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Carebear Collector
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Posted - 2010.10.22 21:01:00 -
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INCOMING DRAKE NERF
drake bound to hit hard as ccp states they do not want missiles in pvp, per thread.
should i train to minmitar hurricane or amarr harbinger?
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.22 21:07:00 -
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Chicken little much? Quoted in the post just a few above your latest in that thread:
 Originally by: CCP Chronotis
As stated in earlier responses which I see some of you skipped(!), we would never nerf the drake because it used missiles and missiles cause additional load, that would be nonsensical indeed as many note.
Don't want missiles in PVP. Mmm hmm.
The likeliest nerf I saw in that thread is that they'd lengthen he Drake's shield recharge rate for a second time. That seems minor, and more of a nerf to carebears, but I also don't feel any non-Angel ships need nerfing at this point...CCP's attention seems to be in the wrong place.
I'll believe it when I see it on Sisi...
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Meeko Atari
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Posted - 2010.10.22 21:10:00 -
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Apparently they just want Ammar in 0.0
Lasers and Armor...
Train Ammar if you don't want to be nerfed by CCP, They seem to ignore Balance issues when Ammar are concerned
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SPACESHIPS LAWYER
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Posted - 2010.10.22 21:11:00 -
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Spacechips Lawyer here with expert analysis.
In legal terms when CCP says something is on the table or being reviewed it means minds are already made up. Indeed, looking forward to this.
Drake should get the following:
 Remove resist bonus and heavy/ham missile bonuses
Change weapons slot to 5 turret, 2 launcher
5% bonus to rocket dmg per level
Add one utility high slot and one low slot, remove 2 mid slots
Now we have a fair BC platform for caldari.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.22 21:46:00 -
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They would hardly boost rockets if they didn't want missiles in PVP.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2010.10.22 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Carebear Collector
should i train to minmitar hurricane or amarr harbinger?
Drake.
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Steve Ni'Wangchong
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Posted - 2010.10.22 22:38:00 -
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My feeling is they'll re-touch the shields in a patch or two that makes active tanking more attractive. Wouldn't hurt it massively, but it would certainly make using all those free mids for ewar/tackle (such as at present, fleet drakes with 3 TPs, mutli-web tackle-killers, etc.) after the mandatory 2-3 slots of tank.
How it really ends up is anyone's guess. CCP is not exactly tip-top at the moment so i'm holding my breath and hoping this isn't touched for at least a few months.
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ShadowFire15
BOAE INC
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Posted - 2010.10.22 22:45:00 -
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could someone link the dev blog that supposedly says drakes are getting nerfed please. i have to see it for myself.
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Posted - 2010.10.22 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Meeko Atari
Apparently they just want Ammar in 0.0
Lasers and Armor...
Train Ammar if you don't want to be nerfed by CCP, They seem to ignore Balance issues when Ammar are concerned
Lol mate, are you butthurt? Please try to fly Amarr in 0.0 with basically everything Cruiser sized being Shield gang (no ppl don't fly armor hac 24/7).
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Psiri
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Posted - 2010.10.23 00:00:00 -
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I have everything to gain from a Drake nerf but I'd be upset if CCP nerfed it. Blobbers are just going to replace it with something just as boring and Caldari pilots can't afford to lose one of their few viable solo PvP ships.
We all know CCP doesn't care about solo PvP, but still, I hope they don't do something stupid.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.10.23 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Psiri
I have everything to gain from a Drake nerf but I'd be upset if CCP nerfed it. Blobbers are just going to replace it with something just as boring and Caldari pilots can't afford to lose one of their few viable solo PvP ships.
We all know CCP doesn't care about solo PvP, but still, I hope they don't do something stupid.
It wont be stupid from their point of view. They damn sure are not nerfing it for BALANCE, but to eliminate missile spam. Their goal is to get people to stop using it. The problem here is that the Drake (and entire BC line) is already very well balanced, so the only way to get people to stop using it is to break it.
The OP's question is a great one. If CCP does not want people to use missile boats for PvP, then what is a good race to cross train into.
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Herrring
Amarr
BLAHss
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Posted - 2010.10.23 01:24:00 -
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wait CCP is really nerfing drakes because it causes lag?
Is this for real? lol
If it is real, where is the dev post regarding this.
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Pinky Starstrider
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Posted - 2010.10.23 01:30:00 -
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Missle spam is easy to fix, and would likely be more welcome than a nerf on on of the most popular PVE ships, and current FOTM. Just get rid of missile flight time and make the damage instant, tack the flight time onto launcher duration and call it a day. I made a post last night when it popped into my head that DPS could remain unchanged with missiles becoming instant damage like turrets.
Basically
Base Duration + Distance/Missile Velocity = Launcher Duration.
ex. 10s (Bd) + 70K(D)/5K(Mv) = 24 MLd
this cuts out missiles needing to be tracked an keeps the DPS equal to what it was before, as you get closer the rate of fire increases (as in the current state missiles take less time to reach target).
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.23 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring
If it is real, where is the dev post regarding this.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1394389
I'm just going to cut the choice bits out.
"It is a hot topic internally as the number of drakes present in fleet fights is rising dramatically in the last six months and with this behaviour change we are witnessing a large impact on performance as the missile usage causes high additional load."
"We aren't saying the ship on its own is overpowered beyond the fact it doesn't have to choose as much as the others its fitting. When put in that blob scenario is is very powerful and unfortunately causes far greater load than would be ideal."
"We would definitely not nerf it because missiles caused load. That is a side effect on its own."
Make of it what you will.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.10.23 02:13:00 -
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Note too that reducing lag was also one of the stated reasons behind part of the rocket fix.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.10.23 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers
Note too that reducing lag was also one of the stated reasons behind part of the rocket fix.
And that makes sense in light of the 25% ROF reduction... but if it were just about fixing lag they wouldn't have bothered fixing anything else (like the Hawk).
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.10.23 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: OT Smithers
Note too that reducing lag was also one of the stated reasons behind part of the rocket fix.
And that makes sense in light of the 25% ROF reduction... but if it were just about fixing lag they wouldn't have bothered fixing anything else (like the Hawk).
-Liang
Clearly. One could say that the best way to fix rocket lag would be to leave them broken.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.23 15:17:00 -
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It would make more sense to nerf drones (again) as EVERYONE uses those and drone spam is da debil, eh?
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Blas Phemy
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Posted - 2010.10.23 15:35:00 -
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comon I want to see tears!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.23 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 23/10/2010 15:45:08
Originally by: Mfume Apocal
Originally by: Herrring
If it is real, where is the dev post regarding this.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1394389
"We would definitely not nerf it because missiles caused load. That is a side effect on its own."
In other words, no. It's not real.
Originally by: OT Smithers
The OP's question is a great one. If CCP does not want people to use missile boats for PvP, then what is a good race to cross train into.
Not really. The OP's question is nonsensical. Sure, if CCP didn't not want people to use missile boats for PvP, you might to want to look for something. But since they do, you don't.
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icecooljon
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.23 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: icecooljon on 23/10/2010 16:23:20
Originally by: SPACESHIPS LAWYER
Spacechips Lawyer here with expert analysis.
In legal terms when CCP says something is on the table or being reviewed it means minds are already made up. Indeed, looking forward to this.
Drake should get the following:
Remove resist bonus and heavy/ham missile bonuses
Change weapons slot to 5 turret, 2 launcher
5% bonus to rocket dmg per level
Add one utility high slot and one low slot, remove 2 mid slots
Now we have a fair BC platform for caldari.
What the hell are you thinking!
A well fit PVP drake is totally balanced, if you think its a solo pwnmobile you need to rethink your fittings!
I fly a drake doing and what your suggesting would ruin the entire thing and to be honest would ruin my game since its one of my favourite ships and Im skilled towards it.
" Change weapons slot to 5 turret, 2 launcher"
Screw you.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.23 16:55:00 -
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Ahh read the post and understand now. The lag is keeping the cap up in fleet fights and missiles can hit for full damage at that speed.
Thats a server exploit not a balance issue. If they nerf a ship because of server lag I'll seriously consider letting all my subs run out. I can put up with a lot of **** but that is ridiculous.
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Ximano
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Posted - 2010.10.23 17:54:00 -
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CCP will never nerf second most used ship in the game. Never.
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.10.23 18:52:00 -
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CCP is going to nerf everything you love, then come to your house and nerf your RL too. Nerf Nerf Nerf!
Lets start fear mongering even MOAR. MOAR threads! 
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Posted - 2010.10.23 19:13:00 -
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Quote:
What the hell are you thinking! A well fit PVP drake is totally balanced, if you think its a solo pwnmobile you need to rethink your fittings! I fly a drake doing and what your suggesting would ruin the entire thing and to be honest would ruin my game since its one of my favourite ships and Im skilled towards it. "Arrow Change weapons slot to 5 turret, 2 launcher" Screw you.
How did I know someone would fall for this troll...
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I likegirls
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.23 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: SPACESHIPS LAWYER
Spacechips Lawyer here with expert analysis.
In legal terms when CCP says something is on the table or being reviewed it means minds are already made up. Indeed, looking forward to this.
Drake should get the following:
Remove resist bonus and heavy/ham missile bonuses
Change weapons slot to 5 turret, 2 launcher
5% bonus to rocket dmg per level
Add one utility high slot and one low slot, remove 2 mid slots
Now we have a fair BC platform for caldari.
Apparently spaceships lawyers don't need to be smart.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2010.10.23 21:30:00 -
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what was seen from people with some sense of vision is, the drake was getting a nerf sooner or later.
now I don't mind a nerf that would make the ship still ok.
but knowing CCP, they will pretty much drop a sledgehammer on it.
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Captain Sweatervest
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Posted - 2010.10.23 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
what was seen from people with some sense of vision is, the drake was getting a nerf sooner or later.
now I don't mind a nerf that would make the ship still ok.
but knowing CCP, they will pretty much drop a sledgehammer on it.
Needs more bitter and butthurt gallente spice (A brutix reference would have made it perfect). Otherwise 9/10 for feigned remorse.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.10.23 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Sweatervest
Needs more bitter and butthurt gallente spice (A brutix reference would have made it perfect). Otherwise 9/10 for feigned remorse.
daww... you butthurt?
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2010.10.23 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ximano
CCP will never nerf second most used ship in the game. Never.
It's getting nerfed and nerfed hard. Yeah, it sucks, it's ridiculous, whatever -- CCP does not want missile boats in fleet PvP. If you fly Caldari about all you can hope is that CCP will come up with a way to make your ships good solo while leaving them lacking in fleets -- or, the opposite of what they are today.
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