Originally by: Terra Mikael

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Edited by: Terra Mikael on 10/10/2010 15:40:48
I've been playing eve pretty much for 3 years or so, and it always seemed to be on the up and up.

Sure, we had our share of nerfs, but overall it seemed that each little expansion always had a plus. It added something to the combat aspect of the game.

And that's pretty much what eve is about - the combat. That and forum trolling. but i digresss...

But what really have we gotten recently? Planetary click-a-thon (makes mining exciting by comparison!). Oh, and the scorpion was re-skinned. Super! And the most glorious thing about the next expansion is going to be WoW style raiding in space. Oh, and we get to remake our avatars. woohoo.

Whats up with this ****ing lackluster content? There's a list of combat related problems a mile long, from from hybrids/blasters being less competitive to rockets, to destroyers to unbelievable lag, to, well, you get the picture.

Honestly its like CCP isn't even trying anymore. :****:

Waddayathing?

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Originally by: Terra Mikael

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Edited by: Terra Mikael on 10/10/2010 15:44:04

I've been playing eve pretty much for 3 years or so, and it always seemed to be on the up and up.

Sure, we had our share of nerfs, but overall it seemed that each little expansion always had a plus. It added something to the combat aspect of the game.

And that's pretty much what eve is about - the combat. That and forum trolling. but i digresss...

But what really have we gotten recently? Planetary click-a-thon (makes mining exciting by comparison!). Oh, and the scorpion was re-skinned. Super! And the most glorious thing about the next expansion is going to be WoW style raiding in space. Oh, and we get to remake our avatars. woohoo.

Whats up with this ****ing lackluster content? There's a list of combat related problems a mile long, from from hybrids/blasters being less competitive to rockets, to destroyers to unbelievable lag, to, well, you get the picture.

Honestly its like CCP isn't even trying anymore. :w a n k:

Waddayathing?

edit:apparently w a n k is a naughty word.

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Originally by: Terra Mikael

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Edited by: Terra Mikael on 10/10/2010 15:44:04

I've been playing eve pretty much for 3 years or so, and it always seemed to be on the up and up.

Sure, we had our share of nerfs, but overall it seemed that each little expansion always had a plus. It added something to the combat aspect of the game.

And that's pretty much what eve is about - the combat. That and forum trolling. but i digresss...

But what really have we gotten recently? Planetary click-a-thon (makes mining exciting by comparison!). Oh, and the scorpion was re-skinned. Super! And the most glorious thing about the next expansion is going to be WoW style raiding in space. Oh, and we get to remake our avatars. woohoo.

Whats up with this ****ing lackluster content? There's a list of combat related problems a mile long, from from hybrids/blasters being less competitive to rockets, to destroyers to unbelievable lag, to, well, you get the picture.

Honestly its like CCP isn't even trying anymore. :w a n k:

Waddayathing?

edit:apparently w a n k is a naughty word.

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Originally by: Voith

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Originally by: Terra Mikael

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Edited by: Terra Mikael on 10/10/2010 15:44:04

I've been playing eve pretty much for 3 years or so, and it always seemed to be on the up and up.

Sure, we had our share of nerfs, but overall it seemed that each little expansion always had a plus. It added something to the combat aspect of the game.

And that's pretty much what eve is about - the combat. That and forum trolling. but i digresss...

But what really have we gotten recently? Planetary click-a-thon (makes mining exciting by comparison!). Oh, and the scorpion was re-skinned. Super! And the most glorious thing about the next expansion is going to be WoW style raiding in space. Oh, and we get to remake our avatars. woohoo.

Whats up with this ****ing lackluster content? There's a list of combat related problems a mile long, from from hybrids/blasters being less competitive to rockets, to destroyers to unbelievable lag, to, well, you get the picture.

Honestly its like CCP isn't even trying anymore. :w a n k:

Waddayathing?

edit:apparently w a n k is a naughty word.

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Eve isn't going down hill.

It is already there. Eve went to **** the minute they allowed multiple characters/accounts per person.

Eve is not even a shadow of what it could have been with a 1 person = 1 Character limit.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker

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Then EVE have always been at the bottom, since it have always been like this.

By the way, why are you playing a game which have always been at the bottom?

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It is already there. Eve went to **** the minute they allowed multiple characters/accounts per person.

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Originally by: Cipher Jones

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It is already there. Eve went to **** the minute they allowed multiple characters/accounts per person.[/eve]

Every single game in existence does this and always has. Grow up.

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And until Eve every single MMO was about Elves casting Magic Missile.

Eve should just Grow up and stop trying to change things with its "sand box" and Non-Fantasy setting.

Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker

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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 10/10/2010 15:46:04

Originally by: Terra Mikael

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Edited by: Terra Mikael on 10/10/2010 15:40:48
I've been playing eve pretty much for 3 years or so, and it always seemed to be on the up and up.

Sure, we had our share of nerfs, but overall it seemed that each little expansion always had a plus. It added something to the combat aspect of the game.

And that's pretty much what eve is about - the combat. That and forum trolling. but i digresss...

But what really have we gotten recently? Planetary click-a-thon (makes mining exciting by comparison!). Oh, and the scorpion was re-skinned. Super! And the most glorious thing about the next expansion is going to be WoW style raiding in space. Oh, and we get to remake our avatars. woohoo.

Whats up with this ****ing lackluster content? There's a list of combat related problems a mile long, from from hybrids/blasters being less competitive to rockets, to destroyers to unbelievable lag, to, well, you get the picture.

Honestly its like CCP isn't even trying anymore. :****:

Waddayathing?

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I have played for aprox. 5 years now and I find EVE to be still EVE. The only thing I find have changed is we have got much more whiners on the forums, and as such the tone towards each other become worse. Because when I joined early december 2005 everyone was nice and helpful. Now everyone is bitter and full of spite. But as I say: eve have very much stayed the same as a whole.

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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god no. but the forums have been ****ing terrible recently, wtb forum mods that burninate trolls instead of letting them run around and ramble on about everything. (if only thekiller8 still played, I'd nominate him, he is the best forum mod I've ever seen)

the game could use some polish, some updates/balance to some things (geezus can they fix rockets already). Right now is a pretty damn good time.

I'd say they need to fix lag, but then the players will just blob it bigger,

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Originally by: Vak'ran

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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker

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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 10/10/2010 15:46:04

Originally by: Terra Mikael

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Edited by: Terra Mikael on 10/10/2010 15:40:48
I've been playing eve pretty much for 3 years or so, and it always seemed to be on the up and up.

Sure, we had our share of nerfs, but overall it seemed that each little expansion always had a plus. It added something to the combat aspect of the game.

And that's pretty much what eve is about - the combat. That and forum trolling. but i digresss...

But what really have we gotten recently? Planetary click-a-thon (makes mining exciting by comparison!). Oh, and the scorpion was re-skinned. Super! And the most glorious thing about the next expansion is going to be WoW style raiding in space. Oh, and we get to remake our avatars. woohoo.

Whats up with this ****ing lackluster content? There's a list of combat related problems a mile long, from from hybrids/blasters being less competitive to rockets, to destroyers to unbelievable lag, to, well, you get the picture.

Honestly its like CCP isn't even trying anymore. :****:

Waddayathing?

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I have played for aprox. 5 years now and I find EVE to be still EVE. The only thing I find have changed is we have got much more whiners on the forums, and as such the tone towards each other become worse. Because when I joined early december 2005 everyone was nice and helpful. Now everyone is bitter and full of spite. But as I say: eve have very much stayed the same as a whole.

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QFT

Only real difference is that the place has gotten busier, but with lots more to do at the same time. The only thing I really miss is the sense of wonder and the vastness of it all. I'm not sure if its the added population, the added content, my greater experience compared to the first months, or a combination of it all. Probably the latter.

As for the forums... probably the same thing: more people, more stuff to cry about, more people who claim to have all the marbles, all in one.

I'm still enjoying the game immensely.

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Originally by: Cipher Jones

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So EvE had content when you started playing but it doesn't now even tho they haven't removed any?

****ing amazing.

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Originally by: Ascendic

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Since dominion it has in fact gone down hill. Not so much in terms of no longer being EVE, but just the gameplay and quality of work being done on the game seems to have dropped substantially.

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Originally by: Shinjin Malvek

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To the OP...... Can I has your stuff??

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Originally by: Bud Johnson

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Eve isn't going downhill. The problem is that whiners are constructing a larger hill with their tears.

Easy fix: Instead of typing out that bawww post go play a different game(preferably after giving me your stuff).

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The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.

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Originally by: Professor Tarantula

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I think if CCP could go back in time there are many things they'd have done differently when making this game, which are now neigh on impossible to change, so they've put all their hopes and dreams into a new MMO they're building using what they've learned from this one.

We'll get trickle down content from this new MMO through Incarna, but aside from that i don't think any more awesome changes are coming to EVE.

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Originally by: Professor Tarantula

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Where normal people would see an increase in disgruntled customers, some just see in increase in 'trolls'.

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Originally by: Bud Johnson

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Eve isn't going downhill. The problem is that whiners are constructing a larger hill with their tears.

Easy fix: Instead of typing out that bawww post go play a different game(preferably after giving me your stuff).

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this.

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Originally by: Kaaii

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Since 2nd phase of Beta, 2003.

If they rolled it back to 2003 you all would die of frustration. The game has progressed logarithmically in the years following its release.

It has had growing pains

It will continue to do so

Show me a game better than this, with no problems, such a diverse sandbox, and I'll pay your sub.....

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The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.

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Originally by: Terra Mikael

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Whats up with this ****ing lackluster content? There's a list of combat related problems a mile long, from from hybrids/blasters being less competitive to rockets, to destroyers to unbelievable lag, to, well, you get the picture.

Honestly its like CCP isn't even trying anymore. :****:

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Originally by: Tres Farmer

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Originally by: Professor Tarantula

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I think if CCP could go back in time there are many things they'd have done differently when making this game, which are now neigh on impossible to change, so they've put all their hopes and dreams into a new MMO they're building using what they've learned from this one.

We'll get trickle down content from this new MMO through Incarna, but aside from that i don't think any more awesome changes are coming to EVE.

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The stuff trickling down on us from WoD and Dust will be the corification of the freaking whole codebase.. CCP never wouldn't even have touched this kind of work with a 10 feet pole if there wouldn't be the need for it to get WoD and Dust out of the door and maintainable.
But yeah.. keep sulking, fits you.

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Originally by: mechtech

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I think the game's in fine shape (started '05). We really need another expansion on the same quality level of Apocrypha, but from the sound of it Incursion sounds pretty great.

The only thing that I really want changed is to make the value of isk more meaningful. Everything is so cheap now, losing a BS takes about 20 minutes to replace. I chalk this up to everything basically being figured out, which makes most content trivial. Even titans aren't too hard to afford for the elite. If they would just lower mineral yields and moon mineral yields by 1/2 I'd be happy :)

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Originally by: mechtech

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We really need another expansion on the same quality level of Apocrypha

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Originally by: Professor Tarantula

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Originally by: Tres Farmer

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Originally by: Professor Tarantula

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I think if CCP could go back in time there are many things they'd have done differently when making this game, which are now neigh on impossible to change, so they've put all their hopes and dreams into a new MMO they're building using what they've learned from this one.

We'll get trickle down content from this new MMO through Incarna, but aside from that i don't think any more awesome changes are coming to EVE.

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The stuff trickling down on us from WoD and Dust will be the corification of the freaking whole codebase.. CCP never wouldn't even have touched this kind of work with a 10 feet pole if there wouldn't be the need for it to get WoD and Dust out of the door and maintainable.

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On the corification thing, Incarna is just going to fetch info from the current game, and run on an entirely different and separate engine. I have my doubts standings and charisma are even going to factor into Incarna much at all, because too many people in 0.0 have zero charisma and bad standings, and if i've learned anything over the years it's that CCP caters to them above all else, even at the expense of the overall game.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: mechtech

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We really need another expansion on the same quality level of Apocrypha

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Nah.

What we need is a non-expansion that does to game functionality what Apocrypha did to content. CCP have claimed that Apoc added more content than just about any patch before it, but it did so at a vast cost in left-behind fixes and bugs. What we need is an anti-Apocrypha: a patch that fixes unimaginable amounts of bugs and gameplay flaws, no matter how much content will have to be left by the wayside in doing so.

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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LOL at all the CCP apologists here.

I guess they don't want to admit just how bad/broken this game has gotten - or they work for ccp.

Either way, yes - 2003 player here. This game has gone to ****.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.

Originally by: baltec1

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Did CCP give out a free 5 days to all of the old bitter vets or something?

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The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Originally by: baltec1

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Did CCP give out a free 5 days to all of the old bitter vets or something?

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dunno.


if they did, I'm waiting for it cuz I haven't received them yet.

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Originally by: Bud Johnson

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Eve isn't going downhill. The problem is that whiners are constructing a larger hill with their tears.

Easy fix: Instead of typing out that bawww post go play a different game(preferably after giving me your stuff).

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Originally by: Nareg Maxence

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- I'd like some kind of instanced areas that you can explore and actually live in for a while, with stuff to find and shoot and loot. Not closed off areas obviously, open to everyone, if they can find it. Eventually you will dry out the resources and leave, closing the instance or you will be driven out by someone wanting to take over.

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Originally by: Mr Kidd

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It's the lack of casual play style in Eve, oh unless you care to mission WC for the umpteenthousandth time. Read that as lack of mission content, not that missioning even new ones approaches anything vaguely resembling engaging and challenging. The biggest challenge in the last 7 years in the mission arena was the bug introduced in Tyrannis where storyline agents were giving Level 5 missions to people running missions using level 1 & 2 agents. The only challenge there was calling in enough friends to do it.

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Originally by: Kaaii

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Since 2nd phase of Beta, 2003.

If they rolled it back to 2003 you all would die of frustration. The game has progressed logarithmically in the years following its release.

It has had growing pains

It will continue to do so

Show me a game better than this, with no problems, such a diverse sandbox, and I'll pay your sub.....

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I would love to see all these whiners here in a game where the best ship you could buy would be a cruiser, where getting 10mil was ****ing hard, where there was no functional concord in hisec, and JIP's


oh and the best miner was the thorax.

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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LOL at all the CCP apologists here.

I guess they don't want to admit just how bad/broken this game has gotten - or they work for ccp.

Either way, yes - 2003 player here. This game has gone to ****.

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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik

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Why are always vets bitter... I'm a software developer. I can be bitter too, ya know.

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Originally by: Terra Mikael

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I've been playing eve pretty much for 3 years or so

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Originally by: Umega

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Patience.

What we have is current/ex WoW players jumping into EVE. Easily spotted by their lack of patiences and need for immediate reward and gratification not brought about by their own actions, but by someone else.. namely CCP giving it to them for nothing other than they exist, they feel entitled. This will not simply disappear, but grow with the growing player base that EVE has had since its inception. And 'explode' to some extent with Incarna, and perhaps Dust.

Some 'piled empty' content is simply building blocks, a foundation towards a more indepth feature. Wormholes for example.. it has been stated that CCP has had the lore and backdrop for EVE for a long time now.. and Incursion is going to build off what Apocrypha started. Much in the same way Tyrannis is a building block to more.

Think PI is a finished product? Come on. Got to have it all right now? Then don't ***** if they have to charge 20-30 USD for each expansion to make that happen. Otherwise it is free.. CCP is still small by gaming industry standards, and providing increased depth to their game rhythmicly without extra purchasing/charging fees. And whats funny about this tho, is some people are already starting to ***** at the notion of CCP making the next step into a larger business.. yet they want more more more from them without them becoming a big company.

Think no game has balance, nerf, buff issues? EVE is the only one? Really? Get over it. No game is perfect, no game will ever be perfect. No player base in any game will be 100% satisfied. And even if EVE's 300k+ subs are say, 50k individual people with multi-accounts.. the amount of people (with alts) posting on the forums vs 50k is a very, very, very small margin to go basing the overall view of a game. The fact it has that many subs.. that continues to go up instead of down over a 7 year span should provide a more realistic answer than what maybe 10 people on the forums wish to dictate and tell you.

Don't like the game.. quit. Like the game.. play it. Shame the forums aren't as much of a knowledge source as they should be.. and more so a way for insecure personalities to feel a sense of worth by unleashing their inner selves onto others. Alert CCP to problems and issues.. cool, thats a good thing. There is actually better ways to do that doesn't involve spamming GD/ships/warfare topics and so on with the equivalant of raging, repeating Hate Mail. Chances are.. using the forums in that manner just gets other counter-points raised that bury the original thread thought anyway.

Impatiences usually results in failure. Shame too many *****es running around that can't own up to it, learn from it, grow and move on to enjoy what is already in front of them.

The Cartman syndrome.. Now now now.

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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LOL which dev are you?

Patience? Crippling lag for over a year. Serious imbalance problems, broken sov (remember treaties?), unstoppable super capital blobs (goes to balancing issues), stagnant broken boring game.

What are you playing?

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The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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LOL which dev are you?

Patience? Crippling lag for over a year. Serious imbalance problems, broken sov (remember treaties?), unstoppable super capital blobs (goes to balancing issues), stagnant broken boring game.

What are you playing?

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and before that it was titans online.


and before that it was even more crippling lag online.


and before that it was deathstar POS online.

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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LOL which dev are you?

Patience? Crippling lag for over a year. Serious imbalance problems, broken sov (remember treaties?), unstoppable super capital blobs (goes to balancing issues), stagnant broken boring game.

What are you playing?

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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Those were better than what we have now.

Bring back remote DD's and the tower grind a thousand times before cluster**** that is now.

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Originally by: Umega

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Now rub your nips and tell me just how wrong I am.

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Originally by: Umega

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coupled by the increased amount of players brought into null by renting space to compensate sov fees.

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Originally by: Umega

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I, personally, am patient enough to wait for a fix

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Originally by: Umega

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I also see and believe that CCP is trying really hard to fix it

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Originally by: Umega

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So if is it a 'stagnant broken boring game' for you.. why are you here?

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Originally by: Umega

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or is it trolling and flaming people in hopes they fire back and abuse you in some form?

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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I have more than enough isk to play for free. Anyone who is still paying is a chump.

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Originally by: Nareg Maxence

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- I'd like some kind of instanced areas that you can explore and actually live in for a while, with stuff to find and shoot and loot. Not closed off areas obviously, open to everyone, if they can find it. Eventually you will dry out the resources and leave, closing the instance or you will be driven out by someone wanting to take over.

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Originally by: Umega

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Patience.

What we have is current/ex WoW players jumping into EVE. Easily spotted by their lack of patiences and need for immediate reward and gratification not brought about by their own actions, but by someone else.. namely CCP giving it to them for nothing other than they exist, they feel entitled. This will not simply disappear, but grow with the growing player base that EVE has had since its inception. And 'explode' to some extent with Incarna, and perhaps Dust.

Some 'piled empty' content is simply building blocks, a foundation towards a more indepth feature. Wormholes for example.. it has been stated that CCP has had the lore and backdrop for EVE for a long time now.. and Incursion is going to build off what Apocrypha started. Much in the same way Tyrannis is a building block to more.

Think PI is a finished product? Come on. Got to have it all right now? Then don't ***** if they have to charge 20-30 USD for each expansion to make that happen. Otherwise it is free.. CCP is still small by gaming industry standards, and providing increased depth to their game rhythmicly without extra purchasing/charging fees. And whats funny about this tho, is some people are already starting to ***** at the notion of CCP making the next step into a larger business.. yet they want more more more from them without them becoming a big company.

Think no game has balance, nerf, buff issues? EVE is the only one? Really? Get over it. No game is perfect, no game will ever be perfect. No player base in any game will be 100% satisfied. And even if EVE's 300k+ subs are say, 50k individual people with multi-accounts.. the amount of people (with alts) posting on the forums vs 50k is a very, very, very small margin to go basing the overall view of a game. The fact it has that many subs.. that continues to go up instead of down over a 7 year span should provide a more realistic answer than what maybe 10 people on the forums wish to dictate and tell you.

Don't like the game.. quit. Like the game.. play it. Shame the forums aren't as much of a knowledge source as they should be.. and more so a way for insecure personalities to feel a sense of worth by unleashing their inner selves onto others. Alert CCP to problems and issues.. cool, thats a good thing. There is actually better ways to do that doesn't involve spamming GD/ships/warfare topics and so on with the equivalant of raging, repeating Hate Mail. Chances are.. using the forums in that manner just gets other counter-points raised that bury the original thread thought anyway.

Impatiences usually results in failure. Shame too many *****es running around that can't own up to it, learn from it, grow and move on to enjoy what is already in front of them.

The Cartman syndrome.. Now now now.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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I have more than enough isk to play for free. Anyone who is still paying is a chump.

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You really don't want people to stop paying, do you?

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Originally by: heheheh

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Originally by: Umega

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Patience.

What we have is current/ex WoW players jumping into EVE. Easily spotted by their lack of patiences and need for immediate reward and gratification not brought about by their own actions, but by someone else.. namely CCP giving it to them for nothing other than they exist, they feel entitled. This will not simply disappear, but grow with the growing player base that EVE has had since its inception. And 'explode' to some extent with Incarna, and perhaps Dust.

Some 'piled empty' content is simply building blocks, a foundation towards a more indepth feature. Wormholes for example.. it has been stated that CCP has had the lore and backdrop for EVE for a long time now.. and Incursion is going to build off what Apocrypha started. Much in the same way Tyrannis is a building block to more.

Think PI is a finished product? Come on. Got to have it all right now? Then don't ***** if they have to charge 20-30 USD for each expansion to make that happen. Otherwise it is free.. CCP is still small by gaming industry standards, and providing increased depth to their game rhythmicly without extra purchasing/charging fees. And whats funny about this tho, is some people are already starting to ***** at the notion of CCP making the next step into a larger business.. yet they want more more more from them without them becoming a big company.

Think no game has balance, nerf, buff issues? EVE is the only one? Really? Get over it. No game is perfect, no game will ever be perfect. No player base in any game will be 100% satisfied. And even if EVE's 300k+ subs are say, 50k individual people with multi-accounts.. the amount of people (with alts) posting on the forums vs 50k is a very, very, very small margin to go basing the overall view of a game. The fact it has that many subs.. that continues to go up instead of down over a 7 year span should provide a more realistic answer than what maybe 10 people on the forums wish to dictate and tell you.

Don't like the game.. quit. Like the game.. play it. Shame the forums aren't as much of a knowledge source as they should be.. and more so a way for insecure personalities to feel a sense of worth by unleashing their inner selves onto others. Alert CCP to problems and issues.. cool, thats a good thing. There is actually better ways to do that doesn't involve spamming GD/ships/warfare topics and so on with the equivalant of raging, repeating Hate Mail. Chances are.. using the forums in that manner just gets other counter-points raised that bury the original thread thought anyway.

Impatiences usually results in failure. Shame too many *****es running around that can't own up to it, learn from it, grow and move on to enjoy what is already in front of them.

The Cartman syndrome.. Now now now.

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+1, good post.

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Originally by: baltec1

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Did CCP give out a free 5 days to all of the old bitter vets or something?

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Originally by: Pesky LaRue

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Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 10/10/2010 18:03:56

Originally by: Professor Tarantula

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Where normal people would see an increase in disgruntled customers, some just see in increase in 'trolls'.

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Disgruntled customers unsubscribe, trolls come to the forums spreading their piss and vinegar

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Originally by: Liz Viscious

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It's good enough to keep my subscribed until Diablo III (or beta) come my way.

Can't ask for much more than that.

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Originally by: xavier69

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Edited by: xavier69 on 11/10/2010 00:11:13

PI being so time based should have been setup per planet then one click per 24 hours per planet not 20 clicks per planet

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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Edited by: HarrietMiers on 10/10/2010 23:18:16

Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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I have more than enough isk to play for free. Anyone who is still paying is a chump.

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You really don't want people to stop paying, do you?

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People pay for eve after there first few months?

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Originally by: Reiisha

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Also, someone always pays for EVE. Where do you think those plex are coming from? Thin air? Loot drops?

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Originally by: Reiisha

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That said, if you don't like the game as it is now, don't play it.

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Originally by: Reiisha

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It's quite annoying to keep hearing people complain year in year out.

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Originally by: Cipher Jones

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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 10/10/2010 16:00:46

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It is already there. Eve went to **** the minute they allowed multiple characters/accounts per person.

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Every single game in existence does this and always has. Grow up.

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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph

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Edited by: Orange Lagomorph on 11/10/2010 02:18:27
Confirming that someone has been paying approximately $15 per month for each and every individual EVE Online account since 2003.

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Originally by: anonymous

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WE JUST DID SCIENCE!

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Originally by: Zagdul

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: mechtech

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We really need another expansion on the same quality level of Apocrypha

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Nah.

What we need is a non-expansion that does to game functionality what Apocrypha did to content. CCP have claimed that Apoc added more content than just about any patch before it, but it did so at a vast cost in left-behind fixes and bugs. What we need is an anti-Apocrypha: a patch that fixes unimaginable amounts of bugs and gameplay flaws, no matter how much content will have to be left by the wayside in doing so.

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And a pony for everyone.

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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Edited by: HarrietMiers on 11/10/2010 05:30:09
Sure bro, eve is doing just great!

Screw all the haters yeah!

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The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.

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Originally by: oil

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promotion of treason with their new trailer

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The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.

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Originally by: Grimpak

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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LOL which dev are you?

Patience? Crippling lag for over a year. Serious imbalance problems, broken sov (remember treaties?), unstoppable super capital blobs (goes to balancing issues), stagnant broken boring game.

What are you playing?

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and before that it was titans online.


and before that it was even more crippling lag online.


and before that it was deathstar POS online.

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Originally by: Terra Mikael

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And that's pretty much what eve is about - the combat. That and forum trolling. but i digresss...

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Originally by: Voith

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Originally by: Cipher Jones

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It is already there. Eve went to **** the minute they allowed multiple characters/accounts per person.[/eve]

Every single game in existence does this and always has. Grow up.

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And until Eve every single MMO was about Elves casting Magic Missile.

Eve should just Grow up and stop trying to change things with its "sand box" and Non-Fantasy setting.

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I said every game, and EvE isnt the first mmo or game w/o magic missile. Also, you could have multiple accounts of eve from the day it was released, nullifying your arguement.

Originally by: yourdoingitwrong

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pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.

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Originally by: yourdoingitwrong

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pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.

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Originally by: yourdoingitwrong

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pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.

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Originally by: Terra Mikael

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Edited by: Terra Mikael on 10/10/2010 15:44:04

I've been playing eve pretty much for 3 years or so, and it always seemed to be on the up and up.

Sure, we had our share of nerfs, but overall it seemed that each little expansion always had a plus. It added something to the combat aspect of the game.

And that's pretty much what eve is about - the combat. That and forum trolling. but i digresss...

But what really have we gotten recently? Planetary click-a-thon (makes mining exciting by comparison!). Oh, and the scorpion was re-skinned. Super! And the most glorious thing about the next expansion is going to be WoW style raiding in space. Oh, and we get to remake our avatars. woohoo.

Whats up with this ****ing lackluster content? There's a list of combat related problems a mile long, from from hybrids/blasters being less competitive to rockets, to destroyers to unbelievable lag, to, well, you get the picture.

Honestly its like CCP isn't even trying anymore. :****:

Waddayathing?

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist

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Originally by: Snowmann

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Why does it nearly always have to come down to hatebois vs. fanbois?

Eventhough you may really hate where the game is now, it has been worse in the past, and will most certainly be better in the future and maybe even worse once again at some point. It's a "glass is half empty" vs. "glass is half full" thing.

Stop living in the moment surrounded by a fog of tunnel vission and realize that things will always have their ups and downs. It's called life, and we are all human. Humans make mistakes; we are not perfect. Stop expecting perfection. You will only always end up a disappointed hatebois.

/realisticbois

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Originally by: yourdoingitwrong

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...A fanboi is a dangerous element who's tunnel vision goes into seeing that no improvement ever goes into a game. Because "nothing" is ever wrong. When things are going bad CCP needs to know it.

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Originally by: yourdoingitwrong

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pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.

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Originally by: Snowmann

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Why does it nearly always have to come down to hatebois vs. fanbois?

Eventhough you may really hate where the game is now, it has been worse in the past, and will most certainly be better in the future and maybe even worse once again at some point. It's a "glass is half empty" vs. "glass is half full" thing.

Stop living in the moment surrounded by a fog of tunnel vission and realize that things will always have their ups and downs. It's called life, and we are all human. Humans make mistakes; we are not perfect. Stop expecting perfection. You will only always end up a disappointed hatebois.

/realisticbois

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Originally by: Brian Ballsack

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lol
i love it how you +1 with another of your chars.

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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Either way, yes - 2003 player here. This game has gone to ****.

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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Eve was originally designed as a niche game, and it was so good precisely for that reason.

Eve was a game designed by and for people who appreciate that planning and intelligence should be the path to success. The devs understood back then that you can't have a true victory without the possibility of defeat.

However, since the publishing deal which saw the re-release of a boxed set a while back, the emphasis has increasingly been on making Eve appeal to a more mainstream audience.

Now, there's nothing wrong with being in the mainstream, but the world would be a worse place if everything was there.

For example, I'm sure that the musical stylings of Cheryl Cole bring pleasure to millions of people, but her songs aren't to everyone's taste, so it's good that there are still a few people with actual talent out there releasing music.

And so it is with Eve. The gaming world will be a worse place if CCP continue to go down the path of doing things just because other games are doing them. Rather, they should continue to innovate and break new ground.

Bringing in microtransactions isn't either of those.

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Originally by: Fuzzy Something

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I just came back after being away a year-and-a-half, and I'm actually amazed at just how little EvE has changed since 2008. Even the forum whines are about the same (see: "Why can't I set the autopilot on warp to zero?" and "I got ganked in highsec, isn't CONCORD supposed to protect me?")

If anything, I like the place better now than I did, because the forums are not full of Goon spam. That got old in a hurry.

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Originally by: Nikita Haley

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Expected the op to be about Gallente ships, left disappointed.

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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and as an empire dweller imo very little has actually changed for me. my impression of 0.0 is a fairly stagnate pvp environment, with people just endlessly farming anoms all day long, and have to dock/pos up every now and then because a neutral comes through.

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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer

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Rather than read this entire thread, and look at pro and con arguments, I want to just simplify things right now.

I am going to take my shirt off, and challenge all of you to a wrestling match.

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I have played for aprox. 5 years now and I find EVE to be still EVE. The only thing I find have changed is we have got much more whiners on the forums, and as such the tone towards each other become worse. Because when I joined early december 2005 everyone was nice and helpful. Now everyone is bitter and full of spite. But as I say: eve have very much stayed the same as a whole.

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Originally by: MasterEnt

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I have played for aprox. 5 years now and I find EVE to be still EVE. The only thing I find have changed is we have got much more whiners on the forums, and as such the tone towards each other become worse. Because when I joined early december 2005 everyone was nice and helpful. Now everyone is bitter and full of spite. But as I say: eve have very much stayed the same as a whole.

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WIN - I have been playing since beta and I can confirm this.

Though I have to admit that the increased whiners have not only jaded old players, but CCP/EVE customer support and GMs as well.

Why don't they replace things anymore - too many f-in whiners.

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Originally by: yourdoingitwrong

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pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.

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Originally by: CCP Shadow

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*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.

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Originally by: MasterEnt

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I have played for aprox. 5 years now and I find EVE to be still EVE. The only thing I find have changed is we have got much more whiners on the forums, and as such the tone towards each other become worse. Because when I joined early december 2005 everyone was nice and helpful. Now everyone is bitter and full of spite. But as I say: eve have very much stayed the same as a whole.

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WIN - I have been playing since beta and I can confirm this.

Though I have to admit that the increased whiners have not only jaded old players, but CCP/EVE customer support and GMs as well.

Why don't they replace things anymore - too many f-in whiners.

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Originally by: Nicholas Barker

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Why can't somebody leak the server code like in Lineage2 and UO.

I'd sort this game right out.

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Originally by: Paknac Queltel

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Originally by: Nicholas Barker

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Why can't somebody leak the server code like in Lineage2 and UO.

I'd sort this game right out.

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There's an open-source EVE server that needs quite a bit of sorting.

With your help, they might even be able to PVP someday.

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Originally by: Brian Ballsack

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Most of these so called bitter old vets, are not bitter old vets.
They are ex wow players that bought an old char and pretended they know which hole they are talking out of.
bear this in mind.

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Originally by: Professor Tarantula

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Originally by: Brian Ballsack

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Most of these so called bitter old vets, are not bitter old vets.
They are ex wow players that bought an old char and pretended they know which hole they are talking out of.
bear this in mind.

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You seem to know much about this.

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Originally by: Professor Tarantula

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Originally by: Brian Ballsack

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Most of these so called bitter old vets, are not bitter old vets.
They are ex wow players that bought an old char and pretended they know which hole they are talking out of.
bear this in mind.

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You seem to know much about this.

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Originally by: Brian Ballsack

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Is the collective term for "crap" a "bunch" ?

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Originally by: Ocih

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Originally by: Brian Ballsack

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Is the collective term for "crap" a "bunch" ?

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Thats the best you could manage?

Get the **** out of the house dude. U need air.

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Originally by: Brian Ballsack

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Originally by: Ocih

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Originally by: Brian Ballsack

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Is the collective term for "crap" a "bunch" ?

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Thats the best you could manage?

Get the **** out of the house dude. U need air.

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Just asking a question man, whats your problem ?

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Originally by: Ocih

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Originally by: Brian Ballsack

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Originally by: Ocih

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Originally by: Brian Ballsack

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Is the collective term for "crap" a "bunch" ?

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Thats the best you could manage?

Get the **** out of the house dude. U need air.

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Just asking a question man, whats your problem ?

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Oh no. A flame on the EvE forums. Whatever shall I do?

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Originally by: Terra Mikael

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Edited by: Terra Mikael on 13/10/2010 04:54:37

Originally by: MasterEnt

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I have played for aprox. 5 years now and I find EVE to be still EVE. The only thing I find have changed is we have got much more whiners on the forums, and as such the tone towards each other become worse. Because when I joined early december 2005 everyone was nice and helpful. Now everyone is bitter and full of spite. But as I say: eve have very much stayed the same as a whole.

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WIN - I have been playing since beta and I can confirm this.

Though I have to admit that the increased whiners have not only jaded old players, but CCP/EVE customer support and GMs as well.

Why don't they replace things anymore - too many f-in whiners.

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Yes definitely. It is only because people whine that CCP's product quality and services have sucked complete ass lately. It only makes sense.

Logically, we can follow this through.

People whine->patch comes->people whine->quality goes down some more->people whine.

So the cause of eve's problems are from people not thinking happy thoughts about eve. The correlation couldn't be more clear.

If people would stop complaining, eve would suddenly be as awesome (lol?) as it was in beta.

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Originally by: HarrietMiers

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Originally by: Reiisha

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Also, someone always pays for EVE. Where do you think those plex are coming from? Thin air? Loot drops?

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Read my quote. People still pay for eve? Had nothing to do with it back in 03. Contact me in game, I'd be happy to give you the name of my main from back then.

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Originally by: Brutorr

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Stop you're bitching.

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Originally by: Bud Johnson

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Eve isn't going downhill. The problem is that whiners are constructing a larger hill with their tears.

Easy fix: Instead of typing out that bawww post go play a different game(preferably after giving me your stuff).

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Originally by: yourdoingitwrong

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pretty funny to see the game literally degrading before everyone's eyes and the fanbois in epic denial mode. Every time I see it it's painful to watch, doesn't get easier with time.

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Originally by: Phony v2

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One solution, I believe is for the game to move away from blob warfare. Or to change the tactics involved in blob warfare.

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Originally by: Whelan Jr

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Originally by: Phony v2

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One solution, I believe is for the game to move away from blob warfare. Or to change the tactics involved in blob warfare.

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This.

More specifically, remove capital ships and cynos. The ability of an alliance to drop huge firepower across huge expanses of space dramatically "shrunk" 0.0 space. When they're gone....an alliance of formerly "high-sec" corporations has a much better chance of moving into, and holding, new space. Plus, it seems intuitively that having nothing larger than battle ships will make combat, strategy, and tactics, much more fun and engaging.

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Originally by: Lady Parity

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Yes eve is going down hill

0.0 - Too many NAPs, it is hilarious how NC compare their coalition to RL but fail to include other RL stuff that prevent MASS NAPing, the BFF prop that convinced the noobs that fighting 10000000000000:1 odds just makes them look even worse than they are.

So that means 0.0 is out of the question, I like diplomacy I hate being NAPed to everything in 73 jumps where all I see everyday is people *****ing about someone else taking their ratting space.

Ok so that sums up 0.0, fortunately the south always has activity but only thanks to bitter vets leaving :'(

WHs, are nice and fun really nice that CCP introduced them but sadly dont get as much activity as they should, still much better than NAP land.

Low sec, low sec has been dead for years

Empire, identically to Northern 0.0 (because theirs really no combat in either territories) I now spend most of my time station spinning wondering when I will cancel my remaining accounts.

CCP need to fix the following

1. NAPs, they want it like RL then add food consumption / capacity on troops, "just like Iraq vs USA"

2. Fix lagg, havent played in a few weeks kindda already quit but im going to assume lagg is still around which will always be there as long as there is freedom to MASS NAP / BLOB

3. More unholy rages, kill off all macro ratters / miners

4. Introduce an expansion that encourages war and reduces NAPs

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Originally by: Lady Parity

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Yes eve is going down hill

0.0 - Too many NAPs, it is hilarious how NC compare their coalition to RL but fail to include other RL stuff that prevent MASS NAPing, the BFF prop that convinced the noobs that fighting 10000000000000:1 odds just makes them look even worse than they are.

So that means 0.0 is out of the question, I like diplomacy I hate being NAPed to everything in 73 jumps where all I see everyday is people *****ing about someone else taking their ratting space.

Ok so that sums up 0.0, fortunately the south always has activity but only thanks to bitter vets leaving :'(

WHs, are nice and fun really nice that CCP introduced them but sadly dont get as much activity as they should, still much better than NAP land.

Low sec, low sec has been dead for years

Empire, identically to Northern 0.0 (because theirs really no combat in either territories) I now spend most of my time station spinning wondering when I will cancel my remaining accounts.

CCP need to fix the following

1. NAPs, they want it like RL then add food consumption / capacity on troops, "just like Iraq vs USA"

2. Fix lagg, havent played in a few weeks kindda already quit but im going to assume lagg is still around which will always be there as long as there is freedom to MASS NAP / BLOB

3. More unholy rages, kill off all macro ratters / miners

4. Introduce an expansion that encourages war and reduces NAPs

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Originally by: Lady Parity

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Yes eve is going down hill

0.0 - Too many NAPs, it is hilarious how NC compare their coalition to RL but fail to include other RL stuff that prevent MASS NAPing, the BFF prop that convinced the noobs that fighting 10000000000000:1 odds just makes them look even worse than they are.

So that means 0.0 is out of the question, I like diplomacy I hate being NAPed to everything in 73 jumps where all I see everyday is people *****ing about someone else taking their ratting space.

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Originally by: Phony v2

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Edited by: Phony v2 on 16/10/2010 03:45:13

Originally by: Lady Parity

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Yes eve is going down hill

0.0 - Too many NAPs, it is hilarious how NC compare their coalition to RL but fail to include other RL stuff that prevent MASS NAPing, the BFF prop that convinced the noobs that fighting 10000000000000:1 odds just makes them look even worse than they are.

So that means 0.0 is out of the question, I like diplomacy I hate being NAPed to everything in 73 jumps where all I see everyday is people *****ing about someone else taking their ratting space.

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I'm guessing you are saying that NAPs dont work in real life because why would two people just sit next to each other and not fight while they are deploying troops somewhere, and not fight anything? But you are forgetting in EVE that When group A and Group B are in a war with each other, they are not the only combatant groups. You are forgetting NPCs. Even though they are NPC's they are still a thingeveryone is fighting and making money and other things off of to be able to sustain a military force. That is why it works in EVE and not in real life...( and all the other stuff that makes a corp/alliance/coalition money)

edit: I dont endorse NAP's. I would like to have as many people as possible to kill and try to kill me...I was just explaining the difference...

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Originally by: Simetraz

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Edited by: Simetraz on 16/10/2010 04:57:58
I have yet to meet someone in game who actually reads the forums.

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Originally by: Vaal Erit

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Originally by: Nareg Maxence

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- I'd like some kind of instanced areas that you can explore and actually live in for a while, with stuff to find and shoot and loot. Not closed off areas obviously, open to everyone, if they can find it. Eventually you will dry out the resources and leave, closing the instance or you will be driven out by someone wanting to take over.

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Perhaps one day CCP will release a cool system to work with our scanning system. Like create over 5000 systems that you can only get to by scanning out a spatial anomaly or "wormhole". This "wormhole" will lead to unique places with special effects like increased dps or increased range on your weapons and have new challenging NPCs with very good AI. Eventually the complexes there will not re-spawn and I'll be forced to look around. Even more there could be a whole class of ships based on the parts I find in these "wormholes". Man, if only CCP would release something like that I'd sub forever.

And to all the other crybabies, you call the game broken but cannot point to a single change that broke the game. Lag is much better than post dominion, I've been in 500 man fights recently. I own people daily in blaster ships and rockets are getting fixed and you can use a non-rocket ship in the mean time. I have >10 solo kills in 0.0 this week and I'm not even trying. HTFU whiners.

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Originally by: Terra Mikael

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we've had two boring expansions since then (dominion,tyrannis), and we are going to have two more boring ones after that (incursion and incarna).

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Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing

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Originally by: Brutorr

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Stop you're bitching.

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Only when you learn to use an apostrophe correctly.

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Originally by: RiskyFrisky

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Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing

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Originally by: Brutorr

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Stop you're bitching.

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Only when you learn to use an apostrophe correctly.

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Stop, you're *****ing.

Fixed?

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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails

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my name actually is short for catherine

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Originally by: Sarton Wells

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Originally by: Terra Mikael

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we've had two boring expansions since then (dominion,tyrannis), and we are going to have two more boring ones after that (incursion and incarna).

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Tyrannis though, besides the need of a revamp which is coming with Incursion, is a definite plus for the game. Incursion and Incarna also look that way. So from my POV Eve is going up, up and away. If you don't like them it's your own problem. It's impossible to please everyone. Eventually there will be expansions that I find boring and you like a lot. And if such a time doesn't come you've always been free to decide that this game is not for you.

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Originally by: Fulkurth

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Edited by: Fulkurth on 20/10/2010 02:05:15
And they say us new players are whiners...

Get off your high horse Mr and Mrs (because I'd hate to be sexist) "My account as 04 on it! ALL ELSE SUCK!"

Not fun for you, can I have your stuff?

If you don't enjoy it, don't play it.
But certainly don't go and whine about it, you just make us new players laugh some more

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Originally by: Fulkurth

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Aww bless Miss OP gets all annoyed when us Newbies put others in their places?

Seriously you don't wanna be trolled, don't post on Eve forums; or has your Vet status not taught you that yet?

The fact is if you don't like Eve don't play it.
You whining, and others in this thread who shall remain unnamed because you seem like much more fun, merely goes to highlight the fact why most of us newbies really don't respect you guys at all.

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Originally by: Fulkurth

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or your Vet status has also failed to inform you on "Forum Alts"

Though, Mistress sounds fun

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Originally by: Terra Mikael

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Hey, whining on the forums WORKS.

Remember all those ******ed people who couldn't use webs? Well, they slowed down the whole universe for them in quantum rise!

All I'm whining about is CCP doing things half-assed. This should be easy!

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Originally by: Fulkurth

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The problem is this thread hasn't been about half assed CCP it has been about "Vets" claiming the game has gone down hill while there are perfectly fine "new" players who find the game entertaining; and through the eyes you and I saw it however many years ago.

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Originally by: Terra Mikael

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So basically you are admiting to being ******ed? If you wanted to click circles all day on a sphere (aka, being a tyrant of a planet) there are plenty of toys for toddlers you might also like.

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Originally by: Fulkurth

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The problem is this thread hasn't been about half assed CCP it has been about "Vets" claiming the game has gone down hill while there are perfectly fine "new" players who find the game entertaining; and through the eyes you and I saw it however many years ago.

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Hey! Don't forget that there's also new players (like me) who complain about the learning skills and the fact that everything takes so darn long and vets whining about those new players and threatening with emoragequitting if CCP does something to increase skill training speed "because I also had to go through it"!

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Originally by: Emperor Cheney

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Here's a thought: if you got your ass handed to you despite having a billion more skillpoints than your enemy, maybe you suck.

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Originally by: Nicholas Barker

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Originally by: Emperor Cheney

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Here's a thought: if you got your ass handed to you despite having a billion more skillpoints than your enemy, maybe you suck.

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Implying people are complaining about the game just because they lost a fight, and not because the new features are terribly thought out or just unpolished and left to rot.

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Originally by: Emperor Cheney

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edit to add: that said, I'd point out that in a PVP game, the interests of the "bitter vets" generally do not coincide with the interests of the new players, and may in fact be at odds. e.g. PI may be an annoying clickfest, but then so was hauling NPC goods to buy my first cruiser last year, and that was way less profitable.

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