defaults and one attempted theft, its directorship and membership were complicit in this fraud amounting to hundreds of billions. The time for jurisprudence is past, reparations are due and will be exacted by any means possible. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 17:34:00 - [473] Originally by: Syds Sinclair Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 13/04/2011 17:31:39 ..Unreasonable? Why, that's Ray's middle name! Yep, good ole' Ray "Unreasonable" McCormack. Bein' snarky. Demanding full APIs. Stealin' space bucks. Don't forget "Pimpin dem hoes"
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 17:36:00 - [474] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Syds Sinclair Ray "Unreasonable" McCormack Don't forget "Pimpin dem hoes" At the office it's "Two Rulers" McCormack. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Mr Mirage KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.13 17:56:00 - [475] the theft was an ebank employee, one default was a different corp. never heard of a second one. and since when are membership complicit with leadership decisions on the scale of 100s of billions??
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 18:00:00 - [476] Originally by: Mr Mirage and since when are membership complicit with leadership decisions on the scale of 100s of billions?? Since I say so. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Atima Minmatar House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.04.13 18:22:00 - [477] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Mr Mirage and since when are membership complicit with leadership decisions on the scale of 100s of billions?? Since I say so. <3
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.04.13 18:31:00 - [478] ROFLBank
RAW23	Posted - 2011.04.13 18:55:00 - [479] Originally by: Ray McCormack Guilt by association, I'm afraid. KIA Corp had direct connections with two defaults and one attempted theft, its directorship and membership were complicit in this fraud amounting to hundreds of billions. The time for jurisprudence is past, reparations are due and will be exacted by any means possible. Does this legitimise all defaults by EBANK depositors that occured after Ricdic's theft then? Also Kwint's actions that you whined so heartily about? And, of course, it would seem to make you and all the EBANK directors legitimate targets for any depositors to exact 'reparations' from.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 19:31:00 - [480] Originally by: RAW23 Does this legitimise all defaults by EBANK depositors that occured after Ricdic's theft then? Also Kwint's actions that you whined so heartily about? I don't understand this part of your post. Can you explain further? Anyone that defaulted before or after Ricdic ran off is being treated the same. Originally by: RAW23 And, of course, it would seem to make you and all the EBANK directors legitimate targets for any depositors to exact 'reparations' from. I don't think it really changes how some people are going to feel about us. At the same time, I don't think we care. The way I think a person could look at it is: every member in KIA benefited directly or indirectly from the theft, and some more than others. We have no way of really knowing if they were or were not directly involved or if they are actually alts of the individuals that knowingly and intentionally defaulted. After I pay out the liquidated funds I won't have anything so I guess if someone wants to steal nothing from me and call it 'reparations', have at it.

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 19:42:00 - [481] Justification is a useless currency in EVE, you either have the ability to enforce and exact, or you don't. Might is right. Your pathetic ethical analogies are the last desperate bastion of defence for those too pathetic to protect themselves. Welcome to impotency, population you. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 19:54:00 - [482] Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 13/04/2011 19:56:10 Originally by: Ray McCormack Justification is a useless currency in EVE, you either have the ability to enforce and exact, or you don't. Might is right. Your pathetic ethical analogies are the last desperate bastion of defence for those too pathetic to protect themselves. Welcome to impotency, population you. ..ITT: Cause WE GOT TEH ISK LOLOLOL (ad infinitum) and you don't, so suck it losers! We're from the Muammar Gaddafi school of thought! I will rule you or I will KILL YOU! And by KILL YOU I mean keep your isk, because actually killing you would be rather uncouth, don't you think? Plus all of that United Nations and being charged with crimes against humanity foolishness. Who has the time? We have a dictatorship err, I mean internet spaceship bank with spacebucks to run! And by run I mean embezzle and demand full API keys. And by demand full API keys I mean profiting off of our intimate knowledge of your spaceship cowboy antics. And by intimate spaceship cowboys I mean fap.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.13 19:58:00 - [483] Originally by: Syds Sinclair Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 13/04/2011 19:56:10 Originally by: Ray McCormack Justification is a useless currency in EVE, you either have the ability to enforce and exact, or you don't. Might is right. Your pathetic ethical analogies are the last desperate bastion of defence for those too pathetic to protect themselves. Welcome to impotency, population you. ..ITT: Cause WE GOT TEH ISK LOLOLOL (ad infinitum) and you don't, so suck it losers! We're from the Muammar Gaddafi school of thought! I will rule you or I will KILL YOU! And by KILL YOU I mean keep your isk, because actually killing you would be rather uncouth, don't you think? Plus all of that United Nations and being charged with crimes against humanity foolishness. Who has the time? We have a dictatorship err, I mean internet spaceship bank with spacebucks to run! And by run I mean embezzle and demand full API keys. And by demand full API keys I mean profiting off of our intimate knowledge of your spaceship cowboy antics. And by intimate spaceship cowboys I mean fap. Most of your arguments are so 2009. Get with the times.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.04.13 20:10:00 - [484] Originally by: Ray McCormack Justification is a useless currency in EVE, you either have the ability to enforce and exact, or you don't. Might is right. Your pathetic ethical analogies are the last desperate bastion of defence for those too pathetic to protect themselves. Welcome to impotency, population you. But boy did you ***** when Kwint took his action against EBANK. Welcome to feeble hypocrisy, etc. There is no issue of ethical analogy here, simply of ethics. It's sad to see that you have fallen so far as to invoke the might is right doctrine - it leads to some pretty unpleasant places and whilst you might flatter yourself that you are such a bad boy as to revel in those consequences I don't believe you really are. You are spouting pseudo-intellectualised garbage to justify your latest arbitrary decision, not pursuing a principled line of action. Otherwise you would just be walking with all the remaining isk in EBANK and AATP. If you don't, then you have reasons for not doing so and those reasons have nothing to do with might.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.04.13 20:15:00 - [485] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: RAW23 Does this legitimise all defaults by EBANK depositors that occured after Ricdic's theft then? Also Kwint's actions that you whined so heartily about? I don't understand this part of your post. Can you explain further? Anyone that defaulted before or after Ricdic ran off is being treated the same. Sure. My point is that by your logic they did nothing wrong (or at least nothing different from what you are doing now). Once EBANK was tainted with guilt by association due to a director stealing depositors' isk, not to mention the overturning of the terms of service, it then becomes legitimate to withhold payment to anyone connected to the tainted body, right?
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 20:34:00 - [486] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 ..every member in KIA benefited directly or indirectly from the theft, and some more than others. We have no way of really knowing if they were or were not directly involved or if they are actually alts of the individuals that knowingly and intentionally defaulted. ..I'm sure you have looked into exactly how many KIA invested into EBANK em i rite? Because if it is just this lone dumb poor sap who gave RP SPACEBUX MOGULS his isk as an investment, surely the odds that there was malice in this individuals heart regarding the KIA scam are very slim, indicating that his poorly thought out investment should be repaid in full. Or is it just because you have the spacebucks, and so, are kings amongst Fedo. If that is the case, then I sure hope that enacting your will against opposition because of your might is worth being, as I like to call it, an asshat.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 20:38:00 - [487] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Syds Sinclair Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 13/04/2011 19:56:10 Originally by: Ray McCormack Lol I hav ur spacebux. ..Post of epic proportions. Most of your arguments are so 2009. Get with the times. ..The arguments that you guys spun and deflected in 2009 are still applicable today.
Atima Minmatar House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.04.13 20:51:00 - [488] wait.... what did kwint do? I've been /afk to long :( Actually most of you probably think it wasn't long enough ^^
RAW23	Posted - 2011.04.13 21:01:00 - [489] Edited by: RAW23 on 13/04/2011 21:04:02 Originally by: Atima wait.... what did kwint do? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1239103&page=1 Edit Actually, the place to start is here. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1218519&page=21#630
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.13 22:13:00 - [490] Originally by: Atima wait.... what did kwint do? I've been /afk to long :( Actually most of you probably think it wasn't long enough ^^ Long story short... Kwint and EBANK both had debts with each other. Kwint's debt to EBANK was larger then EBANK's debt to Kwint. When EBANK locked and froze all accounts Kwint stopped paying EBANK internet on the Bond, but kept paying everyone else. KWINT then went a step further and denied EBANK the ability to sell those public traded bonds to anyone. EBANK whipped KWINTS account. Apart from all the W T FKERY that was happening going on here, the whole situation escalated at an alarming pace for a start. To me I felt like KWINT really just wanted to stick it to EBANK and would do anything he could to make that happen. Even now after over a year from the event I look back and see both sides had valid points, I still feel as if KWINT just wanted to get away with a quick bonus, and used EBANK as an excuse to take those actions rather then coming up with or working with Ray to resolve the issue. Not that it made much difference in the end, I doubt KWINT would have pumped his API into EBANK anyway, so he got away with several billion more ISK then he was "entitled" to at the expense of EBANK. People around here call that a scam and the executor of that action a scammer. If KWINT and EBANK both chose not to pay interest on each others debts that should have been more then enough to satisfy everyone concerned. If KWINT and EBANK did a ISK for ISK payback until either KWINT or EBANK didn't owe the other any debt. Leaving one still in debt to the other. That would have been enough to satisfy everyone concerned. But neither of these actions took place, which is sad, despite Ray's offers to continue to work with Kwint to resolve the issue. meh, water under the bridge, just another three billion ISK being denied from EBANK's verified account holders. And on the 488th post thou said unto me... THY SHALL START FIRE!! Amarr for Life

Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.04.13 23:12:00 - [491] Originally by: SencneS Originally by: Atima wait.... what did kwint do? I've been /afk to long :( Actually most of you probably think it wasn't long enough ^^ Long story short... Having not been there at the time, and have only read the threads today, that's a remarkably biased opinion you are espousing there SenceS. Just saying...
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.13 23:31:00 - [492] Originally by: Khanid Voltar Having not been there at the time, and have only read the threads today, that's a remarkably biased opinion you are espousing there SenceS. Just saying... Oh I absolutely agree.. I must say back then I appeared a little blinded. Viewing the situation in the here and now bias aside, the whole situation was childish. I can tell you with honesty that Ray did want to work it out, but it was meet with nothing but total resistance from Kwint. When all the efforts failed they feed off each other and create what is best described as a poor resolution. I viewed Kwint as honorable, and having him turn sourpuss over a situation he made personal, over the choices EBANK made affecting everyone hurt. It's probably what created my bias a little evident in that post. Even though I tried to remove all signs of it, I just couldn't help it Amarr for Life
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 23:37:00 - [493] ..So Ray and Co. Can scam, ridicule, and confiscate ISK and your all for it. But Kwint? Aw he's being childish and scamming. Gotcha.
Atima Minmatar House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.04.13 23:47:00 - [494] Hmn, if I was in Kwints position I would have wrote off the difference but continued to pay and excess I owed. This is the only logical way to do it and why the hell would he invest and borrow at the same time unless it was just his balance he needed onhand.... in which case it was probably negligable in comparison to his debt. That makes it a pretty ****ish move.
Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.04.13 23:48:00 - [495] Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 13/04/2011 23:49:32 Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..So Ray and Co. Can scam, ridicule, and confiscate ISK and your all for it. But Kwint? Aw he's being childish and scamming. Gotcha. I think the difference was that EBANK was a (failing) bank, and therefore felt it was able to re-write contractual obligations with impunity without fear of consequences. And unfortunately (for EBANK) Kwint wouldn't stand for it and used the leverage at his disposal to force the point. KV edit - clarity
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 23:59:00 - [496] Originally by: Khanid Voltar Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 13/04/2011 23:49:32 I think the difference was that EBANK was a (failing) bank, and therefore felt it was able to re-write contractual obligations with impunity without fear of consequences. And unfortunately (for EBANK) Kwint wouldn't stand for it and used the leverage at his disposal to force the point. KV edit - clarity ..Like any red blooded hamburger eatin American would do! Kwint, I salute you.
Rafia Landras Audeles Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:11:00 - [497] Funny, what I got from reading that thread was Ray telling Kwint to go frick himself. And Kwint actually doing it. And then Ray going: "I was just kidding! When I said what are you gonna do about it I really meant I wanted to work things out" I hope Ray is a wizard at.. doing something, because his communication skills, public speaking, and general manner leave a lot to be desired. Also, SecneS account seems a bit.. biased. Particularly the "Ray was trying to work things out" bit. Very humorous however.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:13:00 - [498] Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..So Ray and Co. Can scam, ridicule, and confiscate ISK and your all for it. But Kwint? Aw he's being childish and scamming. Gotcha. WARNING I enjoyed posted this and use creative writing to enhance my to match your opinion clearly evident in your post.. Well since you view it like that I pose to you this! Kwint's personal wallet is 3 Billion ISK up, 3 Billion which came from EBANK deposits, under the promises of paying it back to EBANK which has promised to pay back it's customers. So by extension Kwint stole from EBANK customers just like Riddic, but he only made 3 Billion. Pretty small scam if you ask me.. EBANK is 3 Billion ISK less on it's commitment due to KWINT.. EBANK has only ever zeroed out accounts for the following reasons 1) They scammed or defaulted on a debt. 2) They where Riddic 3) The customer requested it. 4) They are unable to prove that they are not 1 or 2. Before you get on you high horse be well aware of my position on EBANK Policies surrounding this before you textually attack me, I can sight with forum evidence my position and how it has never changed. You should know that I view things like this in an extremely logical processed way. EBANK owed Kwint 2 Billion ISK EBANK owned 5 Billion worth Kwint bonds KWINT Rightfully stopped interest payments on EBANK Held KWINT Bonds due to EBANK Policy to stop interest payment on account holders. EBANK Chose to announce it selling the publicly traded KWINT bonds to anyone wanting to buy them. KWINT Denied the sale and voided the transaction locking EBANK in to hold a 5 Billion Debt that will not be repaid. EBANK Recovered ISK from KWINT's personal EBANK account, recovering 2 Billion of the 5 Billion debt it is unable to liquidate. Childish posturing aside done from both Ray and Kwint the progression here is Kwint's actions make him a scammer. If EBANK wasn't in the situation it was and that happened you'd be trolling Kwint's every word, but masking it the way Kwint did not only makes him a scammer but a maniacal one! Beside, Syds, you're post history has been evidence of your complete contempt for EBANK and everything it represents, at least in the posts above I'm will be recognize a few thing, facts are facts, you on the other hand have kept the same unwavering opinion with all certainty that you can never be wrong and justified in posting the way you do. I've hope you've all enjoyed this post brought to you by the mind of someone who enjoys word-smithing replied to trolls.. Amarr for Life
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:23:00 - [499] Originally by: Rafia Landras Audeles Also, SecneS account seems a bit.. biased. Particularly the "Ray was trying to work things out" bit. Very humorous however. Evidence of Ray's desire is unavailable on the forum, humorous it may be to you, it is also honest. Since I am unable to provide prove of this on a forum in which I do not have edit or mod permission makes this opinion... not so effective. It's unfortunate evidence of this is not available, MSN logs and EBANK forum posts are not good enough to prove my opinion of Ray's intentions.. What I find humorous, is that you find my opinion of Rays intentions humorous. In all honesty I have no real way of knowing if Ray had any other motive then resolving this. Personal account of that particular situation is Ray wanted to resolve it. Why you think this is humorous is what is humorous in my opinion. Lets see if I can twist any more posts... NEXT! Amarr for Life
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:29:00 - [500] Originally by: SencneS WARNING I enjoyed posted this and use creative writing to enhance my to match your opinion clearly evident in your post.. ..Yes I must say very creative. /Yawn. Originally by: SencneS ..Beside, Syds, you're post history has been evidence of your complete contempt for EBANK and everything it represents,.. Yes true. I do have complete contemp for EBANK and everything it represents. Including but not limited to demanding full API, asshattery from EBANK reps, and incompetent EBANK admins. Originally by: SencneS ..you on the other hand have kept the same unwavering opinion with all certainty that you can never be wrong and justified in posting the way you do. Umm..thank you? Yes my opinion is unwavering. Isn't that a good thing? It in fact is if the opposition does not present valid arguments to the magnitude of wavering my opinion. Yes I think until you folk justify yourself, I'll keep my opinion. Thank you. Originally by: SencneS I've hope you've all enjoyed this post brought to you by the mind of someone who enjoys word-smithing replied to trolls.. Exquisite word-smithing. And by Exquisite word-smithing, I mean absolute self serving blather.

Rafia Landras Audeles Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:29:00 - [501] Edited by: Rafia Landras Audeles on 14/04/2011 00:30:23 Kwint: Quote: Ray, Let me lay the situation bare for you: EBANK and I both hold a portion of the other's debt and we both owe interest on it. Every week I pay the interest on my debt and every week you essentially tell me to go screw myself. I pay and you thumb your nose at me, denying me not just access to my money but unilaterally declaring your interest to be null and void while mine is still to be paid in full. From my perspective EBANK is demonstrating a willful and intentional failure to meet their commitments. Not having the funds to honor withdrawals is unfortunate but understandable. Declaring you're no longer going to pay interest is not. In fact, taken in time with your continued insistence that debts to you be honored and the idea that the bank will continue to operate after returning to solvency makes this seem downright malicious. You are at best taking advantage of the situation to limit your future liability and at worst -and I would argue- downright defrauding your customers. Returning to the point at hand, we both owe each other capital plus regular interest payments. I'm paying, you're telling me "tough luck." How do you suggest we resolve this? Just to clarify a bit further, here's the situation I'm asking for: I let EBANK hold several billion of my money for as long as they like with me having no control over it and in exchange I get an IOU for 3% monthly. EBANK has in turn loaned me a couple billion via bonds which I pay them actual cash for at 4.25% monthly. So, EBANK holds my money ransom giving me an IOU that even taken at facevalue is worth less than what I give them every month in actual cash. This is the situation I'm trying to cajole you guys into accepting! And Ray: Quote: Originally by: Kwint Sommer How do you suggest we resolve this? Quote: We just sold your shares. Now what? You are right, unless you are a gifted psychic its rather hard to see how Ray wanted to work this out. He tried so hard, the poor dear, and is so misunderstood. Why this thread and the rest of the Ebank comedy efforts show just how hard Ray tries to work things out with everyone.
Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:31:00 - [502] Just out of interest, why was Ray the one to take over? Was he involved at the beginning but left, was he the most trusted auditor at the time or what? I mean if I were him and I'd been involved in a thankless task clearing up other peoples mistakes for the past two years I'd ~~probably~~ definitely be getting a bit shirty with people by now. Although I can also see it from the other perspective whereby the investor has had to wait 2 long years to get back the isk (and hence is also pretty shirty). Just interested KV
Rafia Landras Audeles Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:32:00 - [503] Originally by: Khanid Voltar Just out of interest, why was Ray the one to take over? Was he involved at the beginning but left, was he the most trusted auditor at the time or what? I mean if I were him and I'd been involved in a thankless task clearing up other peoples mistakes for the past two years I'd ~~probably~~ definitely be getting a bit shirty with people by now. Although I can also see it from the other perspective whereby the investor has had to wait 2 long years to get back the isk (and hence is also pretty shirty). Just interested KV You mean any investors have gotten back any isk?
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:37:00 - [504] Quote: EBANK has only ever zeroed out accounts for the following reasons 1) They scammed or defaulted on a debt. 2) They where Riddic 3) The customer requested it. 4) They are unable to prove that they are not 1 or 2. ..4) Investees are in KIA alliance. Reply with spin incoming.
Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:39:00 - [505] Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 14/04/2011 00:42:34 Originally by: Rafia Landras Audeles Originally by: Khanid Voltar Just out of interest, why was Ray the one to take over? Was he involved at the beginning but left, was he the most trusted auditor at the time or what? I mean if I were him and I'd been involved in a thankless task clearing up other peoples mistakes for the past two years I'd ~~probably~~ definitely be getting a bit shirty with people by now. Although I can also see it from the other perspective whereby the investor has had to wait 2 long years to get back the isk (and hence is also pretty shirty). Just interested KV You mean any investors have gotten back any isk? No, I mean why was Ray the person chosen to take over. The rest was just blather on my part (its 1.40am!) edit - not trying to start on Ray, just curious why he was the one to take over.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:42:00 - [506] ..Wait guise, maybe if Kwint had just "Frozen" EBANK's assets and asked for their full API's this whole matter could have been resolved. EM I RITE SCENES??
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 01:59:00 - [507] ..I said EM I RITE SCENES? Or is this one of those times when your frail attempt to save face, and the face or your lackeys/lackors, is confronted with that pesky little deamon called logic and/or reason? Is this one of those instances where you just ignore the logic and/or reason and then continue posting on the forums like nothing ever happened? He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave. ~Andrew Carnegie
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.14 02:41:00 - [508] Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..Wait guise, maybe if Kwint had just "Frozen" EBANK's assets and asked for their full API's this whole matter could have been resolved. EM I RITE SCENES?? Ding dong... You are wrong... Careful now, You clearly don't know me well enough to try and call me out in such a blatant way. I have nothing to lose and call people bluffs left and right, Why? I can, I have nothing to lose. If Kwint wanted my API in exchange for him repaying what remaining debt back to EBANK, I would have happily given it over. In fact, I tell you what since you have the illusion you're so right here.. since you seem to think KWINT was so in the right here, I offer this up. You pay me the 5 Billion ISK KWINT owes EBANK. I'll give you may full API key which has never changed since it was originally generated by CCP, I'm too lazy to change it anyway so you've got it for as long as I play EVE. I'll transfer that 5 Billion to EBANK to go towards liquidation, I will also clear Kwint's name from an EBANK standpoint and to go even more, I'll reinstate Kwint's account, reinstate his full account balance, verify his account, have Ray issue you his shares, and when EBANK pays the dividends you'll get his part of the liquidation. You be the Hero Kwint refused to be.. In fact I'll offer that up to ANYONE that wants to cover his scammers debt with EBANK. You want a glimpse of why I have this bias, horrible opinion of this scammer.. Here it is. I don't often like to quote myself but here it is.. Originally by: SencneS Raffle off that 3B ISK. In fact I tell you what, I'll do you a deal here. You run a Raffle, and draw names for anyone that signs up, when the name is drawn I'll personally check their EBANK account total, (Any account API active or not) and I'll tell you what their account balance is. You keep pulling names until that 3B is gone. You said you where doing this for MD, so lets see you REALLY DO IT for MD. Put it up for grabs, become the "HERO" you where originally trying to be. I'm not joking here, Run it, I'm calling you out right here right now (I know you're asleep), put that 3B ISK in a raffle for all the people that have EBANK accounts. I gave kwint the option to not go down scammers lane, to put the ISK he withheld form EBANK to use to do exactly what he was claiming he was trying to do. He never took it. He kept that ISK, ISK wasn't officially entitled to for personal gain. Choice quote here from that thread Originally by: YouGotRipped I was hoping you'd say that. Let me be the first to congratulate you, Kwint, you're now officially part of the family. I may be bias toward him, but it's because despite all the childish banter, best intentions, and egotistical bullcrappery. Kwint chose to KEEP that 3 Billion ISK, when he was given the option above by me and I would have MADE it happen. My offer stands to you Syds, now it's your chance to put your ISK where your opinion is. Cover the debt, become the hero, I dare you, in fact I double dog dare you. I gain nothing, you gain everything. Will you heed the call? Or are you just a troll support the actions of a scammer? Amarr for Life
Rafia Landras Audeles Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.14 02:48:00 - [509] Originally by: SencneS You pay me the 5 Billion ISK KWINT owes EBANK. I'll give you may full API key which has never changed since it was originally generated by CCP, I'm too lazy to change it anyway so you've got it for as long as I play EVE. I'll transfer that 5 Billion to EBANK to go towards liquidation, I will also clear Kwint's name from an EBANK standpoint and to go even more, I'll reinstate Kwint's account, reinstate his full account balance, verify his account, have Ray issue you his shares, and when EBANK pays the dividends you'll get his part of the liquidation. You be the Hero Kwint refused to be.. Wasn't it 3 billion? Your math is only second to your bank management skills. I missed the class in hero school where being a hero required taking Ray's abuse and tolerating random change of terms to the benefit of the crafter of said terms at his whim. I guess he should have begged Ray to abuse him some more. Are you really this dense?
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.14 02:51:00 - [510] Edited by: SencneS on 14/04/2011 02:53:10 Originally by: Rafia Landras Audeles Wasn't it 3 billion? Your math is only second to your bank management skills. I missed the class in hero school where being a hero required taking Ray's abuse and tolerating random change of terms to the benefit of the crafter of said terms at his whim. I guess he should have begged Ray to abuse him some more. Are you really this dense? Are you? KWINT owed EBANK 5 Billion. If you actually read the post with in unbiased opinion you'd see I would also reinstate EBANK Debt to kwint and transfer that account balance to him.. clap clap clap for sticking your foot in your mouth.. Thanks for play though.. edit:- Changed "debt" to "Account balance" Amarr for Life

Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 03:24:00 - [511] ..Just a few musings before I go to bed. So you will surrender your API. Great. One down, 5 to go? And as I recall, Ray has stated in a post that he won't be giving out his API. So close, but ohh. Sucks that you are subject with the company you keep. As for being proud that you have nothing to lose. Um yeah. Neither do I. Being completely honest with what I think is real and not spinning a discussion with what I want to be real is the kicker. And better yet, if sufficient evidence is presented to the magnitude to change my opinion, no harm no foul. Because I am not emotionally attached to the opinion I've formed via logic and reason. Unlike your undying devotion to trying to uphold EBANK and it's denizens to the top of morality and ethics. To close on this, maybe you have nothing to ,ose because you have already turned yourself out and pumped whatever self respect you had by feebly trying to be the White Knight for a dying ship and crew. And as for quoting a scammer calling the party in question (Kwint) a scammer, well that surely is enough proof for us dumb folk now isn't it? Now on to how I can put my money where my opinion is. Yes, me paying the 5 bil to EBANK surley shows that I think Kwint was right in not payi g the 5 bil to EBANK. Right? Umm right?
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.14 04:42:00 - [512] Originally by: Syds Sinclair Stuff Not really trying to uphold a dying ship, but I am anal retentive enough to defend the correct cause of action. Neither EBANK's or KWINT's actions are fully justified, or correct in any way. When reading those posts this afternoon there was people in there talking about EBANK broke the contract, so KWINT broke the contract with EBANK. While this is correct it's missing one very important point, the contract was interest obligations. EBANK stopped paying KWINT's interest, as a retaliation, KWINT stopped paying EBANK interest. At that very point in time the contacts between KWINT and EBANK where broken, done, nothing more to be said. The issue became the remaining debt both entities held. If you consider the most correct cause of action with least resistance from both sides:- EBANK stops interest to KWINT KWINT stops interest to EBANK EBANK Liquidate KWINT bonds. KWINT reinstates the bonds interest. EBANK has 5 Billion more ISK, back to ground zero, as if the incident didn't happen. EBANK continues on the exact same cause it took to a point in the future. KWINT get his part of his investment in EBANK. That was the most correct cause of action to resolve the entire issue. That didn't happen, KWINT made off with 5 Billion ISK on a 2 Billion ISK account. Bias? I may have posted that way, but when you break it down into just the actions, remove the emotion, the posturing, the choices each entity could have taken, there was one clear entity which made out better at the expense of the other. I can safely say if the roles had been reversed and KWINT's investment into EBANK was 5 Billion, and EBANK Investment into KWINT was 2 Billion, and both Kwint and Ray took the same cause of actions. Kwint would still have 3 Billion ISK in his EBANK account. I would have pushed for that to happen, why? Because it's the right thing in that situation. I tried letting Kwint know this, but he wasn't hearing it. And saying it here and now are hollow words, but I always stand behind my statement, if that was the situation I would have made sure that would have happened. I'm not saying EBANK was right, but what KWINT did, in my opinion, more wrong then EBANK. The actions speak for themselves, if you ignore everything else, it's pretty clear. Given the choices he had available Kwint chose poorly and is marked a scammer by my standards. If he had taken me up on my offer, I wouldn't consider him a scammer, but Actions speak louder then words, I called his bluff and he folded. One can only assuming he was out for himself, and that's what he got. Amarr for Life
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.14 05:11:00 - [513] In Kwint's position, I would have done the same thing. Also, there's a lot of passing acquaintance with the truth in the posts above, from all parties. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Clementina The Scope	Posted - 2011.04.14 05:17:00 - [514] Quick Question for the people still following this failed bank for the 2nd? 3rd? year. How much is an EBANK share worth? Is the value above 0.00 isk?
Leneerra Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.14 11:31:00 - [515] Sencnes, Your idealized sollution is utter nonsense, considering how it actually went down. (As far as I could tell from the sidelines). ebank unilatirally changed the agreement with their customers, eventually freezing accounts completely for an inderterminate time. Months passed (I repeat months. And deadlines were either not given, or not kept if one was given). a Director liquidated his ebank deposits at 100% (but he did return the surplus above that amount) without much public outcry from ebank. Then as far as I know Kwints first action was to try and work something out with ebank about the intrests on the mutual debts (not sure if it was tried privately first, but it was done publicly). ebanks reaction was a rude no. Kwint responded with unilaterally changing the agreement (quite similar to ebanks actions before) ebank proclaimed they would try to circumvent the changes in the agreement. Kwint took action (I'd formaulte it as this: He declared ebank in default, sold their collateral without setling the surplus) ebank then cried foul. My opinion on the matter: ebank got what it deserved. (Yes I do understand his actions cost me money too, assuming I get anything payed out eventually.) Discaimers and (non)random remarks: Eve is a game. RL is always more importand than the game. Those that stuck with ebank are to be commended for their endurance and willingness to try and make the best of a difficult situation. If you pretend ebank is a business, then I will also also pretend it is a business. Those that cannot communicate civilly should not comunicate as a representative for others (ps: A CEO is always a representative).
Misty McGinnity Mystify Trading Company	Posted - 2011.04.14 11:36:00 - [516] Originally by: Leneerra Sencnes, Your idealized sollution is utter nonsense, considering how it actually went down. (As far as I could tell from the sidelines). Please do not create discord within our community in such a manner. This is clearly trolling Sences. I've always found his posts to be logical, well thought through and superbly presented.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 11:42:00 - [517] ..So SencneS let me get this right. You admit that both EBANK and Kwint were in the wrong, but Kwint was in the wrong moreso then EBANK. So, for Kwint's wrongness, he is a scammer. By your own words, EBANK is a scammer, just a kettle bit less then Kwint. EMIRITE? You heard it here folks, EBANK Amin admits that EBANK are scammers, just not as much as Kwint.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.14 11:48:00 - [518] Originally by: Syds Sinclair You heard it here folks, EBANK Amin admits that EBANK are scammers, just not as much as Kwint. You just won Eve forums, you may proceed to the winners circle and continue jerking off. All biases aside, seriously mate, this bit of word play here is cheap and far beneath what I've come to expect from you. My relevance in these matters, and to most people, is small but I just thought I'd tell you that you've lost my respect with this statement. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Misty McGinnity Mystify Trading Company	Posted - 2011.04.14 11:50:00 - [519] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Syds Sinclair You heard it here folks, EBANK Amin admits that EBANK are scammers, just not as much as Kwint. You just won Eve forums, you may proceed to the winners circle and continue jerking off. All biases aside, seriously mate, this bit of word play here is cheap and far beneath what I've come to expect from you. My relevance in these matters, and to most people, is small but I just thought I'd tell you that you've lost my respect with this statement. Please do not take Shar to heart. His respect for you has not been lost forever, he is simply providing you constructive critism. As they say : Sometimes you have to be nasty to be nice!
Johnny Ringo Stargazer Exploration Company Transmission Lost	Posted - 2011.04.14 12:09:00 - [520] Originally by: Clementina Quick Question for the people still following this failed bank for the 2nd? 3rd? year. How much is an EBANK share worth? Is the value above 0.00 isk? Finally after pages and pages of recriminations and gum flapping an interesting and relevant question. How about at least an estimate so we can plan?

Cheque Please Hot Like Mexico	Posted - 2011.04.14 14:16:00 - [521] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Syds Sinclair Ray "Unreasonable" McCormack Don't forget "Pimpin dem hoes" At the office it's "Two Rulers" McCormack. Ray and AC, if only these were the new forums I'd dutifully thumbs up every post you make in this thread For while I disapprove of your snarkiness, frown upon your Abe Lincoln top asshattery, and wish you'd just pay these poor people back... my god, it is hilarious can't.take.eyes.off.train --- RL Meeting w/ Chribba
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.14 14:38:00 - [522] Edited by: SencneS on 14/04/2011 14:39:13 Syds Sinclair it's not the same scenario.. EBANK is liquidating and returning what ISK it can to the shareholders, that is happening. I fully understand that the current perception of EBANK is it hasn't given ANY ISK and is holding it all, this makes it appear a scam, however I am wondering what you're opinion will be once EBANK finishes distributing the shares, finishes liquidating and paying out what it was able to recovery and build up? The key to the argument here is, EBANK will NEVER see that ISK from KWINT... EBANK customers WILL get the ISK EBANK was able to recover. I agree, at this very point in time EBANK is no better then KWINT, so for now if calling EBANK a scam to justify defending a scammers actions makes you personally feel better, then so be. Just be aware the conditions of your opinion are going to change, are you going to change or still blissfully and with full ignorance maintain the same opinion? Amarr for Life
Rafia Landras Audeles Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.14 15:10:00 - [523] Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 14/04/2011 14:39:13 Syds Sinclair it's not the same scenario.. EBANK is liquidating and returning what ISK it can to the shareholders, that is happening. I fully understand that the current perception of EBANK is it hasn't given ANY ISK and is holding it all, this makes it appear a scam, however I am wondering what you're opinion will be once EBANK finishes distributing the shares, finishes liquidating and paying out what it was able to recovery and build up? The key to the argument here is, EBANK will NEVER see that ISK from KWINT... EBANK customers WILL get the ISK EBANK was able to recover. I agree, at this very point in time EBANK is no better then KWINT, so for now if calling EBANK a scam to justify defending a scammers actions makes you personally feel better, then so be. Just be aware the conditions of your opinion are going to change, are you going to change or still blissfully and with full ignorance maintain the same opinion? ITT: Things you wish you will live to see.
Leneerra Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.14 15:38:00 - [524] Edited by: Leneerra on 14/04/2011 15:39:54 Sencnes, I disagree with your Evaluation of the situation at the time of the Kwint episode (and I guess many before and since). At that time ebank was proclaiming loans defaulted, loans on which no interest was being paid, and/or no downpayments were forthcoming nor scheduled. Whatever assets ebank had as security on those loans (not a lot I admit, with sadness even) was declared ebank property and the proceeds from the sales or use of those former securities became ebank property (and said to be schedueled for eventual return to the bank depositors) Kwint did exactly the same, except he did not promse to devide the difference on the sale of the securities between the remaining investors on the day of closing the bond Your proclaimed benevolent intend does not change the mechanics of the situation or actions. Or: In your eyes the end may justify the means, but not everyone may agree. And might does noth make right. Edit spelling, hope I got them all
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.14 15:47:00 - [525] Originally by: Leneerra Edit spelling, hope I got them all Doesn't matter, you still hit the right notes. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.14 17:34:00 - [526] Edited by: SencneS on 14/04/2011 17:36:09 Originally by: Leneerra Kwint did exactly the same, except he did not promse to devide the difference on the sale of the securities between the remaining investors on the day of closing the bond. I think I see where you're coming from, but am having trouble determining how they relate. Let me see if I understand what it is you're trying to say. Kwint loaned EBANK 2 Billion ISK and expected interest. EBANK loaned Kwint 5 Billion ISK and expected interest. The second EBANK stopped interest payment and froze the account, Kwint performed the same with the bond to EBANK. If this is your opinion the same actions where taken so it's justified, but I think it's important to include scope. Kwint deliberately targeted EBANK while honoring all other debts. EBANK did it to everyone of it's accounts on a global scale. Sure I admit, EBANK's actions are much broader and damning but it's unilateral. From an outsider looking at the actions EBANK did and, what Kwint did, was no different. Please do not take this next statement snotty in any way, I'm not trying to argue in defense, I'm applying the same logic you are applying to the situation. I said back then that EBANK was unable to repay the full debt. If you take it from a purely investment standpoint KWINT's account was only worth about 30% of his initial investment. EBANK's investment was still worth 100% its initial investment. This is going to sound rich, but again I'm applying the same logic you're applying, in a claim genuine manner in a thought out way, without bias to either side. To be as "correct" as possible, KWINT had the right to withhold the Bonds value in according to it's actual value to the sum of Kwint's account balance. Meaning, since Kwint Bonds where valued, sold, and closed out at 100% the value, his outstanding debt to EBANK was 5 Billion. Kwint had the right to withhold any debt of EBANK's to the sum of his account, but not more. In a all things are equal scenario Kwint owed EBANK just under 3 Billion ISK. This is the part that will sound rich, please don't troll this statement, I'm not justifying this here, I'm mealy stating what happened. EBANK then chose to lower the debt Kwint owed EBANK by clearing out his account at 100% it's value. Remember it was only worth 30%, but EBANK chose to honor 100% the account balance and lower Kwints outstanding debt to EBANK. If EBANK was to follow the value Kwint's debt to EBANK would still be over 4 Billion. EBANK is only expecting ~2.93B from Kwint because it has already issued 100% account balance to Kwint, in the form of lowering his debt owing. Now this is me applying personal thought.. (Feel free to troll this part if people feel they must) In return to EBANK lowering his debt Kwint had this to say "You're damn straight I'm keeping the two-point-something billion as a fee and damages." This was in a statement about him fully liquidating his bond and re-paying investors. Now I can't speak for Kwint but he said "EBANK forced him to Liquidate 30 Billion" when all EBANK was asking for is 3 Billion, personally it sounds like Kwint just wanted out of MD, EVE, and used EBANK as an excuse to get out while he could. Why did Kwint, who did liquidate and could repay 100% his debt to investors, not repay EBANK's remaining debt.. EBANK has already "paid" Kwint 100% of his account balance without his API. This is the part a lot of people seem to be ignoring here. While I admit the reason EBANK did that was not as a sign of good faith but a retaliation, if you just consider the actions and the implication of the actions as Leneerra describes, the outcome is why I have a bias opinion of him and why I declare him a scammer. A little harsh it may be, but I can not find fault with that process of eliminating what was done and boiling it down to JUST the affect. The saying is "an EYE for an EYE", not "an EYE for both eyes". Amarr for Life
Rogueresearch	Posted - 2011.04.14 18:00:00 - [527] Edited by: Rogueresearch on 14/04/2011 18:06:06 Originally by: SencneS Extremely large wall of text.[ Does anybody actually read this stuff? So I log into Eve forums and I get a dialogue box asking which character i want to log onto. So I Type Roguehalo and make my post and then discover I've posted with an alt. 2 Questions for CCP. 1/ How hard can it be to keep someone logged into forums in THE SAME CHARACTER UNLESS THEY REQUEST OTHERWISE????? 2/ WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SORT OUT THIS POSTING WITH WRONG CHARACTER NONSENSE???? I mean it's only been going on for several years now.
Rafia Landras Audeles Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.14 18:18:00 - [528] Originally by: Rogueresearch Edited by: Rogueresearch on 14/04/2011 18:06:06 Originally by: SencneS Extremely large wall of text.[ Does anybody actually read this stuff? So I log into Eve forums and I get a dialogue box asking which character i want to log onto. So I Type Roguehalo and make my post and then discover I've posted with an alt. 2 Questions for CCP. 1/ How hard can it be to keep someone logged into forums in THE SAME CHARACTER UNLESS THEY REQUEST OTHERWISE????? 2/ WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SORT OUT THIS POSTING WITH WRONG CHARACTER NONSENSE???? I mean it's only been going on for several years now. It worked fine in the new forum. Oh noes, the new forum wasn't perfect so we are back to this. SecneS: I think the only point to make here is that Ebank didn't try to work anything out till after they had humilliated and **ed Kwint off to the point of saying "You know what, this, to hell with my bond and everything". Ebank did not act in good faith when it should have (that was the point of the "Whatcha gonna do" internet tough guy bull. But okay, show this good faith then, pay all of your investors their money back, with the interest owed to them. Kwint wanted merely for that interest to be noted and promised to be paid for which he was called a "financial terrorist" by Ray. And if he gets to cash out at 100% why doesn't everyone else? Looks like a double standard to me. The only difference seems to be that he said "enough" and had enough leverage to do something about your bull, while 99% of those unlucky enough to be involved in Ebank have no leverage and thus no option but to take Ray's ** with a smile. Whats the difference between this and any scam here where the scammer says theyll return the money at some point in the future, by the way? That you guys make a few posts, change your terms arbitrarily and kick sand in people's eyes every so often? You lack the humility that people sitting on a giant failure and the assets of other people who have no recourse should have.
Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.04.14 18:27:00 - [529] Originally by: Rogueresearch Edited by: Rogueresearch on 14/04/2011 18:06:06 Originally by: SencneS Extremely large wall of text.[ Does anybody actually read this stuff? So I log into Eve forums and I get a dialogue box asking which character i want to log onto. So I Type Roguehalo and make my post and then discover I've posted with an alt. 2 Questions for CCP. 1/ How hard can it be to keep someone logged into forums in THE SAME CHARACTER UNLESS THEY REQUEST OTHERWISE????? 2/ WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SORT OUT THIS POSTING WITH WRONG CHARACTER NONSENSE???? I mean it's only been going on for several years now. There is an option within your forum settings that allows you to select the default character with which to post. Used to annoy the hell outta me too, till I realised I could change the default. Hasnt gone wrong once since I set it up correctly.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.14 18:57:00 - [530] Rafia, if you insist on participating in a discussion about the finer points of a situation you should at least post with some thought.. Against my lack of better judgement here, because your post is highly inflammatory, there is so much wrong with your post it's difficult to choose where to start. It actually goes to show just how little thought you put toward the post, I'll narrow it down to just one observation to the vomit you just sprayed on the thread. "If he gets to cash out at 100% why doesn't everyone else? Looks like a double standard to me." If everything went EBANK's way, Kwint would pay 5B ISK. In return EBANK would pay Kwint 1 Billion ISK (using 50% account value, which is not accurate or final in anyway) The net result here, EBANK has 4 Billion ISK more to issue to accounts. The way it happened was.. EBANK didn't get ANY ISK from Kwint.. The net result EBANK doesn't have any additional ISK added to liquidation. What Should have happened in my opinion. Kwint issue the outstanding ~3 Billion ISK. Now in order to get that 5 Billion Outstanding debt from Kwint, EBANK chose to clear 2 Billion from his account in exchange for 3 Billion REAL ISK back. But that did't happen. What you're arguing here is stupidity.. You're saying that EBANK showed favoritism to Kwint by clearing his Debt and effectilvly cashing out his account at 100%.. If you actually used your brain instead of spewing garbage, you'd see; EBANK would have an additional 3 Billion ISK to issue to all it's account holders and REMOVES Kwint's stake in it, so their dividend is larger because Kwint would not have been included. I think I can honestly and safely speak for EVERY EBANK account holder in saying. EBANK clearing KWINT's account and took his account balance and applied it to Kwints Debt and Kwint repairing the remaining debt, is BETTER then what the current outcome.. You once asked me "How dumb are you?" Well, I have to consider the source of the question, and I can say "Not as dumb as you." Amarr for Life

Rafia Landras Audeles Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.14 19:04:00 - [531] Originally by: Rafia Landras Audeles SecneS: I think the only point to make here is that Ebank didn't try to work anything out till after they had humilliated and **ed Kwint off to the point of saying "You know what, this, to hell with my bond and everything". Ebank did not act in good faith when it should have (that was the point of the "Whatcha gonna do" internet tough guy bull. But okay, show this good faith then, pay all of your investors their money back, with the interest owed to them. Kwint wanted merely for that interest to be noted and promised to be paid for which he was called a "financial terrorist" by Ray. And if he gets to cash out at 100% why doesn't everyone else? Looks like a double standard to me. The only difference seems to be that he said "enough" and had enough leverage to do something about your bull, while 99% of those unlucky enough to be involved in Ebank have no leverage and thus no option but to take Ray's ** with a smile. Whats the difference between this and any scam here where the scammer says theyll return the money at some point in the future, by the way? That you guys make a few posts, change your terms arbitrarily and kick sand in people's eyes every so often? You lack the humility that people sitting on a giant failure and the assets of other people who have no recourse should have. I bolded the important lines to assist your reading comprehension. I apologize if the post is too complicated for you to understand. Love your evasion and random insults while managing to not address the post though. Very Ebank. Very you.
Cheque Please Hot Like Mexico	Posted - 2011.04.14 20:27:00 - [532] Edited by: Cheque Please on 14/04/2011 20:29:39 Hmm, I had pegged Ray as the sure-fire winner in the 'biggest troll' competition that this thread has become, but I have to say, the dark horse SencneS is making up A LOT of lost time --- RL Meeting w/ Chribba
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.14 20:52:00 - [533] Edited by: SencneS on 14/04/2011 20:52:46 Originally by: Cheque Please Hmm, I had pegged Ray as the sure-fire winner in the 'biggest troll' competition that this thread has become, but I have to say, the dark horse SencneS is making up A LOT of lost time Please refer to me as the While Stallion :) Edit:- Added link @Rafia There is nothing to address in that drivel.. Every single one of you so called "points" have already been addressed in previous posts in this very thread, not only by me but others as well. You comment on a post which was boiling down to just actions and their affects, which is how the thread was progressing, with nothing but garbage emotional thoughts and intentions about why you think those actions happened. It has always been in EBANK's best intentions to resolve the issue. I don't care if Ray traveled to Kwint house, lit a bag of his stools on fire and rang the doorbell, stood there waiting for Kwint to answer the door with a bucket of tar and feathers.. Kwint owes EBANK just short of 3 Billions ISK, until such time as he pays up, he is a scammer, and you're defending the actions of a scammer. Continue down the path if you must, if you can't reply with anything remotely constructive, you need not reply at all. Amarr for Life
Rafia Landras Audeles Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.14 21:01:00 - [534] Originally by: SencneS Kwint owes EBANK just short of 3 Billions ISK, until such time as he pays up, he is a scammer, and you're defending the actions of a scammer. I'm sorry, I lost count, how much money do you owe the community at large? And interest? I like the "IF you take our bs you are a hero, else you are a scammer" argument, but.. didn't you guys arbitrarily decide to hold on to peoples money to do as you please... for how long now? Your horse looks pretty high. Quite a bit higher than it should be, I think. A passerby may see it and miss the part where you arbitrarily withheld a significant amount of money, unrepentedly abuse your investors, and blatantly stole people's money and interest on it. But hey, good luck on the insurance venture. You look legit.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 21:10:00 - [535] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Syds Sinclair You heard it here folks, EBANK Amin admits that EBANK are scammers, just not as much as Kwint. You just won Eve forums, you may proceed to the winners circle and continue jerking off. All biases aside, seriously mate, this bit of word play here is cheap and far beneath what I've come to expect from you. My relevance in these matters, and to most people, is small but I just thought I'd tell you that you've lost my respect with this statement. ..In my defence, I had about 10 minutes to read SencneS post and post myself before I had to take my daughter to school and me off to work. And not so in my defence, I find the hyperbole funny. Also, I think that it shines a light on the whole attitude that every breach in contract by EBANK is for the good of the dumb whiney investors who are unreasonably asking questions. But a breach of contract by a mere peon? Smeone who is not a board member of EBANK? SCAMMER! This point is illustrated a few posts down by SencneS while he clearly states, no word play, that EBANK and Kwint's actions are on equal ground. What separates them is what EBANK is going to do. For the past 2+ years and into the unknown future. All while Ray "Unreasonable/Pinpin' dem Hoes'/Two ******ed" McCormack and Co. Is flouting their "might is right" antics. But mostly the hyperbole. Because I think that Internet spacebux mogul RPers are funny. In all honesty I know that my feeble post do noting for the EBANK board or the slighted investors. Just a fun thought experience and opportunity to channel the debater in me.
Roguehalo Caldari Roguehalo Ship Brokers	Posted - 2011.04.14 21:11:00 - [536] This is currently a Ray 'I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread' McCormack and Amarr Citizen 155(don't ask) vanity thread. Ray's a self confessed pr*ck and Amarr's just Rays gopher........ Come on people let this thread die it's long overdue death.
Cheque Please Hot Like Mexico	Posted - 2011.04.14 21:16:00 - [537] Originally by: SencneS It has always been in EBANK's best intentions to resolve the issue. I don't care if Ray traveled to Kwint house, lit a bag of his stools on fire and rang the doorbell, stood there waiting for Kwint to answer the door with a bucket of tar and feathers.. Kwint owes EBANK just short of 3 Billions ISK, until such time as he pays up, he is a scammer, and you're defending the actions of a scammer. But... but... you do realize that EBank has yet to pay off its own debt in over 3 yrs time? Give me the bank's 500bil and a list of who I send it to and how much and I'll sort it out in 10 min. Maybe you should start using the "honor among thieves" line to get Kwint to pay back the 3 bil. Ray has the snappy one-liners, which make him the crowd pleaser, but you definitely have your own style, that je ne sais quoi. Your responses are dissonant like mad poetry. --- RL Meeting w/ Chribba
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.14 21:56:00 - [538] Edited by: SencneS on 14/04/2011 21:59:13 Originally by: Rafia Landras Audeles I'm sorry, I lost count, how much money do you owe the community at large? And interest? How much does EBANK owe the community? 100% of it's available NAV. Which they'll be getting once Shares have finished being deployed to it's customers. The small flaw in your argument if while Kwint had to deal with Ray, Ray also had to deal with Kwint.. You're argument is one sided, remove the two entities to remove emotional connection and bias and what do you have? One person owes another ISK.. That person willfully didn't pay the ISK when they have every ability to. In it's most basic form away from emotional connection, intentions, Kwint didn't satisfy his obligation intentionally! EBANK is unable to satisfy it's obligations, given the time and effort put into it, it still unable to satisfy it's obligations, when that happens the entity gets liquidated for what it can get. Since you insist on focusing on JUST emotional and preserved intentions of Ray and Kwint ignoring the basic underlaying cause and affect.. For every single argument you can use to support Kwint actions, you can use the exact same argument to support Ray's actions. I already said they both escalated it, feeding off each other to the point of collapse. You can't seem to do the same, and only believe that Ray just wanted to bully someone.. Great argument, worthy of archive entry in WPDU.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Syds Sinclair This point is illustrated a few posts down by SencneS while he clearly states, no word play, that EBANK and Kwint's actions are on equal ground. Can you twist that a little more please.. WOW that's really pulling that out of context.. How disappointing.. Originally by: SencneS From an outsider looking at the actions EBANK did and, what Kwint did, was no different. Amarr for Life
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 22:07:00 - [539] Originally by: SencneS The key to the argument here is, EBANK will NEVER see that ISK from KWINT... ..But what if Kwint had just froze the ISK? Originally by: SencneS EBANK customers WILL get the ISK EBANK was able to recover. [Citation needed]. Except if you are now or ever been or will be in the future a member of KIA. Originally by: SencneS I agree, at this very point in time EBANK is no better then KWINT, See Shar? No word play! Originally by: SencneS Just be aware the conditions of your opinion are going to change, are you going to change or still blissfully and with full ignorance maintain the same opinion? Fellas fellas, it's going to get better. You'll get your ISK. Just be patient. I mean common, it's only been three years.
Rafia Landras Audeles Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.14 22:16:00 - [540] Originally by: Rafia Landras Audeles Edited by: Rafia Landras Audeles on 14/04/2011 00:30:23 Kwint: Quote: Ray, Let me lay the situation bare for you: EBANK and I both hold a portion of the other's debt and we both owe interest on it. Every week I pay the interest on my debt and every week you essentially tell me to go screw myself. I pay and you thumb your nose at me, denying me not just access to my money but unilaterally declaring your interest to be null and void while mine is still to be paid in full. From my perspective EBANK is demonstrating a willful and intentional failure to meet their commitments. Not having the funds to honor withdrawals is unfortunate but understandable. Declaring you're no longer going to pay interest is not. In fact, taken in time with your continued insistence that debts to you be honored and the idea that the bank will continue to operate after returning to solvency makes this seem downright malicious. You are at best taking advantage of the situation to limit your future liability and at worst -and I would argue- downright defrauding your customers. Returning to the point at hand, we both owe each other capital plus regular interest payments. I'm paying, you're telling me "tough luck." How do you suggest we resolve this? Just to clarify a bit further, here's the situation I'm asking for: I let EBANK hold several billion of my money for as long as they like with me having no control over it and in exchange I get an IOU for 3% monthly. EBANK has in turn loaned me a couple billion via bonds which I pay them actual cash for at 4.25% monthly. So, EBANK holds my money ransom giving me an IOU that even taken at facevalue is worth less than what I give them every month in actual cash. This is the situation I'm trying to cajole you guys into accepting! And Ray: Quote: Originally by: Kwint Sommer How do you suggest we resolve this? Quote: We just sold your shares. Now what? You are right, unless you are a gifted psychic its rather hard to see how Ray wanted to work this out. He tried so hard, the poor dear, and is so misunderstood. Why this thread and the rest of the Ebank comedy efforts show just how hard Ray tries to work things out with everyone. I'm sorry, was Kwint's spacing particularly rude? Yes, they had to deal with each other. One was a total **. One wasn't. It is rather easy to see which was which. And we are back to the only difference being that Kwint had leverage and didn't have to take your bull**. Which sadly, is not true for the poor saps you keep hostage and have for.. how long now? And why exactly should anyone play ball with you again? Why are your terms and abuses binding? Oh yeah, might. Well, it seems that by your own arguments, Kwint was more than justified then! What's good for the goose is good for the gander isn't it?

Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 22:21:00 - [541] Originally by: SencneS Originally by: Syds Sinclair This point is illustrated a few posts down by SencneS while he clearly states, no word play, that EBANK and Kwint's actions are on equal ground. Can you twist that a little more please.. WOW that's really pulling that out of context.. How disappointing.. ..Don't try to ride Shar's coat tails by implying that my content doesn't meet your expectations. I've been not meeting peoples expectations for years now! So how about this little gem? Quote: I agree, at this very point in time EBANK is no better then KWINT, Let me be honest, I have no desire nor gain any satisfaction by spinning or twisting others posts. I honestly try to take the connotations and inflictions of peoples posts into full consideration. If I quote something out of context, you or anyone, please enlighten me and if your argument suffices me then I will happily take it back, evaluate, and re comment.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 22:40:00 - [542] ..To Rafia and anyone else who still cares. It's clear to me that SencneS nothing more then a shill, a cheerleader, and a herald for EBANK and especially Ray. To SencneS. This nightmare could have all been avoided is EBANK and Co. Had just takin the approach of liquidation > paying a % to all investors instead of trying to keep the bank running,and I might add collecting a tidy salary for the board. I think everyone knows who and what your plans were to take care of first.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:21:00 - [543] Originally by: SencneS I agree, at this very point in time EBANK is no better then KWINT, Originally by: Syds Sinclair See Shar? No word play! Indeed not. (Cheeky bugger.) Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Krythas	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:27:00 - [544] I'm just surprised that kwint can withhold 3bn and the world is collapsing for investors yet AC can donate 24bn on behalf of the 1300 ebank account holders to Japan for good and no one blinks.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:34:00 - [545] Originally by: Krythas I'm just surprised that kwint can withhold 3bn and the world is collapsing for investors yet AC can donate 24bn on behalf of the 1300 ebank account holders to Japan for good and no one blinks. ..You see, that is precisely because Kwint isn't infallible like EBANK. And because he didn't freeze that 3bil.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:44:00 - [546] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: SencneS I agree, at this very point in time EBANK is no better then KWINT, Originally by: Syds Sinclair See Shar? No word play! Indeed not. (Cheeky bugger.) ..To reference a previous thread in which you called someone cheeky, I did just finish a cheeky six pack of pale ale. On a side note, Shar, be expecting an Evemail from me when I get to my PC. Evegate and iPads don't seem to play nice with each other.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:46:00 - [547] Riding coat tails of Shar.... p-lease... You along with a few others I've enjoyed debating something that happened years ago from my perspective and from the general perspective of the people not involved. I see that post and am saddened that the delightful converse is coming to an end.. Quote: I agree, at this very point in time EBANK is no better then KWINT It might have been too subtle and I'm sorry for that. I'll even go so far as to say both Kwint and EBANK have mirrored each others actions. Kwint paid out his bond to everyone but EBANK. EBANK paid out Kwint alone. So even this aspect is also identical from a purely functional perspective. However, on a 1:1 level Just EBANK, Just Kwint, No one else.. Kwint owes EBANK about 3 Billion ISK.. EBANK doesn't owe Kwint anything. Kwint did what he did in the name of the betterment for EBANK customers. Yet doing what he did, he denied those very people he was fighting for, 3 Billion ISK. He kept that ISK, and EBANK customers will never see it. Context of an opinion must be considered, when I view EBANK and Kwint and their actions, they are the same on a grand scale, but the reasoning behind why, in my eyes, Kwint is a scammer and EBANK is not is all in the context. From EBANK's perspective looking at Kwint and his actions against EBANK, Kwint is a scammer. From Kwint's perspective looking at EBANK and EBANK's actions against Kwint, how can Kwint call EBANK a scam? EBANK honored it obligations to Kwint. From anyone looking from both perspectives looking at all actions taken by both, both are the same. <-- This is the point I was making when I posted that statement above. From anyone looking from both perspectives looking at each's actions to each other..... Kwint owes EBANK 3 Billion ISK. <-- This is point I stand behind. Forget the intentions, forget the amounts, forget the people, look at just the actions EBANK did to/for Kwint, and the actions Kwint did to/for EBANK. This is why, in my eyes, Kwint is a scammer.. Yet on a grand scale both are no better then the other at this very moment in time. The very second EBANK pays dividends though, they are NOT the same. And all you're left with is, Kwint has obligations to EBANK.. Amarr for Life
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:57:00 - [548] ..So what you're saying is, if you look at only specific instances, and under a microscope, you can infer just about anything! Quick! Someone get President Obama on the phone and tell him! Plus maybe you should consider the reasoning behind Kwint's actions was in part to the way EBANK and Co. were handling the totality of the situation. So you can't view his actions just from under the EBANK >> Kwint relations.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.15 00:06:00 - [549] Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..So what you're saying is, if you look at only specific instances, and under a microscope, you can infer just about anything! Quick! Someone get President Obama on the phone and tell him! Plus maybe you should consider the reasoning behind Kwint's actions was in part to the way EBANK and Co. were handling the totality of the situation. So you can't view his actions just from under the EBANK >> Kwint relations. Anyone can justify everything using anything. Congrats.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.15 00:09:00 - [550] ..Maybe from a PR perspective, if EBANK and Co. care about that sort of thing (lolrite?!), you shouldn't post any more about EBANK's public policies and reasoning behind their actions. You seem to make numerous gaffes and end up having to appologise and make corrections. Notice how many corrections of my posts I've EVER had to make. None. And that comes precisely from me working from a sound and solid philosophical plantform and not from an emotional reactive platform. What I say I mean and my intentions are to convey my thoughts. Not to pacify the public and justify arbitrary actions. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy pointing our your illogical statements. So keep em' comin'!

Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.15 00:13:00 - [551] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..So what you're saying is, if you look at only specific instances, and under a microscope, you can infer just about anything! Quick! Someone get President Obama on the phone and tell him! Plus maybe you should consider the reasoning behind Kwint's actions was in part to the way EBANK and Co. were handling the totality of the situation. So you can't view his actions just from under the EBANK >> Kwint relations. Anyone can justify everything using anything. Congrats. .."So give me your full APIs, insure your ships with my company, and just be happy that a board of elites take the time to interact with your pathetic existience! You'll get your isk with NO interest and you'll be happy about it! And for God's sake stop asking those pesky questions!"
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.15 02:46:00 - [552] Originally by: Syds Sinclair Notice how many corrections of my posts I've EVER had to make. None. Well of course you don't have to make clarifications to your posts. No one is deliberately reposting your words in the incorrect context, and insinuating they mean something else. I've at least kept the same opinion and position and mealy expanded on my previous posts. You can call that whatever you like, far be it for me to deny you the pleasure you obviously take in self deluded perception others can't see the stunts you pull so blatantly. The problem with that delusion is, people do, they are just to nice to say anything. Enjoy the fantasy, oh who am I kidding, you're just a reply button away from maintaining that delusion and post something new and insightful! Amarr for Life
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.04.15 03:58:00 - [553] Why do you keep talking? Please just stop. ______________________________
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.15 04:43:00 - [554] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Why do you keep talking? Please just stop. And ignore direct questions.. How rude.. You caused this post Selene, not me, You... You have only yourself to blame. Amarr for Life
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.15 06:57:00 - [555] Originally by: SencneS I've at least kept the same opinion and position that's the issue.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.15 19:52:00 - [556] Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Originally by: SencneS I've at least kept the same opinion and position That's the issue. Then we're all to blame. I see those people who support Kwint's actions haven't changed their minds either. I would put this down to, neither side has come up with a significant argument to change either sides minds. My opinion can change on one condition.. Kwint return 3 Billion to EBANK. That's all it takes for me.. I'd bet ISK if EBANK wasn't in the mix people would be clawing at Kwint and trolling him, not the other entity. People LOOOOVEEEE to hate, and if EBANK's involved in anyway they will bend over backwards and argue with full force against EBANK. Being blinded by contempt for EBANK doesn't make what Kwint did, right. Evidence of this is all over the last few pages, people despise EBANK so much they are actually condoning scamming. Amarr for Life
Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:36:00 - [557] Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 15/04/2011 20:37:15 Originally by: SencneS Evidence of this is all over the last few pages, people despise EBANK so much they are actually condoning scamming. Seriously Sencnes I am beginning to think you aren't too bright. It is precisely your continued assertion that Kwint scammed that is making people argue against you. Why don't you do the rest of us a favour and stop posting on this matter? edit - and for the record: Originally by: Ray McCormack In Kwint's position, I would have done the same thing.
rsol Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.15 22:34:00 - [558] ive been reading all this over the years and id have to say......... Ray is NOT the person you should be blaming. HE came in to sort out all this mess when noone else would. it saddens me that after the real scammer who took huge amounts is forgotten (Ricdic) the guy who did loads of bad loans and his cohorts in evebank at the time. All I, as an investor, want to hear is reports from the staff about where they are in the proceedings. The rest of you pions could be making your money back with the amount of time spent whining about losing out on a RISKY VENTURE. investments CAN go down you know...welcome to commerce. Whoever is doing the shares please get to the R's as soon as you can so i dont have to trawl through all this bile....
Krythas	Posted - 2011.04.16 00:55:00 - [559] How does "trawling through the bile" make any difference as to whether you get shares or not ?
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.04.16 03:32:00 - [560] Originally by: rsol Ray is NOT the person you should be blaming... Except he dragged the whole thing out two years longer than it needed to be in an attempt to stroke his spaceship ego, but ya, besides that, he's a hero...

SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.16 05:37:00 - [561] Originally by: Khanid Voltar ..and for the record: Originally by: Ray McCormack In Kwint's position, I would have done the same thing. I want to congratulate you on doing something no one else had done. This is not a troll, but this made me look at something I hadn't considered. This whole time I've been looking at the situation from complete isolation, the actions and the effects on each person's actions and drawing a conclusion totally focused on the raw actions with little regard for personal connection and their viewpoint. I've been focused on detaching myself from Ray's and Kwint's views because in arbitration you can't take the either side to determine what is the best outcome. Each person who reads and has been reading all these posts, I'm sorry, I've been viewing it from arbitration. Below is a real non-bias finalized actions based on if I was either Ray or Kwint. As Ray:- Having a 5 Billion ISK investment that was paying dividend all of a sudden stop paying dividends just to me, I would try an offload that investment to someone else. I certainly wouldn't want to keep that 5 Billion investment, also knowing that liquidation is a possibility I would't give it a second though on selling those bonds. Then being denied selling them, I would do exactly the same action, clear the account, removing my liability to that person, at least up until the point their debt to me is satisfied. While I would be more tactful, Ray's actions mirror my own. As Kwint:- Having paid out interest for months but not getting the interest I am due on my investment I would indeed stop payment to that entity. Now hearing that the entity will sell my bonds, removing the leverage I am applying to them would irritate me. However, this is where Kwint's and my own actions would differ. I would allowed the sales of those bonds. Not because I'm trying to make point here but because it solves the issue I have with me paying someone who is not paying me. I have no issue paying the bond's dividend, but I hate the idea of me paying someone, that is owing me interest. End of issue. Extension - If Ray didn't say he was going to sell the bonds, I would have continued my leverage by allocating EBANK's part of the interest on the bond to the rest of the Bond holders, so they get the allocation, kind of like a Bonus. Yes, an asshat move, but I can easily justify it. Extension II - If I chose to deny Ray selling the bond because I was furious over the loophole, and in turn Ray removed my account balance, and only asked for the different to be paid, I would have paid it. The reason I would pay the 3 Billion is because I recognize one important thing. I'm dead serious here, I'm not trying to prove my argument. Deep down inside, I would have zero justification for keeping that 3 Billion, I can justify denying EBANK that three billion, but I fully recognize that ISK doesn't belong to me, it belongs to the EBANK customers. However in true capitalist fashion I can justify one thing.. The amount of lost interest I would of had. I would have issued EBANK just - 2,627,008,811.08 ISK. -------- On reflection, looking at what actions I would take, I am very comfortable with the outcome, it's actually funny that it would never have gone as far as it did. I would have let EBANK sell those bonds removing the initial issue I had with paying them. I certainly wouldn't have closed out my Bond and liquidated. I guess everyone has a point in which what they can justify. Clearly mine is based around "only what is rightfully mine within the initial contract" So my opinion now is, Kwint doesn't owe EBANK 3 Billion, just 2.627B. Is he a scammer? I'm really sorry to say, in my eyes he still is. I personally can't justify his final action, and I know right now people are thinking this whole post was a load of bull. Thank you Khanid Voltar for showing me the one thing I never considered. It's unfortunate that I feel people will call Bull****, but for me I've come accustomed to it. Amarr for Life
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.16 06:43:00 - [562] Originally by: Roguehalo Amarr's just Rays gopher........ AC, I would totally stick my hand up you and put on puppet shows for the children. Not necessarily at the same time. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
trance atlas	Posted - 2011.04.16 11:29:00 - [563] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Roguehalo Amarr's just Rays gopher........ AC, I would totally stick my hand up you and put on puppet shows for the children. Not necessarily at the same time. do you own sock puppets?
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.04.16 12:34:00 - [564] Every time I get back to MD, I'm still amazed this thread is around. Can anyone (very slowly) explain to my non-market-guru mind why it would possibly take more than a year to liquidate any number of assets in EVE?
Riley Moore Sentinum Research	Posted - 2011.04.16 12:54:00 - [565] Can anyone sent me a Ebank share. I'd love to have one :P I collect funky shares. Got a few other ones and most noticably, 125! H3RP3S shares still
Orion GUardian Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.16 13:12:00 - [566] You want one share? when I get mine and you give me 1m ISK I'll give you an ebank share
Malonical	Posted - 2011.04.16 17:52:00 - [567] Originally by: Loraine Gess Every time I get back to MD, I'm still amazed this thread is around. Can anyone (very slowly) explain to my non-market-guru mind why it would possibly take more than a year to liquidate any number of assets in EVE? No market explanation required: 1. RL 2. What's their actual motivation to liquidate at this point? Is it so people stop complaining? Not really a motivator in my opinion. 3. If you were sitting on a pile of money that you weren't required to give back, what would you do? (and just for the record, I don't believe EBank is "scamming" us with this liquidation. I think we will get part of our money back eventually.) 4. RL
Jasdemi	Posted - 2011.04.16 20:15:00 - [568] What Malonical said. I personally would've kept the money.
Mikahl Gallente Cy Corp The Haven Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.17 00:12:00 - [569] Have you guys got to M yet? :D
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.18 01:03:00 - [570] ..I've taken some time to consider this discussion and the people involved. I also received some expert advice and perspective from a great source. SencneS, you and I are campaigning from platforms that are light years apart. Like the Hatfields and Mccoys, only with less moonshine and more Quafe. Because of our divided stations and positions in this matter, (BoD / investors, outsiders), this debate might be able to come to an equilibrium, but will never be on the same page. An impasse has been reached, and then beat with a dead cat. You believe that the choices that were made and the actions that have and are taking place are the correct ones. Thus being taken thru the wringer while toiling away at tedious and unrewarding efforts in the name of doing what you think is right must be a nightmare. That being said, let me express a few musings that I have yet to. My posts weren't designed with the intentions of attacking you personally, they were aimed at "EBANK past, present, future, and the BoD." I just happened to take advantage of, and for granted that, you, SencneS, not Ray, not Ric, not AC or any one else are the individual who has willingly stepped out into the firing range, fielded the assault, and tried to provide insight from your side of the street. That aspect is commendable. This is illustrated perfectly in post # 559 where you offered an introspected analysis of a contentious topic. I've been struggling with whether or not I should include my main points of contention with EBANK which, I think, are at worst viable and at best paramount to the resentment directed twords the BoD. A few actions that, to me, are the catalysts. Furthermore, to have a clearer and more concise group of topics to debate from, and also to show that my intentions are not to troll or take posts out of context. I've decided not to post them here. If it interests you to know, I can provide them to you via Evemail. In closing, I hope no hard feelings were derived from this debate.

Arrogant Bustard	Posted - 2011.04.18 10:50:00 - [571] I'm finding it amazing that in a failure that involves a couple of trillion isk, so much effort and discussion is being put into a transaction that cost the bank 3 billion. What am I missing here?
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.18 10:55:00 - [572] Originally by: Arrogant Bustard What am I missing here? A face! Truly a case of trying to close the barn door after the horse have left. Of course the action is not totally futile or without reason, you close the barn door if have some horses left. But seriously, if this level of effort had been made prior to implosion the bank might not have failed. If each billion had been treated with respect and diligence, the trillion(s) would have done quite well. Thus it is reasonable that even three (3) billion should get this much attention. If you disagree, take up Sencnes offer: Pay off the three (3) billion debt instead of trolling. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.04.18 16:33:00 - [573] Edited by: RAW23 on 18/04/2011 16:34:52 The issue here is being obscured somewhat by all the focus on Kwint. The current problem is the board's decision to zero account balances for all members of an alliance from which some members scammed EBANK, with justifications ranging from 'guilt by association' (SencneS - since you signed off on this one then you should probably absolve Kwint) to 'because we can' (which is really just a gloss on the guilt by association reason).
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.18 16:49:00 - [574] Wait until you find out that we zeroed the account balances of everyone that is a member of a defaulter's corporation, then you'll really get sand in your vagina. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.04.18 17:03:00 - [575] Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 18/04/2011 16:34:52 The issue here is being obscured somewhat by all the focus on Kwint. The current problem is the board's decision to zero account balances for all members of an alliance from which some members scammed EBANK, with justifications ranging from 'guilt by association' (SencneS - since you signed off on this one then you should probably absolve Kwint) to 'because we can' (which is really just a gloss on the guilt by association reason). if you look at the actual actions taken (and not at the fluffy words, fictional "account balances" and worthless "shares"), you'll see that EBANK has been treating everyone equally so far.
Brock Nelson Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.	Posted - 2011.04.18 17:13:00 - [576] RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Investor Relation \| IPO Doc \| BSACSE Listing
Brock Nelson Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.	Posted - 2011.04.18 17:22:00 - [577] I remember Kwint's post like it was yesterday. whatever happened to that guy? Investor Relation \| IPO Doc \| BSACSE Listing
RAW23	Posted - 2011.04.18 17:45:00 - [578] Originally by: Ray McCormack Wait until you find out that we zeroed the account balances of everyone that is a member of a defaulter's corporation, then you'll really get upset. I sort of assumed that would be the case. How are you working that out? A member now, a member at the time of the default, a member at some point, or some combination? Just corps or alliances as well?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.18 18:00:00 - [579] Originally by: Ray McCormack Wait until you find out that we zeroed the account balances of everyone that is a member of a defaulter's corporation, then you'll really get upset. I preferred my original post, it was more appropriate to the nature of the drama. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.18 18:31:00 - [580] Originally by: Ray McCormack I preferred my original post, it was more appropriate to the nature of the drama. But it was also trolling, ignorant, and obnoxiously sexist regardless of your pointless drama. Seems you like the drama though, gives you a chance to live up to all that your previous post contained. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.18 18:53:00 - [581] Your point being (I presume you have one)? I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.18 20:07:00 - [582] tldr; We're sorry that things worked out like they did and that we aren't internet spaceship bank liquidation experts. If we could go back and change things we would but we can't. Please feel free to continue you're debate. There is no Kwint issue, there might have been but that was a long time ago. No clue why people are still chatting about that one especially since there's far too many "he said she said" as well as conversations NOT carried out on the forums. There is no EBANK Board of Directors and hasn't been for a long time. There is simply a couple of idiots who should have donated all the isk to Chribba a long time ago but instead chose to see it out. These guys are obviously nuts. There's also a third idiot that continues to fight the forum war, this role is his choice and not one that was assigned to him. So yeah, just a bunch of idiots. If you were in a corp or alliance at the time that the corp or alliance defaulted/scammed (and you are still in that corp/alliance), then sadly there is no way of knowing for sure if you are an alt of an asshat or simply in the wrong corp/alliance at the wrong time. You guys can debate that if you want but it is what it is and it isn't changing. Aside from potentially giving isk to individuals that have already stolen billions, this was really the only option. The plan is to finish handing out the rest of the shares in the next week and then start payouts. No I don't have a date for you and I don't have any written policy or any other nonsense. EBANK is dead and has been for a long time. I just hope everyone can eventually move past this. I feel like everyone should know this information already but at the same time I read some of your replies and it seems like there are a few individuals who think ebank is still alive... it isn't. As far as mistakes made, sure there have been a ton of things that could and should have been done differently. Sadly, the last time I checked Brock had not yet perfected his time machine therefore we can't go back and change the past.
Scramilton Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:29:00 - [583] guess you guys haven't gotten to the "S"s yet...been patiently waiting for my 3.7 bil or whatever's left of it. I appreciate everyone's efforts.
Brock Nelson Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.	Posted - 2011.04.19 04:21:00 - [584] [04:17:21] EBANK Amarr155 > but what i meant is im done handing out shares [04:18:05] EBANK Amarr155 > its just too bad that Ray' slow ass isnt done [04:18:22] Brock Nelson > ray cares? [04:19:22] EBANK Amarr155 > you should post giving him ** in the ebank thread Too lazy to start giving Ray some ** so I just posted the convo Investor Relation \| IPO Doc \| BSACSE Listing
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.19 05:12:00 - [585] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 you're debate. your I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.04.19 09:22:00 - [586] Edited by: RAW23 on 19/04/2011 09:23:45 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 tldr; We're sorry that things worked out like they did and that we aren't internet spaceship bank liquidation experts. If we could go back and change things we would but we can't. Please feel free to continue you're debate. ... I feel like everyone should know this information already but at the same time I read some of your replies and it seems like there are a few individuals who think ebank is still alive... it isn't. As far as mistakes made, sure there have been a ton of things that could and should have been done differently. Sadly, the last time I checked Brock had not yet perfected his time machine therefore we can't go back and change the past. The thing is, you acknowledge making mistakes and say you would go back and change them if you could but you then go on following exactly the same patterns of behaviour that led to those mistakes in the first place. Quote: If you were in a corp or alliance at the time that the corp or alliance defaulted/scammed (and you are still in that corp/alliance), then sadly there is no way of knowing for sure if you are an alt of an asshat or simply in the wrong corp/alliance at the wrong time. You guys can debate that if you want but it is what it is and it isn't changing. Aside from potentially giving isk to individuals that have already stolen billions, this was really the only option. No debate, no discussion, no honest attempt to check, balance or improve your own ideas or to engage in constructive dialogue. The 'mistakes were made but let's move past that' line doesn't wash when you continue to act like this. And frankly, the idea that you would rather deprive completely innocent people of their isk than allow a defaulter to get their hands on some (better 100 innocent people should hang than one guilty one go free, right?) seems like the application of Ray's perverse 'troll the customers' forum attitude to actual policy, especially after all the rigmarole about the submission of API keys precisely so you could avoid paying out to defaulters.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2011.04.19 09:34:00 - [587] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 So yeah, just a bunch of idiots. Thou shall not meddle with idiots. It says right there, in the Bible, Luke 23:34. Unless you exploit them, of course. Black Sun Empire
mine4ever	Posted - 2011.04.19 10:25:00 - [588] Ive received my share so thanks Ray, stupid question but what now do i do with them no i have them, will i get a income from them or can i sell them on ? ive never had shares before
Zcorm Narwar	Posted - 2011.04.19 10:37:00 - [589] Originally by: mine4ever Ive received my share so thanks Ray, stupid question but what now do i do with them no i have them, will i get a income from them or can i sell them on ? ive never had shares before All shares can be sent to me (Zcorm Narwar) and I will then proceed to turn them into isk for your convenience.
mine4ever	Posted - 2011.04.19 10:49:00 - [590] Originally by: Zcorm Narwar Originally by: mine4ever Ive received my share so thanks Ray, stupid question but what now do i do with them no i have them, will i get a income from them or can i sell them on ? ive never had shares before All shares can be sent to me (Zcorm Narwar) and I will then proceed to turn them into isk for your convenience. :)

Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.19 15:27:00 - [591] Originally by: RAW23 The thing is, you acknowledge making mistakes and say you would go back and change them if you could but you then go on following exactly the same patterns of behaviour that led to those mistakes in the first place. Umm, I think we might be talking about different mistakes because the ones I'm talking about could only be repeated if we restarted this whole process. Originally by: RAW23 No debate, no discussion, no honest attempt to check, balance or improve your own ideas or to engage in constructive dialogue. The 'mistakes were made but let's move past that' line doesn't wash when you continue to act like this. And frankly, the idea that you would rather deprive completely innocent people of their isk than allow a defaulter to get their hands on some (better 100 innocent people should hang than one guilty one go free, right?) seems like the application of Ray's perverse 'troll the customers' forum attitude to actual policy, especially after all the rigmarole about the submission of API keys precisely so you could avoid paying out to defaulters. There's no need to do anymore debating, discussing, checking, balancing, or improving at this point. It's over. It's done. There is no EBANK organization. The shares have nearly all been handed out and the next step is to send out isk. What exactly are you wanting us to go back and do? How about you get off your "greater than thou" high horse of perfection and tell me exactly what it is you think we need to go back and redo. You're no better than any of the other trolls at this point and I think you simply like to see your own text (hear yourself talk). Prove me wrong. Tell me wtf you want me to do over. If you want to continue to point out **** that is over and done with and can't be undone then go ahead. You can join the ranks of all the other guys who like to continue to point out the obvious and claim that it's some new refreshing point of view.
Roguehalo Caldari Roguehalo Ship Brokers	Posted - 2011.04.19 15:56:00 - [592] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: RAW23 The thing is, you acknowledge making mistakes and say you would go back and change them if you could but you then go on following exactly the same patterns of behaviour that led to those mistakes in the first place. Umm, I think we might be talking about different mistakes because the ones I'm talking about could only be repeated if we restarted this whole process. Originally by: RAW23 No debate, no discussion, no honest attempt to check, balance or improve your own ideas or to engage in constructive dialogue. The 'mistakes were made but let's move past that' line doesn't wash when you continue to act like this. And frankly, the idea that you would rather deprive completely innocent people of their isk than allow a defaulter to get their hands on some (better 100 innocent people should hang than one guilty one go free, right?) seems like the application of Ray's perverse 'troll the customers' forum attitude to actual policy, especially after all the rigmarole about the submission of API keys precisely so you could avoid paying out to defaulters. There's no need to do anymore debating, discussing, checking, balancing, or improving at this point. It's over. It's done. There is no EBANK organization. The shares have nearly all been handed out and the next step is to send out isk. What exactly are you wanting us to go back and do? How about you get off your "greater than thou" high horse of perfection and tell me exactly what it is you think we need to go back and redo. You're no better than any of the other trolls at this point and I think you simply like to see your own text (hear yourself talk). Prove me wrong. Tell me wtf you want me to do over. If you want to continue to point out **** that is over and done with and can't be undone then go ahead. You can join the ranks of all the other guys who like to continue to point out the obvious and claim that it's some new refreshing point of view. All you gotta do m8 is gopher this gopher that and gopher the other
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.19 15:56:00 - [593] We could also braid each others' hair, how ****ing fun would that be!? I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Brock Nelson Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.	Posted - 2011.04.19 16:10:00 - [594] Sweet! I'll bring hot chocolates! Investor Relation \| IPO Doc \| BSACSE Listing
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.04.19 16:33:00 - [595] Yes, this is over. Finally. Thankfully. Maybe when Ray and AC155 start their internet spaceship bank liquidation service we can question their professional credentials, but for now this **** is over. Hallelujah.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.04.19 16:36:00 - [596] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 There's no need to do anymore debating, discussing, checking, balancing, or improving at this point. It's over. It's done. ... What exactly are you wanting us to go back and do? How about you get off your "greater than thou" high horse of perfection and tell me exactly what it is you think we need to go back and redo. You're no better than any of the other trolls at this point and I think you simply like to see your own text (hear yourself talk). You ask me what I think you should go back and redo whilst at the same time saying everything is over and done. The only suggestion I'm making at this point is the rather radical idea of honouring your obligations and not screwing over everyone who has been in the same alliance as a defaulter.
Florestan Bronstein	Posted - 2011.04.19 16:54:00 - [597] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 19/04/2011 16:55:07 Originally by: Ray McCormack We could also braid each others' hair, how **ing fun would that be!? excellent idea Quote:** for they have a custom which is as follows;--whenever they are about to put their lives in peril, then they attend to the arrangement of their hair. (long hair is somewhat impractical in battle and braiding it tightly did supposedly give some additional protection to the head)
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.19 17:21:00 - [598] Originally by: RAW23 You ask me what I think you should go back and redo whilst at the same time saying everything is over and done. Wait, are you for real or are you really just that ****ing stupid? Never mind, I know the answer... I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.04.19 17:36:00 - [599] Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 19/04/2011 16:56:21 Originally by: Ray McCormack We could also braid each others' hair, how **ing fun would that be!? excellent idea Originally by:** Demaratos for they have a custom which is as follows;--whenever they are about to put their lives in peril, then they attend to the arrangement of their hair. (long hair is somewhat impractical in battle and braiding it tightly did supposedly give some additional protection to the head) Ah! Ray is on a Greek trip. That explains a lot. Originally by: Thucydides The Athenians to the Melians: Well, then, we Athenians will use no flue words; we will not go out of our way to prove at length that we have a right to rule, because we overthrew the Persians; or that we attack you now because we are suffering any injury at your hands. We should not convince you if we did; nor must you expect to convince us by arguing that, although a colony of the Lacedaemonians, you have taken no part in their expeditions, or that you have never done us any wrong. But you and we should say what we really think, and aim only at what is possible, for we both alike know that into the discussion of human affairs the question of justice only enters where the pressure of necessity is equal, and that the powerful exact what they can, and the weak grant what they must. ... The Melians refused the Athenian demand to surrender and eventually their city fell. ... The Athenians thereupon put to death all who were of military age, and made slaves of the women and children. They then colonised the island, sending thither 500 settlers of their own.
trance atlas	Posted - 2011.04.19 21:02:00 - [600] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 19/04/2011 16:56:21 Originally by: Ray McCormack We could also braid each others' hair, how **ing fun would that be!? excellent idea Originally by:** Demaratos for they have a custom which is as follows;--whenever they are about to put their lives in peril, then they attend to the arrangement of their hair. (long hair is somewhat impractical in battle and braiding it tightly did supposedly give some additional protection to the head) Ah! Ray is on a Greek trip. That explains a lot. Originally by: Thucydides The Athenians to the Melians: Well, then, we Athenians will use no flue words; we will not go out of our way to prove at length that we have a right to rule, because we overthrew the Persians; or that we attack you now because we are suffering any injury at your hands. We should not convince you if we did; nor must you expect to convince us by arguing that, although a colony of the Lacedaemonians, you have taken no part in their expeditions, or that you have never done us any wrong. But you and we should say what we really think, and aim only at what is possible, for we both alike know that into the discussion of human affairs the question of justice only enters where the pressure of necessity is equal, and that the powerful exact what they can, and the weak grant what they must. ... The Melians refused the Athenian demand to surrender and eventually their city fell. ... The Athenians thereupon put to death all who were of military age, and made slaves of the women and children. They then colonised the island, sending thither 500 settlers of their own. 2 history lessons in 1 thread :swoon: my hivemind is about to explode

Rada Ionesco Caldari Royal Enterprise	Posted - 2011.04.20 09:00:00 - [601] Oh the non stop comedy of watching Ray try to answer questions on E-Bank's demise. Please never shut it down so we never have to lose this gem of a thread. :)
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.20 09:58:00 - [602] Originally by: Rada Ionesco Oh the non stop comedy of watching Ray try to answer questions on E-Bank's demise. I fail to see where I have tried in any way to answer any questions put forward, I would in fact state the opposite. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
MacGillivray84	Posted - 2011.04.21 02:17:00 - [603] Just out of curiosity, are shares still being distributed? My account states my net cash balance, but no word on shares. It's been an incredibly long process since the initial announcement was made, and I was hoping for a status update.
Brock Nelson Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.	Posted - 2011.04.21 02:49:00 - [604] Guess you can't be bothered to click on page 20 and read AC's latest post regarding shares. Investor Relation \| IPO Doc \| BSACSE Listing
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.21 02:55:00 - [605] Originally by: Brock Nelson Guess you can't be bothered to click on page 20 and read AC's latest post regarding shares. ..I know! Stupid shareholders. You need to jump through much more hoops to get your ISK. Until then, EBANK will donate your ISK to VV and pocket the rest.
Malonical	Posted - 2011.04.21 19:39:00 - [606] Originally by: MacGillivray84 Just out of curiosity, are shares still being distributed? My account states my net cash balance, but no word on shares. It's been an incredibly long process since the initial announcement was made, and I was hoping for a status update. I can confirm that they did get to M... I got my shares. Check your wallet, cause Eve doesn't send any type notification when you do receive shares. Anyone selling shares? Buying for 200k/share.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.04.22 01:17:00 - [607] The only reason I visited the forums today was to read AC and Ray's posts since I haven't really read the forums this week. Just sayin'. ______________________________
Katashi Ishizuka Caldari Tritanium Workers Union	Posted - 2011.04.22 15:39:00 - [608] My lack of faith got me bumped to the bottom of the distribution list apparently, so when I get shares I'll post and if you see me saying I got shares and you haven't, it either means you get none or you ****ed someone off
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.24 09:43:00 - [609] I went to the supermarket yesterday and ended up paying cash after my card wouldn't go through because my bank was offline. However I noticed this morning on online banking that the charge had gone through. So I returned to said supermarket only to be told I had to wait 24 hours and then provide my bank statement as proof that the charge hadn't been reversed. Now who do these bastards think they are making me jump through hoops to get my own money back? I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Raan Kor Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.24 15:34:00 - [610] See, if you shopped at a Walmart Superstore , all your monies would be accounted for! Huh? I dunno..... Hitting the "R's" anytime soon Ray? Thanks m8 Fly Smart

Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.04.24 16:23:00 - [611] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste The only reason I visited the forums today was to read AC and Ray's posts since I haven't really read the forums this week. Just sayin'. I thought you came on here just to visit me.
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.04.24 16:48:00 - [612] lolololol your real bank sucks as badly as your spacebank roffle roffle roffle
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2011.04.24 19:18:00 - [613] Definitely distribute all shares, then scam. Black Sun Empire
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.04.24 21:13:00 - [614] Posted September 19, 2010 Originally by: Ray McCormack Dividends will start sooner than December. Can I ask what year?
Shadow Lightbringer Nightghosts Inc	Posted - 2011.04.25 00:37:00 - [615] Logged in this morning and saw I received my shares. Thanks Ray.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.25 01:06:00 - [616] Originally by: Ray McCormack I went to the supermarket yesterday and ended up paying cash after my card wouldn't go through because my bank was offline. However I noticed this morning on online banking that the charge had gone through. So I returned to said supermarket only to be told I had to wait 24 hours and then provide my bank statement as proof that the charge hadn't been reversed. Now who do these bastards think they are making me jump through hoops to get my own money back? ..Ah, ok. Anecdotes that vaguely resemble what your doing make the whole EBANK fiasco all better. But why stop with the analogys and similarities of Internet spaceship banking and Grocery stores ? Maybe for your next offer you should emulate ENRON.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.25 08:38:00 - [617] The share distribution has been completed. If you have not received any shares and believe you should have, please contact myself or AC155, you have until 30 April 2011 to lodge a complaint. We have at least 1,297 shares leftover, these will be auctioned off to the highest bidder, expect a thread in the next few days. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Alexander Nergal Three Pony	Posted - 2011.04.25 08:48:00 - [618] Originally by: Syds Sinclair pointless trolling This got old awhile ago, do you have nothing better to do? Thread is for ebank investors/former staff everyone else GTFO.
Johnny Ringo Stargazer Exploration Company Transmission Lost	Posted - 2011.04.25 10:36:00 - [619] Originally by: Ray McCormack The share distribution has been completed. If you have not received any shares and believe you should have, please contact myself or AC155, you have until 30 April 2011 to lodge a complaint. We have at least 1,297 shares leftover, these will be auctioned off to the highest bidder, expect a thread in the next few days. Why? Presumably no one would buy the shares for more than they are worth, so the amount of money returned to the bank and distributed to the shareholders would not cover the extra payout, diminishing the value of everyones' shares. Why not just write them off and begin the payouts?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.25 12:38:00 - [620] Originally by: Johnny Ringo Why? I'm glad you asked (not really, but I'm told it pays to be polite). We cannot un-create the shares, or write them off as you suggest. I suppose we could leave them in the corp wallet, and just re-issue the dividends they receive again and again until there is nothing left, but that would be a pain and the potential loss of up 1.2b ISK in dividends is negligible (in my eyes, and they're the only soulful green eyes that matter). I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.

Marcus Baltar Savaran Zhayedan Spah	Posted - 2011.04.25 13:30:00 - [621] Originally by: Ray McCormack The share distribution has been completed. If you have not received any shares and believe you should have, please contact myself or AC155, you have until 30 April 2011 to lodge a complaint. We have at least 1,297 shares leftover, these will be auctioned off to the highest bidder, expect a thread in the next few days. Why do you have shares left over? I thought it was taking this long because you were only creating enough shares to give to those who had jumped through your hoops and you liked the look of. If you are going to auction these "at least" 1,297 shares then that means that if anyone has a complaint they will almost certainly not get a resolution they agree with. Also, you mean there could be more? - How? If you have given all but these "leftovers" out unless you create more. BTW - I got my shares. I will offer 1 ISK for all the remaining shares in total. Afterall, you have not said how much EBANK will be distributing or over how many shares (post a link if I missed it, please). I also have not mentioned independent verification/audit of all the EBANK assets --
Johnny Ringo Stargazer Exploration Company Transmission Lost	Posted - 2011.04.25 13:57:00 - [622] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Johnny Ringo Why? I'm glad you asked (not really, but I'm told it pays to be polite). We cannot un-create the shares, or write them off as you suggest. I suppose we could leave them in the corp wallet, and just re-issue the dividends they receive again and again until there is nothing left, but that would be a pain and the potential loss of up 1.2b ISK in dividends is negligible (in my eyes, and they're the only soulful green eyes that matter). Game mechanics. Gotcha. But I do share the above poster's question; how did you have some left over? Rounding errors?
egola Amarr	Posted - 2011.04.25 14:04:00 - [623] 1.1 isk! most of the proceeds'll go to charity!
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.04.25 14:15:00 - [624] 2 isk
Katashi Ishizuka Caldari Tritanium Workers Union	Posted - 2011.04.25 14:21:00 - [625] My doubts are shattered! I've received my shares, thanks brotatoe.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.25 14:22:00 - [626] Originally by: Johnny Ringo how did you have some left over? During the distribution process we: Came across characters linked to defaulters that hadn't been picked up before. Came across characters that didn't exist. There may be more available (455 to be exact) depending on whether or not the one character that received a double transfer returns the extra shares. If someone approaches us with a legitimate complaint before next week, we can either issue a new vote to create more shares or alternatively and more likely just pay them out with ISK. It's hardly the end of the world, although of course the chances of us acquiescing to such a complaint are slim to none considering how unreasonably stubborn we are about being proven wrong. Rough median estimate of 650b to be paid out in dividends to 1,357,697 shares, 478k per share. If you work on a definite minimum payout of 600b and a potential of 700b you can price the shares accordingly. I wouldn't pay more than 441k per share, however I might gamble on a 10% increase on that price as dividends are paid out over the next month or so. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.25 16:03:00 - [627] Originally by: Ray McCormack Rough median estimate of 650b to be paid out in dividends to 1,357,697 shares, 478k per share. If you work on a definite minimum payout of 600b and a potential of 700b you can price the shares accordingly. I wouldn't pay more than 441k per share, however I might gamble on a 10% increase on that price as dividends are paid out over the next month or so. I forgot to include the bank owned characters and some ISK sitting on non-bank wallets, the revised total will see at least 650b paid out in dividends. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Zaepho Gallente Phoenix Propulsion Labs Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2011.04.26 19:22:00 - [628] OK so I was API verified, then I wasn't, then I was again, and then there was a transaction that wiped my account balance, a few back and forths in this thread, then silence. It's only 422mil but ISK is ISK. Getting my share of whatever is liquidated would be nice. Thanks!
Raan Kor Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.29 06:13:00 - [629] Shares Recieved ... Thanks Ray and all involved Fly Smart.
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2011.04.29 12:41:00 - [630] Originally by: Ray McCormack I forgot to include the bank owned characters and some ISK sitting on non-bank wallets, the revised total will see at least 650b paid out in dividends. I propose that this be a new unit of wealth measurement: 1 EBank = 650 billion isk as in: "My personal NAV is something over half an EBank."

Jack Calypo	Posted - 2011.05.01 17:44:00 - [631] Ok I got the shares and what now?
Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.05.01 17:48:00 - [632] Originally by: Jack Calypo Ok I got the shares and what now? Learn to read I guess. I'll give you a hint, check out Ray's posts on this page.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.05.01 18:04:00 - [633] Originally by: Khanid Voltar Originally by: Jack Calypo Ok I got the shares and what now? Learn to read I guess. I'll give you a hint, check out Ray's posts on this page. With the 20 or so pages here berating people for being stupid enough to invest in ebank did you really think you need to add insult to injury? MD is really full of obnoxious people. -- Originally by: CCP Elais It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
LiNuXb0y Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2011.05.04 18:13:00 - [634] Soooo I haz my shares \o/ whens the payout going to be? Surely everything is done?
DenShou Aliastra	Posted - 2011.05.04 20:32:00 - [635] it's been a long wait, but.... I GOTS PAID ~ Faith can move mountains.... of Inventory - Rule #104 Ferengi Rules of Acquisition
Mike'P	Posted - 2011.05.04 20:51:00 - [636] I'll also confirm receiving some ISK via issued shares. Most amusing is the share payout eve-mail which says :- Eve-Tech Savings n Loans may have credited your account as part of a total payout of 2.5e+11 ISK to their shareholders.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.05.04 22:03:00 - [637] History in the making! ______________________________
Kalorned Minmatar Psychedelic Llamas	Posted - 2011.05.04 22:06:00 - [638] Confirming I received about 20% of my original balance back in dividends - not too shabby considering I had written it off long ago as long gone :D
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.05 00:40:00 - [639] Two dividend payments were made today totalling 300 billion isk. PLEASE DO NOT GET RID OF YOUR SHARES There will be more dividend payments over the course of the next several weeks. If you sell/trade/give away your shares you will not receive any future dividends so do so at your own risk. /finger
Crazy Kalibanov Gallente Grey Templars	Posted - 2011.05.05 02:35:00 - [640] If nobody has said this yet ... your efforts towards recovering isk for people who had isk invested in eve-bank are appreciated.

Alexander Nergal Three Pony	Posted - 2011.05.05 04:13:00 - [641] Originally by: Crazy Kalibanov If nobody has said this yet ... your efforts towards recovering isk for people who had isk invested in eve-bank are appreciated. This!
Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.05.05 08:46:00 - [642] Good times!
Johnny Ringo Stargazer Exploration Company Transmission Lost	Posted - 2011.05.05 12:59:00 - [643] I want to echo the previous posters and thank you guys for your efforts. One question (and please don't take this as a complaint as I see any recovery from Evebank as an unexpected return of funds long ago written off): the payout was roughly half of what I expected based upon Ray's estimate of a liquidation value of approximately 450k per share. I see that AC has said there will be more payouts - are they likely in toto to more or less double what we have received thus far? Just trying to plan. Thanks.
Black Omne Caldari Freedom-Technologies Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.05.05 18:16:00 - [644] Many thanks to AC and Ray for their long efforts to do the right thing and try to get as much isk back to investors as possible. I never doubted your honesty and hard work would eventually payoff. When Incarna comes, I hope I get the opportunity to meet you somewhere and buy you a virtual ale or something GREAT WORK! . . . .
The Pear The Scissors Mk. 2	Posted - 2011.05.06 02:00:00 - [645] Very surprised to see actual money come back from eve bank... I have to say im pretty impressed you guys didnt run off with the money... Proves that there are some decent people on eve at least. __________________________________________________ Pears?
Btek Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.05.06 13:08:00 - [646] Much appreciated, thanks for making this happen.
Braiel Gas Giant Industries Gas Giant Inter Global	Posted - 2011.05.07 02:02:00 - [647] Thanks for the payment!
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.07 21:27:00 - [648] Another 25billion in dividend payments sent out today. Please stop evemailing me asking why you haven't gotten your full account balance or why you haven't gotten what Ray said you would get per share OR if you will be getting anymore. Once we have finished liquidating and handing out dividends, I'll be sure to make a post about it.
foxische Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.05.07 21:38:00 - [649] Originally by: Crazy Kalibanov If nobody has said this yet ... your efforts towards recovering isk for people who had isk invested in eve-bank are appreciated. signed (got already around 1.5B of 6.3B invested) [Service]Personal standing increase (UNIQUE!) + Setting a corporation
Jamie Banks Quantum Horizons	Posted - 2011.05.08 23:22:00 - [650] Originally by: EBANK Money is actually being returned to investors I thought this was EVE, son I am dissapoint. _______________________________ Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' AU/NZ Corp Register

Aerilis Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.05.09 13:35:00 - [651] After nearly 2 years, I actually got ISK back? Holy **** didn't expect that to happen.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.05.09 20:35:00 - [652] Edited by: SencneS on 09/05/2011 20:35:28 Not that it's much compared to the rest, I'm still liquidating about 10-30B ISK in all the BPCs and stuff EBANK didn't really use. If anyone wants to see the collection of stuff let me know, and I'll produce a daily account of stuff for sale. Any reasonable offer will be accepted. Amarr for Life
Sara Rucksom Hammertime Holding	Posted - 2011.05.10 22:57:00 - [653] Have I missed the boat with all this? My account was inactive for a year and I came back today. Be nice to get some of my isk back... but if it's gone it's gone, and I'll have a clean start. Founder of the S.M.L.
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.05.10 23:00:00 - [654] Originally by: Sara Rucksom Have I missed the boat with all this? My account was inactive for a year and I came back today. Be nice to get some of my isk back... but if it's gone it's gone, and I'll have a clean start. POOOOOOOOOOOOOAND! Hope that clears things up.
Sara Rucksom Hammertime Holding	Posted - 2011.05.10 23:14:00 - [655] Heh, fair enough. Founder of the S.M.L.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.05.11 19:14:00 - [656] Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 09/05/2011 20:35:28 Not that it's much compared to the rest, I'm still liquidating about 10-30B ISK in all the BPCs and stuff EBANK didn't really use. If anyone wants to see the collection of stuff let me know, and I'll produce a daily account of stuff for sale. Any reasonable offer will be accepted. you can contact me about titan bpo/bpcs you have for sale
Andrew Wulfe	Posted - 2011.05.12 13:49:00 - [657] Originally by: Weaselior Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 09/05/2011 20:35:28 Not that it's much compared to the rest, I'm still liquidating about 10-30B ISK in all the BPCs and stuff EBANK didn't really use. If anyone wants to see the collection of stuff let me know, and I'll produce a daily account of stuff for sale. Any reasonable offer will be accepted. you can contact me about titan bpo/bpcs you have for sale Wow, now THERE'S a conflict. If the Goons buy more titans I get back more isk, but that means the Goons have more titans... makes my head hurt.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.12 15:06:00 - [658] Originally by: Weaselior Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 09/05/2011 20:35:28 Not that it's much compared to the rest, I'm still liquidating about 10-30B ISK in all the BPCs and stuff EBANK didn't really use. If anyone wants to see the collection of stuff let me know, and I'll produce a daily account of stuff for sale. Any reasonable offer will be accepted. you can contact me about titan bpo/bpcs you have for sale EBANK does not own any titan related items anymore and has not for quite sometime.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.05.13 01:53:00 - [659] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 EBANK does not own any titan related items anymore and has not for quite sometime. Audit?
elequor	Posted - 2011.05.20 20:59:00 - [660] incredible. i ACTUALLY received ISK. after all this time not even thinking about my lost isk in this scam, getting back like 100m :) /me is more surprised than anything else have a good weekend people

Mark Duquesne	Posted - 2011.05.20 21:00:00 - [661] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 EBANK does not own any titan related items anymore and has not for quite sometime. Audit? Audit is the most dread and powerful of the three Lords of the IRS.
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.05.22 08:12:00 - [662] E-bank actually paid?
Cerrydwin	Posted - 2011.05.23 23:13:00 - [663] Confirming actual isk received. Thanks for sticking through what must have been a brutal grind.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.05.24 00:10:00 - [664] Originally by: Cerrydwin Thanks for sticking through what must have been a brutal grind. It doesn't take 2 years to sell assets and distribute ISK to depositors. Unless of course you want depositors to jump through hoops that include giving away full API keys, DNA samples, and the names of each pet you have Seriously, create shares to distribute to depositors, sell assets, issue dividends. EBANK made it a hundred times more difficult than it needed to be in the guise of "we don't want to pay back people who scammed us".
ebri Akachi	Posted - 2011.05.24 00:21:00 - [665] Edited by: ebri Akachi on 24/05/2011 00:25:28 Wow. When i first started playing eve i was amazed at the complexity and wanted more. It was a growing dream to create a banking institution... I set off to learn how, and I found it had been tried and conquered... while it is still a little dream of mine, I like how EBANK held through. I think we all look at eve as a harsh environment, where you eat or are eaten. That is the simplistic view. It is a world were you make connections and grow... or you don't. EBANK may not have been the best place to grow, or atleast not when things got bad, but it certainly wasn't the rapid dog waiting to gnaw your bones. I hope EBANK or other's like it will make more connections and grow even more, again. Empathy has and will remain man's greatest asset. Not all of us have empathy in the virtual, but EBANK tried and other's will too. Jsut my 2 cent. Also, as far as it taking 2 years. Ebank's holdings were roughly 2.5 trillion ISK. I could be wrong but at the time of its failure that was almost 1% of the economy. You don't liquidate that in a month, at-least not at a good price. Some people here are claim as much as 50% or more of their investment back. There isn't a chance in heck it would have been that much or more if the liquidated in a "timely" matter. Suddenly reintroducing 1% of the economy on such a short deadline would wipe the value of their non-liquid assets which they seem to have plenty of. People are so used to the real world FDIC, we have forgotten that like everything in life that makes you money, its a risk. Banking is supposed to be a risk, if it weren't you would be paying them interest. Edite: said 10%, but I'm pretty sure its 1%. Anyone else have the numbers? lol
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.05.24 00:51:00 - [666] you're an idiot it took two years because they still wanted to play imaginary spaceships banker with what was left of other people's money despite the obvious conceptual failure of banking in eve "they didn't end up just stealing the rest" is the highest praise anyone can make, besides that it is all incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion never forget how it really went down
RAW23	Posted - 2011.05.24 00:55:00 - [667] Originally by: Elise DarkStar it took two years because they still wanted to play imaginary spaceships banker with what was left of other people's money despite the obvious conceptual failure of banking in eve "they didn't end up just stealing the rest" is the highest praise anyone can make, besides that it is all incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion never forget how it really went down This.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:13:00 - [668] Originally by: Elise DarkStar you're an idiot it took two years because they still wanted to play imaginary spaceships banker with what was left of other people's money despite the obvious conceptual failure of banking in eve "they didn't end up just stealing the rest" is the highest praise anyone can make, besides that it is all incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion never forget how it really went down I don't think its fair to categorize the situation as JUST "incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion". It's also "you're not as important as my RL so I'm going to take my own sweet time dealing with this because its just a game and it doesn't pay the bills. kthnx" I would also add in "there was a tremendous web of information that had to be sorted but due to the fact that RL stuffz takes precedence over superimp0rtant3v3stuffz, it took longer than it might if other individuals that had more time to devote to it were in charge." Thanks for the fresh perspective though, we always appreciate hearing from our listeners. /finger
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:13:00 - [669] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Cerrydwin Thanks for sticking through what must have been a brutal grind. It doesn't take 2 years to sell assets and distribute ISK to depositors. Unless of course you want depositors to jump through hoops that include giving away full API keys, DNA samples, and the names of each pet you have Seriously, create shares to distribute to depositors, sell assets, issue dividends. EBANK made it a hundred times more difficult than it needed to be in the guise of "we don't want to pay back people who scammed us". ..You and I have disagreed in the past. But on this topic, we see eye to eye.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:15:00 - [670] Originally by: Elise DarkStar you're an idiot it took two years because they still wanted to play imaginary spaceships banker with what was left of other people's money despite the obvious conceptual failure of banking in eve "they didn't end up just stealing the rest" is the highest praise anyone can make, besides that it is all incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion never forget how it really went down ..And another who speaks exactly how I think.

Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:19:00 - [671] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I don't think its fair... You're discussing the approximate 6 months it took from the decision to liquidate, and I don't fault anyone for the pace they chose. I'm referring to the approximate 1.5 years it took to finally make the correct decision to liquidate.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:20:00 - [672] Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 24/05/2011 01:22:13 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I don't think its fair to categorize the situation as JUST "incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion". It's also "you're not as important as my RL so I'm going to take my own sweet time dealing with this because its just a game and it doesn't pay the bills. kthnx" I would also add in "there was a tremendous web of information that had to be sorted but due to the fact that RL stuffz takes precedence over superimp0rtant3v3stuffz, it took longer than it might if other individuals that had more time to devote to it were in charge." Thanks for the fresh perspective though, we always appreciate hearing from our listeners. /finger ..What a fresh perspective from a company man! Along with riding the RL > Eve excuse train into forgiveness. RL doesn't come close to being a good excuse for taking so long. And RL really doesn't come close to justifying EBANK's extremely poor treatment directed to investors.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:37:00 - [673] Originally by: Syds Sinclair Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 24/05/2011 01:22:13 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I don't think its fair to categorize the situation as JUST "incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion". It's also "you're not as important as my RL so I'm going to take my own sweet time dealing with this because its just a game and it doesn't pay the bills. kthnx" I would also add in "there was a tremendous web of information that had to be sorted but due to the fact that RL stuffz takes precedence over superimp0rtant3v3stuffz, it took longer than it might if other individuals that had more time to devote to it were in charge." Thanks for the fresh perspective though, we always appreciate hearing from our listeners. /finger ..What a fresh perspective from a company man! Along with riding the RL > Eve excuse train into forgiveness. RL doesn't come close to being a good excuse for taking so long. And RL really doesn't come close to justifying EBANK's extremely poor treatment directed to investors. Well luckily, you opinion about whether RL is a good excuse or not doesn't really matter. In fact, no one's opinion really matters about that except my own. It is what it is. You've got a lot of pent-up frustration about all this and I really don't think it's healthy. And just to set the record straight to anyone who is as delusional as you, I'm not seeking any forgiveness. I didn't steal anything and I simply tried to do something I had no experience with, no time to do, and that had never been done in Eve. I don't think we are even beating a dead horse at this point. The horse has been dead for years and now we're just swinging wildly at the air. Honestly you and your opinions are about as interesting as me and mine, not interesting at all. We should have a stare-off.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:01:00 - [674] ..Great. Case closed. As long as we're in agreement that you and your cohorts dropped the ball, are incompetent, and should never be trusted with public ISK again.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:16:00 - [675] Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..Great. Case closed. As long as we're in agreement that you and your cohorts dropped the ball, are incompetent, and should never be trusted with public ISK again. Sure, if I was in fact responsible for losing public isk, then you would be correct. So we agree, in your what-if situation I would not trust myself with public isk either. You either really like to troll, don't know all the details and are making stuff up as you go, or you're actually trying to make us look good by lowering your posting quality below ours. Maybe its a mix of all three.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:22:00 - [676] ..My points stand even tho I will forfeit that you did not lose public ISK. Except that charitable donation EBANK's investors made to VV's pled drive.
MailDeadDrop The Collective	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:24:00 - [677] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 We should have a stare-off. That would require less talking. Substantially less. MDD
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:25:00 - [678] Originally by: MailDeadDrop Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 We should have a stare-off. That would require less talking. Substantially less. MDD Thanks for getting what I was saying.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:32:00 - [679] Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..My points stand even tho I will forfeit that you did not lose public ISK. Except that charitable donation EBANK's investors made to VV's pled drive.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:34:00 - [680] Originally by: Syds Sinclair Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..My points stand even tho I will forfeit that you did not lose public ISK. Except that charitable donation EBANK's investors made to VV's pled drive. I guess technically that isk came from a lottery I won using my own isk to enter, although my isk and ebank isk has ended up in the same pot going back to investors so yes ebank investors made the donation.

Rafia Landras Audeles Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:39:00 - [681] Edited by: Rafia Landras Audeles on 24/05/2011 02:40:00 Originally by: Syds Sinclair Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..My points stand even tho I will forfeit that you did not lose public ISK. Except that charitable donation EBANK's investors made to VV's pled drive. You know, sometimes, there is a point to trolling. Sometimes, there isn't. This is probably the later situation. The money is paid, what else you want? You can't haz AC's *********, he already donated them to science as his unfortunate portrait will attest. He is unlikely to seek your forgiveness either. Did you even invest in ebank? The war is over. You won. Have grace in victory.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 03:35:00 - [682] ..^^ Go be wall streets PR rep.
Wengy Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.29 18:59:00 - [683] I've been away from EVE, I've got 501 shares to EVE bank, how do I cash them in, or can I?
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:19:00 - [684] lol - 2 years to make a decision that a competent person would have made in 2 minutes
The Illustrious Juden	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:24:00 - [685] Originally by: Wengy I've been away from EVE, I've got 501 shares to EVE bank, how do I cash them in, or can I? Good news and bad news. I'll just tell you the good news. You managed to avoid 2+ years of deliberate and methodical torture and victimization.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.05.30 03:43:00 - [686] Originally by: The Illustrious Juden Originally by: Wengy I've been away from EVE, I've got 501 shares to EVE bank, how do I cash them in, or can I? Good news and bad news. I'll just tell you the good news. You managed to avoid 2+ years of deliberate and methodical torture and victimization. What's the bad news?
Krythas	Posted - 2011.05.30 04:32:00 - [687] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: The Illustrious Juden Originally by: Wengy I've been away from EVE, I've got 501 shares to EVE bank, how do I cash them in, or can I? Good news and bad news. I'll just tell you the good news. You managed to avoid 2+ years of deliberate and methodical torture and victimization. What's the bad news? He can't have a pony.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.05.30 18:48:00 - [688] Edited by: Ghoest on 30/05/2011 18:54:14 Originally by: Elise DarkStar you're an idiot it took two years because they still wanted to play imaginary spaceships banker with what was left of other people's money despite the obvious conceptual failure of banking in eve "they didn't end up just stealing the rest" is the highest praise anyone can make, besides that it is all incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion never forget how it really went down That is a wonderful post. Maybe the best post ever to start with "You're and idiot." Wherever you went - Here you are.
Andrew Wulfe	Posted - 2011.06.04 12:12:00 - [689] So are Evebank distributions done? Based on Ray's estimate of distributions per share I've gotten about half wehat I expected so far. I know AC said hold on to the shares because more was on the way. Just wondering where we were.
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.08 12:37:00 - [690] I have not received a penny, EVE bank account was Strrogash. Can you please confirm that you will send something my way or not or do I need to make a mausoleum for my 6 bill? ./praise for the pay outs to others.

SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.06.10 15:03:00 - [691] Last night Anastasia Heron private messaged me and we had a talk about the account repayment process of EBANK. Anastasia was also an original BOD Member at EBANK who managed some BPO copying ventures as well as had a sizable loan with EBANK. When asked to step down by Ray, Anastasia paid back part of the loan he had, but not all. He retained the loan amount equal to that of his account balance. This was seen by many on this forum as acceptable, however this is technically not the correct cause of action. Anastasia would not have received his full account balance on liquidation, if he had paid the loan back in full, did everything the other 1,378 members did by verified their account etc, he would only received part of his account balance. The private chat last night was made up of Anastasia intentions to give EBANK that difference at the end liquidation. This will not be a huge amount, Anastasia believes it will be within the 2-3 billion ISK range. This comes out to be about 0.22% of all verified account total value, if I use 3B ISK. This would come to about 2,187.84 ISK per share (Based on the total shares I believe are deployed, however I am not 100% confident in that value.) The average distribution would to 2,207,505.52 ISK, note here I said average, not each member. Anastasia plans on returning ISK by calculating how much he would have received, and give the difference to an EBANK Representative for distribution. One thing I am not 100% sure of is to the exact percentage of distribution to account balance. I do not have a share so I am unable to calculate out the current percentage. I call on anyone with a trustworthy name to please send or post the total amount of distribution per share they have received. I'll also EVEMail Ray and AC155 if they have this information. It is not on the internal forum and I was not part of the share distribution or dividend payment process, so these numbers are not available to me. I posted this to re-enforce the notion of not selling/disposing of EBANK shares, the items I'm liquidating have managed to collect an additional 4-5B and I believe Ray and AC have not finalized their part of the process either. Anastasia also requested that this be known to the shareholders so they can get ever ISK they are entitled to. Calculating per share distribution is easy, take the total amount of ISK you have received and divide by the total number of shares. Each Share represents 1 Million ISK account balance. So if you have received 600K per share, that would be 60% of your account balance. If some people could either EVE Mail me or post on here this number I'll contact Anastasia and let him know what the current total is. I don't think this needs to be a concern but if the value is over 1million ISK per share, Anastasia would not be giving any ISK to EBANK, as that would represent over 100% your account balance. Amarr for Life
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.06.10 16:46:00 - [692] Tell him to shove it up his poop hole, we're not here to help him salve his conscience. Or he can send it to AC155, whatever. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Anastasia Heron Amarr Ricercar Astral Research	Posted - 2011.06.11 01:02:00 - [693] Originally by: Ray McCormack Tell him to shove it up his poop hole, we're not here to help him salve his conscience. No, but you are here to recover and preserve bank assets and ensure accout holders get the maximum amount back. We just had a multi-page **ing match regarding someone else's 3b that you'd gladly take back. I didn't expect a parade but this is surprising. Quite frankly I'd love to use this as an excuse to recind my offer but that's not the point. I'll assume you're sincere in having me send it to AC155. ----- Originally by:** CCP Mitnal please don't make allegations about other people's sexuality, post in avoidance of the forum filter and especially not post derogatory comments about someone else's mother
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.06.11 05:04:00 - [694] Originally by: Anastasia Heron Originally by: Ray McCormack Tell him to shove it up his poop hole, we're not here to help him salve his conscience. No, but you are here to recover and preserve bank assets and ensure accout holders get the maximum amount back. We just had a multi-page ****ing match regarding someone else's 3b that you'd gladly take back. I didn't expect a parade but this is surprising. Quite frankly I'd love to use this as an excuse to recind my offer but that's not the point. I'll assume you're sincere in having me send it to AC155. Just wait till we've paid out the rest of the isk and once we have I'll evemail you the final % and you can send that to me to be dividend-ed.
EBANK Amarr155	Posted - 2011.06.16 19:34:00 - [695] 17 billion isk paid out in dividends just now. More to come as more comes.
Nikolas Lace Amarr B.O.O.M Obsidian Mining Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.18 11:11:00 - [696] Thanks Guys, ISK recieved... again... I think it's great that they don't just say: 'F*** you all! We'll steal the rest. ' EVERYBODY knew the risk of getting involved in a bank, where a scam has no legal consequences AT ALL (at least they should have known). So quit whining about it! With current game mechanics THIS WAS BOUND TO HAPPEN! The question was: Will I make enough money out of it, before it does? For me, it worked!
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.06.18 12:11:00 - [697] Edited by: Cyaxares II on 18/06/2011 12:16:23 Originally by: Nikolas Lace EVERYBODY knew the risk of getting involved in a bank, where a scam has no legal consequences AT ALL (at least they should have known). So quit whining about it! With current game mechanics THIS WAS BOUND TO HAPPEN! I don't think you understand why people complained... hint: they mostly didn't complain about Ricdics or the EBANK employees that jumped ship after the scam/collapse (my view of things might be biased though as EBANK did wipe my account balance because of "who cares about small investors?")
Mark Duquesne	Posted - 2011.06.18 17:45:00 - [698] Originally by: Cyaxares II Edited by: Cyaxares II on 18/06/2011 12:18:50 Originally by: Nikolas Lace EVERYBODY knew the risk of getting involved in a bank, where a scam has no legal consequences AT ALL (at least they should have known). So quit whining about it! With current game mechanics THIS WAS BOUND TO HAPPEN! I don't think you understand why people complained... hint: they mostly didn't complain about Ricdics or the EBANK employees that jumped ship after the scam/collapse (my view of things might be biased though as EBANK did wipe my account balance because of "who cares about small investors?". Of course the high rollers get refunded - after all Ray and SencneS want these to invest in their own business schemes) I have four shares. I believe I count as a small investor. My account was not wiped. I've received three payments so far, returning to me in total about 25% of my original investment. So the process is proceeding. I figure the odds on getting back all of my investment are quite low. But anything coming back is better than nothing. My rough calculation is that the bank would have to come up with about another 3 trillion to disburse for me to get everything back, so I'm not counting on it.
EBANK Amarr155	Posted - 2011.06.19 20:20:00 - [699] 12,407,647,270 isk sent out in divs today.
Melisa Zeal	Posted - 2011.07.05 18:16:00 - [700] Just spent a good two hours reading this all. Just have to say. Lol wow... from a unbiased view, I think I prefer ebank's side. I loved reading AC155 and Ray's responses. Good show guys, only thing I missed was pop corn.

EBANK Amarr155	Posted - 2011.08.03 03:21:00 - [701] 100,000,000,000 (100 billion) isk sent out in divs today.
Ima Victim	Posted - 2011.08.03 12:40:00 - [702] Originally by: EBANK Amarr155 100,000,000,000 (100 billion) isk sent out in divs today. Recieved. Thank you for your continued hard work and good faith.
Cavriani Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.08.05 04:40:00 - [703] Yes, much appreciated.
EBANK Amarr155	Posted - 2011.08.08 04:34:00 - [704] 147,504,289,930 isk sent out in dividends tonight. This brings the total isk sent out to: 601,911,937,200.00
entroncas Caldari Catalina Operations and Logistics Division Supernova Federation	Posted - 2011.08.08 21:23:00 - [705] I did verify my account on evebank and never got any shares. When checkin account in evebank site it says sweep account when at a certain time did said verified account. Can i have a explanation? Supernova federation Diplomat
Felix Newton	Posted - 2011.08.09 02:38:00 - [706] Interesting reading all the ebank threads. Of those people who verified their api details, what % payout did they receive on their deposits?
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.08.09 03:31:00 - [707] Edited by: Jerry Pepridge on 09/08/2011 03:31:39 Originally by: entroncas I did verify my account on evebank and never got any shares. When checkin account in evebank site it says sweep account when at a certain time did said verified account. Can i have a explanation? We excluded anyone with an illgotten reputation. in your case the 'Supernova Federation alliance' required you to fill in form 42 in triplicate & post it to the eastern zimbabwe bank for verification, then a pink copy faxed back to london HQ. Im afraid you wont be seeing any Isk untill we see the pink form signed back here. Edit: wrong toon _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Tigerras Smash Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.09 04:23:00 - [708] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Edited by: Jerry Pepridge on 09/08/2011 03:31:39 Originally by: entroncas I did verify my account on evebank and never got any shares. When checkin account in evebank site it says sweep account when at a certain time did said verified account. Can i have a explanation? We excluded anyone with an illgotten reputation. in your case the 'Supernova Federation alliance' required you to fill in form 42 in triplicate & post it to the eastern zimbabwe bank for verification, then a pink copy faxed back to london HQ. Im afraid you wont be seeing any Isk untill we see the pink form signed back here. Edit: wrong toon He also needs to send the yellow form to the office in Jita, and a photocopy of it on blue paper to New Caldari to be buried in the ground and used years later as firestarters.
Khail Halfhill	Posted - 2011.08.10 23:43:00 - [709] How do I know how much each share is worth?
trance atlas	Posted - 2011.08.10 23:57:00 - [710] Originally by: Khail Halfhill How do I know how much each share is worth? Math.

Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.08.15 04:37:00 - [711] Happy b-day to the biggest ******* in the universe......no not me.
MasterChief351 Gallente Atlas Research Group	Posted - 2011.08.22 14:59:00 - [712] Even though i dont care now i should have more shares because i had around 60mil in a withdraw request which was not credited im not bothered by it at all.So I should have had around 69 shares I think.I Did Not Remember the exact figure. Just Stating Oh And Just Read That Update, Fail


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