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CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.06 16:24:00 - [1] A third optional patch will be deployed during downtime on Thursday, October 7 which will fix several issues reported to us following the release of Tyrannis 1.1. While the patch is optional, we would encourage everyone to apply the update to ensure your gameplay is improved. A full list of updated patch notes can be found here. The reason for deploying an optional patch is that these updates contain UI core fixes which are client-only changes in python. This process is much quicker to prepare, test and execute and allows us to prepare a patch much faster than usual. The EVE Online client remains usable whether an optional patch is applied or not. Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility. If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but none of the fixes will be applied. If you clicked 'No' in error you can still apply the patch by going to the ESC menu, General Settings and apply the patch from the 'Install' button there. The first and second Tyrannis 1.1 optional patches will be removed from the server and all fixes will be included in this third patch. If you choose not to install this patch all previous optional patches will be uninstalled as well. Once again, it is highly recommended you install this patch. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Jack Gilligan Caldari 1st Cavalry Division Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.10.06 16:52:00 - [2] So let me get this straight... We had a patch, 1.1, which broke the UI and overview. Then we had a patch of that patch, which did nothing to fix the problems of the first patch. Then we got a patch of the patch of the patch which has done nothing to fix the problems caused by the original patch and the patch of that patch. So now we are getting a patch of the patch of the patch and expect that it will fix the problems created by the original patch that wasn't fixed by the patch of the patch, or the patch of the patch of the patch? Confused yet?
oolk Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.10.06 17:04:00 - [3] Actually,the 1st optional patch did nothing but the 2nd was actually pretty good. It fixed 95% of the issues I had at least. Hopefully that 3rd optional will fix my remaining problems... P.S. What the hell,here they are: -No popup when you get an expedition (gotta check journal-not critical) -Cycling probe list (not too bad)
Sig Sour	Posted - 2010.10.06 17:04:00 - [4] There will be rainbow and ice cream filled UI's in November.
Aessoroz	Posted - 2010.10.06 17:24:00 - [5] I can't believe these things are actually optional patches.
Captian Conrad Minmatar Empyrean Warriors	Posted - 2010.10.06 18:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Aessoroz I can't believe these things are actually optional patches. This, but kudos to CCP on rapid patch fixing _________________________________ Looking for cool pilots, check our advert
King Pleasure	Posted - 2010.10.06 18:30:00 - [7] So this is the patch to fix the patch to fix the patch to fix the original patch that started it all? Regardless of what I said before this, you should remember that only about 1 in 20 of my posts have any real purpose.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 18:36:00 - [8] The optional client patches is a light-weight method for us to fix client issues, where there is only client code involved and not coordinated client/server changes. It takes us 1 minute and 6 seconds to build an optional client patch (since we are only packaging the Python code) and the deployment is extremely light-weight. By comparison, a full client patch takes about 4 hours to build and deployment involves a lengthy download and patch testing process. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Ankbar	Posted - 2010.10.06 18:37:00 - [9] My question is will my window settings and the like be lost on this patch, like on the previous two? Stupid wallet blinking again...

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 18:39:00 - [10] Originally by: King Pleasure So this is the patch to fix the patch, to fix the patch, to fix the original patch that started it all? No, this 3rd optional client patch is an inclusive client hotfix that includes all fixes from #1 and #2 and fixes the remaining problems stemming from Tyrannis 1.1. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 18:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Captian Conrad Originally by: Aessoroz I can't believe these things are actually optional patches. This, but kudos to CCP on rapid patch fixing You rarely see this since we don't update the patch notes (which we really should do so you are informed) but we normally hotfix the server once or twice a week, every week with all sorts of performance fixes and bug fixes. It just so happens that we are concentrating on the client at the moment, hence the flurry of fixes that are very visible to you. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.06 18:47:00 - [12] Edited by: Guilliman R on 06/10/2010 18:48:27 Did you, you know, test this patch? Can you tell me there wont be any bugs with this patch, and it fixes all the bugs your last big patch and optional patches introduced? Can I quote you on that afterwards? Edit* Quote, not quite ------

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 18:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Guilliman R Did you, you know, test this patch? Yes, we did. Quote: Can you tell me there wont be any bugs with this patch, There are no new bugs in this patch to the best of our knowledge. Quote: and it fixes all the bugs your last big patch and optional patches introduced? This patch fixes all known client issues that we are aware of were introduced in Tyrannis 1.1. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2010.10.06 19:02:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Explorer This patch fixes all known client issues that we are aware of were introduced in Tyrannis 1.1. Please tell me it fixes allowing you to close the 'manage' window for a POS after you move 2500m away. I click that while refueling to read the window while in warp to figure out how much fuel I need. It gets annoying having to warp back to the pos just to close the window. 'You must be 2500m or less from the pos to do that' type message like I'm trying to open rather than close.
King Pleasure	Posted - 2010.10.06 19:08:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: King Pleasure So this is the patch to fix the patch, to fix the patch, to fix the original patch that started it all? No, this 3rd optional client patch is an inclusive client hotfix that includes all fixes from #1 and #2 and fixes the remaining problems stemming from Tyrannis 1.1. Yeah but my way of putting it has rhythm to it. Regardless of what I said before this, you should remember that only about 1 in 20 of my posts have any real purpose.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.06 19:18:00 - [16] will this fix the bad ping and 2 minute black screen on undock ive been having ?

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 19:31:00 - [17] Originally by: HeliosGal will this fix the bad ping and 2 minute black screen on undock ive been having ? No. I just checked on TQ and I can't reproduce this. Can you send us a bug report with details on your ISP, network connection to TQ and your hardware, please. Also send in a technical petition and see if the GMs can help you. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.06 19:34:00 - [18] Edited by: Tonto Auri on 06/10/2010 19:36:33 Originally by: CCP Navigator The EVE Online client remains usable whether an optional patch is applied or not. I hope it was a joke. Originally by: CCP Explorer This patch fixes all known client issues that we are aware of were introduced in Tyrannis 1.1. So, I take it that Show Info window opened into your face is an unknown issue? -- Thanks CCP for cu

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 19:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer This patch fixes all known client issues that we are aware of were introduced in Tyrannis 1.1. So, I take it that Show Info window opened into your face is an unknown issue? Please be more specific. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.06 19:51:00 - [20] Edited by: Tonto Auri on 06/10/2010 19:53:31 Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer This patch fixes all known client issues that we are aware of were introduced in Tyrannis 1.1. So, I take it that Show Info window opened into your face is an unknown issue? Please be more specific. https://bugs.eveonline.com/mybugreports.asp?Action=View&ID=100878 And while we're at it: https://bugs.eveonline.com/mybugreports.asp?Action=View&ID=100913 https://bugs.eveonline.com/mybugreports.asp?Action=View&ID=100891 https://bugs.eveonline.com/mybugreports.asp?Action=View&ID=99843 That's (at most) a half (if not less) of bugs I reported, those bothering me, and people I spoke with, much. ADD: That provided the https://bugs.eveonline.com/mybugreports.asp?Action=View&ID=101531 was (will be) actually fixed in tomorrow patch. -- Thanks CCP for cu
King Pleasure	Posted - 2010.10.06 19:53:00 - [21] Actually, since I'm done making useless comments on this thread I thought I should ask a serious question. Has the overview bug I've been experiencing since the last patch been addressed? Normally I keep my overview set to sort by icon. After the last patch, things have been showing up in random places on the overview, out of their icon group (if that makes sense). This isn't only when I encounter new objects though, it happens during combat at times. A ship will jump from being within it's group to being somewhere randomly placed down the list till I scroll back down to find it. This only happens when the list is long enough to scroll through and only with some objects. Regardless of what I said before this, you should remember that only about 1 in 20 of my posts have any real purpose.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.06 20:04:00 - [22] Edited by: Karia Sur on 06/10/2010 20:08:00 Originally by: CCP Explorer By comparison, a full client patch takes about 4 hours to build and deployment involves a lengthy download and patch testing process. So what happened last week then? edit: and actually you will gain a lot of credibility back if you at least admit you messed up instead of not really explaining anything at all.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 20:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer Please be more specific. https://bugs.eveonline.com/mybugreports.asp?Action=View&ID=100878 And while we're at it: https://bugs.eveonline.com/mybugreports.asp?Action=View&ID=100913 https://bugs.eveonline.com/mybugreports.asp?Action=View&ID=100891 https://bugs.eveonline.com/mybugreports.asp?Action=View&ID=99843 That's (at most) a half (if not less) of bugs I reported, those bothering me, and people I spoke with, much. ADD: That provided the https://bugs.eveonline.com/mybugreports.asp?Action=View&ID=101531 was (will be) actually fixed in tomorrow patch. 100878: There are no details for us in this bug report. 100913: Not reproducible. 100891: Not reproducible. 99843: You already have a reply there. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 20:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Karia Sur Edited by: Karia Sur on 06/10/2010 20:08:00 Originally by: CCP Explorer By comparison, a full client patch takes about 4 hours to build and deployment involves a lengthy download and patch testing process. So what happened last week then? edit: and actually you will gain a lot of credibility back if you at least admit you messed up instead of not really explaining anything at all. Last week? When we deployed Tyrannis 1.1? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.06 20:26:00 - [25] yup
Hordi LaGeorge	Posted - 2010.10.06 20:38:00 - [26] So far each patch has improved eve for me. The original 1.1 patch cleared up all my constant client crashes, making eve much more enjoyable to play. But it did add the UI bugs, which have been slowly going away. CCP: Will patch #3 fix bug #101533?
Varidicus	Posted - 2010.10.06 20:39:00 - [27] Well these things happen, 2nd patch fixed all the problems i had but like other people said it is quite strange it's optional. Fast fixes never hurt anyone though
Colonel Telford	Posted - 2010.10.06 20:52:00 - [28] any eta for a fix on BR101242? which makes it very difficult to build and edit Pi colonys

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 20:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Karia Sur yup We encountered a client crash issue during the deployment dry-run testing. The schedule called for TQ to be opened at 13:40 GMT. The issue was raised to Software at 12:29 GMT and had been fixed and ported for release at 15:06 GMT. It was a very tricky issue with three different components colliding to produce a crash, which is very rare. TQ opened at 18:46 GTM and in between we rebuilt the client (binaries, installers and patches), uploaded, and download and patch tested. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.06 20:55:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Karia Sur yup We encountered a client crash issue during the deployment dry-run testing. The schedule called for TQ to be opened at 13:40 GMT. The issue was raised to Software at 12:29 GMT and had been fixed and ported for release at 15:06 GMT. It was a very tricky issue with three different components colliding to produce a crash, which is very rare. TQ opened at 18:46 GTM and in between we rebuilt the client (binaries, installers and patches), uploaded, and download and patch tested. I actually meant why did you deploy buggy code.
VLAD VIRONS Gallente X-SENSE Technologies	Posted - 2010.10.06 20:59:00 - [31] GJ CCP, btw 4 those who r still confused about why its called - optional patch - means - "The EVE Online client remains usable whether an optional patch is applied or not", in comparsion if u do not install a usual patch (not optional) u will not be able to connect with server.
kudak'etan	Posted - 2010.10.06 21:04:00 - [32] I have been playing eve since 2005 and I have never once seen an optional patch been deployed and have also never seen any post patch fixes being introduced so closely to the original patch release. Can you please reveal???? 1. Have you developed a new patch routine for releases for quick fixes? 2. Have you increased your workload to much to handle? 3. Are you rushing your patches for competition reasons? I love eve, don't kill it, I have never seen eve released into such a untested state, why are you having to release inncentives for players to log into the test server, are you having issues testing your own releases??? Can't pull wool over my eyes so tell me why so dramatically different to my previous 5 years of playing? Thanks, Matt.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 21:08:00 - [33] Originally by: Hordi LaGeorge So far each patch has improved eve for me. The original 1.1 patch cleared up all my constant client crashes, making eve much more enjoyable to play. But it did add the UI bugs, which have been slowly going away. CCP: Will patch #3 fix bug #101533? Don't know, I've notified the programmers. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Palovana Caldari Inner Fire Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.06 21:09:00 - [34] Originally by: Patch notes for Tyrannis 1.1 Optional Patch To be deployed Thursday, October 7, 2010 FIXES User Interface * It is now possible to resize pinned windows. * Itemized bookmarks can now be dragged from a location, such as a cargo hold, straight into a bookmark folder. * The overview is now forced to clean itself after you have jumped. It didn't before, which was messy. Miscellaneous * The asset window no longer goes blank if it was open while your ship was docking. #2 is good, only saw #3 once and clearing cache fixed that, never experienced #4. But as for #1 - I have the "Lock Windows When Pinned" option checked, please tell me this patch won't override that setting.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 21:35:00 - [35] Originally by: kudak'etan I have been playing eve since 2005 and I have never once seen an optional patch been deployed and have also never seen any post patch fixes being introduced so closely to the original patch release. Can you please reveal???? 1. Have you developed a new patch routine for releases for quick fixes? 2. Have you increased your workload to much to handle? 3. Are you rushing your patches for competition reasons? I love eve, don't kill it, I have never seen eve released into such a untested state, why are you having to release inncentives for players to log into the test server, are you having issues testing your own releases??? Can't pull wool over my eyes so tell me why so dramatically different to my previous 5 years of playing? We initially developed the optional client hotfix system in Oct 2007 and iterated on it in Jan 2008. We have used it since then when it's appropriate. We can only use it if the changes we are making are completely separated stand-alone client changes on one hand and stand-alone server changes on the other. As soon as there is a single coordinated client/server change then we have to go for a full patch. When we have to use a full patch then we tend to hold off on the client changes and accumulate the fixes into a larger patch, due to the overhead. With the optional client hotfixes we release often, as soon as there are tested fixes ready. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.06 21:59:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Explorer 100878: There are no details for us in this bug report. Sorry, but "Show Info window opening in center of screen, covering the scene" is not enough of a detail or what? Quote: 100913: Not reproducible. Prove with screenshot. For me it is as it is - a pile of text, without reply indentation. Actually, to make it easier for you, I just made a crude video presentation. http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Capture-2010-10-07.avi Quote: 100891: Not reproducible. 10 min... Quote: 99843: You already have a reply there. I don't consider a polite "STFU" as valid reply to obvious case for degraded functionality. (May also add "Sorry, but ..." in front of it, if you feel offended) Bughunter was able to confirm and reproduce the issue (at the time of submission), but he didn't do anything, instead he claimed that degraded functionality is intended move. -- Thanks CCP for cu

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 22:09:00 - [37] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer 100878: There are no details for us in this bug report. Sorry, but "Show Info window opening in center of screen, covering the scene" is not enough of a detail or what? I'm sorry but there is no title in the bug report and it doesn't contain this text. Please make sure it was submitted properly. BTW, I've notified the programmers. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.06 22:11:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible. http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi -- Thanks CCP for cu

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 22:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer Quote: 99843: You already have a reply there. I don't consider a polite "STFU" as valid reply to obvious case for degraded functionality. (May also add "Sorry, but ..." in front of it, if you feel offended) Bughunter was able to confirm and reproduce the issue (at the time of submission), but he didn't do anything, instead he claimed that degraded functionality is intended move. It is intended design and the response from the bug hunter is correct. Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.06 22:23:00 - [40] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer 99843: You already have a reply there. I don't consider a polite "STFU" as valid reply to obvious case for degraded functionality. (May also add "Sorry, but ..." in front of it, if you feel offended) Bughunter was able to confirm and reproduce the issue (at the time of submission), but he didn't do anything, instead he claimed that degraded functionality is intended move. It is intended design and the response from the bug hunter is correct. Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way. Degraded functionality: It's considerable harder to hit two pixels between columns, rather than the whole column header. Degraded/confused functionality: If before the doubleclick was different action from click, and they didn't interfere, now the doubleclick doing both autoresize and change sorting direction. Decide on one action, please, not both. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.06 22:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Karia Sur yup We encountered a client crash issue during the deployment dry-run testing. The schedule called for TQ to be opened at 13:40 GMT. The issue was raised to Software at 12:29 GMT and had been fixed and ported for release at 15:06 GMT. It was a very tricky issue with three different components colliding to produce a crash, which is very rare. TQ opened at 18:46 GTM and in between we rebuilt the client (binaries, installers and patches), uploaded, and download and patch tested. I actually meant why did you deploy buggy code. hmm, i didnt think that would get a reply.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.06 22:27:00 - [42] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible. http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Guru'Kha Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2010.10.06 22:38:00 - [43] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible. http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look. Burnt.... -- Guru'Kha
Jhoria Englside	Posted - 2010.10.06 23:04:00 - [44] Explowned Edit: or not
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.06 23:32:00 - [45] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible. http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look. Shakes shoulders I'm not doing anything special. Just step-by-step executing the reproduction steps from my bugreports. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Brannor McThife Caldari Lambent Enterprises Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.07 00:27:00 - [46] Originally by: oolk -No popup when you get an expedition (gotta check journal-not critical) Where did you see this??? I did exploration for the last 2 days and was moaning that I didn't get any escalations... and now I've just JC'd across the universe... How many could I have missed now... Grrrr. <whine> demands billions of isk in compensation </whine> -G

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.07 00:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible. http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look. Shakes shoulders I'm not doing anything special. Just step-by-step executing the reproduction steps from my bugreports. No, I read your bug reports; there is tremendous detail missing compared to what I saw in the video. For example, for the auto-resize issue you are experiencing then in the video you change the column order. BTW, I tried this again and I still can't reproduce this. But details are key so that we can reproduce the issues and perhaps I overlooked something in the video that the programmers will spot. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Jhoria Englside	Posted - 2010.10.07 00:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer 100891: Not reproducible. http://eve.rootdir.org/upload/Market-2010-10-07.avi Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look. Shakes shoulders I'm not doing anything special. Just step-by-step executing the reproduction steps from my bugreports. Dear Derp, I believe the word you are looking for is 'shrug'. To shake ones shoulders would just be silly. Yours Truly, Yours Truly Edit: or not
Ejit Amarr The Ascension	Posted - 2010.10.07 01:27:00 - [49] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer This patch fixes all known client issues that we are aware of were introduced in Tyrannis 1.1. So, I take it that Show Info window opened into your face is an unknown issue? Please be more specific. If I'm reading him correctly. I think he's referring to the self induced 3D EVE he is experiencing due to the consumption of large amounts of various ilegal hand made cigarettes.
De'Veldrin Minmatar CareBears on Fire The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.10.07 01:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Tonto Auri I don't consider a polite "STFU" as valid reply to obvious case for degraded functionality. (May also add "Sorry, but ..." in front of it, if you feel offended) Bughunter was able to confirm and reproduce the issue (at the time of submission), but he didn't do anything, instead he claimed that degraded functionality is intended move. Yeah our QA department doesn't like it when we say "it's working as designed" either. Unfortunately for them (and you) it is a legitimate response. --Vel
KaarBaak Minmatar Hell's Librarians Darkmatter Initiative	Posted - 2010.10.07 04:35:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Explorer Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way. With all due respect, do you use windows? Because that is not how MS Windows works. SINGLE-click column header sorts column. DOUBLE-click header sorts column twice...ascending, then descending. KB Removed. Please keep your signature completely in English. Navigator I think that core audiences in the West are big fans of simply paying that monthly subscription and getting everything, and so I think we're going to stick with that. --S
Rhaegar Thrax Gallente Militaris Industries Damu'Khonde	Posted - 2010.10.07 05:02:00 - [52] Edited by: Rhaegar Thrax on 07/10/2010 05:06:16 Edited by: Rhaegar Thrax on 07/10/2010 05:03:51 Edited by: Rhaegar Thrax on 07/10/2010 05:03:19 Wow, I'm impressed with the talkativeness from the dev team in this thread. Must say, only problem i really had was the target action window resizing every time I undocked, and the second optional patch fixed that. Now, I have something entirely different on mind, which is also related to the UI. When you're setting up the overview to show drones and wrecks, a while ago you didn't need to check "is in alliance" and "has excellent standing" in states filter. The "is in alliance" was after dominion, and "has excellent standing" was after this Tyrannis 1.1 update. Is this intentional? or is a misfortunate sneaky bug that hasn't been addressed yet? I can't see why you'd have to do this to see your own wrecks and drones, as I certainly don't want to see pilots with excellent standing and in my alliance when missioning. Gets my overview cluttered.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.07 07:22:00 - [53] I did not understand if the Developer acknowledged the bug with the Show Info window appearing always smack in the screen center. Reproduce steps: 1) Lock a rat 2) Click on the big "i" in the upper right of the screen (top of overview=>selected item) 3) The resulting info window appears at the center of the screen. 4) Move it wherever. Close it. Click the "i" again. The window will appear at the center of the screen again and again. Quote: Actually,the 1st optional patch did nothing but the 2nd was actually pretty good. It fixed 95% of the issues I had at least. Hopefully that 3rd optional will fix my remaining problems... P.S. Actually it was the third. First it was the "do nothing" optional patch. Second it was a second "do nothing" optional patch published in Oct 5 morning Third was the "fixes #2" labelled patch published later in Oct 5 and it worked. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Liandra Xi Amarr Ascendent.	Posted - 2010.10.07 08:09:00 - [54] Originally by: KaarBaak Originally by: CCP Explorer Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way. With all due respect, do you use windows? Because that is not how MS Windows works. SINGLE-click column header sorts column. DOUBLE-click header sorts column twice...ascending, then descending. KB With all due respect, but what the Dev described is EXACTLY how it works in windows. You are getting confused between clicking on the column header vs the column header seperator (the line in between the columns in the column header). Clicking on the column header changes the sort order, double clicking sorts it first one way then the other. Double clicking on the seperator though resizes the column to the left of the mouse cursor to an "auto size" that should expand/shrink the column to the exact width of the content being displayed in the column. Go check your facts again because frankly sir you are wrong and CCP are right in this instance.
Moni Toimikone Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.07 09:29:00 - [55] Edited by: Moni Toimikone on 07/10/2010 09:31:15 Originally by: KaarBaak Originally by: CCP Explorer Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way. With all due respect, do you use windows? Because that is not how MS Windows works. SINGLE-click column header sorts column. DOUBLE-click header sorts column twice...ascending, then descending. KB It actually works exactly as Explorer described it. Tested on windows explorer on xp pro sp2. Edit: Damn I'm slow :( ____________________________ Desusig by Crumplecorn

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:27:00 - [56] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look. Shakes shoulders I'm not doing anything special. Just step-by-step executing the reproduction steps from my bugreports. No, I read your bug reports; there is tremendous detail missing compared to what I saw in the video. For example, for the auto-resize issue you are experiencing then in the video you change the column order. BTW, I tried this again and I still can't reproduce this. But details are key so that we can reproduce the issues and perhaps I overlooked something in the video that the programmers will spot. After a review of your video: You open the market window, rearrange the columns and then you manually resize the price column. Manually resizing the column turns off auto resizing. That's nothing new, it was like that before Tyrannis 1.1. Your bug report went from Not Reproducible to By Design. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.07 10:29:00 - [57] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I did not understand if the Developer acknowledged the bug with the Show Info window appearing always smack in the screen center. Yes, we are aware of that issue. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Jack Gilligan Caldari 1st Cavalry Division Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.10.07 11:51:00 - [58] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tonto Auri Originally by: CCP Explorer Fortunately your videos are much better than your bug reports. I'll ask the programmers to take a look. Shakes shoulders I'm not doing anything special. Just step-by-step executing the reproduction steps from my bugreports. No, I read your bug reports; there is tremendous detail missing compared to what I saw in the video. For example, for the auto-resize issue you are experiencing then in the video you change the column order. BTW, I tried this again and I still can't reproduce this. But details are key so that we can reproduce the issues and perhaps I overlooked something in the video that the programmers will spot. After a review of your video: You open the market window, rearrange the columns and then you manually resize the price column. Manually resizing the column turns off auto resizing. That's nothing new, it was like that before Tyrannis 1.1. Your bug report went from Not Reproducible to By Design. Did you used to work for SOE or something? Their term for a problem they don't want to fix is call it "working as intended". Now that you describe it, this happens to me too, it's annoying and the screen shouldn't do that.
I'thari Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:14:00 - [59] Originally by: CCP Explorer Manually resizing the column turns off auto resizing. hmm... I have a stupid question then: how to re-enable auto resizing?
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:22:00 - [60] Hmm, now when i drag an item from the assets window into the cargohold or fitting screen, the assets window jumps to the top and then back down to wherever it was. (eg. if you have 50 items in your assets and you drag #45, the window jumps up to the top and then back to the level that item #45 was at.) Its annoying as hell.
Wrathchyld	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:27:00 - [61] I misunderstood what this 3rd patch was since I didn't see that there would even be a 3rd patch and didn't install it on one of my installations..... is this going to be available for manual download or what? ... so far on patches I don't see my current version 185669, only the one 4 patches ago
Pagliotti44	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:31:00 - [62] Downloaded 3rd patch,Now i have 2 of every station and every gate. Was not like that yesterday with 2nd patch,uninstalled and it went back to the way it was before all the patches. Sighs
Frankie iCoRy	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:35:00 - [63] well after the 2 optional patches my cargo windows or secure container windows or wreck windows are literally **ed up and it's anoying.I hope that issue will be solved with todays patch!And im ed off!Back in 2009 when i started the game EVERYTHING was just fine...from then all I see patches that make this game an anoying little **! sorry to say this in the angry way maybe this way i will get any atention from ccp Now i feel sorry that i patched the game!
Frankie iCoRy	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:38:00 - [64] i really dont understand how can something broke what was working just fine...example: window memoryzation!?
Pedro Tastical Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:40:00 - [65] Originally by: Wrathchyld I misunderstood what this 3rd patch was since I didn't see that there would even be a 3rd patch and didn't install it on one of my installations..... is this going to be available for manual download or what? ... so far on patches I don't see my current version 185669, only the one 4 patches ago Log into the game and open the Esc menu. There should be a button to click that says 'there is an optional patch available' or something similar.
Keil metwo Minmatar Retribution. Inc. R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:47:00 - [66] Originally by: Pagliotti44 Downloaded 3rd patch,Now i have 2 of every station and every gate. Was not like that yesterday with 2nd patch,uninstalled and it went back to the way it was before all the patches. Sighs you can click in space, hit tab twice. and it will remove the double listings. I know it's not a solid fix. but at least you won't have to see double all the time.
Wrathchyld	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:48:00 - [67] yeah a corpie told me about it when I logged on... thnks tho Pedro
Ja'thaal Deathbringer	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:51:00 - [68] Is there a way to download all the optional patches? I got impatient after DT ran a bit long and I had things to do in game, so I clicked no, so now my UI is back to being broken. Please help
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:55:00 - [69] Quote: i really dont understand how can something broke what was working just fine...example: window memoryzation!? This is easy to explain. Behind the UI management there used to be the "usual" dinosaur age spaghetti code that was kicked again and again thru the years till it behaved. Now CCP want to "scrub off" those elder remains, probably to make it easier to add incarna and whatever in a second time. So they changed how the code manages the UI "behind the hood" (it's called refactoring), replacing it with new code made from scratch. Now, even if the new code could be better structured and more open to future expansions / debugging, it IS new and being new it usually contains bugs. It's like we went back to EvE UI beta, but this time the server is "for real" and thus players get affected in large numbers even with smaller bugs. Now, being it like a new software, even little / stupid things like window placement can be broken and need to be fixed. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Hesidan Inferno Technologies	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:58:00 - [70] That¦s hilarious. Even the third patch of the patch did not fix all bugs. Maybe tomorrow there is another one or the day after. At least I hope this. Still unfixed: - answering to an mail an pressing enter is like a blender for the whole text - if you set in the options not to use the same info window, still the sizes are not saved, if you set it everything is fine but holding every time shift to open several of them is quite annoying - If you want to set a channel topic and mark text, click right to link it to a solar system, yeah you guessed right there is a bug So gogogo for the last Bugs
The Ficus	Posted - 2010.10.07 12:59:00 - [71] Edited by: The Ficus on 07/10/2010 13:00:29 Quote: hmm... I have a stupid question then: how to re-enable auto resizing? I believe it should go back to auto-resize if you click (or double-click?) the little divider area at the top of the column header. ______________ Name_______ \| \| <--- that little area next to the column dividers.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:00:00 - [72] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: i really dont understand how can something broke what was working just fine...example: window memoryzation!? This is easy to explain. Behind the UI management there used to be the "usual" dinosaur age spaghetti code that was kicked again and again thru the years till it behaved. Now CCP want to "scrub off" those elder remains, probably to make it easier to add incarna and whatever in a second time. So they changed how the code manages the UI "behind the hood" (it's called refactoring), replacing it with new code made from scratch. Now, even if the new code could be better structured and more open to future expansions / debugging, it IS new and being new it usually contains bugs. It's like we went back to EvE UI beta, but this time the server is "for real" and thus players get affected in large numbers even with smaller bugs. Now, being it like a new software, even little / stupid things like window placement can be broken and need to be fixed. thats all feasible and acceptable imo.....however, these bugs should have been sorted on the test server when they were noticed, and not deployed onto TQ. Its like distributing a car that you know has braking problems and yet you still go ahead with it.
C09	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:01:00 - [73] Is possible that you finally find the way to fix that damn position and dimension of the jetcan, giant secure and station container windows before i went crazy???!!!??? thanx
Steijn Minmatar Quay Industries	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:03:00 - [74] Originally by: C09 Is possible that you finally find the way to fix that damn position and dimension of the jetcan, giant secure and station container windows before i went crazy???!!!??? thanx #2 fixed that for me.

CCP Bella Bee	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:05:00 - [75] Originally by: Ja'thaal Deathbringer Is there a way to download all the optional patches? I got impatient after DT ran a bit long and I had things to do in game, so I clicked no, so now my UI is back to being broken. Please help The current optional patch will contain all the fixes released in the preceding optional patches. You can install it from the Esc menu, under General Settings.

ivar R'dhak	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:07:00 - [76] How can I be sure the optional patches were actually applied? My system developed a "patch immunity" to the normal patches. Only can do them when downloading and applying them in safe mode! Is the version number visible in the upper left the one from the normal patches or does it increase after the optional patch too? _________________________________________________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Marli Khan	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:08:00 - [77] Not 100% sure if it's patch related, but after installing patch #3 neither my assets nor the market would load. My wallet, orders, transactions, journal and local all loaded, but right-clicking on my orders produced no menu. Running repair.exe fixed the issues I was having.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:10:00 - [78] Quote: Its like distributing a car that you know has braking problems and yet you still go ahead with it Oh, but they do that. I am a programmer developing software for large car manufacturing brands production lines. Regardless of brand, they WILL happily ship defective stuff (and force us to "relax" quality control parameters) expecially in periods the market is good and they can't produce quick enough. The idea is this: it yields much more money to cash in now and sell 1M cars and eventually recall 2000 of them and pay an handful of deaths than waiting for quality new components to be available and basically lose the favorable sales train of the moment. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz

CCP Stillman	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:12:00 - [79] Originally by: Pagliotti44 Downloaded 3rd patch,Now i have 2 of every station and every gate. Was not like that yesterday with 2nd patch,uninstalled and it went back to the way it was before all the patches. Sighs Please run repair.exe and clear your cache. If that doesn't fix the issue, please let me know, as we had a fix for that in this optional patch.

Cresalle	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:14:00 - [80] The bugs that are actually annoying all still exist. Forcing the overview to refresh in order to try to clear the dual-load bug IS BAD PROGRAMMING. You don't change a program to work with a bug. You FIX THE BUG. What's the point of even refactoring if it's being done improperly? Anyway, I reported these in the earlier patch thread but I'll report them here again. [li]Dragging and dropping an item does not play the 'drop' sfx.[/li] [li]Chat window font in the typing area is squished horzontally, making it very difficult to read what you're typing.[/li] [li]When the UI experiences its random epileptic fits after using the scanner/system map sometimes windows are thrown clear off the screen and cannot be reached except by ctl+tab. Ctl+tab causes the lost windows to re-enter the screen. (Haven't seen this yet since second optional patch, but I haven't been scanning.)[/li] [li]Show-info windows do not remember position, but rather locate themselves so that the protrait is centered on-screen.[/li] [li]The underlined links look stupid, but if you insist on keeping them then please make the underline persist for the whole item name rather than break on each word.[/li]
Johnny B'Sorta'Good	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:18:00 - [81] Here's one specific question, and I'll address it directly rather than whining about it... ALL containers (secure cans, freight containers, station containers etc.) open in the SAME PLACE, which really messes with organization. Before the "big patch" I could have a station container pop up in one particular place, then open another one that would appear in a different place (so I could easily move from one to another), and open the secure can I keep in my cargo hold to unload mission loot into the station container. Wrecks and cargo containers (jettisoned cans) should open in the same place. I get that. But secure cans, station containers, etc. used to have their own separate settings. PLEASE restore this function... for the sake of those of us who clean up our wrecks in missions and leave space feeling fresh and unpolluted. Thanks!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:19:00 - [82] Since the latest Tyrannis and including these optional patches, my UI shows "chewed" characters in constrained places like i.e. some tabs and some overview rows. Even before entering the game, the character information about the current pilot in the log in screen (ie where the pilot is, his wallet etc) right to his portrait shows compressed. This only after latest Tyrannis as well. This happens on 2 well different computers, one with Win 7 64 the other with Win 7 32 bit. One has a Nvidia 9600 the other an Nvidia ION, both with updated drivers. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
zandayus	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:21:00 - [83] see what happens when you use dynamic flutter.such is the arrogance of your technology.
Frankie iCoRy	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:22:00 - [84] Originally by: Johnny B'Sorta'Good Here's one specific question, and I'll address it directly rather than whining about it... ALL containers (secure cans, freight containers, station containers etc.) open in the SAME PLACE, which really messes with organization. Before the "big patch" I could have a station container pop up in one particular place, then open another one that would appear in a different place (so I could easily move from one to another), and open the secure can I keep in my cargo hold to unload mission loot into the station container. Wrecks and cargo containers (jettisoned cans) should open in the same place. I get that. But secure cans, station containers, etc. used to have their own separate settings. PLEASE restore this function... for the sake of those of us who clean up our wrecks in missions and leave space feeling fresh and unpolluted. Thanks! YEEESSSSSS somobody has a better englsih then mine and explained corectly in 1 words SAME ISSUE here and its anoying as HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ivar R'dhak	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:22:00 - [85] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Regardless of brand, they WILL happily ship defective stuff (and force us to "relax" quality control parameters) expecially in periods the market is good and they can't produce quick enough. GAWD don¦t remind me about it, right out of fracking Fight Club! BTW you guys buying new cars, rejoice! Because to reduce the all-mighty "world destroying" carbon footprint all new cars will have a new refrigerating fluid in their air-conditioning that turns into hydrofluoric acid when it happens to leak onto the hot motor block. It¦s the brand new world-wide standard. Awesome. _________________________________________________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Veilag	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:25:00 - [86] Originally by: Johnny B'Sorta'Good Here's one specific question, and I'll address it directly rather than whining about it... ALL containers (secure cans, freight containers, station containers etc.) open in the SAME PLACE, which really messes with organization. Before the "big patch" I could have a station container pop up in one particular place, then open another one that would appear in a different place (so I could easily move from one to another), and open the secure can I keep in my cargo hold to unload mission loot into the station container. Wrecks and cargo containers (jettisoned cans) should open in the same place. I get that. But secure cans, station containers, etc. used to have their own separate settings. PLEASE restore this function... for the sake of those of us who clean up our wrecks in missions and leave space feeling fresh and unpolluted. Thanks! both of these were fixed with patch #2 for me.
Cresalle	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:28:00 - [87] Originally by: ivar R'dhak BTW you guys buying new cars, rejoice! Because to reduce the all-mighty "world destroying" carbon footprint all new cars will have a new refrigerating fluid in their air-conditioning What on earth are you talking about?
Elilil	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:35:00 - [88] Hi, When I started EVE up, after DT, I noticed a new patch. Due to some human actions I declined the patch. Is there a way to reapply the patch? TIA
ivar R'dhak	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:43:00 - [89] Originally by: Cresalle Originally by: ivar R'dhak BTW you guys buying new cars, rejoice! Because to reduce the all-mighty "world destroying" carbon footprint all new cars will have a new refrigerating fluid in their air-conditioning What on earth are you talking about? Go to this thread to discuss it please. _________________________________________________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
L4mpin3	Posted - 2010.10.07 13:53:00 - [90] Oh great, after the third optional update, i have disconnects, 7 in the last 20 minutes. Clearing the cache, repairtool and reinstall EVE didn't help. Thanks for this unplayable Version! There are other players with the same problem. The internetconnetction works fine.
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2010.10.07 14:18:00 - [91] Originally by: Cresalle Forcing the overview to refresh in order to try to clear the dual-load bug IS BAD PROGRAMMING. You don't change a program to work with a bug. You FIX THE BUG. This explains one of my bugs from yesterday. Even in hi-sec I was experiencing extremely long delays after jumping in populated hi-sec systems (market hubs). It lead to a couple of client crashes where it just closed socket, closed the whole eve window, and relaunched like I had hit 'relog'. Ironically it wasn't bad at all in lowsec and 0.0 when I headed out.
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.10.07 14:41:00 - [92] Originally by: Cresalle You don't change a program to work with a bug. You FIX THE BUG. What's the point of even refactoring if it's being done improperly? Lol. Sadly half of EVe ''works'' this way.
Strazdas Unstoppable	Posted - 2010.10.07 14:47:00 - [93] awasome, i pressed no to update the path and it told me its going to delete path #2. well i dont want to delete it, it worked. there is no frigging cancel button, so now i am forced to install path #3. something new from CCP every day.
Uncle Darkness	Posted - 2010.10.07 14:52:00 - [94] Edited by: Uncle Darkness on 07/10/2010 14:54:43 The EVE was playable on my Thinkpad X200 till the release of 1.1. Then the crashes started. I can't play for almost a week. It's annoying. Optional patches (all three of them) doesn't help. I've written a petition, but they told me it's because I use Intel graphics. So, why it was working before? Why there's no information anywhere, that EVE doesn't work properly with Intel graphics? CCP please, fix the game I've payed for, as soon as possible. Thank you in advance.
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.07 14:55:00 - [95] Originally by: Uncle Darkness The EVE was playable on my Thinkpad X200 till the release of 1.1. Then the crashes started. I can't play for almost a week. It's annoying. Optional patches (all three of them) doesn't help. I've written a petition, but they told me it's because I use Intel graphics. So, why it was working before? Why there's no information anywhere, that EVE doesn't work properly with Intel graphics? CCP please, fix the game i payed for, as soon as possible. Thank you in advance. I'm not aware of any intel graphic processors that are decent at best. You might just have been extremely lucky to be able to play it before. ------
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce	Posted - 2010.10.07 15:05:00 - [96] The assets window keeps raising itself into the foreground whenever items are being move between different hangars. By the way, "It is highly recommended that all players download and apply this optional patch." - why is a highly recommended patch made optional? Do you want to leave yourself the option of people reporting old bugs to you or do you only enjoy being stupid? --
Conrad Peet	Posted - 2010.10.07 15:16:00 - [97] I've come to the conclusion that this forum is full of whiny *****es who don't understand a thing about game development, running a business or even programming in general. But still pay 15/30/45 bucks a month. Outstanding job, CCP. The more money you take from these saps the less they have to spend on going outside which gives the rest of us a nice buffer from having to deal with their miserable attitudes in person.
Solostrom	Posted - 2010.10.07 15:30:00 - [98] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Guilliman R Did you, you know, test this patch? Yes, we did. Quote: Can you tell me there wont be any bugs with this patch, There are no new bugs in this patch to the best of our knowledge. Quote: and it fixes all the bugs your last big patch and optional patches introduced? This patch fixes all known client issues that we are aware of were introduced in Tyrannis 1.1. Total lie on the yes we tested thing. Opening EvE and trying to write a mail or notepad completely proves this fact.
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.07 15:39:00 - [99] newest patch: -still race condition when docking a pod - you get 2 noobships (even when there already are ships in that station), but only one is real, for the lol this time one appeared repackaged and one assembled ... I bought ship in that station a minute before docking Assets window keeps jumping to the front when wallet updates, really helpfull when you are in teh middle of making new market order
Admiral Kolt Amarr	Posted - 2010.10.07 15:43:00 - [100] In the Russian localization has an error "млн" instead of "мин" in timer.
Buck Marui Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.10.07 15:45:00 - [101] Originally by: Conrad Peet Edited by: Conrad Peet on 07/10/2010 15:18:17 I've come to the conclusion that this forum is full of whiny bftches who don't understand a thing about game development or programming in general. But still pay 15/30/45 bucks a month. Outstanding job, CCP. The more money you take from these saps the less they have to spend on going outside which gives the rest of us a nice buffer from having to deal with their miserable attitudes in person. I can confirm that because I spent money on my EVE subscription this month I cannot afford to go outside and that your comment was in no way a dumb thing to type in a patch feedback thread
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:15:00 - [102] Edited by: Tonto Auri on 07/10/2010 16:21:16 Originally by: CCP Explorer No, I read your bug reports; there is tremendous detail missing compared to what I saw in the video. For example, for the auto-resize issue you are experiencing then in the video you change the column order. Doubt it's critical. I can reproduce it in any window. Originally by: CCP Explorer After a review of your video: You open the market window, rearrange the columns and then you manually resize the price column. Manually resizing the column turns off auto resizing. That's nothing new, it was like that before Tyrannis 1.1. Your bug report went from Not Reproducible to By Design. I do NOT manually resize it. I let it to automatically resize! Doubleclick, not click+drag. Let me repeat necessary steps. 1. Doubleclick column resize handler to make it autoadjust. 2. Make it to display the string far longer than it's current width. String will be cut. By default, out from start, the autoresize seems to be working, but once you start playing with column width by yourself, it's no longer possible to turn the column back to autoresize. I doubt that being unable to return to the original behavior without wiping all your settings is "by design", unless you intentionally designing unusable interface. -- Thanks CCP for cu
The Ficus	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:31:00 - [103] Edited by: The Ficus on 07/10/2010 16:32:34 Quote: By default, out from start, the autoresize seems to be working, but once you start playing with column width by yourself, it's no longer possible to turn the column back to autoresize. Yes, it is possible. It goes back to auto-resize if you double-click the little divider area at the top of the column header. ______________ Name_______\|_\| <--- that little area. Right next to the column dividers. After this, it will automatically resize to accommodate the largest width in the column, and retains the auto-resize setting.
Hordi LaGeorge	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:33:00 - [104] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Hordi LaGeorge So far each patch has improved eve for me. The original 1.1 patch cleared up all my constant client crashes, making eve much more enjoyable to play. But it did add the UI bugs, which have been slowly going away. CCP: Will patch #3 fix bug #101533? Don't know, I've notified the programmers. Nope. Still there. BTW this is my bug report on the multiple container window bug. To see the bug: Open at least 2 containers, move their windows to desired locations, close them both, and reopen them both. They will not be where you moved them. Also still there: Shift-drag sometimes not splitting stacks (Bug report 101111). PI items disappearing (bug report 100281). That one is not as bad as it sounds, they can just disappear from the list, not the game. I can work around these bugs, so I can see why CCP is not getting to them when there are others getting crashes and DC's. But they are annoying.
Tathyn Minmatar ADS Corp	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:42:00 - [105] Edited by: Tathyn on 07/10/2010 16:44:45 Well, installed the third patch ... cleared cache ... ran repair.exe ... and still have doubled entries in my overview. Things were fine for about ten minutes of playtime and now doubled again. The corporate wallet transactions are still messed up too, but I didn't expect that to be fixed. I know how to program visual basic and don't mind moving to Iceland; can I haz a job? edit 'cause an eyeroll seemed appropriate.
Bremen Nacht Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:46:00 - [106] So this new optional patch did nothing. I still am unable to play the game since the first patch I keep getting disconnects where the game stops responding and closes. I have sent in petitions with all the details requested: Sent - 10/2/2010 4:48:00 PM Thank you for contacting customer support. In order to try solve this problem we will need some information about your computer. 1. Please run the DirectX diagnostics tool: Press 'Start' and select 'run'. Type dxdiag and hit enter. When you do this, a window will pop up. 2. Click the "Save All Information" button that's located in its lower right corner. 3. Then attach the file to the e-mail and send us. In order to thoroughly test your connection to the EVE server then I recommend that you download a program called pingplotter which is available here http://www.pingplotter.com/downloads/pngplt_2.exe If you are running a hardware firewall (SPI Firewall) on your router you will need to disable it, as otherwise this program won't work. After starting up pingplotter do the following in the program: 1) Under "Adress to trace" put the following value in the box: 87.237.38.200 2) In the bottom left corner in the box "# of times to trace" put the value Unlimited 3) In the bottom left corner in the box "Trace Intervals" change it to 2.5 seconds 4) In the bottom left corner in the box "Samples to include" change it to 1500. 5) Click on "Trace" button in the bottom left corner. When you've suffered a disconnection save the results as the sample set ( pp2 ) attach the file to the petition and send us. Best regards, Senior GM Retrofire EVE Online Customer Support Done all that had no response since. Plenty of other people having the same problem. Are you just hoping we will all go away so you don't have to fix it? I have three accounts and I can't use any of them Logged on today at 17:38 client closes at 17:41
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:49:00 - [107] Originally by: The Ficus Quote: By default, out from start, the autoresize seems to be working, but once you start playing with column width by yourself, it's no longer possible to turn the column back to autoresize. Yes, it is possible. It goes back to auto-resize if you double-click the little divider area at the top of the column header. ______________ Name_______\|_\| <--- that little area. Right next to the column dividers. After this, it will automatically resize to accommodate the largest width in the column, and retains the auto-resize setting. Did you TRIED it before spitting words from your mouth? -- Thanks CCP for cu
The Ficus	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:54:00 - [108] Quote: Did you TRIED it before spitting words from your mouth? Yup. I did TRY it. Tried it last time I posted it, tried it again before and after I posted it the second time. I've tried it with opening/closing the windows in question, and logging out and back in. Still works fine. For me at least.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.07 16:58:00 - [109] Originally by: The Ficus Quote: Did you TRIED it before spitting words from your mouth? Yup. I did TRY it. Then try it again. Open Market Show Tritanium (Hopefully there's no idiots selling 1 trit for 1bil in your region) Doubleclick to autoresize price. Show (PLEX) Look at price column width. Open your cargohold. Doubleclick Name column to autoresize. Fill it with goods. Open... anything. It's consistent. -- Thanks CCP for cu
The Ficus	Posted - 2010.10.07 17:03:00 - [110] Quote: Then try it again. Open Market Show Tritanium (Hopefully there's no idiots selling 1 trit for 1bil in your region) Doubleclick to autoresize price. Show (PLEX) Look at price column width. I did exactly what you did in your video to test it, and it works fine for me. After manual resizing and doubleclicking, the column automatically becomes wider when viewing the PLEX and narrower when viewing the Tritanium.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.07 17:07:00 - [111] Originally by: The Ficus Quote: Then try it again. Open Market Show Tritanium (Hopefully there's no idiots selling 1 trit for 1bil in your region) Doubleclick to autoresize price. Show (PLEX) Look at price column width. I did exactly what you did in your video to test it, and it works fine for me. After manual resizing and doubleclicking, the column automatically becomes wider when viewing the PLEX and narrower when viewing the Tritanium. Try clearing cache? For me, it does not. -- Thanks CCP for cu
The Ficus	Posted - 2010.10.07 17:12:00 - [112] Quote: Try clearing cache? For me, it does not. I dunno. I'm afraid to clear my cache if it means I'll start getting more bugs than I already have. :P
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.07 17:16:00 - [113] C.A. Developer who replied earlier. Two more bugs: 1) Dropping ammo on the turrets in the fitting window does not make the "BZRPPP!" noise. It's mute now. 2) Activating single module overheating by clicking in the green little moon above the module looks somewhat wrong: the hotspot area looks like shifted or reduced by 2 pixels in its bottom boundary, so it's harder to enable than before. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
henchana	Posted - 2010.10.07 17:17:00 - [114] Firstly: Shut the foot up! Quote: Now go play Finaly I must add: Carthago delenda est!
henchana	Posted - 2010.10.07 17:23:00 - [115] Gues what, I deployed the third patch and opening 4 containers still makes exefick.exe crash As for now I am NOT renewing my subscription in december! I put on JARHEAD instead! CarEvEgo delenda est!
GunHavoC	Posted - 2010.10.07 17:48:00 - [116] Originally by: Johnny B'Sorta'Good Here's one specific question, and I'll address it directly rather than whining about it... ALL containers (secure cans, freight containers, station containers etc.) open in the SAME PLACE, which really messes with organization. Before the "big patch" I could have a station container pop up in one particular place, then open another one that would appear in a different place (so I could easily move from one to another), and open the secure can I keep in my cargo hold to unload mission loot into the station container. Wrecks and cargo containers (jettisoned cans) should open in the same place. I get that. But secure cans, station containers, etc. used to have their own separate settings. PLEASE restore this function... for the sake of those of us who clean up our wrecks in missions and leave space feeling fresh and unpolluted. Thanks! I have the exact same issues. None of the 3 optional patches has fixed it. Some window positions are tied in together no matter what you try to separate them. They will sometimes remember their sizes, but never save their separate positions. It's not only the wreck/loot and station containers too, the ship maintenance array window on my orca is also locked into the same window info. The UI needs a complete overhaul. People have been screaming about it for years already. I had UI issues even before the big patch but at least it was manageable after hours of moving and resizing windows. This is not going to be an easy fix considering based on everyone I play with and from what I've been reading on the forums, everyone has different issues witht he UI. Frustratingly enough, some have no issues with it at all.
Lolion Reglo Interstellar Waffle Conglomerate	Posted - 2010.10.07 18:32:00 - [117] Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: i really dont understand how can something broke what was working just fine...example: window memoryzation!? This is easy to explain. Behind the UI management there used to be the "usual" dinosaur age spaghetti code that was kicked again and again thru the years till it behaved. Now CCP want to "scrub off" those elder remains, probably to make it easier to add incarna and whatever in a second time. So they changed how the code manages the UI "behind the hood" (it's called refactoring), replacing it with new code made from scratch. Now, even if the new code could be better structured and more open to future expansions / debugging, it IS new and being new it usually contains bugs. It's like we went back to EvE UI beta, but this time the server is "for real" and thus players get affected in large numbers even with smaller bugs. Now, being it like a new software, even little / stupid things like window placement can be broken and need to be fixed. thats all feasible and acceptable imo.....however, these bugs should have been sorted on the test server when they were noticed, and not deployed onto TQ. Its like distributing a car that you know has braking problems and yet you still go ahead with it. What quite a few people in this thread fail to realize is the sheer amount of time it would take to find every last bug in the software BEFORE it is deployed. The QA and bug hunters main job before a patch is deployed is to sort out a lot of the major bugs that are found that would keep the product from working at all. there is a lot of code that goes in a game like this... if i recall its around 65,000 lines? so to go through all of that to see and the new additions would be ill practical of time. the process of building something and then letting issues arise and taking care of them when they do is the fastest cheapest and most efficient way of debugging software. because then instead of sifting through all that code you can go straight to where the problem is and fix it. Yes it so happens that this time around the code had more visible bugs to us than normal. but for them hot fixing the code twice a week and the vast majority of us not even noticing it i say is a feat well done. that and they have busted their asses to get us these patches to fix the UI a hell of a lot faster than ive seen other companies with MMOs do it. so be patient and realize that they are doing a lot of work to try and keep us happy... even if some of you guys are 12 year old, self important, feeling like you deserve everything ass holes. lol.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.07 18:56:00 - [118] Originally by: Lolion Reglo What quite a few people in this thread fail to realize is the sheer amount of time it would take to find every last bug in the software BEFORE it is deployed. What YOU failed to realize, is that most of these issues was KNOWN and REPORTED a MONTH (and half) ago. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Sybil Harman	Posted - 2010.10.07 20:11:00 - [119] Originally by: Lolion Reglo What quite a few people in this thread fail to realize <snip> tl;dr; and clearly written by a moron Yup. I for one am extremely grateful to CCP for breaking a working UI then taking 3 patches, only some of which actually worked, to mostly restore it back to its working state. Special congratulations are due to QA for signing off on a release that every player realised was broken within minutes of logging in as windows jumped about like someone on crack! Well done CCP. You make me proud.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.07 20:22:00 - [120] Overview items doubling on undock (since Oct 5). Cache was cleared before Oct 7 update. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.10.07 21:34:00 - [121] Originally by: Whitehound The assets window keeps raising itself into the foreground whenever items are being move between different hangars. By the way, "It is highly recommended that all players download and apply this optional patch." - why is a highly recommended patch made optional? Do you want to leave yourself the option of people reporting old bugs to you or do you only enjoy being stupid? Because the process for deploying an optional patch takes only a few minutes, whereas deploying a full blown patch requires 4 hours. Or so Explorer said earlier in this thread. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Gharib Ghar	Posted - 2010.10.07 21:37:00 - [122] The only problem I seem to have is the overview doubling on me, stations and gates in the wrong systems, and for some reason my bm's didn't transfer and copy into my cargo.
Lolmer Amarr HyDrive Subsidiaries Joint Control Air Support	Posted - 2010.10.07 21:50:00 - [123] Edited by: Lolmer on 07/10/2010 21:52:07 Edited by: Lolmer on 07/10/2010 21:51:01 Originally by: Hesidan Still unfixed: - answering to an mail an pressing enter is like a blender for the whole text I thought it was just my Mac's over-sensitive touchpad moving the text around while I typed... I've also noticed when selecting an item at the beginning or end of my inventory and using SHIFT+Click to select another item further up (or down) the list (having to scroll), I then get all of my items selected in the inventory, not just the ones between endpoints.
ufkhg	Posted - 2010.10.07 22:03:00 - [124] anyone else get no patch at all? on saying no to the latest patch(3rd?) it erased the patch that actually did work for me???? now i have no levels showing in the certificate planner, again.
Slach	Posted - 2010.10.07 22:11:00 - [125] Do we just have to get lucky to get the patch/patch/patch or can we actually download it somewhere. It doesn't just pop up and patch like other patches. Can you specify the patch/patch/patch client version? Can you please start patching right instead of spending 1 minute on a patch every single day or so? Do you even care about your paying customers at all? If so, then care more than 1 minute please.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.07 22:14:00 - [126] ESC / General Settings (middle/bottom)
Veilag	Posted - 2010.10.07 22:17:00 - [127] Hmm, this is a new one for me. I have 2 accounts which use the same client, both had problems with the windows popping up everywhere. Downloaded patch #2 and todays #3, 1 account has windows still popping up everywhere, the other is perfect and has no bugs at all from what i can see.
Slach	Posted - 2010.10.07 22:19:00 - [128] Originally by: ufkhg anyone else get no patch at all? on saying no to the latest patch(3rd?) it erased the patch that actually did work for me???? now i have no levels showing in the certificate planner, again. I'm guessing the patch was such a colossal screw up 1 minute lol fix that they stopped offering it. Probably broke the remaining 3 things in the game which were not bugged yet.
Veilag	Posted - 2010.10.07 22:20:00 - [129] patch is available when you log in, press esc and goto general settings.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.07 22:40:00 - [130] Originally by: C09 Is possible that you finally find the way to fix that damn position and dimension of the jetcan, giant secure and station container windows before i went crazy???!!!??? thanx Yes, we have fixed that internally and will most likely deploy the fix next Tue. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.07 22:42:00 - [131] Originally by: Elilil Edited by: Elilil on 07/10/2010 13:39:01 Hi, When I started EVE up, after DT, I noticed a new patch. Due to some human actions I declined the patch. Is there a way to reapply the patch? ESC - General Settings - Bottom of mid-column. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Panhead4411	Posted - 2010.10.07 22:51:00 - [132] Originally by: Captian Conrad This, but kudos to CCP on rapid patch fixing Practice makes perfect right? Anyone else reminded of the subtitles from Python's Holy Grail? ---------- We apologise for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible have been sacked. Mynd you, m00se bites Kan be pretty nasti ... We apologise again for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked. ... The directors of the firm hired to continue the credits after the other people had been sacked, with it to be known that they have just been sacked. The credits have been completed in an entirely different style at great expense and at the last minute. ---------
Venge Dahveed	Posted - 2010.10.08 00:56:00 - [133] Edited by: Venge Dahveed on 08/10/2010 01:02:42 For what it's worth, I wonder how much of the problem can be due to individual computer setup (OS, etc.)? I have a Mac Pro and MacBook Pro, and have very few problems on either of them - none of which affect game play. I left the graveyard sewer of Windows years ago and won't ever go back. The trash that accumulates in the Bill Gates curse on humanity called "Windows" is a constant source of pain and suffering in the world. I bet my last pirate destroyed ship that much of the problem is due to the fact that (for now) mankind is still shackled to Windows. I'm sure most of you are aware of the bugs that grow inside Windows and that regularly require an insecticide (I use System Mechanic generally). Just for grins, do a full System Mechanic scan, fix the problems that WILL be found in your Windows OS, and try again. The ONLY real problems I've had occur when I quit the game. It sometimes hangs and forces me to shutdown the system. But then as I said, gameplay is not affected. A couple of minor nuisances are present from time to time, but all in all they are negligible. I fully understand the severity of the frustration many may be having. I simply don't see the problems on my particular two Macs. Thank God for Apple. REPENT of your use of Windows and embrace the superiority of the Mac!
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.10.08 02:08:00 - [134] Originally by: Aessoroz I can't believe these things are actually optional patches. I just discovered that it is NOT optional. I declined so-called optional patch #3 because optional patch #2 fixed the problems I was having. When I declined, the client told me that it had to restart to remove the old patch because it was no longer compatible. Now I have no patches and no prompt to install patch #3.
tyler6631 Caldari	Posted - 2010.10.08 02:51:00 - [135] i still have two problems with my UI still. first off my cap once it's drained it acts funny. it will say i have no cap but when i'm actually about half full of cap. then i kick on my booster it will start to fill back up until it goes all the way up and and keep running. it fixs it's self once i dock. then if i drain my cap it happens again. Also i have doubles in my overview once in a while. not sure of the cause but it happens once in a great while.
Lee Anderson Caldari Poisoned.AfterLife.	Posted - 2010.10.08 02:55:00 - [136] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: kudak'etan I have been playing eve since 2005 and I have never once seen an optional patch been deployed and have also never seen any post patch fixes being introduced so closely to the original patch release. Can you please reveal???? 1. Have you developed a new patch routine for releases for quick fixes? 2. Have you increased your workload to much to handle? 3. Are you rushing your patches for competition reasons? I love eve, don't kill it, I have never seen eve released into such a untested state, why are you having to release inncentives for players to log into the test server, are you having issues testing your own releases??? Can't pull wool over my eyes so tell me why so dramatically different to my previous 5 years of playing? We initially developed the optional client hotfix system in Oct 2007 and iterated on it in Jan 2008. We have used it since then when it's appropriate. We can only use it if the changes we are making are completely separated stand-alone client changes on one hand and stand-alone server changes on the other. As soon as there is a single coordinated client/server change then we have to go for a full patch. When we have to use a full patch then we tend to hold off on the client changes and accumulate the fixes into a larger patch, due to the overhead. With the optional client hotfixes we release often, as soon as there are tested fixes ready. Great job CCP for implementing this, save's us from downloading a full client :) O_O
darkmatter456	Posted - 2010.10.08 03:13:00 - [137] Edited by: darkmatter456 on 08/10/2010 03:15:05 This patch is causing me not being able to log on. The system said that there is error and kicks me off.
Swidgen	Posted - 2010.10.08 03:13:00 - [138] So the overview cleans itself now after jumping into a new system, that's wonderful. Too bad it doesn't always clean itself when you undock. "Let's fix this one specific instance where the session changes. Wait... you mean there are other times when the session can change too?" It's good to know someone is at least trying to work on the problems, even if it is some kid. Or maybe a monkey. Or even a hamster. The end result is the same so it's hard to guess. I would much rather have these optional patches iterated every week if progress is made, instead of waiting weeks between full client patch downloads. On the other hand, it does seem as though we are paying you to be beta testers, so who knows if it's really a good thing or not.
ForgeMind	Posted - 2010.10.08 04:39:00 - [139] So if you don't down load the third optional patch the first time it doesn't ask again and the patch on the website is just the 1.1 patch. Any idea where or how i get this third patch?
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.10.08 05:58:00 - [140] Originally by: ForgeMind So if you don't down load the third optional patch the first time it doesn't ask again and the patch on the website is just the 1.1 patch. Any idea where or how i get this third patch? Jebus crist, some of you are really daft. Is it the first time you use a forum? Do you really think you are the only one with this problem? Scroll up, read the rest of this topic. The answer is there multiple times.
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.08 07:27:00 - [141] Originally by: Swidgen So the overview cleans itself now after jumping into a new system, that's wonderful. Too bad it doesn't always clean itself when you undock. "Let's fix this one specific instance where the session changes. Wait... you mean there are other times when the session can change too?" It's good to know someone is at least trying to work on the problems, even if it is some kid. Or maybe a monkey. Or even a hamster. The end result is the same so it's hard to guess. This! FIX the bug, not mask it!!111one double overview when undocking ....
Stealthy Imperial Guardians	Posted - 2010.10.08 07:28:00 - [142] ok folks let me point out a few things. I missed betatesting Eve due to only being able to afford a Nvidia Ti4200 vid card. It was good enough to play Eve at release but not enough to be a tester. For whatever reason Eve is a wee bit more complicated than other games.. how so? Devs mess with the game code to fix prob A and it FUBARS somthing else entirely. This has happened over and over with Eve. And sometimes it takes MONTHS to fix. Personally I assume it has to do more with the complexity of the game coupled with it being all 300K of us playing in a single shard. Not so -how about POS shields bug? Next time a full patch hits notice the build number _I think its in the 50,000 range by now could be a lot higher. Expansion is free and the game does get better. CCP as far as we know arent cheating the players by stacking the game in favor of their ingame buddies. Things could be a lot worse. SO lets find something else to whine about or do I have to break out the expensive cheeses? FYI we have had a min of 2 optional patches but never an optional patch to fix the optional patch
Buck Marui Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.10.08 10:20:00 - [143] FYI the local chatter from NPC's does not play correctly anymore. Specifically noticed in "Guristas Hideaway" sites I did two last night the first one played none of the NPC chatter and the second one played only the first line. "Patrol to HQ our position has been compromised..." It should continue... "You will regret that..." It does not.
betoli	Posted - 2010.10.08 10:49:00 - [144] has anyone seen the issue where resizing range on multiple (combat) probes with the mouse doesn't work. They all resize on screen but reset to the old value when you hit scan (except for the one that you dragged)
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.08 12:27:00 - [145] -minimizing local and bringing it back up makes it go a little crazy, the list is too short and fills properly only after you start scrolling it -minimizing browser and bringing it back up also has a visual bug, you can see first image from the page filling the whole browser window for few frames (maybe one frame, it just flashes), looks like engine is reusing a buffer without reinitializing or something. -opening fitting window still takes 2-4 seconds, please get rid of this stupid one-by-one animation -opening skill subcategories is still choppy, takes over one second to open subcategory and it used to be instant
Lentheb	Posted - 2010.10.08 18:03:00 - [146] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Captian Conrad Originally by: Aessoroz I can't believe these things are actually optional patches. This, but kudos to CCP on rapid patch fixing You rarely see this since we don't update the patch notes (which we really should do so you are informed) but we normally hotfix the server once or twice a week, every week with all sorts of performance fixes and bug fixes. It just so happens that we are concentrating on the client at the moment, hence the flurry of fixes that are very visible to you. Why is everyone complaining??? You should see the updates to my Gentoo Linux OS that happen almost daily, on top of the fact that I use WINE. You have to remember they are updating minor versions of Python from 2.5.x to 2,6.x. In these upgrades methods get rewritten upstream by the python developers to perform new behaviors, so the intended behavior in Eve gets quirky, and some get dropped all together, requiring code to be rewritten in Eve for method calls that no longer work. Be happy that we have a few more years of Python 2.x, as the current version of Python is actually 3.x. See http://www.python.org/the Python Website/url] for more details. For anyone who's curious my linux OS has both versions installed, but using Python 3 breaks my Package Installer, so Eve is right where it needs to be in terms of it's Software life-cycle.
Elder Thorn	Posted - 2010.10.08 18:22:00 - [147] Originally by: Lentheb Why is everyone complaining??? You should see the updates to my Gentoo Linux OS that happen almost daily, on top of the fact that I use WINE. You have to remember they are updating minor versions of Python from 2.5.x to 2.6.x. In these upgrades methods get rewritten upstream by the python developers to perform new behaviors, so the intended behavior in Eve gets quirky, and some get dropped all together, requiring code to be rewritten in Eve for method calls that no longer work. Be happy that we have a few more years of Python 2.x, as the current version of Python is actually 3.x. See http://www.python.org/the Python Website/url] for more details. For anyone who's curious my linux OS has both versions installed, but using Python 3 breaks my Package Installer, so Eve is right where it needs to be in terms of it's Software life-cycle. The thing that keeps anoying me is, #1 helped me, everythign was cool. #2 was ok, but i had more problems than with #1. when #3 came out, i just wanted to sort 2 short things in corp wallet, so i didn't install it, as it takes me a bit longer to download this stuff (64 kbps atm), and now the client does not ask me to isntall it again and i cant find a link to download it, a GM told me to follow the link on the log in screen, did so, now i am here. If it would have been possible to keep #1 and ignore #2 and #3 i'd probably be fine, i'm sure theres a reason to remove #1 and #2 to get #3 rolling, but there really should be a way to choose the time when I want to install #3, not the first time i start the client. Maybe i just overlook something but i'd be really happy to be able to install it, as withotu any of those optional patches, i'm not even logging into eve, because it sucks without them for me :D. Will there be a #4, so i can just ignore eve for a while and download #4 then? :P
leoplusma	Posted - 2010.10.08 20:23:00 - [148] Edited by: leoplusma on 08/10/2010 20:25:07 Edited by: leoplusma on 08/10/2010 20:24:12 alright, i understood why those patches are optional. i had issues with 1.1, the first patch did nil, the second did help a bit, the third one is a disaster, as i have more issues than i had with original 1.1 (actually, i now face the jumpin' of windows that i was reading from other players but didnt really had it as a problem never before) let me state that i play with 3 pc and problems are all same to every installation. also, in NONE of those patches solved the problem of the AGENT CONVERSATION window. and as i have posted twice this bug and no fix whatsoever, i am going to explain it once more, hoping it will be fixed someday. i am docked. i start conv with agent. accept. i MINIMIZE the window by double clickin' its window title bar. undocking. damn u scotty. warping to gate. jumping. double click on the window title bar, the window is maximized. but it is EMPTY. both panels, left and right. i have to click on the scrollbar on the right of each panel to wake ui up and show whats written inside. ty for your time (pls try your best next optional patch) leoplusma
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.10.09 03:01:00 - [149] I have noticed with the last option patch that when you go to compose or reply to an eve mail in game, it messes the message completely up when you hit a carriage return for a new line. Also, when you are copying and pasting within the same window, it does even stranger things (like copying and pasting parts of the message that was not even highlighted or pasting in a completely different portion of the message all together) I have no idea how if should file a bug report as the problem is not consistent. also do not know what information i should provide in the bug report for it to be useful and pass filtering. Zen
Liandra Xi Amarr Ascendent.	Posted - 2010.10.09 06:29:00 - [150] I see large numbers of posts in this topic, inclue my last post, have been deleted for some reason. YOU CANNOT CENSOR US CCP, IT WILL ONLY WORK AGAINST YOU!! In essence im using the 3rd optional patch and the double overview list (each item appearing twice) is NOT been fixed even though its listed in the patch notes as being fixed. So basically 3 optional patches later there is still broken stuff from the 1.1 patch, so we had a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch. Are you going to go for optional patch #4 now CCP? Maybe if you actually tested these patches BEFORE releasing them we wouldn't need so damm many of them. Now go ahead, I dare you to delete my post again CCP! YOU CANNOT SILENCE US, WE WILL BE HEARD!
Orange Lagomorph	Posted - 2010.10.09 06:41:00 - [151] Originally by: Liandra Xi YOU CANNOT CENSOR US CCP, IT WILL ONLY WORK AGAINST YOU!! YOU CANNOT SILENCE US, WE WILL BE HEARD! Have you ever herped so hard you derped?
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.09 07:34:00 - [152] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Guilliman R Did you, you know, test this patch? Yes, we did. Quote: Can you tell me there wont be any bugs with this patch, There are no new bugs in this patch to the best of our knowledge. Quote: and it fixes all the bugs your last big patch and optional patches introduced? This patch fixes all known client issues that we are aware of were introduced in Tyrannis 1.1. Thanks for completely breaking EVE-Mail. ------
BBQfire	Posted - 2010.10.09 08:32:00 - [153] [irony] remember the old black and white calvin klein commercials guy sitting in front of a pc playing - camera moves around you see that he plays eve and the patch popup appears. then he says: eve online - just a quality product the new patch for you and me [irony]
Akhury	Posted - 2010.10.09 09:14:00 - [154] Originally by: CCP Navigator A third optional patch will be deployed during downtime on Thursday, October 7 which will fix several issues reported to us following the release of Tyrannis 1.1. While the patch is optional, we would encourage everyone to apply the update to ensure your gameplay is improved. A full list of updated patch notes can be found here. The reason for deploying an optional patch is that these updates contain UI core fixes which are client-only changes in python. This process is much quicker to prepare, test and execute and allows us to prepare a patch much faster than usual. The EVE Online client remains usable whether an optional patch is applied or not. Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility. If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but none of the fixes will be applied. If you clicked 'No' in error you can still apply the patch by going to the ESC menu, General Settings and apply the patch from the 'Install' button there. The first and second Tyrannis 1.1 optional patches will be removed from the server and all fixes will be included in this third patch. If you choose not to install this patch all previous optional patches will be uninstalled as well. Once again, it is highly recommended you install this patch. O rly? Well ofc not :) :) still bugged -.-
Rabid Gerbil	Posted - 2010.10.09 09:44:00 - [155] You CCP annoy the hell outa me, I spend RL cash for you guys to deploy patches that don't fix SFA and just screw a whole bunch of other stuff up, windows still not remembering placements, like every time I reopen the orca corp hangar its way over to the left, and corp votes, ever tried to lock down 50+ bpo's when you have to open each tab and vote where once you could open them all and hit the vote button on a bunch of them. This is a serious failure, I've lost what little confidence there was in CCP. What would be good is for you to give me all the money I spent on this game for 5 toons over the last 2 years and I'll go and buy myself a life.
Rieleph	Posted - 2010.10.09 10:18:00 - [156] I see funny thing and don't know is it a bug or not. When I import stuff to the planet, I usually do that one thousand of each at a time, to see if it fits. So I'm dragging 1000 pieces of water, electrolytes, toxic metals and so on to the middle column - and after I click execution button, I see all this reappear on the left (customer's office) list, as a separate positions from the ones I've took them (so I have 5430 toxic and 1000 toxic on the list), and then move one by one to the planet. In the 1.0 they were just instantly transferred - is this one-by-one new method a bugfix or workaround of a kind? Or was it always that way, just now my client got so slow I actually can see it?
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.10.09 11:33:00 - [157] I would like to note that I have logged bug report 3 weeks ago and it has yet to be filtered. The bog is related to the 1.1 patch that was deployed not too long ago. If you guys/gals in the QA dept could take a look at the bug reports, that would be swell! If you are interested/care, my bug report # is: 100943 Thanks, Zen

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 11:47:00 - [158] Originally by: Liandra Xi So basically 3 optional patches later there is still broken stuff from the 1.1 patch, so we had a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch. Are you going to go for optional patch #4 now CCP? Maybe if you actually tested these patches BEFORE releasing them we wouldn't need so damm many of them. You are completely misunderstanding how the optional patches work and how we hotfix the client (and the server). We release hotfixes as soon as they are ready. So when the first batch of fixes was ready we released client hotfix #1, when the second batch was ready then we released client hotfix #2 that included all the fixes from #1 as well, and so on and so forth. I can fully understand the complaints about what we broke in the UI refactoring in Tyrannis 1.1. But I don't understand why you want us to wait until every single issue is fixed and then release a big patch. Why don't you want to get the fixes as soon as they are ready? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.09 11:53:00 - [159] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Liandra Xi So basically 3 optional patches later there is still broken stuff from the 1.1 patch, so we had a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch. Are you going to go for optional patch #4 now CCP? Maybe if you actually tested these patches BEFORE releasing them we wouldn't need so damm many of them. You are completely misunderstanding how the optional patches work and how we hotfix the client (and the server). We release hotfixes as soon as they are ready. So when the first batch of fixes was ready we released client hotfix #1, when the second batch was ready then we released client hotfix #2 that included all the fixes from #1 as well, and so on and so forth. I can fully understand the complaints about what we broke in the UI refactoring in Tyrannis 1.1. But I don't understand why you want us to wait until every single issue is fixed and then release a big patch. Why don't you want to get the fixes as soon as they are ready? Because the hot-fixes break other things, like evemail and copy paste. =/ ------

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 12:13:00 - [160] Originally by: Guilliman R Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Liandra Xi So basically 3 optional patches later there is still broken stuff from the 1.1 patch, so we had a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch. Are you going to go for optional patch #4 now CCP? Maybe if you actually tested these patches BEFORE releasing them we wouldn't need so damm many of them. You are completely misunderstanding how the optional patches work and how we hotfix the client (and the server). We release hotfixes as soon as they are ready. So when the first batch of fixes was ready we released client hotfix #1, when the second batch was ready then we released client hotfix #2 that included all the fixes from #1 as well, and so on and so forth. I can fully understand the complaints about what we broke in the UI refactoring in Tyrannis 1.1. But I don't understand why you want us to wait until every single issue is fixed and then release a big patch. Why don't you want to get the fixes as soon as they are ready? Because the hot-fixes break other things, like evemail and copy paste. =/ No, they didn't; any issues that are still lingering stem from the original release. And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.10.09 12:20:00 - [161] Originally by: CCP Explorer And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. Evemail never works for me since the hotixes( ok suppose that's been broken since 1.1, not sure). Enter and delete warp/split sentences to another location. CTRL+V or righ-click-copy a killmail will copy the entire killmail except for the last 10 odd characters regardless of the size of the killmail. :( ------
Sylvaner Trojan	Posted - 2010.10.09 13:25:00 - [162] Edited by: Sylvaner Trojan on 09/10/2010 13:31:04 Is there any address for this patch so I can download the patch file and upgrade my game client? Because I'm a Chinese player,and I can not upgrade this patch automaticlly when start game.Of course I try to upgrade via the method of "ESC-GENERAL SETTINGS-optional upgrade",but the result is bad.maybe the problem of network. so.could I get a download link for this patch? BTW:I have already upgrade the game with the second patch
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.10.09 13:31:00 - [163] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Guilliman R Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Liandra Xi So basically 3 optional patches later there is still broken stuff from the 1.1 patch, so we had a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch. Are you going to go for optional patch #4 now CCP? Maybe if you actually tested these patches BEFORE releasing them we wouldn't need so damm many of them. You are completely misunderstanding how the optional patches work and how we hotfix the client (and the server). We release hotfixes as soon as they are ready. So when the first batch of fixes was ready we released client hotfix #1, when the second batch was ready then we released client hotfix #2 that included all the fixes from #1 as well, and so on and so forth. I can fully understand the complaints about what we broke in the UI refactoring in Tyrannis 1.1. But I don't understand why you want us to wait until every single issue is fixed and then release a big patch. Why don't you want to get the fixes as soon as they are ready? Because the hot-fixes break other things, like evemail and copy paste. =/ No, they didn't; any issues that are still lingering stem from the original release. And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. WOW, Confirming that CCP Explorer is wrong again! /waterboy colonel sanders EVE-MAIL IS IN FACT BROKEN! I am tempted to do a youtube video but I'm lazy. Also, if i did do a video, it would not be a flattering one for both eve and its staff. Get on the 12 step program: First step in recovery is admitting you have a problem! (source)
L046 Rio Xingu	Posted - 2010.10.09 13:57:00 - [164] corp hanger window resizes everytime i open it. when i paste anything into chat the chat gets deselected still so you ahve to click on it again. new conversation windows dont get opened in the exsisting stacks even though new fleet chats do.
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.09 14:46:00 - [165] Combat log/Kills losses also has a duplication bug ....
Elder Thorn	Posted - 2010.10.09 14:54:00 - [166] Originally by: Sylvaner Trojan Edited by: Sylvaner Trojan on 09/10/2010 13:31:04 Is there any address for this patch so I can download the patch file and upgrade my game client? Because I'm a Chinese player,and I can not upgrade this patch automaticlly when start game.Of course I try to upgrade via the method of "ESC-GENERAL SETTINGS-optional upgrade",but the result is bad.maybe the problem of network. so.could I get a download link for this patch? BTW:I have already upgrade the game with the second patch dude, i asked for this via petition and on the thread for the second optional refactored patch. The Guy who answered my petition sent me in this thread, i asked here again, no reaction yet, not even a "no you ******ed idiot, keep paying for your account but there won't be a download link", they keep ignoring me. So just keep on paying for the broken game or emoragequit eve ;)
Mooie Wetenschap	Posted - 2010.10.09 15:08:00 - [167] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Liandra Xi So basically 3 optional patches later there is still broken stuff from the 1.1 patch, so we had a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch, then a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch to fix a patch. Are you going to go for optional patch #4 now CCP? Maybe if you actually tested these patches BEFORE releasing them we wouldn't need so damm many of them. You are completely misunderstanding how the optional patches work and how we hotfix the client (and the server). We release hotfixes as soon as they are ready. So when the first batch of fixes was ready we released client hotfix #1, when the second batch was ready then we released client hotfix #2 that included all the fixes from #1 as well, and so on and so forth. I can fully understand the complaints about what we broke in the UI refactoring in Tyrannis 1.1. But I don't understand why you want us to wait until every single issue is fixed and then release a big patch. Why don't you want to get the fixes as soon as they are ready? thats what our moaning is about: they are not fixed yet you release them. we do like the fact you try your best and make those optional patches, only if those actually do good ^^
Fate Arising	Posted - 2010.10.09 15:22:00 - [168] As a software support application specialist working for a huge company, I just want to say: 1) ALL software has bugs, the sooner you accept that the happier you will be - even if a "perfect" app could be developed, it would cost wayyyyyy too much and there would be no EVE. 2) At only $15 per month, I understand bug fixes will take time ... I'm actually glad resources are limited so that the price can be kept down at a reasonable level. 3) I'd rather have the fixes as soon as possible, rather than waiting for a complete package.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 16:42:00 - [169] Originally by: Guilliman R Originally by: CCP Explorer And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. Evemail never works for me since the hotixes( ok suppose that's been broken since 1.1, not sure). Enter and delete warp/split sentences to another location. CTRL+V or righ-click-copy a killmail will copy the entire killmail except for the last 10 odd characters regardless of the size of the killmail. OK, thank you. I can't reproduce this but I'll send it to the programmers and see what they can come up with. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 16:47:00 - [170] Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer No, they didn't; any issues that are still lingering stem from the original release. And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. WOW, Confirming that CCP Explorer is wrong again! /waterboy colonel sanders EVE-MAIL IS IN FACT BROKEN! I am tempted to do a youtube video to show you how broken it is but I'm lazy. Also, if i did do a video, it would not be a flattering one for both eve and its staff. Get on the 12 step program: First step in recovery is admitting you have a problem! (source) Edit to add something constructive to this post: CCP Explorer, earlyer I posted asking for help in how I should submit a bugreport so that this can be reproduced.... how about some help insted of posting that I have no idea what im talking about and denying there is an issue with eve-mail. Because I am not the only one with the issue! (source) I tried EVE Mail just earlier and it's not broken. I'm not dismissing that you are experiencing issues but you have to be more specific than to shout "EVE-MAIL IS IN FACT BROKEN!" again. Shouting and hurling personal insults at me are not going to get us anywhere. A measured and methodological approach will however. Yes, why don't you make a video? A video along with reproduction steps will help us in identifying the issues that you are experiencing. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 16:48:00 - [171] Originally by: L046 corp hanger window resizes everytime i open it. when i paste anything into chat the chat gets deselected still so you ahve to click on it again. new conversation windows dont get opened in the exsisting stacks even though new fleet chats do. Thank you, I'll let the programmer know about this. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 16:48:00 - [172] Originally by: Rasz Lin Combat log/Kills losses also has a duplication bug .... Can you provide more details, please. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 16:58:00 - [173] Originally by: Sylvaner Trojan Edited by: Sylvaner Trojan on 09/10/2010 13:31:04 Is there any address for this patch so I can download the patch file and upgrade my game client? Because I'm a Chinese player,and I can not upgrade this patch automaticlly when start game.Of course I try to upgrade via the method of "ESC-GENERAL SETTINGS-optional upgrade",but the result is bad.maybe the problem of network. so.could I get a download link for this patch? BTW:I have already upgrade the game with the second patch Please send in a technical petition, please. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Kobe Sun	Posted - 2010.10.09 16:59:00 - [174] sometimes there are dupicate entries in the overview. window size and position for containers are not being saved for each container. they seem to open where that last one was moved to. same for wreck windows. i've noticed the crashes when warping into a mission area is up slightly. system population is generally under 30 players. no crashes warping between systems. we gonna need a 4th patch.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 17:34:00 - [175] Originally by: Kobe Sun sometimes there are dupicate entries in the overview. window size and position for containers are not being saved for each container. they seem to open where that last one was moved to. same for wreck windows. i've noticed the crashes when warping into a mission area is up slightly. system population is generally under 30 players. no crashes warping between systems. we gonna need a 4th patch. We are looking into the duplicate entries and have a suspicion what the issue might be. We have a fix for the containers pending for the 4th patch. Note that we are fixing the behavior of station containers and other non-wreck containers. This is intended behavior for wreck containers. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.10.09 19:56:00 - [176] Edited by: Zendoren on 09/10/2010 19:59:54 Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer No, they didn't; any issues that are still lingering stem from the original release. And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. WOW, Confirming that CCP Explorer is wrong again! /waterboy colonel sanders EVE-MAIL IS IN FACT BROKEN! I am tempted to do a youtube video to show you how broken it is but I'm lazy. Also, if i did do a video, it would not be a flattering one for both eve and its staff. Get on the 12 step program: First step in recovery is admitting you have a problem! (source) Edit to add something constructive to this post: CCP Explorer, earlyer I posted asking for help in how I should submit a bugreport so that this can be reproduced.... how about some help insted of posting that I have no idea what im talking about and denying there is an issue with eve-mail. Because I am not the only one with the issue! (source) I tried EVE Mail just earlier and it's not broken. I'm not dismissing that you are experiencing issues but you have to be more specific than to shout "EVE-MAIL IS IN FACT BROKEN!" again. Shouting and hurling personal insults at me are not going to get us anywhere. A measured and methodological approach will however. Yes, why don't you make a video? A video along with reproduction steps will help us in identifying the issues that you are experiencing. I apologize if you took my reply personal. I meant no disrespect; however, you have to agree that just because EVE-Mail works on your test/development clients does not mean that it will work on ours. So when you said, "And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken" I took it as dismissing the problem with, "working as intended" and took offence. (Not to mention I was still on troll mode ) Anywho, a fine gentleman, by the name of CCP Stillman, is working with me to try to reproduce the issue. This is a tuff issue to nail down and reproduce so i will be working closely with Stillman to try to get it reproduced on your end. I'm always happy to see the devs talking directly to the public and I hope that our little spat does not deter you from doing so more often. Zen CCP Games, Go EVE! /hillshire farms commercial

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 20:14:00 - [177] Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer No, they didn't; any issues that are still lingering stem from the original release. And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. WOW, Confirming that CCP Explorer is wrong again! /waterboy colonel sanders EVE-MAIL IS IN FACT BROKEN! I am tempted to do a youtube video to show you how broken it is but I'm lazy. Also, if i did do a video, it would not be a flattering one for both eve and its staff. Get on the 12 step program: First step in recovery is admitting you have a problem! (source) Edit to add something constructive to this post: CCP Explorer, earlyer I posted asking for help in how I should submit a bugreport so that this can be reproduced.... how about some help insted of posting that I have no idea what im talking about and denying there is an issue with eve-mail. Because I am not the only one with the issue! (source) I tried EVE Mail just earlier and it's not broken. I'm not dismissing that you are experiencing issues but you have to be more specific than to shout "EVE-MAIL IS IN FACT BROKEN!" again. Shouting and hurling personal insults at me are not going to get us anywhere. A measured and methodological approach will however. Yes, why don't you make a video? A video along with reproduction steps will help us in identifying the issues that you are experiencing. I apologize if you took my reply personal. I meant no disrespect; however, you have to agree that just because EVE-Mail works on your test/development clients does not mean that it will work on ours. So when you said, "And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken" I took it as dismissing the problem with, "working as intended" and took offence. (Not to mention I was still on troll mode ) Anywho, a fine gentleman, by the name of CCP Stillman, is working with me to try to reproduce the issue. This is a tuff issue to nail down and reproduce so i will be working closely with Stillman to try to get it reproduced on your end. I'm always happy to see the devs talking directly to the public and I hope that our little spat does not deter you from doing so more often. Thank you, I have every confidence that you and CCP Stillman can figure this out. (BTW, I was testing using my TQ client with client hotfix #3, not a dev client in a test environment.) Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.09 21:45:00 - [178] Edited by: Karia Sur on 09/10/2010 21:49:17 Edited by: Karia Sur on 09/10/2010 21:46:11 Originally by: CCP Explorer We have a fix for the containers pending for the 4th patch. Note that we are fixing the behavior of station containers and other non-wreck containers. This is intended behavior for wreck containers. You mean the intended behaviour is for every wreck container to open in its default position from this 4th patch? edit: this wouldnt be your attempt to make looting more difficult for missioners and stimulate mining by making less reprocessed minerals appear on the market would it?
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.09 22:12:00 - [179] Quote: And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. I am sorry but you are mistaken. I replied to a mail that contained a reply of reply. Enter would introduce a "-------------------------" line in some random location or wold break a paragraph above the one I was writing and delete some characters and some times the same ENTER would be pasting two random pieces in such random place creating some quite funny sentences. I could not replicate it with simple emails, but I hope you are not JUST testing simple mails with no reply, right? - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 22:24:00 - [180] Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: CCP Explorer We have a fix for the containers pending for the 4th patch. Note that we are fixing the behavior of station containers and other non-wreck containers. This is intended behavior for wreck containers. You mean the intended behaviour is for every wreck container to open in its default position from this 4th patch? edit: this wouldnt be your attempt to make looting more difficult for missioners and stimulate mining by making less reprocessed minerals appear on the market would it? After the 4th patch (pending) then the following should happen: Every station container (and other similar containers) should open in its last known position; the window location will be stored for each container. Wreck/loot containers should open in the last position that any such container was opened in; the window location will be stored globally for wreck/loot containers. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

deeveeate	Posted - 2010.10.09 22:24:00 - [181] Im just gunna wait for the 10000000th optional patch.......

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 22:35:00 - [182] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. I am sorry but you are mistaken. I'm mistaken in that "we have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them"? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 22:38:00 - [183] Originally by: deeveeate Im just gunna wait for the 10000000th optional patch....... Why? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.10.09 23:00:00 - [184] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 09/10/2010 23:03:46 Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. I am sorry but you are mistaken. I'm mistaken in that "we have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them"? You are mistaken saying "And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken.". You later expand about you not being able to reproduce the issue but with the above statement talked as an absolute, you don't encourage people to keep bug hunting. Also, how can we reproduce something that happens twice a day over 10 mails? That would be stuff that would require writing more unit tests on the line of the combat player sim created to check combat / lag issues. Edit: the above to say: we as individuals don't have visibility over statistical grade events, it gets hard to spot them right when they happen. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.09 23:23:00 - [185] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken. We have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them, except for an FPS drop in certain situations when writing EVE Mails. I am sorry but you are mistaken. I'm mistaken in that "we have heard reports of issues but haven't been able to reproduce them"? You are mistaken saying "And EVE Mail and Copy/Paste are not broken.". You later expand about you not being able to reproduce the issue but with the above statement talked as an absolute, you don't encourage people to keep bug hunting. If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Siigari Kitawa Gallente Luxury Exports The Honda Accord	Posted - 2010.10.09 23:55:00 - [186] The satisfying confirm sound after you move an item and drop it somewhere is missing. Dragging modules, items, etc. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing Snatch Victory	Posted - 2010.10.10 00:37:00 - [187] Eve Mail is broken as in, you can't select a part to autolink (you select a few letters, but it selects off-key, so if I write 12345, and mark 345, it will think I am selecting 123, you cant ctrl-enter without messing up 5 rows, it's just extremly buggy with editing, or writing more then a row, and having a enter there. _________________ --- Snatch Victory - Rivqua - Omega Wing ---
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.10 01:43:00 - [188] Originally by: Rivqua Eve Mail is broken as in, you can't select a part to autolink (you select a few letters, but it selects off-key, so if I write 12345, and mark 345, it will think I am selecting 123, you cant ctrl-enter without messing up 5 rows, it's just extremly buggy with editing, or writing more then a row, and having a enter there. It's not EVE-Mail, it's global UI bug. -- Thanks CCP for cu
Rasz Lin Caldari Racketeers	Posted - 2010.10.10 01:59:00 - [189] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Rasz Lin Combat log/Kills losses also has a duplication bug .... Can you provide more details, please. steps to reproduce: -click char sheet -click combat log -look This is same bug as the double overview/double items in the hangar. Since you didnt FIX double overview, but only masked it there is still double overview (when undocking), double items in hangar and this one .... after 3 patches. Its not always both next to each other, sometimes duplicates pop up down the list and screw up sort order :
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2010.10.10 07:55:00 - [190] Originally by: CCP Navigator <Snip>...Following downtime you will see a pop up box once the client is launched informing you that a patch is available and if you want to install. If you click 'Yes' then the patch will be applied and then you can log into Tranquility. If you choose 'No' you will log in to Tranquility directly but none of the fixes will be applied. <Snip> Is it just me? I've yet to see a single "Optional build available" window since the original patch... -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Guilty Man Minmatar Guilty People	Posted - 2010.10.10 09:39:00 - [191] How do I install optional patch if I clicked "No"? There is no word about it in "EVE Patches" section.
Steijn Minmatar Quay Industries	Posted - 2010.10.10 09:47:00 - [192] should be under esc / general settings in the middle column at the bottom.
Malkavien Reaction Theory Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.10.10 10:03:00 - [193] I seem to be able to reproduce the mail issue where by you type a nice long email, hit return on the keyboard a few times and it all gets jumbled up. This is getting very annoying to say the least. Is this a known issue and is there a timeline to get this fixed at is severely limiting the mails I can send and I am getting fedup of re-typing them.
Steijn Minmatar Quay Industries	Posted - 2010.10.10 10:24:00 - [194] Do you intend fixing the assets window contents continually jumping when dragging/dropping?
dungabee	Posted - 2010.10.10 10:46:00 - [195] Edited by: dungabee on 10/10/2010 10:51:33 Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: CCP Explorer We have a fix for the containers pending for the 4th patch. Note that we are fixing the behavior of station containers and other non-wreck containers. This is intended behavior for wreck containers. You mean the intended behaviour is for every wreck container to open in its default position from this 4th patch? edit: this wouldnt be your attempt to make looting more difficult for missioners and stimulate mining by making less reprocessed minerals appear on the market would it? After the 4th patch (pending) then the following should happen: Every station container (and any other similar container) should open in its last known position; the window location will be stored for each container. Wreck/loot containers should open in the last position that any such container was opened in; the window location will be stored globally for wreck/loot containers. Hi CCP Explorer, does this change also include the wreck window size? It's more annoying that each wreck window size resets to a size that can only fit 2 icons in it, then the position resetting IMHO. For each wreck I have to resize, than select all then move the loot. It is more mouse-work to do the same thing as it did pre-patch.
BBQfire	Posted - 2010.10.10 11:40:00 - [196] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: deeveeate Im just gunna wait for the 10000000th optional patch....... Why? your patch policy is a joke! can't you see that. now you call your patches optional? if i don't install them i have problems, am i right? so please, please, please, if you release the next big patch - test it before so that no "optional" patches are needed. every small software corporation wouldn't be able to do something like this to their customers because their customers would simply look for another similiar software which is working! For me it seems that CCP twits their customers and i really think that i won't extend my 3 accounts next year. everytime new features are added something new is broken and old bugs aren't fixed. i really think that EVE is becoming too big for CCP and so doesn't know where to start fixing things first.
Dior Rellik	Posted - 2010.10.10 11:50:00 - [197] Hiya just poppin the forum to say that before the 3 optional patches, the only problems I had were window sizes and escalation notifications. But since I installed the 3rd option patch I now have the overview dulicated items aswell. Also the corp details update page is buggy as hell.
Karia Sur	Posted - 2010.10.10 11:51:00 - [198] Originally by: BBQfire i really think that EVE is becoming too big for CCP and so doesn't know where to start fixing things first. I dont think its too big for them, more a case of the man at the top has a set guideline of what he wants to happen and the dates that they will be implemented. The fact that bugs appear seem to be of no interest to him as long as it proceeds along at the timescale he has planned.
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.10.10 11:57:00 - [199] Originally by: CCP Explorer If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. I think we are playing a game of semantics here. We, the players, use the word "broken" in the context that eve-mail is not working in a intuitive and consistent manner. You use "broken" in the literal since, as if EVE-Mail is completely unusable. It is true that you can still send mail and compose short messages without too much trouble; however, if you try to compose a complex message and use copy & past for editing, it is "broken"! This is because EVE-Mail does not function consistently when using copy & paste functions as compared to before the patch. (Issue is still present in the 3rd optional patch)

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:22:00 - [200] Originally by: Steijn Do you intend fixing the assets window contents continually jumping when dragging/dropping? I've sent this to the programmers. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:23:00 - [201] Originally by: dungabee Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Karia Sur Originally by: CCP Explorer We have a fix for the containers pending for the 4th patch. Note that we are fixing the behavior of station containers and other non-wreck containers. This is intended behavior for wreck containers. You mean the intended behaviour is for every wreck container to open in its default position from this 4th patch? edit: this wouldnt be your attempt to make looting more difficult for missioners and stimulate mining by making less reprocessed minerals appear on the market would it? After the 4th patch (pending) then the following should happen: Every station container (and any other similar container) should open in its last known position; the window location will be stored for each container. Wreck/loot containers should open in the last position that any such container was opened in; the window location will be stored globally for wreck/loot containers. Hi CCP Explorer, does this change also include the wreck window size? It's more annoying that each wreck window size resets to a size that can only fit 2 icons in it, then the position resetting IMHO. For each wreck I have to resize, than select all then move the loot. It is more mouse-work to do the same thing as it did pre-patch. I've sent this to the programmers. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:26:00 - [202] Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. I think we are playing a game of semantics here. We, the players, use the word "broken" in the context that eve-mail is not working in a intuitive and consistent manner. You use "broken" in the literal since, as if EVE-Mail is completely unusable. It is true that you can still send mail and compose short messages without too much trouble; however, if you try to compose a complex message and use copy & past for editing, it is "broken"! This is because EVE-Mail does not function consistently when using copy & paste functions as compared to before the patch. (Issue is still present in the 3rd optional patch) Yes, I use "broken" in the literal sense, in particular if there are no details on how it is broken or what parts of it are broken. We are still trying to find what, when and how issues arise in EVE Mail. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Ennia Gallente Abyssal Heavy Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:40:00 - [203] I've also got the problem with the backspace key making a mess of my mails. Duplicating lines and inserting apparently random linebreaks.
BootNeck71 Caldari Son's of The Hammer	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:46:00 - [204] I now crash every 20-40 mins. Have loaded the patches but it still persists. Never had a crash before Tyrannis. GM told me to send a Ping report. The ping program could not ping CCP host name. Whats that all about then? Anyone else experiencing these crashes?
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries	Posted - 2010.10.10 13:48:00 - [205] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. I think we are playing a game of semantics here. We, the players, use the word "broken" in the context that eve-mail is not working in a intuitive and consistent manner. You use "broken" in the literal since, as if EVE-Mail is completely unusable. It is true that you can still send mail and compose short messages without too much trouble; however, if you try to compose a complex message and use copy & past for editing, it is "broken"! This is because EVE-Mail does not function consistently when using copy & paste functions as compared to before the patch. (Issue is still present in the 3rd optional patch) Yes, I use "broken" in the literal sense, in particular if there are no details on how it is broken or what parts of it are broken. We are still trying to find what, when and how issues arise in EVE Mail. It's always nice to agree to disagree! It is hard to describe the issue due to the inconsistent nature of the problem; however, I found a good description of most of the issues with in-game EVE-Mail found HERE. I hope it helps.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.10 16:21:00 - [206] Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. I think we are playing a game of semantics here. We, the players, use the word "broken" in the context that eve-mail is not working in a intuitive and consistent manner. You use "broken" in the literal since, as if EVE-Mail is completely unusable. It is true that you can still send mail and compose short messages without too much trouble; however, if you try to compose a complex message and use copy & past for editing, it is "broken"! This is because EVE-Mail does not function consistently when using copy & paste functions as compared to before the patch. (Issue is still present in the 3rd optional patch) Yes, I use "broken" in the literal sense, in particular if there are no details on how it is broken or what parts of it are broken. We are still trying to find what, when and how issues arise in EVE Mail. It's always nice to agree to disagree! It is hard to describe the issue due to the inconsistent nature of the problem; however, I found a good description of most of the issues with in-game EVE-Mail found HERE. I hope it helps. CCP Stillman has been monitoring that thread. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

KaarBaak Minmatar Hell's Librarians Darkmatter Initiative	Posted - 2010.10.10 17:40:00 - [207] Originally by: Liandra Xi Originally by: KaarBaak Originally by: CCP Explorer Try it in Windows, double clicking in the column headers in Windows Explorer will change the sort order. What you should in EVE (as in Windows) is to double click on the column separators in between the column headers. That will resize the column to the left of the cursor. You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way. With all due respect, do you use windows? Because that is not how MS Windows works. SINGLE-click column header sorts column. DOUBLE-click header sorts column twice...ascending, then descending. KB With all due respect, but what the Dev described is EXACTLY how it works in windows. You are getting confused between clicking on the column header vs the column header seperator (the line in between the columns in the column header). Clicking on the column header changes the sort order, double clicking sorts it first one way then the other. Double clicking on the seperator though resizes the column to the left of the mouse cursor to an "auto size" that should expand/shrink the column to the exact width of the content being displayed in the column. Go check your facts again because frankly sir you are wrong and CCP are right in this instance. Again, to be clear...the behaviour in EvE is NOT the same as MS Windows. Windows: Single click column HEADER: sorts column Double click column HEADER: sorts column twice Double click column DIVIDER: resize column to accomodate largest entry EvE: Single click column HEADER: sorts column Double click column HEADER: sorts column *and resizes column to accomodate largest entry* Double click column DIVIDER: resizes column to accomodate largest entry So again, Explorer's claim that "You will find EVE and Windows to behave the same way" is incorrect. KB Removed. Please keep your signature completely in English. Navigator I think that core audiences in the West are big fans of simply paying that monthly subscription and getting everything, and so I think we're going to stick with that. --S
Guilty Man Minmatar Guilty People	Posted - 2010.10.10 18:38:00 - [208] Originally by: Steijn should be under esc / general settings in the middle column at the bottom. Whoops! Thanks! Did not expect it requires logging in.
Soriana Ter'Ridar	Posted - 2010.10.10 21:52:00 - [209] I accidentally removed the patch how do i go about reinstalling it? Also no there is no option to install under escape, general settings.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2010.10.10 22:07:00 - [210] Originally by: Soriana Ter'Ridar I accidentally removed the patch how do i go about reinstalling it? Also no there is no option to install under escape, general settings. Log in first, then look in the settings. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Reno Shinra	Posted - 2010.10.10 22:52:00 - [211] How do unstall this patch 3 ? as ever since i installed ive been getting disconected like a *****
Joe Phoenix	Posted - 2010.10.10 23:04:00 - [212] So we have a patch to fix the patch to fix the patch that was ment to fix somthing that wasn't even broken in the first place? Fantastic, you're just oiling the path for the massive rage quiet to continue.
CommanderShepard1 Gallente Kaleidascopic Military Association Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.10.11 00:05:00 - [213] Originally by: Reno Shinra How do unstall this patch 3 ? as ever since i installed ive been getting disconected like a ***** Press ESC, and look for uninstall optional patch.
Bremen Nacht Minmatar	Posted - 2010.10.11 16:17:00 - [214] Originally by: CommanderShepard1 Originally by: Reno Shinra How do unstall this patch 3 ? as ever since i installed ive been getting disconected like a ***** Press ESC, and look for uninstall optional patch. I have also been getting the disconnects but mine started with the first of the patches not the patches for that patch. So uninstalling the optional ones for me makes not one bit of difference
Milla Jovobitch	Posted - 2010.10.11 22:04:00 - [215] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: deeveeate Im just gunna wait for the 10000000th optional patch....... Why? Because still, after these patches, copying, pasting, and cutting are broken when there are links involved in the edited text part. Yes, I have done a petition. Just wanted to open up here too.
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2010.10.12 16:28:00 - [216] Originally by: BootNeck71 I now crash every 20-40 mins. Have loaded the patches but it still persists. Never had a crash before Tyrannis. GM told me to send a Ping report. The ping program could not ping CCP host name. Whats that all about then? Anyone else experiencing these crashes? I am. I've almost reached the point of reinstalling my whole computer, but I'm doubting that's the problem. Mine seems to crash on timeouts. If I open something that takes longer than usual (restack all items in pos bins in null, open evemail, jump to busy system, etc), it seems to just time out and close the socket. I turned detail all the way down, cleared cache, defragged my drive, scanned for viruses & spyware, and everything else I could think of but the problem won't go away. Everything else works fine.

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.10.12 18:25:00 - [217] This thread will be moved to EIP. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

D'Kelle	Posted - 2010.10.12 19:42:00 - [218] Originally by: CCP Navigator This thread will be moved to EIP. Please forgive my ignorance, but, what is and/or where is EIP?
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2010.10.12 21:20:00 - [219] Seems just like CCP lost count of their optional patches :( -- Thanks CCP for cu
CO Bradley	Posted - 2010.10.12 21:25:00 - [220] Originally by: Tonto Auri Seems just like CCP lost count of their optional patches :( I log in and see this... "EVE Online Tyrannis 1.1 optional patch will be deployed during downtime on Wednesday, October 13. Full details can be found here." Links back to here... What rabbit hole in hell did I fall down?
Kaldor Mintat Nomads Of Eve Purpose Built	Posted - 2010.10.12 22:53:00 - [221] Edited by: Kaldor Mintat on 12/10/2010 22:54:15 "eve online tyrannis 1.1 third optional patch deployment reported by CCP Navigator \| 2010.10.12 18:36:34 \| NEW A third optional patch will be deployed on Thursday, October 7 to address several issues which have been reported since the release of Tyrannis 1.1. We have resolved problems with the user interface and a full listing of all notes can be found here. It is highly recommended that all players download and apply this optional patch" Someone have a timemachine handy so i can travel back to last thursday to get the patch announced today??
Kaldor Mintat Nomads Of Eve Purpose Built	Posted - 2010.10.12 23:15:00 - [222] Originally by: D'Kelle Originally by: CCP Navigator This thread will be moved to EIP. Please forgive my ignorance, but, what is and/or where is EIP? EIP - eve Information Portal (top of the forum list)
Bella Moon	Posted - 2010.10.13 08:58:00 - [223] I thought this would be the 4th patch for the patch that was patched, wft is going on 7th or 13th of october? is this another epic fail patch? they say they have 600 people working on eve compared to the 40 or so a few years ago, are you sure you employed people and not monkeys? im sorry i dont usually complain but this is just getting silly and very anoying.
Krintok	Posted - 2010.10.13 11:07:00 - [224] Edited by: Krintok on 13/10/2010 11:14:05 Edited by: Krintok on 13/10/2010 11:13:21 Edited by: Krintok on 13/10/2010 11:11:20 Edited by: Krintok on 13/10/2010 11:09:22 Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. I think we are playing a game of semantics here. We, the players, use the word "broken" in the context that eve-mail is not working in a intuitive and consistent manner. You use "broken" in the literal since, as if EVE-Mail is completely unusable. It is true that you can still send mail and compose short messages without too much trouble; however, if you try to compose a complex message and use copy & past for editing, it is "broken"! This is because EVE-Mail does not function consistently when using copy & paste functions as compared to before the patch. (Issue is still present in the 3rd optional patch) Yes, I use "broken" in the literal sense, in particular if there are no details on how it is broken or what parts of it are broken. We are still trying to find what, when and how issues arise in EVE Mail. I have experienced the copy/paste shifting (described as broken) in both Eve Mail and the the in game notepad. Specifically for the note pad if I copy something and paste it into the eve chat window or eve mail it cuts off the beginning and adds a word or two or some characters to the end of the paste (even though it was not highlighted). One thing I have noticed pasting into the chat window is sometimes there will be extra space between lines... I copy and paste a lot of questions... So when backspacing through the extra characters I find that it deletes this extra space and skips deleting the question mark i.e.(disregard '//') ..... last word//blinking cursor//? It is almost as if there is an object that is getting picked up in the copy process and deposited in the paste process. I hope this helps troubleshooting the issue. It is a big issue for anyone who does recruiting for their corp. ---- edit: When copying information from the in game browser I do not get the shifting problem when pasting into Eve Mail/notepad. --sorry for all the edits.
Skyreth	Posted - 2010.10.13 11:15:00 - [225] Whilst you all complain, id like to draw your attention to something that should put this all into comparison. SOE -> Star Wars Galaxies: New Game Enhancements, Combat Upgrade and GCW PvP Upgrade. If CCP manages to do what SOE did with these 3 "upgrades", then go ahead and complain, until then, give them credit for at least fixing errors quickly. CCP, thanks for the speedy fixes and for the great work...not to mention a damn near perfect game. Looking forward to Incarna btw
Bella Moon	Posted - 2010.10.13 11:16:00 - [226] i too have mail bug, when i try to delete it copys and pastes and when i use enter it puts me half way back through the sentence ive just typed Originally by: Krintok Edited by: Krintok on 13/10/2010 11:14:05 Edited by: Krintok on 13/10/2010 11:13:21 Edited by: Krintok on 13/10/2010 11:11:20 Edited by: Krintok on 13/10/2010 11:09:22 Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Zendoren Originally by: CCP Explorer If I would accept the statement "EVE Mail is broken" as an absolute then (1) no one would be able to write, send or receive EVE Mails and (2) no one would keep bug hunting for the specific issues that we are looking for. Same for Copy/Paste. But they both work in general and there are edge cases that we are trying to figure out. I think we are playing a game of semantics here. We, the players, use the word "broken" in the context that eve-mail is not working in a intuitive and consistent manner. You use "broken" in the literal since, as if EVE-Mail is completely unusable. It is true that you can still send mail and compose short messages without too much trouble; however, if you try to compose a complex message and use copy & past for editing, it is "broken"! This is because EVE-Mail does not function consistently when using copy & paste functions as compared to before the patch. (Issue is still present in the 3rd optional patch) Yes, I use "broken" in the literal sense, in particular if there are no details on how it is broken or what parts of it are broken. We are still trying to find what, when and how issues arise in EVE Mail. I have experienced the copy/paste shifting (described as broken) in both Eve Mail and the the in game notepad. Specifically for the note pad if I copy something and paste it into the eve chat window or eve mail it cuts off the beginning and adds a word or two or some characters to the end of the paste (even though it was not highlighted). One thing I have noticed pasting into the chat window is sometimes there will be extra space between lines... I copy and paste a lot of questions... So when backspacing through the extra characters I find that it deletes this extra space and skips deleting the question mark i.e.(disregard '//') ..... last word//blinking cursor//? It is almost as if there is an object that is getting picked up in the copy process and deposited in the paste process. I hope this helps troubleshooting the issue. It is a big issue for anyone who does recruiting for their corp. ---- edit: When copying information from the in game browser I do not get the shifting problem when pasting into Eve Mail/notepad. --sorry for all the edits.
Bella Moon	Posted - 2010.10.13 11:22:00 - [227] when you have spent over ú300 on a game over the years you expect it to work perfect not (near perfect) Originally by: Skyreth Whilst you all complain, id like to draw your attention to something that should put this all into comparison. SOE -> Star Wars Galaxies: New Game Enhancements, Combat Upgrade and GCW PvP Upgrade. If CCP manages to do what SOE did with these 3 "upgrades", then go ahead and complain, until then, give them credit for at least fixing errors quickly. CCP, thanks for the speedy fixes and for the great work...not to mention a damn near perfect game. Looking forward to Incarna btw
xxwaynoxx	Posted - 2010.10.13 11:38:00 - [228] So, let me get this straight, you spend x number of dollars and complain when a complex piece of code is patched for you? For fracks sake a bunch of humans wrote it, with one of the sweetest client server arrangements I've seen and it has some some bugs. Wow. Software with bugs.... I've never heard of that happening. What a tragic thing. Shall we take them out and hang them? Shall we also cut off our noses coz they drip when you get a cold??? YES! Lets go and hang some fallible human beings because the forum whining queens are complaining that it's interfering with their lack of life.....
Sill Looking	Posted - 2010.10.13 11:46:00 - [229] No1 said nothing about hanging...so get real! It's about things getting worse. They ware better before...so you can get this straight! And yes we spent ans still spending money on this game, and so do you. So we all want to have the time of our life. CCP has developed a very good near perfect game. Nothing is perfect. No1 was complaining about that. But we want things that were working to work again. And patches to do their job: fix things that got wrong. Is so hard for you to get this???/ Originally by: xxwaynoxx So, let me get this straight, you spend x number of dollars and complain when a complex piece of code is patched for you? For fracks sake a bunch of humans wrote it, with one of the sweetest client server arrangements I've seen and it has some some bugs. Wow. Software with bugs.... I've never heard of that happening. What a tragic thing. Shall we take them out and hang them? Shall we also cut off our noses coz they drip when you get a cold??? YES! Lets go and hang some fallible human beings because the forum whining queens are complaining that it's interfering with their lack of life.....
Skyre Kusanagi	Posted - 2010.10.14 04:50:00 - [230] Calm down, lol. Anyone care to take a guess at how many individual program codes are in a game? It goes without saying that conflicts in code will always happen and they arent intentional...when they make an intentional problem, then its all good to complain ;)

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