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Grimster
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Posted - 2005.01.05 14:37:00 -
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Come up with something like Zombie did in Yulai or m0o in Mara and you might impress people.
This kind of stuff is half the reason cruise got nerfed from frigates.
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2005.01.05 14:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Surly Bob
Your ideas obviously don't "make sense" to the vast majority of people who are playing right now and not demanding that EVE conform to some stupid risk-free carebear ideal.
Er yes they do, he asking that they remove the 'Make alt, kill stuff, delete alt, rinse and repeat' He's asking that there be consequences for these alts actions, which there currently aren't. Did we loose you somewhere along the way?
Oh and read your statement above, these alts are by your definition 'carebears' as what they are doing is essentially 'risk-free'.
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jason hill
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Posted - 2005.01.05 15:43:00 -
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Why do I get the impression that CCP have absolutley no interest in this thread whatsover 
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Princess Sela
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Posted - 2005.01.05 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Princess Sela on 05/01/2005 16:01:48
Originally by: jason hill
Why do I get the impression that CCP have absolutley no interest in this thread whatsover
oh I have this one, couse they aren't replying? oh man that was hard, I need a beer.
Takes a bow.....
Thanks mom and dad for supporting my eve habit, I told you I would make it somehow....wow thanks to all those little miners I blew up...your all in my heart...
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.01.05 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: jason hill
Why do I get the impression that CCP have absolutley no interest in this thread whatsover
There are petitions in progress about this, so CCP policy is, and always has been not to comment publicly on these sort of issues until the petitions are resolved and their policy has been solidified. Making a post in this thread now would prejudice the outcome of those petitions.
I would expect things to roll on as they are till at least the end of the week, then either:
1) This thread get locked with a mod comment
2) A dev post clarifying the position
3) A Dev Blog addressing the issue.
Depending on how widespread concern about this has become by then.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.01.05 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: hired goon on 05/01/2005 16:11:45
cba tbh
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2005.01.05 16:19:00 -
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newbie corp alt miners hoovering 1.0 systems? Lame.
Disposable alt gank squads? Lame.
Anyone posting killmails? Lame.
This thread needs to locked, stickied, and preserved as a monument to the worst aspects of EVE.
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2005.01.05 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sphalerite
newbie corp alt miners hoovering 1.0 systems? Lame.
Have you actaully read this thread?
I think you'll find that they weren't all doing this and they we're all in new player corps.... |
theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.01.05 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kitten Hearder
Once again, not that I condone this, but if this isn't a legitimate tactic then why isn't Concord more uber?
CONCORD can only intervene after the aggression happens (and typically WTFPWNS you 0.00000001 seconds after that). The only way to stop this situation is to boost barge HP or either nerf rockets and light missiles or the ability to make a character that can fly a kessie with rockets and no training time.
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GM Arkanon
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:06:00 -
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Hello everyone.
To set the record straight, we can and do ban players for griefplaying. Note that attacking another player is not griefplaying. But, while attacking another player is not forbidden anywhere in EVE, excessive use of disposable alts (as judged by a GM), the use of exploits or the abuse of trial accounts to grief players for your own profit without risk of retribution will not be tolerated.
We have banned players for what we deem to be griefing before and we will continue to do so. Abuse of trial accounts can and will lead to a ban on your main account(s). I hope this clears up some questions about this subject.
GM Arkanon
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Kitten Hearder
Once again, not that I condone this, but if this isn't a legitimate tactic then why isn't Concord more uber?
CONCORD can only intervene after the aggression happens (and typically WTFPWNS you 0.00000001 seconds after that). The only way to stop this situation is to boost barge HP or either nerf rockets and light missiles or the ability to make a character that can fly a kessie with rockets and no training time.
Actually, another solution would be to have your pod eject the instant your ship is "dead", but have the ship itself last say 5-10 seconds in a "dying" state. When concord arrive they could then throw uber-remote-repair beams onto your "dying" ship to pull it back from the brink and let you reboard it and limp back to base.
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Germain
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Germain on 05/01/2005 17:19:37
I am new-ish to this game and was looking forward to getting the SP for a mining barge - but if ppl are killing them for the hell of it, it seems a bit pointless.
anyway.
Possible Change to game (Please read this CCP):-
let gangs fire on hostiles without getting killed by concord, eg many kesies(anyship) open fire on poor old barge, if barge is in a gang the rest of the gang can defend the barge, like a temp war against that player that killed the gang mate. When the gang is disbanded the war ends.
So if there are a few ppl mining in a system or belt they can all help with the defence of the roid belt as it would be in the intreasts of all the miners at the belt for the time priod of the ganking.
hope i made this clear. this is not a carebear solution, but is good for defence and it seems to go with the rest of the game play. if someone goes to a roid feild undefended then they are a bit silly.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Germain
Edited by: Germain on 05/01/2005 17:19:37
I am new-ish to this game and was looking forward to getting the SP for a mining barge - but if ppl are killing them for the hell of it, it seems a bit pointless.
anyway.
Possible Change to game (Please read this CCP):-
let gangs fire on hostiles without getting killed by concord, eg many kesies(anyship) open fire on poor old barge, if barge is in a gang the rest of the gang can defend the barge, like a temp war against that player that killed the gang mate. When the gang is disbanded the war ends.
So if there are a few ppl mining in a system or belt they can all help with the defence of the roid belt as it would be in the intreasts of all the miners at the belt for the time priod of the ganking.
hope i made this clear. this is not a carebear solution, but is good for defence and it seems to go with the rest of the game play. if someone goes to a roid feild undefended then they are a bit silly.
If anyone fires upon someone they are not at war with, or someone who's sec rating is -5 or below (and you won't find them in 'safe' space), they become criminally flagged and ANYONE can fire upon them freely.
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Germain
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:27:00 -
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yes that is true but because they use new alt the sec rating is 0.0 so you cannot kill them. so if i was to get a barge then have it killed so that there rating droped i would be very very poor.
i think it would take 50+ kills for them to get a low enoght sec rating for me to start killing them. but they dump their alt way before that.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 05/01/2005 17:30:54
Originally by: Germain
yes that is true but because they use new alt the sec rating is 0.0 so you cannot kill them. so if i was to get a barge then have it killed so that there rating droped i would be very very poor.
i think it would take 50+ kills for them to get a low enoght sec rating for me to start killing them. but they dump their alt way before that.
No, you miss the point.
No matter what their sec rating is, as soon as they fire upon someone they are not at war with, they become criminally flagged for 15minutes. During that period anyone can fire upon them without penalty.
Sure it doesn't help the poor sod they fire at (well, unless he is tanked), but everyone else can have fun trying to kill them before Concord turn up.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:40:00 -
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Just increase barge hp's to a reasonable (cruiser) level
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Johnson McCrae
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:42:00 -
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I've been on the test server. Seen the new hp's for barges.
Mind you, the shield/armor increases aren't that good, but a Covetor gets over 2000% hull boost. It'd take a LOT of suicide Kesties to kill that in one salvo
Also, barge users need to pack and have deployed while they min, DRONES. Medium drones can give frig attackers a nightmare, so USE them.
It ain't over till the fat lady falls on ya!
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:49:00 -
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Ah, they're doing that. Sweet.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Carter Burke
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bokkler
Well, let me point it out to those of you weak in the head. I am an ore theft, the ore I steal goes towards kerstals and such for new alts(you dont even have to train, if you know how to create a good character from the begining). This fresh alts, suicide in 1.0 causing finicial hardship for those unlucky enough. Not like we can do it to crusiers, but we can do it to something that is more expensive then crusiers and much easier to kill.
This I suspect is why CCP are increasing over hp on all ships. We'll be getting our kicks in till then, Muwahhahahhahha. YARRRRR!!!!!
Is this not an admission of griefing?
I wonder whether that equates to being bannable?
CB
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.01.05 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: GM Arkanon
Hello everyone.
To set the record straight, we can and do ban players for griefplaying. Note that attacking another player is not griefplaying. But, while attacking another player is not forbidden anywhere in EVE, excessive use of disposable alts (as judged by a GM), the use of exploits or the abuse of trial accounts to grief players for your own profit without risk of retribution will not be tolerated.
We have banned players for what we deem to be griefing before and we will continue to do so. Abuse of trial accounts can and will lead to a ban on your main account(s). I hope this clears up some questions about this subject.
Finally, Gamemasters 4 w1n! Have these people been banned as well?
Youre prolly not allowed to tell but it would be nice to know...
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Nyrram
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Posted - 2005.01.05 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Just curious, after insurance payout, how much does the loss of a mining barge cost?
Cost of a Covetor: 36,000,000
Cost of Insurance (100%): 6,000,000
Total Cost for Insured Covetor: 42,000,000
Payout of Insurance: 20,000,000 (???? Why the heck is the payout so low on a 36 million isk ship?!?!)
Total loss on Covetor: 22,000,000!!!! 
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Cost of Retriever: 9,000,000
Insurance on Retriever (100%) : 1,500,000
Total cost of Retriever: 10,500,000
Payout of Insurance: 5,000,000 (?!?!?!?!? WTF??)
Total loss on Retriever: 5,500,000!!!
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So yes, these idjits are doing some real damage to whoever they decide to target..
They had better stay away from where the big boys play though.. or they might find "Guilding Hand Social Club" wiped off the face of the map pretty quick :P There are some high security sectors where members of Stain, Xetic, Fix, CA, etc, all mine ore and ice.. choose your targets wisely fellas..
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.01.05 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nyrram
Payout of Insurance: 20,000,000 (???? Why the heck is the payout so low on a 36 million isk ship?!?!)
Because NPCs sell mining barges for DOUBLE cost.
This is so those that buy the Mining Barges BPO from ORE in NORAD space can build them and sell for profit at lower prices than they cost from NPCs.
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Princess Sela
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Posted - 2005.01.05 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: Nyrram
Payout of Insurance: 20,000,000 (???? Why the heck is the payout so low on a 36 million isk ship?!?!)
Because NPCs sell mining barges for DOUBLE cost.
This is so those that buy the Mining Barges BPO from ORE in NORAD space can build them and sell for profit at lower prices than they cost from NPCs.
WTF? I read that like 5 times and I still can't make out a sentence structure...
NORAD, WTF does NORAD have to do with anything here? Last I check their space a bunch of losers jumped back into the bases with a fleet of vigils coming after them....losers.
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Damien Vox
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Posted - 2005.01.05 19:11:00 -
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Don't forget that insurance is the payout of the worth of the actual ship and not what you paid for it. I believe an analogy was given on another thread like this:
If you pay 1 million dollars for a Honda Civic the insurance company isn't going to pay you 1 million for it, the insurance will pay you the worth of the car, which new is about 20k.
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2005.01.05 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Vox
If you pay 1 million dollars for a Honda Civic the insurance company isn't going to pay you 1 million for it, the insurance will pay you the worth of the car, which new is about 20k.
$20,000 Honda Civic?!
 Just kidding.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.01.05 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Sela
Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: Nyrram
Payout of Insurance: 20,000,000 (???? Why the heck is the payout so low on a 36 million isk ship?!?!)
Because NPCs sell mining barges for DOUBLE cost.
This is so those that buy the Mining Barges BPO from ORE in NORAD space can build them and sell for profit at lower prices than they cost from NPCs.
WTF? I read that like 5 times and I still can't make out a sentence structure...
NORAD, WTF does NORAD have to do with anything here? Last I check their space a bunch of losers jumped back into the bases with a fleet of vigils coming after them....losers.
Ore is based in NORAD space. That's why he mentioned them. Most people don't know which regions NORAD or ORE are in but they do know who NORAD are and can check that pretty easily. ORE has nothing to do with NORAD officially, but it's a convenient way to locate their bases.
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Princess Sela
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Posted - 2005.01.05 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Princess Sela on 05/01/2005 20:16:05
Originally by: F'nog
Ore is based in NORAD space. That's why he mentioned them. Most people don't know which regions NORAD or ORE are in but they do know who NORAD are and can check that pretty easily. ORE has nothing to do with NORAD officially, but it's a convenient way to locate their bases.
I resisted and took out the really bad things I had to say about NORAD, so I will just say this.
A) they lost their station because they are a bunch of loser miners
B) they can't fight and will hide from you in bases if you enter "their space"
C) there are maybe two or three corps in NORAD that can actually pull their weight
D) they are the the MOST EBIL of EBILS as they are the EBAY scum
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AND CORRECT YOURSELF, NORAD IS BASED IN ORE SPACE NOT VICE VERSA, NORAD HAS NO SPACE....THEY NEED TO LEARN HOW TO USE THOSE SHIPS TO FIGHT BEFORE THEY CAN CLAIM A SPACE.
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Elita
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Posted - 2005.01.05 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nyrram
Total loss on Covetor: 22,000,000!!!!
That's just the ship. The real toal cost includes your strip miners, harvies, and other mods.
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Refinerbitch
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Posted - 2005.01.05 21:17:00 -
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How do we even know that Ryctor and whoever else was involved didn't have a reason to target those that got shot ?
Maybe it was a vendetta and he decided to use alts to get around the sec rating loss part. It's quite lame of course, but you can't call it griefing without knowing why he/others did it..?
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Calsak
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Posted - 2005.01.05 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Calsak on 05/01/2005 21:33:14
Hi,
I've been around the ice belts in Jita to see at first hand what has been reported here.
Only after 10 minutes after arriving a rather obviously named 'bargekiller' arrived in his Kestral to the belt and politely asked the bardges to leave, which they did. He left to the next belt and I followed.
Again at the belt he asked the barges to leave. This time they refused and after a number of seconds he opened fire. His status on my Overview DID NOT change. It remained grey, it did not change to red. Luckly Concord were already in the belt and he is destroyed soon after.
After this a Badger Industrial from the same corp as the ex-bargekiller arrived and parked quite obviously next to jet cans that the barges were mining into (the pilot of the Badger was only 5 days old). Many of the barges pilots where complaining about this being an 'ore-thief'. Obviously the barges would not empty their holds into the cans for fear of being robbed and so stopped mining, the Badger remained and when the barge pilot had had enough he warped out to another belt. The Badger moved onto the next can and the process happened again, slowly getting rid of the barges in the belt.
This looks to be the next 'griefing' tactic once the barges have had their armor increased.
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