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Lu Hsun
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lu Hsun on 12/10/2010 19:40:51
Quote: This latest boxed edition[Commisioned Officer Edition] will include an exclusive in-game item, the Cerebral Accelerator, which is a military-grade implant that significantly increases a new pilots skill development.
Source: Repeated on on MMORPG.com Worthplaying MOGD
Sure, it's only more skillpoints for the first 30 days. But this is a step in the wrong direction.
The Interbus Shuttle can be written off as a pointless peice of promotional garbage. But a significant boost to training time is going to far.
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Dan Grobag
Caldari French Empire Squad
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:38:00 -
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Hmm, what game will I play next ?
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:42:00 -
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Actually, this is a decent alternative to removing learning skills. I don't like the fact that it's for boxed edition only, though.
Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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How2FoldSoup
Vertex Tactical Solutions
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:44:00 -
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So anyone know of any good games out right now?
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CommanderCK
Caldari New Eden Mining and Industry Cerberus.
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:44:00 -
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This is a load of crap.
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ForumWarrior
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:46:00 -
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It's a set of +3 implants that auto-destroy after 35 days, with a 20%damage/RoF bonus.
I dislike it too, but not for the "OMG CASHSHOP" reasons people like to kneejerk here.
I mainly think it's a bad idea because, at 36 days, a genu-newb is suddenly going to be training less than half the speed he was, with significantly reduced firepower.
Which, in my world, spells sudden frustration with the game as it really is.
--- ôThere is a powerful tension in our relationship to technology. We are excited by egalitarianism and anonymity, but we constantly fight for our identity.ö |
destinationunreachable
Hello Kitty Fanclub
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:48:00 -
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nothing to see here, move along.
same as we already have, (double speed for the first 1.6m skillpoints...)
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:48:00 -
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so apparently new customers now a days get a better treatment then I did when I joined EVE? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:48:00 -
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Considering the way EVE works i bet that if it's an extra 5% implant plug or something like that on overall exp increase 3 things may happen.
1: after the first initial step a +4 or +5 implant should actually help to train faster so the implant it's not so big advantage.
2: Eve opportunism greedy and powergamers buying copies of the box edition just to get the small advantage or sell for inflated prices.
3: the implant it's is actually a +1 or +2 to all stats single implant designed to HELP starting characters with a boost implant in all areas with a single one.
You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here. |
Zaboth Garadath
Amarr No Limit Productions
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:48:00 -
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/me waits for the massive outburst of hate towards CCP
*popcorn*
Although I have to admit this was the wrong time for CCP to announce this... when alot of people are are already very, VERY irritated with the possibility of Micro transactions... Did someone kick CCP in the head? _____________________________________________
'If you really want to make someone hate you, explain to them, logically and politely, why they are wrong' - J. Baylock |
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Settledown Yankabitch
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:50:00 -
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omg newbies gunna be in a battlecruiser before i can fly my titan NO FAIR
what gaem shud plaey neckst?
amidoinitright?
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sadayiel Considering the way EVE works i bet that if it's an extra 5% implant plug or something like that on overall exp increase 3 things may happen.
1: after the first initial step a +4 or +5 implant should actually help to train faster so the implant it's not so big advantage.
2: Eve opportunism greedy and powergamers buying copies of the box edition just to get the small advantage or sell for inflated prices.
3: the implant it's is actually a +1 or +2 to all stats single implant designed to HELP starting characters with a boost implant in all areas with a single one.
Why not give it to all starting players? As i understand only boxed edition gives it out.
I guess that how its got to be when CCP uses a publisher, getting pushed to do things.
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ForumWarrior
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sadayiel Considering the way EVE works i bet that if it's an extra 5% implant plug or something like that on overall exp increase 3 things may happen.
Slot 4 implant.
Bonuses: +3 to all attributes; +20% Damage to Laser, Projectile and Hybrid weaponry; +20% Rate of Fire to Missile weaponry
And the important part for everyone freaking the hell out:
Maximum Pilot Age: 35 days
--- ôThere is a powerful tension in our relationship to technology. We are excited by egalitarianism and anonymity, but we constantly fight for our identity.ö |
Zagdul
Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:54:00 -
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Sweet, I wanna get the box set now.
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Ma'kal
The Imperial Commonwealth Damage Control II
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:58:00 -
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The way that CCP has been doing things has been making me feel very uneasy. It feels like they are trying to squeeze out more money from Eve for the development of their other projects.
This I wouldn't mind so much if I felt they were still really behind Eve. The reason I don't feel this the big push for "excellence" has rang a bit shallow with IP that feels 1/2 finished and this last patch that made things very messy for awhile.
I am not touting that Eve is dieing just CCP seems very distracted of late.
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Zindela
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zaboth Garadath
Although I have to admit this was the wrong time for CCP to announce this... when alot of people are are already very, VERY irritated with the possibility of Micro transactions... Did someone kick CCP in the head?
I distinctly remember that this implant was on SiSi 2-3 months ago, hardly new news.
The people who think that this is CCP giving free skillpoints to new players for RL cash need to take a chill pill, and look at this rationally. Do you remember how hard it was for you to get into the game? When the learning curve looks approximately like this, it's hard for new players to get into, and stay in the game. With a small boost to attributes, and a boost to damage, more new players will stay in the game past the initial trial period/1st month. They will be able to experience more of the game overall. What's more, is that more players, means more targets for everyone -------------------
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.10.12 19:59:00 -
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I don't see a problem with new players having a way to get some basic skills trained faster than normal. Anyone who had a problem with that propably rage quitted around Apocrypha anyway. The only possible problem I have with this is that the learning skill issue will be left as is for another 6 months at minimum, but that horse is beaten to glue at this point so meh.
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Elridon
Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:02:00 -
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More whiny noobs who will play longer that I can "teach" what eve is like. Okay. Pretty borderline from CCP though. Delicious premium items that can only be acquired through spending rl money.
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Zagdul
Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: ForumWarrior
Originally by: Sadayiel Considering the way EVE works i bet that if it's an extra 5% implant plug or something like that on overall exp increase 3 things may happen.
Slot 4 implant.
Bonuses: +3 to all attributes; +20% Damage to Laser, Projectile and Hybrid weaponry; +20% Rate of Fire to Missile weaponry
And the important part for everyone freaking the hell out:
Maximum Pilot Age: 35 days
Nerdrage...
I wanted the implant to play in a Tengu.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:06:00 -
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...whatever.
Syn Callibri Commander - Fleet Ops [21EL] Keeper of the Blood Pact
"Fortis quod Fidelis ut Terminus" |
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dankness420
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:12:00 -
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I think this is a great thing for new players. It gives them a chance to catch up and not be stuck with crappy skills for a month and then get bored and quit the game!
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:14:00 -
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My favorite part is how this was already mentioned a long time ago, but in light of recent hysteria is big news now.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Hesperius
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: ForumWarrior Slot 4 implant.
Bonuses: +3 to all attributes; +20% Damage to Laser, Projectile and Hybrid weaponry; +20% Rate of Fire to Missile weaponry
And the important part for everyone freaking the hell out:
Maximum Pilot Age: 35 days
This is more for the vets than the noobs, they want us to be acclimated to new players being more than just sniper hac alpha strike 'boom hull shot' lolmails, so when they introduce SP to the microtransaction store we aren't like "this guy is only 3 days old LOL... wtf is going on here im getting ****d" and unsubscribe.
May as well be called the Poteque KY-2011 Implant, but it should really go in #2.
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Bitterblonde
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:18:00 -
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The game needs acceleration of skills for newer players. My own experience, along with a few people I've attempted to bring to the game, was met with initial enthusiasm to the visuals, stats (this is primarily a stats game unless you're involved with the political drama), and openness. Once one hits the 6 hours-days long queues, the feeling to just log off for a period leads to low momentum and ultimately not logging in at all.
One way to hook new players is to give a greater sense of incremental leveling as to try out different setups, modules, and ships. This was not as necessary years ago, but with the vast majority of the playerbase having many millions of SP/billions of credits)/years of gameplay experience to compare against, what can a small boost hurt? In a few more years when everyone has maxed SP and a trillion ISK (almost seems this way now to my 7.5M SP character), no new player will feel they can fit in nor be competitive.
Many of the years-old vets here do not recall the lowbie reality. Those who triumph "I do fine in my T1 rifter - you can too" is rubbish. You have to be extremely selective and know intimately how gameplay functions to have any success at all in that regard.
If vets in the game want new blood, they have to reconcile that in an old game like EvE the initial learning/play curve must be made easier to digest. Any game company wanting new subscriptions knows this, as would any of the naysayers here if they actually had a financial stake in the game's future.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: dankness420 I think this is a great thing for new players. It gives them a chance to catch up and not be stuck with crappy skills for a month and then get bored and quit the game!
LOL
+15 to your total attributes, nice implant! It will definitely break the standing record on most SP in one year.
Well I have the funny feeling that CCP has the idea that the newb experience and slow skilltraining are not the things people want to play EVE for. So yet another little compromise, good.
What¦s next? It's careful baby steps now but who knows what's to follow once they gain a little more confidence!
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:24:00 -
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When will we see the first n00brage thread from someone who just got podded and lost their Cerebral Accelerator implant?
Bonus points if you pod the n00b with a Cerberus.
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Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula My favorite part is how this was already mentioned a long time ago, but in light of recent hysteria is big news now.
This. "Rabble rabble rabble!" mentality seems the big thing right now :P. Its a great thing for newer players. But I do agree it should be standard for buying any account. Not just collectors edition.
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ForumWarrior
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Palovana When will we see the first n00brage thread from someone who just got podded and lost their Cerebral Accelerator implant?
Bonus points if you pod the n00b with a Cerberus.
Better will be the vetrage threads of people who buy these off newbs then realize they can't use them.
--- ôThere is a powerful tension in our relationship to technology. We are excited by egalitarianism and anonymity, but we constantly fight for our identity.ö |
V3xy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:33:00 -
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Its hardly that overpowered as all peeps are saying....
Its just a +3 to all implant and a dps increase for the n00bs to help them do missions they should not be doing.
The +20% Rate of Fire seems to be for "Missile weaponry" only and the 20% damage for Laser, Projectile and Hybrid weaponry
Not really that great, also you seem to only get 1 of these boosters per account...
Chill out guys.......
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:41:00 -
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You just had to go ruin a perfectly good irrational panic thread, didn't you?
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:45:00 -
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The average intelligence of the EVE user is startlingly low to begin with. I mean seriously, guys, this was new news 3 months ago, and we talked and dealt with it then. Of course, GD was filled with either "destroyed PLEX whines" or "OMFG LAG MONSTER" whines.
Morons. Lrn to P4y Att3nti0n.
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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V3xy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula You just had to go ruin a perfectly good irrational panic thread, didn't you?
Don't worry there are way+over9000 threads incoming, I cannot stop them all!!!
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:47:00 -
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/slaps self in remebrance of why he avoids GD
Slade
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:49:00 -
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I don't think people have a problem with the implant as such, but the fact that it will only be available to box-buyers is a bit annoying.
So much for power of two.
Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:55:00 -
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Should be standard issue to all new accounts, tbh.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.10.12 20:58:00 -
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What is the problem here? We are just giving a skill point buff to new players. Just because they will have more skill points after one month doesnt mean anything. They will just be 1 month noobs with skill points they dont know what to do with.
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Tsao Zhung
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Posted - 2010.10.12 21:15:00 -
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Someone pays $40us for a box and gets something cool to use for their first month of play that's useless afterwards. I pay $5us and get the same stuff as any normal player?
Sounds fair to me. Most mmos offer items with collectors boxes that are available for a character's whole life.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.10.12 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Zions Child The average intelligence of the EVE user is startlingly low to begin with. I mean seriously, guys, this was new news 3 months ago, and we talked and dealt with it then. Of course, GD was filled with either "destroyed PLEX whines" or "OMFG LAG MONSTER" whines.
Morons. Lrn to P4y Att3nti0n.
Originally by: captain foivos Who would recruit someone named Barakkus?
Wait a minute...
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.10.12 21:22:00 -
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whine much?
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.12 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs so apparently new customers now a days get a better treatment then I did when I joined EVE?
you tell me.
back in the day all I had was a velator and 5k isk. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Eran Laude
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.10.12 22:05:00 -
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Given the average time that a new pilot goes before getting podded, I don't imagine that too many people will see them last the full 30 days, and these noobs in turn will either like the freeform sandbox world that their eyes have been opened to and provide CCP with monies to buy more hamsters, or ragequit after losing their RMT implants and thus not be a problem.
This is essentially just an important step towards neutralising the importance of training dull learning skills before anything else. EVE is dying, etc. -----
Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.12 22:17:00 -
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Notice how it's in BOOSTER slot 4, not in implant slot 4 ? It's not so much an implant as it is a drug with variable expiration date (35 days max or as soon as pilot age hits 35 days).
Also, considering just how much DPS a less than 35-day character can push out, the 20%-25%-ish DPS boost is not such a big deal. And giving them +3 to all attributes (considering most of them will probably stop at most at learning L4 during the first 35 days) equates to a barely a whooping absolute maximum possible 2*245k = 490k extra SP compared to other newbie pilots that DO NOT have this, if they use it from the split second they log in for the first time to the moment it expires... or the equivalent of less than a week of training at sped-up rate.
You might as well complain about people using the 21-day trials instead of the 14-day trials, it has pretty much the same end effect. No, wait, the 21-day trial users have MORE of an advantage than the ones using the box code.
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Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting _
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CarbonUnit 1027846301
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Posted - 2010.10.12 22:18:00 -
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I don't even care any more. As far as I am concerned they could start selling supercaps and skillpoints in their store. Tomorrow.
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Xurr
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Posted - 2010.10.12 22:24:00 -
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I like the idea.
I think anything to get new players in is great.
The 20% damage thing should be changed to RoF if this is going to be applied to all newbs at some point.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.12 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Xurr The 20% damage thing should be changed to RoF if this is going to be applied to all newbs at some point.
It's really not that big of a damage increase when you think about how much % you get from training gunnery skills. That 20% will be on top of the base damage any starting character can do, which will still be nowhere close to what someone properly trained can do.
It will be a nice boost for new players, though, if they can even manage to figure out tracking, transversal velocity, and optimal ranges before those 30 days are up.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Xurr
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Posted - 2010.10.12 23:24:00 -
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If all newbs get it at some point the issue is suicide ganking. With the 20% damage it would take ~3.5 days to get a capable destroyer and 7 days to be better than a old player.
I recognize that this initial offer is just for those that get the box or what ever and as such doesn't present a problem currently.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.10.12 23:29:00 -
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Subscription canceled..not because of this alone,but for the simple reason that they seem to care more about getting new players than keeping long paying loyal customers.As they introduced remaps,new players and griefer alts get two and the older players get one.The reward for playing this game for a long time decreases as the starting bonus gets larger.
Plex is another reason..why do missions or grind anything?Its become a contest of real life cash and not skills or age,which I liked about this game.Its going further with plex for remaps and it wont stop there,trust me.I cant bring myself to log in anymore anyway.
Ps.Im keeping my stuff and Ill see what becomes of eve in the years,maybe Ill come back If they choose to respect players who have been pumping money into their game for years.Offer us a good reason to come back and I just might.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2010.10.12 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Settledown Yanka***** omg newbies gunna be in a battlecruiser before i can fly my titan NO FAIR
what gaem shud plaey neckst?
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:01:00 -
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Buy Plex with RL money, legal.
Sell said plex for Isk, legal.
Buy higher SP char with aforementioned Isk, legal.
Hence, buying SP for RL money has always been possible.
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Rheige Bladewhisper
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 Subscription canceled..not because of this alone,but for the simple reason that they seem to care more about getting new players than keeping long paying loyal customers.As they introduced remaps,new players and griefer alts get two and the older players get one.The reward for playing this game for a long time decreases as the starting bonus gets larger.
Plex is another reason..why do missions or grind anything?Its become a contest of real life cash and not skills or age,which I liked about this game.Its going further with plex for remaps and it wont stop there,trust me.I cant bring myself to log in anymore anyway.
Ps.Im keeping my stuff and Ill see what becomes of eve in the years,maybe Ill come back If they choose to respect players who have been pumping money into their game for years.Offer us a good reason to come back and I just might.
Since you're busy making demands to the devs, if they don't offer you a reason to come back then can I have your stuff?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 Subscription canceled
Hooray !
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Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting _
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Abaroth Charmar
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 Subscription canceled..not because of this alone,but for the simple reason that they seem to care more about getting new players than keeping long paying loyal customers.As they introduced remaps,new players and griefer alts get two and the older players get one.The reward for playing this game for a long time decreases as the starting bonus gets larger.
Plex is another reason..why do missions or grind anything?Its become a contest of real life cash and not skills or age,which I liked about this game.Its going further with plex for remaps and it wont stop there,trust me.I cant bring myself to log in anymore anyway.
Ps.Im keeping my stuff and Ill see what becomes of eve in the years,maybe Ill come back If they choose to respect players who have been pumping money into their game for years.Offer us a good reason to come back and I just might.
CRY MOAR! MY POS NEEDZ FUEL!
/troll
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil Buy Plex with RL money, legal.
Sell said plex for Isk, legal.
Buy higher SP char with aforementioned Isk, legal.
Hence, buying SP for RL money has always been possible.
Dont know what you see as "always" but before plex and char bazzar no it wasnt legal.Ive been around a bit longer.This is just a mission alt.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Ultim8Evil Buy Plex with RL money, legal.
Sell said plex for Isk, legal.
Buy higher SP char with aforementioned Isk, legal.
Hence, buying SP for RL money has always been possible.
Dont know what you see as "always" but before plex and char bazzar no it wasnt legal.Ive been around a bit longer.This is just a mission alt.
Then do us all a damn favour and cancel your main as well you goddamn whiney little *****.
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php |
Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Ultim8Evil Buy Plex with RL money, legal.
Sell said plex for Isk, legal.
Buy higher SP char with aforementioned Isk, legal.
Hence, buying SP for RL money has always been possible.
Dont know what you see as "always" but before plex and char bazzar no it wasnt legal.Ive been around a bit longer.This is just a mission alt.
I would have thought it was pretty obvious I meant "always" in the context of ever since Plex/Char Bazzar came out, otherwise I wouldn't have referenced buying a Plex or selling a character for isk in the first place
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:33:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 13/10/2010 00:34:45
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Subscription canceled
I'll always remember you as that guy who i don't like for something i can't remember.
My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:38:00 -
[57]
meh...
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Darek Castigatus
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Ultim8Evil Buy Plex with RL money, legal.
Sell said plex for Isk, legal.
Buy higher SP char with aforementioned Isk, legal.
Hence, buying SP for RL money has always been possible.
Dont know what you see as "always" but before plex and char bazzar no it wasnt legal.Ive been around a bit longer.This is just a mission alt.
Then do us all a damn favour and cancel your main as well you goddamn whiney little *****.
Already done,now return the favor by jumping off a bridge you **** sucking prick
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Abaroth Charmar
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 13/10/2010 00:37:37
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Subscription canceled
I'll always remember you as that guy who i didn't like for something i can't remember.
The guy who knows **** all about computers?
The guy whose spacebar doesn't work properly?
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Ultim8Evil Buy Plex with RL money, legal.
Sell said plex for Isk, legal.
Buy higher SP char with aforementioned Isk, legal.
Hence, buying SP for RL money has always been possible.
Dont know what you see as "always" but before plex and char bazzar no it wasnt legal.Ive been around a bit longer.This is just a mission alt.
Why are you still here?
Oh.. just bluffing huh. "I'm going hold my breath til you do what I say! I mean it this time! I really do!!"
How old are you, if I may ask?
Cause there is this particular age group that reacts strangely when they gets all this free **** without having to pay a dime extra.. you know like, DL the game for free, free expansions, new ships, improved graphics, additional features, new skills.. but continue to ***** like they are entitled to more. Yet.. even tho they believe they deserve more than someone else.. they cry if someone gives more to get more. As if that is some how less fair than their original notion.
Your logic is.. I paid more money over time.. I deserve more reward than someone that just started.. how is that any different than microtransaction really? Give more money.. get more in return. Huh..
Cause god forbid the reward for having played longer is more Isk to do stuffs with like buy PLEX, or characters (SP), +5 implants + skills to equip them plants, and a much larger SP pool to again.. do stuff with like fly a much wider range of ships, or do science/indy with more slots for cheaper. OMG.. **** that reward! There should be more.. besides all that free **** I got in previous years of CCP expansions/patches.. that doesn't count!
Fight the illogical, hypocritcal fight man! Yay!! Play that 'I quit' card! WOOOOOOT You the man.. I'm sure others will show up and high five you for standing up to the man! That big ebil business CCP. They evil now cause they gotten bigger. Yeah.. I said it.. its so true. Alright everyone.. give the man a round of applauses.. he clearly needs.. I mean deserves it.
I'd say watch out and make sure the door doesn't hit your ass on the way out.. but CCP already sold the door to a 15 day old noob, tough **** man!
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:47:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 13/10/2010 00:37:37
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Subscription canceled
I'll always remember you as that guy who i didn't like for something i can't remember.
The guy who knows **** all about computers?
The guy whose spacebar doesn't work properly?
No its the guy that thought it would be fun too troll the forum a bit before leaving to see how many jack asses bite.And see there it got 5 pages of lolz.You jealous?
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:49:00 -
[62]
IMO, this is fine. New players need a boost to be competitive and enjoy the game.
This isn't microtransactions, SP for cash or the Plex for remap garbage. This is just helping new players out a bit once at the beginning.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:51:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Umega
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Ultim8Evil Buy Plex with RL money, legal.
Sell said plex for Isk, legal.
Buy higher SP char with aforementioned Isk, legal.
Hence, buying SP for RL money has always been possible.
Dont know what you see as "always" but before plex and char bazzar no it wasnt legal.Ive been around a bit longer.This is just a mission alt.
Why are you still here?
Oh.. just bluffing huh. "I'm going hold my breath til you do what I say! I mean it this time! I really do!!"
How old are you, if I may ask?
Cause there is this particular age group that reacts strangely when they gets all this free **** without having to pay a dime extra.. you know like, DL the game for free, free expansions, new ships, improved graphics, additional features, new skills.. but continue to ***** like they are entitled to more. Yet.. even tho they believe they deserve more than someone else.. they cry if someone gives more to get more. As if that is some how less fair than their original notion.
Your logic is.. I paid more money over time.. I deserve more reward than someone that just started.. how is that any different than microtransaction really? Give more money.. get more in return. Huh..
Cause god forbid the reward for having played longer is more Isk to do stuffs with like buy PLEX, or characters (SP), +5 implants + skills to equip them plants, and a much larger SP pool to again.. do stuff with like fly a much wider range of ships, or do science/indy with more slots for cheaper. OMG.. **** that reward! There should be more.. besides all that free **** I got in previous years of CCP expansions/patches.. that doesn't count!
Fight the illogical, hypocritcal fight man! Yay!! Play that 'I quit' card! WOOOOOOT You the man.. I'm sure others will show up and high five you for standing up to the man! That big ebil business CCP. They evil now cause they gotten bigger. Yeah.. I said it.. its so true. Alright everyone.. give the man a round of applauses.. he clearly needs.. I mean deserves it.
I'd say watch out and make sure the door doesn't hit your ass on the way out.. but CCP already sold the door to a 15 day old noob, tough **** man!
What exactly do you see free here?I pay monthly so I must be doing it wrong.And my subscription ends on the 24th..you wont hold your breath long lol.Feel free to hold me to it.
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Abaroth Charmar
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:52:00 -
[64]
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Abaroth Charmar
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 13/10/2010 00:37:37
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Subscription canceled
I'll always remember you as that guy who i didn't like for something i can't remember.
The guy who knows **** all about computers?
The guy whose spacebar doesn't work properly?
No its the guy that thought it would be fun too troll the forum a bit before leaving to see how many jack asses bite.And see there it got 5 pages of lolz.You jealous?
Failing at poasting then claiming it was all in the name of troll.
Textbook backpedalling.
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Running missions
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Posted - 2010.10.13 01:11:00 -
[65]
need i remind everyone that the first 35 days are spent wasting time getting learning skills to lvl 5/4 engineering to 5 and electronics to 5? this is a good bridge to removing learning skills
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Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.10.13 01:15:00 -
[66]
Quote: This latest boxed edition will include an exclusive in-game item, the Cerebral Accelerator, which is a military-grade implant that significantly increases a new pilotÆs skill development. While they are a very strong boost to nearly all abilities, these bonuses are temporary and are only effective for the first 30 days of a pilotÆs life as they get up to speed in the universe. The Commissioned Officer Edition also includes a CD key for starting a new account, 30 days paid game subscription time and an EVE poster with helpful hints and tips for getting started on the reverse side. This edition can be used to start a new account or to convert a free trial or buddy program trial account into a full account with the access and benefits afforded to all EVE subscribers. The Cerebral Accelerator will be delivered to the first character created on the account and cannot be acquired through any other source.
So it's just a 30 days faster learning for a new account.. nothing big tbh
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Truth'Ann Justice
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Posted - 2010.10.13 01:18:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Running missions need i remind everyone that the first 35 days are spent wasting time getting learning skills to lvl 5/4 engineering to 5 and electronics to 5? this is a good bridge to removing learning skills
OMG BUT THE NEWBS WILL LEARN FASTER
rabbble rabble rabble rabble rabble
*bitter vet stare*
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.10.13 01:40:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Artemis Rose on 13/10/2010 01:41:19 Now, if CCP makes it so ANY character could buy as many of these as they want with RL monies, please.. go ahead and start a panic.
EDIT: Just imagine how much day 36 will suck.. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
TehFailGuy
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Posted - 2010.10.13 01:42:00 -
[69]
Edited by: TehFailGuy on 13/10/2010 01:43:20 I'm surprised so many people are concerned with the +3 implant part over the damage boost. If I referred someone to EVE to play alongside me, I'd just buy them a set of +3s anyhow as they aren't expensive once you aren't a total nub. The damage boost is pretty big, though. Remember, they may well be fighting other nubs out there who don't have the boost. Then, those who do have it will be in for a rude awakening on day 36, or if podded.
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 02:01:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 13/10/2010 00:37:37
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Subscription canceled
I'll always remember you as that guy who i didn't like for something i can't remember.
I count myself lucky that I won't remember them at all.
P.S. this thread is a turd.
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Exordium8
Minmatar A Man and His Raven
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Posted - 2010.10.13 02:27:00 -
[71]
Came expecting something to rage at, left disappointed. --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.13 02:32:00 -
[72]
Originally by: HeIIfire11
What exactly do you see free here? I pay monthly so I must be doing it wrong. And my subscription ends on the 24th.. you wont hold your breath long lol. Feel free to hold me to it.
I believe I have corrected your spacing problem after punctuations. That'll be one fifth of a PLEX please.
Also, for your information, it has always been possible, since the beginning of the GTC and Character Bazaar (GTC, not PLEX) to buy SP. The GTC could always be sold for isk, and isk could always be used to purchase a Character with higher skill points. And no, I don't know when the GTC and Character Bazaar came out, I don't think it was the very beginning, but it wasn't too long afterwards.
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Whelan Jr
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Posted - 2010.10.13 02:38:00 -
[73]
What's the boxed set cost? $40 US? Something like that?
That's nearly three months at the regular subscription rate.....why shouldn't they get nearly three months of boosted skills as well?
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.13 02:39:00 -
[74]
I would like to plead with the people cancelling their accounts because of this to stay in game. Please. More idiots flying around is a good thing.
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Zindela
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.10.13 03:25:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Subscription canceled
Hooray !
QFT
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Sassums
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Posted - 2010.10.13 03:50:00 -
[76]
What if I add it to an already existing account?
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Dan Grobag
Caldari French Empire Squad
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Posted - 2010.10.13 05:34:00 -
[77]
Ah, whatever. Let's welcome our new commissioned officers.
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alittlebirdy
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Posted - 2010.10.13 05:42:00 -
[78]
Pro tip ccp, want people to join your now **** game, the players better not be calling it a **** game... aka FIX THE DAMN GAME **** this buy this get that, everything now is MONEY MONEY MOMEY
Yet we are coming up a ****ing year since you ****ED 0.0.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:03:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Zions Child
Originally by: HeIIfire11
What exactly do you see free here? I pay monthly so I must be doing it wrong. And my subscription ends on the 24th.. you wont hold your breath long lol. Feel free to hold me to it.
I believe I have corrected your spacing problem after punctuations. That'll be one fifth of a PLEX please.
Also, for your information, it has always been possible, since the beginning of the GTC and Character Bazaar (GTC, not PLEX) to buy SP. The GTC could always be sold for isk, and isk could always be used to purchase a Character with higher skill points. And no, I don't know when the GTC and Character Bazaar came out, I don't think it was the very beginning, but it wasn't too long afterwards.
What you describe is buying characters not buying SP. There has never been a way to buy SP, just a way to spend money to get a high SP character. Every single of those SPs has always been farmed using normal ingame mechanisms. You can buy SP the day you can spend monies to add SP directly to a character of your choice and bypass the normal mechanism of acquiring them. These two methods of aquiring high SP characters aren't similar from a mechanical standpoint or from the point of view of the person getting the high SP character and don't even produce the same end results, so I don't see how you can possibly mix them up.
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Tiaka McKenzie
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:05:00 -
[80]
You guys totally miss the point. I wouldn't care at all if this feature would be available for every new player. It's the fact that it's only available if you pay extra cash for it is what annoys me. And no i don't think you deserve to skill faster because you buyed a $40 or whatever boxed edition of eve. This boxed edition is no requirement to be able to play eve, it's rather a collector item.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:05:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Akita T Notice how it's in BOOSTER slot 4, not in implant slot 4 ? It's not so much an implant as it is a drug with variable expiration date (35 days max or as soon as pilot age hits 35 days).
Also, considering just how much DPS a less than 35-day character can push out, the 20%-25%-ish DPS boost is not such a big deal. And giving them +3 to all attributes (considering most of them will probably stop at most at learning L4 during the first 35 days) equates to a barely a whooping absolute maximum possible 2*245k = 490k extra SP compared to other newbie pilots that DO NOT have this, if they use it from the split second they log in for the first time to the moment it expires... or the equivalent of less than a week of training at sped-up rate.
You might as well complain about people using the 21-day trials instead of the 14-day trials, it has pretty much the same end effect. No, wait, the 21-day trial users have MORE of an advantage than the ones using the box code.
*sigh*
Will you STOP making reasonable posts???
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Atedar Kerane
Silentium Mortalitas
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:17:00 -
[82]
I don't mind. Let the new players pay a few bucks and get an early boost.
More new players to kill is a good thing.
I am sure it's only a 1-2mil skillpoints they get out of it...
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:19:00 -
[83]
At first I raged. Then I saw that it's just a set of special +3s for noobs.
That's fine, new players shouldn't be stuck to the same rules as established players anyway. Think of it as a "tutorial phase" that us old players never got.
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Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:33:00 -
[84]
/me facepalms
Why are people upset over this? Seriously? It's a unique item for a special boxed edition. Something a lot of games do. It's not even all that useful!
All this rabble over an item that allows a new character to get like 500k SP extra. Calm down. - Paknac Queltel
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Cupio Mortem
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:53:00 -
[85]
Confirmed: Eve is __________
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.13 07:24:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
What you describe is buying characters not buying SP. There has never been a way to buy SP, just a way to spend money to get a high SP character. Every single of those SPs has always been farmed using normal ingame mechanisms. You can buy SP the day you can spend monies to add SP directly to a character of your choice and bypass the normal mechanism of acquiring them. These two methods of aquiring high SP characters aren't similar from a mechanical standpoint or from the point of view of the person getting the high SP character and don't even produce the same end results, so I don't see how you can possibly mix them up.
I see your point, buying Skill Points and buying a high skill point character are indeed different things. In fact, should they ever say 10$ gets you a million skill points, I would probably be ****ed off enough to avoid playing the game in the future. That being said, this is a 35 day booster, that is essentially only slightly useful after the 1.6m skill point double speed boost (or did they get rid of that?) for a new player.
If they were to allow anyone with 5, 10, or even like 50 dollars to buy this implant and use it for thirty days, I would be fairly unhappy. But, its only available to one new player, on the first character activated using that account key. Therefore, I see it as very similar to say buying a PLEX for a new character, and using the iskies to buy a +3 set of implants and the skills required. Also, as new players, they can easily not put the implant to any sort of good use.
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.13 07:43:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Zions Child Also, as new players, they can easily not put the implant to any sort of good use.
I'm not a new player, but I am in need of an alt. I will be buying this nice box.
And I imagine that's what a lot of people in this thread are afraid of.
I do so hope the box comes with a manual. ^_^ - Paknac Queltel
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.10.13 07:51:00 -
[88]
Being Noob was very fun game for me. There were no remaps no 100% faster training. The only thing they could fix is to remove learning skills.
Now we welcome our new instant gratification crowd overlords !!
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.13 07:53:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Zions Child Also, as new players, they can easily not put the implant to any sort of good use.
I'm not a new player, but I am in need of an alt. I will be buying this nice box.
And I imagine that's what a lot of people in this thread are afraid of.
I do so hope the box comes with a manual. ^_^
Lol, I suppose that could be something. But that being said, a set of +3's isn't particularly useful. Sure, it might cut down on the amount of time required to make a long-term alt, but the total difference of adding this implant would add a bit more than 277k skill points to your character over 35 days.
So, assuming you include the learning skill difference and how it would reduce the amount of time required to train learning, it would probably add somewhere between 277 and 300k skill points. A lot for a new player, but barely anything for a character over a few months of age. I mean, seriously, thats what, one rank 5 skill to lvl 4 and some change? And its a one time boost, and to one new character only.
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Aelius
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.10.13 07:54:00 -
[90]
Well if it was a permanent implant... but "it will self-destruct in 30 days... good luck Jim"...
Personally i think its a good idea in order to increase EVE's player base... BUT only because it has a 30 days limit... otherwise i would be completely against it
Now i hope CCP won't have the temptation of starting to Plex this type of items... _________________________ CSM Candidate for 2011 (soon a pretty photoshop sig) Aelius 2011 Candidacy Guide Lines |
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Vexion Daran
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.13 07:59:00 -
[91]
What is so hard to grasp what CCP did here?
To give new people a little more chance to enjoy the game they put this option in. So what. if you have 90 mil skillponts, you feel threatend by this? Hope not.
EVE is not about skillpoints. There are still enough noobs with 90 mil sp getting killed by far less sp chars in EVE. SP only allows you to fly some more ships and use some more mods. For a new guy nowadays to join a fleet...he has to fly some good stuff. If a new guy has to wait 6 months to do this...now he can experience it a little faster. Stop crying about it.
I said it before and i'll say it again...learn to play EVE....do not mistake SP with skills. SP only lets you fly certain ships and use certain mods.
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xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:00:00 -
[92]
Originally by: HeIIfire11 No its the guy that thought it would be fun too troll the forum a bit before leaving to see how many jack asses bite.And see there it got 5 pages of lolz.You jealous?
*posts like a moron after previous examples of posting like a moron*
*people call him out for posting like a moron*
"haha guys I totally trolled you all with my comprehensive history of being a moron on the internet! aren't I clever??!!?"
*remains a moron*
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:03:00 -
[93]
Doesn't anyone think the newbies are gonna be a bit disappointed when, after 30 days, their damage drops by 20%?
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xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:08:00 -
[94]
Also I can't see how this is anything but a good thing. It's basically a free +3 set and damage mod for new players that expires after their first month. Anything that helps to a) reduce the monotony of training useful initial skills, and b) make new players more effective in combat before their skills are up to scratch. is good for everyone.
However a better option to do it may be to use the new SP allocation mechanic. When I first started the thing I hated most was the monotony of waiting around for the first level of a skill to finish in order to use a new toy. Give newbies a prize of a few thousand SP for completing certain training missions, to spend as they like.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:08:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Vexion Daran
To give new people a little more chance to enjoy the game they put this option in. So what. if you have 90 mil skillponts, you feel threatend by this? Hope not.
People didnt need a little more chance to enjoy the game before. And it didnt stoop to grow player base a lot.
Instant gratification much ?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:15:00 -
[96]
Originally by: V3xy Its hardly that overpowered as all peeps are saying....
Its just a +3 to all implant and a dps increase for the n00bs to help them do missions they should not be doing.
The +20% Rate of Fire seems to be for "Missile weaponry" only and the 20% damage for Laser, Projectile and Hybrid weaponry
Not really that great, also you seem to only get 1 of these boosters per account...
Chill out guys.......
Yes but this implant will put genuine new players on a level basis with twinked alts and THAT WILL BE THE END OF EVE AS WE KNOW IT.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:19:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Malcanis
Yes but this implant will put genuine new players on a level basis with twinked alts and THAT WILL BE THE END OF EVE AS WE KNOW IT.
Twinked? What, is EVE finally getting a Gay **** Delivery Service installed into it?
/sarcasm
Also +1
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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LMA'''''''''''''''''O
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:25:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Lu Hsun Edited by: Lu Hsun on 13/10/2010 01:24:28
Quote: This latest boxed edition[Commisioned Officer Edition] will include an exclusive in-game item, the Cerebral Accelerator, which is a military-grade implant that significantly increases a new pilots skill development.
Source: Official Press Release Repeated on on MMORPG.com Worthplaying MOGD
Sure, it's only more skillpoints for the first 30 days. But this is a step in the wrong direction.
The Interbus Shuttle can be written off as a pointless peice of promotional garbage. But a significant boost to training time is going to far.
OH MY GOD SOME GUY IS GOING TO BE DOING 20 DEE PEE ESS A SECOND TO ME IN HIS KESTREL WITH HIS +200000% DAMAGE IMPLANT AND HIS FRIGATE V WHAT THE **** GUISE
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Paknac Queltel
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:25:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Zions Child
Originally by: Paknac Queltel
Originally by: Zions Child Also, as new players, they can easily not put the implant to any sort of good use.
I'm not a new player, but I am in need of an alt. I will be buying this nice box.
And I imagine that's what a lot of people in this thread are afraid of.
I do so hope the box comes with a manual. ^_^
Lol, I suppose that could be something. But that being said, a set of +3's isn't particularly useful. Sure, it might cut down on the amount of time required to make a long-term alt, but the total difference of adding this implant would add a bit more than 277k skill points to your character over 35 days.
So, assuming you include the learning skill difference and how it would reduce the amount of time required to train learning, it would probably add somewhere between 277 and 300k skill points. A lot for a new player, but barely anything for a character over a few months of age. I mean, seriously, thats what, one rank 5 skill to lvl 4 and some change? And its a one time boost, and to one new character only.
But dude, SP fur ISK hurr! Onoez, to the whambulance!
Or at least, that's how I imagine it goes. I'm having trouble understanding it, myself... - Paknac Queltel
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:29:00 -
[100]
So now we finally know.
CONCORD trains with +3s.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:35:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Zions Child
Originally by: Malcanis
Yes but this implant will put genuine new players on a level basis with twinked alts and THAT WILL BE THE END OF EVE AS WE KNOW IT.
Twinked? What, is EVE finally getting a Gay **** Delivery Service installed into it?
/sarcasm
Also +1
Um, everyone is EVE is already gay. EVE is the gay MMO.
Oh man, wait dont tell me you're not? Didn't anyone tell you? I mean surely it was obvious?
Never mind sweetie, as long as you dont make a fuss, nobody minds.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:42:00 -
[102]
Hey, if they need money to keep Eve up...and it's concentrated to get more newbies into the game (and them playing) why not. I prefer having fresh newbies paying Eve rather than me paying ;) (or no eve at all).
I have no problems in some newbie getting +3 implants in the beginning if he pays for it and thus makes Eve better (CCP needs money). I do have problems if you can get free SP with plexes for example. Any bigger Alliance/corp could speedboost their characters to 40mil SP in no time. THAT would be a problem.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.10.13 08:59:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Lu Hsun Edited by: Lu Hsun on 13/10/2010 01:24:28
Quote: This latest boxed edition[Commisioned Officer Edition] will include an exclusive in-game item, the Cerebral Accelerator, which is a military-grade implant that significantly increases a new pilots skill development.
Source: Official Press Release Repeated on on MMORPG.com Worthplaying MOGD
Sure, it's only more skillpoints for the first 30 days. But this is a step in the wrong direction.
The Interbus Shuttle can be written off as a pointless peice of promotional garbage. But a significant boost to training time is going to far.
Uhm, while I am very much against microtransactions, this is quite a different thing, it is a temporary item to boost true newbies ( not players that already have another character ). I think this is a great idea and something that should be applauded.
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Commander Azrael
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.13 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Azrael on 13/10/2010 10:49:02
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Originally by: Lu Hsun Edited by: Lu Hsun on 13/10/2010 01:24:28
Quote: This latest boxed edition[Commisioned Officer Edition] will include an exclusive in-game item, the Cerebral Accelerator, which is a military-grade implant that significantly increases a new pilots skill development.
Source: Official Press Release Repeated on on MMORPG.com Worthplaying MOGD
Sure, it's only more skillpoints for the first 30 days. But this is a step in the wrong direction.
The Interbus Shuttle can be written off as a pointless peice of promotional garbage. But a significant boost to training time is going to far.
Uhm, while I am very much against microtransactions, this is quite a different thing, it is a temporary item to boost true newbies ( not players that already have another character ). I think this is a great idea and something that should be applauded.
Agreed, It won't affect existing player much if at all and gives nubs a boost. I think people's backs are just up atm with the whole plex for remap issue but this isn't that big of a deal.
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:05:00 -
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In capitalist Iceland, skills train you!
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Jarne
Caldari Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:08:00 -
[106]
Wait, Caldari (i.e. missiles) get 20% ROF bonus, which equals +25% dps, while the other factions get 20% damage bonus, which, well, equals +20% dps?
Way to increase Caldari numbers even more... - Success=Achievements/Expectations
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: V3xy Its hardly that overpowered as all peeps are saying....
Its just a +3 to all implant and a dps increase for the n00bs to help them do missions they should not be doing.
The +20% Rate of Fire seems to be for "Missile weaponry" only and the 20% damage for Laser, Projectile and Hybrid weaponry
Not really that great, also you seem to only get 1 of these boosters per account...
Chill out guys.......
Yes but this implant will put genuine new players on a level basis with twinked alts and THAT WILL BE THE END OF EVE AS WE KNOW IT.
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.10.13 11:23:00 -
[108]
ibtl for ranting, or complaining in general. Or maybe the painters are in. Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum.
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Cunane
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:00:00 -
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I'm in two minds about this, as for new players it's a fantastic idea and will hopefully see new blood giving the game a fair chance and enjoying it that little bit more, and yeah the damage will fall off but hopefully they will have decided the game is for them, and have some skills behind them to enjoy it.
The bad part is vets buying this, doing the advanced combat career agent, then going straight into factional warfare or just going into pvp. Hello Incursus with 20% damage bonus to blasters, and as for the Rifter, well thats just a plain scary thought, though of course if they get podded, problem solved.
So overall I'm for it and I hope it has the effect of bringing a fresh batch of players at the same time.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:02:00 -
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Even with an experienced vet pulling the strings, there is very little to fear from a <35 day old character.
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Flynn Fetladral
Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2010.10.13 12:46:00 -
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Better than the crappy shuttle they gave away in the last boxed edition.
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.10.13 13:17:00 -
[112]
Anyone that think this is a major game changing feature, doesnt have the required intellect to play eve anyway.
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Mike TheMiner
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Posted - 2010.10.13 13:30:00 -
[113]
Players have always been able to buy SP for RL cash. Buy Plex, sell plex and buy a new char with the ISK. By the OPs bizarre logic, the 35 day boosters or whatever they are dont even get near this method in terms of the amount of SP you can buy.
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Baneken
Gallente School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2010.10.13 13:45:00 -
[114]
To sum it up for the bitter vets (tm) here:
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.10.13 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Mag''s on 13/10/2010 13:57:52
I don't see anything wrong with this at all. I'm all for helping out new players.
Edit:
Originally by: Baneken To sum it up for the bitter vets (tm) here:
If you're trying to troll vets, at least use the correct Ö.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.10.13 18:59:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Baneken To sum it up for the bitter vets (tm) here:
I will use that button for microtransactions, but not for a nice newbie buff :p
http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE |
Aldor
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Posted - 2010.10.13 20:39:00 -
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I always smile when I see how worked up people get about this and the whole micro transaction thing. Here is my take:
As an industrialist in the game I hope they give all newbies the biggest helping hand they can! Hell give them 1,000x training speed for the first 6 months. Throw those newbies right into lvl 4 missions with BCs. More people for me to sell to! And they're inexperienced to boot so they'll get blown up alot more than someone like me who had to learn how to play at the pace the game was designed with. Is it fair that a new person can reach the level in 6 months that took me years to get to? Probably not. Will it ruin my gaming experience? Probably not.
No matter how many skills they have or what they can fly EVE still requires some brainpower skills to master. And no boxed set or microtransaction can buy that. So bring it! Hell stock the friggin things on walmart shelves for all I care. The more the merrier!
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Voith
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Posted - 2010.10.13 22:31:00 -
[118]
Originally by: ForumWarrior
Originally by: Sadayiel Considering the way EVE works i bet that if it's an extra 5% implant plug or something like that on overall exp increase 3 things may happen.
Slot 4 implant.
Bonuses: +3 to all attributes; +20% Damage to Laser, Projectile and Hybrid weaponry; +20% Rate of Fire to Missile weaponry
And the important part for everyone freaking the hell out:
Maximum Pilot Age: 35 days
It is totally unfair.
New pilots get a ton of Advantages, like being the first to explore new areas, having ABC rocks in Empire, not having to deal with Tracking and Sig size while ISKing up!!!
Oh wait, those where the advantages I got when I started...
Oops.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.13 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aldor I always smile when I see how worked up people get about this and the whole micro transaction thing. Here is my take:
As an industrialist in the game I hope they give all newbies the biggest helping hand they can! Hell give them 1,000x training speed for the first 6 months. Throw those newbies right into lvl 4 missions with BCs. More people for me to sell to! And they're inexperienced to boot so they'll get blown up alot more than someone like me who had to learn how to play at the pace the game was designed with. Is it fair that a new person can reach the level in 6 months that took me years to get to? Probably not. Will it ruin my gaming experience? Probably not.
No matter how many skills they have or what they can fly EVE still requires some brainpower skills to master. And no boxed set or microtransaction can buy that. So bring it! Hell stock the friggin things on walmart shelves for all I care. The more the merrier!
The problem with that is appealing to the lowest common denominator isn't always a good thing. You are talking about raw numbers short term that's good but long term it isn't, CCP's big wigs are like you, "let's get more new people in, who cares if they quit so long as they pay for a while, cause once they figure **** out they won't need to pay us". Maybe that is part of why they seem to not give a damn about making established/old/what have you players happy over getting new ones in.
Also a boost for new players is fine, kind of like putting training wheels on a bike then yanking them off whether or not the kid learned how to ride w/o them IMO, but the boost can't last forever and at least might facilitate more fun for the new players. I could probably think of more/better ways to do that but there is a fine line to helping show EVE off and giving away the store then dumping them out in the street in that alley where the cat's eat their young.
25% boost to caldari, of course because as a new player they are all going to realize that a 25% rof bonus is superior to a 20% damage bonus when they are looking at the character creation system.
--Submit your bug reports via mental telepathy this will streamline CCP ignoring them.-- |
Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.10.13 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jarne Wait, Caldari (i.e. missiles) get 20% ROF bonus, which equals +25% dps, while the other factions get 20% damage bonus, which, well, equals +20% dps?
Way to increase Caldari numbers even more...
don't worry...they'll x-train st aome point. It usually starts when the pvp bug hits and they get tired of seeing targets die before the missiles hit them. then they get tired finding targets that will not be primaries anytime soon (cause if you follow FC primary calls you won't kill a damn thing). then the straw that breaks the camels back is the caps suck (at least ccp could have given a damn hybrid based dread...its not like when bashing a station the thing is going to speed tank to throw off tracking lol).
Race just a picture and a bio in this game...unless a roleplayer, don't mean anything. If a roleplayer...to each there own (but seek some help lol).
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Frash
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Posted - 2010.10.14 01:37:00 -
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I know its stated all the time, but why don't they just get rid of learning skills and change the amount of sp needed for all skills while training. That would save over 30 days worth of training time.
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Zinizter
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Posted - 2010.10.14 02:06:00 -
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What if a vet player gives implants to a new player (irl friend for example)?
Also a boost but you would never know about it...
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Lady Parity
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Posted - 2010.10.14 02:33:00 -
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I am a tough ***** to please BUT I gotta say i actually like the idea of noobs getting a buff, anyone thats played for a long time shouldnt feel threatened this implant is like training wheels
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.14 11:27:00 -
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Eve isn't supposed to be a quick game but I can see the business requirement for "MOOOOOAAARRRRR PLAYERS!!!"
Doesn't mean I agree with the methods of getting them. --
Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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Jhoria Englside
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Posted - 2010.10.14 11:57:00 -
[125]
hurf blurf Edit: or not
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necronarcosis
Eggz Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.10.14 12:13:00 -
[126]
way to give your loyal subscribers the finger......... eh? |
Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.10.14 12:27:00 -
[127]
Can I buy this for existing characters? :O if so where! ------
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.10.14 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Guilliman R Can I buy this for existing characters? :O if so where!
No, it's a special item you get from buying the next box set, and it only works on characters less than 35 days old.
I guess you might be able to buy one from a new player as a curio, but it's not impossible that the item is automatically implanted when the character is created.
You could use it to make a pretty nasty suicide gank noob alt tho :p
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Janya Rykayn
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Posted - 2010.10.15 12:10:00 -
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Quote: Subscription canceled..not because of this alone,but for the simple reason that they seem to care more about getting new players than keeping long paying loyal customers.As they introduced remaps,new players and griefer alts get two and the older players get one.The reward for playing this game for a long time decreases as the starting bonus gets larger.
Plex is another reason..why do missions or grind anything?Its become a contest of real life cash and not skills or age,which I liked about this game.Its going further with plex for remaps and it wont stop there,trust me.I cant bring myself to log in anymore anyway.
You know, I find this new development viscerally disturbing somehow, even though when you think about it, it's not going to affect gameplay much for any vet, except possibly for the suicide gankers-- but really, what suicide ganker is going to pay $40 bucks for a boxed set just so he can suicide gank?
I do agree with the general feeling of the people who are complaining about this. They're afraid this sort of thing will form a pattern which will eventuall break Eve.
But they need to wake up and smell the coffee because in many ways Eve broke years ago. Partly it was the RMT people who did it. Partly emergent effects of evolving gameplay did it, blob warfare and the resulting death of solo and small-unit PVP being primary examples.
At this point Eve has pretty much reached end-of-life for me. CCP have dealt with most of the above problems so far in ways that approach genius, but I think profit motivation, a changing userbase and the things they are going to have to do to make the game fun for new players are going to make Eve more and more unpalatable to the veterans.
We'll see what's in store with Incarna and whatnot but I'm less and less enthused about logging into a game with bought characters, bought isk, bought capships and bought skillpoints. It started feeling like work a while back.
Spin brigade commence.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.10.15 13:13:00 -
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I¦ll bet Helicity and friends have a box ready when rolling new toon for their f***fest next year. Nice to face a catalyst with + 20% damage when sitting in a Hulk.
Well played, CCP.
Further i bet this is only the first step. And i don¦t even want to think where it leads to....
/me outta here googeling "online spaceship games".
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.15 15:10:00 -
[131]
Originally by: My Postman I¦ll bet Helicity and friends have a box ready when rolling new toon for their f***fest next year. Nice to face a catalyst with + 20% damage when sitting in a Hulk.
with below average support skills in both fitting, damage, and HP. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.10.15 16:36:00 -
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I dont have a problem with CCP giving new players a leg up really; the faster they can train into a "real ship" the faster they're available as good allies / good fights / etc.
The fact that you have to basically pay extra for it via the boxed edition kind of bugs me though; honestly I'd rather they just give it to the first character on any new account :p ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Crimson Violet
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Posted - 2010.10.15 17:19:00 -
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Stop ****ing around the issue and erase learning skills already.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.15 20:22:00 -
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Well, its not the item that causes me headaches, with the revamp for plex you can "buy" Skillpoints, always have the perfect attributes to fit your needs.
Now they implemented the plex thing in your char sheet on sisi, theres a button which sends you to some ccp plex side and theres a **** quote like "You license is fine but buy a plex, you can never have enough"
whats next?
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dethleffs
Silverwing Explorers
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Posted - 2010.10.15 20:52:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Jhoria Englside hurf blurf Edit: or not
hurf bluf. no edits needed.
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.15 20:58:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Running missions need i remind everyone that the first 35 days are spent wasting time getting learning skills to lvl 5/4 engineering to 5 and electronics to 5? this is a good bridge to removing learning skills
First 77 days/3 months usually for me. I train learning to 5/5 since it takes 80 odd days anyway later on, even when you have em all to 5/4 already.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.10.15 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Corozan Aspinall
Originally by: Running missions need i remind everyone that the first 35 days are spent wasting time getting learning skills to lvl 5/4 engineering to 5 and electronics to 5? this is a good bridge to removing learning skills
First 77 days/3 months usually for me. I train learning to 5/5 since it takes 80 odd days anyway later on, even when you have em all to 5/4 already.
IT IS A SIMPLE TRADE OFF.
If you cant figure it our you fail at advanced thinking.
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Nyssa Mnemonic
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Posted - 2010.10.18 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Crimson Violet Stop ****ing around the issue and erase learning skills already.
QFT, Justice, and the Eden way + 1 Trillion isk + 99.99 Interwebs. |
Xorv
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Posted - 2010.10.19 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Crimson Violet Stop ****ing around the issue and erase learning skills already.
Yup.
As for the rest not sure why people would get so worked up over new players getting +3 implants that don't last beyond 35 days.
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Jojo Redana
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Posted - 2010.10.19 06:37:00 -
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I've been very very very very bored in EVE lately. In last month i have logged in maybe twice... I hope CCP will get more new players with this bs move.
I don't like the idea of this. Next year newbies get 10M Sp or? What's next?
Anyway. I have been an industrial-type player all my EVE life. I've been avoiding any PvP and griefing etc. Maybe it's time to change that... More new players, more targets to abuse.
Maybe this is what i need -- I'm lost in space |
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Shaalira D'arc
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Posted - 2010.10.19 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman I¦ll bet Helicity and friends have a box ready when rolling new toon for their f***fest next year. Nice to face a catalyst with + 20% damage when sitting in a Hulk.
Well played, CCP.
Further i bet this is only the first step. And i don¦t even want to think where it leads to....
/me outta here googeling "online spaceship games".
Do you think people would really play $45 to have a suicide catalyst that would be slightly more effective for a week or two? Instead of using one of the free slots in an existing account? Really?
Consider that you can easily get two PLEX's for that amount of money, which currently translates into over 700m isk. That would be sufficient for quite a number of smartbombing ships, which the last Hulkageddon winner used to win a silly amount of prize categories.
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Ditch Pig
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Posted - 2010.10.19 14:15:00 -
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I can hardly wait to by skill points with cash. Say 1 Million for 20 Dollars or something like that. With a limit of 5 Million a year maybe. I could level 5 some long skills.
Or even buy 10 Milion a year for 100 bucks, I'd like that too...
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.10.19 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Subscription canceled
Hooray !
so I take it you support this sort of thing yah? or are you just happy the game is losing its core. -----------
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kapatell
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Posted - 2010.11.20 19:34:00 -
[144]
Will soon have to find another game. EVE turns into L2.
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Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.11.20 19:46:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Ditch Pig I can hardly wait to by skill points with cash. Say 1 Million for 20 Dollars or something like that. With a limit of 5 Million a year maybe. I could level 5 some long skills.
Or even buy 10 Milion a year for 100 bucks, I'd like that too...
No, just no. If you want those last extra 5% efficiency/fancy ships you should have to spend the time training for it (and yes, I still have alot of long training to do)
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PeHD0M
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Posted - 2010.11.20 20:12:00 -
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The major problem of all major MMOs: the game gets older, more veteran players, newbies don't want to join the game, developers buff newbies more and more, veterans get frustrated and leave.
I don't like it. Exclusive +20% to damage implant, that can't be removed from player.
What next? Instant teleportation to desired location? Or maybe invulnerability for 60 days? How about instant enemy destruction "I win" button on your ibis for only 39.99$? Old DD on your titan for 26.99?
How low can you fall CPP?
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Feligast
Minmatar Intentionally Destructive
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Posted - 2010.11.20 20:17:00 -
[147]
So, to recap:
CCP adds bonus for extra price in boxed set A bunch of bittervets start screaming "Back in MY day, Sonny..." with general admonishments to get off their lawn. Others advise it's only 35 days, get over it old man, blah blah Vets threaten to ragequit, believing game will certainly collapse as soon as they cancel sub.
About right so far?
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Enuen Ravenseye
Amicus Morte Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.11.20 20:21:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Ditch Pig Or even buy 10 Million ... for 100 bucks, I'd like that too...
Hell, if that's their price point then I'll drop $2k and create God.
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Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari Atomic Zeppelins BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.11.20 20:26:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Jaari Val''Dara on 20/11/2010 20:27:18 I, for one, welcome our new newbie overlords.
I just don't see the problem with giving newbies a slight boost, as long as it will make at least single new player stay for good, I will call it a great success.
Bitter vets, you had years to gain SP, the few hundred thousand extra sp the newbies will gain won't change a thing.
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Medarr
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.11.20 20:32:00 -
[150]
Good for them newbies.. The sooner they get up to speed the sooner they can support part of your corperation. Win win situation for everyone to be honest.
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Damien Du'Pont
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Posted - 2010.11.20 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ditch Pig I can hardly wait to by skill points with cash. Say 1 Million for 20 Dollars or something like that. With a limit of 5 Million a year maybe. I could level 5 some long skills.
Or even buy 10 Milion a year for 100 bucks, I'd like that too...
And I bet a car salesman can sell you a clunker for $15K and you'll be all over it.
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Captain Mung
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Posted - 2010.11.20 21:45:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Ditch Pig I can hardly wait to by skill points with cash. Say 1 Million for 20 Dollars or something like that. With a limit of 5 Million a year maybe. I could level 5 some long skills.
Or even buy 10 Milion a year for 100 bucks, I'd like that too...
****ing TERRIBLE idea. I think you'd be better off getting back to finger painting and eating paste and leave coming up with the 'bright' ideas to people with a brain.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.11.20 22:11:00 -
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personally I think it would be much better if the newbies simply got granted the XP directly. First time the second they start with 500k ISK, then 7, 14 and 21 days later respectly with additional 500k, giving a total of 2 million XP. No implant. No BS, just plain xp. That way they get used to the ordinary training speed, and when they get the first newbie bonus installment they know more about the game.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.11.20 22:13:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Medarr Good for them newbies.. The sooner they get up to speed the sooner they can support part of your corperation. Win win situation for everyone to be honest.
SHUSH. You're doing it wrong. Not supposed to post logic that ego-manical opposers, like the alt necrobumper, can't counter with self diluted rants of entitlement in an MMO forum.
Bring on more newb buffs, I say. The start up curve with EVE is a bit too steep. The shiny feel that any good MMO brings wears thin too quickly on newbs when learning skills hit.
---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it- |
Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.20 22:40:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Feligast So, to recap:
CCP adds bonus for extra price in boxed set A bunch of bittervets start screaming "Back in MY day, Sonny..." with general admonishments to get off their lawn. Others advise it's only 35 days, get over it old man, blah blah some Vets/noobs/trolls/anal retentive ****s threaten to ragequit, believing game will certainly collapse as soon as they cancel sub.
About right so far?
fyp. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Zindela
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.11.20 22:41:00 -
[156]
Way to necro a dead/ended thread... the stupid dicussion was finally over, and you just HAD to bring it back, amirite? ------------------- "Do you know what the chain of command is here? It's the chain I get and beat you with until you understand who's in rutting command here!" -Jayne |
Feligast
Minmatar Intentionally Destructive
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Posted - 2010.11.20 22:42:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Feligast So, to recap:
CCP adds bonus for extra price in boxed set A bunch of bittervets start screaming "Back in MY day, Sonny..." with general admonishments to get off their lawn. Others advise it's only 35 days, get over it old man, blah blah some Vets/noobs/trolls/anal retentive ****s threaten to ragequit, believing game will certainly collapse as soon as they cancel sub.
About right so far?
fyp.
o7 Appreciated.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.11.20 23:33:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Feligast So, to recap:
CCP adds bonus for extra price in boxed set A bunch of bittervets start screaming "Back in MY day, Sonny..." with general admonishments to get off their lawn. Others advise it's only 35 days, get over it old man, blah blah some Vets/noobs/trolls/anal retentive ****s threaten to ragequit, believing game will certainly collapse as soon as they cancel sub.
About right so far?
fyp.
o7 Appreciated.
o7 you're welcome, good sir. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Boinz
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Posted - 2010.11.22 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: ForumWarrior It's a set of +3 implants that auto-destroy after 35 days, with a 20%damage/RoF bonus.
I dislike it too, but not for the "OMG CASHSHOP" reasons people like to kneejerk here.
I mainly think it's a bad idea because, at 36 days, a genu-newb is suddenly going to be training less than half the speed he was, with significantly reduced firepower.
Which, in my world, spells sudden frustration with the game as it really is.
Any new player with half a brain will get implants (+2 or +3) and voila the cerebral accel, is pretty much replaced. You on the other hand are whining about the 100% bonus every new player gets when they start
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000Hunter000
Gallente Industrial Exploits
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Posted - 2010.11.22 12:29:00 -
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Heres a novel idea...
Why not just train the ffing learningskills allready! ________________________________________________
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Kira X
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.11.22 13:43:00 -
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you can have +3 implants and the cerebral accelerator simultaneously. so this is like double +3's off the get go.
mathematically speaking...35 days with the extra +3 will give you about 900k sp more than without it (and thats only if u do purely learning skills and max effeciency on everything you train).
if you really think 900k sp is that big of a deal then you got issues, sonny. since that extra sp is only once and never again. after the 35 days are up its back to normalcy, and the commissioned officer player is just like everyone else. so just chillax brah.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.11.22 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Medarr Good for them newbies.. The sooner they get up to speed the sooner they can support part of your corperation. Win win situation for everyone to be honest.
Quoted to bump the logic.
Originally by: Boinz
FakeEdit: However buying skill points for RLM is stupider than Jupiter and anyone who endorses it deserves a banning from the forums
Well actually that is already possible; well, you can not buy those SP's for a new character name, but it is still possible to buy SP's with real life money.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.22 14:31:00 -
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Quote: The Interbus Shuttle can be written off as a pointless peice of promotional garbage. But a significant boost to training time is going to far.
My second toon got a significant boost to training time compared to my first. I was so ****ed that I quit the game.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.11.22 14:39:00 -
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the second a newb can buy his way into 7 years worth of traditional skill piont progession is the day i stop playing.
didnt get this far to have the rules changed and idiots with spare cash to trump dedicated PLAYERS.
I caps players because we play this game we dont attend it, i played for my skills with patience and time it would ruin eve completly if that were to change.
my 2 cents.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.11.22 14:52:00 -
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Get more skillpoints for real money, well in that case they should remove plex as theres nothing stopping a person buying a plex for rl cash selling it for ISK and buying +5 implants.
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Cinnamon Candy
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Posted - 2010.11.22 15:02:00 -
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This entire thread is pointless because it was started from a false premise.
No one is getting more skill points they are only getting them faster.
All skill points are availuable to everyone.
BOOSH
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.11.22 15:13:00 -
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/needs moar popcorn
Syn Callibri 21st Eridani Light Horse Commander - Fleet Ops
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.11.22 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: ForumWarrior I mainly think it's a bad idea because, at 36 days, a genu-newb is suddenly going to be training less than half the speed he was, with significantly reduced firepower.
Which, in my world, spells sudden frustration with the game as it really is.
AGREED - As it is, its takes a while to learn how your weapons work against other ships - messing with that learning curve is just silly. Really bad strategy IMHO. =========================
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2010.11.22 15:42:00 -
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Honestly, Id be fine if we got rid of skills all together. I would rather play the player than their skillsheet.
(70 mil sp here, just FYI)
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Gravemind GER
Caldari Swords OF TYR Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.11.22 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Gravemind GER on 22/11/2010 17:11:45 Cry some more Babies. You guys are Semi/Adult? nevermind....
Linkage
CCP Released a New Dev Blog about this.... go read it carefully!
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Qarth
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Posted - 2010.11.22 17:13:00 -
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I like the idea, but CCP needs to give the noobs a little guidance on how to use that accelerated SP gain.
You throw them in there and they will train mainly all the wrong things and waste their time. Show them what the core skills are before cutting them lose. Get them a good char, not a hodgepodge of useless crap that will take them months and months more of training to make useful.
CCP, give them some guidance on what they should be training to become useful pilots.
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Antithetos
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Posted - 2010.11.22 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Antithetos on 22/11/2010 17:29:12
Originally by: Settledown Yanka***** omg newbies gunna be in a battlecruiser before i can fly my titan NO FAIR
what gaem shud plaey neckst?
amidoinitright?
doinitright.
Originally by: Lu Hsun
Confirmed : I'm going to push the limits of exaggeration by stating that a set of +3 implants for a month is going "too far" in a game that takes years to even reach a level that can be barely considered "high".
OP, please remove yourself from the interwebs.
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Antithetos
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Posted - 2010.11.22 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter the second a newb can buy his way into 7 years worth of traditional skill piont progession is the day i stop playing.
Easy there Captain Spock, your hard-earned empire of knowledge can stand strong against the unspeakable evil of a few basic implants with an expiration date.
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Arakash Mond
Amarr Kings In The Back Row
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Posted - 2010.11.22 20:41:00 -
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If CCP were to give all new accounts max skill points and 80,000,000,000.00 ISK at character creation would that be enough to keep these mysterious new players who keep leaving because of learning skills? Vets just think of all the newbs whose titans you could blow up with your impairors. Its a win-win- tie-win -loss- win situation. I would like to see the cost benefit analysis of just such a move though. Would the influx of the level 80 in two weeks crowd be enough to offset the exodus of players like me. If it makes financial sense why not do it?
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Commander Ulrich
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:07:00 -
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Amazing, give some new players a whole +3 implant for a whole 35 days, during which time they will train useless skills will destroy EvE for ever !
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