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CrabCam
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Posted - 2005.01.06 12:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Tobiaz
Funny how so far I haven't seen a single one of the victims from the kill mails here screaming "exploit!".
The guys killed here were probably AFK multiple account alt stripminers. And though I don't think that's an offence, I hardly feel bad for them losing a ship.
Though I really think CCP has their heads up their asses concerning things that are clearly griefing and are really hurting the playerbase (corpthieves being the worst).
CCP always overreacts by coming up with the most complex solutions most of the times creating countless other problems like the secure cans and the ubersentries.
not everyone visits and / or posts on the forums..
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.01.06 12:21:00 -
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I just want to add to what GM Arkanon said here earlir. What is an alt? It's usually the other 2 characters on your account, where you have your main character.
These are commonly used for spying, market monitoring, nubbing agent missions in empire and some use them for smaller alternate tasks such as a manufacturer, miner, hauler and actually train them some.
Now, there are also other kind of "alts", which are on another account, these are very common for advanced players and really shouldn't be called "alts" at all - since the other account also has 2 spots besides the main char for the real "alts". The second account "alt" is more like "your ***** away from home" IMO. You know, you use her when you aren't using your "homey *****". However, they are still called "alts" since they aren't really _you_. Then there is the trial account ho and recycled alt ho's. You wouldn't have sex with her even if she only took five dallah and had a nice accent to go with it. But you use if for stuff you wouldn't dare use your main for cause you are such a coward which can't deal with the consequences.
Ok, then thats settled with mains, ***** away from home, alts and the ho's. Now, lets expand on the suicide kestrels with these four types of characters:
- Your main. Never used for suicide kestrels or anything resembling a suicide [insertcheapshiphere]. Never used for posting on the forums. Never used to gank in empire. (Except the real pirates and merceneries, which are proud of their profession, live and suffer with the consequences and have the scars to prove it, like -10 in sec rating)
- Your ***** away from home. This one is usually the pirate, or your other carebear agent running self since your main is a pirate. Occasionally post on the forum to give your mains forum posts more credibility. Still no suicide stuff, you don't want to ruin chars sec rating to get some cheap 3M mining turret.
- Your alts. Sometimes used for suicide kestrels and various other lame suicide attempts. Always used for posting on the forum. Used for ganking in empire and shooting Convoys. Often used as smaller specialized characters (trader, spy, hauler, miner)
- Your ho's. Always used for suicide attacks. Always goes for the players that can't defend themselves against them, most of the time nubs which have no clue. Always used to post lame kill mails on the forums. Always used to say stuff you wouldn't even dare say out loud inside your closet cause your mom might still hear you swear. Commonly mistaken as an account which we can't trace back to the real owner and commonly thought as an account which we dont ban your main, your ho and your alts for.
Under no circumstances is using ho's for killing anything else than griefing and abuse of trial and/or character system by recycling. Under all circumstances, all accounts traced to this account will be banned, usually without warning.
I think that clears it up. If not here is the simple version:
You can go kill people wherever you want if you take the consequences like a man (or a woman). You can't if you use ho's to abuse the system.
Oh, if you are considering that since you have been creating ho's for yourself or a friend through the buddy program, yes that nagging feeling about your main might get banned for it is quite warranted 
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.01.06 12:32:00 -
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Oveur, you freaking rock.
Ever heard of the Big Brother program?
And no, I'm not volunteering to be your ho. 
www.hadean.org
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.01.06 12:33:00 -
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Also, not really any of my business, but many of us believe it would be a very noble gesture if CCP was to replace some of these guy's ships that got ganked because of this recent activity.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.06 12:37:00 -
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My ears!
On a side note, Ryctor, not an alt killed a barge in Jita today. 3 hours later the pod was still in the belt. Even before the killing this person was petitioned for macro mining seein as I had stolen about 6 cans of ice from them without a word in local. 
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Shintai
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Posted - 2005.01.06 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Shintai on 06/01/2005 12:51:35
Oveur for president \o/
(And no i¦m not a carebear  )
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.01.06 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
- Your main. Never used for suicide kestrels or anything resembling a suicide [insertcheapshiphere]
Unless of course you are an insane member of the Ushra'khan who is happy to take the security hit for roleplay reasons.
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Drakxter
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Posted - 2005.01.06 13:02:00 -
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You allow people to grief/gank/whatever on other people using alts.. But you also dont allow people to use alts (or the hos as you call them Oveur) to grief/gank/whatever on other people.
What about we simple just get rid of those alts ones and for all.. I think the drawbacks are far bigger then the gains. 
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.01.06 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
*trimmage*
Under no circumstances is using ho's for killing anything else than griefing and abuse of trial and/or character system by recycling. Under all circumstances, all accounts traced to this account will be banned, usually without warning.
Beautiful!
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Quantum Ghost
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Posted - 2005.01.06 13:07:00 -
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Humm, a lack of responce from the perps...
I wonder why ?
-QG
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.01.06 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Quantum Ghost
Humm, a lack of responce from the perps...
I wonder why ?
They've been "barged" out 
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.06 13:19:00 -
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*waves*
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.01.06 13:35:00 -
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Quote:
"Under no circumstances is using ho's for killing anything else than griefing and abuse of trial and/or character system by recycling. Under all circumstances, all accounts traced to this account will be banned, usually without warning."
Nice one boss way to go!!!!!
Now perhaps we'll see the idiot lame griefers say to themselves "ah... we better not do this.... remember when they banned so and so.....".
DETERENCE.
As for these "griefers" I've noticed it is very quiet around here. CCP won't tell us but I think its safe to assume they were either put on strict probation with a very short leash or just shown the door and the dev's boot.
Either way I'm happy.
As for the "main" from A.N.U.S. corp who is apparently using a Caracal to blast barges (and losing them frequently) at least he's in a corp that can be declared war on and not using an alt although training Caracal isn't that hard so I assume it is an alt. Either way he's warning people and not griefing at least. I assume Concord is ganking his Caracals too?
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pxmars
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Posted - 2005.01.06 13:50:00 -
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I think I will send a big basket fruit to the devs. Way to go !!!
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Basileus
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Posted - 2005.01.06 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
I just want to add...Under no circumstances is using ho's for killing anything else than griefing and abuse of trial and/or character system by recycling. Under all circumstances, all accounts traced to this account will be banned, usually without warning.
I think that clears it up. If not here is the simple version:
You can go kill people wherever you want if you take the consequences like a man (or a woman). You can't if you use ho's to abuse the system.
Oh, if you are considering that since you have been creating ho's for yourself or a friend through the buddy program, yes that nagging feeling about your main might get banned for it is quite warranted
Nice one. I especially liked the bit about "five dallah". It always costs me a helluvalot more
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.01.06 15:07:00 -
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Just a quicky from me.
All the people calling for bans are pretty damn sad.
What should happen is that they are asked to stop by the GM's, and if that does not happen they should be banned.
Bloody lynch mob mentality - pathetic.
All mouth on the forums, no trousers in the game.
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Drakxter
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Posted - 2005.01.06 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Bloody lynch mob mentality - pathetic.
Thats right..
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Rogue 1690
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Posted - 2005.01.06 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rogue 1690 on 06/01/2005 15:43:29
Originally by: Avon
Just a quicky from me.
All the people calling for bans are pretty damn sad.
What should happen is that they are asked to stop by the GM's, and if that does not happen they should be banned.
Bloody lynch mob mentality - pathetic.
All mouth on the forums, no trousers in the game.
Lynch mob's have their use's,
what use does podding random miners with sucide alts achieve ?
Good on you CCP for making Eve a better place
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.01.06 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rogue 1690
Edited by: Rogue 1690 on 06/01/2005 15:43:29
Originally by: Avon
Just a quicky from me.
All the people calling for bans are pretty damn sad.
What should happen is that they are asked to stop by the GM's, and if that does not happen they should be banned.
Bloody lynch mob mentality - pathetic.
All mouth on the forums, no trousers in the game.
Lynch mob's have their use's,
what use does podding random miners with sucide alts achieve ?
Good on you CCP for making Eve a better place
You completely missed my point.
I didn't say what these people did was fair.
But then again, it wasn't technically against the rules (MF use suicide caracals to gank indies in empire, and no-one is calling for them to get banned).
If the GM's want it to stop, issue a warning.
You do not just ban people without even informing them officially that they are breaking the rules.
By all means cry for it to stop, but calling for bans is wrong.
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timmy222
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Posted - 2005.01.06 15:55:00 -
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I think that in 1.0 - 0.5 space, anyone killing a player not in a war, should have the following happen to them.
Choice 1 ban for 12 to 24 hours.
Choice 2 Fine of 10 mill isk for ships, 20 for medium and 30 mill for large ect.
Peep are getting killed in 1.0 sector space by idiots like this, if untreated the players will leave eve, and we could end up with nothing.
Should we let people like this kill a game we all love?, if numbers drop ccp will pull the plug, please think about this before u flame some poor sod in empire.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.01.06 15:56:00 -
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I think the last response makes a good closing for this thread. If you suspect people using ho's to do dirty little things then please petition for it. As you can read it's not useless because the GM's are inventive enough to trace back to a main character and that one will be in trouble as well.
Oh GM's and moderators alike are smart enough not to ban a person straight away because forum users are telling us, do not worry about that either.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.01.06 15:56:00 -
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I love you Avon
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