woa woa woa, what the F*CK is this



I AM PLEADING with you, don't do this. This will absolutely murder lowsec. Not liking LOWSEC gate camps is one thing (nullsec is apparently fine to camp) , but enabling fast tackle on any gate in lowsec is going to put a absolute stop to the traffic that exists there now.

And this wont even stop camps (as i assume this is the intention of the change). All it will promote is the time honored tradition of bouncing.

How does this work with cycling between targets?

Where are the summaries???! I don't have time to read 5 million pages of geek chat.

Where are the summaries???! I don't have time to read 5 million pages of geek chat.

Seleene commented, at this time in the discussion, that he was still waiting for the GÇÿmoney-shotGÇÖ, what about Technetium, POSes, sovereignty? CCP SoundwaveGÇÖs reply was that these topics were not on the schedule for the Winter 2012 release, but they would be covered in more detail in the next session about EVE Future, i.e. the release/s beyond Winter 2012.

CCP Ytterbium continued on the Frigate path and stated that he believed AF, Interceptors, Covert Ops, and Bombers were all well balanced, to which there were no disagreements.

Summarizing the meeting, CCP Xhagen asked the CSM what they thought of the general plan that CCP Ytterbium laid out, and asked CCP Ytterbium and CCP Soundwave what their timeframe for implementing these changes was.

also you really trolled us on incarna, not saying anything about what csm saw

Yeah, I'm not too happy about that but we'll see what can be said in the near future.

CCP Arrow also noted that they had been watching video footage of planes that were in the process
of crashing, and gaining inspiration from actual cockpit indicators that assisted pilots during an
emergency and seeing how they transitioned into a state where essentially all they were doing was
telling you that you were about to die.

CCP Ytterbium: GÇ¥Something I really don't like in Factional Warfare, is just the capital hot drop. To me it has nothing to do with what Factional Warfare is supposed to do.GÇ¥
Elise: GÇ£Well I don't know, triages are pretty cool small gang PvP thing.GÇ¥

I lol'ed. Hope you guys don't believe small-gang PvP can utilize carrier, otherwise it would be really ridiculous. At the very least it takes like 10 damage-dealers alone to counter a single triage carrier and defining a gang of 15 as small will show just how blobtarded eve has become.

You are definitely missing a true small-scale view on PvP, something between 1-5 man, where logistics are not used but constant communication is compulsory.

There are plenty of people out there that consider 10-15 people small gang PVP. Just because it doesn't fit into your master plan for how EVE PVP should work doesn't mean it is wrong. Perhaps you might spend a little more time outside of your bunker and see how the rest of us inferior people play the game.

Would have liked some more information on what all these CCP employees are actually working on...

POS revamp in early 2013, ring mining being pushed back to winter 2013, destructible outposts completely off the map, no timeline for a sov rework, nothing on bringing PI closer in line with its original design goals, nothing about the corp management UI, ...

the only positive surprise was that there seems to be some progress on an improved S&I UI.

I still have the feeling that the "iterations" concept is bad for the game - features are released in a bare-bones state that does not meet the expectations set when they were drafted, followed up by a series of small iterations that mostly fix bugs and improve usability, until focus turns elsewhere while essential parts of the original vision (that was underlying the design of the feature) never get realized.

At the same time I find it impossible to believe the "no more Jesus features" commitment when I read discussion such as the one on the revamped POSes - I can tell you today that 2/3 of the "awesome" ideas discussed in that session will never make it into actual planning while the remaining third will be postponed for future iterations and then forgotten because some more pressing issue comes along.

DUST seems to go the way of WiS - its core feature, the interaction between EVE and DUST players, that has been emphasized over and over again over the past year simply won't be available at launch.

Want me to dig up all the interviews in which CCP employees promised "EVE and DUST players will be in the same chat channels, corporations and alliances", "EVE and DUST will share the same economy", "0.0 alliances will very much want to hire DUST mercenaries for their wars", ... all these key selling points seem to be hazy at best and got postponed into the indefinite future.

I see a lot of :18months: and I don't really see where all these resources go to.

Would have liked some more information on what all these CCP employees are actually working on...

POS revamp in early 2013, ring mining being pushed back to winter 2013, destructible outposts completely off the map, no timeline for a sov rework, nothing on bringing PI closer in line with its original design goals, nothing about the corp management UI, ...

the only positive surprise was that there seems to be some progress on an improved S&I UI.

I still have the feeling that the "iterations" concept is bad for the game - features are released in a bare-bones state that does not meet the expectations set when they were drafted, followed up by a series of small iterations that mostly fix bugs and improve usability, until focus turns elsewhere while essential parts of the original vision (that was underlying the design of the feature) never get realized.

At the same time I find it impossible to believe the "no more Jesus features" commitment when I read discussion such as the one on the revamped POSes - I can tell you today that 2/3 of the "awesome" ideas discussed in that session will never make it into actual planning while the remaining third will be postponed for future iterations and then forgotten because some more pressing issue comes along.

DUST seems to go the way of WiS - its core feature, the interaction between EVE and DUST players, that has been emphasized over and over again over the past year simply won't be available at launch.

Want me to dig up all the interviews in which CCP employees promised "EVE and DUST players will be in the same chat channels, corporations and alliances", "EVE and DUST will share the same economy", "0.0 alliances will very much want to hire DUST mercenaries for their wars", ... all these key selling points seem to be hazy at best and got postponed into the indefinite future.

I see a lot of :18months: and I don't really see where all these resources go to.

At some point CCP has to deliver the features they love to talk about at FanFest and player meetings so much, and all your current organization allows you to deliver are hollow structures of what could have been (and were hyped as) awesome features (see mercenary marketplace for the most recent example, compare the original vision with the actual product, tell me this is satisfying state of affairs).

Things can change alot in 2 months when the patch goes out on the 8th we will start to hear more about the winter stuff

I doubt it - from my PoV the general issue is that the backlog of items that both players and developers can agree need significant attention is just far bigger than the willingness of CCP to assign resources to EVE.

CCP developers and the CSM agree on many existing issues, discuss possible solutions - and know there is no way that this feature will actually be implemented within the next year,.
The comment about destroyable outposts being discussed at every single CSM summit was spot on:

What point is there to rehash the same discussions on topics such as "farms and fields", "sov revamp", "mining", ... on every single summit (and FanFest) when it is obvious that CCP won't commit the resources to actually implement any of these in the foreseeable future.

And meanwhile CCP is pushing out a half-finished (yet delayed) DUST 514 and looking to resume work on WoD (see their hiring advert after 38 studios shut down).

I guess the joke is on me for having believed that things would actually change after last year's debacle.

By the way, DUST is far more than "half-finished", and WOD was never taken off of the table. Perhaps you shouldn't presume quite so much.

CCP talked a fair amount about their DUST plans at FF. You might want to go back and watch some of the video. It will start out with integration into FW, and nullsec will come later, once the dust (har har) settles from launch