Originally by: Scatim Helicon

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also gay

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Originally by: Dark Motoko

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Let's face it, some of the largest shifts of alliance stability in recent history have been down to people disbanding alliances via espionage rather than combat. It's actually been quite refreshing to see -A- begin to die off, to let us know something like this can still happen... when a dozen alliances are involved and their allies turn on them at least.

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Originally by: Whalles Bloomfield'III

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Edited by: Whalles Bloomfield''III on 12/10/2010 19:05:34

Originally by: Dark Motoko

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Let's face it, some of the largest shifts of alliance stability in recent history have been down to people disbanding alliances via espionage rather than combat. It's actually been quite refreshing to see -A- begin to die off, to let us know something like this can still happen... when a dozen alliances are involved and their allies turn on them at least.

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-A- simple left space. We moved out all stuff 2 weeks before first systems were attacked. EvE is all about the endless battles between giant blobs of blue. We tried to make it interesting again by neuting most of our neighbors but see how that went :) 0.0 alliances have become happy with not having to worry about enemys next door. Alliance wars, birth and death are like Ocean waves moving back and forth in slow and giant motions.

Is this good ?? Is it bad ?? who knows, who cares just play or go wait for Cataclysm. its out 12-7-2010

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Originally by: Torothin

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First off,

This is a great game. I have been "eveing" it up for 7 years now. I have met a lot of very cool people and have had a lot of fun. My funnest times seem to be back in the 03/04/05/06 era when your alliance ticker was in your Bio does anyone remember those good old days? I watched in amazement when there were 10k people online at once. I thought to myself how much bigger could this game get? Now I find myself logging on once a month if that. I really don't have time to contribute to any major alliance ops mainly because I am not willing to sit infront of my computer for a 3-5 hour CTA. Solo pvp is pretty much dead and you are gaurunteed to run into a 12 man roaming gang(at the least) in any 0.0 incursion. Everyone has a titan now and my caps run the risk of getting 1 volleyed. ABC ore is everywhere, I sometimes find myself in a system with 1200 people in it and it takes me 10 minutes to activate a module. Thank you CCP for this great game but like many others have stated I have lost interest. Good luck to everyone and fly safe!

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Originally by: Minigin

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do you want to hear what has happend to this game?

there are coalitions that put together 60 man "roaming gangs" that camp entry gates to their own space. i had the pleasure of listening to one today where i litteraly heard the fc say in the space of a min, how they could not find anyone willing to fight their gang because of its size and in the same sentence asking for more logistics ships to join his gang.

the best part of all this is people not only let this happen and think this is the normal state of the game, but they encourage it at expence of their own time and enjoyment.

you have the power to change this... but you wont...

and we wonder why the old school people are leaving en-masse.

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Originally by: Maximilian Black

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Also concur that it's looking nigh impossible for a small alliance move into 0.0 without becoming a pet of a bigger alliance. How in the world can any new small alliance stand up to the gargantuan fleets that the megablock alliances can field within hours? They can't. This is pretty disheartening to those that would like to try and forge their own little corner of EVE. A small alliance can spend months and months trying to carve out their niche, and on a whim a big alliance can swoop in and take them out in a couple days. To me, the aspect of EVE's play balancing is way, way, way out of whack.

Methinks it's time for CCP to nerf moon mats, increase the cost/time/requirements for building supercaps and titans. Yup, these alliances may be rich, so make them burn through their cash faster by increasing their costs. Of course, the downside there is that also makes it harder for small alliances to build supercaps and titans. Sigh.

Oh, what the hell, never mind... ;)

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Originally by: Torothin

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I really don't have time to contribute to any major alliance ops mainly because I am not willing to sit infront of my computer for a 3-5 hour CTA. Solo pvp is pretty much dead and you are gaurunteed to run into a 12 man roaming gang(at the least) in any 0.0 incursion.

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Originally by: Whalles Bloomfield'III

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Not so much sov mechanics that force big blob alliance but game itself. There is no penalty for having everyone blue and being Gargantuan in Size. The increased cost of systems is negligible especially as you can simple put a rent alliance there.

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Originally by: Dark Motoko

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*snip* Large alliances have built up huge wealth and are therefore untouchable *snip*

(This is my summary of your post, please feel free to clarify/contend if this is not what you meant)

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Originally by: Dark Motoko

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If CCP were to try fixing the problem by adding a few new regions, all we'll see is the current superpowers sprawling into them. If they try to set a cap on perhaps a single alliance being able to hold at most one region - all the players would do would be to create a couple additional alliances under alts - eg, a situation like The Initiative, Initiative Associates and Initiative Mercenaries, you can see how it would go.

So at this stage, I'm unsure what CCP actually could do.

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Originally by: The IronDuke

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Edited by: The IronDuke on 13/10/2010 06:30:25

Originally by: Dark Motoko

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If CCP were to try fixing the problem by adding a few new regions, all we'll see is the current superpowers sprawling into them. If they try to set a cap on perhaps a single alliance being able to hold at most one region - all the players would do would be to create a couple additional alliances under alts - eg, a situation like The Initiative, Initiative Associates and Initiative Mercenaries, you can see how it would go.

So at this stage, I'm unsure what CCP actually could do.

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Eve Colombus is weary of the old world politics and entrenched powers. No one likes him so he's forced to toil away the years in high sec. If only he could find a sector free of the oppressive rents and backbreaking labor required by the alliance Regionlords.

While out on a survey mission for the Amarr empire (trying to find a new slave route to minmatar), Eve colombus discovers a new regional stargate**. Thinking this could lead to the trade route he's looking for, he goes through. On the other side he finds himself in a new region cluster, devoid of any civilized capsuleer developement. Hoping to gain the favor of the most powerful 0.0 aristocracy, eve Colombus contacts the Northern Coalition to begin immediate colonization. The alliances move in, the jump freighters are loaded with POSes, the MOMs are stocked with fighter bombers, and the titans prep their doomsdays.


The cynos light. Nothing happens. The newly discovered regions are out of jump range. No capital built in the old world will ever reach the new. Fun ensues.

Sure, build a supercap in this detached cluster, knowing it can never leave it.

**obviously this won't be the only stargate to this cluster, there will be dozens.

Flame on

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Originally by: ps3ud0nym

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Wall of text

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Originally by: Torothin

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ragequit

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Originally by: Shinma Apollo

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Refine dreads with perfect refining skills, ship freighters, cook for 1 week = it probably seemed like a good idea while you were typing it.

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Originally by: ps3ud0nym

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What causes the very things you complain about is that there is a cost to death in EVE. If you want a game like you are describing, you are going to have to remove or reduce that cost. Then you would have tonnes of people roaming on their own looking for solo PVP, it wouldn't matter if they got ganked while looking. The problem, in my mind, is that then it wouldn't be EVE, it would be WoW in space, and I don't want to play that.

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Originally by: ChaeDoc II

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Prolly a dumb idea though.

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Originally by: Darknesss

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*snip*

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Originally by: Darknesss

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Personally I think there are far too many valuable resources in the game. At the moment there is so much money floating around the largest most expensive ships are throw away toys to most alliances - the only real damage losing a titan does is possibly to morale, but thats where the pain ends, and even morale isn't that damaged by a titan loss anymore.

People used to have an incentive to fight because there simply weren't enough resources for everyone to make really good money. Thats all changed now, massive coalitions can split up the resources between dozens of alliances and still make massive profits from moons which require little to no effort to run.

There was a time alliances would go bankrupt in wars, and ops and effort had to be put into replacing ships (remember those mass alliance mining ops stripping belts not because you enjoyed mining but because they were the only way to afford battleships). It used to be crokite belts were the resource to have, difference is there were alot less crokite belts than there are valuable moons now, and big wars were fought over the systems with crokite in, also mining crokite actually required some large scale effort. Moons dont.

With all of this easy isk .........

Alliances should be put under pressure to exist, it shouldn't be so damned easy. It should cost money and money should be tight. There should be far fewer valuable resources and making money should be something that requires group effort. You may think these changes cant be made now, and you wouldn't see the effects for a long time because of the isk thats already in the market, but eventually alliances wallets would start getting drained, would start to look low and the pressure would be on to replenish the wallet. Naturally when you take away comfort and money fights happen, and anyone from the days when isk was tight will remember it was damned fun, PvP got the adrenaline going not just because it was fun but because it was not easy thing replacing a ship.

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Originally by: Shemmy

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Originally by: ps3ud0nym

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What causes the very things you complain about is that there is a cost to death in EVE. If you want a game like you are describing, you are going to have to remove or reduce that cost. Then you would have tonnes of people roaming on their own looking for solo PVP, it wouldn't matter if they got ganked while looking. The problem, in my mind, is that then it wouldn't be EVE, it would be WoW in space, and I don't want to play that.

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Maybe, but looking from the OP's point of view, that cost is so much less (relatively speaking) now than it used to be. You always have the option these days to get money from somewhere.

Brings to mind all the remeniscences of the early 1950's here in the UK - "Aye, we were poor, but we were happy!" It's all alien to me, I don't understand the causes, but I completely agree with the OP's view. For what it's worth, I do think this is an inevitable result of introducing more features and more players into the game.

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Originally by: Vuk Lau

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Just as a quick comment. Its only a myth that 0.0 alliances are rich. Some of the yeah, esp the old ones (or the new ones but with old corps) but you would be amazed to realize how many 0.0 alliances even big ones have issues with funding their operations. Even if you think that isk is not an issue for 0.0 conflicts it actually is.

Looking from our bittervet POW loosing several battleships/hacs/caps in a row is maybe not an issue but for a lot of John Doe 0.0 pilots it is. From the other side I agree that there are huge amounts of isk in the game, and CCP is aware of that, but source for that isk is not 0.0, IMHO the broken link in the chain is empire which generates abnormal amount of isk for...lets say minimal isk.
W
Now the balancing problem is that the easiest way should be to lower highsec isk mission income, but that will never happen cause we would have pubbie riots.
From the other hand increasing the costs of living in 0.0 would make even harder for smaller and poorer entities to venture into it.

The biggest problem is that believe it or not the vast of 0.0 is completely unpopulated or unused. There is no easy way to solve that, esp. with current mechanics and i dont see that changed anytime soon. What I proposed and I am sure it would bring more people into 0.0 and would spice things a bit is implementing more 0.0 entry points but from lowsec or even highsec deep into 0.0 which would make some current ****holes and anuses of EVE actually places with much more traffic.

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Originally by: Torothin

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First off,

This is a great game. I have been "eveing" it up for 7 years now. I have met a lot of very cool people and have had a lot of fun. My funnest times seem to be back in the 03/04/05/06 era when your alliance ticker was in your Bio does anyone remember those good old days? I watched in amazement when there were 10k people online at once. I thought to myself how much bigger could this game get? Now I find myself logging on once a month if that.

I really don't have time to contribute to any major alliance ops mainly because I am not willing to sit infront of my computer for a 3-5 hour CTA. Solo pvp is pretty much dead and you are gaurunteed to run into a 12 man roaming gang(at the least) in any 0.0 incursion. Everyone has a titan now and my caps run the risk of getting 1 volleyed. ABC ore is everywhere, I sometimes find myself in a system with 1200 people in it and it takes me 10 minutes to activate a module. Thank you CCP for this great game but like many others have stated I have lost interest. Good luck to everyone and fly safe!

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Originally by: deadmaus

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Edited by: deadmaus on 13/10/2010 16:48:31
To the OP: "funnest"???....arrg my eyes, not much ****es me off, but that.

Originally by: Miagi Sans

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I would love EVE null sec to be littered with thousands of small alliances duking it out...rather than a handful of larger alliances dictating

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And then those small alliances will band together and...you know the rest.

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Originally by: Darknesss

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Personally I think there are far too many valuable resources in the game. At the moment there is so much money floating around the largest most expensive ships are throw away toys to most alliances - the only real damage losing a titan does is possibly to morale, but thats where the pain ends, and even morale isn't that damaged by a titan loss anymore.

People used to have an incentive to fight because there simply weren't enough resources for everyone to make really good money. Thats all changed now, massive coalitions can split up the resources between dozens of alliances and still make massive profits from moons which require little to no effort to run.

There was a time alliances would go bankrupt in wars, and ops and effort had to be put into replacing ships (remember those mass alliance mining ops stripping belts not because you enjoyed mining but because they were the only way to afford battleships). It used to be crokite belts were the resource to have, difference is there were alot less crokite belts than there are valuable moons now, and big wars were fought over the systems with crokite in, also mining crokite actually required some large scale effort. Moons dont.

With all of this easy isk people are quite content and comfortable to go along with the coalition status quo. Put yourself in any one of the coalition alliances position... would you reset them and stir things up a bit? Reality is even if the majority of the player base wanted to reset eachother and have a big old slug fest they wouldn't because all of them assume (rightly so) that the others would simply gang up on them, kick them out and either give the resources to someone new or take the resources themselves.

Alliances should be put under pressure to exist, it shouldn't be so damned easy. It should cost money and money should be tight. There should be far fewer valuable resources and making money should be something that requires group effort. You may think these changes cant be made now, and you wouldn't see the effects for a long time because of the isk thats already in the market, but eventually alliances wallets would start getting drained, would start to look low and the pressure would be on to replenish the wallet. Naturally when you take away comfort and money fights happen, and anyone from the days when isk was tight will remember it was damned fun, PvP got the adrenaline going not just because it was fun but because it was not easy thing replacing a ship.

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Originally by: CCP Shadow

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What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."

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Originally by: Lord Takani

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Originally by: Darknesss

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Personally I think there are far too many valuable resources in the game. At the moment there is so much money floating around the largest most expensive ships are throw away toys to most alliances - the only real damage losing a titan does is possibly to morale, but thats where the pain ends, and even morale isn't that damaged by a titan loss anymore.

People used to have an incentive to fight because there simply weren't enough resources for everyone to make really good money. Thats all changed now, massive coalitions can split up the resources between dozens of alliances and still make massive profits from moons which require little to no effort to run.

There was a time alliances would go bankrupt in wars, and ops and effort had to be put into replacing ships (remember those mass alliance mining ops stripping belts not because you enjoyed mining but because they were the only way to afford battleships). It used to be crokite belts were the resource to have, difference is there were alot less crokite belts than there are valuable moons now, and big wars were fought over the systems with crokite in, also mining crokite actually required some large scale effort. Moons dont.

With all of this easy isk people are quite content and comfortable to go along with the coalition status quo. Put yourself in any one of the coalition alliances position... would you reset them and stir things up a bit? Reality is even if the majority of the player base wanted to reset eachother and have a big old slug fest they wouldn't because all of them assume (rightly so) that the others would simply gang up on them, kick them out and either give the resources to someone new or take the resources themselves.

Alliances should be put under pressure to exist, it shouldn't be so damned easy. It should cost money and money should be tight. There should be far fewer valuable resources and making money should be something that requires group effort. You may think these changes cant be made now, and you wouldn't see the effects for a long time because of the isk thats already in the market, but eventually alliances wallets would start getting drained, would start to look low and the pressure would be on to replenish the wallet. Naturally when you take away comfort and money fights happen, and anyone from the days when isk was tight will remember it was damned fun, PvP got the adrenaline going not just because it was fun but because it was not easy thing replacing a ship.

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Amen! In the old days eve was more fun, and much more exciting.

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Originally by: Rn Bonnet

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The reality is that most of the people who complain about blobs are to terrible to fight outnumbered. Many, many alliances regularly engage outnumbered 2 to 1 or even more and win.

Stop *****ing and stop sucking.

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Originally by: Dark Motoko

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So at this stage, I'm unsure what CCP actually could do.

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Originally by: Ralara

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1 million isk per month, per member of a corp, for positive standings. If it's an alliance, it's members in the alliance.

You want to have 15,000 blue pilots? Sure thing. 15,000,000,000 isk a month. Doesn't sound like a huge amount but each of those mega blocks will be paying that each - we're talking couple hundred billion a month just to maintain blue standings.

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I can tell you it won't happen any time SoonÖ. The reason that stations are created during down time is that we we need to do a bunch of SQL magic to make them happen. And the reason that they can't be destroyed is that it would strand all characters that had logged out in the station. They would log back in and the location they are in doesn't exist. So the Server would refuse to load that character, basic sanity check.

We have plans for this, but they are not on the schedule ATM. So for the foreseeable future stations can't be destroyed.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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You know it's pretty easy to look at the tickers on the overview without having the need for blue standings at all.

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Originally by: Ralara

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Edited by: Ralara on 15/10/2010 14:37:30
Edited by: Ralara on 15/10/2010 14:36:10

Originally by: Dark Motoko

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So at this stage, I'm unsure what CCP actually could do.

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New fee:

1 million isk per month, per member of a corp, for positive standings. If it's an alliance, it's members in the alliance.

You want to have 15,000 blue pilots? Sure thing. 15,000,000,000 isk a month. Doesn't sound like a huge amount but each of those mega blocks will be paying that each - we're talking couple hundred billion a month just to maintain blue standings.

Splitting up in to smaller entities wont help (same number of pilots).

The small renting corps ... ok, that's a big bill. So they can't pay it.

No renters = the big alliances start having to pay sov bills for all that space they (don't) own.

Cascade effect is you simply can't hold 15 regions of space, be concentrated in 5 stations and charge people 100m month a system or whatever it is, because THEY can't afford it and YOU can't afford it.

v0v


tldr / that doesn't make sense;

Think of it like a somewhat inverted form of the war dec system - they more you have, the more it costs.

stupid role play rationale? Err, I dunno, the wages for the diplomats or something.

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Originally by: Darknesss

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Alliances should be put under pressure to exist, it shouldn't be so damned easy.

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Originally by: Darknesss

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With all of this easy isk...

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Originally by: Romulus Activus

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Ideas

-Make player stations destructable.
-Reduce the amount of ore in all astroid fields by 40% and make them respawn slower.
-Make moon resources run out and move around the universe.
-Allow the constuction of Caps in high sec. Have them follow the rules that current high sec cap pilots have to follow with the exception that they can jump out to low and null, but not back. Super caps/moms still restricted to sov space. Caps that aggress get killed by epic concord titan.
-Raise sov costs. Have them scale signifigantly based on the number of systems already ownd.
-Increase the costs of building all caps and cap related modules.
-Make ice fields actually depleet and increase the number of them.
-reduce drone loot
-give sleeper ai to all rats
-make whs depleat faster and force people to move around.

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Originally by: NSA Bivas

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All of u mofos who r playing for less then 3 years need to STFU u'r all ROBOTS!!!
Homosexual ROBOTS

u have no idea how the game was what it means to have fun in EVE

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Originally by: Torothin

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First off,

This is a great game. I have been "eveing" it up for 7 years now. I have met a lot of very cool people and have had a lot of fun. My funnest times seem to be back in the 03/04/05/06 era when your alliance ticker was in your Bio does anyone remember those good old days? I watched in amazement when there were 10k people online at once. I thought to myself how much bigger could this game get? Now I find myself logging on once a month if that. I really don't have time to contribute to any major alliance ops mainly because I am not willing to sit infront of my computer for a 3-5 hour CTA. Solo pvp is pretty much dead and you are gaurunteed to run into a 12 man roaming gang(at the least) in any 0.0 incursion. Everyone has a titan now and my caps run the risk of getting 1 volleyed. ABC ore is everywhere, I sometimes find myself in a system with 1200 people in it and it takes me 10 minutes to activate a module. Thank you CCP for this great game but like many others have stated I have lost interest. Good luck to everyone and fly safe!

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Originally by: NSA Bivas

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All of u mofos who r playing for less then 3 years need to STFU u'r all ROBOTS!!!
Homosexual ROBOTS

u have no idea how the game was what it means to have fun in EVE

CCP stop recruiting WOW dev's

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Originally by: Torothin

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First off,

This is a great game. I have been "eveing" it up for 7 years now. I have met a lot of very cool people and have had a lot of fun. My funnest times seem to be back in the 03/04/05/06 era when your alliance ticker was in your Bio does anyone remember those good old days? I watched in amazement when there were 10k people online at once. I thought to myself how much bigger could this game get? Now I find myself logging on once a month if that. I really don't have time to contribute to any major alliance ops mainly because I am not willing to sit infront of my computer for a 3-5 hour CTA. Solo pvp is pretty much dead and you are gaurunteed to run into a 12 man roaming gang(at the least) in any 0.0 incursion. Everyone has a titan now and my caps run the risk of getting 1 volleyed. ABC ore is everywhere, I sometimes find myself in a system with 1200 people in it and it takes me 10 minutes to activate a module. Thank you CCP for this great game but like many others have stated I have lost interest. Good luck to everyone and fly safe!

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Originally by: Darknesss

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Naturally when you take away comfort and money fights happen, and anyone from the days when isk was tight will remember it was damned fun, PvP got the adrenaline going not just because it was fun but because it was not easy thing replacing a ship.

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Originally by: Vuk Lau

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Just as a quick comment. Its only a myth that 0.0 alliances are rich. Some of the yeah, esp the old ones (or the new ones but with old corps) but you would be amazed to realize how many 0.0 alliances even big ones have issues with funding their operations. Even if you think that isk is not an issue for 0.0 conflicts it actually is.

Looking from our bittervet POW loosing several battleships/hacs/caps in a row is maybe not an issue but for a lot of John Doe 0.0 pilots it is. From the other side I agree that there are huge amounts of isk in the game, and CCP is aware of that, but source for that isk is not 0.0, IMHO the broken link in the chain is empire which generates abnormal amount of isk for...lets say minimal isk.
W
Now the balancing problem is that the easiest way should be to lower highsec isk mission income, but that will never happen cause we would have pubbie riots.
From the other hand increasing the costs of living in 0.0 would make even harder for smaller and poorer entities to venture into it.

The biggest problem is that believe it or not the vast of 0.0 is completely unpopulated or unused. There is no easy way to solve that, esp. with current mechanics and i dont see that changed anytime soon. What I proposed and I am sure it would bring more people into 0.0 and would spice things a bit is implementing more 0.0 entry points but from lowsec or even highsec deep into 0.0 which would make some current ****holes and anuses of EVE actually places with much more traffic.

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Originally by: SavageBastard

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Originally by: Darknesss

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Alliances should be put under pressure to exist, it shouldn't be so damned easy.

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Funny. Your alliance has been destroyed so many times people can't even keep track. Ask Tri Mk 1-5 how easy it was to exist.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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You know it's pretty easy to look at the tickers on the overview without having the need for blue standings at all.

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Originally by: Vuk Lau

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Just as a quick comment. Its only a myth that 0.0 alliances are rich. Some of the yeah, esp the old ones (or the new ones but with old corps) but you would be amazed to realize how many 0.0 alliances even big ones have issues with funding their operations. Even if you think that isk is not an issue for 0.0 conflicts it actually is.

Looking from our bittervet POW loosing several battleships/hacs/caps in a row is maybe not an issue but for a lot of John Doe 0.0 pilots it is. From the other side I agree that there are huge amounts of isk in the game, and CCP is aware of that, but source for that isk is not 0.0, IMHO the broken link in the chain is empire which generates abnormal amount of isk for...lets say minimal isk.
W
Now the balancing problem is that the easiest way should be to lower highsec isk mission income, but that will never happen cause we would have pubbie riots.
From the other hand increasing the costs of living in 0.0 would make even harder for smaller and poorer entities to venture into it.

The biggest problem is that believe it or not the vast of 0.0 is completely unpopulated or unused. There is no easy way to solve that, esp. with current mechanics and i dont see that changed anytime soon. What I proposed and I am sure it would bring more people into 0.0 and would spice things a bit is implementing more 0.0 entry points but from lowsec or even highsec deep into 0.0 which would make some current ****holes and anuses of EVE actually places with much more traffic.

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Originally by: Spurty

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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You know it's pretty easy to look at the tickers on the overview without having the need for blue standings at all.

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Someone has never had 500+ reds on his overview. Good luck with that chuck.

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Originally by: El Muchacha

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Edited by: El Muchacha on 22/10/2010 17:28:02
Just by reading 4 pages of totally legit responses. It may not be that bad of an idea for CCP to reach out to the OP or some other vet in the hopes that maybe it could improve the game. Has CSM really come up with that great of ideas? I mean really have they? Look where the game is right now. It's all a joke. Everyone on here knows that what is being complained about is totally legit and great points plus the OP has the employment history/kb stats to maybe actually know what in the hell is going on and could provide insight. Get 5 guys like him together to just sit down and come up with a game plan and good things would happen. There are hundreds of GOOD players right now that feel like they have been there and done that and then lose interest much like the OP and end up leaving.

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Originally by: Minigin

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Edited by: Minigin on 22/10/2010 21:51:01

Originally by: Vuk Lau

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Just as a quick comment. Its only a myth that 0.0 alliances are rich. Some of the yeah, esp the old ones (or the new ones but with old corps) but you would be amazed to realize how many 0.0 alliances even big ones have issues with funding their operations. Even if you think that isk is not an issue for 0.0 conflicts it actually is.

Looking from our bittervet POW loosing several battleships/hacs/caps in a row is maybe not an issue but for a lot of John Doe 0.0 pilots it is. From the other side I agree that there are huge amounts of isk in the game, and CCP is aware of that, but source for that isk is not 0.0, IMHO the broken link in the chain is empire which generates abnormal amount of isk for...lets say minimal isk.
W
Now the balancing problem is that the easiest way should be to lower highsec isk mission income, but that will never happen cause we would have pubbie riots.
From the other hand increasing the costs of living in 0.0 would make even harder for smaller and poorer entities to venture into it.

The biggest problem is that believe it or not the vast of 0.0 is completely unpopulated or unused. There is no easy way to solve that, esp. with current mechanics and i dont see that changed anytime soon. What I proposed and I am sure it would bring more people into 0.0 and would spice things a bit is implementing more 0.0 entry points but from lowsec or even highsec deep into 0.0 which would make some current ****holes and anuses of EVE actually places with much more traffic.

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you know the funny part... you could be the knight in shining armour, come down to save this game and fight the hordes of blobbers...

ha who am i kidding. you are just as selfish as the rest of your coalition, perhaps moreso.

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Originally by: Vuk Lau

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Originally by: Minigin

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Edited by: Minigin on 22/10/2010 21:51:01

Originally by: Vuk Lau

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Just as a quick comment. Its only a myth that 0.0 alliances are rich. Some of the yeah, esp the old ones (or the new ones but with old corps) but you would be amazed to realize how many 0.0 alliances even big ones have issues with funding their operations. Even if you think that isk is not an issue for 0.0 conflicts it actually is.

Looking from our bittervet POW loosing several battleships/hacs/caps in a row is maybe not an issue but for a lot of John Doe 0.0 pilots it is. From the other side I agree that there are huge amounts of isk in the game, and CCP is aware of that, but source for that isk is not 0.0, IMHO the broken link in the chain is empire which generates abnormal amount of isk for...lets say minimal isk.
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Now the balancing problem is that the easiest way should be to lower highsec isk mission income, but that will never happen cause we would have pubbie riots.
From the other hand increasing the costs of living in 0.0 would make even harder for smaller and poorer entities to venture into it.

The biggest problem is that believe it or not the vast of 0.0 is completely unpopulated or unused. There is no easy way to solve that, esp. with current mechanics and i dont see that changed anytime soon. What I proposed and I am sure it would bring more people into 0.0 and would spice things a bit is implementing more 0.0 entry points but from lowsec or even highsec deep into 0.0 which would make some current ****holes and anuses of EVE actually places with much more traffic.

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you know the funny part... you could be the knight in shining armour, come down to save this game and fight the hordes of blobbers...

ha who am i kidding. you are just as selfish as the rest of your coalition, perhaps moreso.

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Nevertheless I know you still love me, and one day when you see the fruit of my hard work you will love me even more.

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