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Arenas With Betting ::
Eh, this really is trouncing onto the Sandbox hard core. Let players take up the challenges of these kinds of things. You're just taking player content away. Find ways to enable players, not just feed some PVP addiction.

I'm sorry but personally I don't se how adding more tools for player created content tkes away from the sandbox. Your acting like they suggested arena that are set up by NPCs and have like daily times to enter and all of it's run by the game. It's not, it would be tools for players to set up arena. Treat the arena like a captial ship. Protect the ships inside it from attack, but make it so an attacking fleet could wreck the arena.

Think of the moment both teams lose half of thier ships and see that someone outside just hotdroped in a dread fleet. if you fly out of the arena your dead, so all you can do is sit and wait for the walls to crumble. And when they do you know you can't get away. Both teams stop fighting each other and team up.

In fact adding more points of conflict outside gates and stations is an amazing way to grow the sandbox of eve.

imo

Specifically made clear it wouldnt be instanced. Think less WoW, more Alliance Tournament Lite

CCP Soundwave also admitted that closer attention needed to be paid to the SiSi forums leading up to releases, and that he learned that lesson from this experience.

Some questions for folks that are reading the minutes:
1) The first session was a straight up transcript. Do you like that format?
2) The other sessions have a lot more direct quotes from people. Do you like this better than the past formats?

CCP Unifex wanted to explore the topic of conflict drivers a little bit further and asked, if moon
minerals are taken off the table, what is it that drives conflicts in EVE?

Seleene responded by saying that these days the major players in each alliance all hang out in the
same jabber channels and conversations after fights are more akin to chat after a friendly match
(even though titans and super caps were destroyed) rather than GÇÿhatredGÇÖ GÇô everyone is so filthy rich
that losses really donGÇÖt matter. The GÇÿromanceGÇÖ of old times, where hate and animosity where driving
factors are largely gone. The sense of loss has turned from GÇÿdamn, now I have to go and mine to
afford all this stuff againGÇÖ to GÇÿman, now I have to go to the market and spend money.GÇÖ

Two step clarified this by saying that there would be conflict drivers if it meant something to lose, in
order to get mad at someone they have to do something to hurt you. Even if alliances lose their
space, all their stuff is sitting in invulnerable stations. He took an example from Wormhole space,
where if attackers destroy you and all your things and brag about how much they are going to get
from selling it, that hurts and makes people angry.

Seleene added to this that personal animosity is the best conflict driver in EVE, not resources or
space. Currently things are like a bunch of fat people fighting over how gets to eat first at the GÇÿall
you can eatGÇÖ buffet, no one will starve, it is just the question of who is first in the line.

CCP Soundwave then commented that it sounded like if everyone lived in complete misery in EVE, it
would be a better game?

If CSM was supposed to be about damage control it failed the Incursion community without any comments helpfull here.
The June 'rollback' was a farce and I tend to think the outcry about the OTAs in CCP Affinity's DEV blog was the only real usefull feedback which will result in any help to the dying Incursion communities...
I like to reiteriate the last sentence I quoted I think that appropriately shows the CSM7's view of HI SEC:
" UAxDEATH would like to know how any of that related to null sec,"

Thanks very much CCP Affinity for the Incursion changes of Inferno 1.2 thank you for nothing CSM7

Reading this really surprized me, Comments as follows. Some were well on the ball, but the live events topic got to me, as I keep my experience from the sansha events as the highpoint of my time in eve.

Most importantly, I think can get into where they were talking about live events and just sat talking about the caravans. The most success for live events were the sansha incursions and barely touched on with more people showing up for them than any fleet battle ever to occur in null security. Largest fleet fight was a bit over 2000, but largest live event was when kuvakei attacked yulai and the response to it was alot larger and was pretty much open to all players.

I like Greyscales enthusiasm. Put a jump drive on a POS. Now that's crazy. Though I really like the vision. It reminds me of the Borg Unicomplex.