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deeveeate	Posted - 2010.10.09 22:24:00 - [181] Im just gunna wait for the 10000000th optional patch.......

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 22:35:00 - [182] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. I am sorry but you are mistaken. I'm mistaken in that "we have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them"? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 22:38:00 - [183] Originally by: deeveeate Im just gunna wait for the 10000000th optional patch....... Why? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.09 23:00:00 - [184] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 09/10/2010 23:03:46 Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. I am sorry but you are mistaken. I'm mistaken in that "we have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them"? You are mistaken saying "And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken.". You later expand about you not being able to reproduce the issue but with the above statement talked as an absolute, you don't encourage people to keep bug hunting. Also, how can we reproduce something that happens twice a day over 10 mails? That would be stuff that would require writing more unit tests on the line of the combat player sim created to check combat / lag issues. Edit: the above to say: we as individuals don't have visibility over statistical grade events, it gets hard to spot them right when they happen. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 23:23:00 - [185] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. I am sorry but you are mistaken. I'm mistaken in that "we have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them"? You are mistaken saying "And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken.". You later expand about you not being able to reproduce the issue but with the above statement talked as an absolute, you don't encourage people to keep bug hunting. If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

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Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.10.10 00:37:00 - [187] Eve Mail is broken as in, you can't select a part to autolink (you select a few letters, but it selects off-key, so if I write 12345, and mark 345, it will think I am selecting 123, you cant ctrl-enter without messing up 5 rows, it's just extremly buggy with editing, or writing more then a row, and having a enter there. _________________ --- Snatch Victory - Rivqua - Omega Wing ---
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.10 01:43:00 - [188] Originally by: Rivqua Eve Mail is broken as in, you can't select a part to autolink (you select a few letters, but it selects off-key, so if I write 12345, and mark 345, it will think I am selecting 123, you cant ctrl-enter without messing up 5 rows, it's just extremly buggy with editing, or writing more then a row, and having a enter there. It's not EVE-Mail, it's global UI bug. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.10 01:59:00 - [189] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Rasz Lin Combat log/Kills losses also has a duplication bug .... Can you provide more details, please. steps to reproduce: -click char sheet -click combat log -look This is same bug as the double overview/double items in the hangar. Since you didnt FIX double overview, but only masked it there is still double overview (when undocking), double items in hangar and this one .... after 3 patches. Its not always both next to each other, sometimes duplicates pop up down the list and screw up sort order :
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.10.10 07:55:00 - [190] Originally by: CCP Navigator <Snip>...Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility. If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but none of the fixes will be applied. <Snip> Is it just me? I've yet to see a single "Optional build available" window since the original patch... -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.

Guilty Man Minmatar Guilty People	Posted - 2010.10.10 09:39:00 - [191] How do I install optional patch if I clicked "No"? There is no word about it in "EVE Patches" section.
Steijn Minmatar Quay Industries	Posted - 2010.10.10 09:47:00 - [192] should be under esc / general settings in the middle column at the bottom.
Malkavien Reaction Theory Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.10.10 10:03:00 - [193] I seem to be able to reproduce the mail issue where by you type a nice long email, hit return on the keyboard a few times and it all gets jumbled up. This is getting very annoying to say the least. Is this a known issue and is there a timeline to get this fixed at is severely limiting the mails I can send and I am getting fedup of re-typing them.
Steijn Minmatar Quay Industries	Posted - 2010.10.10 10:24:00 - [194] Do you intend fixing the assets window contents continually jumping when dragging/dropping?
dungabee	Posted - 2010.10.10 10:46:00 - [195] Edited by: dungabee on 10/10/2010 10:51:33 Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: CCP Explorer We have a fix for the containers pending for the 4th patch. Note that we are fixing the behavior of station containers and other non-wreck containers. This is intended behavior for wreck containers. You mean the intended behaviour is for every wreck container to open in its default position from this 4th patch? edit: this wouldnt be your attempt to make looting more difficult for missioners and stimulate mining by making less reprocessed minerals appear on the market would it? After the 4th patch (pending) then the following should happen: Every station container (and any other similar container) should open in its last known position; the window location will be stored for each container. Wreck/loot containers should open in the last position that any such container was opened in; the window location will be stored globally for wreck/loot containers. Hi CCP Explorer, does this change also include the wreck window size? It's more annoying that each wreck window size resets to a size that can only fit 2 icons in it, then the position resetting IMHO. For each wreck I have to resize, than select all then move the loot. It is more mouse-work to do the same thing as it did pre-patch.
BBQfire	Posted - 2010.10.10 11:40:00 - [196] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: deeveeate Im just gunna wait for the 10000000th optional patch....... Why? your patch policy is a joke! can't you see that. now you call your patches optional? if i don't install them i have problems, am i right? so please, please, please, if you release the next big patch - test it before so that no "optional" patches are needed. every small software corporation wouldn't be able to do something like this to their customers because their customers would simply look for another similiar software which is working! For me it seems that CCP twits their customers and i really think that i won't extend my 3 accounts next year. everytime new features are added something new is broken and old bugs aren't fixed. i really think that EVE is becoming too big for CCP and so doesn't know where to start fixing things first.
Dior Rellik	Posted - 2010.10.10 11:50:00 - [197] Hiya just poppin the forum to say that before the 3 optional patches, the only problems I had were window sizes and escalation notifications. But since I installed the 3rd option patch I now have the overview dulicated items aswell. Also the corp details update page is buggy as hell.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.10 11:51:00 - [198] Originally by: BBQfire i really think that EVE is becoming too big for CCP and so doesn't know where to start fixing things first. I dont think its too big for them, more a case of the man at the top has a set guideline of what he wants to happen and the dates that they will be implemented. The fact that bugs appear seem to be of no interest to him as long as it proceeds along at the timescale he has planned.
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.10.10 11:57:00 - [199] Originally by: CCP Explorer If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. I think we are playing a game of semantics here. We, the players, use the word "broken" in the context that eve-mail is not working in a intuitive and consistent manner. You use "broken" in the literal since, as if EVE-Mail is completely unusable. It is true that you can still send mail and compose short messages without too much trouble; however, if you try to compose a complex message and use copy & past for editing, it is "broken"! This is because EVE-Mail does not function consistently when using copy & paste functions as compared to before the patch. (Issue is still present in the 3rd optional patch)

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:22:00 - [200] Originally by: Steijn Do you intend fixing the assets window contents continually jumping when dragging/dropping? I've sent this to the programmers. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games



CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:23:00 - [201] Originally by: dungabee Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: CCP Explorer We have a fix for the containers pending for the 4th patch. Note that we are fixing the behavior of station containers and other non-wreck containers. This is intended behavior for wreck containers. You mean the intended behaviour is for every wreck container to open in its default position from this 4th patch? edit: this wouldnt be your attempt to make looting more difficult for missioners and stimulate mining by making less reprocessed minerals appear on the market would it? After the 4th patch (pending) then the following should happen: Every station container (and any other similar container) should open in its last known position; the window location will be stored for each container. Wreck/loot containers should open in the last position that any such container was opened in; the window location will be stored globally for wreck/loot containers. Hi CCP Explorer, does this change also include the wreck window size? It's more annoying that each wreck window size resets to a size that can only fit 2 icons in it, then the position resetting IMHO. For each wreck I have to resize, than select all then move the loot. It is more mouse-work to do the same thing as it did pre-patch. I've sent this to the programmers. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:26:00 - [202] Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. I think we are playing a game of semantics here. We, the players, use the word "broken" in the context that eve-mail is not working in a intuitive and consistent manner. You use "broken" in the literal since, as if EVE-Mail is completely unusable. It is true that you can still send mail and compose short messages without too much trouble; however, if you try to compose a complex message and use copy & past for editing, it is "broken"! This is because EVE-Mail does not function consistently when using copy & paste functions as compared to before the patch. (Issue is still present in the 3rd optional patch) Yes, I use "broken" in the literal sense, in particular if there are no details on how it is broken or what parts of it are broken. We are still trying to find what, when and how issues arise in EVE Mail. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Ennia Gallente Abyssal Heavy Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:40:00 - [203] I've also got the problem with the backspace key making a mess of my mails. Duplicating lines and inserting apparently random linebreaks.
BootNeck71 Caldari Son's of The Hammer	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:46:00 - [204] I now crash every 20-40 mins. Have loaded the patches but it still persists. Never had a crash before Tyrannis. GM told me to send a Ping report. The ping program could not ping CCP host name. Whats that all about then? Anyone else experiencing these crashes?
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:48:00 - [205] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. I think we are playing a game of semantics here. We, the players, use the word "broken" in the context that eve-mail is not working in a intuitive and consistent manner. You use "broken" in the literal since, as if EVE-Mail is completely unusable. It is true that you can still send mail and compose short messages without too much trouble; however, if you try to compose a complex message and use copy & past for editing, it is "broken"! This is because EVE-Mail does not function consistently when using copy & paste functions as compared to before the patch. (Issue is still present in the 3rd optional patch) Yes, I use "broken" in the literal sense, in particular if there are no details on how it is broken or what parts of it are broken. We are still trying to find what, when and how issues arise in EVE Mail. It's always nice to agree to disagree! It is hard to describe the issue due to the inconsistent nature of the problem; however, I found a good description of most of the issues with in-game EVE-Mail found HERE. I hope it helps.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.10 16:21:00 - [206] Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. I think we are playing a game of semantics here. We, the players, use the word "broken" in the context that eve-mail is not working in a intuitive and consistent manner. You use "broken" in the literal since, as if EVE-Mail is completely unusable. It is true that you can still send mail and compose short messages without too much trouble; however, if you try to compose a complex message and use copy & past for editing, it is "broken"! This is because EVE-Mail does not function consistently when using copy & paste functions as compared to before the patch. (Issue is still present in the 3rd optional patch) Yes, I use "broken" in the literal sense, in particular if there are no details on how it is broken or what parts of it are broken. We are still trying to find what, when and how issues arise in EVE Mail. It's always nice to agree to disagree! It is hard to describe the issue due to the inconsistent nature of the problem; however, I found a good description of most of the issues with in-game EVE-Mail found HERE. I hope it helps. CCP Stillman has been monitoring that thread. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

KaarBaak Minmatar Hell's Librarians Darkmatter Initiative	Posted - 2010.10.10 17:40:00 - [207] Originally by: Liandra Xi Originally by: KaarBaak Originally by: CCP Explorer Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way. With all due respect, do you use windows? Because that is not how MS Windows works. SINGLE-click column header sorts column. DOUBLE-click header sorts column twice...ascending, then descending. KB With all due respect, but what the Dev described is EXACTLY how it works in windows. You are getting confused between clicking on the column header vs the column header seperator (the line in between the columns in the column header). Clicking on the column header changes the sort order, double clicking sorts it first one way then the other. Double clicking on the seperator though resizes the column to the left of the mouse cursor to an "auto size" that should expand/shrink the column to the exact width of the content being displayed in the column. Go check your facts again because frankly sir you are wrong and CCP are right in this instance. Again, to be clear...the behaviour in EvE is NOT the same as MS Windows. Windows: Single click column HEADER: sorts column Double click column HEADER: sorts column twice Double click column DIVIDER: resize column to accomodate largest entry EvE: Single click column HEADER: sorts column Double click column HEADER: sorts column *and resizes column to accomodate largest entry* Double click column DIVIDER: resizes column to accomodate largest entry So again, Explorer's claim that "You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way" is incorrect. KB Removed. Please keep your signature completely in English. Navigator I think that core audiences in the West are big fans of simply paying that monthly subscription and getting everything, and so I think we're going to stick with that. --S
Guilty Man Minmatar Guilty People	Posted - 2010.10.10 18:38:00 - [208] Originally by: Steijn should be under esc / general settings in the middle column at the bottom. Whoops! Thanks! Did not expect it requires logging in.
Soriana Ter'Ridar	Posted - 2010.10.10 21:52:00 - [209] I accidentally removed the patch how do i go about reinstalling it? Also no there is no option to install under escape, general settings.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.10 22:07:00 - [210] Originally by: Soriana Ter'Ridar I accidentally removed the patch how do i go about reinstalling it? Also no there is no option to install under escape, general settings. Log in first, then look in the settings. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games




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